date:20130906

I'll second that in the Bilsteins. You don't want the HD ones, as they are 
valves a LOT stiffer than the stock shocks and will have you feeling every 
little pebble in the road.

Dan

On Sep 5, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:

 They are OEM I believe, and the touring ones are the ones you want.  The HD 
 will beat you to death, I made that mistake in the Volvo.
 
 Should last another 200,000 miles, too.
 
 Bilsteins are also good.
 
 DO NOT use KYB!
 
 Peter
 
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Re: [MBZ] Pigtail for Mono valve

2013-09-06 Thread Mike Esh


Thanks Gary!


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On Sep 05, 2013, at 08:58 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:


oh, man, i'll check to see if jono has one around that he is ok with
sending for free/cheap


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Michael Esh michael...@mac.com wrote:


1984 Mercedes 300D
Does anyone have the 2 pin connector that attaches to the mono valve? I
will gladly pay a reasonable price and any shipping costs if anyone could
send me one.
As many of you know I have the 300D back on the road after a long battle
with the injection pump(s). Almost as soon as it hit the road the AC would
not blow ice cold and the 2 year old Behr compressor took a dump. I
purchased a new compressor, dryer, and valve from Gary and replaced them
yesterday. it seemed to be working great except I could not get any ice
cold air through the vents. Turns out one of the wires broke off the
connector on the mono valve and I was getting full heat all the time. I
temporarily clamped the offending wire in place and like magic I had ice
cold air. With the mystery solved I came home after work today intending
to solder the wire back on the connector. I readied my tools and solder,
pulled the plug apart and attempted to remove the offending connector. As
soon as turned it over in my hand the connector fell out and lodged
somewhere in the engine bay presumably in a place from which it will return
only after I have the replacement. I looked high, low, upside down and
sideways for the connector for over 30 minutes without success. It being
aluminum, my magnet on a stick was no help. So, if anyone can help me out
with the entire pigtail, a connector or a suggestion for a fix I would
appreciate it.
Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [MBZ] Pigtail for Mono valve

2013-09-06 Thread Mike Esh


Thanks Wilton!  I will give that a try.  My first thought was, Why do I have to use 
an American made vacuum?

Mike

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Have ya tried a domestic vacuum hose down in the cracks and crevices?

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: Michael Esh michael...@mac.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 8:21 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Pigtail for Mono valve



1984 Mercedes 300D
Does anyone have the 2 pin connector that attaches to the mono valve? I
will gladly pay a reasonable price and any shipping costs if anyone could
send me one.
As many of you know I have the 300D back on the road after a long battle
with the injection pump(s). Almost as soon as it hit the road the AC
would not blow ice cold and the 2 year old Behr compressor took a dump. I
purchased a new compressor, dryer, and valve from Gary and replaced them
yesterday. it seemed to be working great except I could not get any ice
cold air through the vents. Turns out one of the wires broke off the
connector on the mono valve and I was getting full heat all the time. I
temporarily clamped the offending wire in place and like magic I had ice
cold air. With the mystery solved I came home after work today intending
to solder the wire back on the connector. I readied my tools and solder,
pulled the plug apart and attempted to remove the offending connector. As
soon as turned it over in my hand the connector fell out and lodged
somewhere in the engine bay presumably in a place from which it will
return only after I have the replacement. I looked high, low, upside down
and sideways for the connector for over 30 minutes without success. It
being aluminum, my magnet on a stick was no help. So, if anyone can help
me out with the entire pigtail, a connector or a suggestion for a fix I
would appreciate it.
Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [MBZ] Front shocks for 300TD


Gary,
OK so how much are the Bilstein fronts? Not the soft ones but 
also not planning on offroad rally racing.


Though I wouldn't turn down the chance to drive a prepaired car 
over some of those roads in Sweden and Norway where they fly the 
cars.


Manfred


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:16:17 -0400
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

stock fronts are bilstein.  do not know off hand if those are oe quality or
not as they make it very difficult to understand just what they are selling



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Anyone know how good the Sachs-Boge super touring shocks for an 83 300TD
are?Also how rough is the ride or are they the stock shocks for the car?

Manfred





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Re: [MBZ] Pigtail for Mono valve

Ya don't; 'just trying to differentiate from the car's engine-produced or 
locking system vacuum.   ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Esh michael...@mac.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pigtail for Mono valve

Thanks Wilton!  I will give that a try.  My first thought was, Why do I 
have to use an American made vacuum?

Mike

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On Sep 05, 2013, at 09:04 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Have ya tried a domestic vacuum hose down in the cracks and crevices?

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: Michael Esh michael...@mac.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 8:21 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Pigtail for Mono valve

1984 Mercedes 300D
Does anyone have the 2 pin connector that attaches to the mono valve? I
will gladly pay a reasonable price and any shipping costs if anyone 
could

send me one.
As many of you know I have the 300D back on the road after a long battle
with the injection pump(s). Almost as soon as it hit the road the AC
would not blow ice cold and the 2 year old Behr compressor took a dump. 
I

purchased a new compressor, dryer, and valve from Gary and replaced them
yesterday. it seemed to be working great except I could not get any ice
cold air through the vents. Turns out one of the wires broke off the
connector on the mono valve and I was getting full heat all the time. I
temporarily clamped the offending wire in place and like magic I had ice
cold air. With the mystery solved I came home after work today intending
to solder the wire back on the connector. I readied my tools and solder,
pulled the plug apart and attempted to remove the offending connector. 
As

soon as turned it over in my hand the connector fell out and lodged
somewhere in the engine bay presumably in a place from which it will
return only after I have the replacement. I looked high, low, upside 
down

and sideways for the connector for over 30 minutes without success. It
being aluminum, my magnet on a stick was no help. So, if anyone can help
me out with the entire pigtail, a connector or a suggestion for a fix I
would appreciate it.
Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

Sadder part is that Mercedes, according to Tom 
Hansen at the Classic center, is no longer going 
to support or supply parts for a lot of the older 
cars once the stock on hand runs out. These 
include the w123, w124, w126  and at that point I 
forget the rest but there was a long list. The 
justification is that Mercedes does not consider 
them as classics as there were too many made. When 
they set the classic center up they were only 
thinking of the few more rare cars. Sports models 
and such.


Very sad,
Manfred


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:40:23 -0400
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com


This makes me sad. I want to get my 220D 
roadworthy again:(


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Gary Hurst 
jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:


  OEM parts have grown sparse.  i don't 
remember the specifics but i've often
  been surprised at what is and is not still 
available for the few 114/115

  customers that remain

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

4 inches seems more like it, but I don't remember.  'Last time I held/wore 
one was '81.

Wilton

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To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

My recollection is that it was a model 10 with 4 in barrel.  That was in
1968.  By then we were using M-16s (A nothing) pre burst limiter.

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 9:38 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Short barrel .38 cal revolver.  I was a NUCLEAR weapons expert, not a
FIREARMS expert, but the firearms instructors called 'em police 
specials.

Sometimes during our qualification exercises with the .38, we were advised
that it may be better to throw it at 'em and run rather than try to hit
anything with a bullet, or maybe the noise would scare 'em for a few
seconds.

Wilton

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From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

you've merged some names maybe on the .38.  my guess is you are talking
about a model 10 military  police, which is what goering wore. or are 
you

talking about a short barrel chief's special?

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:00 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

'Qualified expert with M1 carbine in 1957; thankfully, never touched
another.  Qualified expert with .38 cal S  W Police Special revolver
many
times; wore one many times when in personal possession of SIOP (Single
Integrated Operational Plans - emergency war orders, nuclear) and on
bombing missions to Vietnam.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Front shocks for 300TD

I agree on the KYB but I may need some. Isn't that the lube they 
use before.. Oh never mind this isn't banned is it.

Manfred

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 20:43:05 -0500
From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net

They are OEM I believe, and the touring ones are the ones you 
want.

The HD will beat you to death, I made that mistake in the Volvo.

Should last another 200,000 miles, too.

Bilsteins are also good.

DO NOT use KYB!

Peter

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[MBZ] W210 Third Brake Light Question

2013-09-06 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel

1) The one on my '97 ain't working.  Any suggestions?  I took the bulb out
and tested it, and it works fine.

2) The sliding cover, after 16 years in the Oklahoma sun, disintegrated
whilst I was taking it off.  Any suggestions as to where to find a
replacement cover?

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

I remember using one of those. Back in college a girlfriend and I 
took a shooting class at local range. Class was run by the local 
Miami cops. We used 22s but our instructor let me use his hold 
out as he called it. Told me I would be lucky to put one in the 
target at the 25 feet we were using. I put 5 out of 5 in a 10 
circle. Quite impressed the guy as he told me he had never done 
that. Maybe he was just being nice to a kid in front of his 
girlfriend.


Manfred


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:47:09 -0400
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

chief's special.  as in a real street cop wouldn't carry one, but 
the chief
might.  1 7/8 inch barrel if memory serves me.  i'm 3/4s blind 
and not
quite steady and i can hit someone regularly at 12 yards with 
that, so it

isn't quite that bad

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Re: [MBZ] Front shocks for 300TD

I remember getting a Bilstein steering damper a VW long time ago. 
It never went out as long as I had the truck.

Manfred

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 22:14:52 -0400
From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com

Sachs were OEM for same cars I think

But I'd go for Bilsteins.  I bought a set of Sachs for a 300SD 
once upon a

time and had one fail completely after an year or two.  Bounce bounce
bounce bounce bounce bounce...  After that, I only go with Bilstein.

Jaime

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Re: [MBZ] Front shocks for 300TD

Thanks Peter, That's a good reminder. I've seen so many over the 
years that are way too tight.

Manfred

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 22:27:56 -0500
From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net

Sachs/Boge and Bilstein are pretty much interchangeable and pretty
much the same quality (and price).  You should be fine with them.
Stay away from the cheap stuff, and when installing, only tighten 
the
top nut enough to take the free play out of the rubber, don't run 
them
down until you can't turn them any more.  Doing so will take all 
the

flex out of the rubber, and they become noisy and hard.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

If that is the case, why are they designating cars as classics?

IIRC, they just identified the W140 chassis as classic earlier this year.

I would think that with the volume of W123 and W124 models out there that third 
party parts suppliers are doing a good job keeping up with what is needed.

Dan

On Sep 6, 2013, at 9:10 AM, MG trainpain2...@aol.com wrote:

 Sadder part is that Mercedes, according to Tom Hansen at the Classic center, 
 is no longer going to support or supply parts for a lot of the older cars 
 once the stock on hand runs out. These include the w123, w124, w126  and at 
 that point I forget the rest but there was a long list. The justification is 
 that Mercedes does not consider them as classics as there were too many made. 
 When they set the classic center up they were only thinking of the few more 
 rare cars. Sports models and such.
 
 Very sad,
 Manfred
 
 
 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:40:23 -0400
 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 
 
 This makes me sad. I want to get my 220D roadworthy again:(
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   OEM parts have grown sparse.  i don't remember the specifics but i've 
   often
   been surprised at what is and is not still available for the few 114/115
   customers that remain
 
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[MBZ] AOL and the list

Anybody know why Kleb's list server doesn't play nice with AOL? 
Every individual message I get comes from Mercedes-bounce and 
then after a while I get cut off and have to turn it back on. 
When I use the digest version there aren't any problems.


Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] OIL needs to be discussed

I use Mobil 1 5w40 in everything except the 240D and my old Cub Cadet which get 
M1 15w50 as they both like the thicker oil better.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 22:21:33 -0400
From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OIL needs to be discussed
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

It matters for old Mercedes, unfortunately.

I've heard from several independents that valvetrains are suffering on
older cars, especially M116/7 V8s.

Now I just use this in 15w40 in all my old gas cars:
http://www.penngrade1.com/Products/Racing-Oils.aspx

And Rotella T in the diesels.

Jaime

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Actually there was a piece in the most recent Vintage Truck magazine
 about the lowered ZDDP levels.

 When the levels were first lowered the 2 camps that cried were old flat
 tappet folks (like the old truck crowd) and the high performance folks. The
 latter have all gone to diesel and motorcycle oils (and big money race
 oil). The old truck guys at least seem to have concluded that the oil
 available today, even with its lowered ZDDP levels is still so much better
 than the average oil of the '50s, '60s and '70s that it probably doesn't
 matter.

 It'd be interesting to know if that means anything for the Mercedes crowd.
 No flat tappets in '70s and later MB gassers I'd bet...

 -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Front shocks for 300TD

these would be the ones that are like original

http://www.buyeuroparts.com/item.wws?sku=W0133-1910413itempk=107655mfr=Bilsteinweight=3.70

stiffer ones are even more

http://www.buyeuroparts.com/item.wws?sku=W0133-1910414itempk=107530mfr=Bilsteinweight=3.95

bilstein has also changed their marketing terminology so both of these go
by the new B4 touring series (wtf?) but the top is what we knew for years
as comfort/standard and the bottom as HD


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 Gary,
 OK so how much are the Bilstein fronts? Not the soft ones but also not
 planning on offroad rally racing.

 Though I wouldn't turn down the chance to drive a prepaired car over some
 of those roads in Sweden and Norway where they fly the cars.

 Manfred

  Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:16:17 -0400
 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com


 stock fronts are bilstein.  do not know off hand if those are oe quality
 or
 not as they make it very difficult to understand just what they are
 selling



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  Anyone know how good the Sachs-Boge super touring shocks for an 83 300TD
 are?Also how rough is the ride or are they the stock shocks for the car?

 Manfred




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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

Atta boy, Wilton.

Bob R
On Sep 6, 2013 8:36 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

 Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Third Brake Light Question

I got a replacement unit from Rusty in about Jun of last year.

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] W210 Third Brake Light Question

1) The one on my '97 ain't working.  Any suggestions?  I took the bulb out
and tested it, and it works fine.

2) The sliding cover, after 16 years in the Oklahoma sun, disintegrated
whilst I was taking it off.  Any suggestions as to where to find a
replacement cover?

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] Bay Area powder coating shop suggestions

Let me do some digging. When I lived in San Bruno I had some guys there powder 
coat the manifolds for my 1970 250C and they did a really nice job.

Dan

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 Hello all,
 
 Does anyone on the list have a favourite powder coating shop in the SF Bay 
 Area?
 
 D. 
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[MBZ] 91 350SDL

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI

Everything I've read suggests that the M1 5w40 I'm using in my 190D should be 
just fine in the Jetta. I'll do analysis but I'm expecting 10k oil changes 
based on my mostly highway flogging.

Its very speedy compared to my 2.2l 190D. MB should have made a turbocharged 
4cyl...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 08:19:04 -0700
From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI
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You'll be pleased with the TDI. I had an '01 Beetle and I now have an '06
Jetta that I am about ready to have the third timing belt put in (at 161K
miles).

It probably goes without saying, but make absolutely sure you use the
correctly rated oil.

I've enjoyed both of the ones I've owned.

Bob R
On Sep 6, 2013 8:05 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 If the 240D was okay I wouldn't have bought the Jetta...

 Its back to square one, apparently the head was warped more than we
 thought. I got about 40 miles out of it after we replaced the head gasket
 before it was back to pushing coolant out again. I re-torqued the head and
 it was fine for 100 miles. I re-torqued again but it didn't help.

 Fred wants to pull the head again and have it machined. I'm pleased that
 the Jetta looks to require less work than I'd originally counted on
 (although the battery is expensive, about $150 which is the same as a grp
 49 for an MB and a 49 won't fit, which is terrible as I have a spare) so
 maybe...

 -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Third Brake Light Question

A new cover from the stealership is about $20.

Dan

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On Sep 6, 2013, at 11:42 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 I got a replacement unit from Rusty in about Jun of last year.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 9:18 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] W210 Third Brake Light Question
 
 
 1) The one on my '97 ain't working.  Any suggestions?  I took the bulb out
 and tested it, and it works fine.
 
 2) The sliding cover, after 16 years in the Oklahoma sun, disintegrated
 whilst I was taking it off.  Any suggestions as to where to find a
 replacement cover?
 
 -MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

I've never heard of it, but I don't see any reason why Irish breakfast
blend could not be flavored with bergamot.

I'd try blending your own, find the Irish breakfast blend you like the
best, and some Earl Grey, and use some of both to make a cup, Refine the
proportions, and you've got it.

I like my hot tea straight, not blended, but I like the iced teas better
blended. I'm drinking a 50/50 mixture of Darjeeling and Keemun iced tea
now. Love it. I also mix hibiscus with a cinnamon plum flavored black tea
to drink iced. Very refreshing in the heat.

I buy all my tea on-line. Loose tea in bulk is much better than powered tea
in bags from the mass markets.


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 On the issue of tea.. apparently there are some devoted tea drinkers here,
 so someone may know.

 Is there anywhere on the planet where I can buy Earl Gray Irish Breakfast
 Tea  ?  Last time I saw it sold was perhaps 2 decades ago and it was
 my absolute favorite.  The other Twinnings irish breakfast just are not the
 same as well as others calling themselves irish breakfast teas.

 Grant.




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safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775
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- Benjamin Franklin 1789
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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] ▶ Sikorsky S-38 at Lake Lucerne - YouTube


Looks like it must have some sort of water drive system as well.
It appeared to be moving on its own power before either of the aircraft 
engines fired up.


Randy


On 06/09/2013 11:17 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

bet he couldn't land it like that in lake lucerne near stone mountain!

and it's ok as long as you sober up by morning


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 2:33 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:


OBTWI posted at 2:19am...BUT I am not inebriated...simply on night
schedule during training...at least for the next 2 days.


On Sep 6, 2013, at 2:19 AM, Jon Agne wrote:


I want one of these!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9ERfeD-jCM






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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

2013-09-06 Thread Tim Crone

Me too! :) I hope I can keep it in as good shape as Wilton has for all
these years, it is a beautiful car to behold.  And it was a pleasure to
meet Wilton after all these years, as well.

On a more sober note, Wilton's oil analysis came back positive for coolant.
 Since it won't turn over now, is there any point in doing further
diagnostics to his engine?  Or should I just drop it into the old chassis
and let it add weight for the junkyard?

Thanks,
-Tim


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:47 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 ATTABOY to Tim, also; I wish him well with it.  I expect to see it tooling
 (cruising) around Chapel Hill soon.

 Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

2013-09-06 Thread Mitch Haley


Tim Crone wrote:

Me too! :) I hope I can keep it in as good shape as Wilton has for all
these years, it is a beautiful car to behold.  And it was a pleasure to
meet Wilton after all these years, as well.

On a more sober note, Wilton's oil analysis came back positive for coolant.
 Since it won't turn over now, is there any point in doing further
diagnostics to his engine?  Or should I just drop it into the old chassis
and let it add weight for the junkyard?


Probably needs a head gasket.
If you want to fix it, pull the head and see if #1 piston rises as far as the 
others, since it's a rodbender engine.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

Lipton is the way to go

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On Sep 6, 2013, at 11:31 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've never heard of it, but I don't see any reason why Irish breakfast
 blend could not be flavored with bergamot.
 
 I'd try blending your own, find the Irish breakfast blend you like the
 best, and some Earl Grey, and use some of both to make a cup, Refine the
 proportions, and you've got it.
 
 I like my hot tea straight, not blended, but I like the iced teas better
 blended. I'm drinking a 50/50 mixture of Darjeeling and Keemun iced tea
 now. Love it. I also mix hibiscus with a cinnamon plum flavored black tea
 to drink iced. Very refreshing in the heat.
 
 I buy all my tea on-line. Loose tea in bulk is much better than powered tea
 in bags from the mass markets.
 
 
 On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On the issue of tea.. apparently there are some devoted tea drinkers here,
 so someone may know.
 
 Is there anywhere on the planet where I can buy Earl Gray Irish Breakfast
 Tea  ?  Last time I saw it sold was perhaps 2 decades ago and it was
 my absolute favorite.  The other Twinnings irish breakfast just are not the
 same as well as others calling themselves irish breakfast teas.
 
 Grant.
 
 
 
 -- 
 OK Don
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 safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775
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 - Benjamin Franklin 1789
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 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

As I said before, pull the injectors real quick and see if it turns then. If it 
does pull the head and fix it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote:

 Me too! :) I hope I can keep it in as good shape as Wilton has for all
 these years, it is a beautiful car to behold.  And it was a pleasure to
 meet Wilton after all these years, as well.
 
 On a more sober note, Wilton's oil analysis came back positive for coolant.
 Since it won't turn over now, is there any point in doing further
 diagnostics to his engine?  Or should I just drop it into the old chassis
 and let it add weight for the junkyard?
 
 Thanks,
 -Tim
 
 
 On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:47 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
 ATTABOY to Tim, also; I wish him well with it.  I expect to see it tooling
 (cruising) around Chapel Hill soon.
 
 Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

2013-09-06 Thread Gerry Archer



From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com

On the issue of tea.. apparently there are some devoted tea drinkers here,
so someone may know.
Is there anywhere on the planet where I can buy Earl Gray Irish Breakfast
Tea  ?  Last time I saw it sold was perhaps 2 decades ago and it was
my absolute favorite.  The other Twinnings irish breakfast just are not 
the

same as well as others calling themselves irish breakfast teas.
Grant..


Local health food store used to have it.  Also, here's a link:

http://troisgtea.com/teaproducts_flavoredtea.html

Gerry 



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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

2013-09-06 Thread Rich Thomas

So this email showed up at 11:36 in my list according to my email 
thread, but other replies show it coming at 8:36 and 10:36, and the 
replies appeared before I got the email


--R

Atta boy, Wilton.

Bob R
On Sep 6, 2013 8:36 AM, WILTONwilt...@nc.rr.com  wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton
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ATTABOY

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On Sep 6, 2013, at 10:36 AM, WILTONwilt...@nc.rr.com  wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton



On 9/6/13 11:36 AM, WILTON wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI

If I had a 2004 or later I'd agree with you but I don't, its a '98, AHU engine, 
505.00 which apparently M1 5w40 still doesn't meet although its CI-4 Plus and 
ACEA E7/E5...


A little googling shows an interesting disagreement around the interwebs. 
Apparently although M1 5w40 doesn't meet 505.1 it might just be a failure of 
anybody to actually test it against 505.1. It seems some enthusiasts don't 
trust 5w30 to protect the cam and are using 5w40 because of its higher sheer 
strength. It'd be interesting to know why the 5w40 isn't 505.1

Any 505.1 5w40 oils are EXPENSIVE, like $10/qt...

-Curt


Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 09:48:30 -0700
From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

What I've read lately is that the only Mobile oil 505.01 rated is the ESP
Formula 5w30. I have used Moutl and Elf 505.01 rated oil just to be safe.

Bob R
On Sep 6, 2013 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Everything I've read suggests that the M1 5w40 I'm using in my 190D should
 be just fine in the Jetta. I'll do analysis but I'm expecting 10k oil
 changes based on my mostly highway flogging.

 Its very speedy compared to my 2.2l 190D. MB should have made a
 turbocharged 4cyl...

 -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


--- And Simon Willard tall case clock that I assembled.   ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



Right now, my computer shows 4:30 PM, same as my iPhone.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


So this email showed up at 11:36 in my list according to my email 
thread, but other replies show it coming at 8:36 and 10:36, and the 
replies appeared before I got the email


--R

Atta boy, Wilton.

Bob R
On Sep 6, 2013 8:36 AM, WILTONwilt...@nc.rr.com  wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton
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Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2013, at 10:36 AM, WILTONwilt...@nc.rr.com  wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton



On 9/6/13 11:36 AM, WILTON wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

2013-09-06 Thread Rich Thomas


What is your source of tea when you order it?

I too recall having some other kind of Earl Grey, maybe it was green EG 
or something, and it was good, but I never found it again and can't 
remember where I got it.


--R


On 9/6/13 12:31 PM, OK Don wrote:

I've never heard of it, but I don't see any reason why Irish breakfast
blend could not be flavored with bergamot.

I'd try blending your own, find the Irish breakfast blend you like the
best, and some Earl Grey, and use some of both to make a cup, Refine the
proportions, and you've got it.

I like my hot tea straight, not blended, but I like the iced teas better
blended. I'm drinking a 50/50 mixture of Darjeeling and Keemun iced tea
now. Love it. I also mix hibiscus with a cinnamon plum flavored black tea
to drink iced. Very refreshing in the heat.

I buy all my tea on-line. Loose tea in bulk is much better than powered tea
in bags from the mass markets.


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:


On the issue of tea.. apparently there are some devoted tea drinkers here,
so someone may know.

Is there anywhere on the planet where I can buy Earl Gray Irish Breakfast
Tea  ?  Last time I saw it sold was perhaps 2 decades ago and it was
my absolute favorite.  The other Twinnings irish breakfast just are not the
same as well as others calling themselves irish breakfast teas.

Grant.







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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


Right now, my computer shows 4:30 PM, same as my iPhone.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


So this email showed up at 11:36 in my list according to my email 
thread, but other replies show it coming at 8:36 and 10:36, and the 
replies appeared before I got the email


--R

Atta boy, Wilton.

Bob R
On Sep 6, 2013 8:36 AM, WILTONwilt...@nc.rr.com  wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton
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Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2013, at 10:36 AM, WILTONwilt...@nc.rr.com  wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton



On 9/6/13 11:36 AM, WILTON wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

Stu, Hank et al

On 06/09/2013 4:21 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

dickarde was a BIG fan of indian teas but i found his recommendations to be
pretty harsh. it could have just been that he was putting me into these
really strong assam's but i haven't looked at indian tea since. for those
of us who have been extendedly pretty much out of the loop, which is the
other list:?

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

There is an Indian fellow on the other list that has been importing and
selling tea directly from India.
You might wish to check him out.

Randy

On 06/09/2013 4:02 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

the best places i've ever seen to buy tea are large asian supermarkets
such
as H-mart

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net
wrote:

What is your source of tea when you order it?

I too recall having some other kind of Earl Grey, maybe it was green EG
or
something, and it was good, but I never found it again and can't remember
where I got it.

--R

On 9/6/13 12:31 PM, OK Don wrote:

I've never heard of it, but I don't see any reason why Irish breakfast

blend could not be flavored with bergamot.

I'd try blending your own, find the Irish breakfast blend you like the
best, and some Earl Grey, and use some of both to make a cup, Refine the
proportions, and you've got it.

I like my hot tea straight, not blended, but I like the iced teas better
blended. I'm drinking a 50/50 mixture of Darjeeling and Keemun iced tea
now. Love it. I also mix hibiscus with a cinnamon plum flavored black
tea
to drink iced. Very refreshing in the heat.

I buy all my tea on-line. Loose tea in bulk is much better than powered
tea
in bags from the mass markets.

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

On the issue of tea.. apparently there are some devoted tea drinkers

here,
so someone may know.

Is there anywhere on the planet where I can buy Earl Gray Irish
Breakfast
Tea ? Last time I saw it sold was perhaps 2 decades ago and it
was
my absolute favorite. The other Twinnings irish breakfast just are not
the
same as well as others calling themselves irish breakfast teas.

Grant.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

do you know that this list exists because stu's assistant threw me off his
list like 15 years ago?

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

Stu, Hank et al

On 06/09/2013 4:21 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

dickarde was a BIG fan of indian teas but i found his recommendations to
be
pretty harsh. it could have just been that he was putting me into these
really strong assam's but i haven't looked at indian tea since. for those
of us who have been extendedly pretty much out of the loop, which is the
other list:?

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
wrote:

There is an Indian fellow on the other list that has been importing and
selling tea directly from India.
You might wish to check him out.

Randy

On 06/09/2013 4:02 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

the best places i've ever seen to buy tea are large asian supermarkets
such
as H-mart

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79TD300@**constructi**vity.net http://constructivity.net
richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net

wrote:

What is your source of tea when you order it?

I too recall having some other kind of Earl Grey, maybe it was green EG
or
something, and it was good, but I never found it again and can't
remember
where I got it.

--R

On 9/6/13 12:31 PM, OK Don wrote:

I've never heard of it, but I don't see any reason why Irish
breakfast

blend could not be flavored with bergamot.

I'd try blending your own, find the Irish breakfast blend you like the
best, and some Earl Grey, and use some of both to make a cup, Refine
the
proportions, and you've got it.

I like my hot tea straight, not blended, but I like the iced teas
better
blended. I'm drinking a 50/50 mixture of Darjeeling and Keemun iced
tea
now. Love it. I also mix hibiscus with a cinnamon plum flavored black
tea
to drink iced. Very refreshing in the heat.

I buy all my tea on-line. Loose tea in bulk is much better than
powered
tea
in bags from the mass markets.

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

On the issue of tea.. apparently there are some devoted tea
drinkers

here,
so someone may know.

Is there anywhere on the planet where I can buy Earl Gray Irish
Breakfast
Tea ? Last time I saw it sold was perhaps 2 decades ago and it
was
my absolute favorite. The other Twinnings irish breakfast just are
not
the
same as well as others calling themselves irish breakfast teas.

Grant.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

Sujit?

Dan

On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:18 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 There is an Indian fellow on the other list that has been importing and 
 selling tea directly from India.
 You might wish to check him out.
 
 Randy
 
 
 On 06/09/2013 4:02 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
 the best places i've ever seen to buy tea are large asian supermarkets such
 as H-mart
 
 
 On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 
 What is your source of tea when you order it?
 
 I too recall having some other kind of Earl Grey, maybe it was green EG or
 something, and it was good, but I never found it again and can't remember
 where I got it.
 
 --R
 
 
 
 On 9/6/13 12:31 PM, OK Don wrote:
 
 I've never heard of it, but I don't see any reason why Irish breakfast
 blend could not be flavored with bergamot.
 
 I'd try blending your own, find the Irish breakfast blend you like the
 best, and some Earl Grey, and use some of both to make a cup, Refine the
 proportions, and you've got it.
 
 I like my hot tea straight, not blended, but I like the iced teas better
 blended. I'm drinking a 50/50 mixture of Darjeeling and Keemun iced tea
 now. Love it. I also mix hibiscus with a cinnamon plum flavored black tea
 to drink iced. Very refreshing in the heat.
 
 I buy all my tea on-line. Loose tea in bulk is much better than powered
 tea
 in bags from the mass markets.
 
 
 On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On the issue of tea.. apparently there are some devoted tea drinkers
 here,
 so someone may know.
 
 Is there anywhere on the planet where I can buy Earl Gray Irish
 Breakfast
 Tea  ?  Last time I saw it sold was perhaps 2 decades ago and it was
 my absolute favorite.  The other Twinnings irish breakfast just are not
 the
 same as well as others calling themselves irish breakfast teas.
 
 Grant.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

did you just sneeze?


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 Sujit?

 Dan

 On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:18 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

  There is an Indian fellow on the other list that has been importing
 and selling tea directly from India.
  You might wish to check him out.
 
  Randy
 
 
  On 06/09/2013 4:02 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
  the best places i've ever seen to buy tea are large asian supermarkets
 such
  as H-mart
 
 
  On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Rich Thomas 
  richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 
  What is your source of tea when you order it?
 
  I too recall having some other kind of Earl Grey, maybe it was green
 EG or
  something, and it was good, but I never found it again and can't
 remember
  where I got it.
 
  --R
 
 
 
  On 9/6/13 12:31 PM, OK Don wrote:
 
  I've never heard of it, but I don't see any reason why Irish breakfast
  blend could not be flavored with bergamot.
 
  I'd try blending your own, find the Irish breakfast blend you like the
  best, and some Earl Grey, and use some of both to make a cup, Refine
 the
  proportions, and you've got it.
 
  I like my hot tea straight, not blended, but I like the iced teas
 better
  blended. I'm drinking a 50/50 mixture of Darjeeling and Keemun iced
 tea
  now. Love it. I also mix hibiscus with a cinnamon plum flavored black
 tea
  to drink iced. Very refreshing in the heat.
 
  I buy all my tea on-line. Loose tea in bulk is much better than
 powered
  tea
  in bags from the mass markets.
 
 
  On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   On the issue of tea.. apparently there are some devoted tea drinkers
  here,
  so someone may know.
 
  Is there anywhere on the planet where I can buy Earl Gray Irish
  Breakfast
  Tea  ?  Last time I saw it sold was perhaps 2 decades ago and
 it was
  my absolute favorite.  The other Twinnings irish breakfast just are
 not
  the
  same as well as others calling themselves irish breakfast teas.
 
  Grant.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

The crispy pancake list.

Dan

On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:28 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

Stu, Hank et al

On 06/09/2013 4:21 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
dickarde was a BIG fan of indian teas but i found his recommendations to be
pretty harsh. it could have just been that he was putting me into these
really strong assam's but i haven't looked at indian tea since. for those
of us who have been extendedly pretty much out of the loop, which is the
other list:?

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

There is an Indian fellow on the other list that has been importing and
selling tea directly from India.
You might wish to check him out.

Randy

On 06/09/2013 4:02 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

the best places i've ever seen to buy tea are large asian supermarkets
such
as H-mart

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net
wrote:

What is your source of tea when you order it?
I too recall having some other kind of Earl Grey, maybe it was green EG
or
something, and it was good, but I never found it again and can't remember
where I got it.

--R

On 9/6/13 12:31 PM, OK Don wrote:

I've never heard of it, but I don't see any reason why Irish breakfast
blend could not be flavored with bergamot.

I'd try blending your own, find the Irish breakfast blend you like the
best, and some Earl Grey, and use some of both to make a cup, Refine the
proportions, and you've got it.

I buy all my tea on-line. Loose tea in bulk is much better than powered
tea
in bags from the mass markets.

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

On the issue of tea.. apparently there are some devoted tea drinkers

here,
so someone may know.

Grant.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

You were a founding member like me. Only at the time I was banned from the
MBCA and not from the Hilter list (yet).

Dan who still has numerous alter egos that enjoy crispy pancakes

On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

do you know that this list exists because stu's assistant threw me off his
list like 15 years ago?

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

Stu, Hank et al

On 06/09/2013 4:21 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

dickarde was a BIG fan of indian teas but i found his recommendations to
be
pretty harsh. it could have just been that he was putting me into these
really strong assam's but i haven't looked at indian tea since. for those
of us who have been extendedly pretty much out of the loop, which is the
other list:?

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
wrote:

There is an Indian fellow on the other list that has been importing and
selling tea directly from India.
You might wish to check him out.

Randy

On 06/09/2013 4:02 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

the best places i've ever seen to buy tea are large asian supermarkets
such
as H-mart

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79TD300@**constructi**vity.net http://constructivity.net
richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net

wrote:

What is your source of tea when you order it?

I too recall having some other kind of Earl Grey, maybe it was green EG
or
something, and it was good, but I never found it again and can't
remember
where I got it.

--R

On 9/6/13 12:31 PM, OK Don wrote:

I've never heard of it, but I don't see any reason why Irish
breakfast

blend could not be flavored with bergamot.

I'd try blending your own, find the Irish breakfast blend you like the
best, and some Earl Grey, and use some of both to make a cup, Refine
the
proportions, and you've got it.

I like my hot tea straight, not blended, but I like the iced teas
better
blended. I'm drinking a 50/50 mixture of Darjeeling and Keemun iced
tea
now. Love it. I also mix hibiscus with a cinnamon plum flavored black
tea
to drink iced. Very refreshing in the heat.

I buy all my tea on-line. Loose tea in bulk is much better than
powered
tea
in bags from the mass markets.

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

On the issue of tea.. apparently there are some devoted tea
drinkers

here,
so someone may know.

Is there anywhere on the planet where I can buy Earl Gray Irish
Breakfast
Tea ? Last time I saw it sold was perhaps 2 decades ago and it
was
my absolute favorite. The other Twinnings irish breakfast just are
not
the
same as well as others calling themselves irish breakfast teas.

Grant.

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

Happens to me all the time. I start reading the oldest emails first, and
frequently read the replies before I get to the original post, especially
if the subject has changed.

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 So this email showed up at 11:36 in my list according to my email thread,
 but other replies show it coming at 8:36 and 10:36, and the replies
 appeared before I got the email

 --R





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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

I buy from www.enjoyingtea.com, www.adagio.com, www.coffeeam.com, and
www.sfherb.com, and others that I've forgotten.
I had some Earl Greyer tea once - double the bergamot - that was good.

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 What is your source of tea when you order it?

 I too recall having some other kind of Earl Grey, maybe it was green EG or
 something, and it was good, but I never found it again and can't remember
 where I got it.

 --R






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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

2013-09-06 Thread Russ Williams


This what you looking of Rich?
http://www.redstickspice.com/collections/teas-2/products/earl-grey-green

On 9/6/2013 15:30, Rich Thomas wrote:

What is your source of tea when you order it?

I too recall having some other kind of Earl Grey, maybe it was green 
EG or something, and it was good, but I never found it again and can't 
remember where I got it.


--R


On 9/6/13 12:31 PM, OK Don wrote:

I've never heard of it, but I don't see any reason why Irish breakfast
blend could not be flavored with bergamot.

I'd try blending your own, find the Irish breakfast blend you like the
best, and some Earl Grey, and use some of both to make a cup, Refine the
proportions, and you've got it.

I like my hot tea straight, not blended, but I like the iced teas better
blended. I'm drinking a 50/50 mixture of Darjeeling and Keemun iced tea
now. Love it. I also mix hibiscus with a cinnamon plum flavored black 
tea

to drink iced. Very refreshing in the heat.

I buy all my tea on-line. Loose tea in bulk is much better than 
powered tea

in bags from the mass markets.


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

On the issue of tea.. apparently there are some devoted tea drinkers 
here,

so someone may know.

Is there anywhere on the planet where I can buy Earl Gray Irish 
Breakfast
Tea  ?  Last time I saw it sold was perhaps 2 decades ago and 
it was
my absolute favorite.  The other Twinnings irish breakfast just are 
not the

same as well as others calling themselves irish breakfast teas.

Grant.







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Re: [MBZ] Ok, now HERE is the car

Heres a tip for the future, if the belt is missing the AC is broken, its that 
simple. If it worked they'd put a belt on it, its the easiest (or second 
easiest, I forget) belt...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 15:53:54 -0400
From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ok, now HERE is the car
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I bought a 300D where I couldn't test the AC becuase the belt was broken
(missing).  Guess what?  It also needed a new compressor, which the POS PO
probably knew but didn't disclose to me.  He probably severed and removed
the belt to provide a pretext..
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Re: [MBZ] Front shocks for 300TD

they tend to feel good on asian cars, KYB, that is.  it could have to do
with them being an OE ap for some of these makers, as you suggest


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote:

 Typically  KYB for German cars are valved like Monroes, not Bilsteins, and
 hence are rock hard, beat your liver out.  Don't last very well either.

 Half the price, half the quality, eh?

 Don't know what they are like in Japanese cars, depends on what the maker
 wanted.  Aftermarket is a whole different game.

 Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Front shocks for 300TD

2013-09-06 Thread Peter Frederick

Typically  KYB for German cars are valved like Monroes, not Bilsteins,  
and hence are rock hard, beat your liver out.  Don't last very well  
either.


Half the price, half the quality, eh?

Don't know what they are like in Japanese cars, depends on what the  
maker wanted.  Aftermarket is a whole different game.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI

BTW I was just over at my local CarQuest and they had Pentosin 5w40 which meets 
505.1 and I asked about the price, $9.40 a quart but for $22 a gallon they have 
their own Car Quest synthetic which ALSO meets 505.1 and MB 229.3 and 229.5. I 
bought a CarQuest brand oil filter and I'm thinking once I get the car on the 
road I'll use the CarQuest oil for this first fill. I'll test at 5,000 miles 
and see what the analysis says.

-Curt


Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 13:31:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI
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If
 I had a 2004 or later I'd agree with you but I don't, its a '98, AHU 
engine, 505.00 which apparently M1 5w40 still doesn't meet although its 
CI-4 Plus and ACEA E7/E5...


A little googling shows an 
interesting disagreement around the interwebs. Apparently although M1 
5w40 doesn't meet 505.1 it might just be a failure of anybody to 
actually test it against 505.1. It seems some enthusiasts don't trust 
5w30 to protect the cam and are using 5w40 because of its higher sheer 
strength. It'd be interesting to know why the 5w40 isn't 505.1

Any 505.1 5w40 oils are EXPENSIVE, like $10/qt...

-Curt


Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 09:48:30 -0700
From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI
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What I've read lately is that the only Mobile oil 505.01 rated is the ESP
Formula 5w30. I have used Moutl and Elf 505.01 rated oil just to be safe.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI

Rats, forgot to include the link: 
http://www.carquestprofessionals.com/publicagencies/featured-products/USCOMM_FEATURED_PRODUCTS%20Motor%20Oils%201-21-13.pdf

-Curt

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI

BTW I was just over at my local CarQuest and they had Pentosin 5w40 which meets 
505.1 and I asked about the price, $9.40 a quart but for $22 a gallon they have 
their own Car Quest synthetic which ALSO meets 505.1 and MB 229.3 and 229.5. I 
bought a CarQuest brand oil filter and I'm thinking once I get the car on the 
road I'll use the CarQuest oil for this first fill. I'll test at 5,000 miles 
and see what the analysis says.

-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Front shocks for 300TD

2013-09-06 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Sep 6, 2013 3:41 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Typically  KYB for German cars are
 valved like Monroes, not Bilsteins,
 and hence are rock hard, beat your
 liver out.  Don't last very well either.

I don't see how you can generalize about Monroe: they make everything from
stiff truck shocks to what I'd call traditional American shocks ( very
little damping for that floaty watered ride).

 Don't know what [KYBs] are like in
 Japanese cars, depends on what the
 maker wanted.  Aftermarket is a
 whole different game.

I asked because I just replaced the factory shocks in my new-to-me LS400,
which were shot at 120K mi, with new KYB GR-2s (1/3 the price of OE from
the Lexus dealer and supposedly the same).  The car now rides and handles
like a slightly mushier 124, which I think is pretty much what Toyota was
shooting for.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Front shocks for 300TD

2013-09-06 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Sep 6, 2013 3:53 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:


 traditional American shocks ( very
 little damping for that floaty watered
 ride).


That should be floaty *waterbed* ride, of course.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI

I have never owned one, but I have looked at them a lot as I really like the 
TDI wagons.

Everything I heard and researched indicated that oil is especially critical in 
their smaller gas engines, although the diesels don't appear to be immune. This 
was the one issue that kept me from considering a couple of potential cars. No 
maintenance history, no purchase.

I found the same to be true with the Passats, too.

Dan

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On Sep 6, 2013, at 12:29 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Everything I've read suggests that the M1 5w40 I'm using in my 190D should be 
 just fine in the Jetta. I'll do analysis but I'm expecting 10k oil changes 
 based on my mostly highway flogging.
 
 Its very speedy compared to my 2.2l 190D. MB should have made a turbocharged 
 4cyl...
 
 -Curt
 
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 You'll be pleased with the TDI. I had an '01 Beetle and I now have an '06
 Jetta that I am about ready to have the third timing belt put in (at 161K
 miles).
 
 It probably goes without saying, but make absolutely sure you use the
 correctly rated oil.
 
 I've enjoyed both of the ones I've owned.
 
 Bob R
 On Sep 6, 2013 8:05 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 If the 240D was okay I wouldn't have bought the Jetta...
 
 Its back to square one, apparently the head was warped more than we
 thought. I got about 40 miles out of it after we replaced the head gasket
 before it was back to pushing coolant out again. I re-torqued the head and
 it was fine for 100 miles. I re-torqued again but it didn't help.
 
 Fred wants to pull the head again and have it machined. I'm pleased that
 the Jetta looks to require less work than I'd originally counted on
 (although the battery is expensive, about $150 which is the same as a grp
 49 for an MB and a 49 won't fit, which is terrible as I have a spare) so
 maybe...
 
 -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] one second to last Trent comment

2013-09-06 Thread Michael Canfield

Some 29 Super Swampers with portal gear boxes and an 80cc 2 stroker should
about go anywhere rigged up to your scooter.

Mike
On Sep 4, 2013 11:01 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Considering putting 4 chain saw or trimmer engines on the walker, too.
One of my nephews said he didn't think I'd be able to walk that fast. I
replied, I wasn't planning to walk, I'm planning to RIDE it!
'Thinking 'bout bigger wheels, gearing and motor for the electric scooter.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] one second to last Trent comment

Huh?? I thought we where going to help you hot up the scooter. You know
big engine, big wheels and a fancy paint job.
Then you won't need a D at all.

Hendrik
who can't decide between flames or racing stripes for the Milton scooter

On 05/09/13 11:33, WILTON wrote:

Good. Please, let's let it the the end of it. Let's move on to more
important things. Tim's probably gonna need some help with a 350/300SDL,
and I'll likely need some help with an '87 300D and whatever else I don't
know yet.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

There was a story on NPR about Chinese folks buying baby formula from outside 
the country because they don't trust anything locally...

Apparently the import is illegal but not strictly enforced.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 22:45:43 -0400
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the chinese are famous for cheating every spec.  it hasn't stopped them
from ruling hte world, so it's probably a good plan

so if the spec calls for a dog food to be 20% protein, they'll use 10%
protein and spike it with coal dust as that will make it read over 20%.
kill your dog?  kill your baby?  they have discovered that americans don't
care about any of that as long as it is a nickel cheaper

this outrage is all consumer driven.  we got what we asked for
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Third Brake Light Question

That was to replace the 126 Libby light destroyed by vandal in March last 
year.


Wilton

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I got a replacement unit from Rusty in about Jun of last year.

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] W210 Third Brake Light Question


1) The one on my '97 ain't working.  Any suggestions?  I took the bulb 
out

and tested it, and it works fine.

2) The sliding cover, after 16 years in the Oklahoma sun, disintegrated
whilst I was taking it off.  Any suggestions as to where to find a
replacement cover?

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] AOL and the list

2013-09-06 Thread rogerhga

Grant, 
Yes, there are many of us that still use AOL. And the news and other things 
aren't as good since Ms. Huffington took it over. AOL does not like the excess 
activity generated by some lists and thus throttle or even shut it down. The 
other list had problems with AOL for those reasons. I still use it because 
it's good for sending pictures, etc. It is free also an has excellent built in 
security and spam controls. Most of these lists, as with this one, generate 
large email files because some members seem to want to duplicate an email 
string for the past month rather than just commenting with their new email. 
Personally, this list recently has been rather guilty of long copied comment 
responses, lack of accurate subjects lines as the content changed but not the 
subject line, etc. 
I guess all things internet are somewhat guilty of not being as good as they 
could be if only a little effort were applied. 
As for MB content, I've always used Mobil Delvac 15x40 dino in my two 617s with 
no ill affects and both are high mileage. 
Best wishes to all, 

Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI

You'll be pleased with the TDI. I had an '01 Beetle and I now have an '06
Jetta that I am about ready to have the third timing belt put in (at 161K
miles).

It probably goes without saying, but make absolutely sure you use the
correctly rated oil.

I've enjoyed both of the ones I've owned.

Bob R
On Sep 6, 2013 8:05 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 If the 240D was okay I wouldn't have bought the Jetta...

 Its back to square one, apparently the head was warped more than we
 thought. I got about 40 miles out of it after we replaced the head gasket
 before it was back to pushing coolant out again. I re-torqued the head and
 it was fine for 100 miles. I re-torqued again but it didn't help.

 Fred wants to pull the head again and have it machined. I'm pleased that
 the Jetta looks to require less work than I'd originally counted on
 (although the battery is expensive, about $150 which is the same as a grp
 49 for an MB and a 49 won't fit, which is terrible as I have a spare) so
 maybe...

 -Curt

 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 06:46:45 -0400
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 Looks so modern compared to the 240D:)
 BTW, how's the 240D running now?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 5, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Oops, forgot the pictures
 
  In transit:
 http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/FC460DCA-997A-4D3A-8BAF-4815D4CE10AF-8532-04C6B740A4F4_zps99210269.jpg
 
  It towed real nice behind the Ranger.
 
  At home with my second white, manual transmission, diesel, German car.
 
 http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/0D83BB33-5F4C-4FDB-AC75-4C33D7109686-8532-04C6BD0B81B9_zps02608b15.jpg
 
 
  -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI

Hrag top diesel with the steel wheels and dog dish
hubcapsperfect. Good thing they are crazy expensive or I'd be looking
at one.

Bob R
On Sep 6, 2013 9:32 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 there's a TDI beetle convertible now.  this really interests me


 On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:

  You'll be pleased with the TDI. I had an '01 Beetle and I now have an '06
  Jetta that I am about ready to have the third timing belt put in (at 161K
  miles).
 
  It probably goes without saying, but make absolutely sure you use the
  correctly rated oil.
 
  I've enjoyed both of the ones I've owned.
 
  Bob R
  On Sep 6, 2013 8:05 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
   If the 240D was okay I wouldn't have bought the Jetta...
  
   Its back to square one, apparently the head was warped more than we
   thought. I got about 40 miles out of it after we replaced the head
 gasket
   before it was back to pushing coolant out again. I re-torqued the head
  and
   it was fine for 100 miles. I re-torqued again but it didn't help.
  
   Fred wants to pull the head again and have it machined. I'm pleased
 that
   the Jetta looks to require less work than I'd originally counted on
   (although the battery is expensive, about $150 which is the same as a
 grp
   49 for an MB and a 49 won't fit, which is terrible as I have a spare)
 so
   maybe...
  
   -Curt
  
   Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 06:46:45 -0400
   From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
   To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI
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   Looks so modern compared to the 240D:)
   BTW, how's the 240D running now?
  
   Sent from my iPhone
  
   On Sep 5, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
Oops, forgot the pictures
   
In transit:
  
 
 http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/FC460DCA-997A-4D3A-8BAF-4815D4CE10AF-8532-04C6B740A4F4_zps99210269.jpg
   
It towed real nice behind the Ranger.
   
At home with my second white, manual transmission, diesel, German
 car.
   
  
 
 http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/0D83BB33-5F4C-4FDB-AC75-4C33D7109686-8532-04C6BD0B81B9_zps02608b15.jpg
   
   
-Curt
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[MBZ] Bay Area powder coating shop suggestions

2013-09-06 Thread David Bruckmann

Hello all,

Does anyone on the list have a favourite powder coating shop in the SF Bay Area?

D. 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea


On 06/09/2013 4:33 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

The crispy pancake list.

Dan



My father would never have fit in - he made gooey pancakes.

A foot in diameter and 3/4 of an inch thick - burnt on the outside and 
gooey in the middle.


Wierd as he was a reasonably good cook - just not with pancakes.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

2013-09-06 Thread G Mann

On the issue of tea.. apparently there are some devoted tea drinkers here,
so someone may know.

Is there anywhere on the planet where I can buy Earl Gray Irish Breakfast
Tea  ?  Last time I saw it sold was perhaps 2 decades ago and it was
my absolute favorite.  The other Twinnings irish breakfast just are not the
same as well as others calling themselves irish breakfast teas.

Grant..


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 There was a story on NPR about Chinese folks buying baby formula from
 outside the country because they don't trust anything locally...

 Apparently the import is illegal but not strictly enforced.

 -Curt

 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 22:45:43 -0400
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea
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 the chinese are famous for cheating every spec.  it hasn't stopped them
 from ruling hte world, so it's probably a good plan

 so if the spec calls for a dog food to be 20% protein, they'll use 10%
 protein and spike it with coal dust as that will make it read over 20%.
 kill your dog?  kill your baby?  they have discovered that americans don't
 care about any of that as long as it is a nickel cheaper

 this outrage is all consumer driven.  we got what we asked for
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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

There is an Indian fellow on the other list that has been importing and
selling tea directly from India.
You might wish to check him out.

Randy

On 06/09/2013 4:02 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

the best places i've ever seen to buy tea are large asian supermarkets
such
as H-mart

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net
wrote:

What is your source of tea when you order it?

I too recall having some other kind of Earl Grey, maybe it was green EG
or
something, and it was good, but I never found it again and can't remember
where I got it.

--R

On 9/6/13 12:31 PM, OK Don wrote:

I've never heard of it, but I don't see any reason why Irish breakfast
blend could not be flavored with bergamot.

I'd try blending your own, find the Irish breakfast blend you like the
best, and some Earl Grey, and use some of both to make a cup, Refine the
proportions, and you've got it.

I buy all my tea on-line. Loose tea in bulk is much better than powered
tea
in bags from the mass markets.

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

On the issue of tea.. apparently there are some devoted tea drinkers

here,
so someone may know.

Grant.

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Re: [MBZ] Front shocks for 300TD

2013-09-06 Thread Jim Cathey

What's wrong with KYB?  Not the same as OEM damping characteristics, 
or are

they actually poor quality?


I took a pair off the Chicken Wagon.  They rattled terribly.
They still work, though.  That heavy lid on our outdoor cat
shelter settles down nice and slow with them in there.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Ok, now HERE is the car

2013-09-06 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

I bought a 300D where I couldn't test the AC becuase the belt was broken
(missing).  Guess what?  It also needed a new compressor, which the POS PO
probably knew but didn't disclose to me.  He probably severed and removed
the belt to provide a pretext..

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 Should be easy enough to crank on the air and see if it works.

 If it does leak water as he notes, is it a hose or a rust hole or ???

 Randy


 On 06/09/2013 1:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

 There is a water drain leak so I have not been using the air.
 Baloney.

 Otherwise, nice condition for a 1976 300D.  They are getting scarce.

 On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 wrote:

 A little too pricy though, and you do not see a 115 with real leather very
 often.

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-http://cgi.ebay.com/**ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-**
 Series-300D-1976-mercedes-benz-300-d-w-115-diesel-/**
 161101370205?pt=US_Cars_Truckshash=item258263d35dvxp=mtr
 http://cgi.ebay.com/**ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-**
 Series-300D-1976-mercedes-**benz-300-d-w-115-diesel-/**
 161101370205?pt=US_Cars_**Truckshash=item258263d35d**vxp=mtrhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300D-1976-mercedes-benz-300-d-w-115-diesel-/161101370205?pt=US_Cars_Truckshash=item258263d35dvxp=mtr
 

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

ATTABOY

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2013, at 10:36 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.
 
 Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Ok, now HERE is the car

2013-09-06 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

There is a water drain leak so I have not been using the air.
Baloney.

Otherwise, nice condition for a 1976 300D.  They are getting scarce.

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 A little too pricy though, and you do not see a 115 with real leather very
 often.

 http://cgi.ebay.com/**ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-**
 Series-300D-1976-mercedes-**benz-300-d-w-115-diesel-/**
 161101370205?pt=US_Cars_**Truckshash=item258263d35d**vxp=mtrhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300D-1976-mercedes-benz-300-d-w-115-diesel-/161101370205?pt=US_Cars_Truckshash=item258263d35dvxp=mtr

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

ATTABOY to Tim, also; I wish him well with it.  I expect to see it tooling 
(cruising) around Chapel Hill soon.


Wilton

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Atta boy, Wilton.

Bob R
On Sep 6, 2013 8:36 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

There is an Indian fellow on the other list that has been importing 
and selling tea directly from India.

You might wish to check him out.

Randy


On 06/09/2013 4:02 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

the best places i've ever seen to buy tea are large asian supermarkets such
as H-mart


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:


What is your source of tea when you order it?

I too recall having some other kind of Earl Grey, maybe it was green EG or
something, and it was good, but I never found it again and can't remember
where I got it.

--R



On 9/6/13 12:31 PM, OK Don wrote:


I've never heard of it, but I don't see any reason why Irish breakfast
blend could not be flavored with bergamot.

I'd try blending your own, find the Irish breakfast blend you like the
best, and some Earl Grey, and use some of both to make a cup, Refine the
proportions, and you've got it.

I like my hot tea straight, not blended, but I like the iced teas better
blended. I'm drinking a 50/50 mixture of Darjeeling and Keemun iced tea
now. Love it. I also mix hibiscus with a cinnamon plum flavored black tea
to drink iced. Very refreshing in the heat.

I buy all my tea on-line. Loose tea in bulk is much better than powered
tea
in bags from the mass markets.


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

  On the issue of tea.. apparently there are some devoted tea drinkers

here,
so someone may know.

Is there anywhere on the planet where I can buy Earl Gray Irish
Breakfast
Tea  ?  Last time I saw it sold was perhaps 2 decades ago and it was
my absolute favorite.  The other Twinnings irish breakfast just are not
the
same as well as others calling themselves irish breakfast teas.

Grant.











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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

2013-09-06 Thread dseretakis

My father used to make his own pancake mix which included yeast. Those things 
were pretty puffed up and tasty.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:59 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 On 06/09/2013 4:33 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 The crispy pancake list.
 
 Dan
 My father would never have fit in - he made gooey pancakes.
 
 A foot in diameter and 3/4 of an inch thick - burnt on the outside and gooey 
 in the middle.
 
 Wierd as he was a reasonably good cook - just not with pancakes.
 
 Randy
 
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Should be easy enough to crank on the air and see if it works.

If it does leak water as he notes, is it a hose or a rust hole or ???

Randy


On 06/09/2013 1:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

There is a water drain leak so I have not been using the air.
Baloney.

Otherwise, nice condition for a 1976 300D.  They are getting scarce.

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A little too pricy though, and you do not see a 115 with real leather very
often.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea


On 06/09/2013 4:35 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Dan who still has numerous alter egos that enjoy crispy pancakes



Not a surprise.

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts

i'd say the best parts with the best service, but how petty it would be of
me to quibble with such a glowing endorsement!

i really think the whole thing was and is blown out of proportion.  i have
a bit of an earl weaver style bad temper and when the lid blows, it really
blows.  i'm not trying to justify my previous antics.  in fact, i don't
think they were justified at all.  i regret them and wish i hadn't have
blown up as i did.  i was put in bad circumstances, unfairly, and i didn't
quite rise to the occasion but rather sunk with it to the murky bottom.
i'd like to think i'd do better today.

it all took on kind of a mythologized life of it's own as such things sadly
often do when a mob mentality is at work.  most of you had done business
with me for years and everything was always happy so the idea that i
suddenly became the incorrigible and unredeemable villain,  adolf hitler
II, overnight is just stupid and the ridiculousness of this extreme
position becomes clearer as more and more people have actual interactions
with me again.  i'm not saying this to be critical of this group, per se,
but this is just the unfortunate consequence of all groups.  a common
mythology is invented and adhered to and whether or not it is reality or
fantasy is of no consequence to the mob.  it's like some kind of tribal
chimpanzee evolutionary biology thing or something maybe

the simple bottom line is that all of you used to like me and liked to do
business with me and you are all coming to like me and to like to do
business with me once again because the reality is that i'm a likable guy
who is good to do business with and the supervillain is just an abstract
fantasy with little actual connection to the real me.  those who are hell
bent on perpetuating the fantasy villain me mythology are rapidly losing
all credibility in their quest to pin the collective crimes of humanity on
me.

in other words, the war is over haters and you are just going to have to
get with the getting along program as no one is going to believe your story
about me and the lindbergh baby anymore.  hating on dr fat just has no
future for you.

at this time, please rise as dmitri and i sing we are the world  :)




On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:10 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Well said Gary. I remember some of the stuff you said some years ago on
 this list and while some of it was quite amusing, it was also a bit over
 the top with personal attacks which is likely why you got banned.
 This time around you have been nothing but civil. In my opinion you have
 the absolute right to defend yourself when attacked And you have done so in
 a civilized and logical manner.
 The bottom line is you are no bullshit. You  provide good parts and a good
 service and that's the end of the story.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  as you should, wilton, but it is happening  here.  this thread starts
 with
  trent telling the story of how MY mess is the reason he has problems,
 aka
  why he steals  when i answer allegations, i get told i ought to get
 kicked
  off this list for it.  it's not meant in the spirit of humor, but it is
  schoolyard bullying by people who think they can take free shots at me.
  it
  is untoward and unbecoming and it ought not be tolerated by anyone
 
  as for trent, he stole and lied. that's a fact beyond dispute, not a
  personal attack.  when he brings my name into conversation i have a right
  to answer.  the fact that when i do a number of people gang up on me is
  just sick.  it ought to stop.
 
 
  On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 11:16 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
  I strongly discourage personal attacks against any one of us.
 
 
  Wilton
 
  - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 11:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts
 
 
  email me privately if you are interested in details.  wilton is right in
  saying we ought not go down this road again on the list.  i think also,
  however, i should be allowed to defend myself if attacked.  personal
  attacks against me should be discouraged as well
 
 
  On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
 **
  wrote:
 
 
  ....
 
  No one is dealing with Trent or is even thinking about it IMO.  It's
 just
  an interesting situation that several of us have been involved with.
  Those
  that want to keep him on the list probably just want to see how it all
  plays out.
 
  What's this about Rusty threatening to murder your daughter and your
  reporting him to the police?  What about Rustys claim that you took
 $15K
  out of his bank account?
  I don't see where anyone is treating you like Hitler.
 
  Gerrywho never ordered anything from Trent and just reads the
 emails.
  .....
  From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

Re: [MBZ] buymbparts

Group hug?

yikes!

Dan

On Sep 6, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 i'd say the best parts with the best service, but how petty it would be of
 me to quibble with such a glowing endorsement!
 
 i really think the whole thing was and is blown out of proportion.  i have
 a bit of an earl weaver style bad temper and when the lid blows, it really
 blows.  i'm not trying to justify my previous antics.  in fact, i don't
 think they were justified at all.  i regret them and wish i hadn't have
 blown up as i did.  i was put in bad circumstances, unfairly, and i didn't
 quite rise to the occasion but rather sunk with it to the murky bottom.
 i'd like to think i'd do better today.
 
 it all took on kind of a mythologized life of it's own as such things sadly
 often do when a mob mentality is at work.  most of you had done business
 with me for years and everything was always happy so the idea that i
 suddenly became the incorrigible and unredeemable villain,  adolf hitler
 II, overnight is just stupid and the ridiculousness of this extreme
 position becomes clearer as more and more people have actual interactions
 with me again.  i'm not saying this to be critical of this group, per se,
 but this is just the unfortunate consequence of all groups.  a common
 mythology is invented and adhered to and whether or not it is reality or
 fantasy is of no consequence to the mob.  it's like some kind of tribal
 chimpanzee evolutionary biology thing or something maybe
 
 the simple bottom line is that all of you used to like me and liked to do
 business with me and you are all coming to like me and to like to do
 business with me once again because the reality is that i'm a likable guy
 who is good to do business with and the supervillain is just an abstract
 fantasy with little actual connection to the real me.  those who are hell
 bent on perpetuating the fantasy villain me mythology are rapidly losing
 all credibility in their quest to pin the collective crimes of humanity on
 me.
 
 in other words, the war is over haters and you are just going to have to
 get with the getting along program as no one is going to believe your story
 about me and the lindbergh baby anymore.  hating on dr fat just has no
 future for you.
 
 at this time, please rise as dmitri and i sing we are the world  :)
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:10 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Well said Gary. I remember some of the stuff you said some years ago on
 this list and while some of it was quite amusing, it was also a bit over
 the top with personal attacks which is likely why you got banned.
 This time around you have been nothing but civil. In my opinion you have
 the absolute right to defend yourself when attacked And you have done so in
 a civilized and logical manner.
 The bottom line is you are no bullshit. You  provide good parts and a good
 service and that's the end of the story.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 as you should, wilton, but it is happening  here.  this thread starts
 with
 trent telling the story of how MY mess is the reason he has problems,
 aka
 why he steals  when i answer allegations, i get told i ought to get
 kicked
 off this list for it.  it's not meant in the spirit of humor, but it is
 schoolyard bullying by people who think they can take free shots at me.
 it
 is untoward and unbecoming and it ought not be tolerated by anyone
 
 as for trent, he stole and lied. that's a fact beyond dispute, not a
 personal attack.  when he brings my name into conversation i have a right
 to answer.  the fact that when i do a number of people gang up on me is
 just sick.  it ought to stop.
 
 
 On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 11:16 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
 I strongly discourage personal attacks against any one of us.
 
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 11:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts
 
 
 email me privately if you are interested in details.  wilton is right in
 saying we ought not go down this road again on the list.  i think also,
 however, i should be allowed to defend myself if attacked.  personal
 attacks against me should be discouraged as well
 
 
 On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
 **
 wrote:
 
 
 ....
 
 No one is dealing with Trent or is even thinking about it IMO.  It's
 just
 an interesting situation that several of us have been involved with.
 Those
 that want to keep him on the list probably just want to see how it all
 plays out.
 
 What's this about Rusty threatening to murder your daughter and your
 reporting him to the police?  What about Rustys claim that you took
 $15K
 out of his bank account?
 I don't see where anyone is treating you like Hitler.
 
 Gerrywho never ordered anything from Trent and just

Re: [MBZ] Ok, now HERE is the car

2013-09-06 Thread Larry T

2nd easiest - power steering is the easiest -  naturally, the hardest - 
to get to, and to adjust is the most important one - the one that runs 
the water pump..   Always seemed backwards to me. this is the 78 240 
I speak of - the 91 300 has a serpentine which is a piece of cake


LarryT
78 240D
91 300D


On 9/6/2013 6:42 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Heres a tip for the future, if the belt is missing the AC is broken, its that 
simple. If it worked they'd put a belt on it, its the easiest (or second 
easiest, I forget) belt...


-Curt


Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 15:53:54 -0400
From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ok, now HERE is the car
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I bought a 300D where I couldn't test the AC becuase the belt was broken
(missing).  Guess what?  It also needed a new compressor, which the POS PO
probably knew but didn't disclose to me.  He probably severed and removed
the belt to provide a pretext..
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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea and eating pancakes

2013-09-06 Thread Rich Thomas

Throw in some fine corn meal with that pancake batter (and waffle batter 
too) -- muy sabrosa!


--R




On 9/6/13 6:17 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

My father used to make his own pancake mix which included yeast. Those things 
were pretty puffed up and tasty.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:59 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:


On 06/09/2013 4:33 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

The crispy pancake list.

Dan

My father would never have fit in - he made gooey pancakes.

A foot in diameter and 3/4 of an inch thick - burnt on the outside and gooey in 
the middle.

Wierd as he was a reasonably good cook - just not with pancakes.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI

Hmm, had to think about that for a minute. I did have a '91 Ford Tempo back in 
'99 so I suppose a '98 is the newest car I've ever had.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 14:10:08 -0400
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI
Message-ID: 522a1a80.6050...@voyager.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Curt Raymond wrote:

 This is BTW the third white, diesel, manual transmission, German car 
I've gotten for $1500. Its also the newest car (as opposed to the Ranger
 which is a truck) I've ever had and the only front wheel drive car I've
 ever owned.

15 years old is the newest you've ever had or 1998 is the latest you've ever 
had?

Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] ▶ Sikorsky S-38 at Lake Lucerne - YouTube

Love it! that would be so much fun!


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:


  I want one of these!
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9ERfeD-jCM
 




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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea


Yes

He appears to be trying to unload his old MBs now too.

Randy

On 06/09/2013 4:31 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Sujit?

Dan

On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:18 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:


There is an Indian fellow on the other list that has been importing and 
selling tea directly from India.
You might wish to check him out.

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Re: [MBZ] ▶ Sikorsky S-38 at Lake Lucerne - YouTube

bet he couldn't land it like that in lake lucerne near stone mountain!

and it's ok as long as you sober up by morning


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 2:33 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:

 OBTWI posted at 2:19am...BUT I am not inebriated...simply on night
 schedule during training...at least for the next 2 days.


 On Sep 6, 2013, at 2:19 AM, Jon Agne wrote:

  I want one of these!
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9ERfeD-jCM
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Front shocks for 300TD

2013-09-06 Thread Peter Frederick

No, actually what you get is very stiff compression to control the  
wallowing body roll resulting from lacking a sway bar, and no  
resistance on extension.  The result is a hard ride with lots of noise  
and excessive rocking and undulation.  The combination is horrible,  
but was standard on American cars for decades, at least up into the  
90s if not longer.


My most recent experience was a couple years ago in Tallahassee, where  
I rented a Chevy Malibu for the weekend.  Yuck, same old feel every  
ripple in the road but drop into every hole, shocks knocking on  
suburban streets, huge turning radius.  I won't comment on the  
interior, but I was NOT impressed by the ride or handling.


You are right, Toyotas plow just like a '68 Ford.  Very stable, but  
DONT push!


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

actually, THE founding member.  but it wasn't my idea.  neither was bimby.
both were dickarde's idea.  his ideas got less good after that  :(


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 You were a founding member like me.  Only at the time I was banned from
 the MBCA and not from the Hilter list (yet).

 Dan who still has numerous alter egos that enjoy crispy pancakes

 On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  do you know that this list exists because stu's assistant threw me off
 his
  list like 15 years ago?
 
 
  On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
 wrote:
 
  Stu, Hank et al
 
 
 
  On 06/09/2013 4:21 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
 
  dickarde was a BIG fan of indian teas but i found his recommendations
 to
  be
  pretty harsh.  it could have just been that he was putting me into
 these
  really strong assam's but i haven't looked at indian tea since.  for
 those
  of us who have been extendedly pretty much out of the loop, which is
 the
  other list:?
 
 
  On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
  wrote:
 
  There is an Indian fellow on the other list that has been importing
 and
  selling tea directly from India.
  You might wish to check him out.
 
  Randy
 
 
 
  On 06/09/2013 4:02 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
 
  the best places i've ever seen to buy tea are large asian supermarkets
  such
  as H-mart
 
 
  On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Rich Thomas 
  richthomas79TD300@**constructi**vity.net http://constructivity.net
 
  richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
 
 
  wrote:
 
   What is your source of tea when you order it?
 
  I too recall having some other kind of Earl Grey, maybe it was
 green EG
  or
  something, and it was good, but I never found it again and can't
  remember
  where I got it.
 
  --R
 
 
 
  On 9/6/13 12:31 PM, OK Don wrote:
 
   I've never heard of it, but I don't see any reason why Irish
  breakfast
 
  blend could not be flavored with bergamot.
 
  I'd try blending your own, find the Irish breakfast blend you like
 the
  best, and some Earl Grey, and use some of both to make a cup,
 Refine
  the
  proportions, and you've got it.
 
  I like my hot tea straight, not blended, but I like the iced teas
  better
  blended. I'm drinking a 50/50 mixture of Darjeeling and Keemun iced
  tea
  now. Love it. I also mix hibiscus with a cinnamon plum flavored
 black
  tea
  to drink iced. Very refreshing in the heat.
 
  I buy all my tea on-line. Loose tea in bulk is much better than
  powered
  tea
  in bags from the mass markets.
 
 
  On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
On the issue of tea.. apparently there are some devoted tea
  drinkers
 
  here,
  so someone may know.
 
  Is there anywhere on the planet where I can buy Earl Gray Irish
  Breakfast
  Tea  ?  Last time I saw it sold was perhaps 2 decades ago
 and it
  was
  my absolute favorite.  The other Twinnings irish breakfast just
 are
  not
  the
  same as well as others calling themselves irish breakfast teas.
 
  Grant.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] AOL and the list

2013-09-06 Thread G Mann

I truly did not know that anyone used AOL these days.  In past experiences
it was always referred to as AOHELL and in my experience it was a well
earned reputation have they improved lately?

Inquiring minds want to know since we now live in a perfect world.

Grant...


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:49 AM, MG trainpain2...@aol.com wrote:

 Anybody know why Kleb's list server doesn't play nice with AOL? Every
 individual message I get comes from Mercedes-bounce and then after a while
 I get cut off and have to turn it back on. When I use the digest version
 there aren't any problems.

 Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea

Ask captain Picard.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2013, at 10:09 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 On the issue of tea.. apparently there are some devoted tea drinkers here,
 so someone may know.
 
 Is there anywhere on the planet where I can buy Earl Gray Irish Breakfast
 Tea  ?  Last time I saw it sold was perhaps 2 decades ago and it was
 my absolute favorite.  The other Twinnings irish breakfast just are not the
 same as well as others calling themselves irish breakfast teas.
 
 Grant..
 
 
 On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 There was a story on NPR about Chinese folks buying baby formula from
 outside the country because they don't trust anything locally...
 
 Apparently the import is illegal but not strictly enforced.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 22:45:43 -0400
 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 
 the chinese are famous for cheating every spec.  it hasn't stopped them
 from ruling hte world, so it's probably a good plan
 
 so if the spec calls for a dog food to be 20% protein, they'll use 10%
 protein and spike it with coal dust as that will make it read over 20%.
 kill your dog?  kill your baby?  they have discovered that americans don't
 care about any of that as long as it is a nickel cheaper
 
 this outrage is all consumer driven.  we got what we asked for
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Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI

Car quest oil meets mb spec?

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On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 BTW I was just over at my local CarQuest and they had Pentosin 5w40 which 
 meets 505.1 and I asked about the price, $9.40 a quart but for $22 a gallon 
 they have their own Car Quest synthetic which ALSO meets 505.1 and MB 229.3 
 and 229.5. I bought a CarQuest brand oil filter and I'm thinking once I get 
 the car on the road I'll use the CarQuest oil for this first fill. I'll test 
 at 5,000 miles and see what the analysis says.
 
 -Curt
 
 
 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 13:31:25 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
 To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI
 Message-ID:
 1378499485.73372.yahoomail...@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
 If
 I had a 2004 or later I'd agree with you but I don't, its a '98, AHU 
 engine, 505.00 which apparently M1 5w40 still doesn't meet although its 
 CI-4 Plus and ACEA E7/E5...
 
 
 A little googling shows an 
 interesting disagreement around the interwebs. Apparently although M1 
 5w40 doesn't meet 505.1 it might just be a failure of anybody to 
 actually test it against 505.1. It seems some enthusiasts don't trust 
 5w30 to protect the cam and are using 5w40 because of its higher sheer 
 strength. It'd be interesting to know why the 5w40 isn't 505.1
 
 Any 505.1 5w40 oils are EXPENSIVE, like $10/qt...
 
 -Curt
 
 
 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 09:48:30 -0700
 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI
 Message-ID:
 ??? CAKOy=fwcok4o-uajo8uhihhy-m1zszjxfwfne_yusuksvpm...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 
 What I've read lately is that the only Mobile oil 505.01 rated is the ESP
 Formula 5w30. I have used Moutl and Elf 505.01 rated oil just to be safe.
 
 Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

So I go out to my car at the end of my 12 hour day and pop the hood. All
looks fine. I touch the negative cable I made and installed a week ago and
it comes apart at the terminal connection. That explains everything. I
guess my 2 ought crimping skills are lacking. Should have soldered it as
well.
As luck would have it, I had a clamp on terminal connection I put on in
it's place, hooked up jumper cables to a work associate's Altima and 10
minutes later, it started. Tonight I will recrimp and solder the
connection.

Bob R
On Sep 5, 2013 8:25 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:

A stuck (or in my case, broken and shorted) glow plug relay will indeed
run the battery flat with a good alternator, especially at night when you
have the headlights on. Less power produced by the alternator than is
getting used, so the battery goes flat.

Happened to me on a trip, and unlike the Benz the Volvo has an electric
shut off, so when the voltage goes too low the engine stops. I was looking
for a place to pull over where I wouldn't get hit when I ran over a hole in
the pavement and dislodged the broken contact in the relay, instantly
restoring my headlights, radio, windows, and AC.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI

If the 240D was okay I wouldn't have bought the Jetta...

Its back to square one, apparently the head was warped more than we thought. I 
got about 40 miles out of it after we replaced the head gasket before it was 
back to pushing coolant out again. I re-torqued the head and it was fine for 
100 miles. I re-torqued again but it didn't help.

Fred wants to pull the head again and have it machined. I'm pleased that the 
Jetta looks to require less work than I'd originally counted on (although the 
battery is expensive, about $150 which is the same as a grp 49 for an MB and a 
49 won't fit, which is terrible as I have a spare) so maybe...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 06:46:45 -0400
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI
Message-ID: 2ff305cd-3bbd-403d-b517-faf3c0d6b...@yahoo.com
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Looks so modern compared to the 240D:)
BTW, how's the 240D running now?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Oops, forgot the pictures
 
 In transit: 
 http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/FC460DCA-997A-4D3A-8BAF-4815D4CE10AF-8532-04C6B740A4F4_zps99210269.jpg
 
 It towed real nice behind the Ranger.
 
 At home with my second white, manual transmission, diesel, German car.
 
http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/0D83BB33-5F4C-4FDB-AC75-4C33D7109686-8532-04C6BD0B81B9_zps02608b15.jpg
 
 
 -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI

2013-09-06 Thread dseretakis

I think Fred is on the money. I thought they get machined routinely nowadays if 
the head is off!

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 If the 240D was okay I wouldn't have bought the Jetta...
 
 Its back to square one, apparently the head was warped more than we thought. 
 I got about 40 miles out of it after we replaced the head gasket before it 
 was back to pushing coolant out again. I re-torqued the head and it was fine 
 for 100 miles. I re-torqued again but it didn't help.
 
 Fred wants to pull the head again and have it machined. I'm pleased that the 
 Jetta looks to require less work than I'd originally counted on (although the 
 battery is expensive, about $150 which is the same as a grp 49 for an MB and 
 a 49 won't fit, which is terrible as I have a spare) so maybe...
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 06:46:45 -0400
 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI
 Message-ID: 2ff305cd-3bbd-403d-b517-faf3c0d6b...@yahoo.com
 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii
 
 Looks so modern compared to the 240D:)
 BTW, how's the 240D running now?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 5, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Oops, forgot the pictures
  
 In transit: 
 http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/FC460DCA-997A-4D3A-8BAF-4815D4CE10AF-8532-04C6B740A4F4_zps99210269.jpg
  
 It towed real nice behind the Ranger.
  
 At home with my second white, manual transmission, diesel, German car.
  
 http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/0D83BB33-5F4C-4FDB-AC75-4C33D7109686-8532-04C6BD0B81B9_zps02608b15.jpg
  
  
 -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea


I have heard the stories.

Randy


On 06/09/2013 4:31 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

do you know that this list exists because stu's assistant threw me off his
list like 15 years ago?


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:


Stu, Hank et al



On 06/09/2013 4:21 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


dickarde was a BIG fan of indian teas but i found his recommendations to
be
pretty harsh.  it could have just been that he was putting me into these
really strong assam's but i haven't looked at indian tea since.  for those
of us who have been extendedly pretty much out of the loop, which is the
other list:?


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
wrote:

  There is an Indian fellow on the other list that has been importing and

selling tea directly from India.
You might wish to check him out.

Randy



On 06/09/2013 4:02 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

  the best places i've ever seen to buy tea are large asian supermarkets

such
as H-mart


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79TD300@**constructi**vity.net http://constructivity.net
richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net
wrote:

   What is your source of tea when you order it?


I too recall having some other kind of Earl Grey, maybe it was green EG
or
something, and it was good, but I never found it again and can't
remember
where I got it.

--R



On 9/6/13 12:31 PM, OK Don wrote:

   I've never heard of it, but I don't see any reason why Irish
breakfast


blend could not be flavored with bergamot.

I'd try blending your own, find the Irish breakfast blend you like the
best, and some Earl Grey, and use some of both to make a cup, Refine
the
proportions, and you've got it.

I like my hot tea straight, not blended, but I like the iced teas
better
blended. I'm drinking a 50/50 mixture of Darjeeling and Keemun iced
tea
now. Love it. I also mix hibiscus with a cinnamon plum flavored black
tea
to drink iced. Very refreshing in the heat.

I buy all my tea on-line. Loose tea in bulk is much better than
powered
tea
in bags from the mass markets.


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

On the issue of tea.. apparently there are some devoted tea
drinkers

  here,

so someone may know.

Is there anywhere on the planet where I can buy Earl Gray Irish
Breakfast
Tea  ?  Last time I saw it sold was perhaps 2 decades ago and it
was
my absolute favorite.  The other Twinnings irish breakfast just are
not
the
same as well as others calling themselves irish breakfast teas.

Grant.




  



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Re: [MBZ] W210 Third Brake Light Question

But the entire unit that slips into place on the pedestal in the 126 is 
significantly more than $20.


Wilton

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Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W210 Third Brake Light Question



A new cover from the stealership is about $20.

Dan

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On Sep 6, 2013, at 11:42 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


I got a replacement unit from Rusty in about Jun of last year.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: M. Mitchell Marmel 
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Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 9:18 AM
Subject: [MBZ] W210 Third Brake Light Question


1) The one on my '97 ain't working.  Any suggestions?  I took the bulb 
out

and tested it, and it works fine.

2) The sliding cover, after 16 years in the Oklahoma sun, disintegrated
whilst I was taking it off.  Any suggestions as to where to find a
replacement cover?

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

Or I'd be doing it.  ;)

Wilton

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Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

Tim wrote;
On a more sober note, Wilton's oil analysis came back positive for 
coolant.

Since it won't turn over now, is there any point in doing further
diagnostics to his engine? Or should I just drop it into the old chassis
and let it add weight for the junkyard?

Save it if you have storage. It would be ideal to get a factory 
replacement engine, and have that one as a core. Or have it reconditioned 
at an authorized Mercedes rebuilder. Not cost effective though.

Rick Knoble

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Re: [MBZ] W210 Third Brake Light Question

Follow the wires and see if they are connected and have a good 
ground. Should go to the left rear brake light circuit.


You might try Mercedes for the third light. If they don't have it 
then a u-pull is all the hope you've got. Warning, all of those 
will be just as brittle as the one in your car was.


Manfred

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 08:18:06 -0500
From: M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com

1) The one on my '97 ain't working.  Any suggestions?  I took the 
bulb out

and tested it, and it works fine.

2) The sliding cover, after 16 years in the Oklahoma sun, 
disintegrated

whilst I was taking it off.  Any suggestions as to where to find a
replacement cover?

-MMM-

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Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI

2013-09-06 Thread Mitch Haley


Curt Raymond wrote:


This is BTW the third white, diesel, manual transmission, German car I've 
gotten for $1500. Its also the newest car (as opposed to the Ranger which is a 
truck) I've ever had and the only front wheel drive car I've ever owned.


15 years old is the newest you've ever had or 1998 is the latest you've ever 
had?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

Really? Try to get a dashboard for a W123 since they are all 
starting to crack. Mercedes doesn't have them neither does anyone 
else. I need two for a w123. Not available and no plans to make 
any more. Try getting the spare tire holder for a TD. One of 
those parts that rusts out at the bottom along with the floor 
plate there. The floor plate you can still get but not the spare 
tire holder. As the parts run out at MB for any of those cars 
that's the end. Unless the aftermarket suppliers step up and 
produce them. I can't remember how many parts I have tried to get 
for my 123s the last year only to be told over and over that they 
will no longer be available. Yes you can still get the common 
repair stuff due to after market. Soon however you won't find 
them at MB. AS far as that goes I just bought an accelerator 
linkage bracket for the firewall on the 123. Got it from MB, no 
MB number or star on it. Think about that for a bit.


My thought is that someone up there at MB came along and decided 
that there were to many of those cars, E-class, and if they keep 
producing parts a lot of people would keep driving them. On the 
other hand if those people can't get the parts then they would 
have to junk them and buy a new Mercedes. More money, always 
follow the money to find out why.


Manfred

From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

If that is the case, why are they designating cars as classics?

IIRC, they just identified the W140 chassis as classic earlier 
this year.


I would think that with the volume of W123 and W124 models out 
there that third party parts suppliers are doing a good job 
keeping up with what is needed.


Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Front shocks for 300TD

2013-09-06 Thread Peter Frederick

Every vehicle equipped with Monroe shocks I've driven or ridden in  
rode like it had solid rubber blocks installed instead of shocks.   
Very hard, with no rebound control.  Heavy duty are MUCH harder --  
there was a pair on the rear of my 280SE when I got it and the rear  
wheels would leave the ground going over railroad tracks.  I replaced  
them with some used shocks from a 1965 280S, vastly better.


They used to be advertised as giving you better control --  
Amerispeak for very stiff to reduce body roll back in the day.


They are very low price, need I say more?

As Hans says, a brand new set of Gabriels or Monroes will ride and  
knock pretty much just like the worn out Bilsteins you took off.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

2013-09-06 Thread rickknoble

 Tim wrote;
On a more sober note, Wilton's oil analysis came back positive for coolant.
 Since it won't turn over now, is there any point in doing further
diagnostics to his engine?  Or should I just drop it into the old chassis
and let it add weight for the junkyard?

Save it if you have storage. It would be ideal to get a factory replacement 
engine, and have that one as a core. Or have it reconditioned at an authorized 
Mercedes rebuilder. Not cost effective though.




Rick Knoble

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Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI

Tom/Curt,

Wasn't there a web site with the cars he had for sale?

If so, could you post the address?

Thanks,

Dan

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On Sep 5, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 So now I've gone and done it.
 Today Fred and I trekked down to Groton, CT where (mostly silent list member) 
 Tom sold me a '98 Jetta TDI.
 White with a dark graphite interior, K2 seats which may or may not be 
 original 23x,xxx miles. When jumped it starts with the barest touch of the 
 key. (Autozone wanted an absurd $150 for a new battery. I think I paid that 
 for the grp 49 in the 190D, the Jetta battery is smaller...) Goes good, stops 
 good, shifts good. Small amount of rust on the car up top a little classic A3 
 Jetta rust on the rockers which I intend to stabilize Saturday. It needs the 
 parking brake sorted and a mystery coolant leak checked out (I think its just 
 the hose on the overflow) oh and its dirty but I'm quite pleased.
 
 This was a low dollar deal, Tom runs a program for kids that gets some of its 
 funding from car donations so I got a car and hopefully helped a kid or two.
 
 This is BTW the third white, diesel, manual transmission, German car I've 
 gotten for $1500. Its also the newest car (as opposed to the Ranger which is 
 a truck) I've ever had and the only front wheel drive car I've ever owned.
 
 -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI