Re: [MBZ] Gov. Taking

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Scott wrote:
> The aspect of the current refugee situation which amazes me is the media
> focus on the refugees while completely ignoring the situation that is
> creating the problem.  This is like focusing totally on burn treatments
> while refusing to put out (or even acknowledge) the fire.

Very wise - thank you, Scott.
Go ahead - give us an idea what is creating the problem.
mao

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[MBZ] My paatz have returned.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Got my Febi, genyuwine made in germany, spheres today.Thelonius Monk must be 
smiling.

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Re: [MBZ] God's plan for aging

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Well, lotsa JP-4, anyway; occasional 115/145 octane (avgas).   ;<)

Wilton

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Wilton has been high on the real thing -- a clean windshield, powerful 
gasoline (or Jet A), and a shoeshine!


--R



On 9/12/15 11:42 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
Well, I'm 81, but I've never considered myself any of 'em.  Maybe I'm 
distinguished casual - 5'-10", 180 lbs., white hair, seldom wear a 
suit and tie any more; "uniform" has become light blue, short sleeve 
shirt with iPhone in pocket, khaki pants, clean shoes with some sheen 
(not glossy); always well-groomed - shave, shower, shampoo daily; 
fingernails well-manicured and clean, haircut every 2 weeks; have all 
of my original teeth, including several crowns, but minus 4 wisdom 
teeth; never been a drinker or smoker; I don't chase women (one 60+ 
years ago has been enough); your wife, daughter, money and property 
would be safe with me.


Wilton (never leapt a tall building, never stopped a train, not faster 
than speeding bullet, but I've stopped several B-52's and dodged a few 
bullets and several very fast guided missiles) ;<)



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Re: [MBZ] Benzin price Wuz: CLK55 needed

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Max wrote:
> My father wanted to drive his really nice Adenauer.

Nice car!!
Does your family still have that car?
Brooklyn, WI has the best known Adenauer restoration place in the
world, Brooklyn Motoren Werkes - beautiful place, Albrecht Stachel.
mao

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[MBZ] This looks like it might be a decent car

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

1995 Mercedes Benz e320
http://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5218714119.html

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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Jim wrote:
> 90% of such a proposal would be a materials problem.

GE made the news this year - 3D printed turbine engine.
What's that all about?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Gov. Taking

[WILTON via Mercedes]

My thoughts, too.

Wilton

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I'll throw in my 0.02 Mao..

If you look at the video footage of the "refugees" you will see well fed
adult muslim males with cell phones and good shoes, 18 to 35 yrs old.. 70+
% fit that profile.. Few women, and very few children..

If you raise an army, who do you draft?  Answer is.. adult males, 18 to 35
yrs old.
Healthy.

This is being sold as a "refugee situation" .. it is in fact not.. It is 
an

"invasion force" that is not being recognized as one by European and now
USA leaders.

I predict, I believe with some accuracy, the western civilizations are
"importing trouble at their own expense".

My view are only colored from a deep understanding of the islamic mind.
Your views may vary..

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Scott wrote:
> The aspect of the current refugee situation which amazes me is the 
> media

> focus on the refugees while completely ignoring the situation that is
> creating the problem.  This is like focusing totally on burn treatments
> while refusing to put out (or even acknowledge) the fire.

Very wise - thank you, Scott.
Go ahead - give us an idea what is creating the problem.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Benzin price Wuz: CLK55 needed

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

No, I think he bought it for under $1k and sold it about a year later for about 
$1k.  Worse than Snook, it is rare for him to keep a nice car for more than a 
couple years.  I can just barely remember that car.  When I was I high school 
and starting to become car-aware, we looked up its book value, which back then 
was over $15k.

-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 12, 2015 12:24:48 PM EDT, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Max wrote:
>> My father wanted to drive his really nice Adenauer.
>
>Nice car!!
>Does your family still have that car?
>Brooklyn, WI has the best known Adenauer restoration place in the
>world, Brooklyn Motoren Werkes - beautiful place, Albrecht Stachel.
>mao
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT VeeDub Tranny

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Automatic? That would be a DSG (dual sport gearbox) which is really a manual 
that you don't do the shifting on. I personally don't like them but I've only 
driven them in gassers.
Anyway there is a service interval (40,000 miles) on them and like most VW 
autos they're very sensitive to it. They're also sensitive to having the 
"proper" DSG fluid. Also getting just the right amount of fluid in is quite 
important. VW have clearly made this difficult for the DIYer but folks have 
figured ways around it.
http://www.myturbodiesel.com/wiki/dsg-fluid-drain-and-replacement-service-vw-and-audi-stronic-oil-flush/
-Curt

  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 11:27 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT VeeDub Tranny
   
So my cousin just had to spend $3k on a new tranny and some other stuff 
for her 08 Golf I think it was.  Apparently the tranny is "sealed" and 
in some checkup to figure out why it was not working properly her mech 
somehow determined that it was pretty much burned up, fluid all black 
and stinky.  Is that true, you couldn't change the fluid in those things 
and somehow VW expected they would just work forever (or until the 
warranty expired)?  Wow.  Is this a common problem with those things?

--R



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Re: [MBZ] Worth messing with?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Totally worth checking out anyway. It cries out for the $50 Rustoleum paint 
job. If it were closer and I had indoor storage. I'm not buying another MB 
until I have indoor storage.
-Curt
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 Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 7:56 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Worth messing with?
   


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Re: [MBZ] God's plan for aging

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Thank you, Sir.

Wilton

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Gentleman
A little recognized category that comes with age and distinction.

Thank you Wilton,

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 8:42 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 


wrote:


Well, I'm 81, but I've never considered myself any of 'em.  Maybe I'm
distinguished casual - 5'-10", 180 lbs., white hair, seldom wear a suit 
and

tie any more; "uniform" has become light blue, short sleeve shirt with
iPhone in pocket, khaki pants, clean shoes with some sheen (not glossy);
always well-groomed - shave, shower, shampoo daily; fingernails
well-manicured and clean, haircut every 2 weeks; have all of my original
teeth, including several crowns, but minus 4 wisdom teeth; never been a
drinker or smoker; I don't chase women (one 60+ years ago has been 
enough);

your wife, daughter, money and property would be safe with me.

Wilton (never leapt a tall building, never stopped a train, not faster
than speeding bullet, but I've stopped several B-52's and dodged a few
bullets and several very fast guided missiles)  ;<)

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Fred Moir wrote:

I'm becoming an olde coot.




1) Distinguished: Geezer who wears suits, ties, shiny shoes, and is well

groomed most of the time.

2) Duffer: Golfer of ordinary ability: Includes geezers.

3) Codger: old-fashioned or eccentric geezer.

4) Geezer: Old man.



5) Coot: Eccentric geezer.




(Definitions from Oxford Dictionary)


Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.




> Gerry wrote:

> Someone mentioned that there are several of us geezers on the list >
(those over about 75 years) in a somewhat critical tone. Younger people 
 >

(those under 65) do find us geezers; with our various deficiencies; >
threatening or disturbing. Just so they can understand why we have > 
these
unique habits, here are explanations of why the Creator designed > us 
this

way:
>
> > > God's plan for aging
> > > Most seniors never get enough exercise. In His wisdom God decreed
> > > that
> > > seniors become forgetful so they would have to search for their
> > > glasses, keys and other things thus doing more walking. And God >
> > looked
> > > down and saw that it was good.
> > > Then God saw there was another need. In His wisdom He made 
> > > seniors
> > > lose coordination so they would drop things requiring them to 
> > > bend,

> > > reach & stretch. And God looked down and saw that it was good.
> > > Then God considered the function of bladders and decided seniors 
> > >  >

> > would
> > > have additional calls of nature requiring more trips to the > > >
bathroom,
> > > thus providing more exercise. God looked down and saw that it was
> > > good.
> > > So if you find as you age, you are getting up and down more, > > 
> > >  >

remember
> > > it’s God’s will. It is all in your best interest even though you
> > > mutter under your breath.
>
> > > Nine Important Facts To Remember As We Grow Older
> > > #9 Death is the number 1 killer in the world.
> > > #8 Life is sexually transmitted.
> > > #7 Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one
can > > > die.
> > > #6 Men have 2 motivations: hunger and hanky panky, and they can't
> > > tell
> > > them apart. If you see a gleam in his eyes, make him a sandwich.
> > > #5 Give a person a fish and you feed them for a day. Teach a
person > > > to
> > > use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks, months, 
> > > maybe

> > > years.
> > > #4 Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in the
> > > hospital, dying of nothing.
> > > #3 All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no
> > > attention to criticism.
> > > #2 In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the
> > > world is weird, and people take Prozac to make it normal.
> > > #1 Life is like a jar of jalapeno peppers. What you do today may
be > > > a
> > > burning issue tomorrow.
>
>
> We geezers allow for the shortsightedness of youth (those under 65)
who > assiduously ignore the fact that in a few short years they will 
be >

geezers too.
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Some years ago, I was involved in the design and build of a Allison 250
turbine engine sprint car [dirt track]. The engine used for that car came
from the residual engines from the Indy car. It came as a pallet of parts
and tech manuals.

The car was configured as a 4 wheel drive sprint car, turbine engine
powered. Double radical design.

It ran successfully in competition with way more power than it needed,
however because it was built around a direct drive connection [at the
owners insistence despite my strong advice otherwise] the car was simply
not manageable in the short dirt track.
To make the corners at full power and speed off the straights it required
massive brakes to slow down against the engine at peak power..

After only a couple laps, the massive 4 wheel double caliper brakes were
glowing red hot... a couple more laps and the tires caught on fire from
brake heat.. serious energy management problem, to say the least.

Several fixes were tried, all within the owners [check writers] fixation
with direct drive coupling.. None worked... other than spend more of the
owners money.

I came forward with a modification of the compressor surge valve which
would dump compressor air, connected to a foot throttle.. so the driver
controlled not the fuel but the air available for combustion. This would
allow a needed reduction of power going into the turns with an almost
instant return to full power upon closing the modified surge valve.
Since this device played on the combustion can pressure wave front, if not
handled carefully, it could cause the engine to flame out, or to "Surge",
which is a condition where the flame front travels from the burner can
forward in the flow path and out through the compressor section ..
potentially with violence enough to destroy the compressor blades, so
driver has to know what to do to manage the engine.

The race season finished while the modification was being worked out, the
owner/check writer decided he had lost enough money pursuing his "pet car"
and the sponsors weren't impressed with it's poor showing on the circuit,
thus it got rolled into the back of the warehouse to be sold off for race
parts and who knows where it is now..

Power to weight ratio was really fantastic. The engine put out a constant
1,200 HP in a car that weighed 1,400 lbs, so the potential was there.. just
couldn't manage the power in the environment effectively.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> cool.  I didn't read the earlier posts but figured someone must have
> remembered that.  Us Hoosiers I guess...
>
> I have this idea that there should be an "unlimited" race series, let the
> drivers assess the risk and have at it.  It would generate all kinds of
> interesting engineering and vehicles and perhaps safety innovations too.
> Enough of all the wimpy rules and restrictions.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 9/12/15 12:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I mentioned this early in the thread.
>>
>> I saw the car run twice (actually more than that if you include time
>> trials and carburetion day) and it was amazing.
>>
>> Yes, it dropped out with eight laps to go, not due to an engine issue but
>> a bearing failure in the transmission.
>>
>> The following year it was wrecked and never driven again.
>>
>> And of course USAC pretty much ruled it out of competition by mandating
>> an inlet opening that limited the top speed.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey, y'all remember Parnelli Jones's turbine car at the Indy 500,
>>> right?  Mid-late 60s?  I think he ran it 2 years and it was cleaning up the
>>> first time until a transmission bearing broke.  I forget what happened the
>>> next year, maybe a crash?  Then the race organizers banned turbines.  I
>>> don't remember much about it, I was fairly young, but I am assuming the
>>> turbine just ran at some fairly constant RPM and the tranny handled the
>>> speed aspect.  I think the advantage was it had high torque that let him
>>> sprint out of the turns.  I should study that some.
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Gov. Taking

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I'll throw in my 0.02 Mao..

If you look at the video footage of the "refugees" you will see well fed
adult muslim males with cell phones and good shoes, 18 to 35 yrs old.. 70+
% fit that profile.. Few women, and very few children..

If you raise an army, who do you draft?  Answer is.. adult males, 18 to 35
yrs old.
Healthy.

This is being sold as a "refugee situation" .. it is in fact not.. It is an
"invasion force" that is not being recognized as one by European and now
USA leaders.

I predict, I believe with some accuracy, the western civilizations are
"importing trouble at their own expense".

My view are only colored from a deep understanding of the islamic mind.
Your views may vary..

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> Scott wrote:
> > The aspect of the current refugee situation which amazes me is the media
> > focus on the refugees while completely ignoring the situation that is
> > creating the problem.  This is like focusing totally on burn treatments
> > while refusing to put out (or even acknowledge) the fire.
>
> Very wise - thank you, Scott.
> Go ahead - give us an idea what is creating the problem.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] My paatz have returned.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Cool. Now to  get them on before the Q? I have new headlight doors on both
my 123 & 124- the extent of my  pre event tinkering.
On Sep 12, 2015 4:47 PM, "Fred Moir via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Got my Febi, genyuwine made in germany, spheres today.Thelonius Monk must
> be smiling.
>
> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 11:52:18 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Jim wrote:
> > 90% of such a proposal would be a materials problem.
> 
> GE made the news this year - 3D printed turbine engine.
> What's that all about?
> mao

http://3dprintingindustry.com/2014/11/11/ge-test-fires-mini-3d-printed-jet-engine/
Bartosik explains that, with the technology, not only could he
create complex geometries unattainable with other manufacturing
techniques, but that they were able to produce the parts for the
engine with high-temperature, high-strength alloys that they
wouldn’t have been able to create parts with otherwise. After
post-processing the printed parts with machining tools,
Bartosik’s team tested the RC engine in a test cell at GE
Aviation, getting it to run up to speeds of 33,000 RPMs.

http://engineertomorrow.com/watch-ges-3d-printed-mini-jet-engine-reach-speeds-up-to-33000-rpm/

Watch GE’s 3D-printed mini jet engine reach speeds up to
33,000 RPM

http://3dprint.com/11266/3d-printed-lpt-ge9x-777x/
GE Considers 3D Printing Turbine Blades for Next Generation
Boeing 777X’s GE9X Engines

If and when GE begins additively manufacturing these LPT [low
pressure turbine] blades, they will likely be produced from a
titanium aluminide powder, a strong, light-weight material which
is traditionally very difficult to work with. From an additive
manufacturing perspective, however, it is much easier to produce
parts with then with casting. While most major manufacturers are
not close to being ready to begin producing incredibly important
parts for products which must work perfectly, like that of an
aircraft engine, General Electric has been doing so for years.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/12/02/both-ge-and-rolls-royce-are-to-use-3d-printing-to-make-jet-engines-by-violating-enginererings-prime-commandment/
Both GE and Rolls Royce Are To Use 3D Printing To Make Jet
Engines And Violate Engineering's Prime Commandment

There is an old and important saying in engineering: fast, better,
cheaper. The point being that you can only ever have two out of
the three. But in this pair of tales about how both GE and Rolls
Royce are to be using 3D printing in order to produce their
respective jet engines we’ve an interesting violation of that
basic engineering commandment.

http://www.cnet.com/news/ge-releases-instructions-for-3d-printable-jet-engine/
GE releases instructions for 3D-printable jet engine

If you head over to Thingiverse, you can get instructions for a
hand-cranked, 3D-printable jet engine, courtesy of GE.

If you've ever felt your life didn't have enough jet engines in
it, now there's a way you can get one of your very own; just
don't expect it to actually power anything.

The engine in question is actually a 3D-printed model, designed
by GE. Although its parts move in the same way as a real jet
engine, it's scaled down, simplified, made of 3D printer
material, and powered not by combustion but by a hand crank. 

http://3dprintingindustry.com/2014/08/11/3d-printing-ge-jet-engine/
3D Printed, Mass Produced Parts To Give GE’s New Jet Engines an
Extra Boost

This video show exactly what GE’s has in mind for 3D printing:

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Re: [MBZ] Gov. Taking

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Zackly.

Wilton

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Once again, Grant's comments reflect a keen understanding of history and 
the

long-term geopolitical facts of life.  In fact, even if 100% of the
"refugees" were children, that would only delay the inevitable outcome by 
a
generation.  I would go a step beyond Grant's conclusion by saying that 
the

western liberal democracies are importing their own demise at their own
expense.  Nikita said the West would sell the very rope the USSR would use
to hand the Capitalists.  This is even more ironic.  The cause (per MAO's
question) is the anarchy that has prevailed in the power vacuum from Syria
to Iraq and North Africa, coupled with message that the world powers will 
do

nothing (except Russia who is stoking the coals).


-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G
Mann via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 1:19 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: G Mann 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gov. Taking

I'll throw in my 0.02 Mao..

If you look at the video footage of the "refugees" you will see well fed

adult
muslim males with cell phones and good shoes, 18 to 35 yrs old.. 70+ % 
fit

that

profile.. Few women, and very few children..

If you raise an army, who do you draft?  Answer is.. adult males, 18 to 
35

yrs

old.
Healthy.

This is being sold as a "refugee situation" .. it is in fact not.. It is

an "invasion

force" that is not being recognized as one by European and now USA

leaders.


I predict, I believe with some accuracy, the western civilizations are

"importing

trouble at their own expense".

My view are only colored from a deep understanding of the islamic mind.
Your views may vary..

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Scott wrote:
> > The aspect of the current refugee situation which amazes me is the
> > media focus on the refugees while completely ignoring the situation
> > that is creating the problem.  This is like focusing totally on burn
> > treatments while refusing to put out (or even acknowledge) the fire.
>
> Very wise - thank you, Scott.
> Go ahead - give us an idea what is creating the problem.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Gov. Taking

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Nope, it's Bush's fault.  Bush lied, people died, even Hillary! knows that...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 12, 2015 2:50:21 PM EDT, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Once again, Grant's comments reflect a keen understanding of history
>and the
>long-term geopolitical facts of life.  In fact, even if 100% of the
>"refugees" were children, that would only delay the inevitable outcome
>by a
>generation.  I would go a step beyond Grant's conclusion by saying that
>the
>western liberal democracies are importing their own demise at their own
>expense.  Nikita said the West would sell the very rope the USSR would
>use
>to hand the Capitalists.  This is even more ironic.  The cause (per
>MAO's
>question) is the anarchy that has prevailed in the power vacuum from
>Syria
>to Iraq and North Africa, coupled with message that the world powers
>will do
>nothing (except Russia who is stoking the coals).
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G
>> Mann via Mercedes
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 1:19 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: G Mann 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gov. Taking
>> 
>> I'll throw in my 0.02 Mao..
>> 
>> If you look at the video footage of the "refugees" you will see well
>fed
>adult
>> muslim males with cell phones and good shoes, 18 to 35 yrs old.. 70+
>% fit
>that
>> profile.. Few women, and very few children..
>> 
>> If you raise an army, who do you draft?  Answer is.. adult males, 18
>to 35
>yrs
>> old.
>> Healthy.
>> 
>> This is being sold as a "refugee situation" .. it is in fact not.. It
>is
>an "invasion
>> force" that is not being recognized as one by European and now USA
>leaders.
>> 
>> I predict, I believe with some accuracy, the western civilizations
>are
>"importing
>> trouble at their own expense".
>> 
>> My view are only colored from a deep understanding of the islamic
>mind.
>> Your views may vary..
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > Scott wrote:
>> > > The aspect of the current refugee situation which amazes me is
>the
>> > > media focus on the refugees while completely ignoring the
>situation
>> > > that is creating the problem.  This is like focusing totally on
>burn
>> > > treatments while refusing to put out (or even acknowledge) the
>fire.
>> >
>> > Very wise - thank you, Scott.
>> > Go ahead - give us an idea what is creating the problem.
>> > mao
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Re: [MBZ] Gov. Taking

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

The followers of Mahomet are still upset that they got run out of Spain 
500 years ago and are bent on getting control of Europe again.  They 
probably aren't far off in a few countries because the indigenos are not 
reproducing much and the FoMs are, per the plan. The Germans are going 
to let in 800k "refugees" probably because they need some workers to 
keep the place going and to pay off the old aryans who are retiring and 
need their pensions and free stuff. I'm guessing it won't take long for 
the "refugees" to catch on to the game and decide they aren't going to 
pay up anymore, probably after they suck the economies dry with their 
free stuff.  Great plan, inshallah.  Probably won't even need to be 
blowing stuff up much anymore, aside from the occasional cartoonist or 
artist or novelist or unreconstructed politician.


And the Iraniums will have nukes right quick and $150bil to spread 
around to assist in the conquest.  Perhaps we need a president with a 
"RESET" button!


Anyone know how to write "Mercedes" in arabic script?

--R



On 9/12/15 2:50 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

Once again, Grant's comments reflect a keen understanding of history and the
long-term geopolitical facts of life.  In fact, even if 100% of the
"refugees" were children, that would only delay the inevitable outcome by a
generation.  I would go a step beyond Grant's conclusion by saying that the
western liberal democracies are importing their own demise at their own
expense.  Nikita said the West would sell the very rope the USSR would use
to hand the Capitalists.  This is even more ironic.  The cause (per MAO's
question) is the anarchy that has prevailed in the power vacuum from Syria
to Iraq and North Africa, coupled with message that the world powers will do
nothing (except Russia who is stoking the coals).


-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G
Mann via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 1:19 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: G Mann 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gov. Taking

I'll throw in my 0.02 Mao..

If you look at the video footage of the "refugees" you will see well fed

adult

muslim males with cell phones and good shoes, 18 to 35 yrs old.. 70+ % fit

that

profile.. Few women, and very few children..

If you raise an army, who do you draft?  Answer is.. adult males, 18 to 35

yrs

old.
Healthy.

This is being sold as a "refugee situation" .. it is in fact not.. It is

an "invasion

force" that is not being recognized as one by European and now USA

leaders.

I predict, I believe with some accuracy, the western civilizations are

"importing

trouble at their own expense".

My view are only colored from a deep understanding of the islamic mind.
Your views may vary..

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Scott wrote:

The aspect of the current refugee situation which amazes me is the
media focus on the refugees while completely ignoring the situation
that is creating the problem.  This is like focusing totally on burn
treatments while refusing to put out (or even acknowledge) the fire.

Very wise - thank you, Scott.
Go ahead - give us an idea what is creating the problem.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] My paatz have returned.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Dwight.With any luck Sunday and Monday are fix the car days.TTFN

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 16:50:38 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] My paatz have returned.
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: dwight.gi...@gmail.com
> 
> Cool. Now to  get them on before the Q? I have new headlight doors on both
> my 123 & 124- the extent of my  pre event tinkering.
> On Sep 12, 2015 4:47 PM, "Fred Moir via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
> > Got my Febi, genyuwine made in germany, spheres today.Thelonius Monk must
> > be smiling.
> >
> > Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
  
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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

cool.  I didn't read the earlier posts but figured someone must have 
remembered that.  Us Hoosiers I guess...


I have this idea that there should be an "unlimited" race series, let 
the drivers assess the risk and have at it.  It would generate all kinds 
of interesting engineering and vehicles and perhaps safety innovations 
too.  Enough of all the wimpy rules and restrictions.


--R



On 9/12/15 12:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I mentioned this early in the thread.

I saw the car run twice (actually more than that if you include time trials and 
carburetion day) and it was amazing.

Yes, it dropped out with eight laps to go, not due to an engine issue but a 
bearing failure in the transmission.

The following year it was wrecked and never driven again.

And of course USAC pretty much ruled it out of competition by mandating an 
inlet opening that limited the top speed.

Dan

Sent from my iPad


On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
wrote:

Hey, y'all remember Parnelli Jones's turbine car at the Indy 500, right?  
Mid-late 60s?  I think he ran it 2 years and it was cleaning up the first time 
until a transmission bearing broke.  I forget what happened the next year, 
maybe a crash?  Then the race organizers banned turbines.  I don't remember 
much about it, I was fairly young, but I am assuming the turbine just ran at 
some fairly constant RPM and the tranny handled the speed aspect.  I think the 
advantage was it had high torque that let him sprint out of the turns.  I 
should study that some.

--R



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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I've always (well, since about 1946, anyway) thought it should be unlimited.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Rich Thomas" 
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis 
h*ters]



cool.  I didn't read the earlier posts but figured someone must have 
remembered that.  Us Hoosiers I guess...


I have this idea that there should be an "unlimited" race series, let the 
drivers assess the risk and have at it.  It would generate all kinds of 
interesting engineering and vehicles and perhaps safety innovations too. 
Enough of all the wimpy rules and restrictions.


--R



On 9/12/15 12:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I mentioned this early in the thread.

I saw the car run twice (actually more than that if you include time 
trials and carburetion day) and it was amazing.


Yes, it dropped out with eight laps to go, not due to an engine issue but 
a bearing failure in the transmission.


The following year it was wrecked and never driven again.

And of course USAC pretty much ruled it out of competition by mandating 
an inlet opening that limited the top speed.


Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Hey, y'all remember Parnelli Jones's turbine car at the Indy 500, right? 
Mid-late 60s?  I think he ran it 2 years and it was cleaning up the 
first time until a transmission bearing broke.  I forget what happened 
the next year, maybe a crash?  Then the race organizers banned turbines. 
I don't remember much about it, I was fairly young, but I am assuming 
the turbine just ran at some fairly constant RPM and the tranny handled 
the speed aspect.  I think the advantage was it had high torque that let 
him sprint out of the turns.  I should study that some.


--R



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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 11:52:18 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Jim wrote:
> > 90% of such a proposal would be a materials problem.
> 
> GE made the news this year - 3D printed turbine engine.
> What's that all about?
> mao

http://3dprintingindustry.com/2014/11/11/ge-test-fires-mini-3d-printed-jet-engine/
Bartosik explains that, with the technology, not only could he
create complex geometries unattainable with other manufacturing
techniques, but that they were able to produce the parts for the
engine with high-temperature, high-strength alloys that they
wouldn’t have been able to create parts with otherwise. After
post-processing the printed parts with machining tools,
Bartosik’s team tested the RC engine in a test cell at GE
Aviation, getting it to run up to speeds of 33,000 RPMs.

http://engineertomorrow.com/watch-ges-3d-printed-mini-jet-engine-reach-speeds-up-to-33000-rpm/

Watch GE’s 3D-printed mini jet engine reach speeds up to
33,000 RPM

http://3dprint.com/11266/3d-printed-lpt-ge9x-777x/
GE Considers 3D Printing Turbine Blades for Next Generation
Boeing 777X’s GE9X Engines

If and when GE begins additively manufacturing these LPT [low
pressure turbine] blades, they will likely be produced from a
titanium aluminide powder, a strong, light-weight material which
is traditionally very difficult to work with. From an additive
manufacturing perspective, however, it is much easier to produce
parts with then with casting. While most major manufacturers are
not close to being ready to begin producing incredibly important
parts for products which must work perfectly, like that of an
aircraft engine, General Electric has been doing so for years.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/12/02/both-ge-and-rolls-royce-are-to-use-3d-printing-to-make-jet-engines-by-violating-enginererings-prime-commandment/
Both GE and Rolls Royce Are To Use 3D Printing To Make Jet
Engines And Violate Engineering's Prime Commandment

There is an old and important saying in engineering: fast, better,
cheaper. The point being that you can only ever have two out of
the three. But in this pair of tales about how both GE and Rolls
Royce are to be using 3D printing in order to produce their
respective jet engines we’ve an interesting violation of that
basic engineering commandment.

http://www.cnet.com/news/ge-releases-instructions-for-3d-printable-jet-engine/
GE releases instructions for 3D-printable jet engine

If you head over to Thingiverse, you can get instructions for a
hand-cranked, 3D-printable jet engine, courtesy of GE.

If you've ever felt your life didn't have enough jet engines in
it, now there's a way you can get one of your very own; just
don't expect it to actually power anything.

The engine in question is actually a 3D-printed model, designed
by GE. Although its parts move in the same way as a real jet
engine, it's scaled down, simplified, made of 3D printer
material, and powered not by combustion but by a hand crank. 

http://3dprintingindustry.com/2014/08/11/3d-printing-ge-jet-engine/
3D Printed, Mass Produced Parts To Give GE’s New Jet Engines an
Extra Boost

This video show exactly what GE’s has in mind for 3D printing:

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Re: [MBZ] Is this thing still on?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 12:28:44 -0600 Craig via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I send in a reply to Mao about 45 minutes ago, but haven't seen it yet.

Yup, I guess it still is.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] This looks like it might be a decent car

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 16:36:02 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> 
> 
> 1995 Mercedes Benz e320
> http://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5218714119.html

Looks nice. I am not, however, in a position to move on it.


Craig

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[MBZ] Worth messing with?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

STEAL This 1967 250s mercedes $1500,OBO or trade for car or? or OBO
http://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5217432414.html

via cPro Craigslist App
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Re: [MBZ] God's plan for aging

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Agreed.A true and gentle knight.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 09:15:02 -0700
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] God's plan for aging
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: g2ma...@gmail.com
> 
> Gentleman
> A little recognized category that comes with age and distinction.
> 
> Thank you Wilton,
> 
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 8:42 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> > Well, I'm 81, but I've never considered myself any of 'em.  Maybe I'm
> > distinguished casual - 5'-10", 180 lbs., white hair, seldom wear a suit and
> > tie any more; "uniform" has become light blue, short sleeve shirt with
> > iPhone in pocket, khaki pants, clean shoes with some sheen (not glossy);
> > always well-groomed - shave, shower, shampoo daily; fingernails
> > well-manicured and clean, haircut every 2 weeks; have all of my original
> > teeth, including several crowns, but minus 4 wisdom teeth; never been a
> > drinker or smoker; I don't chase women (one 60+ years ago has been enough);
> > your wife, daughter, money and property would be safe with me.
> >
> > Wilton (never leapt a tall building, never stopped a train, not faster
> > than speeding bullet, but I've stopped several B-52's and dodged a few
> > bullets and several very fast guided missiles)  ;<)
  
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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Rick wrote:
> You need to watch the whole episode‎. South Park Season 10 Episode 2. It's on 
> Hulu.
>

Hulu used to happen.
Hulu upgraded their requirements.  My machine is 15+ years old, so...
yeah, SouthPark ain't happenin.
the youtube summary was back and forth preachy
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Worth messing with?

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

No

> On Sep 12, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> STEAL This 1967 250s mercedes $1500,OBO or trade for car or? or OBO
> http://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5217432414.html
> 
> via cPro Craigslist App
> iOS: http://tinyurl.com/CL-iDevice
> Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

HA.
The CVTs used in cars today in most cases is LITERALLY a snowmobile belt drive 
system. Good for up to maybe 200hp but shrapnel beyond that.
I wonder if you could make a hydraulic drive system that would survive it? 
Otherwise its a good place for a series hybrid...
-Curt


  From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> 
 Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 7:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis 
h*ters]
   
Seems like a good application for a CVT.

>GMANN: Some years ago, I was involved in the design and build of a Allison 250


>turbine engine sprint car [dirt track]. The engine used for that car came
>from the residual engines from the Indy car. It came as a pallet of parts
>and tech manuals.
>
>The car was configured as a 4 wheel drive sprint car, turbine engine
>powered. Double radical design.
>
>It ran successfully in competition with way more power than it needed,
>however because it was built around a direct drive connection [at the
>owners insistence despite my strong advice otherwise] the car was simply
>not manageable in the short dirt track.
>To make the corners at full power and speed off the straights it required
>massive brakes to slow down against the engine at peak power..
>
>After only a couple laps, the massive 4 wheel double caliper brakes were
>glowing red hot... a couple more laps and the tires caught on fire from
>brake heat.. serious energy management problem, to say the least.
>
>Several fixes were tried, all within the owners [check writers] fixation
>with direct drive coupling.. None worked... other than spend more of the
>owners money.
>
>I came forward with a modification of the compressor surge valve which
>would dump compressor air, connected to a foot throttle.. so the driver
>controlled not the fuel but the air available for combustion. This would
>allow a needed reduction of power going into the turns with an almost
>instant return to full power upon closing the modified surge valve.
>Since this device played on the combustion can pressure wave front, if not
>handled carefully, it could cause the engine to flame out, or to "Surge",
>which is a condition where the flame front travels from the burner can
>forward in the flow path and out through the compressor section ..
>potentially with violence enough to destroy the compressor blades, so
>driver has to know what to do to manage the engine.
>
>The race season finished while the modification was being worked out, the
>owner/check writer decided he had lost enough money pursuing his "pet car"
>and the sponsors weren't impressed with it's poor showing on the circuit,
>thus it got rolled into the back of the warehouse to be sold off for race
>parts and who knows where it is now..
>
>Power to weight ratio was really fantastic. The engine put out a constant
>1,200 HP in a car that weighed 1,400 lbs, so the potential was there.. just
>couldn't manage the power in the environment effectively.
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT VeeDub Tranny

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Or, you can just pay the dealer $400 to do it for you . . .

I do like the DSG tranny in our Diesel - seems just right, I don't know how
they tuned it so 'right'.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Automatic? That would be a DSG (dual sport gearbox) which is really a
> manual that you don't do the shifting on. I personally don't like them but
> I've only driven them in gassers.
> Anyway there is a service interval (40,000 miles) on them and like most VW
> autos they're very sensitive to it. They're also sensitive to having the
> "proper" DSG fluid. Also getting just the right amount of fluid in is quite
> important. VW have clearly made this difficult for the DIYer but folks have
> figured ways around it.
>
> http://www.myturbodiesel.com/wiki/dsg-fluid-drain-and-replacement-service-vw-and-audi-stronic-oil-flush/
> -Curt
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 21:02:28 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Hmmm - perhaps one of these would work for a series hybrid system?
> 
> http://www.jakadofsky.com/index1.php?bereichID=11=en



> 24/28 Volt, 300 Amps continuous

8.4 kW

> Consumption: 10 litres (2,5 gal) per hour

20 gallons in 8 hours


> Here's another one - just add the generator:
> 
> http://www.jetcatusa.com/spt5.html


> Fuel consumption: 8 oz per/min at full power

That equates to 3.75 gallons/hour -- more than the unit above!


> Maintenance interval: 25 hours

Aye, there's the rub!

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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 21:02:28 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Hmmm - perhaps one of these would work for a series hybrid system?
> 
> http://www.jakadofsky.com/index1.php?bereichID=11=en
> 
> Here's another one - just add the generator:
> 
> http://www.jetcatusa.com/spt5.html


Actually, better for adding a generator are:

http://www.jakadofsky.com/index1.php?bereichID=4=en

The page even has prices: 3999.00 - 8999.00 euros


The fuel consumption of the bottom turbine (the only one with fuel
consumption listed) is 3.17 gallons/hr.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 22:04:24 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The gas turbines on my old ship drove the main reduction gear by
> pushing the hot exhaust gas over a turbine, which was mechanically
> connected to drive an input shaft.  This was called a fluid coupling.

I wonder how efficient it was.


> The red. gear brought the speed down from some high RPM to about 100
> RPM, and then the propeller had variable pitch so the ship's speed
> could vary from reverse to about 30 knots forward.  Our stern would
> walk to starboard when the engines were at "all stop" because the shaft
> and prop were still spinning, which made docking maneuvering fun.

I'll bet it did. But didn't you have stern thrusters to counteract that?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Worth messing with?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have had a few cars ruined because of no indoor storage.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2015, at 7:18 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Totally worth checking out anyway. It cries out for the $50 Rustoleum paint 
> job. If it were closer and I had indoor storage. I'm not buying another MB 
> until I have indoor storage.
> -Curt
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> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin  
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 7:56 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] Worth messing with?
> 
> 
> 
> STEAL This 1967 250s mercedes $1500,OBO or trade for car or? or OBO
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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

The gas turbines on my old ship drove the main reduction gear by pushing the 
hot exhaust gas over a turbine, which was mechanically connected to drive an 
input shaft.  This was called a fluid coupling. The red. gear brought the speed 
down from some high RPM to about 100 RPM, and then the propeller had variable 
pitch so the ship's speed could vary from reverse to about 30 knots forward.  
Our stern would walk to starboard when the engines were at "all stop" because 
the shaft and prop were still spinning, which made docking maneuvering fun.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Seems like a good application for a CVT.


GMANN: Some years ago, I was involved in the design and build of a Allison 250
turbine engine sprint car [dirt track]. The engine used for that car came
from the residual engines from the Indy car. It came as a pallet of parts
and tech manuals.

The car was configured as a 4 wheel drive sprint car, turbine engine
powered. Double radical design.

It ran successfully in competition with way more power than it needed,
however because it was built around a direct drive connection [at the
owners insistence despite my strong advice otherwise] the car was simply
not manageable in the short dirt track.
To make the corners at full power and speed off the straights it required
massive brakes to slow down against the engine at peak power..

After only a couple laps, the massive 4 wheel double caliper brakes were
glowing red hot... a couple more laps and the tires caught on fire from
brake heat.. serious energy management problem, to say the least.

Several fixes were tried, all within the owners [check writers] fixation
with direct drive coupling.. None worked... other than spend more of the
owners money.

I came forward with a modification of the compressor surge valve which
would dump compressor air, connected to a foot throttle.. so the driver
controlled not the fuel but the air available for combustion. This would
allow a needed reduction of power going into the turns with an almost
instant return to full power upon closing the modified surge valve.
Since this device played on the combustion can pressure wave front, if not
handled carefully, it could cause the engine to flame out, or to "Surge",
which is a condition where the flame front travels from the burner can
forward in the flow path and out through the compressor section ..
potentially with violence enough to destroy the compressor blades, so
driver has to know what to do to manage the engine.

The race season finished while the modification was being worked out, the
owner/check writer decided he had lost enough money pursuing his "pet car"
and the sponsors weren't impressed with it's poor showing on the circuit,
thus it got rolled into the back of the warehouse to be sold off for race
parts and who knows where it is now..

Power to weight ratio was really fantastic. The engine put out a constant
1,200 HP in a car that weighed 1,400 lbs, so the potential was there.. just
couldn't manage the power in the environment effectively.



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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Hmmm - perhaps one of these would work for a series hybrid system?

http://www.jakadofsky.com/index1.php?bereichID=11=en

Here's another one - just add the generator:

http://www.jetcatusa.com/spt5.html



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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Problem set you need to consider:

1. Turbine engines do not "idle".. what you would equate to "idle" would be
70% RPM. Below that, the burner flame front and balance of air flow through
the engine becomes unstable. Operational power for small turbines comes on
in the 100,000 RPM range which translates to about 90% power setting.
Efficiency drops dramatically at "idle", fuel nozzle coking increases,
emissions increase, etc.

2. Because of the heat stress and RPM centrifugal stress generated with
each start and shutdown, the cycle life of a turbine engine is limited.
Repeatedly starting then shutting down the turbine subtracts a life cycle
with each start against the service limit of the engine.

Add all that into the design plan which you just laid out. The laws of
physics are not easily bent..

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 10:41 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 19:38:48 -0700
> Jim Cathey via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> > > What kind of turbine would one use?
> >
> > One that doesn't exist yet!
> >
> > > Any idea where to buy one?
> >
> > In the future, I hope.
> >
> > > Turbine engine may make sense on paper, but in reality, there is no
> > > cheap
> > > turbine engine.
> >
> > They're not cheap, so we don't sell a lot of them.  We don't sell
> > a lot of them, so there's no incentive to do the development to
> > make them cheap.  Circular problem.
> >
> > I still maintain that, if the materials and manufacturing received
> > even a fraction of the effort that has gone into Otto engines, small
> > (20HP or so) turbines would be highly attractive.  And _very_ well
> > suited for series hybrid applications.  (Not 'automotive' applications.
> > That term has too many implicit assumptions.)
> >
> > > How would one gear it down to useful RPM?
> >
> > By running at high RPM's, and taking the output as 3-phase electricity
> > not shaft horsepower, the thing would be relatively cheap and quite
> > efficient.  Yes, there would be some significant development costs.
> > But it would be small, efficient, hot, quiet, and reliable.  Not overly
> > cheap, but those other factors would make up for it.  And it (with
> > its battery pack and charge controller) would make a heck of a
> > jellybean component that would have many other uses, such
> > as a genny for an RV, emergency power, etc.
> >
> > If it existed, we would sell millions of the things.
> >
> > -- Jim
> _
>
> You're sitting in a rush hour traffic jam.
>
> The turbine is running at max and the current is going into the battery(s).
>
> The batteries fill up and the turbine shuts down.
>
> The traffic inches forward a few car lengths and the batteries drive the
> car forward to keep up with traffic.
>
> The traffic starts moving at normal speed and the batteries propel the car
> until exhausted. Then the turbine spools up, drives the car, and charges
> the batteries.
>
> You would probably need more battery capacity so the turbine would spool
> up and down less often than a typical hybrid cars engine.
>
> Based on how the Prius operates, it would very likely work, and with a few
> tweaks of a leased Prius control system (which is currently leased by Ford,
> GM, and several foreign manufacturers) the cost could be kept low for all
> but the turbine.
> Gerry
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[MBZ] OT VeeDub Tranny

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

So my cousin just had to spend $3k on a new tranny and some other stuff 
for her 08 Golf I think it was.  Apparently the tranny is "sealed" and 
in some checkup to figure out why it was not working properly her mech 
somehow determined that it was pretty much burned up, fluid all black 
and stinky.  Is that true, you couldn't change the fluid in those things 
and somehow VW expected they would just work forever (or until the 
warranty expired)?  Wow.  Is this a common problem with those things?


--R



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Re: [MBZ] God's plan for aging

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Well, I'm 81, but I've never considered myself any of 'em.  Maybe I'm 
distinguished casual - 5'-10", 180 lbs., white hair, seldom wear a suit and 
tie any more; "uniform" has become light blue, short sleeve shirt with 
iPhone in pocket, khaki pants, clean shoes with some sheen (not glossy); 
always well-groomed - shave, shower, shampoo daily; fingernails 
well-manicured and clean, haircut every 2 weeks; have all of my original 
teeth, including several crowns, but minus 4 wisdom teeth; never been a 
drinker or smoker; I don't chase women (one 60+ years ago has been enough); 
your wife, daughter, money and property would be safe with me.


Wilton (never leapt a tall building, never stopped a train, not faster than 
speeding bullet, but I've stopped several B-52's and dodged a few bullets 
and several very fast guided missiles)  ;<)


- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] God's plan for aging




Fred Moir wrote:


I'm becoming an olde coot.


1) Distinguished: Geezer who wears suits, ties, shiny shoes, and is well 
groomed most of the time.


2) Duffer: Golfer of ordinary ability: Includes geezers.

3) Codger: old-fashioned or eccentric geezer.

4) Geezer: Old man.



5) Coot: Eccentric geezer.


(Definitions from Oxford Dictionary)



Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.



> Gerry wrote:
> Someone mentioned that there are several of us geezers on the list 
> (those over about 75 years) in a somewhat critical tone. Younger people 
> (those under 65) do find us geezers; with our various deficiencies; 
> threatening or disturbing. Just so they can understand why we have 
> these unique habits, here are explanations of why the Creator designed 
> us this way:

>
> > > God's plan for aging
> > > Most seniors never get enough exercise. In His wisdom God decreed 
> > > that

> > > seniors become forgetful so they would have to search for their
> > > glasses, keys and other things thus doing more walking. And God 
> > > looked

> > > down and saw that it was good.
> > > Then God saw there was another need. In His wisdom He made seniors
> > > lose coordination so they would drop things requiring them to bend,
> > > reach & stretch. And God looked down and saw that it was good.
> > > Then God considered the function of bladders and decided seniors 
> > > would
> > > have additional calls of nature requiring more trips to the 
> > > bathroom,
> > > thus providing more exercise. God looked down and saw that it was 
> > > good.
> > > So if you find as you age, you are getting up and down more, 
> > > remember

> > > it’s God’s will. It is all in your best interest even though you
> > > mutter under your breath.
>
> > > Nine Important Facts To Remember As We Grow Older
> > > #9 Death is the number 1 killer in the world.
> > > #8 Life is sexually transmitted.
> > > #7 Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can 
> > > die.
> > > #6 Men have 2 motivations: hunger and hanky panky, and they can't 
> > > tell

> > > them apart. If you see a gleam in his eyes, make him a sandwich.
> > > #5 Give a person a fish and you feed them for a day. Teach a person 
> > > to

> > > use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks, months, maybe
> > > years.
> > > #4 Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in the
> > > hospital, dying of nothing.
> > > #3 All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no
> > > attention to criticism.
> > > #2 In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the
> > > world is weird, and people take Prozac to make it normal.
> > > #1 Life is like a jar of jalapeno peppers. What you do today may be 
> > > a

> > > burning issue tomorrow.
>
>
> We geezers allow for the shortsightedness of youth (those under 65) who 
> assiduously ignore the fact that in a few short years they will be 
> geezers too.

> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

90% of such a proposal would be a materials problem.  Advantages
are that we're only talking about maybe 20HP, so the diameter of
the thing would be small, making the physical (but not thermal)
stresses more modest.  There would be LOTS of details to work
out; the development bill would be large.  I just think (wish?)
the payoff would be worth it.  With a single operating point
(which turbines kinda already have) the efficiency, noise, and
emissions could be optimized.  And it doesn't fly, so that'd
translate to a whole bunch of cost savings in the end.  That's
my dream, anyway.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] God's plan for aging

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Wilton has been high on the real thing -- a clean windshield, powerful 
gasoline (or Jet A), and a shoeshine!


--R



On 9/12/15 11:42 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
Well, I'm 81, but I've never considered myself any of 'em.  Maybe I'm 
distinguished casual - 5'-10", 180 lbs., white hair, seldom wear a 
suit and tie any more; "uniform" has become light blue, short sleeve 
shirt with iPhone in pocket, khaki pants, clean shoes with some sheen 
(not glossy); always well-groomed - shave, shower, shampoo daily; 
fingernails well-manicured and clean, haircut every 2 weeks; have all 
of my original teeth, including several crowns, but minus 4 wisdom 
teeth; never been a drinker or smoker; I don't chase women (one 60+ 
years ago has been enough); your wife, daughter, money and property 
would be safe with me.


Wilton (never leapt a tall building, never stopped a train, not faster 
than speeding bullet, but I've stopped several B-52's and dodged a few 
bullets and several very fast guided missiles) ;<)



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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I mentioned this early in the thread.

I saw the car run twice (actually more than that if you include time trials and 
carburetion day) and it was amazing.

Yes, it dropped out with eight laps to go, not due to an engine issue but a 
bearing failure in the transmission.

The following year it was wrecked and never driven again.

And of course USAC pretty much ruled it out of competition by mandating an 
inlet opening that limited the top speed.

Dan

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> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey, y'all remember Parnelli Jones's turbine car at the Indy 500, right?  
> Mid-late 60s?  I think he ran it 2 years and it was cleaning up the first 
> time until a transmission bearing broke.  I forget what happened the next 
> year, maybe a crash?  Then the race organizers banned turbines.  I don't 
> remember much about it, I was fairly young, but I am assuming the turbine 
> just ran at some fairly constant RPM and the tranny handled the speed aspect. 
>  I think the advantage was it had high torque that let him sprint out of the 
> turns.  I should study that some.
> 
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] God's plan for aging

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Gentleman
A little recognized category that comes with age and distinction.

Thank you Wilton,

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 8:42 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Well, I'm 81, but I've never considered myself any of 'em.  Maybe I'm
> distinguished casual - 5'-10", 180 lbs., white hair, seldom wear a suit and
> tie any more; "uniform" has become light blue, short sleeve shirt with
> iPhone in pocket, khaki pants, clean shoes with some sheen (not glossy);
> always well-groomed - shave, shower, shampoo daily; fingernails
> well-manicured and clean, haircut every 2 weeks; have all of my original
> teeth, including several crowns, but minus 4 wisdom teeth; never been a
> drinker or smoker; I don't chase women (one 60+ years ago has been enough);
> your wife, daughter, money and property would be safe with me.
>
> Wilton (never leapt a tall building, never stopped a train, not faster
> than speeding bullet, but I've stopped several B-52's and dodged a few
> bullets and several very fast guided missiles)  ;<)
>
> - Original Message - From: "archer75--- via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 12:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] God's plan for aging
>
>
>
>> Fred Moir wrote:
>>
>> I'm becoming an olde coot.
>>>
>>
>> 1) Distinguished: Geezer who wears suits, ties, shiny shoes, and is well
>>> groomed most of the time.
>>>
>>> 2) Duffer: Golfer of ordinary ability: Includes geezers.
>>>
>>> 3) Codger: old-fashioned or eccentric geezer.
>>>
>>> 4) Geezer: Old man.
>>>
>>
>> 5) Coot: Eccentric geezer.
>>>
>>
>> (Definitions from Oxford Dictionary)
>>
>>
>> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
>>>
>>
>> > Gerry wrote:
>>> > Someone mentioned that there are several of us geezers on the list >
>>> (those over about 75 years) in a somewhat critical tone. Younger people >
>>> (those under 65) do find us geezers; with our various deficiencies; >
>>> threatening or disturbing. Just so they can understand why we have > these
>>> unique habits, here are explanations of why the Creator designed > us this
>>> way:
>>> >
>>> > > > God's plan for aging
>>> > > > Most seniors never get enough exercise. In His wisdom God decreed
>>> > > > that
>>> > > > seniors become forgetful so they would have to search for their
>>> > > > glasses, keys and other things thus doing more walking. And God >
>>> > > looked
>>> > > > down and saw that it was good.
>>> > > > Then God saw there was another need. In His wisdom He made seniors
>>> > > > lose coordination so they would drop things requiring them to bend,
>>> > > > reach & stretch. And God looked down and saw that it was good.
>>> > > > Then God considered the function of bladders and decided seniors >
>>> > > would
>>> > > > have additional calls of nature requiring more trips to the > > >
>>> bathroom,
>>> > > > thus providing more exercise. God looked down and saw that it was
>>> > > > good.
>>> > > > So if you find as you age, you are getting up and down more, > > >
>>> remember
>>> > > > it’s God’s will. It is all in your best interest even though you
>>> > > > mutter under your breath.
>>> >
>>> > > > Nine Important Facts To Remember As We Grow Older
>>> > > > #9 Death is the number 1 killer in the world.
>>> > > > #8 Life is sexually transmitted.
>>> > > > #7 Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one
>>> can > > > die.
>>> > > > #6 Men have 2 motivations: hunger and hanky panky, and they can't
>>> > > > tell
>>> > > > them apart. If you see a gleam in his eyes, make him a sandwich.
>>> > > > #5 Give a person a fish and you feed them for a day. Teach a
>>> person > > > to
>>> > > > use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks, months, maybe
>>> > > > years.
>>> > > > #4 Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in the
>>> > > > hospital, dying of nothing.
>>> > > > #3 All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no
>>> > > > attention to criticism.
>>> > > > #2 In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the
>>> > > > world is weird, and people take Prozac to make it normal.
>>> > > > #1 Life is like a jar of jalapeno peppers. What you do today may
>>> be > > > a
>>> > > > burning issue tomorrow.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > We geezers allow for the shortsightedness of youth (those under 65)
>>> who > assiduously ignore the fact that in a few short years they will be >
>>> geezers too.
>>> > Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] God's plan for aging

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Some years ago we trekked the Inca Trail.  Our guide was this very nice 
young man who spoke English quite well, but he had one of those little 
digital recorders to record our mealtime conversations, then he would 
listen to it later while walking or at night, to learn English better, 
and some of the idioms and what not.  When we got to Machu Picchu there 
were a bunch of geezers walking around, they had taken the bus up.  I 
made a derogatory reference to the geezers and our guide became very 
intrigued, "What is gee-zair?"  I explained what a geezer was, and he 
got it and thought it was funny, there was some spanish word for geezers 
that he told me, I forget what it was.  So anyway he was fascinated by 
the word, liked the sound of it I guess, and kept practicing it, 
"gee-zair" he would say and I would correct him, "gee-ZERR"  He kept 
trying but never quite got it.  He had me say it into the recorder a few 
times so he could practice.  I heard him walking around after the 
conversation, listening to the recorder and mumbling "gee-zair" to 
himself and chuckling.  It was pretty funny.


--R (who has a while to go, but whose daughter accuses him of acting 
like one)


On 9/12/15 12:53 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Fred Moir wrote:


I'm becoming an olde coot.
1) Distinguished: Geezer who wears suits, ties, shiny shoes, and is well  
groomed most of the time.

2) Duffer: Golfer of ordinary ability: Includes geezers.

3) Codger: old-fashioned or eccentric geezer.

4) Geezer: Old man.
  

5) Coot: Eccentric geezer.

(Definitions from Oxford Dictionary)



Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
  

Gerry wrote:
Someone mentioned that there are several of us geezers on the list (those over 
about 75 years) in a somewhat critical tone. Younger people (those under 65) do 
find us geezers; with our various deficiencies; threatening or disturbing. Just 
so they can understand why we have these unique habits, here are explanations 
of why the Creator designed us this way:


God's plan for aging
Most seniors never get enough exercise. In His wisdom God decreed that
seniors become forgetful so they would have to search for their
glasses, keys and other things thus doing more walking. And God looked
down and saw that it was good.
Then God saw there was another need. In His wisdom He made seniors
lose coordination so they would drop things requiring them to bend,
reach & stretch. And God looked down and saw that it was good.
Then God considered the function of bladders and decided seniors would
have additional calls of nature requiring more trips to the bathroom,
thus providing more exercise. God looked down and saw that it was good.
So if you find as you age, you are getting up and down more, remember
it’s God’s will. It is all in your best interest even though you
mutter under your breath.
Nine Important Facts To Remember As We Grow Older
#9 Death is the number 1 killer in the world.
#8 Life is sexually transmitted.
#7 Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.
#6 Men have 2 motivations: hunger and hanky panky, and they can't tell
them apart. If you see a gleam in his eyes, make him a sandwich.
#5 Give a person a fish and you feed them for a day. Teach a person to
use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks, months, maybe
years.
#4 Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in the
hospital, dying of nothing.
#3 All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no
attention to criticism.
#2 In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the
world is weird, and people take Prozac to make it normal.
#1 Life is like a jar of jalapeno peppers. What you do today may be a
burning issue tomorrow.


We geezers allow for the shortsightedness of youth (those under 65) who 
assiduously ignore the fact that in a few short years they will be geezers too.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Very rare car

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Didn't know they moved it.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Jon Agne via Mercedes" 

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Cc: "Jon Agne" 
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very rare car



Made in STOCKHOLM, Germany!!!  WOW!


On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:05 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
 wrote:


I want one of those dealer quilts!

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Ooooh, an invisible car...
-Curt

 From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 9:08 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Very rare car

Somebody needs to jump on this quick

http://maine.craigslist.org/cto/5217362694.html

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Re: [MBZ] Gov. Taking

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

You could move just up the road to the south side of Chitown, I hear it 
is like a war zone there.


--R



On 9/11/15 7:14 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

As Scott pointed out - there ain't no free.  Trade places.  I been
here all my life.  Trade place is intended to be permanent, not
vacation.  Someone else can learn the hatred of others and fear that
we love to propagate.  And I can learn how to eat the food there in
war wreck that you want to eat here in the comfort of luxury with fear
and wealth with hatred.
mao



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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Hey, y'all remember Parnelli Jones's turbine car at the Indy 500, 
right?  Mid-late 60s?  I think he ran it 2 years and it was cleaning up 
the first time until a transmission bearing broke.  I forget what 
happened the next year, maybe a crash?  Then the race organizers banned 
turbines.  I don't remember much about it, I was fairly young, but I am 
assuming the turbine just ran at some fairly constant RPM and the tranny 
handled the speed aspect.  I think the advantage was it had high torque 
that let him sprint out of the turns.  I should study that some.


--R



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[MBZ] Why Aren’t Other Luxury Sedans As Popular As The Mercedes S-Class?

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

http://jalopnik.com/why-aren-t-other-luxury-sedans-as-popular-as-the-merced-1729806949

--R

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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On September 10, 2015 at 11:14 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and thereby
> reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.

https://youtu.be/mHnkt_xzEeA?t=1m13s

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Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis h*ters]

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yeah Columbus, threres nothing to the west but more ocean. Everybody knows 
that...



Curt

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From:"G Mann via Mercedes" 
Date:Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 2:07 AM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] Turbines for power and heat [was Re: The demise pf Pruis  
h*ters]

Problem set you need to consider:

1. Turbine engines do not "idle".. what you would equate to "idle" would be
70% RPM. Below that, the burner flame front and balance of air flow through
the engine becomes unstable. Operational power for small turbines comes on
in the 100,000 RPM range which translates to about 90% power setting.
Efficiency drops dramatically at "idle", fuel nozzle coking increases,
emissions increase, etc.

2. Because of the heat stress and RPM centrifugal stress generated with
each start and shutdown, the cycle life of a turbine engine is limited.
Repeatedly starting then shutting down the turbine subtracts a life cycle
with each start against the service limit of the engine.

Add all that into the design plan which you just laid out. The laws of
physics are not easily bent..

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 10:41 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 19:38:48 -0700
> Jim Cathey via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> > > What kind of turbine would one use?
> >
> > One that doesn't exist yet!
> >
> > > Any idea where to buy one?
> >
> > In the future, I hope.
> >
> > > Turbine engine may make sense on paper, but in reality, there is no
> > > cheap
> > > turbine engine.
> >
> > They're not cheap, so we don't sell a lot of them.  We don't sell
> > a lot of them, so there's no incentive to do the development to
> > make them cheap.  Circular problem.
> >
> > I still maintain that, if the materials and manufacturing received
> > even a fraction of the effort that has gone into Otto engines, small
> > (20HP or so) turbines would be highly attractive.  And _very_ well
> > suited for series hybrid applications.  (Not 'automotive' applications.
> > That term has too many implicit assumptions.)
> >
> > > How would one gear it down to useful RPM?
> >
> > By running at high RPM's, and taking the output as 3-phase electricity
> > not shaft horsepower, the thing would be relatively cheap and quite
> > efficient.  Yes, there would be some significant development costs.
> > But it would be small, efficient, hot, quiet, and reliable.  Not overly
> > cheap, but those other factors would make up for it.  And it (with
> > its battery pack and charge controller) would make a heck of a
> > jellybean component that would have many other uses, such
> > as a genny for an RV, emergency power, etc.
> >
> > If it existed, we would sell millions of the things.
> >
> > -- Jim
> _
>
> You're sitting in a rush hour traffic jam.
>
> The turbine is running at max and the current is going into the battery(s).
>
> The batteries fill up and the turbine shuts down.
>
> The traffic inches forward a few car lengths and the batteries drive the
> car forward to keep up with traffic.
>
> The traffic starts moving at normal speed and the batteries propel the car
> until exhausted. Then the turbine spools up, drives the car, and charges
> the batteries.
>
> You would probably need more battery capacity so the turbine would spool
> up and down less often than a typical hybrid cars engine.
>
> Based on how the Prius operates, it would very likely work, and with a few
> tweaks of a leased Prius control system (which is currently leased by Ford,
> GM, and several foreign manufacturers) the cost could be kept low for all
> but the turbine.
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Very rare car

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

I want one of those dealer quilts!

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> Ooooh, an invisible car...
> -Curt
>
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>  Subject: [MBZ] Very rare car
>
> Somebody needs to jump on this quick
>
> http://maine.craigslist.org/cto/5217362694.html
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Re: [MBZ] Very rare car

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

Made in STOCKHOLM, Germany!!!  WOW!


> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:05 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
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> I want one of those dealer quilts!
> 
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> Ooooh, an invisible car...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 9:08 PM
>> Subject: [MBZ] Very rare car
>> 
>> Somebody needs to jump on this quick
>> 
>> http://maine.craigslist.org/cto/5217362694.html
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