Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius
How about a cheap new vehicle. Lease a smart ED with the battery assurance plus (BAP). Note that MBUSA has captured and retained the $7500 federal incentive, but it's passed on to you anyway. The finance charges on the lease work out to about 1%. Anyhow, the official deal is $999 down and $139/mo for 36 months, with 30k miles over the life of the lease. In Maryland, with taxes, tags, destination fee, etc, it's $3250 down (but it qualifies for a $2200 rebate from MD MVA) and $145/mo. -j. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 11, 2014, at 10:59, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah right, I've got a bridge to sell you. Nobody I know with a Prius that drives an extensive highway commute gets 45mpg, 35-40 is the norm. -Curt From: archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Prius get 40 to 45 mpg minimum on the highway. Plug-in Prius gets 95 mpg combined city and highway. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2012_Toyota_Prius.shtml Gerry On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:46:20 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A Prius for me would be a problem, I do way too much open road driving, where they get 22mpg. Takes a lot of gasoline to haul that huge battery down the highway for half an hour with no regenerative braking. They do great in town, but not so good long distance. My uncle likes his, bought it when they first came out, but he hasn't driven outside suburban conditions for decades. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8194 - Release Date: 09/11/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Generator doesn't generate
I bought a Husky (Home Depot brand, appears to be a Homelite HU 3650) generator last fall. Subaru/Robin engine, apparently Chinese generator head. Engine/generator was loose from the chassis, air filter smashed, other than that looked new. Said to have been dropped while loading it on a pickup truck. Somebody scratched refurb and a date in 2011 on the gas tank. I got new motor mounts and airbox, put it together, and it runs like a top but won't generate. Put a voltmeter on it, get 0.6-0.8V on both 120v outlets. Aside from taking the panel apart and checking the circuit breaker for the outlets, what are the troubleshooting steps? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] commuting by bicycle (was: Re: Testing Prius)
I don't know whether his commute is flat or not. I have a 9.3 mile commute, which sounds nice and easy, but then you look at a topo map... In mine, the peak elevation is 397ft, the lowest is 59ft. In the first 2-2.5 miles, there is a single rise of 150ft in 0.2 miles distance, followed by a drop of 75ft in 0.1 miles, followed by a rise of 75ft in 0.1 miles. The rest of the morning commute doesn't have any rises over about 55ft, and is basically downhill to the end at 62ft of elevation. A nice relaxed 9.3 mile bike ride. BTW, If driving an electric car is drinking the [green] Kool-Aid (not to be confused with flavoraid of Jonestown fame), then at least the smart ED is proper German [green] Kool-Aid. (And for bonus points, http://www.forbes.com/pictures/ehmk45mgef/1-smart-fortwo-electric-drive/ ... For those times when you really want to annoy people with a greener-than-thou attitude.) -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 11, 2014, at 17:01, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: just ride easier. that kind of distance is an easy twiddle of the pedals; i do further than that in work clothes frequently (albeit not in a full suit), even when i have meetings, and don't arrive significantly sweatier or any less presentable than i usually am,... cheers! e On 11/Sep/14 10:39, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Nah, I'd get too sweaty. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I hadn't noticed the RT when I read the post originally. With that in mind a bicycle is indeed the absolute best choice. Considering where Andrew is he'd easily get 8 months of riding in each year. If you're worried about being sweaty in the morning get one of those electric assist bikes. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Bike! --R On 9/11/14 10:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] multi-purpose stalk on '84 300D
Yes, these can be brought back to life with a good cleaning. On my 123 wagon, I removed the stalk and took it apart for cleaning, to restore the wiper function. End cap can be pried off. On my 124 sedan, the optical horn contacts are at the base of the stalk. Didn't have to remove it, just pop off the cover at the base and spay deoxit on the revealed contacts. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Sep 11, 2014 6:26 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Usually corroded contacts. If you can see them, spray them down with DeOxit or some other contact cleaner and cycle them a while, usually clears up the problem. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate
Depends. With the cover off the alternator, are there brushes or is it brushless? If it's brushless there is probably a big capacitor somewhere. Report back on what you find and we can go from there. Either way it's pretty simple, the methods are just different depending on what type of excitation it uses. Dan On Sep 12, 2014, at 6:09 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I bought a Husky (Home Depot brand, appears to be a Homelite HU 3650) generator last fall. Subaru/Robin engine, apparently Chinese generator head. Engine/generator was loose from the chassis, air filter smashed, other than that looked new. Said to have been dropped while loading it on a pickup truck. Somebody scratched refurb and a date in 2011 on the gas tank. I got new motor mounts and airbox, put it together, and it runs like a top but won't generate. Put a voltmeter on it, get 0.6-0.8V on both 120v outlets. Aside from taking the panel apart and checking the circuit breaker for the outlets, what are the troubleshooting steps? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] N
that's a meaningless rebuttal... LarryT On 9/10/2014 3:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: That's ancient history. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What anti-gun laws? Possession of handguns by non-government employees was totally banned in both District of Criminals and Chitcago for decades before recently being overturned by the Supreme Court. And by totally banned, I mean they considered it a felony to have one inside your home that you never took anywhere. OTOH, if you were an anti-gun newspaper writer, it was not only OK to have a handgun, you could shoot a kid for swimming in your pool without permission and not face charges. (Carl Rowan) Most people would consider that an anti-gun law. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
Speaking of Propane grills - we bought one 3 or 4 years ago and it has suffered from rusting very badly. It has little sheetmetal clips that hold the heat shields in place - all are basically gone from rust. i do keep my grill out side but its cover is always closed once the grill has cooled a bit It wasn't a cheap grill either - well everything is relative - but we paid between $150 and $200 for it. That's not cheap for me. I know SS grills are available but I suspect the prices are pretty steep. Does everyone see their grills disappear before their eyes or am I the only one with a grill that enjoys rusting so much? LarryT On 9/11/2014 6:10 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: Turkey friers usually run 70,000 to 95,000 btu. Lotta heat. I don't use anywhere near that much for canning. Not to knock coleman stoves, but a propane burner is much more convenient if you also have a propane grill. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate
On September 12, 2014 at 6:57 AM Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Depends. With the cover off the alternator, are there brushes or is it brushless? Brushes. $40 worth. http://www.mastertoolrepair.com/generator-alternator-parts-hu3650-hu36511-p-44952.html If it's brushless there is probably a big capacitor somewhere. 22mf, 450vv (superceded by a 500v) Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
Same here Larry, I've given up on our propane grill. Food tastes so much better cooked over charcoal, that's all we use now, and the little Weber grill fits in the garage quite nicely. I kept our gas grill operational for years, so we'd have something to cook over in the event of an extended power outrage, but now we have a little butane burner and a slightly larger butane burner, in addition to the charcoal grill. Time to haul the gas grill to the recyclers... Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Sep 12, 2014 7:39 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Speaking of Propane grills - we bought one 3 or 4 years ago and it has suffered from rusting very badly. It has little sheetmetal clips that hold the heat shields in place - all are basically gone from rust. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate
With it running and a meter on the out put or a light bulb, put 12VDC to the brush leads and see what the output does. If you get 40-80VAC out of it (or more) the windings are OK. Sounds like it's a capacitive excited set, meaning it self excites using the capacitor. If you get output by separate excitation as described above, replace the capacitor. That's assuming there's nothing else in the circuitry, like a voltage regulator. Dan On Sep 12, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On September 12, 2014 at 6:57 AM Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Depends. With the cover off the alternator, are there brushes or is it brushless? Brushes. $40 worth. http://www.mastertoolrepair.com/generator-alternator-parts-hu3650-hu36511-p-44952.html If it's brushless there is probably a big capacitor somewhere. 22mf, 450vv (superceded by a 500v) Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate
Just looked at the parts manual link. Capacitor excited set. On Sep 12, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: With it running and a meter on the out put or a light bulb, put 12VDC to the brush leads and see what the output does. If you get 40-80VAC out of it (or more) the windings are OK. Sounds like it's a capacitive excited set, meaning it self excites using the capacitor. If you get output by separate excitation as described above, replace the capacitor. That's assuming there's nothing else in the circuitry, like a voltage regulator. Dan On Sep 12, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On September 12, 2014 at 6:57 AM Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Depends. With the cover off the alternator, are there brushes or is it brushless? Brushes. $40 worth. http://www.mastertoolrepair.com/generator-alternator-parts-hu3650-hu36511-p-44952.html If it's brushless there is probably a big capacitor somewhere. 22mf, 450vv (superceded by a 500v) Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate
Aside from taking the panel apart and checking the circuit breaker for the outlets, what are the troubleshooting steps? Do these respond to flashing? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate
That means only two possibilities. Bad winding or bad cap, assuming the brushes are good and making contact. Dan Sent from my iPad On Sep 12, 2014, at 8:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just looked at the parts manual link. Capacitor excited set. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
I had one I managed to keep going for maybe 12 years, some of it was even aluminum that corroded. But send it back to China and a new one will show up soon, incorporating the old one. Or maybe a Toyota or something else. I have a SS grill now I got at Lowes maybe 10 years ago, it looks pretty much new even after sitting outside. I think it is worth it to get SS with cast iron burners, they seem to last indefinitely. Higher up-front cost, but they last. --R On 9/12/14 7:39 AM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: Does everyone see their grills disappear before their eyes or am I the only one with a grill that enjoys rusting so much? LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] turbo update 82 300td
Strong work. --R On 9/11/14 8:22 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes wrote: Folks Well, i drove the car today It runs really well and is so quiet that i can again hear the turbo whine …. i think i could even get a speeding ticket, now … as always on WVO MUCH IMPROVED we'll see how the turbo does. I was dripping a few drops of oil on the lower drain side, but tightened the bolts a bit more lots of things to watch MY car has unknown mileage since the odometer doesn't work …. probably 350k with 90 or 100k on WVO thanks xx rick hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] commuting by bicycle
I ride all year around here, I like the summer warmth. 3.5mi down to the beach, a mile or two on the beach, then back, clears the head and gets the blood flowing. --R On 9/11/14 6:42 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote: summer are brutal for riding. i really only ride about 6 or 7 months a year down here. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: In Washington DC summers, a man on a bike can only go about three blocks before bursting into flame. It is even worse than down here in the Low Country. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Sep 11, 2014 5:01 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: just ride easier. that kind of distance is an easy twiddle of the pedals; i do further than that in work clothes frequently (albeit not in a full suit), even when i have meetings, and don't arrive significantly sweatier or any less presentable than i usually am,... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate
When the power went out last Friday, the generator had no governor spring. It started and idled fine, but no output. I blipped the throttle a few times, kept it revved up for 10 seconds or so, still no output, it went up from about 0.6v to 0.8v when revving it hard. Today I remembered where the governor spring was, put it on, started the generator, then spent around 5 minutes looking for the voltmeter I was using a week ago. When I found the voltmeter, it was putting out 116-117v on both outlets. I plugged in a circular saw and it ran just like it was hooked up to the grid. So I guess it needed to run a while at full speed to start working. Blipping the throttle by hand wasn't enough, nor was letting it idle 10-15 minutes. Now, about my neighbor's generator that died while under load a few years ago. (they heard the engine free-rev and all the refrigerators and lights died) Should I do what I was going to do with mine, hook up a battery charger to the brushes, assuming there are brushes under the rectangular 'brush cover' on the end of the generator head? Does polarity matter? Mitch. Who is now kicking himself for not grabbing the $100 12hp Coleman/Subaru he saw advertised 80 miles away on CL earlier this week runs great but no power. Today it says 'posting deleted by its author'. Dan Penoff wrote: With it running and a meter on the out put or a light bulb, put 12VDC to the brush leads and see what the output does. If you get 40-80VAC out of it (or more) the windings are OK. Sounds like it's a capacitive excited set, meaning it self excites using the capacitor. If you get output by separate excitation as described above, replace the capacitor. That's assuming there's nothing else in the circuitry, like a voltage regulator. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
I have an ancient Arkla (probably made right here in Evansville for Sears) that my BIL bought right after he and my sister got married in 1980. I'm on the fourth burner i think. Still works OK, but is still way too hot unless I cover the burner with a ceramic shield, and still catches fire all the time. Cast iron burners are the way to go, maybe tubular steel as I've seen in a couple places. Those crimped stainless burners corrode through and split in a few years without fail, and the grids fall apart quickly. I use it less and less -- must be age (or having too many other things to do!), and my brother has switched back to charcoal. Much nicer, not much slower to get started, and cooks much better. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] turbo update 82 300td
If you can actually hear the turbo whine and the air cleaner is installed, you have a bad turbo (unless you have a leak between turbo and intake -- check the 0-ring). MB turbos are usually silent, unlike the Volvo, where it sounds like a police siren a couple blocks away. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] commuting by bicycle
I'm 37 miles from work on major highways with significant hills. Not really possible to commute, even it good weather. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
Mine was a bit weak on the heat output so I bored out a coupla the nozzles and now I can cook a steak in about 3 seconds. Works much better. The other 2 are stock and better for slow cooking. --R On 9/12/14 9:59 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: I have an ancient Arkla (probably made right here in Evansville for Sears) that my BIL bought right after he and my sister got married in 1980. I'm on the fourth burner i think. Still works OK, but is still way too hot unless I cover the burner with a ceramic shield, and still catches fire all the time. Cast iron burners are the way to go, maybe tubular steel as I've seen in a couple places. Those crimped stainless burners corrode through and split in a few years without fail, and the grids fall apart quickly. I use it less and less -- must be age (or having too many other things to do!), and my brother has switched back to charcoal. Much nicer, not much slower to get started, and cooks much better. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
That sounds about right. Remember the price of grills hasn't risen appreciably in the last 15 years. We looked at grills for camp and decided on a KMart $99 unit which has served us surprisingly well. At home I have a Vermont Castings unit that a co-worker replaced with a $600 Webber. The VC I got cost around $600 20 years ago. I would submit that a good grill is in the $500-$800 range and if you're going to spend less you should get the $100 cheapo. I will note that my home grill is due for some love, its burning quite yellow. I need to take a look in the burner and see if the air tubes are plugged, at the very least I should clean out the accumulated schmutz. I've had the thing 5 or 6 years and have maintained it not at all. When I got it I put a new cast iron (as opposed to the pressed steel the cheapies use) burner in but thats all. It could use new ceramic radiants (as opposed to lava rocks) too. -Curt From: LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners Speaking of Propane grills - we bought one 3 or 4 years ago and it has suffered from rusting very badly. It has little sheetmetal clips that hold the heat shields in place - all are basically gone from rust. i do keep my grill out side but its cover is always closed once the grill has cooled a bit It wasn't a cheap grill either - well everything is relative - but we paid between $150 and $200 for it. That's not cheap for me. I know SS grills are available but I suspect the prices are pretty steep. Does everyone see their grills disappear before their eyes or am I the only one with a grill that enjoys rusting so much? LarryT On 9/11/2014 6:10 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: Turkey friers usually run 70,000 to 95,000 btu. Lotta heat. I don't use anywhere near that much for canning. Not to knock coleman stoves, but a propane burner is much more convenient if you also have a propane grill. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
I was at Lowes one day 3 or 4 years ago, they were having a parking lot sale cleaning out a lot of random stuff. They had 2 portable SS grills new in boxes, were like $100 originally, marked down to $20. I bought both of them just because, gave one to my son who never used it, so I got that back. Both still in the garage as I have not had occasion to use them, but for that deal... --R On 9/12/14 10:12 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: That sounds about right. Remember the price of grills hasn't risen appreciably in the last 15 years. We looked at grills for camp and decided on a KMart $99 unit which has served us surprisingly well. At home I have a Vermont Castings unit that a co-worker replaced with a $600 Webber. The VC I got cost around $600 20 years ago. I would submit that a good grill is in the $500-$800 range and if you're going to spend less you should get the $100 cheapo. I will note that my home grill is due for some love, its burning quite yellow. I need to take a look in the burner and see if the air tubes are plugged, at the very least I should clean out the accumulated schmutz. I've had the thing 5 or 6 years and have maintained it not at all. When I got it I put a new cast iron (as opposed to the pressed steel the cheapies use) burner in but thats all. It could use new ceramic radiants (as opposed to lava rocks) too. -Curt From: LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners Speaking of Propane grills - we bought one 3 or 4 years ago and it has suffered from rusting very badly. It has little sheetmetal clips that hold the heat shields in place - all are basically gone from rust. i do keep my grill out side but its cover is always closed once the grill has cooled a bit It wasn't a cheap grill either - well everything is relative - but we paid between $150 and $200 for it. That's not cheap for me. I know SS grills are available but I suspect the prices are pretty steep. Does everyone see their grills disappear before their eyes or am I the only one with a grill that enjoys rusting so much? LarryT On 9/11/2014 6:10 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: Turkey friers usually run 70,000 to 95,000 btu. Lotta heat. I don't use anywhere near that much for canning. Not to knock coleman stoves, but a propane burner is much more convenient if you also have a propane grill. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] commuting by bicycle
I travel 59 miles each way on the highway with an elevation change of 300 feet that is made mostly in 2 hills. It'd be one of those where I'd have to leave for work as soon as I got home. I'd get in good shape though :) -Curt From: Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] commuting by bicycle I'm 37 miles from work on major highways with significant hills. Not really possible to commute, even it good weather. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
You sound like my wife its such a great deal we should buy it! even though we don't need it and will never use it... -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners I was at Lowes one day 3 or 4 years ago, they were having a parking lot sale cleaning out a lot of random stuff. They had 2 portable SS grills new in boxes, were like $100 originally, marked down to $20. I bought both of them just because, gave one to my son who never used it, so I got that back. Both still in the garage as I have not had occasion to use them, but for that deal... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate
One last question. If my four pole twistlock outlet is labeled 120v/240v, is there any need to test the generator, or is it safe to just assume you can power a 120v/240v breaker box with it? (I've heard that some generators don't have a solid neutral that splits the 240v outlet into two safe 120v halves, and the way to test it is to try to run a 120v light bulb off one leg of the 240v outlet) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
Well, actually I did intend to use them. Thought my son would, he was living in a Philly row house that had a deck on the roof but I think all they did was drink beer up there so he never got it out. And we used to go to the beach all the time and cook there, but here we can't drive on the beach so that has been a limiting factor. I have 2 old Char-broils, both nice aluminum bodies but cheap burners, I had bought one for my dad and had one for ages, I got his when I cleaned out their stuff, it had not been used much but the burners were rusting like on mine. Easy enough to find, but $20 or $30 every few years... My kids can deal with them when they have to clean out all my sh...tuff. --R On 9/12/14 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: You sound like my wife its such a great deal we should buy it! even though we don't need it and will never use it... -Curt *From:* Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com *To:* mercedes@okiebenz.com *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 10:23 AM *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners I was at Lowes one day 3 or 4 years ago, they were having a parking lot sale cleaning out a lot of random stuff. They had 2 portable SS grills new in boxes, were like $100 originally, marked down to $20. I bought both of them just because, gave one to my son who never used it, so I got that back. Both still in the garage as I have not had occasion to use them, but for that deal... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] turbo update 82 300td
Peter, I'll second the silent turbo on old Benzes. My 83 300D has 360,000 miles and my 80 300SD has around 425,000 miles and I've never heard the turbo in the approximately 18 years that I've owned them. I agree, if you hear the turbo, it's an exhaust leak or a bad turbo. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
Lol, I'm resisting the temptation of some copper cookware at Tuesday Morning -- I need more pots and pans like I need to be kicked down the stairs, but copper is SO nice to cook on and they are fairly reasonable. I've already replaced the Farberware my sister bought Mom 30 years ago. It's not terrible, but none of the lids fit very well anymore and everything boils dry on me. When the handle broke on the last remaining early 1960's Wearever aluminum base pan we had left and I had to tighten all the handles on the Farberware again, I bought a used Tramontina clad base 1.5 qt saucepan on eBay. Boy, was that a mistake! I know have a decent sized set of Tramontina Gourmet Tri-ply (from Walmart, ugh, although I've discovered Tuesday Morning has most of it at the same price). Nice, looks and cooks like All-clad at VERY much lower prices, and much of it is made in Brazil instead of China. Great stuff, but I also found some good deals on copper on eBay and have been collecting that, too. Easy to buy junk if you aren't careful, as there is a HUGE difference between decorative and functional copper (like Revereware -- not enough copper on there to do much of anything but make you polish it, or spun aluminum plated with enough copper to look pretty), so not every purchase I've made was a good one. However, there are good deals on beaten up, unpolished heavy copper cookware that need re-tinning -- and that just requires some tin or eutectic tin/silver solder and some acid flux, a little metal prep, and a turkey frier. Basically it's soldering, so you can get by cheap if you can re-tin stuff. Tin lined copper is a dream to cook with, heavy tri-ply stainless is almost as good. Not that I NEED any more pots and pans Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] turbo update 82 300td
On the flip side, a bad turbo will make no noise at all, since it's not turning very fast if at all. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate
I'm not sure why they would have a 120/240 socket without the genres to being wired that way. If you have the cover off the junction box it would be easy enough to check. The generator is a four lead machine, so there will be four large wires coming out typically labeled 1,2,3 4. 1 and 2 are one stator winding, 3 and 4 are another. If they are connected in parallel, the generator is wired for straight 120v. If they are wired in series and the common connection between the two is grounded and/or tied to the neutral, it's a 120/240v setup. Dan On Sep 12, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: One last question. If my four pole twistlock outlet is labeled 120v/240v, is there any need to test the generator, or is it safe to just assume you can power a 120v/240v breaker box with it? (I've heard that some generators don't have a solid neutral that splits the 240v outlet into two safe 120v halves, and the way to test it is to try to run a 120v light bulb off one leg of the 240v outlet) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
I've got an old style Ducane, bought it before Weber killed all the old aluminum ones off. After 8+ years, I finally had a problem--the rotary igniter seized. I lit it with a match through the handy holes in the front made for that purpose, then ordered a new one for something like $15. I suppose I will need to get new ceramic pyramids in a couple of more years... Admittedly the paint is a little rough on the outside; when it gets too bad I will probably strip it and use some high temp black paint on it. Also, the upper racks are plain steel and are getting rusty, so they will eventually fail, but are OK for now. The only real maintenance I do to it is to pull it apart before the first grilling of the season and ensure that the critters that may have used it in the winter are fully evicted... I also wash it down at that time. The original stainless grates and the original stainless burners are still fine. Otherwise, I let it run for 10 mins before and after each grilling, then hit it with a wire brush. I do make use of a smoke box, and can keep the temperature steady as low as 225, and have used it to smoke pork shoulders and other roasts. When it finally dies, I will probably get some kind of kamado, like a BGE... Anyhow, if you can find one (like on CL), it might be worth investigating. I think they are the 123's of gas grills. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 12, 2014, at 10:50, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, actually I did intend to use them. Thought my son would, he was living in a Philly row house that had a deck on the roof but I think all they did was drink beer up there so he never got it out. And we used to go to the beach all the time and cook there, but here we can't drive on the beach so that has been a limiting factor. I have 2 old Char-broils, both nice aluminum bodies but cheap burners, I had bought one for my dad and had one for ages, I got his when I cleaned out their stuff, it had not been used much but the burners were rusting like on mine. Easy enough to find, but $20 or $30 every few years... My kids can deal with them when they have to clean out all my sh...tuff. --R On 9/12/14 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: You sound like my wife its such a great deal we should buy it! even though we don't need it and will never use it... -Curt *From:* Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com *To:* mercedes@okiebenz.com *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 10:23 AM *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners I was at Lowes one day 3 or 4 years ago, they were having a parking lot sale cleaning out a lot of random stuff. They had 2 portable SS grills new in boxes, were like $100 originally, marked down to $20. I bought both of them just because, gave one to my son who never used it, so I got that back. Both still in the garage as I have not had occasion to use them, but for that deal... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
We too have a Vermont Castings BBQ at home. I think it is 10 or more years old. Cannot recall exactly how long we have had it. It is different than the one you describe as it has 3 stainless steel tube burners that run front to back and W shaped heat shields and no rock or ceramics. It was relatively expensive when new and we have done nothing in terms of repair, but are now at the point where we need to do something. It either needs to be repaired or replaced. The burner tubes are going bad. I think the holes enlarge over time. Also the ceramic coated heat shields are wearing out. The main tilting cover looks like new and is very well made. However the structure that it mounts to is not quite as robust. It is starting to rust. I might be able to clean it well enough to coat it with high temp paint but it is getting to the point where I wonder if just buying a new one makes more sense than buying the parts for repair. Out at the lake, we have an old BBQ. A Char Broil I think, with a cast iron heating element. I replaced the element a couple of years ago and we have replaced the upper and lower grids a number of times. My guess is that it is 40 years or so old. It was given to my father in about 1980 and it was not new then. It is a bit small by current standards and it heats a bit unevenly - hotter on the right side but so far has served us well. We lost the rubber on one of the tires a year or two back and I should really replace the wheels. I have a number of old lawn mower wheels that should work. It also does not have a mount for the propane cylinder. The original owner had it hooked onto a big tank with a long hose. We replaced the hose a few years back and just use a 20# tank but it means hauling the BBQ and the tank out from under the porch roof into the yard to use it. I should make a mount for the tank as that would also make it easier to use. My younger son keeps encouraging me to buy a new one for the lake but I see little really wrong with what we have. RB who finds the new pellet stove style BBQ's intriguing too On 12/09/2014 9:12 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: That sounds about right. Remember the price of grills hasn't risen appreciably in the last 15 years. We looked at grills for camp and decided on a KMart $99 unit which has served us surprisingly well. At home I have a Vermont Castings unit that a co-worker replaced with a $600 Webber. The VC I got cost around $600 20 years ago. I would submit that a good grill is in the $500-$800 range and if you're going to spend less you should get the $100 cheapo. I will note that my home grill is due for some love, its burning quite yellow. I need to take a look in the burner and see if the air tubes are plugged, at the very least I should clean out the accumulated schmutz. I've had the thing 5 or 6 years and have maintained it not at all. When I got it I put a new cast iron (as opposed to the pressed steel the cheapies use) burner in but thats all. It could use new ceramic radiants (as opposed to lava rocks) too. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius
Sounds insanely cheap. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Friday, 12 September 2014, 04:48AM -0400 from John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net: How about a cheap new vehicle. Lease a smart ED with the battery assurance plus (BAP). Note that MBUSA has captured and retained the $7500 federal incentive, but it's passed on to you anyway. The finance charges on the lease work out to about 1%. Anyhow, the official deal is $999 down and $139/mo for 36 months, with 30k miles over the life of the lease. In Maryland, with taxes, tags, destination fee, etc, it's $3250 down (but it qualifies for a $2200 rebate from MD MVA) and $145/mo. -j. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 11, 2014, at 10:59, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah right, I've got a bridge to sell you. Nobody I know with a Prius that drives an extensive highway commute gets 45mpg, 35-40 is the norm. -Curt From: archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net ; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Prius get 40 to 45 mpg minimum on the highway. Plug-in Prius gets 95 mpg combined city and highway. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2012_Toyota_Prius.shtml Gerry On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:46:20 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A Prius for me would be a problem, I do way too much open road driving, where they get 22mpg. Takes a lot of gasoline to haul that huge battery down the highway for half an hour with no regenerative braking. They do great in town, but not so good long distance. My uncle likes his, bought it when they first came out, but he hasn't driven outside suburban conditions for decades. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8194 - Release Date: 09/11/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generator doesn't generate
A lot of portable generators have the white wire tied to the bare/green ground; that is the grounded conductor is tied to the grounding one. This makes the generator a separately derived power source, which needs special treatment. The underlying issue is that (for safety reasons), the grounded and grounding conductors can only be tied at one point, and that point is just after your main disconnect, which is usually your main panel. If you notice, any subpanels have the tie removed (as it should). There are two possible ways to correctly handle this. One is to have a subpanel with a three pole two position disconnect. Both poles and the white (neutral) would need to be switched. One position would connect to a feed from the main panel, the other would need to connect to the generator. This method would require a dedicated grounding rod to be connected to the generator. The other, and simpler method is to disconnect the tie between the grounded and grounding conductors in the generator circuitry (if possible). No additional ground rod is needed. To be truly correct, you would still need to use either a two pole two position disconnect type switch (without switching the neutral), or more properly to use a separate feed breaker for the generator input (using a breaker that is appropriately rated for the generator!) and a panel faceplate that physically prevents both the breaker on the feed from the main panel and the feed from the breaker from being on at the same time. In either case, the input to the house from the generator should accept the receptacle end of an extension cord so as to prevent any attempts to use the input as a normal circuit. (Don'tcha love code compliance?) You'll probably want to verify the above with a local electrician, but based upon my limited understanding of the code as a layperson, the above methods should be largely correct. YMMV, IANAL, and all the usual disclaimers... -j. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 12, 2014, at 11:38, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm not sure why they would have a 120/240 socket without the genres to being wired that way. If you have the cover off the junction box it would be easy enough to check. The generator is a four lead machine, so there will be four large wires coming out typically labeled 1,2,3 4. 1 and 2 are one stator winding, 3 and 4 are another. If they are connected in parallel, the generator is wired for straight 120v. If they are wired in series and the common connection between the two is grounded and/or tied to the neutral, it's a 120/240v setup. Dan On Sep 12, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: One last question. If my four pole twistlock outlet is labeled 120v/240v, is there any need to test the generator, or is it safe to just assume you can power a 120v/240v breaker box with it? (I've heard that some generators don't have a solid neutral that splits the 240v outlet into two safe 120v halves, and the way to test it is to try to run a 120v light bulb off one leg of the 240v outlet) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] commuting by bicycle
you should try to ride on the beach down here On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I ride all year around here, I like the summer warmth. 3.5mi down to the beach, a mile or two on the beach, then back, clears the head and gets the blood flowing. --R On 9/11/14 6:42 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote: summer are brutal for riding. i really only ride about 6 or 7 months a year down here. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: In Washington DC summers, a man on a bike can only go about three blocks before bursting into flame. It is even worse than down here in the Low Country. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Sep 11, 2014 5:01 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: just ride easier. that kind of distance is an easy twiddle of the pedals; i do further than that in work clothes frequently (albeit not in a full suit), even when i have meetings, and don't arrive significantly sweatier or any less presentable than i usually am,... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT BBQ
Just took a look online. Appears that Vermont Castings has given up on my model as they show almost all of the parts as not in stock. Aftermarket parts appear to be available but also appears that it will cost at least $200 to replace the 3 burner tubes at roughly $25 each and about the same for the heat shields. Add on some tax and we will hit $200 pretty quickly. Wish I knew if the aftermarket parts will be OK or if they will be junk that does not last. What are my odds??? RB On 12/09/2014 9:12 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: That sounds about right. Remember the price of grills hasn't risen appreciably in the last 15 years. We looked at grills for camp and decided on a KMart $99 unit which has served us surprisingly well. At home I have a Vermont Castings unit that a co-worker replaced with a $600 Webber. The VC I got cost around $600 20 years ago. I would submit that a good grill is in the $500-$800 range and if you're going to spend less you should get the $100 cheapo. I will note that my home grill is due for some love, its burning quite yellow. I need to take a look in the burner and see if the air tubes are plugged, at the very least I should clean out the accumulated schmutz. I've had the thing 5 or 6 years and have maintained it not at all. When I got it I put a new cast iron (as opposed to the pressed steel the cheapies use) burner in but thats all. It could use new ceramic radiants (as opposed to lava rocks) too. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT BBQ
The burner I put in mine is aftermarket, its been great. Remember that you're not going to be able to buy much of a grill for $200. Have you tried cleaning yours? Again if its mostly yellow flames maybe theres something clogging an air intake? -Curt From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT BBQ Just took a look online. Appears that Vermont Castings has given up on my model as they show almost all of the parts as not in stock. Aftermarket parts appear to be available but also appears that it will cost at least $200 to replace the 3 burner tubes at roughly $25 each and about the same for the heat shields. Add on some tax and we will hit $200 pretty quickly. Wish I knew if the aftermarket parts will be OK or if they will be junk that does not last. What are my odds??? RB On 12/09/2014 9:12 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: That sounds about right. Remember the price of grills hasn't risen appreciably in the last 15 years. We looked at grills for camp and decided on a KMart $99 unit which has served us surprisingly well. At home I have a Vermont Castings unit that a co-worker replaced with a $600 Webber. The VC I got cost around $600 20 years ago. I would submit that a good grill is in the $500-$800 range and if you're going to spend less you should get the $100 cheapo. I will note that my home grill is due for some love, its burning quite yellow. I need to take a look in the burner and see if the air tubes are plugged, at the very least I should clean out the accumulated schmutz. I've had the thing 5 or 6 years and have maintained it not at all. When I got it I put a new cast iron (as opposed to the pressed steel the cheapies use) burner in but thats all. It could use new ceramic radiants (as opposed to lava rocks) too. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT BBQ
I will have a look but I think the issue is that the burner tubes are wearing out. RB On 12/09/2014 11:20 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: The burner I put in mine is aftermarket, its been great. Remember that you're not going to be able to buy much of a grill for $200. Have you tried cleaning yours? Again if its mostly yellow flames maybe theres something clogging an air intake? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] commuting by bicycle
Andrew could best answer that, but i was thinking he's in the DC area, and if he's going into the office in Foggy Bottom, i don't recall much around there that's not flat. (even places like Capitol Heights and Oxon Hill aren't more than a couple-hunnert feet elevation. you can get closer to 400' out toward Bethesda, but that's on the far end of the commute range he described.) yes, i recall some of the hills in that part of the world can be short and fairly steep, but modern bicycle gearing goes so low that it makes easy work of those; Granny Gears are your friend. Sit and Spin!;-) (disclaimer; my perspective may admittedly be a bit skewed; i can hardly do a recreational ride around here of over an hour or 2 that doesn't involve a couple thousand feet of climbing. i've been doing this for fun since i started on Extended Touring bikes carrying all my camping gear, so i'm pretty comfortable with Granny.) all that said, if someone's got to wear the PA Ave uniform to work, this admittedly might not work in the high temps and humidity that that area is plagued with. i used to deal with a similar situation by driving in once or twice a week to carry office clothes in, so i could ride in the rest of the time in something more cycle-friendly. cheers! e On 12/Sep/14 03:19, John Reames wrote: I don't know whether his commute is flat or not. I have a 9.3 mile commute, which sounds nice and easy, but then you look at a topo map... In mine, the peak elevation is 397ft, the lowest is 59ft. In the first 2-2.5 miles, there is a single rise of 150ft in 0.2 miles distance, followed by a drop of 75ft in 0.1 miles, followed by a rise of 75ft in 0.1 miles. The rest of the morning commute doesn't have any rises over about 55ft, and is basically downhill to the end at 62ft of elevation. A nice relaxed 9.3 mile bike ride. BTW, If driving an electric car is drinking the [green] Kool-Aid (not to be confused with flavoraid of Jonestown fame), then at least the smart ED is proper German [green] Kool-Aid. (And for bonus points, http://www.forbes.com/pictures/ehmk45mgef/1-smart-fortwo-electric-drive/ ... For those times when you really want to annoy people with a greener-than-thou attitude.) -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net mailto:jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 11, 2014, at 17:01, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: just ride easier. that kind of distance is an easy twiddle of the pedals; i do further than that in work clothes frequently (albeit not in a full suit), even when i have meetings, and don't arrive significantly sweatier or any less presentable than i usually am,... cheers! e On 11/Sep/14 10:39, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Nah, I'd get too sweaty. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I hadn't noticed the RT when I read the post originally. With that in mind a bicycle is indeed the absolute best choice. Considering where Andrew is he'd easily get 8 months of riding in each year. If you're worried about being sweaty in the morning get one of those electric assist bikes. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Bike! --R On 9/11/14 10:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] loud motorcycles
if you don't go into riding a motorcycle in traffic with the same mindset you'd take into a Special Op in a Hot Zone, it's likely not going to be safe and/or fun for long. i have to be prepared to expect that people are likely to not see me and accept that, or there's no point in suiting up to ride. (and because i know Caca Pasa, i never ride without going ATGATT; helmet, rally suit, real moto boots, All The Gear All The Time.) that said, i'll try to do what i can to stack the odds a little more in my favor, while knowing the shortcomings of each effort and not betting my life on any of it doing me any good. reflective stuff is great, and i use lots of it, but it only works when the background is dark and the lights that are shining on it are inline with the observers eyes; that's not often enough. modulated headlights (pulsing headlight[s]) are only one light; i personally believe that a rack of lights of various sizes and colors and in an unusual configuration is the best bet at getting that wait; WTF?! reaction that i need to give me the millisecond i need. (along with full-time running lights front and rear, i use a pair of 7.5 diameter 85W fog lights with yellow lenses mounted very close to the machine to present a sort of triangle configuration. it's not likely to be easily lost in the background traffic, and isn't like much of anything else seen on the road.) light-colored suit with lots of red; minimal black for this kid. white helmet; not because it might be cooler in the sunlight, but because it's the highest part of the moto/rider, and very easily seen/recognized. attached is a snap from an event i recently worked MotoHam for; let's see if this gets through. i might consider some of the fluorescent/Hi-Viz colored stuff that's now becoming more common in the US like what we've been using in bicycling for years already (and like what LEOs use in countries where motor-cops take the job more seriously), but i'll have to decide amongst what's available that fits when i go shopping for a helmet and/or suit again in the future. oMB content; here where we have a substantial fleet of (largely vegetarian) 617s mixed in with every possible new MBZ available (are they all Grey?), it seems like i'm more likely to have a stupid-incident with the drivers of the newer (allegedly 'better') MBZs than the older ones. my theory is that it's because the people those new 2-year throw-away MBZs appeal to just aren't 'Drivers' and 'Car People' like the ones that are keeping the old ones on the road... cheers! e On 10/Sep/14 12:18, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I stopped riding a few years ago because I felt like I had a bullseye on my back no matter what efforts I took to be as visible as possible. These included reflective stripes on my gear and a pulsing headlight. I still felt like people were either anion at me or being so flipping inattentive I was quite likely to be hit. Dan On Sep 10, 2014, at 3:04 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: after a few decades of motorcycling, i'd say that a lot of the bike folks are wrong. you're much more likely to be taken out on a motorcycle by someone who doesn't see you and turns in front of you than by anyone who would have been within hearing distance of anything humanly bearable, and that doesn't even begin to take into account people that can't hear and/or are ensconced in their sound-proof capsules. (this might not be readily apparent to a lot of the bike folks who never really ride out of town, but by the time anyone would know where the noise is coming from, it's already too late...) *if* someone were to hear a motorcycle, that doesn't necessarily tell them where it is, and (IMHO) only increases the risk created by someone looking away from what they're supposed to be doing (DRIVING!) by looking around for where the sound might be coming from. i think the nail was hit on the head with Drivers do not pay enough attention; if people would simply pay attention to what's actually happening instead of just what they *expect*, we'd all be a lot safer on the road. cheers! e On 10/Sep/14 08:33, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I believe a lot of the bike folks think that loud is good as it makes them more noticable. Drivers do not pay enough attention and it is easy to miss a motorcycle. I can say that I have heard bikes coming before I have seen them. Randy who would not want to ride one the noisy ones very far PS - As you get older, do you find that you have more issues with spelling? I am looking at the message above and wondering if noticable and noisy are correct. Wierd. On 09/09/2014 7:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Man some days it feels like it. Makes you want to swerve over when one sits next to you at a light constantly blipping the throttle. Harley owners are generally a menace. A couple years ago they
[MBZ] Subject: Re: N
With all of the statistics and claims made about gun ownership, no one has mentioned the huge number of people SAVED through the defensive use of a gun each year. You'll never read about it in the main stream media but there have been several studies done that indicate numbers between 500,000 and 2,000,000 per year in the US. Here's an excerpt from just one, a CDC study ordered by Obama in Jan 2013: “Defensive uses of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a),” the study reads. “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).” Guns are a tool, a great way to level the playing field that allows the weak and small to defend themselves from the thugs. Remember, the courts have stated numerous times that the police have no duty to protect you. Safe driving, AT From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Subject: Re: [MBZ] N Date: September 10, 2014 8:38:57 AM PDT To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com, Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com *U.S. vs. The World* *Last year, handguns killed 48 people in Japan, 8 in Great Britain, 34 in Switzerland, 52 in Canada, 58 in Israel, 21 in Sweden, 42 in West Germany and 10,728 in the United States.* (Half True http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2012/dec/23/facebook-posts/facebook-posting-handgun-deaths-has-out-date-numbe/) The numbers are wildly out of date. They also omit important context, such as population size. But the odds of being murdered by a gun in the United States is far in excess of the risk in the listed countries. More quick google research so take it for what it is worth, but this site says the odds are much greater in the USA than in Canada. RB who knows lots of people that he would not want to see carrying a gun ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] N
I notice that the article focuses on the victims only. Wouldn't any attempt to solve the problem need to focus on the perpetrators rather than the victims? Why is it only GUN violence that we wish to combat? Why not attack VIOLENCE as the root problem rather than focus only on guns? Remember that before guns existed rule was by the class of professional fighters such as knights and samurai who spent their lives training. Look at history and see that democracy and firearms evolved concurrently. Without firearms the thugs rule. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:42 AM To: Randy Bennell; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] N Here's an interesting new study on gun violence, and associated costs, by the Urban Institute: http://blog.metrotrends.org/2014/08/costs-gun-violence-hospital-price-tag/ On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Probably true but you know what they say about statistics. And, I assume your odds of dying in gun violence are a lot higher in the USA than they are in Canada. RB On 09/09/2014 7:02 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: More people die of: Heart disease (by almost a factor of 20) and Medical Mistakes. Statistically speaking your chance of dying in gun violence is astonishingly small. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] N
Dude, that was like...2 years ago! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 12:24 PM To: Mitch Haley; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] N That's ancient history. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What anti-gun laws? Possession of handguns by non-government employees was totally banned in both District of Criminals and Chitcago for decades before recently being overturned by the Supreme Court. And by totally banned, I mean they considered it a felony to have one inside your home that you never took anywhere. OTOH, if you were an anti-gun newspaper writer, it was not only OK to have a handgun, you could shoot a kid for swimming in your pool without permission and not face charges. (Carl Rowan) Most people would consider that an anti-gun law. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] loud motorcycles
Earnest, can't see your (helmeted) head, it's lost in the clouds I'm with you on the lights, in college I used to ride a bicycle at night often, front and rear generator-powered lights really didn't cut it, when the flashing LED lights came out, I mounted one on the back of the bike and another on the back of my helmet. Wanted to add another white LED light on my helmet facing forward, so I looked like a UFO... Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] good story
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Re: [MBZ] good story
That was good. The Electra had the small motor at 401 cid. I think most would likely have had the 455 cid. As he says, lots of torque. My b-in-l has a Ventura (think Nova) with a 455 and it will smoke the tires as long as you want to hold down the go pedal. RB On 12/09/2014 3:05 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: http://jalopnik.com/what-its-like-to-drive-classic-v8-cruisers-from-mercede-1616560506 ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
