Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
We tried that with the local dealer, and they could not source them. Calipers are ok, Dr. fatty got the rotors too. It took a while for him to track them down because EPC had the numbers, but they were not in inventory according to Gary. I think we paid $200 for both rotors clay On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Clay, I’m not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC and the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers. They’re a 1404210312, $129/each for the discs. This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct? Gimme a VIN. I’ll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB. Dan On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:26 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: It is the rare and quite retarded 1992 300SE The car has a few quirks that were addressed in the 1993 edition and then fully standardized after 1994. Brake rotors are special to this model, as are the calipers. The 93 has upgraded braking parts (300 series) but not the same as the standardized 94+ Early engine management and not OBD compliant Biodegradable wire harness that is not the same as used on the 93 (expensive to learn that one) Single year transmission that is not compliant with others in the line up A few other fiddly bits that were transition items from the w126 to the w140. I suspect this was also an early example, so problems were resolved down the line. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Oh my god
There is a fellow here has had a stretch w116 on CL for the past three years. Finally has the price down to $6k, but still too high. I think he tossed a chebby motor in the thing clay On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:14 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/4829646679.html via cPro Craigslist App iOS: http://bit.ly/CL_iOS Android: http://bit.ly/CL_android Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Oh my god
G wrote: 1. Engine seized, but I can get it running. 2. Air blows ice cold. 3. Hardly any rust [in the missing floor boards]. 4. It will buff right out. Slight parking lot dent in rear quarter panels. 5. Original Mercedes paint. [where ever there is still paint] 6. Slight assembly required. I can show you where everything goes [if I can find it after setting abandoned for the last decade.] 7. Tires have high tread [just slightly dry rotted, but the hold air.] 8. Firm on price, Only a few of these were ever made [and apparently the guy was burned at the stake] Did I leave anything out guys, or does this one get the Darwin Awards for most outrageous listing? It's a W115 type - right? The blower motor works fine - at least it did 30 years ago. Converted to a Chevy engine - but I can't seem to find the engine and one of the old motor mounts is still in there, but it should just bolt together. It comes with a divider window. It's in the truck, I think, and I haven't ever seen the regulator for it nor has the body been altered so there isn't a place to mount it yet. I can show you where it should go. Please call - but I'm not including a 'phone number. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
I loved the R series beemers. A real bike I have not gotten hands on a R129 at the PnP,. but did source both rotors and calipers from a '94 w140. Not at all the same as what was on the car to begin with, which is why I got Gary involved in finding what was needed. clay On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Clay, I'm not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC and the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers. They're a 1404210312, $129/each for the discs. This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct? Gimme a VIN. I'll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB. Dan Sounds like Clay got ripped. Whoever this Sexy and fretful parts goddess, is she'd better look good. Telling him they were NLA and only could be found in SA (ZA) is a scam. Aside from that, knowing how MB works, they probably fit a R129 or some other chassis also. Brake rotors are not that unusual. One of the things I loved was that BMW motorcycle cyl base gaskets and valve cover gaskets from about 1950 to 1980 or later could be interchanged. Much of the technology changed around them, but parts were not changed just because some enginerror could. The converse is one of the reasons I hate Micro$haft Every year they break software that works and build something that doesn't just because they can. Basically, it it had overhead pushrods, the gaskets were the same. When they turned the engine upside down, then things changed. Even more so when they decided to add extra cylinders and a water jacket. I still don't consider those real BMWs. A real BMW has 2 jugs and a shaft, and the jugs go in and out at the same time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?
Look on ebay for that model if you want another like it, you can probably find one dirt cheap and just swap out the HD to keep all your stuff. Or buck up and buy a newer machine, which is likely crap, but it will be newer. I needed one to replace an old laptop I was using on my CNC machine, found one for $29 from a seller of used gummint stuff in DC, was up there so popped by their place and picked one up. They had stacks of them. Popped in the HD and off it went... --R On 1/4/15 6:25 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Dan, It's an HP Pavilion dv6700, the service tag says dv6809wm. I can send you the s/n and p/n if needed. I would be glad to attempt replacing the cable (or other parts). Is there a sure way to diagnose? Let me know if you have a source for parts. Thanks, Max On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Probably the cable from the main board to the inverter. Could be the inverter or a lamp, but I would bet on the cable first. A fairly easy DIY repair if you're careful and take your time. What's the model number? Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
My apologies for Ernie-ing you. I should have known better, since I find it irksome when the occasional lister Andies me. On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 11:52 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: agreed! one reason i wish i could still rely on the W123. but that's going to be a non-issue if we can't get the dang thing to drive. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 20:35, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, I guess I can't resist either. Here I go: God help you should you get into an accident with your Cheep or your early nineties camry tin can. I'd much rather be in a w123 Mercedes. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:26 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count on you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised it didn't show up before now! for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was NLA for either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch button for the J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been great; much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better than for the W123. it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes the difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not while you're on the road. regards, e On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european car and every indian and african built car. If you want reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat. Or walk. How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have? How many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess. But that does not mean that you can't get parts. I don't consider my cars a hobby. But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep running. The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable. You can buy what you want. As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep them running. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mixed bag on car repairs today
Finally got around to fixing the TE today, replaced one rear bearing, will do the other next weekend probably since this one was such a pain. Attaboy! I found the same problems you had on my 124 wagons. I took the carrier off and took it to a shop along with the new parts in all cases. I had read that the bearing was impossible to change without a press. I had a tar shop that was reasonable to press suspension stuff. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
There is an outfit here in town that has developed some sort of alchemical process by which whiskey can be aged to taste like the real deal in only a few days. Apparently it works, somehow. They have started a distillery in Owensboro, KY to make their stuff. A buddy of mine was an early investor in them, does not know anything about the product but thought the idea interesting enough to shovel some dinero into. They are called Terressentia. --R On 1/4/15 9:51 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: What determines the pricing criteria - age? The two grades are age-based. The extra-spendy third was a barrel they opened and said: Ooooh! So they marked it up even more and gave it its own name. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack
The closest thing we have to a farm store around here is Tractor Supply. The reviews on their Big Red 3 ton jack are poor at best. I've had very bad lucky buying tools there anyway, the worst pair of vicelocks I've ever had came from there. I bought a high lift jack there two years ago and while its adequate nobody would call it good. Sadly you can buy a real HiLift jack from Amazon for about the same money. My rule is now No tools from TSC and after I bought potting soil there that killed everything it touched No gardening supplies from TSC which is sad because I bought one of the best pairs of hiking boots I've ever had the first time I ever went to a TSC. They were Colombia brand which TSC stopped carrying shortly after. The only thing I buy at TSC now is bolts since they're by the pound. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack Curt, This is the jack I have two of. http://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/larin-3-ton-floor-jack/36087 These are very good, but don't cost $500. Well worth the $100 plus freight. The paint is different on this one. Both of mine are orange. Oh, and I was wrong at 60 lb. This website says 83 lb. Check your local farm stores. With 2, I can jack up both sides at once, or front and back at once. Some of the jacks HF sells now are the same as crapsman, but without as big of a price. Beware! Those are crappy jacks. The HF racing jacks are reported to be good for the money. 20% off coupon for HF at HarborFreight.com They had a 25% off coupon for last thurs. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
I adore Calvados. Where can I get the domestic version? On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Templeton Rye was recently and publicly busted for this. However, as in almost everything, there are some people trying to do it right. Mike Beck at Uncle Johns in St. Johns, MI has a real still and makes apple brandy and vodka. There are many others. http://www.ujhardcider.com/spirits.html the usual disclaimers... As with any food product, if you know who grows it and who processes it, you generally won't go wrong. I read an article recently that suggested that the vast majority of microdistilled whiskey all comes from one big factory where it is repackaged for the various other companies.Apparently all you need to do is design a label, pick out what bottle you want and they'll produce all you need... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
I think what they are doing is getting industrial ethanol from the various plants that make it for gasoline additives or whatever, then dilute it and age it in barrels, either in their warehouses or someone else's. There are some stringent rules about bonding the stuff, Unkie wants either his tax money now if you don't store it in a bonded warehouse, or later if it is in one, when it is ready to bottle and sell. There is a local rich guy who started a little distillery https://www.charlestondistilling.com/ , we went down there and took a tour and a tasting of his stuff. He has the fermenting tanks, uses corn that is grown on a farm that belongs to an uncle of one of his distillerers (master distiller I think they are called), and has a coupla really nice big copper stills from Germany I think. He has some barrels in a room, but has pretty much filled it as it is not too big, and is not really ideal for aging. He said he was looking to get a warehouse or barn or something out my way, get it bonded, then he wouldn't have to pay taxes for ever how many years he is aging it. They make vodka, gin, and some liqueurs, all very good stuff. I had some of the vodka, which I do not normally care for, but it actually had a very nice subtle flavor that was enjoyable. We bought a bottle of their bourbon barrel gin, which is very interesting. They had a batch of gin stewing in a tank, they just let the botanicals sit in the alcohol, don't do the distillation process. You could pretty much make your own gin that way with vodka or Everclear. You can buy the used bourbon barrels fairly cheaply, new ones have become quite pricey. This guy had to go to Missouri and get his new ones, and beg for some. Terresentia's process is quite proprietary, even my buddy (MD/PhD in biochem) who invested doesn't know how they do it. --R On 1/5/15 10:34 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I read an article recently that suggested that the vast majority of microdistilled whiskey all comes from one big factory where it is repackaged for the various other companies.Apparently all you need to do is design a label, pick out what bottle you want and they'll produce all you need... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I would be very skeptical of this idea. Any clue as to how they do it? If it involves the addition of un-natural resources I would steer clear. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There is an outfit here in town that has developed some sort of alchemical process by which whiskey can be aged to taste like the real deal in only a few days. Apparently it works, somehow. They have started a distillery in Owensboro, KY to make their stuff. A buddy of mine was an early investor in them, does not know anything about the product but thought the idea interesting enough to shovel some dinero into. They are called Terressentia. --R On 1/4/15 9:51 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: What determines the pricing criteria - age? The two grades are age-based. The extra-spendy third was a barrel they opened and said: Ooooh! So they marked it up even more and gave it its own name. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
Templeton Rye was recently and publicly busted for this. However, as in almost everything, there are some people trying to do it right. Mike Beck at Uncle Johns in St. Johns, MI has a real still and makes apple brandy and vodka. There are many others. http://www.ujhardcider.com/spirits.html the usual disclaimers... As with any food product, if you know who grows it and who processes it, you generally won't go wrong. I read an article recently that suggested that the vast majority of microdistilled whiskey all comes from one big factory where it is repackaged for the various other companies.Apparently all you need to do is design a label, pick out what bottle you want and they'll produce all you need... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] W123 Fuel Sending Unit
Ebay: around $80 Here: http://www.ecklersmbzparts.com/mercedes-sending-unit-fuel-gauge-123-chassis-7614.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?
Well, whenever I think of a push car, the family's '37 Ford blocks out everything else, and everybody, including a 7-year-old little boy, in the family had to be strong. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Craig diese...@pisquared.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] So what do I want? Maybe but my thought was of push cars for little folks and that all one needed was a strong father. RB On 05/01/2015 2:05 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 12:22:10 -0500 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: NOTHING is more worthless than a car that ya hafta push. Kaleb, Here's one for the quotes page! Craig ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
Uh, Gruet. And it is tasty. --R On 1/5/15 4:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote: Quite a bargain at under $15/bottle. Brand name please! I will look for this next time I want some reasonably priced Champagne. Greg From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 1:01 PM To: Greg Fiorentino; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year Helas; vive la difference... There is a passably good domestic champagne, however. The Gruet family from Champagne searched all over the US some years back for a place to plant their New World vineyards and discovered the PERFECT terroir for growing champagne grapes - in New Mexico! The grapes grow on the banks of the Rio Grande a couple hundred miles south of Albuquerque near Elephant Butte. Great taste, small bubbles and fermented IN THE BOTTLE. Quite a bargain at under $15/bottle. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I too am a Calvados fan. I have never encountered any US apple brandy that is remotely similar or as good. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:34 AM To: Curly McLain; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I adore Calvados. Where can I get the domestic version? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
It is the rare and quite retarded 1992 300SE The car has a few quirks that were addressed in the 1993 edition and then fully standardized after 1994. Brake rotors are special to this model, as are the calipers. The 93 has upgraded braking parts (300 series) but not the same as the standardized 94+ Early engine management and not OBD compliant Biodegradable wire harness that is not the same as used on the 93 (expensive to learn that one) Single year transmission that is not compliant with others in the line up A few other fiddly bits that were transition items from the w126 to the w140. I suspect this was also an early example, so problems were resolved down the line. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 5, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Tell me more about this W140. I was of the impression nearly all parts across the W140 chassis are common, so I'm confused as to why these couldn't be sourced from a dealer (or elsewhere?) Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 5, 2015, at 3:51 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Our Sexy and fretful parts goddess, the Great and Wonderful Wizard of FL, was able to scour the world to get one of the few remaining front disk sets for the w140 300SE. They were found in South Africa. Seems Mandela had been hoarding them in some island prison. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes wrote: as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested in). don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours. these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem getting a fair price for it from someone. cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
On Jan 5, 2015 4:26 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Early engine management and not OBD compliant Yikes. As a silver lining, I assume this means you have the early, hot rod engine tune? That would explain the 15 mpg. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Tell me more about this W140. I was of the impression nearly all parts across the W140 chassis are common, so I'm confused as to why these couldn't be sourced from a dealer (or elsewhere?) Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 5, 2015, at 3:51 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Our Sexy and fretful parts goddess, the Great and Wonderful Wizard of FL, was able to scour the world to get one of the few remaining front disk sets for the w140 300SE. They were found in South Africa. Seems Mandela had been hoarding them in some island prison. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes wrote: as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested in). don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours. these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem getting a fair price for it from someone. cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 Fuel Sending Unit
G. wrote: I ordered the 0.202mm Nichrome wire and repaired both units. From where did you order the wire? Curious minds want to know. Well, at least my mind wants to. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Oh my god
Free? Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Clay, I’m not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC and the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers. They’re a 1404210312, $129/each for the discs. This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct? Gimme a VIN. I’ll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB. Dan On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:26 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: It is the rare and quite retarded 1992 300SE The car has a few quirks that were addressed in the 1993 edition and then fully standardized after 1994. Brake rotors are special to this model, as are the calipers. The 93 has upgraded braking parts (300 series) but not the same as the standardized 94+ Early engine management and not OBD compliant Biodegradable wire harness that is not the same as used on the 93 (expensive to learn that one) Single year transmission that is not compliant with others in the line up A few other fiddly bits that were transition items from the w126 to the w140. I suspect this was also an early example, so problems were resolved down the line. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Oh my god
1. Engine seized, but I can get it running. 2. Air blows ice cold. 3. Hardly any rust [in the missing floor boards]. 4. It will buff right out. Slight parking lot dent in rear quarter panels. 5. Original Mercedes paint. [where ever there is still paint] 6. Slight assembly required. I can show you where everything goes [if I can find it after setting abandoned for the last decade.] 7. Tires have high tread [just slightly dry rotted, but the hold air.] 8. Firm on price, Only a few of these were ever made [and apparently the guy was burned at the stake] Did I leave anything out guys, or does this one get the Darwin Awards for most outrageous listing? On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Free? Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Templeton Rye was recently and publicly busted for this. However, as in almost everything, there are some people trying to do it right. Mike Beck at Uncle Johns in St. Johns, MI has a real still and makes apple brandy and vodka. There are many others. That's quite close to me. Haven't been there since I was a little kid living in Dewitt, but I work in Dewitt now so in the winter I'm within 10 miles of the place on a daily basis. I wonder if it's the same family as Beck's Propane, Beck's Trailers, Beck's Marine... Mitch. Dunno. I wondered too, but never asked. The family has been there for 4-6 generations, so I am guessing they are all related somehow. Granny Back died. John Beck is now the patriarch. Mike is his son. Mike makes good stuff. Over the past week we had sparkling Peach wine, Perry and Hard Cider from Mike's works. Along with that we had a bottle of Jim Koan's Scrumpy http://organicscrumpy.com/ (Flint, MI) and 2 bottles of my very tasty and very bubbly apple champagne for New Years. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
*Helas; vive la difference...* There is a passably good domestic champagne, however. The Gruet family from Champagne searched all over the US some years back for a place to plant their New World vineyards and discovered the PERFECT terroir for growing champagne grapes - in New Mexico! The grapes grow on the banks of the Rio Grande a couple hundred miles south of Albuquerque near Elephant Butte. Great taste, small bubbles and fermented IN THE BOTTLE. Quite a bargain at under $15/bottle. That sounds like a good one to try. WHat's it called? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Oh my god
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/4829646679.html via cPro Craigslist App iOS: http://bit.ly/CL_iOS Android: http://bit.ly/CL_android Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
Not only is most of it distilled in one place, that place is not even in Kentucky! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Clay, I'm not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC and the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers. They're a 1404210312, $129/each for the discs. This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct? Gimme a VIN. I'll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB. Dan Sounds like Clay got ripped. Whoever this Sexy and fretful parts goddess, is she'd better look good. Telling him they were NLA and only could be found in SA (ZA) is a scam. Aside from that, knowing how MB works, they probably fit a R129 or some other chassis also. Brake rotors are not that unusual. One of the things I loved was that BMW motorcycle cyl base gaskets and valve cover gaskets from about 1950 to 1980 or later could be interchanged. Much of the technology changed around them, but parts were not changed just because some enginerror could. The converse is one of the reasons I hate Micro$haft Every year they break software that works and build something that doesn't just because they can. Basically, it it had overhead pushrods, the gaskets were the same. When they turned the engine upside down, then things changed. Even more so when they decided to add extra cylinders and a water jacket. I still don't consider those real BMWs. A real BMW has 2 jugs and a shaft, and the jugs go in and out at the same time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Oh my god
ROFL. Complete with build a car instruction booklet. I'd call it a nightmare but it's far worse. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:20 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 1. Engine seized, but I can get it running. 2. Air blows ice cold. 3. Hardly any rust [in the missing floor boards]. 4. It will buff right out. Slight parking lot dent in rear quarter panels. 5. Original Mercedes paint. [where ever there is still paint] 6. Slight assembly required. I can show you where everything goes [if I can find it after setting abandoned for the last decade.] 7. Tires have high tread [just slightly dry rotted, but the hold air.] 8. Firm on price, Only a few of these were ever made [and apparently the guy was burned at the stake] Did I leave anything out guys, or does this one get the Darwin Awards for most outrageous listing? On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Free? Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Oh my god
40 mpg; MB engine wasn't good enough for this car, so I had it professionally converted to Chevy V8. Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh my god ROFL. Complete with build a car instruction booklet. I'd call it a nightmare but it's far worse. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:20 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 1. Engine seized, but I can get it running. 2. Air blows ice cold. 3. Hardly any rust [in the missing floor boards]. 4. It will buff right out. Slight parking lot dent in rear quarter panels. 5. Original Mercedes paint. [where ever there is still paint] 6. Slight assembly required. I can show you where everything goes [if I can find it after setting abandoned for the last decade.] 7. Tires have high tread [just slightly dry rotted, but the hold air.] 8. Firm on price, Only a few of these were ever made [and apparently the guy was burned at the stake] Did I leave anything out guys, or does this one get the Darwin Awards for most outrageous listing? On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Free? Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 8:23 AM To: ernest breakfield; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 My apologies for Ernie-ing you. I should have known better, since I find it irksome when the occasional lister Andies me. How about 'Drew? Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Running Older vehicles
The bottom line on running older vehicles, whether MB or not, is that you cannot count on parts after about 10 years. Sometimes it is difficult to get parts for new vehicles too as there is little need and thus little production and no stock on hand. If you want to be certain you can get parts, then I suggest you need to always drive a car between about 3 years old and 10 years old and very common on the streets. You also need to be wary of oddball vehicles. I am always amazed at the ads that offer rare vehicles. Rare is the last thing I want in a vehicle. I want the most common thing out there with parts all over the place. Unfortunately, that is sometime hard to predict. For example, my brother-in-law is a mechanic and he commented on the difficulty getting parts for a Ford Ranger truck. A fuel line part was not available. The part had only been used for 1 or maybe 2 years and then Ford changed the whole thing. They were finally able to get something made up by a shop that makes hydraulic hoses but it proved to be difficult and time consuming as they looked far and wide for new, oem, aftermarket, and then for used before giving up and looking for someone to make something. In the interim the truck was not usable as it leaked badly. Another Ford example related to an ABS brake part in a Lincoln Mark ??. The car was not all that old and looked beautiful but had issues with the brakes and no parts were available. Again, something that was only used 1 year or maybe 2 and was thus, pretty rare. I know the owner but I don't recall what the ultimate resolution was. I think they maybe found a used one and once repaired, he swapped cars and got out of it. Not picking on Ford as I am a fan of Fords. These are just examples of issues that are all too common. So the fact that all parts are not readily available for a MB that is 35+ years old should not surprise anyone. If you cannot live with that possibility, then you need to move on and buy a 2 year old Camry and swap again within 5 years. They you will be fairly well assured that your car will be reliable and parts will be available. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles
Nothing wrong with used Mercedes parts - just buy two at a time. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The bottom line on running older vehicles, whether MB or not, is that you cannot count on parts after about 10 years. Sometimes it is difficult to get parts for new vehicles too as there is little need and thus little production and no stock on hand. If you want to be certain you can get parts, then I suggest you need to always drive a car between about 3 years old and 10 years old and very common on the streets. You also need to be wary of oddball vehicles. I am always amazed at the ads that offer rare vehicles. Rare is the last thing I want in a vehicle. I want the most common thing out there with parts all over the place. Unfortunately, that is sometime hard to predict. For example, my brother-in-law is a mechanic and he commented on the difficulty getting parts for a Ford Ranger truck. A fuel line part was not available. The part had only been used for 1 or maybe 2 years and then Ford changed the whole thing. They were finally able to get something made up by a shop that makes hydraulic hoses but it proved to be difficult and time consuming as they looked far and wide for new, oem, aftermarket, and then for used before giving up and looking for someone to make something. In the interim the truck was not usable as it leaked badly. Another Ford example related to an ABS brake part in a Lincoln Mark ??. The car was not all that old and looked beautiful but had issues with the brakes and no parts were available. Again, something that was only used 1 year or maybe 2 and was thus, pretty rare. I know the owner but I don't recall what the ultimate resolution was. I think they maybe found a used one and once repaired, he swapped cars and got out of it. Not picking on Ford as I am a fan of Fords. These are just examples of issues that are all too common. So the fact that all parts are not readily available for a MB that is 35+ years old should not surprise anyone. If you cannot live with that possibility, then you need to move on and buy a 2 year old Camry and swap again within 5 years. They you will be fairly well assured that your car will be reliable and parts will be available. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
I am storing away all the niggling parts I can find for a R107. The older stuff is very NLA, since it works for either the W115 or W116, which are not getting any more love. Body panels are plentiful, the stuff to keep it running, not so much clay who still has boxes of /8 parts cluttering up the house On Jan 3, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Hey, all you W123 people whining about parts that are NLA. Please SHARE the specifics inasmuch as I have a ton of spare parts cluttering up my garage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?
On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 12:22:10 -0500 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: NOTHING is more worthless than a car that ya hafta push. Kaleb, Here's one for the quotes page! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
gas or diesel? The 140 is a pig, so not good for heavy mileage. The 300se sucks a gallon every 15 miles The 124 is a very good platform for racking up miles, since it was well built and matched to a good engine. A 210 would not be on my radar due to the very low build quality I have found while searching for a car to replace the E300. The finish is on a par with a mid '90 civic. Maybe one of the gussied up end of model examples? clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 3, 2015, at 1:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Original Message From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply To: ernest breakfield Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day) we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep running. Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove a 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking W210 or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging, rusting W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much fuel. Gas prices WILL be going back up... Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?
Back light is failing. Maybe a laptop repair shop can split the case and hook in a set of new bulbs. Better theory would be to hasten down to the nearest electronics shoppe and get a 15.6 $250 replacement. Use it like you stole it and replace in a four years clay On Jan 4, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: PC Guru's, My HP laptop (which is over six years old) is finally starting to die. Twice now the screen has gone dark. If I shine a bright light into the screen I can see the display, and shut-down the laptop. Re-starting the laptop immediately restored the screen the first time this happened. Worth attempting a repair? Anyone know of a great deal on a new laptop? I've just purchased a copy of Win7 OS, so if I can get a better deal on a laptop sans OS, that would be great. -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Jack
BiL, the mechanic, scored a 22 lift heavy duty HF jack ages ago. He loves the thing, but warns the new stuff is not as good. That being said, go for the biggest, highest lift, and you should have no trouble unless you need to use it every day clay On Jan 4, 2015, at 3:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Anybody ever bought a Harbor Freight jack? I've got an older Craftsman floor jack, one thats literally a bottle jack on its side with a lever. It works fine but it really doesn't go high enough and the removable handle is a drag. I've been thinking I wanted a real floor jack for some time now. I went to HF today to get a new compressor (21gal, 2.5hp) and got a flyer for their blowout sale next week which includes the 3 Ton Heavy Duty Steel Floor Jack for $69. They were asking $79 for the 1.5ton jack today so it seems like a good deal... Reviews I found online seem to suggest that HF jacks are as good as any Chinesium available and generally a lot cheaper. I'm not a pro and I can't see spending hundreds for a good unit... Thoughts? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time?
and head over to www.ifixit.com for destructions on how to tear it down and do the job clay On Jan 4, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Max.I've fixed a couple of HP G60's with bad video cables as the way that HP passes the cable by the hinge is not too brilliant.The cables are available from lots of places, like ebay or amazon. Usually under $20.As Dan said slow and relaxed is the way to go.The inverter for the CFL (lamp) is sometimes flukey, also not expensive.Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 18:25:07 -0500 To: d...@penoff.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT laptop screen is dying - new laptop time? From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Dan, It's an HP Pavilion dv6700, the service tag says dv6809wm. I can send you the s/n and p/n if needed. I would be glad to attempt replacing the cable (or other parts). Is there a sure way to diagnose? Let me know if you have a source for parts. Thanks, Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
The yards are no longer as flush with the old iron as they were around cash for junkers. It seemed as if every 30+ year old, moss coated benz found is way to the PnP. Now the 20 year old cars are making their way. Some are crashed, others look to be inventory the fourth tier car lots could not turn over fast enough. This is based on the paperwork living in the glove box showing the car registered to el Nacho del Norte car flogger clay On Jan 4, 2015, at 4:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes wrote: people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Drew is totally foreign to me. Where I grew up it was assumed that all Andrews were Andy. When I finally got out of college and went into grad school, I reinvented myself as Andrew. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 8:23 AM To: ernest breakfield; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 My apologies for Ernie-ing you. I should have known better, since I find it irksome when the occasional lister Andies me. How about 'Drew? Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
Diluted with aged pee?;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I would be very skeptical of this idea. Any clue as to how they do it? If it involves the addition of un-natural resources I would steer clear. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There is an outfit here in town that has developed some sort of alchemical process by which whiskey can be aged to taste like the real deal in only a few days. Apparently it works, somehow. They have started a distillery in Owensboro, KY to make their stuff. A buddy of mine was an early investor in them, does not know anything about the product but thought the idea interesting enough to shovel some dinero into. They are called Terressentia. --R On 1/4/15 9:51 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: What determines the pricing criteria - age? The two grades are age-based. The extra-spendy third was a barrel they opened and said: Ooooh! So they marked it up even more and gave it its own name. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
I would be very skeptical of this idea. Any clue as to how they do it? If it involves the addition of un-natural resources I would steer clear. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There is an outfit here in town that has developed some sort of alchemical process by which whiskey can be aged to taste like the real deal in only a few days. Apparently it works, somehow. They have started a distillery in Owensboro, KY to make their stuff. A buddy of mine was an early investor in them, does not know anything about the product but thought the idea interesting enough to shovel some dinero into. They are called Terressentia. --R On 1/4/15 9:51 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: What determines the pricing criteria - age? The two grades are age-based. The extra-spendy third was a barrel they opened and said: Ooooh! So they marked it up even more and gave it its own name. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mixed bag on car repairs today
'Nother ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 12:48 AM Subject: [MBZ] Mixed bag on car repairs today Finally got around to fixing the TE today, replaced one rear bearing, will do the other next weekend probably since this one was such a pain. Removing the axle went fine, but no progress trying to remove the hub from the bearing with a slide hammer in spite of reports from a reliable source that it works (my friend Hans pulled one that way, and we were using his slide hammer). After completely wrecking the bad bearing, we gave up, pulled the wheel carrier (which was much faster than screwing around with the slide hammer) and took it to my brother's shop and pressed the hub and bearing out and the new one in, plus the hub. We'd moved the hub in the bearing maybe 1/8 or so, well and truly stuck. Also replaced the outer spring link bearing, as the old one was missing both boots and rusty -- if the rear end of you W124 creaks when you get out, you need to replace it. Much worse than the wheel bearing, which at least came out easily in spite of the fractured inner race. The spring link bearing was a real bitch, ended up driving it in with a hammer as it refused to press in, and both working surfaces are uneven. We will try a bearing puller on the next cone, it should not be that hard. We wore my nephew out -- he's training to be a diesel mechanic so I use him for all the hard stuff. I hope he's learning something, he's a bit hard headed. The mixed bag part was that I smelled a bit of gasoline when I drove up, and left a puddle when I pulled the car out. The 1 piece of rubber hose on the hard line at the rear of the front fuel pump (from the rear pump) has cracked. So I get to either find a replacement hose or take it off and have the guy who made up the line from the rear to front pump after two cheap ones split make a new bit for me. Nearly all the K-jet cars I've ever seen have a banjo fitting on the rear of the fuel pump, why MB put a hose on this one I don't understand. Anyway, I need to fix that on Tuesday evening, it's going to be below zero Thursday morning, and I'm quite certain the 300D won't start, even if I replace the bad glow plugs tomorrow evening. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
I read an article recently that suggested that the vast majority of microdistilled whiskey all comes from one big factory where it is repackaged for the various other companies.Apparently all you need to do is design a label, pick out what bottle you want and they'll produce all you need... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I would be very skeptical of this idea. Any clue as to how they do it? If it involves the addition of un-natural resources I would steer clear. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There is an outfit here in town that has developed some sort of alchemical process by which whiskey can be aged to taste like the real deal in only a few days. Apparently it works, somehow. They have started a distillery in Owensboro, KY to make their stuff. A buddy of mine was an early investor in them, does not know anything about the product but thought the idea interesting enough to shovel some dinero into. They are called Terressentia. --R On 1/4/15 9:51 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: What determines the pricing criteria - age? The two grades are age-based. The extra-spendy third was a barrel they opened and said: Ooooh! So they marked it up even more and gave it its own name. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Just pretend you have one of the off color interiors and get it painted up. Frosch is a green on green. There is no way DBAG was going to pump out a bunch of green consoles and dashes for that r107. The factory color is grey, but they paint/dye it to match the Tex on the doors. Now that the only available consoles are black and have split off side carpet, I do not feel poorly about masking and doing a rattle can refurb clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 4, 2015, at 5:36 PM, astrasfogel--- via Mercedes wrote: A replacement dash or console in any color besides black. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:43PM -0500 from dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to find? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___
Re: [MBZ] W123 Fuel Sending Unit
I may have missed the original post on this subject as I was away and deleted most of the stuff from the list. I have a repaired (cleaned and 0.202mm Nichrome wire replaced 5/13) '85 300TD fuel sending unit which I'd let go for considerably less if that's what one of you is interested in. Note: the fuel gauge in my TD was behaving oddly (bouncing around, etc.) so I obtained a replacement fuel sending unit from the local PNP, managed to break the Nichrome wire in both the original fuel sending unit as well as the one obtained from the PNP. I ordered the 0.202mm Nichrome wire and repaired both units. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
For many of my parts needs, the PnP is the only option. And I have to be very specific about years. A 107 or 116 prior to 1976 will supply many parts at a reasonable fee. The fuel pump on Frosch died a few years ago. Indy tried to hack together a pump system from a newer (available) K jet. It was not good, and was replaced with one of the junk yard pumps I sourced. We did find out that a Nissan fuel pump was a really close match, so now my indy can replace D-jet pumps with those. There are a number of NLA parts, and more coming, since even the Classic Center is unable to source much more than the high end collector car bits on bobs. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:05 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes wrote: cute, but sadly inaccurate. ignoring the parts we've already discussed, we've had no-go failures including (but not limited to) broken accelerator linkage (350 miles from home, natch) and an ignition switch assembly behind the tumbler that disintegrated (fortunately, directly outside a local indys shop). not a big deal *if* parts were still available, but the idea that these (or any other car) never break is just not true. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:34, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps a better descriptor is the one offered by a tech at an indy Autohaus: they don't break. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
I too am a Calvados fan. I have never encountered any US apple brandy that is remotely similar or as good. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:34 AM To: Curly McLain; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I adore Calvados. Where can I get the domestic version? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Our Sexy and fretful parts goddess, the Great and Wonderful Wizard of FL, was able to scour the world to get one of the few remaining front disk sets for the w140 300SE. They were found in South Africa. Seems Mandela had been hoarding them in some island prison. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes wrote: as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested in). don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours. these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem getting a fair price for it from someone. cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
There used to be a great source right here in Seattle. Benz Friendz had both an indy location and a massive pair of warehouses filled to the rafters with rare and not so rare classic parts covering the past sixty years and more. When the real estate market was bonkers, they got their lease yanked and had to liquidate fast. I got a goodly amount of items I really needed. Much of the inventory was forced to make a home at a land fill or sold to china to become steel clay On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Ernie, Have you tried SO CAL Mercedes for any of these NLA parts? They have been pretty reliable for some of the rare CA version W123 turbo parts I have needed. Ask for Pete or Matt Bourne; mention my name and I get a free trip to Hawaii. :) SoCal Mercedes Parts 1436 N.Manzanita St. Orange, CA. 92867 www.socalmercedesparts.com Phone 714.221.0672 Fax 714.628.0818 Toll Free 888.664.6602 On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested in). don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours. these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem getting a fair price for it from someone. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:41, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had no trouble buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126. 125k miles is nothing. Give me $500 and I'll take it off your hands. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
*Helas; vive la difference...* There is a passably good domestic champagne, however. The Gruet family from Champagne searched all over the US some years back for a place to plant their New World vineyards and discovered the PERFECT terroir for growing champagne grapes - in New Mexico! The grapes grow on the banks of the Rio Grande a couple hundred miles south of Albuquerque near Elephant Butte. Great taste, small bubbles and fermented IN THE BOTTLE. Quite a bargain at under $15/bottle. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I too am a Calvados fan. I have never encountered any US apple brandy that is remotely similar or as good. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:34 AM To: Curly McLain; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I adore Calvados. Where can I get the domestic version? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
My wife's newphew and wife had a baby girl this past year. They announced that her name was Magnolia. I immediately thought, Maggie but NO - She has become Nolly RB On 05/01/2015 12:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Drew is totally foreign to me. Where I grew up it was assumed that all Andrews were Andy. When I finally got out of college and went into grad school, I reinvented myself as Andrew. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 8:23 AM To: ernest breakfield; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 My apologies for Ernie-ing you. I should have known better, since I find it irksome when the occasional lister Andies me. How about 'Drew? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
I concur there was an article I read in the past few months that made that claim and provided a link to a web portal so one could check who really made the product you were purchasing. There is a vast micro distilling sham taking place with a few huge distillers packaging up craft product in tankers that are treated at the craft place and bottled up. Same source material going to all the small boys who either just bottle it up, or put something special in clay On Jan 5, 2015, at 7:34 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I read an article recently that suggested that the vast majority of microdistilled whiskey all comes from one big factory where it is repackaged for the various other companies.Apparently all you need to do is design a label, pick out what bottle you want and they'll produce all you need... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I would be very skeptical of this idea. Any clue as to how they do it? If it involves the addition of un-natural resources I would steer clear. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There is an outfit here in town that has developed some sort of alchemical process by which whiskey can be aged to taste like the real deal in only a few days. Apparently it works, somehow. They have started a distillery in Owensboro, KY to make their stuff. A buddy of mine was an early investor in them, does not know anything about the product but thought the idea interesting enough to shovel some dinero into. They are called Terressentia. --R On 1/4/15 9:51 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: What determines the pricing criteria - age? The two grades are age-based. The extra-spendy third was a barrel they opened and said: Ooooh! So they marked it up even more and gave it its own name. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] So what do I want?
Maybe but my thought was of push cars for little folks and that all one needed was a strong father. RB On 05/01/2015 2:05 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 12:22:10 -0500 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: NOTHING is more worthless than a car that ya hafta push. Kaleb, Here's one for the quotes page! Craig ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
Quite a bargain at under $15/bottle. Brand name please! I will look for this next time I want some reasonably priced Champagne. Greg From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 1:01 PM To: Greg Fiorentino; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year Helas; vive la difference... There is a passably good domestic champagne, however. The Gruet family from Champagne searched all over the US some years back for a place to plant their New World vineyards and discovered the PERFECT terroir for growing champagne grapes - in New Mexico! The grapes grow on the banks of the Rio Grande a couple hundred miles south of Albuquerque near Elephant Butte. Great taste, small bubbles and fermented IN THE BOTTLE. Quite a bargain at under $15/bottle. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I too am a Calvados fan. I have never encountered any US apple brandy that is remotely similar or as good. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:34 AM To: Curly McLain; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I adore Calvados. Where can I get the domestic version? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Templeton Rye was recently and publicly busted for this. However, as in almost everything, there are some people trying to do it right. Mike Beck at Uncle Johns in St. Johns, MI has a real still and makes apple brandy and vodka. There are many others. That's quite close to me. Haven't been there since I was a little kid living in Dewitt, but I work in Dewitt now so in the winter I'm within 10 miles of the place on a daily basis. I wonder if it's the same family as Beck's Propane, Beck's Trailers, Beck's Marine... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year
Gruet blanc de noirs, brut or rose - all excellent. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Quite a bargain at under $15/bottle. Brand name please! I will look for this next time I want some reasonably priced Champagne. Greg From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 1:01 PM To: Greg Fiorentino; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year Helas; vive la difference... There is a passably good domestic champagne, however. The Gruet family from Champagne searched all over the US some years back for a place to plant their New World vineyards and discovered the PERFECT terroir for growing champagne grapes - in New Mexico! The grapes grow on the banks of the Rio Grande a couple hundred miles south of Albuquerque near Elephant Butte. Great taste, small bubbles and fermented IN THE BOTTLE. Quite a bargain at under $15/bottle. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I too am a Calvados fan. I have never encountered any US apple brandy that is remotely similar or as good. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:34 AM To: Curly McLain; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year I adore Calvados. Where can I get the domestic version? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
