Re: [MBZ] ON THREAD: Shifter Bushings
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 20:26:39 -0500 Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > >While in NYC last week my shifter started rattling and became very > >loose. I stopped at a local indie in Queens to ask a question or > >two about it. Next thing I knew, he had the car on the lift > >explaining how dangerous it was, and that the 123 was the best > >design ever from MB. Out of the shop in 45 minutes with 2 new > >bushings and clips. > > > >No Rattle or loose shifter. Bravo Zulu. > > > >Anyone care to guess the cost? > > > >Jon > > 80 labor 20 parts = $100 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
This part of the article was funny: " the injured person was taken to a hospital and was undergoing shock trauma,...snip" Undergoing shock. Cattle prod?, Trauma. Injury? At the hospital? The reporter who wrote that story missed his calling. He should be working for the government. I recently spent part of a day trying to figure out how to fill in a government form, sign it, and then submit it via the internet. No sending the "signed copy" via fax, email, or snailmail. It had to be sent over the internet using some kind of weird procedure that "verified" your signature. If you don't have a computer, I suppose the government requires you to go and buy one. Gerry . G Mann wrote: > Andrew, I find the comments section of the article more interesting than > the article. Ha.. people still have humor.. > > Apparently, you folks on the NE coast really are party animals.. cross > dressing, drugs, stolen car, invading NSA... I see a book deal and movie > coming out of this.. where is Hollywood? > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:03 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com < > arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/30/shooting-at-fort-meade-after-driver-tries-to-ram-gate-police-say/ > > > > G Mann wrote: > > > I see that NSA has been attacked by men dressed as women. Reported, shots > > > fired, some injured.. details anyone? > > > > > > As for the aircraft incident.. sounds like a sequence of bad decisions > > > followed by impact with dirt. More details will come, FAA crash > > > investigators are on the scene. > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Randy Bennell > > wrote: > > > > > > > On 29/03/2015 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > > > > > > > >> Or the plane slid on an icy runway and either overran the end or > > exited > > > >> off the side (which is what the title implies). Bad things happen > > when the > > > >> landing gear sink into mud! > > > >> > > > >> My guess is that the landing was fairly normal except perhaps for a > > > >> variable cross-wind, and they got in trouble on the ground, just like > > the > > > >> Delta did in Boston or JFK a couple weeks ago. A slick runway without > > > >> warning can get scary fast, especially if it's only slick on one side. > > > >> > > > >> Peter > > > >> > > > >> News this morning says they landed 1100 feet short of the runway, and > > > > took out a power line and an antenna array on the way in, then slid on > > the > > > > belly onto the runway after losing the landing gear and one of the > > engines. > > > > > > > > Pilot error? Or computer error? > > > > Lousy weather at the time. Snowing hard and after midnight so lousy > > > > visibilty. > > > > > > > > RB > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > No virus found in this message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4315/9415 - Release Date: 03/30/15 > > > > > > > > > -- > > arche...@embarqmail.com > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4321/9419 - Release Date: 03/30/15 > -- arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 front seat frustration
No, it popped into my mind so I must have used it, or seen it used somewhere else. Vaguely I remember seeing "pins" in bolt heads or nuts. Gerry Max Dillon wrote: > Thanks Gerry, that is a clever idea. I'll keep it in mind for next time. > Have you used this method with success? > > I was able to grind the head off the bolt and remove the seat and carpet, and > then it was easy to remove the remains of the bolt and captive nut. There is > an access slot just inboard of the hole for the bolt. Now I need new > hardware. > > The carpet is out and hung to dry, water is getting into the car when it > rains. I've got to find and plug that leak before the carpet goes back in. > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '87 300TD > '95 E300 > > On March 30, 2015 8:47:34 PM EDT, "arche...@embarqmail.com" > wrote: > >If there is room, possibly using a right angle dremel attachment, drill > >an angled hole in the floorboard next to the widest diameter of the > >bolt head in order to intercept the nut that is spinning. A 1/8" hole > >would be my choice. After the hole is drilled, reverse the drill bit > >and put it in the hole. Then gently try turning the bolt to see if it > >will come out (you don't want to break the drill bit.). If not, shoot > >some penetrant into the hole and around the bolt head, then try turning > >the pinned nut the next day. If the the bolt refuses to turn the next > >day, get some 1/8" "drill rod" at Ace Hardware, a welders shop, Home > >Depot or wherever you can find it, put it in the hole and use more > >pressure while trying to turn the bolt. Mild steel rod is too soft, and > >a drill bit is too brittle. Drill rod would be less likely to break. > >After the bolt comes out, cut a piece of drill rod, or the smooth end > >of a 1/8" drill bit and leave it in the hole with just enough > >projecting to pull it out. Use anti-seize on the wire-brushed threads > >when you put the seat back. > >This is pretty fussy, but if it works it leaves everything close to > >standard. > >Note: Too much angle when drilling the hole can intercept the bolt. > >Eyeball it carefully. > >Note: I assume you have slid the seat in both directions to secure the > >best access to the bolt. > >Gerry > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4321/9419 - Release Date: 03/30/15 > -- arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ON THREAD: Shifter Bushings
Wrench twister did it Gratis, because he could not allow you out of his shop knowing you were in an unsafe condition. clay On Mar 30, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Jon Agne wrote: > While in NYC last week my shifter started rattling and became very loose. I > stopped at a local indie in Queens to ask a question or two about it. Next > thing I knew, he had the car on the lift explaining how dangerous it was, and > that the 123 was the best design ever from MB. Out of the shop in 45 minutes > with 2 new bushings and clips. > > No Rattle or loose shifter. Bravo Zulu. > > Anyone care to guess the cost? > > Jon > > ’85 300D > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
This is why I am not at all interested in using Google cars or other human devoid vehicles. Computers only do what they are told. Garbage in, garbage out, and human error writing the code. Rich was able to provide an example of pilot error, but the pilots were making choice and did not abrogate responsibility for the safety of the aircraft to a box. They could have, but did not trust the box to be right. Now, we have trained technician at the controls, not the seat of the pants artists of prior years. Today, the computer will handle it, were before, you took your life in your own hands and judgement. Nazi soldiers gave up their personal responsibility and just followed orders, no matter how morally wrong they felt the order to be. Same goes for the dumb box. clay On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:45 PM, G Mann wrote: > Andrew, > > You play the part of Pilot In Command for a bit.. > > You are responsible for the lives of 200 people on board, perhaps $200,000 > worth of cargo in the hold, an airplane valued at $70,000,000.00, and your > reputation as Captain, which took you 15 yrs of long hours and hard work to > get. > > Now.. it's dark, it's known ice conditions, the winds aloft are at near > gale force, and your experience tells you those sensors are prone to > malfunction in ice, or may give false readings.. AND you know you must have > met Runway Visual Range Rules to land .. .. > > Do you "rely on the automatic system" or do you use every resource at your > disposal to safely land the aircraft or deliver it to a safe location? > > You decide.. you have less than 8 minutes during the approach to landing.. > tick toc...tick toc... tick toc Your approach speed is 186 > kts. your landing weight is 230,000 lbs, if you descend into dirt it's > gonna hurt... a lot.. still feeling comfortable releasing control to all > those little electronics? > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel > wrote: > >> But if you're making an approach in the dark and can't see 10' in front of >> the cockpit due to blizzard like conditions wouldn't it be wise to trust >> the automatic controls? >> >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:23 PM, OK Don wrote: >> >>> True Andrew, however Grant's point is more relevant to the Air France >>> accident over the Atlantic - where they think a sensor iced over and was >>> giving bad readings. The computer can't keep you in the air with bad >>> data. All of these large aircraft are "too many small parts flying in >> close >>> formation". >>> >>> I fly by wire - wire cables between the control wheel and the control >>> surfaces! >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel < >> astrasfo...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> So the computer in the Germanwings disaster was listening to a human >> and >>> if left alone would not hav e crashed the plane. Perhaps we need MORE technology and less reliance on potential human error. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> OK Don >>> >>> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! >>> >>> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many >> of >>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain >>> >>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few >> who >>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence >>> for themselves." >>> >>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >>> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
Speaking of wooden ships, and climate change There are no longer enough of the big old trees around for the construction of the mighty sailing ships. Trees are too tiny to provide masts without glueing them together. Used to be you needed a mast, limp into a suitable harbor with trees, and send ship's carpenter out to procure himself a suitable tree. clay On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:43 AM, G Mann wrote: > Come to the airport Andrew.. I'll demonstrate it to you... > > Back in the day when there were wooden ships and iron men. Something you > missed in your education. > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel > wrote: > >> Not sure what that means but it sounds pretty nasty. >> >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:16 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com < >> arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> This is a rare type of accident. When the fuss dies down, airlines will >> go >>> back to their old ways. Student pilots often spend huge amounts of >> borrowed >>> money before they can go to work for a budget airline where they will be >>> paid only $20,000 or so per year initially. >>> Gerry >>> P.S. Did you ever get christened while looking up a pee tube to see if it >>> was clear, Wilton? That was a WW-2 initiation. >>> >>> "WILTON" wrote: Or a urinal in the cockpit, or pee tubes as in days of yore - B-47's, >>> for example. Wilton > Adult diapers could have prevented this whole thing! > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '87 300TD > '95 E300 >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
Andrew, I find the comments section of the article more interesting than the article. Ha.. people still have humor.. Apparently, you folks on the NE coast really are party animals.. cross dressing, drugs, stolen car, invading NSA... I see a book deal and movie coming out of this.. where is Hollywood? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:03 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com < arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote: > > > http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/30/shooting-at-fort-meade-after-driver-tries-to-ram-gate-police-say/ > > G Mann wrote: > > I see that NSA has been attacked by men dressed as women. Reported, shots > > fired, some injured.. details anyone? > > > > As for the aircraft incident.. sounds like a sequence of bad decisions > > followed by impact with dirt. More details will come, FAA crash > > investigators are on the scene. > > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Randy Bennell > wrote: > > > > > On 29/03/2015 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > > > > > >> Or the plane slid on an icy runway and either overran the end or > exited > > >> off the side (which is what the title implies). Bad things happen > when the > > >> landing gear sink into mud! > > >> > > >> My guess is that the landing was fairly normal except perhaps for a > > >> variable cross-wind, and they got in trouble on the ground, just like > the > > >> Delta did in Boston or JFK a couple weeks ago. A slick runway without > > >> warning can get scary fast, especially if it's only slick on one side. > > >> > > >> Peter > > >> > > >> News this morning says they landed 1100 feet short of the runway, and > > > took out a power line and an antenna array on the way in, then slid on > the > > > belly onto the runway after losing the landing gear and one of the > engines. > > > > > > Pilot error? Or computer error? > > > Lousy weather at the time. Snowing hard and after midnight so lousy > > > visibilty. > > > > > > RB > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > - > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4315/9415 - Release Date: 03/30/15 > > > > > -- > arche...@embarqmail.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ON THREAD: Shifter Bushings
I'm with Andrew on this one - he's also building customer good will. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > GRatis - since you drive a cool car and he loves working on them. > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
How can you prove it is not male? It deleted all the mail on its server once a request for them was made by Dept. of State clay On Mar 29, 2015, at 8:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > I encourage all you troglodytes to maintain your high standards and BOYCOTT > the 2016 election, thereby increasing the odds of our achieving a first > female president. :) > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 2:53 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com < > arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote: > >> Bill wasn't president very long before Hillary tried to ram through her >> version of Obamacare. Hillary has too much of that sort of political >> baggage. If the Dems run her, the outcome is predictable. >> Warren would have a far better chance since few people know anything about >> her outside of the northeast and Washington. >> However, since the Supreme Court has allowed foreign individuals, >> corporations, and governments to contribute to U.S. political campaigns, >> the party with the biggest war chest will probably win if they spend it >> wisely. >> Gerry...who longs for a middle-of-the-road party. >> >> Andrew wrote: >> >>> If it's Jeb vs. Hillary a buck says you pull the lever for Jeb. >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> andrew sez: So would you vote for Jeb? > Where's my no bush sticker? Are you working on that?...snip >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ON THREAD: Shifter Bushings
$50;) Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 30, 2015, at 9:16 PM, Jon Agne wrote: > > While in NYC last week my shifter started rattling and became very loose. I > stopped at a local indie in Queens to ask a question or two about it. Next > thing I knew, he had the car on the lift explaining how dangerous it was, and > that the 123 was the best design ever from MB. Out of the shop in 45 minutes > with 2 new bushings and clips. > > No Rattle or loose shifter. Bravo Zulu. > > Anyone care to guess the cost? > > Jon > > ’85 300D > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] stupid
I was just commenting to my neighbor that when I was a tyke, mom got us a soldering iron so we could perform some task required in building our pond sailers. I forget what, but that in this day, a CPS worker would swoop in and remove your kid should you have the tyke handle one with supervision. Mom did not supervise, she figured we were smart enough to know better than to burn ourselves with it more than once. clay On Mar 28, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Hertzing wrote: > All stated here is true, but it's all or our responsibility with kids to > teach them these skills. My 8 year old can handle the drill, hand tools lawn > mower... Chainsaw with supervision. > Daughter can do most of it too... Everyone needs man skills... > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 26, 2015, at 10:14 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > >>> Scott sez: The uniform mediocrity brought to us by the US Dept of Education >>> deserves >>> plenty of credit here. But I place most of the blame to parents and the >>> "social safety net." More Americans need to reap the fruits of their >>> labors, even if they end up living under bridges. >>> >> +1And kids need to be allowed to work and use power tools within reason. >> the molycoddled little twits can learn action/reaction or cause/effect or >> responsibility/consequences when they are always shelter by the goober, the >> educrats, the DHS, the parents or whoever. >> >> Holy moly, I was driving over 20 horses by the time I was 9, working in the >> fields all day from about 12 on. I liked the John Deere H because it was >> not so hard to reach the clutch, or I would work the hand clutch with my >> foot. The brakes were still out of reach from the seat, but both JD and IH >> Hs are easy to drive standing up, especially for a kid. Somewhere around 9 >> or 10 I learned to drive a team of horses. From the time I was 5 or 6 until >> I was old enough to work, i was responsible for my own entertainment. No tv >> except saturday morning cartoons, and you had to be up early to get the good >> ones. >> >> at 9 or 10 I was using the post drill press. I was not tall enough to crank >> it all the way, so i had to give it a real swing on the bottom half of the >> arc, and hope it made it over the top and back down to the 9 oclock position >> so I could swing it again. I remember drilling angle iron to make a >> trailer hitch for my bike that way. That meant you had to be real careful >> with the feed, or the handle could stop at the top of the swing, out of >> reach! By the time i was 12 I had my own table saw. I made boxes, and >> snowshoes, and backpack frames, a case for my replica Colt Navy revolver, >> and repaired a lot of stuff, and even made a 3 knob safe door out of wood. >> In Jr High and high school I made a walnut gun cabinet, an oak workbench >> which i still use, RC airplanes, arrows, and untold stuff for the farm. I >> still have all my fingers and toes, and never shot myself or anyone else >> with a nailgun. >> >> Somewhere around 12 or so I borrowed a Win Model 61 and it was a lot more >> fun than the Daisy. I liked it so much, I saved up money and bought my own >> Model 61. A lot of the time I carried it or a Savage 24 everywhere I went >> on the farm. >> >> My friends in town mowed lawns, mopped floors, fried chicken, made >> milkshakes, cleaned offices at night and all kinds of other stuff. >> >> A kid now graduating from HS has never held a tool, probably never made >> anything, has never had consequences for their actions and never learned >> Newtons third law, much less the first or second. And we wonder why as >> adults, they expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter? >> They were raised being handed everything on a silver platter. That is what >> they expect. >> >> They have been trained to be stupid, so the goobers in gooberment can get >> them to be good little stooges. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Wire Sets
I am aroused. The garbage Bosch wires that got tossed onto Frosch do not inspire confidence clay On Mar 28, 2015, at 5:40 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > If any vergasser owners out there need wires, I recommend this guy: > > http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2292073-mb-ignition-wire-sets-hand-made.html#post11457009 > > He's a tech at a dealership in South Florida and does a good job. I've > bought a few things off of him and been very pleased. > > Dan > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] It mocks me
The 300D is not evil, just perverse. There was a CL ad by a veteran transmission guy who works on german cars mostly. Good spiel about he works less expensive, knows the systems I had seen the posting for months and thought it may be a flake, but I send a question about the car over the weekend. Fellow calls me before 0800 to give me some clues that may obviate what I fear to be large problems. The trans does not engage D or S, but will move under power in L. I have not attempted R at the moment and the parking pawl goes click click click as the car rolls when in P. There are brake issues as well. So far, the car has moved 7 meters forward. I now have it up on jack stands. The gentleman thought I should check the linkage to see if it had gotten out of spec. He felt that would result in not engaging gear, and L is just the default so it works. I was not able to fully follow his description about unhooking it and moving it about until it coincided with where the shifter says P is. Does his description sound about right? He did mention that I could twist it just so after removing the C clip to take up slack. My new buddy also was sure that messing about with new filter and ATF would not resolve the issues, but since the pan gasket is leaking, why the heck not? If the linkage did not solve the issue, a rebuild would be in order. If I remove the trans, and deliver it, I save something like $700 on the job. It sounded like a good way to start the morning. This afternoon I figured I should make an attempt at cleaning up the exterior and engine bay of kruft, since the predicted rain showers failed to materialize, but they may not hold off much longer. The paint is shot, there is incipient moss/lichen setting up home on it, and the lower bits of the engine are caked with oily sludge. With the car up in the air (18") I crawled around with a spray bottle of simple green and doused the offending parts. All trim has been removed, as well as badging, which had left a bas relief of the missing parts. The door glass is MIA, as it does not serve my purposes. (hoping some CL shopper needs it) With the cleanser doing its work passively, I got the plug in pressure washer and hooked it up. Mr. Mercedes Source has a video series about obtaining 20-40 year old cars. He got an 80's w123 that was being colonized by the elements and ended up using a plug in washer to blast the crud off. Figured I should too. It actually does a good job removing ground in moss, mildew, and spores. The paint still likes like poop, but a bunch less than before. I could compound it and see if the rest buffs out, but will probably use a DA sander to take it down a bit and rattle can it. There is surface oxidation that has poxed the body. Blasting with a lower pressure on the sludge also removed a goodly portion of the mess on the block, so I can now find out where the PS pump is leaking and see that some monkey used RTV instead of dropping a Jackson on an oil pan gasket. I also found the dang oil filter house, which was hidden under a massive coating of tar/sludge. I really wanted it to have moved to the upper geography under the hood, not where it was on Gump. Now I need to invest in Veterinary gloves that reach to my arm pits so I can change the oil. AS luck would have it, I had not completely removed all the W115 parts from my shelves, so have a few filters at my disposal. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
What they said -- There are old pilots, and bold pilots, but no old, bold pilots. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:26 PM, G Mann wrote: > Amen and AaMen... > > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:24 PM, WILTON wrote: > > > Divert. Spending the rest of the night somewhere else and coming back > > later is better than NEVER arriving. > > > > Wilton > > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 front seat frustration
C-4 --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 30, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Diesel Volk, Trying to remove front passenger seat. Three of four mounting bolts removed. #4 turns / spins, but acts like the nut on the other side of the floor has come loose. Anyone have any ideas? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ON THREAD: Shifter Bushings
NYC? $150 Wilton - Original Message - From: "Jon Agne" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 9:16 PM Subject: [MBZ] ON THREAD: Shifter Bushings While in NYC last week my shifter started rattling and became very loose. I stopped at a local indie in Queens to ask a question or two about it. Next thing I knew, he had the car on the lift explaining how dangerous it was, and that the 123 was the best design ever from MB. Out of the shop in 45 minutes with 2 new bushings and clips. No Rattle or loose shifter. Bravo Zulu. Anyone care to guess the cost? Jon ’85 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ON THREAD: Shifter Bushings
Priceless! Ok, how about $65? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ON THREAD: Shifter Bushings
GRatis - since you drive a cool car and he loves working on them. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > While in NYC last week my shifter started rattling and became very loose. >> I stopped at a local indie in Queens to ask a question or two about it. >> Next thing I knew, he had the car on the lift explaining how dangerous it >> was, and that the 123 was the best design ever from MB. Out of the shop in >> 45 minutes with 2 new bushings and clips. >> >> No Rattle or loose shifter. Bravo Zulu. >> >> Anyone care to guess the cost? >> >> Jon >> >> '85 300D > > $75? > > $10? > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
He was suicidal, which is the very last attribute you would desire in a pilot. Again, it took the stars to align perfectly for this tragedy to happen. In chronological order: 1. Co-pilot drops out of flight school, but then gets re-accepted. Lufthansa doesn't inquire as to his state of mind or reasons for quitting/rejoining 2. Co-pilot has nightmares - wakes up screaming. Tells his GF about crashing the plane in his dreams; says bad things will happen. She dumps him but does nothing to alert his employer. 3.His shrink prescribes powerful antidepressants, tells him to quit his job. Learns of suicidal tendencies but doesn't warn Lufthansa. 4. Pilot hasn't time to go to the bathroom before they depart Spain. 6. Pilot is persuaded to leave cockpit; no one replaces him. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:03 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com < arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote: > > > http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/30/shooting-at-fort-meade-after-driver-tries-to-ram-gate-police-say/ > > G Mann wrote: > > I see that NSA has been attacked by men dressed as women. Reported, shots > > fired, some injured.. details anyone? > > > > As for the aircraft incident.. sounds like a sequence of bad decisions > > followed by impact with dirt. More details will come, FAA crash > > investigators are on the scene. > > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Randy Bennell > wrote: > > > > > On 29/03/2015 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > > > > > >> Or the plane slid on an icy runway and either overran the end or > exited > > >> off the side (which is what the title implies). Bad things happen > when the > > >> landing gear sink into mud! > > >> > > >> My guess is that the landing was fairly normal except perhaps for a > > >> variable cross-wind, and they got in trouble on the ground, just like > the > > >> Delta did in Boston or JFK a couple weeks ago. A slick runway without > > >> warning can get scary fast, especially if it's only slick on one side. > > >> > > >> Peter > > >> > > >> News this morning says they landed 1100 feet short of the runway, and > > > took out a power line and an antenna array on the way in, then slid on > the > > > belly onto the runway after losing the landing gear and one of the > engines. > > > > > > Pilot error? Or computer error? > > > Lousy weather at the time. Snowing hard and after midnight so lousy > > > visibilty. > > > > > > RB > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > - > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4315/9415 - Release Date: 03/30/15 > > > > > -- > arche...@embarqmail.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 front seat frustration
Thanks Gerry, that is a clever idea. I'll keep it in mind for next time. Have you used this method with success? I was able to grind the head off the bolt and remove the seat and carpet, and then it was easy to remove the remains of the bolt and captive nut. There is an access slot just inboard of the hole for the bolt. Now I need new hardware. The carpet is out and hung to dry, water is getting into the car when it rains. I've got to find and plug that leak before the carpet goes back in. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 30, 2015 8:47:34 PM EDT, "arche...@embarqmail.com" wrote: >If there is room, possibly using a right angle dremel attachment, drill >an angled hole in the floorboard next to the widest diameter of the >bolt head in order to intercept the nut that is spinning. A 1/8" hole >would be my choice. After the hole is drilled, reverse the drill bit >and put it in the hole. Then gently try turning the bolt to see if it >will come out (you don't want to break the drill bit.). If not, shoot >some penetrant into the hole and around the bolt head, then try turning >the pinned nut the next day. If the the bolt refuses to turn the next >day, get some 1/8" "drill rod" at Ace Hardware, a welders shop, Home >Depot or wherever you can find it, put it in the hole and use more >pressure while trying to turn the bolt. Mild steel rod is too soft, and >a drill bit is too brittle. Drill rod would be less likely to break. >After the bolt comes out, cut a piece of drill rod, or the smooth end >of a 1/8" drill bit and leave it in the hole with just enough >projecting to pull it out. Use anti-seize on the wire-brushed threads >when you put the seat back. >This is pretty fussy, but if it works it leaves everything close to >standard. >Note: Too much angle when drilling the hole can intercept the bolt. >Eyeball it carefully. >Note: I assume you have slid the seat in both directions to secure the >best access to the bolt. >Gerry > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.
All of those geologic changes took eons; the current trends are historical. Connect the dots - they coincide with a huge boost in CO2 emissions. I speak as a geologist, btw. Yes, there are natural, transitory events that may overshadow man's contributions to the atmosphere, e.g. Krakatoa, but they come and go. Man's consumption of fossil fuels is relentless. I suggest we put this topic to rest for awhile. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: > > > Andrew asked: If Al Gore hitchhiked instead of flying in a jet would you > then > > acknowledge that climate change was real and man-made? > > Of course not. There is no connection between Gore's behavior and the > validity of a theory about a cause and effect relationship between use of > fossil fuels and climate change. But I will say that the climate alarmists > would have more credibility if they themselves were not among the worst CO2 > "polluters." > > We know from history and geologic data that the world has been much warmer > (and much cooler) than it is now and that CO2 levels have been much higher > (and somewhat lower) than now; so higher CO2 levels and climate change are > not unprecedented, even before humans started releasing significant > quantities of CO2. Furthermore, the US is a minority producer of CO2, so > there is really NOTHING the US can do to significantly reduce global CO2 > levels. So whatever is happening will continue. It's time to stop > sabotaging our economy in some futile hope that government mandates will > somehow "save the world" and plan to live with the inevitable result. > Every > change produces winners and losers. If the forecast effects will really > happen (and that's still doubtful) let's learn how to assimilate them and > (hopefully) benefit. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ON THREAD: Shifter Bushings
While in NYC last week my shifter started rattling and became very loose. I stopped at a local indie in Queens to ask a question or two about it. Next thing I knew, he had the car on the lift explaining how dangerous it was, and that the 123 was the best design ever from MB. Out of the shop in 45 minutes with 2 new bushings and clips. No Rattle or loose shifter. Bravo Zulu. Anyone care to guess the cost? Jon '85 300D $75? $10? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ON THREAD: Shifter Bushings
100.00? Yes i have had bushings fixed on sevaral of my 123bs withazing results. I think it is awesome that you drive uour 300D long distances as your daily driver. How nice that the pilot posts about his Benz instead of A320 speculation. On Mar 30, 2015 9:16 PM, "Jon Agne" wrote: > While in NYC last week my shifter started rattling and became very loose. > I stopped at a local indie in Queens to ask a question or two about it. > Next thing I knew, he had the car on the lift explaining how dangerous it > was, and that the 123 was the best design ever from MB. Out of the shop in > 45 minutes with 2 new bushings and clips. > > No Rattle or loose shifter. Bravo Zulu. > > Anyone care to guess the cost? > > Jon > > ’85 300D > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ON THREAD: Shifter Bushings
While in NYC last week my shifter started rattling and became very loose. I stopped at a local indie in Queens to ask a question or two about it. Next thing I knew, he had the car on the lift explaining how dangerous it was, and that the 123 was the best design ever from MB. Out of the shop in 45 minutes with 2 new bushings and clips. No Rattle or loose shifter. Bravo Zulu. Anyone care to guess the cost? Jon ’85 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/30/shooting-at-fort-meade-after-driver-tries-to-ram-gate-police-say/ G Mann wrote: > I see that NSA has been attacked by men dressed as women. Reported, shots > fired, some injured.. details anyone? > > As for the aircraft incident.. sounds like a sequence of bad decisions > followed by impact with dirt. More details will come, FAA crash > investigators are on the scene. > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: > > > On 29/03/2015 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > > > >> Or the plane slid on an icy runway and either overran the end or exited > >> off the side (which is what the title implies). Bad things happen when the > >> landing gear sink into mud! > >> > >> My guess is that the landing was fairly normal except perhaps for a > >> variable cross-wind, and they got in trouble on the ground, just like the > >> Delta did in Boston or JFK a couple weeks ago. A slick runway without > >> warning can get scary fast, especially if it's only slick on one side. > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> News this morning says they landed 1100 feet short of the runway, and > > took out a power line and an antenna array on the way in, then slid on the > > belly onto the runway after losing the landing gear and one of the engines. > > > > Pilot error? Or computer error? > > Lousy weather at the time. Snowing hard and after midnight so lousy > > visibilty. > > > > RB > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4315/9415 - Release Date: 03/30/15 > -- arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 front seat frustration
If there is room, possibly using a right angle dremel attachment, drill an angled hole in the floorboard next to the widest diameter of the bolt head in order to intercept the nut that is spinning. A 1/8" hole would be my choice. After the hole is drilled, reverse the drill bit and put it in the hole. Then gently try turning the bolt to see if it will come out (you don't want to break the drill bit.). If not, shoot some penetrant into the hole and around the bolt head, then try turning the pinned nut the next day. If the the bolt refuses to turn the next day, get some 1/8" "drill rod" at Ace Hardware, a welders shop, Home Depot or wherever you can find it, put it in the hole and use more pressure while trying to turn the bolt. Mild steel rod is too soft, and a drill bit is too brittle. Drill rod would be less likely to break. After the bolt comes out, cut a piece of drill rod, or the smooth end of a 1/8" drill bit and leave it in the hole with just enough projecting to pull it out. Use anti-seize on the wire-brushed threads when you put the seat back. This is pretty fussy, but if it works it leaves everything close to standard. Note: Too much angle when drilling the hole can intercept the bolt. Eyeball it carefully. Note: I assume you have slid the seat in both directions to secure the best access to the bolt. Gerry On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 17:11:50 -0400 Max Dillon wrote: > Diesel Volk, > > Trying to remove front passenger seat. Three of four mounting bolts removed. > > #4 turns / spins, but acts like the nut on the other side of the floor has > come loose. > > Anyone have any ideas? > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '87 300TD > '95 E300 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4315/9415 - Release Date: 03/30/15 > -- arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
Randy wrote: > I suspect that the problem may be that the computers have become so good > that the pilot is complacent and unwilling to second guess it in most cases. Complacency is becoming a norm in many jobs, it seems. Computer control with oversight by human is boring and leads to complacecy and suicide thoughts, I suspect. Same complacency as the low wage gate attendant checking badges every day at the entrance to any facility. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 front seat frustration
124. Took about fifteen minutes with my dremel tool and enough of the bolt head was gone that I could get the seat out. Captive nut and the remains of the bolt came out easily enough. There are two raised bridges that run crosswise, attached to the floor, that support the seat. The captive nuts at all four corners are in these bridges, so no access from below the car unless you drill a hole. Grinding it off really was the best solution, thanks Randy! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 30, 2015 6:07:32 PM EDT, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >Vicegrips on the nut under car? > >All these I have seen are a plate welded to the floor pan. > >If you grind off the head, you probably won't be able to get the rest >out to bolt the seat down again. > >124 or? > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
Andrew wrote: > Not sure whether that alone can cause insanity but I'm sure there is an > Expert out there who can speak to a possible connection. A connection? You said detached - - retina. How can we get to detached if there is a possible connection? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
Oh, they arrived all right. Probably never gonna fly that particular plane out again though. Something strange happened, it's not like winter weather is an unusual event in Halifax, nor is an Air Canada A320 landing in a snowstorm. I'm sure there is more to the story than we have heard yet. In this day and age, an 1100 foot undershoot on a runway is very, very uncommon. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.
> Andrew asked: If Al Gore hitchhiked instead of flying in a jet would you then > acknowledge that climate change was real and man-made? Of course not. There is no connection between Gore's behavior and the validity of a theory about a cause and effect relationship between use of fossil fuels and climate change. But I will say that the climate alarmists would have more credibility if they themselves were not among the worst CO2 "polluters." We know from history and geologic data that the world has been much warmer (and much cooler) than it is now and that CO2 levels have been much higher (and somewhat lower) than now; so higher CO2 levels and climate change are not unprecedented, even before humans started releasing significant quantities of CO2. Furthermore, the US is a minority producer of CO2, so there is really NOTHING the US can do to significantly reduce global CO2 levels. So whatever is happening will continue. It's time to stop sabotaging our economy in some futile hope that government mandates will somehow "save the world" and plan to live with the inevitable result. Every change produces winners and losers. If the forecast effects will really happen (and that's still doubtful) let's learn how to assimilate them and (hopefully) benefit. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
Andrew, You play the part of Pilot In Command for a bit.. You are responsible for the lives of 200 people on board, perhaps $200,000 worth of cargo in the hold, an airplane valued at $70,000,000.00, and your reputation as Captain, which took you 15 yrs of long hours and hard work to get. Now.. it's dark, it's known ice conditions, the winds aloft are at near gale force, and your experience tells you those sensors are prone to malfunction in ice, or may give false readings.. AND you know you must have met Runway Visual Range Rules to land .. .. Do you "rely on the automatic system" or do you use every resource at your disposal to safely land the aircraft or deliver it to a safe location? You decide.. you have less than 8 minutes during the approach to landing.. tick toc...tick toc... tick toc Your approach speed is 186 kts. your landing weight is 230,000 lbs, if you descend into dirt it's gonna hurt... a lot.. still feeling comfortable releasing control to all those little electronics? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > But if you're making an approach in the dark and can't see 10' in front of > the cockpit due to blizzard like conditions wouldn't it be wise to trust > the automatic controls? > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:23 PM, OK Don wrote: > > > True Andrew, however Grant's point is more relevant to the Air France > > accident over the Atlantic - where they think a sensor iced over and was > > giving bad readings. The computer can't keep you in the air with bad > > data. All of these large aircraft are "too many small parts flying in > close > > formation". > > > > I fly by wire - wire cables between the control wheel and the control > > surfaces! > > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel < > astrasfo...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > So the computer in the Germanwings disaster was listening to a human > and > > if > > > left alone would not hav e crashed the plane. Perhaps we need MORE > > > technology and less reliance on potential human error. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > OK Don > > > > NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! > > > > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many > of > > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain > > > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few > who > > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > > for themselves." > > > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] stupid
I used to use the Fred Meyer folks. They knew how to tackle the job with no drama. My local contractor (DMV) is evil and, being closest to the University, take advantage and abuse the poor children who bring them cars. clay On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:37 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: > I must say that my experiences with the Auto Licensing people in WA was very > different. I go to one of the many private contractors for the WA DOL who > happen to be in my local Ace Hardware store. The one time they were being > somewhat unhelpful they actually let me talk to someone in DOL Olympia, who > helpfully resolved the issue in my favor. I'm sure that the competency and > helpfulness varies from location to location. > > Greg > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 5:12 PM > To: Randy Bennell; Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] stupid > > Equal opportunity laws troll for the bottom feeders who would not normally > be represented in gainful employment. Gooberm'nt is the worst offender. > > I went to the DMV yesterday to register the 300D. Car does not run, rusted > out, stripped, bought and sold for parts. Paid $400 to get it. I looked > all over the interwebs for information about registering/transfer title for > scrap cars in WA. No word on .gov site, so I hit the DMV office. Stocked > by dames who know next to nothing about cars anyway. I inquire as to need > to register a condition #6 car (scrap) Much hemming and hawing while > snuffling around the oldest employee who may have an answer, the girls do. > They are not sure what to do. Maybe I do not need to register it? Do I > want to register it? Why would I want to do that if it is scrap metal? Are > you sure you want to look into this sir? OK, maybe I should have just > walked out, but I want an answer. I much prefer not trying to discuss this > situation with some brain dead cop who is intent of writing an infraction or > such. I like the number of holes my body currently exhibits. > > They decide that maybe they should do it as a normal car, so they drag out > the old vehicle valuation bible and look. The girl finds a MAZDA, but not > what my car is for that year. I point out it is a MERCEDES. Oh, ok. Can I > point out which car it is on the list? I do, and see the exaggerated > valuations for cars. I fear I will have to pay 10% of the value they decide > upon. Then they ask if I intend to make it functional at some point. I > will have to come back in and pay more to upgrade the registration when it > hits the road. #6 condition is worth $700. I may get it running, so lets > go with #5, which is $2500! Damn! > > Then the discussion turns to plates, since a scrap car needs none, this one > has Antique plates, so the questions flow to the elder dame on tax > implications, plate transfer problems, driving restrictions, what to enter > into the forms. Turns out it is all the same, just fill the form, poke my > address into the computer along with the VIN, and wait five minutes. They > want me to swipe my card to pay. I offer cash. It comes to $75. Never > have to pay again. > > > > > > clay > > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap > 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - > Beware Nigerian Scammers > > > > > > > > > On Mar 26, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: > >> Is it just me, or are there more and more stupid people in reasonably good > jobs - especially government jobs? >> I have to deal with people in government offices on a regular basis and it > seems some of them just do not have a fat clue. >> Especially the younger ones. >> Are the schools doing such a poor job of educating the young people today > or are they just lost in space because mommy and daddy never expected or > permitted them to make any decisions in their own lives. >> >> I think what irks me even more is the arrogance of supid people. I have > little choice but to do it their way and they know that and I will have to > deal with them again, so they can push me around and there is little I can > do about it but smile and say thank you. >> >> There are days when I dream of being a hermit in some remote place all by > myself. >> >> RB >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ma >> ilman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinf
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
Amen and AaMen... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:24 PM, WILTON wrote: > Divert. Spending the rest of the night somewhere else and coming back > later is better than NEVER arriving. > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel" < > astrasfo...@gmail.com> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 6:19 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale > > > > But if you're making an approach in the dark and can't see 10' in front of >> the cockpit due to blizzard like conditions wouldn't it be wise to trust >> the automatic controls? >> >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:23 PM, OK Don wrote: >> >> True Andrew, however Grant's point is more relevant to the Air France >>> accident over the Atlantic - where they think a sensor iced over and was >>> giving bad readings. The computer can't keep you in the air with bad >>> data. All of these large aircraft are "too many small parts flying in >>> close >>> formation". >>> >>> I fly by wire - wire cables between the control wheel and the control >>> surfaces! >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel < >>> astrasfo...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > So the computer in the Germanwings disaster was listening to a human > >>> and >>> if >>> > left alone would not hav e crashed the plane. Perhaps we need MORE >>> > technology and less reliance on potential human error. >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> OK Don >>> >>> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! >>> >>> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many >>> of >>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain >>> >>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few >>> who >>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence >>> for themselves." >>> >>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >>> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
Divert. Spending the rest of the night somewhere else and coming back later is better than NEVER arriving. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale But if you're making an approach in the dark and can't see 10' in front of the cockpit due to blizzard like conditions wouldn't it be wise to trust the automatic controls? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:23 PM, OK Don wrote: True Andrew, however Grant's point is more relevant to the Air France accident over the Atlantic - where they think a sensor iced over and was giving bad readings. The computer can't keep you in the air with bad data. All of these large aircraft are "too many small parts flying in close formation". I fly by wire - wire cables between the control wheel and the control surfaces! On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > So the computer in the Germanwings disaster was listening to a human > and if > left alone would not hav e crashed the plane. Perhaps we need MORE > technology and less reliance on potential human error. > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
But if you're making an approach in the dark and can't see 10' in front of the cockpit due to blizzard like conditions wouldn't it be wise to trust the automatic controls? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:23 PM, OK Don wrote: > True Andrew, however Grant's point is more relevant to the Air France > accident over the Atlantic - where they think a sensor iced over and was > giving bad readings. The computer can't keep you in the air with bad > data. All of these large aircraft are "too many small parts flying in close > formation". > > I fly by wire - wire cables between the control wheel and the control > surfaces! > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel > wrote: > > > So the computer in the Germanwings disaster was listening to a human and > if > > left alone would not hav e crashed the plane. Perhaps we need MORE > > technology and less reliance on potential human error. > > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! > > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 front seat frustration
Vicegrips on the nut under car? All these I have seen are a plate welded to the floor pan. If you grind off the head, you probably won't be able to get the rest out to bolt the seat down again. 124 or? Diesel Volk, Trying to remove front passenger seat. Three of four mounting bolts removed. #4 turns / spins, but acts like the nut on the other side of the floor has come loose. Anyone have any ideas? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 front seat frustration
'Tis ground off now. Have to get new bolt and captive nut. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 front seat frustration
Can you pry up on it while turning it? Screwdriver/pry bar under the head? Wilton - Original Message - From: "Max Dillon" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 front seat frustration Limited access, might be able to grind it off with dremel tool. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 30, 2015 5:22:33 PM EDT, Randy Bennell wrote: On 30/03/2015 4:11 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Diesel Volk, Trying to remove front passenger seat. Three of four mounting bolts removed. #4 turns / spins, but acts like the nut on the other side of the floor has come loose. Anyone have any ideas? How is access to the top of the bolt? Can you cut off the head and then drill out the rest of it? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 front seat frustration
Trying the wedge now, no joy. Heat is not an option, carpet would melt. I hate rust. Time to grind! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 30, 2015 5:37:29 PM EDT, Randy Bennell wrote: >On 30/03/2015 4:34 PM, Max Dillon wrote: >> Limited access, might be able to grind it off with dremel tool. >> >Can you drive a chisel or something in between the parts you are trying > >to separate so that you can put some upward pressure on while you try >turning the bolt? >Might not take much to hold it in place just enough that you can turn >it. >I assume you have poured penetrating oil in already. >Can you get at it with one of those little micro torches to put some >heat on it too? > >RB > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 front seat frustration
On 30/03/2015 4:34 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Limited access, might be able to grind it off with dremel tool. Can you drive a chisel or something in between the parts you are trying to separate so that you can put some upward pressure on while you try turning the bolt? Might not take much to hold it in place just enough that you can turn it. I assume you have poured penetrating oil in already. Can you get at it with one of those little micro torches to put some heat on it too? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 front seat frustration
Limited access, might be able to grind it off with dremel tool. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 30, 2015 5:22:33 PM EDT, Randy Bennell wrote: >On 30/03/2015 4:11 PM, Max Dillon wrote: >> Diesel Volk, >> >> Trying to remove front passenger seat. Three of four mounting bolts >removed. >> >> #4 turns / spins, but acts like the nut on the other side of the >floor has come loose. >> >> Anyone have any ideas? > >How is access to the top of the bolt? >Can you cut off the head and then drill out the rest of it? > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 front seat frustration
On 30/03/2015 4:11 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Diesel Volk, Trying to remove front passenger seat. Three of four mounting bolts removed. #4 turns / spins, but acts like the nut on the other side of the floor has come loose. Anyone have any ideas? How is access to the top of the bolt? Can you cut off the head and then drill out the rest of it? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 front seat frustration
Diesel Volk, Trying to remove front passenger seat. Three of four mounting bolts removed. #4 turns / spins, but acts like the nut on the other side of the floor has come loose. Anyone have any ideas? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
The problem with diverting from Halifax is that Gander is probably the closest runway that can take a 320, it's kinda sparse out that way airport wise (and population wise). Maybe PEI, maybe not, and probably the weather wasn't any better anywhere else. As noted in my previous post, a sharp downdraft or microburst happens too fast for the autopilot to "fix", and if the autoland system can't do it, it would be pure luck that a slower to respond human pilot would do any better. On the subject of downdrafts and sudden loss of airspeed, some hoser killed himself over in Souther Illinois this weekend flying his new ultra-light in blustery weather. Must not have read the instructions that clearly state "fly only in still air". Flying an ultralight that goes maybe 25 mph in wind gusts up to 30 is suicidal. Peter Yesterday was crazy windy in the midwest. Everything that was not battened down was moving. They said 30 with gusts higher, Seemed more than that to me. More like 50/60 with higher gusts but it was a wild day. blew into the evening too. it had limbs breaking off bare trees. THAT is windy! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
Ok. .. I'll try to answer this set of questions. You missed the threshold of the runway by almost 1/4 mile. On board, you have a PIC and a Co-Pilot.. both have an ATP rating with recurrent training [required] in the type aircraft being operated. You have radar, Instrument Landing System, Glide Slope, and Visual Glide slope [that descending series of light poles you see at each end of a runway]. Also, you have contact with the Tower, with clearance to land and a current runway condition from them which gives visibility and known runway current condition. Other instruments give you rate of decent, heading, and altitude. You are working from what is called and "approach plate" which is a required document that gives all radio frequencies and navigation frequencies.. typically, the Co-Pilot is assigned the duty to have that in hand. Even if you are on an instrument approach and can not yet see the field, you have all these instruments to give you the physical location of the airplane relative to the airport. [Instrument flying is very challenging because of all you have to watch, on a complex aircraft [airliner size] you use "cockpit resource management" to assign tasks to other crew [ie Co-Pilot]. You watch everything at once and never forget to fly the airplane as the same time. Yet... you make contact with the ground 1/4 mile short... Ops Even with an instrument approach, you must have "runway in sight" to land. The approach plate will state the minimum altitude you must report "runway in sight" or you must "go around" or depart to alternate... Someone failed to meet that minimum.. and before that.. used less than perfect judgement to continue the approach.. at the established decent rate. Exactly why.. or who.. I would not know... bring the wreckage a little closer to the computer so I can see it... [joke intended].. I have a friend here who is a FAA Investigator.. several someones like him will be on the scene creating the wreck in reverse to find the cause(s), of that I am sure. "We are from the FAA, and we are not happy until you are not happy" Grant... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: > But what does it say if you land the plane 1100 feet too soon? > Don't they follow some radio beam down? > No one has said anything about a sudden drop in altitude just before they > hit the power line so I doubt that happened. > Do you get wind shear situations in snow storms? > > One would think with 2 pilots working on the situation,(and yes I know > only one of them would be landing it but I assume the other person is > paying attention and ready to take over - and would voice an opinion if > they did not like what was happening) they should have done better despite > the weather conditions. > > RB > > On 30/03/2015 1:36 PM, G Mann wrote: > >> I join Wilton in calling it pilot error. Regardless of the weather, or >> equipment failure, it is pilots responsibility to land or choose to land >> an >> an alternate. It is a requirement for all commercial flight planning to >> have alternate airports as part of the flight plan. >> >> Tower personnel also always give runway condition advisories for any >> condition which might influence landing conditions. The days of "flying >> blind" are long gone. If runway conditions were below minimums for >> visibility for landing.. a divert to alternate is required.. if Ice is on >> runway and minimum traction requirements are not met.. divert to >> alternate >> is required [ground crews now have machinery that physically test runway >> conditions and report it to tower] >> >> Several bad choices were made to continue the approach and landing, it >> appears. >> >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:14 AM, WILTON wrote: >> >> Pilot error, either way. >>> >>> Wilton >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 >>> >>> >>> On 29/03/2015 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: >>> Or the plane slid on an icy runway and either overran the end or exited > off the side (which is what the title implies). Bad things happen when > the > landing gear sink into mud! > > My guess is that the landing was fairly normal except perhaps for a > variable cross-wind, and they got in trouble on the ground, just like > the > Delta did in Boston or JFK a couple weeks ago. A slick runway without > warning can get scary fast, especially if it's only slick on one side. > > Peter > > News this morning says they landed 1100 feet short of the runway, and > took out a power line and an antenna array on the way in, then slid on the belly onto the runway after losing the landing gear and one of the engines. Pilot error? Or computer error? Lousy weather at the time. Snowing hard and after midnight so lousy visibilty. RB _
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
All of that fine equipment must be monitored and "kept in check" by a human. The ultimate responsibility is the human's. Ya hafta keep asking - just like when using a slide rule - "is that reasonable?" Like the "Wee Too Lo" Korean crew at SF, ya can't just sit back and shoot the bull and let the computer do what you'd like for it to do, especially, if ya gave it wrong info originally. Wilton Kinda sounds like the same crew is working in Canada now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
The problem with diverting from Halifax is that Gander is probably the closest runway that can take a 320, it's kinda sparse out that way airport wise (and population wise). Maybe PEI, maybe not, and probably the weather wasn't any better anywhere else. As noted in my previous post, a sharp downdraft or microburst happens too fast for the autopilot to "fix", and if the autoland system can't do it, it would be pure luck that a slower to respond human pilot would do any better. On the subject of downdrafts and sudden loss of airspeed, some hoser killed himself over in Souther Illinois this weekend flying his new ultra-light in blustery weather. Must not have read the instructions that clearly state "fly only in still air". Flying an ultralight that goes maybe 25 mph in wind gusts up to 30 is suicidal. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
Ever been in an airplane that hit a microburst or serious downdraft while landing? It's very scary, and in many cases even the autopilot can't save you. My personal experience was landing in Louisville, KY in the summer of 1974 during thunderstormy weather. Just as the pilot rotated to land (it was a 727, and they droop at the rear quite a bit) we appeared to fly into either a downdraft or a sudden tailwind and the plane fell out of the air onto the runway. Had a good pilot as he managed to keep enough lift to bounce very hard on one gear, then the other, then both, and finally got it stuck down and stood on the brakes. I later learned that bouncing is the accepted response on a 727, they tend to drive the gears up into the fuel lines on hard landings if things come unstuck and we must have hand plenty of runway. The cabin twisted enough to pop the overhead bins open and dump stuff out -- I distinctly remember a briefcase and a camera sliding down the aisle past my seat, and the low wingtip cleared the ground by a couple feet. Got my head banged into the seat in front of me when the pilot applied full brakes and full reverse thrust -- minimum rollout for a fully loaded 727 is 1500 ft, but it's quite a ride. A320's always use an autoland system that 'greases' them down perfectly, I'd suspect a wind shear first, but given the winter Halifax had this year, a guidance system failure is also possible. Airbus has cured the regretable tendency of the A320 to land short when it dips below glide path, or at least I assume they did after Air India parked a dozen of them when they were new after one landed on a golf course a mile or so from the runway in rough weather. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
I suspect that the problem may be that the computers have become so good that the pilot is complacent and unwilling to second guess it in most cases. I also suspect that an awful lot of planes are landed in less than ideal conditions in Canada in the winter. Not many accidents happen thankfully. RB On 30/03/2015 2:39 PM, WILTON wrote: All of that fine equipment must be monitored and "kept in check" by a human. The ultimate responsibility is the human's. Ya hafta keep asking - just like when using a slide rule - "is that reasonable?" Like the "Wee Too Lo" Korean crew at SF, ya can't just sit back and shoot the bull and let the computer do what you'd like for it to do, especially, if ya gave it wrong info originally. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 Forgive my naivete, but isn't there an automatic landing system that brings the plane in safely in bad weather? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:14 PM, WILTON wrote: Pilot error, either way. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 On 29/03/2015 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Or the plane slid on an icy runway and either overran the end or exited off the side (which is what the title implies). Bad things happen when the landing gear sink into mud! My guess is that the landing was fairly normal except perhaps for a variable cross-wind, and they got in trouble on the ground, just like the Delta did in Boston or JFK a couple weeks ago. A slick runway without warning can get scary fast, especially if it's only slick on one side. Peter News this morning says they landed 1100 feet short of the runway, and took out a power line and an antenna array on the way in, then slid on the belly onto the runway after losing the landing gear and one of the engines. Pilot error? Or computer error? Lousy weather at the time. Snowing hard and after midnight so lousy visibilty. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
All of that fine equipment must be monitored and "kept in check" by a human. The ultimate responsibility is the human's. Ya hafta keep asking - just like when using a slide rule - "is that reasonable?" Like the "Wee Too Lo" Korean crew at SF, ya can't just sit back and shoot the bull and let the computer do what you'd like for it to do, especially, if ya gave it wrong info originally. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 Forgive my naivete, but isn't there an automatic landing system that brings the plane in safely in bad weather? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:14 PM, WILTON wrote: Pilot error, either way. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 On 29/03/2015 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Or the plane slid on an icy runway and either overran the end or exited off the side (which is what the title implies). Bad things happen when the landing gear sink into mud! My guess is that the landing was fairly normal except perhaps for a variable cross-wind, and they got in trouble on the ground, just like the Delta did in Boston or JFK a couple weeks ago. A slick runway without warning can get scary fast, especially if it's only slick on one side. Peter News this morning says they landed 1100 feet short of the runway, and took out a power line and an antenna array on the way in, then slid on the belly onto the runway after losing the landing gear and one of the engines. Pilot error? Or computer error? Lousy weather at the time. Snowing hard and after midnight so lousy visibilty. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
That equipment for checking runway condition (slipperiness - coefficient of friction) during "my time" was a Ford station wagon driven by a pilot (usually lieutenant, captain of young major), usually called "supervisor of flying" (SOF) on "extra duty" to keep pilots preparing to land advised of runway/field conditions. One of his duties on fields under icing or packed-snow conditions was to drive down the runway and suddenly apply brakes and measure the "coefficient of friction" using an acelerometer (deceleration meter) in the car, and call that number to the pilot preparing to land. If the runway were too slippery, we went somewhere else, but very rarely. We landed on a LOTTA ice and packed snow. Wilton - Original Message - From: "G Mann" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 I join Wilton in calling it pilot error. Regardless of the weather, or equipment failure, it is pilots responsibility to land or choose to land an an alternate. It is a requirement for all commercial flight planning to have alternate airports as part of the flight plan. Tower personnel also always give runway condition advisories for any condition which might influence landing conditions. The days of "flying blind" are long gone. If runway conditions were below minimums for visibility for landing.. a divert to alternate is required.. if Ice is on runway and minimum traction requirements are not met.. divert to alternate is required [ground crews now have machinery that physically test runway conditions and report it to tower] Several bad choices were made to continue the approach and landing, it appears. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:14 AM, WILTON wrote: Pilot error, either way. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 On 29/03/2015 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Or the plane slid on an icy runway and either overran the end or exited off the side (which is what the title implies). Bad things happen when the landing gear sink into mud! My guess is that the landing was fairly normal except perhaps for a variable cross-wind, and they got in trouble on the ground, just like the Delta did in Boston or JFK a couple weeks ago. A slick runway without warning can get scary fast, especially if it's only slick on one side. Peter News this morning says they landed 1100 feet short of the runway, and took out a power line and an antenna array on the way in, then slid on the belly onto the runway after losing the landing gear and one of the engines. Pilot error? Or computer error? Lousy weather at the time. Snowing hard and after midnight so lousy visibilty. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
But what does it say if you land the plane 1100 feet too soon? Don't they follow some radio beam down? No one has said anything about a sudden drop in altitude just before they hit the power line so I doubt that happened. Do you get wind shear situations in snow storms? One would think with 2 pilots working on the situation,(and yes I know only one of them would be landing it but I assume the other person is paying attention and ready to take over - and would voice an opinion if they did not like what was happening) they should have done better despite the weather conditions. RB On 30/03/2015 1:36 PM, G Mann wrote: I join Wilton in calling it pilot error. Regardless of the weather, or equipment failure, it is pilots responsibility to land or choose to land an an alternate. It is a requirement for all commercial flight planning to have alternate airports as part of the flight plan. Tower personnel also always give runway condition advisories for any condition which might influence landing conditions. The days of "flying blind" are long gone. If runway conditions were below minimums for visibility for landing.. a divert to alternate is required.. if Ice is on runway and minimum traction requirements are not met.. divert to alternate is required [ground crews now have machinery that physically test runway conditions and report it to tower] Several bad choices were made to continue the approach and landing, it appears. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:14 AM, WILTON wrote: Pilot error, either way. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 On 29/03/2015 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Or the plane slid on an icy runway and either overran the end or exited off the side (which is what the title implies). Bad things happen when the landing gear sink into mud! My guess is that the landing was fairly normal except perhaps for a variable cross-wind, and they got in trouble on the ground, just like the Delta did in Boston or JFK a couple weeks ago. A slick runway without warning can get scary fast, especially if it's only slick on one side. Peter News this morning says they landed 1100 feet short of the runway, and took out a power line and an antenna array on the way in, then slid on the belly onto the runway after losing the landing gear and one of the engines. Pilot error? Or computer error? Lousy weather at the time. Snowing hard and after midnight so lousy visibilty. RB ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
I join Wilton in calling it pilot error. Regardless of the weather, or equipment failure, it is pilots responsibility to land or choose to land an an alternate. It is a requirement for all commercial flight planning to have alternate airports as part of the flight plan. Tower personnel also always give runway condition advisories for any condition which might influence landing conditions. The days of "flying blind" are long gone. If runway conditions were below minimums for visibility for landing.. a divert to alternate is required.. if Ice is on runway and minimum traction requirements are not met.. divert to alternate is required [ground crews now have machinery that physically test runway conditions and report it to tower] Several bad choices were made to continue the approach and landing, it appears. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:14 AM, WILTON wrote: > Pilot error, either way. > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:51 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 > > > On 29/03/2015 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: >> >>> Or the plane slid on an icy runway and either overran the end or exited >>> off the side (which is what the title implies). Bad things happen when the >>> landing gear sink into mud! >>> >>> My guess is that the landing was fairly normal except perhaps for a >>> variable cross-wind, and they got in trouble on the ground, just like the >>> Delta did in Boston or JFK a couple weeks ago. A slick runway without >>> warning can get scary fast, especially if it's only slick on one side. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> News this morning says they landed 1100 feet short of the runway, and >> took out a power line and an antenna array on the way in, then slid on the >> belly onto the runway after losing the landing gear and one of the engines. >> >> Pilot error? Or computer error? >> Lousy weather at the time. Snowing hard and after midnight so lousy >> visibilty. >> >> RB >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
Yes, he took off knowing there was bad weather at the destination. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:14 PM, WILTON wrote: > Pilot error, either way. > > Wilton > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
Wouldn't have left the ground in the first place - - - On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > So to all you aviation nerds: What would you do when attempting to land at > midnight in snowy, windy weather - manually wrestle the aircraft onto the > runway using your wits and brute force, or trust the computer? > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
True Andrew, however Grant's point is more relevant to the Air France accident over the Atlantic - where they think a sensor iced over and was giving bad readings. The computer can't keep you in the air with bad data. All of these large aircraft are "too many small parts flying in close formation". I fly by wire - wire cables between the control wheel and the control surfaces! On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > So the computer in the Germanwings disaster was listening to a human and if > left alone would not hav e crashed the plane. Perhaps we need MORE > technology and less reliance on potential human error. > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.
Sorry, but it's not a liberal trait - it is shared by both ends of the political spectrum. Power corrupts . . . On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > What's good for the goose is good for the gander. > > > Oops! Sorry, the liberal hypocrisy is showing again. > > Liberals and liberal groups (goobermnt) are not subject to the laws that > apply to the commoners. > > > Wasn't there a war once that had something to do with kings and commoners? > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
Go land somewhere else --R On 3/30/15 1:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So to all you aviation nerds: What would you do when attempting to land at midnight in snowy, windy weather - manually wrestle the aircraft onto the runway using your wits and brute force, or trust the computer? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: Pilot error, either way. Wilton The question with the airbus system is do you concentrate on flying the computer, or flying the airplane? Neglecting either can be fatal. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
So to all you aviation nerds: What would you do when attempting to land at midnight in snowy, windy weather - manually wrestle the aircraft onto the runway using your wits and brute force, or trust the computer? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Pilot error, either way. >> >> Wilton >> > > The question with the airbus system is do you concentrate on flying the > computer, or flying the airplane? Neglecting either can be fatal. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
Pilot error, either way. Wilton The question with the airbus system is do you concentrate on flying the computer, or flying the airplane? Neglecting either can be fatal. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
Forgive my naivete, but isn't there an automatic landing system that brings the plane in safely in bad weather? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:14 PM, WILTON wrote: > Pilot error, either way. > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:51 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 > > > On 29/03/2015 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: >> >>> Or the plane slid on an icy runway and either overran the end or exited >>> off the side (which is what the title implies). Bad things happen when the >>> landing gear sink into mud! >>> >>> My guess is that the landing was fairly normal except perhaps for a >>> variable cross-wind, and they got in trouble on the ground, just like the >>> Delta did in Boston or JFK a couple weeks ago. A slick runway without >>> warning can get scary fast, especially if it's only slick on one side. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> News this morning says they landed 1100 feet short of the runway, and >> took out a power line and an antenna array on the way in, then slid on the >> belly onto the runway after losing the landing gear and one of the engines. >> >> Pilot error? Or computer error? >> Lousy weather at the time. Snowing hard and after midnight so lousy >> visibilty. >> >> RB >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
Pilot error, either way. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 On 29/03/2015 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Or the plane slid on an icy runway and either overran the end or exited off the side (which is what the title implies). Bad things happen when the landing gear sink into mud! My guess is that the landing was fairly normal except perhaps for a variable cross-wind, and they got in trouble on the ground, just like the Delta did in Boston or JFK a couple weeks ago. A slick runway without warning can get scary fast, especially if it's only slick on one side. Peter News this morning says they landed 1100 feet short of the runway, and took out a power line and an antenna array on the way in, then slid on the belly onto the runway after losing the landing gear and one of the engines. Pilot error? Or computer error? Lousy weather at the time. Snowing hard and after midnight so lousy visibilty. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
A rubber or plastic tube with, usually, a cone-shaped top end (entry), with spring-loaded valve at its base, placed near lower, front edge of the crewman's seat (low between his legs) and readily/easily accessible and usable for the crewman's "relief" - a "relief tube." 'Could discharge into a receptacle/can aboard the aircraft or overboard. If discharging overboard, be carful of the suction created by the slipstream across the discharge end in flight. For those discharging overboard, there's a possibility that the discharge end can become blocked with ice. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale Not sure what that means but it sounds pretty nasty. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:16 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com < arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote: This is a rare type of accident. When the fuss dies down, airlines will go back to their old ways. Student pilots often spend huge amounts of borrowed money before they can go to work for a budget airline where they will be paid only $20,000 or so per year initially. Gerry P.S. Did you ever get christened while looking up a pee tube to see if it was clear, Wilton? That was a WW-2 initiation. "WILTON" wrote: > Or a urinal in the cockpit, or pee tubes as in days of yore - B-47's, for example. > Wilton > > > Adult diapers could have prevented this whole thing! > > -- > > Max Dillon > > Charleston SC > > '87 300TD > > '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
I see that NSA has been attacked by men dressed as women. Reported, shots fired, some injured.. details anyone? As for the aircraft incident.. sounds like a sequence of bad decisions followed by impact with dirt. More details will come, FAA crash investigators are on the scene. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: > On 29/03/2015 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > >> Or the plane slid on an icy runway and either overran the end or exited >> off the side (which is what the title implies). Bad things happen when the >> landing gear sink into mud! >> >> My guess is that the landing was fairly normal except perhaps for a >> variable cross-wind, and they got in trouble on the ground, just like the >> Delta did in Boston or JFK a couple weeks ago. A slick runway without >> warning can get scary fast, especially if it's only slick on one side. >> >> Peter >> >> News this morning says they landed 1100 feet short of the runway, and > took out a power line and an antenna array on the way in, then slid on the > belly onto the runway after losing the landing gear and one of the engines. > > Pilot error? Or computer error? > Lousy weather at the time. Snowing hard and after midnight so lousy > visibilty. > > RB > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
Isn't that what automated landing systems are for? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: > On 29/03/2015 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > >> Or the plane slid on an icy runway and either overran the end or exited >> off the side (which is what the title implies). Bad things happen when the >> landing gear sink into mud! >> >> My guess is that the landing was fairly normal except perhaps for a >> variable cross-wind, and they got in trouble on the ground, just like the >> Delta did in Boston or JFK a couple weeks ago. A slick runway without >> warning can get scary fast, especially if it's only slick on one side. >> >> Peter >> >> News this morning says they landed 1100 feet short of the runway, and > took out a power line and an antenna array on the way in, then slid on the > belly onto the runway after losing the landing gear and one of the engines. > > Pilot error? Or computer error? > Lousy weather at the time. Snowing hard and after midnight so lousy > visibilty. > > RB > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.
The commoners in this case are the oil and coal companies. Does that make sense? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > What's good for the goose is good for the gander. > > > Oops! Sorry, the liberal hypocrisy is showing again. > > Liberals and liberal groups (goobermnt) are not subject to the laws that > apply to the commoners. > > > Wasn't there a war once that had something to do with kings and commoners? > > > Not even close. >> >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Andrew sez: In the real world, big goobermnt and big enviro hire >>> scientists to promote views that serves the economic interests of the big goobermnt and enviro industries. If real data does not support these views, they make up the data and distort computer models to "prove" their position. Nothing wrong with that, provided you see it for the BS that it is. > Is that what you really meant, Andrew? >> > >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320
On 29/03/2015 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Or the plane slid on an icy runway and either overran the end or exited off the side (which is what the title implies). Bad things happen when the landing gear sink into mud! My guess is that the landing was fairly normal except perhaps for a variable cross-wind, and they got in trouble on the ground, just like the Delta did in Boston or JFK a couple weeks ago. A slick runway without warning can get scary fast, especially if it's only slick on one side. Peter News this morning says they landed 1100 feet short of the runway, and took out a power line and an antenna array on the way in, then slid on the belly onto the runway after losing the landing gear and one of the engines. Pilot error? Or computer error? Lousy weather at the time. Snowing hard and after midnight so lousy visibilty. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
No; never tried to look up one. Wilton - Original Message - From: To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale This is a rare type of accident. When the fuss dies down, airlines will go back to their old ways. Student pilots often spend huge amounts of borrowed money before they can go to work for a budget airline where they will be paid only $20,000 or so per year initially. Gerry P.S. Did you ever get christened while looking up a pee tube to see if it was clear, Wilton? That was a WW-2 initiation. "WILTON" wrote: Or a urinal in the cockpit, or pee tubes as in days of yore - B-47's, for example. Wilton > Adult diapers could have prevented this whole thing! > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '87 300TD > '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Oops! Sorry, the liberal hypocrisy is showing again. Liberals and liberal groups (goobermnt) are not subject to the laws that apply to the commoners. Wasn't there a war once that had something to do with kings and commoners? Not even close. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: Andrew sez: In the real world, big goobermnt and big enviro hire scientists to promote views that serves the economic interests of the big goobermnt and enviro industries. If real data does not support these views, they make up the data and distort computer models to "prove" their position. Nothing wrong with that, provided you see it for the BS that it is. > Is that what you really meant, Andrew? > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.
Not even close. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Andrew sez: In the real world, big goobermnt and big enviro hire >> scientists to promote views that >> serves the economic interests of the big goobermnt and enviro >> industries. If real data does not support these views, they make up the >> data and distort computer models to "prove" their position. Nothing wrong >> with that, provided you see it for the BS that it is. >> >> > Is that what you really meant, Andrew? > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: This is a rare type of accident. Accident? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
Come to the airport Andrew.. I'll demonstrate it to you... Back in the day when there were wooden ships and iron men. Something you missed in your education. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > Not sure what that means but it sounds pretty nasty. > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:16 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com < > arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote: > > > > > This is a rare type of accident. When the fuss dies down, airlines will > go > > back to their old ways. Student pilots often spend huge amounts of > borrowed > > money before they can go to work for a budget airline where they will be > > paid only $20,000 or so per year initially. > > Gerry > > P.S. Did you ever get christened while looking up a pee tube to see if it > > was clear, Wilton? That was a WW-2 initiation. > > > > "WILTON" wrote: > > > Or a urinal in the cockpit, or pee tubes as in days of yore - B-47's, > > for example. > > > Wilton > > > > > > > Adult diapers could have prevented this whole thing! > > > > -- > > > > Max Dillon > > > > Charleston SC > > > > '87 300TD > > > > '95 E300 > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.
Andrew sez: In the real world, big goobermnt and big enviro hire scientists to promote views that serves the economic interests of the big goobermnt and enviro industries. If real data does not support these views, they make up the data and distort computer models to "prove" their position. Nothing wrong with that, provided you see it for the BS that it is. Is that what you really meant, Andrew? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
Not sure what that means but it sounds pretty nasty. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:16 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com < arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote: > > This is a rare type of accident. When the fuss dies down, airlines will go > back to their old ways. Student pilots often spend huge amounts of borrowed > money before they can go to work for a budget airline where they will be > paid only $20,000 or so per year initially. > Gerry > P.S. Did you ever get christened while looking up a pee tube to see if it > was clear, Wilton? That was a WW-2 initiation. > > "WILTON" wrote: > > Or a urinal in the cockpit, or pee tubes as in days of yore - B-47's, > for example. > > Wilton > > > > > Adult diapers could have prevented this whole thing! > > > -- > > > Max Dillon > > > Charleston SC > > > '87 300TD > > > '95 E300 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.
Like these guys? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3017373/Obama-loses-footing-getting-Air-Force-One-weekend-golf-getaway-Florida-played-donor-friends-sports-franchise-owners.html The president's Sunday also featured a golf game with Houston Astros owner Jim Crane, who is a major Democratic party donor with a net worth estimated at $2billion. The pair's foursome was joined by Mitch Carroll, who is on the board of directors at oil company Halliburton, and private equity investor Glenn Hutchins, part owner of the Boston Celtics. --R On 3/30/15 11:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: In the real world, big oil and coal hire scientists to promote views that serves the economic interests of the polluting industries. Nothing wrong with that, provided you see it for the BS that it is. On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: Andrew sez: It's much more comforting to rely on the best data money can buy. IT is true, that those who surround themselves with the "best data money can buy" and "yesmen" and devoted followers are comforted in their cocoon. However that is not reality. In the real world, honest people tell you things you don't want to hear, things that harm you, things that are uncomfortable, and sometimes good things. It is seldom comfortable. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
This is a rare type of accident. When the fuss dies down, airlines will go back to their old ways. Student pilots often spend huge amounts of borrowed money before they can go to work for a budget airline where they will be paid only $20,000 or so per year initially. Gerry P.S. Did you ever get christened while looking up a pee tube to see if it was clear, Wilton? That was a WW-2 initiation. "WILTON" wrote: > Or a urinal in the cockpit, or pee tubes as in days of yore - B-47's, for > example. > Wilton > > > Adult diapers could have prevented this whole thing! > > -- > > Max Dillon > > Charleston SC > > '87 300TD > > '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.
In the real world, big oil and coal hire scientists to promote views that serves the economic interests of the polluting industries. Nothing wrong with that, provided you see it for the BS that it is. On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Andrew sez: It's much more comforting to rely on the best data money can >> buy. >> >> > IT is true, that those who surround themselves with the "best data money > can buy" and "yesmen" and devoted followers are comforted in their cocoon. > > However that is not reality. In the real world, honest people tell you > things you don't want to hear, things that harm you, things that are > uncomfortable, and sometimes good things. It is seldom comfortable. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
Thank you, I'll be here all week! --R On 3/30/15 10:28 AM, WILTON wrote: Your good, your good. ;<) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale It Depends --R On 3/30/15 7:07 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Adult diapers could have prevented this whole thing! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
Or a urinal in the cockpit, or pee tubes as in days of yore - B-47's, for example. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Max Dillon" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale Adult diapers could have prevented this whole thing! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
Your good, your good. ;<) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale It Depends --R On 3/30/15 7:07 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Adult diapers could have prevented this whole thing! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
It Depends --R On 3/30/15 7:07 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Adult diapers could have prevented this whole thing! Everyone throw rotten tomatoes at Rich! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
It Depends --R On 3/30/15 7:07 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Adult diapers could have prevented this whole thing! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale
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Re: [MBZ] OT - HF Bulk Paint Sprayer
Our stucco house, which was built in 1995, was power sprayed with Porter paint. It didn't get repainted until 2013, and could have been pressure cleaned to like new condition then, but there were a few areas around the eaves and the back of the shop that looked questionable, so it was repainted after being pressure washed and allowed to dry. Porter seems to have the best mold resisting formula. Nearly all the painters we knew used it both here and in Gainesville unless their customers specified otherwise. I agree with Grant that renting a commercial sprayer is best. I rented one to spray the inside of the shop after finishing the drywall. It was very fast and did a good job. Masking can take a lot of time, but its faster than brushing IMO. Gerry On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 05:34:57 -0400 Dan Penoff wrote: > Stucco for the most part. The parts that aren't stucco are the fascia and > soffits, along with a few areas where plywood is used as a "ceiling". > > Dan > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Mar 29, 2015, at 10:51 PM, G Mann wrote: > > > > On the issue of spraying vs brushing... sprayer exit pressure is about > > 1,400 psi .. it will put paint into the texture of rough surfaces like > > block and stucco you simply can't get to with a brush or roller, and use > > less paint doing it.. In my experience.. > > > > With just a little practice finish will be better, unless you are going for > > some texture finish with a specialty roller... > > > >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:48 PM, G Mann wrote: > >> > >> I also own two, a Wagner and a Graco. Both work well. However, If I were > >> at a decision point, my decision would be to rent one from a good reliable > >> rental company. > >> > >> Prep the house in advance of picking up the sprayer so it's ready to paint > >> as much as possible and you make best use of the rental time. > >> > >> Most rental yards will use a higher quality unit than you can afford to > >> buy, and they will keep it in good working order. The last one I rented > >> [sprayers were at ranch, I needed to paint a house in town 100 miles away] > >> had adjustable pressure, which is a very nice feature. > >> > >> My call would be to rent one, use it for the job... clean it a bit and > >> take it back. Done and done. > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Rich Thomas < > >> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: > >> > >>> I don't think spraying is as good as brushing to get the paint worked > >>> into the base. > >>> > >>> --R (sent from my miniPad) > >>> > >>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > >>> > >>> I’ve used one of the Gracos - I painted the in-laws house last year. 1 > >>> story, 1200 SF concrete block house with a 1 car attached garage. Spent a > >>> day prepping and about 2 hours to paint, which was nice. > >>> > >>> A lot of the HF reviews compare theirs to the Graco and most say it’s > >>> better. There are a lot of reviews for it, too. > >>> > >>> Thanks! > >>> > >>> Dan > >>> > >>> > > On Mar 29, 2015, at 7:41 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Anyone ever buy/use one of these? I'm talking about the bulk paint > >>> sprayer they sent a coupon out for $179 recently. > > > > Gotta paint the house this year. Not looking forward to it, nor am I > >>> keen about dropping $3k to pay someone to do it. > > > > I have used bulk sprayers before, just wondering if this one is decent. > > > > Dan > > I have a wagner and a graco. I use the wagner gun with both. Both > >>> work. the graco is easier to use with 5 gal buckets. It is a tall one. > >>> The wagner has to be set on something to use in 5 gal buckets. > > 1. only use new unopened containers of paint, thoroughly mixed. > > 2. Always wash it out thoroughly > > 3. after finished, put some Nondetergent oil in the valve on the pump. > > A. Masking takes way longer than painting. > B. anyplace you don't want paint on should be masked, Overspray > >>> happens. > C. Figure on 2 coats. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >>
Re: [MBZ] OT - HF Bulk Paint Sprayer
Stucco for the most part. The parts that aren't stucco are the fascia and soffits, along with a few areas where plywood is used as a "ceiling". Dan Sent from my iPad > On Mar 29, 2015, at 10:51 PM, G Mann wrote: > > On the issue of spraying vs brushing... sprayer exit pressure is about > 1,400 psi .. it will put paint into the texture of rough surfaces like > block and stucco you simply can't get to with a brush or roller, and use > less paint doing it.. In my experience.. > > With just a little practice finish will be better, unless you are going for > some texture finish with a specialty roller... > >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:48 PM, G Mann wrote: >> >> I also own two, a Wagner and a Graco. Both work well. However, If I were >> at a decision point, my decision would be to rent one from a good reliable >> rental company. >> >> Prep the house in advance of picking up the sprayer so it's ready to paint >> as much as possible and you make best use of the rental time. >> >> Most rental yards will use a higher quality unit than you can afford to >> buy, and they will keep it in good working order. The last one I rented >> [sprayers were at ranch, I needed to paint a house in town 100 miles away] >> had adjustable pressure, which is a very nice feature. >> >> My call would be to rent one, use it for the job... clean it a bit and >> take it back. Done and done. >> >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Rich Thomas < >> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: >> >>> I don't think spraying is as good as brushing to get the paint worked >>> into the base. >>> >>> --R (sent from my miniPad) >>> >>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: >>> >>> I’ve used one of the Gracos - I painted the in-laws house last year. 1 >>> story, 1200 SF concrete block house with a 1 car attached garage. Spent a >>> day prepping and about 2 hours to paint, which was nice. >>> >>> A lot of the HF reviews compare theirs to the Graco and most say it’s >>> better. There are a lot of reviews for it, too. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> > On Mar 29, 2015, at 7:41 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Anyone ever buy/use one of these? I'm talking about the bulk paint >>> sprayer they sent a coupon out for $179 recently. > > Gotta paint the house this year. Not looking forward to it, nor am I >>> keen about dropping $3k to pay someone to do it. > > I have used bulk sprayers before, just wondering if this one is decent. > > Dan I have a wagner and a graco. I use the wagner gun with both. Both >>> work. the graco is easier to use with 5 gal buckets. It is a tall one. >>> The wagner has to be set on something to use in 5 gal buckets. 1. only use new unopened containers of paint, thoroughly mixed. 2. Always wash it out thoroughly 3. after finished, put some Nondetergent oil in the valve on the pump. A. Masking takes way longer than painting. B. anyplace you don't want paint on should be masked, Overspray >>> happens. C. Figure on 2 coats. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
