Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Thanks, Curly. That's the best and simplest explanation of why more people 
don't use Linux that I've seen so far.
Gerry
~
Curley McLain wrote:
> The stumbling block for linux is that you either have to be all in, or 
> you get frustrated.  By all in, I mean you have to learn all the unix 
> command line stuff, and a whole new language.  Even though some, like 
> ubuntu,  for instance, claim that it is all GUI, you don't really even 
> get started before you need to do something or find something and it all 
> becomes a foreign language, bash this and tarballs that and  whatnot, 
> with no definitions or explanations, but you are expected to run the 
> terminal and know the sytax.  I get through some of it, but each time so 
> far,  ihave given up.  The other problem is that if you have Dan or 
> Kleb's MB software, you have to run M$ hit.  Or the wife needs to use a 
> website that only works on M$ IE.  Or it is less frustrating to just use 
> a Mac and spend your time being productive in place of spending your 
> time working on the stupid computer.
> 
> Every time I see bash in the instructions for trying to do something in 
> linux, I figure they mean to get out the BFH and bash the stupid 
> computer to bits.  So far, I have refrained.
> 
> There are linux for dummies books, but I have never bought one, i've not 
> tried to see if the welfare bookstore has one.
> 
> I have made 8 or 10 serious attempts to date, starting with Red hat 5, 
> then mandrake, then ubuntu, but each has ended in frustration.  I did 
> get a fairly decent start with an ubunto desktop about a year ago.  I 
> was trying to get everyone to use one, but nobody wanted to use it.  I 
> used it some.
> 
> My shop computer, when I get one set up, will be ubuntu, but I will 
> still need a winders machine to run the borescope.
> 
> > archer75--- via Mercedes 
> > June 23, 2016 at 10:25 PM
> > Why do people, (like me), who are seriously critical of both Apple and 
> > Microsoft; not go to some flavor of Linux?
> > When I tried to do it a number of years ago, the learning curve was so 
> > long and involved it wasn't worth it to someone who only does emails, 
> > searches, and reads online news.
> > Now, with all the invasions of privacy, I'm beginning to be tempted 
> > again providing it's been somewhat simplified and providing there 
> > won't be the same invasions of privacy.
> > Gerry
> > ~~~

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Re: [MBZ] Comments on FCP Euro

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Scott informs:

>‎This is a report on my order from >FCP Euro.

After reading the list, it appears you have OE quality parts. You have hit a 
home run, with the assistance of FCP Euro. Don't bother trying that with 
AutohausAZ. It ain't happenin'.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The stumbling block for linux is that you either have to be all in, or 
you get frustrated.  By all in, I mean you have to learn all the unix 
command line stuff, and a whole new language.  Even though some, like 
ubuntu,  for instance, claim that it is all GUI, you don't really even 
get started before you need to do something or find something and it all 
becomes a foreign language, bash this and tarballs that and  whatnot, 
with no definitions or explanations, but you are expected to run the 
terminal and know the sytax.  I get through some of it, but each time so 
far,  ihave given up.  The other problem is that if you have Dan or 
Kleb's MB software, you have to run M$ hit.  Or the wife needs to use a 
website that only works on M$ IE.  Or it is less frustrating to just use 
a Mac and spend your time being productive in place of spending your 
time working on the stupid computer.


Every time I see bash in the instructions for trying to do something in 
linux, I figure they mean to get out the BFH and bash the stupid 
computer to bits.  So far, I have refrained.


There are linux for dummies books, but I have never bought one, i've not 
tried to see if the welfare bookstore has one.


I have made 8 or 10 serious attempts to date, starting with Red hat 5, 
then mandrake, then ubuntu, but each has ended in frustration.  I did 
get a fairly decent start with an ubunto desktop about a year ago.  I 
was trying to get everyone to use one, but nobody wanted to use it.  I 
used it some.


My shop computer, when I get one set up, will be ubuntu, but I will 
still need a winders machine to run the borescope.



archer75--- via Mercedes 
June 23, 2016 at 10:25 PM
Why do people, (like me), who are seriously critical of both Apple and 
Microsoft; not go to some flavor of Linux?
When I tried to do it a number of years ago, the learning curve was so 
long and involved it wasn't worth it to someone who only does emails, 
searches, and reads online news.
Now, with all the invasions of privacy, I'm beginning to be tempted 
again providing it's been somewhat simplified and providing there 
won't be the same invasions of privacy.

Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Why do people, (like me), who are seriously critical of both Apple and 
Microsoft; not go to some flavor of Linux? 
When I tried to do it a number of years ago, the learning curve was so long and 
involved it wasn't worth it to someone who only does emails, searches, and 
reads online news.
Now, with all the invasions of privacy, I'm beginning to be tempted again 
providing it's been somewhat simplified and providing there won't be the same 
invasions of privacy.
Gerry
~~~
Curley McLain wrote:
> Since apfel has decided to go all Billygates and arbitrarily force 
> people to abandon pre-2010 machines with 10.12, does that include i5 and  i7 
> machines?  I see they have changed the nomenclature with el crap.  
> Where my mosheen was Macbook pro 8.1 before, now it is called MacBook 
> Pro (13-inch, Early 2011) in el crap.
> 
> Obviously this machine is still ok, but the other macbooks in the family 
> will be SOL.  One, the macbook 1,1 is already bypassed by el crap, so it 
> becomes a linux machine, I guess.
> 
> Dan said he thinks the hackintosh crowd will find a way to make older 
> machines work.   What do you all think about this new sales scam?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Apple has used many processor families over the years:

6502
658C16
68000 family (four generations but not the 68010 or 68060)
ARM family (newton, iDevices)
PowerPC family (5 generations)
Intel family

The PPC Apple used was put out by a consortium of Motorola, IBM, and Apple.

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[MBZ] 240D 4spd for Kleb price

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5650793979.html

$500 or some guns


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Replacing a disk on a Windows system

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On Wed, Jun 22, 2016, 10:05 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> assumes you are ok.  If not you need to convince to a human you are not
> cheating.  Of course, things may have changed by now.
>

The last time I called in (Server 2012), the appeal was entirely
automated.  I typed in the hash, affirmed by keypress that I was only using
the license on one machine, and they gave me the activation code.  I was
impressed - the licensing used to be a lot more anti-consumer.

Best,
Tim

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Re: [MBZ] 240d

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have not seen a 123 parts car for sale in a long time, much less at the yard

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> On Jun 23, 2016, at 5:49 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> They were like weeds at the PnP until Obummer and his crap for clunkers deal. 
>   The culling of the "minor issue too expensive to bother fixing" or rusted 
> out hulks filled the yards for about a year, then it all dried up.  I am 
> finding that it is a trickle of W123 making it to the yards.  Very few on the 
> road, but those out there are looking really good.  The W202 are plugging up 
> the yards now.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 3:22 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Because most of them got dumped and scrapped when they hit 20 yrs old...2000 
>> to 2005.   Seems someone on the list quit selling parts for them because so 
>> many were being scrapped.   Now the survivors, if in somewhat reasonable 
>> shape, are worth more to the sellers, and some buyers.
>> 
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>> June 23, 2016 at 4:54 PM
>>> Why are people wanting stupid money for their 240d?
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Re: [MBZ] 240d

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I can think of dozens of cars I should have bought but didn't 

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> On Jun 23, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Because most of them got dumped and scrapped when they hit 20 yrs old...2000 
> to 2005.   Seems someone on the list quit selling parts for them because so 
> many were being scrapped.   Now the survivors, if in somewhat reasonable 
> shape, are worth more to the sellers, and some buyers.
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> June 23, 2016 at 4:54 PM
>> Why are people wanting stupid money for their 240d?
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Re: [MBZ] Marx and old movies

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

IMPEACH EARL WARREN

--JC


On 6/23/16 1:10 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Freely exercising the Rights which are defined by the Bill of Rights, I
take notice the said Supreme Court is both individually and collectively
subject to Impeachment.

They can be removed from their positions at any time, as can any individual
in government.


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On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


On 23/06/2016 12:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:


Something that need be taken notice of. The Bill of Rights, also known as
Amendments 1 through 10, are not subject to amendment. If you read the
Federalist Papers, you will find the Constitution was not accepted by the
Member States until the Bill of Rights was incorporated into the
Constitution.

Each of the Rights included in the Bill of Rights, as written, are issued
by the recognized Higher Power, not government. Thus, government may not
remove or modify those Rights. It is "above their authority".

I apologize to any whom I have not yet offended, I will get to you soon
enough.

Grant...



Not to worry, the Supreme Court will change whatever it feels like
changing.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] Locked out of Trunk - W126

[MG via Mercedes]

I saw one about a year ago in a junk yard. It also seems to have 
what looks like an electric unlocking solenoid, though that may 
be the alarm sensor. I did take it and the trunk lock out to see 
if I could use it on one of my cars. Haven't gotten around to 
that yet. Too much more important stuff to get done.


Manfred


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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 15:09:30 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 

This is an interesting thread that?s on Benzworld and deals with how to open 
your trunk if the mechanism fails.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1639430-releasing-trunk-lock-diagram.html#post5141091
 


Something else that came out of the conversation I found interesting was that 
some W123 models, purportedly from 1983-85 that had the factory alarm also had 
a trunk release cable that was located under the bottom seat cushion of the 
back seat.

Anyone ever seen one of these?

Dan





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Re: [MBZ] 240d

[clay via Mercedes]

They were like weeds at the PnP until Obummer and his crap for clunkers deal.   
The culling of the "minor issue too expensive to bother fixing" or rusted out 
hulks filled the yards for about a year, then it all dried up.  I am finding 
that it is a trickle of W123 making it to the yards.  Very few on the road, but 
those out there are looking really good.  The W202 are plugging up the yards 
now.

clay

 
> On Jun 23, 2016, at 3:22 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Because most of them got dumped and scrapped when they hit 20 yrs old...2000 
> to 2005.   Seems someone on the list quit selling parts for them because so 
> many were being scrapped.   Now the survivors, if in somewhat reasonable 
> shape, are worth more to the sellers, and some buyers.
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> June 23, 2016 at 4:54 PM
>> Why are people wanting stupid money for their 240d?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Marx and old movies

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

And should be.   I like your line of thought.

We also need to dust off the laws about treason, and start using them.  
When was the last time someone was tried for treason under US law?


The popos (and marx party) whine that without revoking the constitution 
and God given rights, the fibbies can't stop the moosies from shooting 
up places.  To someone who has read history, does not a citizen who 
follows islam, or at least some of the more stringent varieties, commit 
treason?



G Mann via Mercedes 
June 23, 2016 at 12:10 PM
Freely exercising the Rights which are defined by the Bill of Rights, I
take notice the said Supreme Court is both individually and collectively
subject to Impeachment.

They can be removed from their positions at any time, as can any 
individual

in government.


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Re: [MBZ] 240d

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Because most of them got dumped and scrapped when they hit 20 yrs 
old...2000 to 2005.   Seems someone on the list quit selling parts for 
them because so many were being scrapped.   Now the survivors, if in 
somewhat reasonable shape, are worth more to the sellers, and some buyers.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
June 23, 2016 at 4:54 PM
Why are people wanting stupid money for their 240d?



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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

What you mention ismostly removing restrictions, rather than necessary 
new stuff, other than dealing with SSD.  Fixing the registry is a 
repair.  I don't use any SSD, so from my perspective, it still offers 
nothing other than more patches of Winders 2000.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
June 23, 2016 at 2:36 PM
"7 offered nothing" not true, its a real 64bit OS which allows for big 
RAM, plus real support for SSD wear leveling in the OS, better support 
of the registry so it doesn't get corrupt if you uninstall and 
reinstall repeatedly, etc...
I know you're anti-new OS but Win7 is a very good OS with few 
problems. I wish they'd rebuilt the interface from XP instead of 
starting with Vista but if wishes were horses...


-Curt

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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

And M$ only grudgingly supported xp (kicking and screaming) because 
they knew wizzta was such a screwup and 7 offered nothing and 8 was a 
screwup.  Their big corporate customers would no longer pay M$ for new 
OS that broke stuff every year or two.  M$ tried that:  2000, 2001 
became xp, then wizzta came out before most people bought xp.  Many 
biz functions were still running NT3.5 and NT4.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes June 23, 2016 at 10:58 AM Thats not 
Microsoft, if your hardware manufacturer doesn't provide a driver its 
not Microsoft's fault.
I've got Win10 running nicely on an HP XW8600 circa 2009, with an SSD 
boot drive and 16GB of RAM its faster than it was with WinXP that it 
shipped with.
Also you've got to give Microsoft credit for supporting WinXP for a 
really long time. It came in 2001 and was supported up until 2014. 
13 years is exceptional, in that time Apple went through how many OS 
versions with mandatory hardware upgrades?

-Curt

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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

2010 machines being dropped are not 10 years old...

As for OS, widows 2000, xp, wizzta, 7, 8, and 10 are all the same under
the hood.  they just put arbitrary blocks to require certain hardware.
Same with Mac OS 10.


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Curley McLain June 23, 2016 at 10:44 AM
2010 machines being dropped are not 10 years old...

As for OS, widows 2000, xp, wizzta, 7, 8, and 10 are all the same 
under the hood.  they just put arbitrary blocks to require certain 
hardware.  Same with Mac OS 10.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes June 23, 2016 at 10:38 AM I understand, but I 
also disagree.


It takes resources to maintain and update/upgrade those older 
browsers. The revenue stream for such things is based on new 
purchases, so if you continue to put resources in place to maintain 
stuff that’s 10 years old or older, you dilute the profits for current 
product, or you have to make it that much more expensive to cover your 
costs.


A similar analogy would be to suggest that Mercedes should continue to 
offer updates or engineering changes/enhancements to our older cars. 
Why? They’re in business to make money, and they have no way of 
covering the up front costs to do so even if people would be willing 
to spend the money. Why don’t they make xenon headlights for W126 
chassis cars, for example? (Heck, I’m not even sure those exist in the 
aftermarket!)


This is compounded with computers by the constant changes in software 
and architecture that is a part of new designs and development.


It’s a market driven issue. People want more bells and whistles and as 
those are created, rolled out and accepted by the general public the 
older stuff gets left behind. If there’s little demand for it, no one 
will invest the time or money to maintain it.


It’s progress, man. It can suck, but there’s not a lot you can do 
about it.


Dan




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Curley McLain June 23, 2016 at 10:27 AM Yabbut, both apfel and oogle 
drop browsers for the older OS's and most of us require a web browser 
for normal work.  The alternatives for 10.5 browsers are unworkable, 
and 10.6 will soon go that way.   I could care less about any 
downgrades put in place from 10.5 to 10 .12.  I'd just like my 
software  (and peripherals) t

[MBZ] 240d

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Why are people wanting stupid money for their 240d? 

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[clay via Mercedes]

Motorola 680x0 chips, Then the IBM/Motorola PowerPC 6xx series, before the 
switch to Intel.  Original chips ran to OS 7.6, PPC was OS 8-10.5.8.  There was 
much gnashing of teeth with the introduction of OS X and the Classic 
environment.



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> On Jun 23, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> They used Motorola for the original processors, I believe.
> 
> There was similar consternation when they went from PPC to Intel as well.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Ummm, are you forgetting the PowerPC taking over for the original 
>> processors, the name of which has escaped me now. That would have been OS 
>> 8.1 maybe?
>> Microsoft doesn't make hardware so they have no vested interest in dropping 
>> support for older hardware. Witness that Win 10 still comes in a 32 bit 
>> flavor. Apple hasn't supported 32 bit hardware for a long time.
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked

[clay via Mercedes]

Gump had clear coat failure.  DunkelGrun on a 72.   Must be a respray, but 
looked original


clay 

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> On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:19 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My white 80 123.123 had no clear coat.  My 81 Midnight blue has no clear 
> coat.  Both need martha to come work his magic,  or maybe Randy...
> 
> 87 and 88 124 wagons had no clear coat.  I think the official name was arctic 
> white.  By 87 most colors had a clear.  Except, as WIlton pointed out, Weiss 
> and schwarz.
> 
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> June 23, 2016 at 8:25 AM
>> My '83 240D was white with failed clearcoat... Again no sign of a repaint.
>> -Curt
>> 
>> From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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>> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked
>> 
>> I think the metallics were the first with clear coat.  I think white and
>> black never got a clear coat.
>> 
>> I had the frame of  my R75/5 painted in 1973 or 4 with Dupont Imron.
>> That was called an aircraft paint back then.  It the first I had seen
>> clear coat.40 years later, the frame still shines.
>> 
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>> I think the metallics were the first with clear coat.  I think white and 
>> black never got a clear coat.
>> 
>> I had the frame of  my R75/5 painted in 1973 or 4 with Dupont Imron.  That 
>> was called an aircraft paint back then.  It the first I had seen clear coat. 
>>40 years later, the frame still shines.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> G Mann via Mercedes 
>> June 22, 2016 at 8:55 PM
>> Is that clear coat peeling on the trunk lid?
>> 
>> Help me here.. did Mercedes use clear coat paint in 1985? I think not..
>> so.. "REPAINT" .. which reads.. Crashed sometime in it's life.. yes?
>> 
>> Me thinks tis not the garage queen it claims... regardless of price and
>> speedo reading.. which I also now suspect...
>> 
>> For $15 large.. shouldn't it come with nubile female serving staff?
>> 
>> 
>> Virus-free.
>> www.avast.com
>> 
>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
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Re: [MBZ] Worth $7.00?

[clay via Mercedes]

Dang, I forgot I had a POS Dell laptop that would work with it.  I’m going in

clay

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:07 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I got mine to show a picture on the mac, but in order to be able to run the 
> lights, you have to download the latest version of the chinee spyware and run 
> it on winders.  This is one reason I was trying to get the gatorway laptop to 
> run widows 10.   THe laptop I had planned to use as a shop computer has 
> ubunto on it.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> June 23, 2016 at 7:42 AM
>> I wonder if it is worth trying this out for $7.00? Looks like it could be 
>> pretty handy around the shop.
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/262310448166?rmvSB=true 
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Worth $7.00?

[clay via Mercedes]

If it ran on a Mac I would purchase

clay

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 5:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if it is worth trying this out for $7.00?  Looks like it could be 
> pretty handy around the shop.
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/262310448166?rmvSB=true 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Comments on FCP Euro

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Sounds good to me.  I would use them based on what you describe.

Dan


> On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:28 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is a report on my order from FCP Euro.  This shipment arrived today and 
> here's what I got:
> * The flex disks were Febi Bilstein (FCP only claimed they were OEM).  
> The box says assembled in Germany from German and Polish parts.  The actual 
> flex disk has "Made in Germany" molded into the rubber.
> * The steering damper came in a plain box but STABILUS and "Made in 
> Germany" are printed on the part.
> * All the other suspension parts came in Lemforder boxes. 
> * The Guide rod mount boxes say "Made in Italy."
> * The Guide rod repair kit (attaches to LCA) boxes say "Made in Poland."
> * The LCA ball joint boxes say "Made in Germany."
> * The LCA inner bushing boxes say "Made in Italy."
> * The idler arm kit box says "Made in Germany."
> I didn’t see any indication of Asian sources but I didn’t inspect the actual 
> parts thoroughly.  I believe all boxes had the web address www.zf.com 
>   which is a German car parts company.  
> 
> Also. I accidently ordered a CV joint kit (mistaking it for a drive shaft 
> center bearing kit) and easily cancelled that part of the order online (and 
> got a refund) before it shipped.  I paid an extra $10 for UPS and delivery 
> was 3 1/2 business days.   
> 
> I don’t know any way to assess the quality of these rubber parts without 
> actually using them but I suspect they are OK, or at least as good as is now 
> available for my 35-year-old car.  If anyone knows better, please educate me. 
>  Thanks.
> 
> Cheers, Scott
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:13 AM
>> 
>> I just ordered that front end kit plus a couple flex disks for my 82 SD.  I
>> think the rubber parts are supposed to be Lemforder, which may be as good as
>> it gets these days for such an old model.  Tie rods and UCAs not included but
>> those can be replaced later one-at-a time if needed.  I'll report back if I
>> come to any conclusions on this stuff.
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Re: [MBZ] Comments on FCP Euro

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

This is a report on my order from FCP Euro.  This shipment arrived today and 
here's what I got:
*   The flex disks were Febi Bilstein (FCP only claimed they were OEM).  
The box says assembled in Germany from German and Polish parts.  The actual 
flex disk has "Made in Germany" molded into the rubber.
*   The steering damper came in a plain box but STABILUS and "Made in 
Germany" are printed on the part.
*   All the other suspension parts came in Lemforder boxes. 
*   The Guide rod mount boxes say "Made in Italy."
*   The Guide rod repair kit (attaches to LCA) boxes say "Made in Poland."
*   The LCA ball joint boxes say "Made in Germany."
*   The LCA inner bushing boxes say "Made in Italy."
*   The idler arm kit box says "Made in Germany."
I didn’t see any indication of Asian sources but I didn’t inspect the actual 
parts thoroughly.  I believe all boxes had the web address www.zf.com 
  which is a German car parts company.  

Also. I accidently ordered a CV joint kit (mistaking it for a drive shaft 
center bearing kit) and easily cancelled that part of the order online (and got 
a refund) before it shipped.  I paid an extra $10 for UPS and delivery was 3 
1/2 business days.   

I don’t know any way to assess the quality of these rubber parts without 
actually using them but I suspect they are OK, or at least as good as is now 
available for my 35-year-old car.  If anyone knows better, please educate me.  
Thanks.

Cheers, Scott


> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:13 AM
> 
> I just ordered that front end kit plus a couple flex disks for my 82 SD.  I
> think the rubber parts are supposed to be Lemforder, which may be as good as
> it gets these days for such an old model.  Tie rods and UCAs not included but
> those can be replaced later one-at-a time if needed.  I'll report back if I
> come to any conclusions on this stuff.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Locked out of Trunk - W126

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I stand corrected.  After re-reading the thread, it was W126 models with 
factory alarms between 83 and 85 that were supposed to have release cables.

Dan

 
> On Jun 23, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Nope.  But then again, I have wagons.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> This is an interesting thread that’s on Benzworld and deals with how to open 
> your trunk if the mechanism fails.
> 
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1639430-releasing-trunk-lock-diagram.html#post5141091
>  
> 
>  
>   
> >
> 
> Something else that came out of the conversation I found interesting was that 
> some W123 models, purportedly from 1983-85 that had the factory alarm also 
> had a trunk release cable that was located under the bottom seat cushion of 
> the back seat.
> 
> Anyone ever seen one of these?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Locked out of Trunk - W126

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Nope.  But then again, I have wagons.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is an interesting thread that’s on Benzworld and deals with how to
> open your trunk if the mechanism fails.
>
>
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1639430-releasing-trunk-lock-diagram.html#post5141091
> <
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1639430-releasing-trunk-lock-diagram.html#post5141091
> >
>
> Something else that came out of the conversation I found interesting was
> that some W123 models, purportedly from 1983-85 that had the factory alarm
> also had a trunk release cable that was located under the bottom seat
> cushion of the back seat.
>
> Anyone ever seen one of these?
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

"7 offered nothing" not true, its a real 64bit OS which allows for big RAM, 
plus real support for SSD wear leveling in the OS, better support of the 
registry so it doesn't get corrupt if you uninstall and reinstall repeatedly, 
etc...
I know you're anti-new OS but Win7 is a very good OS with few problems. I wish 
they'd rebuilt the interface from XP instead of starting with Vista but if 
wishes were horses...

-Curt

  From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 3:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12
   
And M$ only grudgingly supported xp (kicking and screaming) because they knew 
wizzta was such a screwup and 7 offered nothing and 8 was a screwup.  Their big 
corporate customers would no longer pay M$ for new OS that broke stuff every 
year or two.  M$ tried that:  2000, 2001 became xp, then wizzta came out before 
most people bought xp.  Many biz functions were still running NT3.5 and NT4.


   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  June 23, 2016 at 10:58 AM  Thats not Microsoft, 
if your hardware manufacturer doesn't provide a driver its not Microsoft's 
fault.
I've got Win10 running nicely on an HP XW8600 circa 2009, with an SSD boot 
drive and 16GB of RAM its faster than it was with WinXP that it shipped with.
Also you've got to give Microsoft credit for supporting WinXP for a really 
long time. It came in 2001 and was supported up until 2014. 13 years is 
exceptional, in that time Apple went through how many OS versions with 
mandatory hardware upgrades?
-Curt

 From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12
 
2010 machines being dropped are not 10 years old...

As for OS, widows 2000, xp, wizzta, 7, 8, and 10 are all the same under 
the hood.  they just put arbitrary blocks to require certain hardware.  
Same with Mac OS 10.


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   Curley McLain  June 23, 2016 at 10:44 AM  
2010 machines being dropped are not 10 years old...

As for OS, widows 2000, xp, wizzta, 7, 8, and 10 are all the same under the 
hood.  they just put arbitrary blocks to require certain hardware.  Same with 
Mac OS 10.


   Dan Penoff via Mercedes  June 23, 2016 at 10:38 AM  I understand, but I also 
disagree.

It takes resources to maintain and update/upgrade those older browsers. The 
revenue stream for such things is based on new purchases, so if you continue to 
put resources in place to maintain stuff that’s 10 years old or older, you 
dilute the profits for current product, or you have to make it that much more 
expensive to cover your costs.

A similar analogy would be to suggest that Mercedes should continue to offer 
updates or engineering changes/enhancements to our older cars. Why? They’re in 
business to make money, and they have no way of covering the up front costs to 
do so even if people would be willing to spend the money. Why don’t they make 
xenon headlights for W126 chassis cars, for example? (Heck, I’m not even sure 
those exist in the aftermarket!)

This is compounded with computers by the constant changes in software and 
architecture that is a part of new designs and development.

It’s a market driven issue. People want more bells and whistles and as those 
are created, rolled out and accepted by the general public the older stuff gets 
left behind. If there’s little demand for it, no one will invest the time or 
money to maintain it.

It’s progress, man. It can suck, but there’s not a lot you can do about it.

Dan




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   Curley McLain  June 23, 2016 at 10:27 AM  Yabbut, both apfel and oogle drop 
browsers for the older OS's and most of us require a web browser for normal 
work.  The alternatives for 10.5 browsers are unworkable, and 10.6 will soon go 
that way.   I could care less about any downgrades put in place from 10.5 to 10 
.12.  I'd just like my software  (and peripherals) to work.

My complaint is that it is all arbitrary and artificial to make folks buy new 
hardware and software.  (whether billygates or apfel)




   Dan Penoff via Mercedes  June 23, 2016 at 10:13 AM  They already have.

To be honest, unless you’re looking for some of the features of the newer OSs’, 
just leave well

Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Motorola made the 68000 series of processors (ending with 68040) and the 
PPC as well as the G3, G4 and G5, which were all the third generation.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
June 23, 2016 at 11:25 AM
IIRC Motorola made the PPC processors too or was that IBM? Amazing the 
stuff you forget.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

And M$ only grudgingly supported xp (kicking and screaming) because they 
knew wizzta was such a screwup and 7 offered nothing and 8 was a 
screwup.  Their big corporate customers would no longer pay M$ for new 
OS that broke stuff every year or two.  M$ tried that:  2000, 2001 
became xp, then wizzta came out before most people bought xp.  Many biz 
functions were still running NT3.5 and NT4.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
June 23, 2016 at 10:58 AM
Thats not Microsoft, if your hardware manufacturer doesn't provide a 
driver its not Microsoft's fault.
I've got Win10 running nicely on an HP XW8600 circa 2009, with an SSD 
boot drive and 16GB of RAM its faster than it was with WinXP that it 
shipped with.
Also you've got to give Microsoft credit for supporting WinXP for a 
really long time. It came in 2001 and was supported up until 2014. 
13 years is exceptional, in that time Apple went through how many OS 
versions with mandatory hardware upgrades?

-Curt

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Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

2010 machines being dropped are not 10 years old...

As for OS, widows 2000, xp, wizzta, 7, 8, and 10 are all the same under
the hood.  they just put arbitrary blocks to require certain hardware.
Same with Mac OS 10.


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Curley McLain 
June 23, 2016 at 10:44 AM
2010 machines being dropped are not 10 years old...

As for OS, widows 2000, xp, wizzta, 7, 8, and 10 are all the same 
under the hood.  they just put arbitrary blocks to require certain 
hardware.  Same with Mac OS 10.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 23, 2016 at 10:38 AM
I understand, but I also disagree.

It takes resources to maintain and update/upgrade those older 
browsers. The revenue stream for such things is based on new 
purchases, so if you continue to put resources in place to maintain 
stuff that’s 10 years old or older, you dilute the profits for current 
product, or you have to make it that much more expensive to cover your 
costs.


A similar analogy would be to suggest that Mercedes should continue to 
offer updates or engineering changes/enhancements to our older cars. 
Why? They’re in business to make money, and they have no way of 
covering the up front costs to do so even if people would be willing 
to spend the money. Why don’t they make xenon headlights for W126 
chassis cars, for example? (Heck, I’m not even sure those exist in the 
aftermarket!)


This is compounded with computers by the constant changes in software 
and architecture that is a part of new designs and development.


It’s a market driven issue. People want more bells and whistles and as 
those are created, rolled out and accepted by the general public the 
older stuff gets left behind. If there’s little demand for it, no one 
will invest the time or money to maintain it.


It’s progress, man. It can suck, but there’s not a lot you can do 
about it.


Dan




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Curley McLain 
June 23, 2016 at 10:27 AM
Yabbut, both apfel and oogle drop browsers for the older OS's and most 
of us require a web browser for normal work.  The alternatives for 
10.5 browsers are unworkable, and 10.6 will soon go that way.   I 
could care less about any downgrades put in place from 10.5 to 10 
.12.  I'd just like my software  (and peripherals) to work.


My complaint is that it is all arbitrary and artificial to make folks 
buy new hardware and software.  (whether billygates or apfel)





Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 23, 2016 at 10:13 AM
They already have.

To be honest, unless you’re looking for some of the features of the 
newer OSs’, just leave well enough alone. I do it more for the 
challenge than anything else. I can’t say that there are features in 
El Cap or Sierra that I care about or need.


I recently bought a Mac Pro 3,1 to get into El Cap natively, and now 
with Sierra coming out, it’s a legacy machine.


I sort of chuckle when I hear people getting all worked up about their 
old machines not being supported. Apple has had a hardware and 
software legacy policy in place for years that’s pretty much 

[MBZ] Locked out of Trunk - W126

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is an interesting thread that’s on Benzworld and deals with how to open 
your trunk if the mechanism fails.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1639430-releasing-trunk-lock-diagram.html#post5141091
 


Something else that came out of the conversation I found interesting was that 
some W123 models, purportedly from 1983-85 that had the factory alarm also had 
a trunk release cable that was located under the bottom seat cushion of the 
back seat.

Anyone ever seen one of these?

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Random thoughts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It is MITTLEROT, which looks way better than it sounds.  [medium red].  I
owned the same car in the same color scheme.  Beautiful!

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thank you. As I said on another post, the color is attractive. It is not
> fire engine red and it is not burgundy. It is more of a cranberry or ruby
> color.
>
> RB
>
> On 22/06/2016 9:27 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> that's a pretty car
>>
>>
>> On 6/22/16 6:03 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>> RB
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22/06/2016 5:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
 Is this your car?

 Sent from my iPhone

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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> On 22/06/2016 3:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> My random thought for the day. I want a green on green 115 as well as
>> a white on bright red 115 300d or 240d.
>>
> http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p294/oldsub86/300Dside.jpg
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Re: [MBZ] Random thoughts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, I love that color too, especially with the color matched wheel covers.  I 
so wish I could find some steel wheels for my W126 with some wheel covers to 
match.  It might look a little weird to some, but I just think that’s the 
classiest looking setup there is for MB wheels.

Dan


> On Jun 23, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is MITTLEROT, which looks way better than it sounds.  [medium red].  I
> owned the same car in the same color scheme.  Beautiful!
> 
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


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Re: [MBZ] For the Stick W123 boys

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Think I'da straightened the star for portrait.  ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 

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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] For the Stick W123 boys



I love it when they coin an appealing name for a Mercedes color, e.g.,
"butterscotch" vs. "yellow".

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 


wrote:

I like the off-color driver's door on the '74 240D.  Adds a touch of je 
ne

sais quoi.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 

> wrote:


I love the one that "howls when warm".

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:59 PM, clay via Mercedes 

> wrote:


https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5611444362.html

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5630474547.html

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5645586778.html

https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/5642673010.html - For K’Leb

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5647163534.html


No interest, not mine, looks like a taxi

This guy may be on crack -
https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/5629710526.html



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Re: [MBZ] Marx and old movies

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Freely exercising the Rights which are defined by the Bill of Rights, I
take notice the said Supreme Court is both individually and collectively
subject to Impeachment.

They can be removed from their positions at any time, as can any individual
in government.


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On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 23/06/2016 12:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Something that need be taken notice of. The Bill of Rights, also known as
>> Amendments 1 through 10, are not subject to amendment. If you read the
>> Federalist Papers, you will find the Constitution was not accepted by the
>> Member States until the Bill of Rights was incorporated into the
>> Constitution.
>>
>> Each of the Rights included in the Bill of Rights, as written, are issued
>> by the recognized Higher Power, not government. Thus, government may not
>> remove or modify those Rights. It is "above their authority".
>>
>> I apologize to any whom I have not yet offended, I will get to you soon
>> enough.
>>
>> Grant...
>>
>>
> Not to worry, the Supreme Court will change whatever it feels like
> changing.
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Marx and old movies

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On 23/06/2016 12:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Something that need be taken notice of. The Bill of Rights, also known as
Amendments 1 through 10, are not subject to amendment. If you read the
Federalist Papers, you will find the Constitution was not accepted by the
Member States until the Bill of Rights was incorporated into the
Constitution.

Each of the Rights included in the Bill of Rights, as written, are issued
by the recognized Higher Power, not government. Thus, government may not
remove or modify those Rights. It is "above their authority".

I apologize to any whom I have not yet offended, I will get to you soon
enough.

Grant...



Not to worry, the Supreme Court will change whatever it feels like changing.

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Re: [MBZ] Worth $7.00?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Not too racy. Did not want to cause heart attacks among our older 
members here.


RB

On 23/06/2016 11:37 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I think I'm not going to open that one at work... ;)
-Curt

   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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Cc: Randy Bennell 
  Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Worth $7.00?

On 23/06/2016 11:32 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I ordered a 15 footer.  For $7.00 if it works for me on one thing alone I’ll be 
ahead of the curve, I figure. I’ve got an XP machine I keep sandboxed for my MB 
Xentry system I’l put it on.

Dan



On Jun 23, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

Bunch of the lantern guys are using them to inspect the inside of lanterns for 
rust and/or damage.
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Marx and old movies

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Something that need be taken notice of. The Bill of Rights, also known as
Amendments 1 through 10, are not subject to amendment. If you read the
Federalist Papers, you will find the Constitution was not accepted by the
Member States until the Bill of Rights was incorporated into the
Constitution.

Each of the Rights included in the Bill of Rights, as written, are issued
by the recognized Higher Power, not government. Thus, government may not
remove or modify those Rights. It is "above their authority".

I apologize to any whom I have not yet offended, I will get to you soon
enough.

Grant...


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On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 8:09 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It appears that the con gress critters of the Marx party have sunken to a
> new comedic low.   Watching the Marx show reminds me of 2 yr old's temper
> tantrums, and of the marx brothers, the keystone cops, and of the three
> stooges.  WHile trying to force the Bill of rights to be thrown out, they
> act more like the Marx Bro's rather than their hero marx, Karl.
>
> Obviously the Marx party critters have either been smokin pakalolo or
> taking hallucinogenic drugs.   The Marx show also reminds me of spaced out
> hippies that are totally worthless.   But Marx party congresscritter and
> worthless is redundant.
>
> The first, second, fifth and tenth amendments are particularly under
> attack.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

What's your secret to bringing back chalky white paint?  I have a 92 F-150. It 
is two-tone like so many ford trucks were at that time. Mine is white with the 
red on the side. The red is okay (needs some elbow grease and a little 
compounding), but the white is really chalky.   Of course, it always sits 
outside instead of in the garage.  It rarely gets used except to pick up some 
large item from an estate sale or to haul bed load of tree-limbs or mulch, etc. 
  I may actually sell it one of these days.  I don't need three cars (4 with my 
wife's car and soon to be 5 with my stepdaughter turning 16 soon). 

Don Snook 

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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 5:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked

Neither white nor the 040 black got clear coats.  They were both single stage 
paints.

I’ve petty much resigned myself to never buying a car with a clear coat (older 
car, that is.)  If it’s got a single stage paint I can almost always make it 
pretty again.  Or at least presentable.

Dan


> On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:21 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think the metallics were the first with clear coat.  I think white and 
> black never got a clear coat.
> 
> I had the frame of  my R75/5 painted in 1973 or 4 with Dupont Imron.  That 
> was called an aircraft paint back then.  It the first I had seen clear coat.  
>   40 years later, the frame still shines.
> 
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes  June 
>> 22, 2016 at 9:21 PM They used clear coat then, probably as far back 
>> as 81 or so.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Worth $7.00?

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On 23/06/2016 11:32 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I ordered a 15 footer.  For $7.00 if it works for me on one thing alone I’ll be 
ahead of the curve, I figure. I’ve got an XP machine I keep sandboxed for my MB 
Xentry system I’l put it on.

Dan



On Jun 23, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

Bunch of the lantern guys are using them to inspect the inside of lanterns for 
rust and/or damage.
-Curt



http://www.banggood.com/search/android-inspection-camera.html

I got one of these - not sure which.

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Re: [MBZ] Worth $7.00?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I think I'm not going to open that one at work... ;)
-Curt

  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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Cc: Randy Bennell 
 Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Worth $7.00?
   
On 23/06/2016 11:32 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> I ordered a 15 footer.  For $7.00 if it works for me on one thing alone I’ll 
> be ahead of the curve, I figure. I’ve got an XP machine I keep sandboxed for 
> my MB Xentry system I’l put it on.
>
> Dan
>
>
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Bunch of the lantern guys are using them to inspect the inside of lanterns 
>> for rust and/or damage.
>> -Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] Worth $7.00?

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On 23/06/2016 11:32 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I ordered a 15 footer.  For $7.00 if it works for me on one thing alone I’ll be 
ahead of the curve, I figure. I’ve got an XP machine I keep sandboxed for my MB 
Xentry system I’l put it on.

Dan



On Jun 23, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

Bunch of the lantern guys are using them to inspect the inside of lanterns for 
rust and/or damage.
-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Worth $7.00?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Bunch of the lantern guys are using them to inspect the inside of lanterns for 
rust and/or damage.
-Curt

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Cc: Randy Bennell 
 Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Worth $7.00?
   
On 23/06/2016 7:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> I wonder if it is worth trying this out for $7.00?  Looks like it could be 
> pretty handy around the shop.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/262310448166?rmvSB=true 
> 
>
> Dan
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I just got one that was linked on here a while back.
Ordered from Bang Good.
Took quite a while to come. Was shipped from Europe.
Have not done much with it apart from install the software and turn it 
on to see if it worked.
Works. Image not exactly HD but not bad.
Plugs into android phone or computer.
Lights are controlled by a button the the plug end rather than by software.
Has hook and magnet to attach if one is trying to pick up a lost part 
etc as well as a 45 degree mirror for looking sideways rather than head on.

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Re: [MBZ] Worth $7.00?

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I ordered a 15 footer.  For $7.00 if it works for me on one thing alone I’ll be 
ahead of the curve, I figure. I’ve got an XP machine I keep sandboxed for my MB 
Xentry system I’l put it on.

Dan


> On Jun 23, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bunch of the lantern guys are using them to inspect the inside of lanterns 
> for rust and/or damage.
> -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

IIRC Motorola made the PPC processors too or was that IBM? Amazing the stuff 
you forget.
-Curt

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 Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12
   
They used Motorola for the original processors, I believe.

There was similar consternation when they went from PPC to Intel as well.

Dan

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ummm, are you forgetting the PowerPC taking over for the original processors, 
> the name of which has escaped me now. That would have been OS 8.1 maybe?
> Microsoft doesn't make hardware so they have no vested interest in dropping 
> support for older hardware. Witness that Win 10 still comes in a 32 bit 
> flavor. Apple hasn't supported 32 bit hardware for a long time.
> -Curt
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Worth $7.00?

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On 23/06/2016 7:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I wonder if it is worth trying this out for $7.00?  Looks like it could be 
pretty handy around the shop.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/262310448166?rmvSB=true 


Dan
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I just got one that was linked on here a while back.
Ordered from Bang Good.
Took quite a while to come. Was shipped from Europe.
Have not done much with it apart from install the software and turn it 
on to see if it worked.

Works. Image not exactly HD but not bad.
Plugs into android phone or computer.
Lights are controlled by a button the the plug end rather than by software.
Has hook and magnet to attach if one is trying to pick up a lost part 
etc as well as a 45 degree mirror for looking sideways rather than head on.


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Re: [MBZ] Random thoughts

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Thank you. As I said on another post, the color is attractive. It is not 
fire engine red and it is not burgundy. It is more of a cranberry or 
ruby color.


RB

On 22/06/2016 9:27 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:

that's a pretty car


On 6/22/16 6:03 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

Yes

RB


On 22/06/2016 5:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Is this your car?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 22, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:



On 22/06/2016 3:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
My random thought for the day. I want a green on green 115 as well 
as a white on bright red 115 300d or 240d.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p294/oldsub86/300Dside.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] Random thoughts

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On 22/06/2016 8:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Wow! I need you to come Martha my 240D!


Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
June 22, 2016 at 4:52 PM

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p294/oldsub86/300Dside.jpg

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It had been washed just before that photo but that is how it was when I 
bought it.

I have done littlle to it in the past 11 years apart from drive it.
It has had a few things done and could use a few more but it is a decent 
50 footer.

Up close it has a few flaws but not bad for a 40 year old car.
I think the color is part of the charm. That darker red is a nice color.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Right. A lot pf the criticism of MS is due to the broad range of old and
new hardware that they support, both old and new. Apple doesn't do that.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thats not Microsoft, if your hardware manufacturer doesn't provide a
> driver its not Microsoft's fault.
> I've got Win10 running nicely on an HP XW8600 circa 2009, with an SSD boot
> drive and 16GB of RAM its faster than it was with WinXP that it shipped
> with.
> Also you've got to give Microsoft credit for supporting WinXP for a
> really long time. It came in 2001 and was supported up until 2014. 13
> years is exceptional, in that time Apple went through how many OS versions
> with mandatory hardware upgrades?
> -Curt
>
>   From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:44 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12
>
> 2010 machines being dropped are not 10 years old...
>
> As for OS, widows 2000, xp, wizzta, 7, 8, and 10 are all the same under
> the hood.  they just put arbitrary blocks to require certain hardware.
> Same with Mac OS 10.
>
> > Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > June 23, 2016 at 10:38 AM
> > I understand, but I also disagree.
> >
> > It takes resources to maintain and update/upgrade those older
> > browsers. The revenue stream for such things is based on new
> > purchases, so if you continue to put resources in place to maintain
> > stuff that’s 10 years old or older, you dilute the profits for current
> > product, or you have to make it that much more expensive to cover your
> > costs.
> >
> > A similar analogy would be to suggest that Mercedes should continue to
> > offer updates or engineering changes/enhancements to our older cars.
> > Why? They’re in business to make money, and they have no way of
> > covering the up front costs to do so even if people would be willing
> > to spend the money. Why don’t they make xenon headlights for W126
> > chassis cars, for example? (Heck, I’m not even sure those exist in the
> > aftermarket!)
> >
> > This is compounded with computers by the constant changes in software
> > and architecture that is a part of new designs and development.
> >
> > It’s a market driven issue. People want more bells and whistles and as
> > those are created, rolled out and accepted by the general public the
> > older stuff gets left behind. If there’s little demand for it, no one
> > will invest the time or money to maintain it.
> >
> > It’s progress, man. It can suck, but there’s not a lot you can do
> > about it.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
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> > June 23, 2016 at 10:13 AM
> > They already have.
> >
> > To be honest, unless you’re looking for some of the features of the
> > newer OSs’, just leave well enough alone. I do it more for the
> > challenge than anything else. I can’t say that there are features in
> > El Cap or Sierra that I care about or need.
> >
> > I recently bought a Mac Pro 3,1 to get into El Cap natively, and now
> > with Sierra coming out, it’s a legacy machine.
> >
> > I sort of chuckle when I hear people getting all worked up about their
> > old machines not being supported. Apple has had a hardware and
> > software legacy policy in place for years that’s pretty much
> > unchanged. This is nothing new and the new releases fall right into
> > place with the terms of that policy.
> >
> > https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624
> > 
> >
> > MacDan
> >
> >
> >
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> > Curley McLain 
> > June 23, 2016 at 9:56 AM
> > Since apfel has decided to go all Billygates and arbitrarily force
> > people to abandon pre-2010 machines with 10.12, does that include i5
> > and i7 machines?  I see they have changed the nomenclature with el
> > crap.  Where my mosheen was Macbook pro 8.1 before, now it is called
> > MacBook Pro (13-inch, Early 2011) in el crap.
> >
> > Obviously this machine is still ok, but the other macbooks in the
> > family will be SOL.  One, the macbook 1,1 is already bypassed by el
> > crap, so it becomes a linux machine, I guess.
> >
> > Dan said he thinks the hackintosh crowd will find a way to make older
> > machines work.  What do you all think about this new sales scam?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Thats not Microsoft, if your hardware manufacturer doesn't provide a driver its 
not Microsoft's fault.
I've got Win10 running nicely on an HP XW8600 circa 2009, with an SSD boot 
drive and 16GB of RAM its faster than it was with WinXP that it shipped with.
Also you've got to give Microsoft credit for supporting WinXP for a really 
long time. It came in 2001 and was supported up until 2014. 13 years is 
exceptional, in that time Apple went through how many OS versions with 
mandatory hardware upgrades?
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12
   
2010 machines being dropped are not 10 years old...

As for OS, widows 2000, xp, wizzta, 7, 8, and 10 are all the same under 
the hood.  they just put arbitrary blocks to require certain hardware.  
Same with Mac OS 10.

> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> June 23, 2016 at 10:38 AM
> I understand, but I also disagree.
>
> It takes resources to maintain and update/upgrade those older 
> browsers. The revenue stream for such things is based on new 
> purchases, so if you continue to put resources in place to maintain 
> stuff that’s 10 years old or older, you dilute the profits for current 
> product, or you have to make it that much more expensive to cover your 
> costs.
>
> A similar analogy would be to suggest that Mercedes should continue to 
> offer updates or engineering changes/enhancements to our older cars. 
> Why? They’re in business to make money, and they have no way of 
> covering the up front costs to do so even if people would be willing 
> to spend the money. Why don’t they make xenon headlights for W126 
> chassis cars, for example? (Heck, I’m not even sure those exist in the 
> aftermarket!)
>
> This is compounded with computers by the constant changes in software 
> and architecture that is a part of new designs and development.
>
> It’s a market driven issue. People want more bells and whistles and as 
> those are created, rolled out and accepted by the general public the 
> older stuff gets left behind. If there’s little demand for it, no one 
> will invest the time or money to maintain it.
>
> It’s progress, man. It can suck, but there’s not a lot you can do 
> about it.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
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> They already have.
>
> To be honest, unless you’re looking for some of the features of the 
> newer OSs’, just leave well enough alone. I do it more for the 
> challenge than anything else. I can’t say that there are features in 
> El Cap or Sierra that I care about or need.
>
> I recently bought a Mac Pro 3,1 to get into El Cap natively, and now 
> with Sierra coming out, it’s a legacy machine.
>
> I sort of chuckle when I hear people getting all worked up about their 
> old machines not being supported. Apple has had a hardware and 
> software legacy policy in place for years that’s pretty much 
> unchanged. This is nothing new and the new releases fall right into 
> place with the terms of that policy.
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624 
> 
>
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> Since apfel has decided to go all Billygates and arbitrarily force 
> people to abandon pre-2010 machines with 10.12, does that include i5 
> and i7 machines?  I see they have changed the nomenclature with el 
> crap.  Where my mosheen was Macbook pro 8.1 before, now it is called 
> MacBook Pro (13-inch, Early 2011) in el crap.
>
> Obviously this machine is still ok, but the other macbooks in the 
> family will be SOL.  One, the macbook 1,1 is already bypassed by el 
> crap, so it becomes a linux machine, I guess.
>
> Dan said he thinks the hackintosh crowd will find a way to make older 
> machines work.  What do you all think about this new sales scam?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They used Motorola for the original processors, I believe.

There was similar consternation when they went from PPC to Intel as well.

Dan

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ummm, are you forgetting the PowerPC taking over for the original processors, 
> the name of which has escaped me now. That would have been OS 8.1 maybe?
> Microsoft doesn't make hardware so they have no vested interest in dropping 
> support for older hardware. Witness that Win 10 still comes in a 32 bit 
> flavor. Apple hasn't supported 32 bit hardware for a long time.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

2010 products are not supported, they are considered “vintage”.  Apple’s 
policies have been this way for many years.  And there is nothing to prevent a 
user from continuing to use them with their native OS.  No one said anything 
about 10 year old machines, that I recall.

Dan


> On Jun 23, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 2010 machines being dropped are not 10 years old...
> 
> As for OS, widows 2000, xp, wizzta, 7, 8, and 10 are all the same under the 
> hood.  they just put arbitrary blocks to require certain hardware.  Same with 
> Mac OS 10.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes > >

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

2010 products are not supported, they are considered “vintage”.  Apple’s 
policies have been this way for many years.  And there is nothing to prevent a 
user from continuing to use them with their native OS.  No one said anything 
about 10 year old machines, that I recall.

Dan


> On Jun 23, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> 2010 machines being dropped are not 10 years old...
> 
> As for OS, widows 2000, xp, wizzta, 7, 8, and 10 are all the same under the 
> hood.  they just put arbitrary blocks to require certain hardware.  Same with 
> Mac OS 10.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes > >

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Ummm, are you forgetting the PowerPC taking over for the original processors, 
the name of which has escaped me now. That would have been OS 8.1 maybe?
Microsoft doesn't make hardware so they have no vested interest in dropping 
support for older hardware. Witness that Win 10 still comes in a 32 bit flavor. 
Apple hasn't supported 32 bit hardware for a long time.
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12
   
"Microsoft doesn't arbitrarily force upgrades like Apple"  Whattarya 
smokin?    Apfel is now following the billyg track of forcing upgrades.  
the first time apfel did it was when os 10.something (10.3?,  10.4?) 
dropped support for non-intel processors, and that IMO was necessary.

> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> June 23, 2016 at 10:31 AM
> I'm with Dan, this is nothing new, in fact Microsoft doesn't 
> arbitrarily force upgrades like Apple, this has been going on since 
> forever...
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

2010 machines being dropped are not 10 years old...

As for OS, widows 2000, xp, wizzta, 7, 8, and 10 are all the same under 
the hood.  they just put arbitrary blocks to require certain hardware.  
Same with Mac OS 10.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 23, 2016 at 10:38 AM
I understand, but I also disagree.

It takes resources to maintain and update/upgrade those older 
browsers. The revenue stream for such things is based on new 
purchases, so if you continue to put resources in place to maintain 
stuff that’s 10 years old or older, you dilute the profits for current 
product, or you have to make it that much more expensive to cover your 
costs.


A similar analogy would be to suggest that Mercedes should continue to 
offer updates or engineering changes/enhancements to our older cars. 
Why? They’re in business to make money, and they have no way of 
covering the up front costs to do so even if people would be willing 
to spend the money. Why don’t they make xenon headlights for W126 
chassis cars, for example? (Heck, I’m not even sure those exist in the 
aftermarket!)


This is compounded with computers by the constant changes in software 
and architecture that is a part of new designs and development.


It’s a market driven issue. People want more bells and whistles and as 
those are created, rolled out and accepted by the general public the 
older stuff gets left behind. If there’s little demand for it, no one 
will invest the time or money to maintain it.


It’s progress, man. It can suck, but there’s not a lot you can do 
about it.


Dan




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Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 23, 2016 at 10:13 AM
They already have.

To be honest, unless you’re looking for some of the features of the 
newer OSs’, just leave well enough alone. I do it more for the 
challenge than anything else. I can’t say that there are features in 
El Cap or Sierra that I care about or need.


I recently bought a Mac Pro 3,1 to get into El Cap natively, and now 
with Sierra coming out, it’s a legacy machine.


I sort of chuckle when I hear people getting all worked up about their 
old machines not being supported. Apple has had a hardware and 
software legacy policy in place for years that’s pretty much 
unchanged. This is nothing new and the new releases fall right into 
place with the terms of that policy.


https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624 



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Curley McLain 
June 23, 2016 at 9:56 AM
Since apfel has decided to go all Billygates and arbitrarily force 
people to abandon pre-2010 machines with 10.12, does that include i5 
and i7 machines?  I see they have changed the nomenclature with el 
crap.  Where my mosheen was Macbook pro 8.1 before, now it is called 
MacBook Pro (13-inch, Early 2011) in el crap.


Obviously this machine is still ok, but the other macbooks in the 
family will be SOL.  One, the macbook 1,1 is already bypassed by el 
crap, so it becomes a linux machine, I guess.


Dan said he thinks the hackintosh crowd will find a way to make older 
machines work.   What do you all think about this new sales scam?


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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Curly wants a nonprofit entity - such as the government - to nationalize
Apple and Google and run these corporations for the People's benefit.
On Jun 23, 2016 11:38 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

I understand, but I also disagree.

It takes resources to maintain and update/upgrade those older browsers.
The revenue stream for such things is based on new purchases, so if you
continue to put resources in place to maintain stuff that’s 10 years old or
older, you dilute the profits for current product, or you have to make it
that much more expensive to cover your costs.

A similar analogy would be to suggest that Mercedes should continue to
offer updates or engineering changes/enhancements to our older cars.  Why?
They’re in business to make money, and they have no way of covering the up
front costs to do so even if people would be willing to spend the money.
Why don’t they make xenon headlights for W126 chassis cars, for example?
(Heck, I’m not even sure those exist in the aftermarket!)

This is compounded with computers by the constant changes in software and
architecture that is a part of new designs and development.

It’s a market driven issue.  People want more bells and whistles and as
those are created, rolled out and accepted by the general public the older
stuff gets left behind.  If there’s little demand for it, no one will
invest the time or money to maintain it.

It’s progress, man.  It can suck, but there’s not a lot you can do about it.

Dan



> On Jun 23, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Yabbut, both apfel and oogle drop browsers for the older OS's and most of
us require a web browser for normal work.  The alternatives for 10.5
browsers are unworkable, and 10.6 will soon go that way.   I could care
less about any downgrades put in place from 10.5 to 10 .12.  I'd just like
my software  (and peripherals) to work.
>
> My complaint is that it is all arbitrary and artificial to make folks buy
new hardware and software.  (whether billygates or apfel)
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

"Microsoft doesn't arbitrarily force upgrades like Apple"   Whattarya 
smokin?Apfel is now following the billyg track of forcing upgrades.  
the first time apfel did it was when os 10.something (10.3?,   10.4?) 
dropped support for non-intel processors, and that IMO was necessary.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
June 23, 2016 at 10:31 AM
I'm with Dan, this is nothing new, in fact Microsoft doesn't 
arbitrarily force upgrades like Apple, this has been going on since 
forever...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I understand, but I also disagree.

It takes resources to maintain and update/upgrade those older browsers.  The 
revenue stream for such things is based on new purchases, so if you continue to 
put resources in place to maintain stuff that’s 10 years old or older, you 
dilute the profits for current product, or you have to make it that much more 
expensive to cover your costs.

A similar analogy would be to suggest that Mercedes should continue to offer 
updates or engineering changes/enhancements to our older cars.  Why?  They’re 
in business to make money, and they have no way of covering the up front costs 
to do so even if people would be willing to spend the money.  Why don’t they 
make xenon headlights for W126 chassis cars, for example? (Heck, I’m not even 
sure those exist in the aftermarket!)

This is compounded with computers by the constant changes in software and 
architecture that is a part of new designs and development.

It’s a market driven issue.  People want more bells and whistles and as those 
are created, rolled out and accepted by the general public the older stuff gets 
left behind.  If there’s little demand for it, no one will invest the time or 
money to maintain it.

It’s progress, man.  It can suck, but there’s not a lot you can do about it.

Dan



> On Jun 23, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yabbut, both apfel and oogle drop browsers for the older OS's and most of us 
> require a web browser for normal work.  The alternatives for 10.5 browsers 
> are unworkable, and 10.6 will soon go that way.   I could care less about any 
> downgrades put in place from 10.5 to 10 .12.  I'd just like my software  (and 
> peripherals) to work.
> 
> My complaint is that it is all arbitrary and artificial to make folks buy new 
> hardware and software.  (whether billygates or apfel)
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm with Dan, this is nothing new, in fact Microsoft doesn't arbitrarily force 
upgrades like Apple, this has been going on since forever...
-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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Cc: Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12
   
They already have.

To be honest, unless you’re looking for some of the features of the newer OSs’, 
just leave well enough alone.  I do it more for the challenge than anything 
else.  I can’t say that there are features in El Cap or Sierra that I care 
about or need.

I recently bought a Mac Pro 3,1 to get into El Cap natively, and now with 
Sierra coming out, it’s a legacy machine.

I sort of chuckle when I hear people getting all worked up about their old 
machines not being supported.  Apple has had a hardware and software legacy 
policy in place for years that’s pretty much unchanged.  This is nothing new 
and the new releases fall right into place with the terms of that policy.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624 


MacDan



> On Jun 23, 2016, at 10:56 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> 
> Dan said he thinks the hackintosh crowd will find a way to make older 
> machines work.  What do you all think about this new sales scam?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yabbut, both apfel and oogle drop browsers for the older OS's and most 
of us require a web browser for normal work.  The alternatives for 10.5 
browsers are unworkable, and 10.6 will soon go that way.   I could care 
less about any downgrades put in place from 10.5 to 10 .12.  I'd just 
like my software  (and peripherals) to work.


My complaint is that it is all arbitrary and artificial to make folks 
buy new hardware and software.  (whether billygates or apfel)





Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 23, 2016 at 10:13 AM
They already have.

To be honest, unless you’re looking for some of the features of the 
newer OSs’, just leave well enough alone. I do it more for the 
challenge than anything else. I can’t say that there are features in 
El Cap or Sierra that I care about or need.


I recently bought a Mac Pro 3,1 to get into El Cap natively, and now 
with Sierra coming out, it’s a legacy machine.


I sort of chuckle when I hear people getting all worked up about their 
old machines not being supported. Apple has had a hardware and 
software legacy policy in place for years that’s pretty much 
unchanged. This is nothing new and the new releases fall right into 
place with the terms of that policy.


https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624 



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Curley McLain 
June 23, 2016 at 9:56 AM
Since apfel has decided to go all Billygates and arbitrarily force 
people to abandon pre-2010 machines with 10.12, does that include i5 
and i7 machines?  I see they have changed the nomenclature with el 
crap.  Where my mosheen was Macbook pro 8.1 before, now it is called 
MacBook Pro (13-inch, Early 2011) in el crap.


Obviously this machine is still ok, but the other macbooks in the 
family will be SOL.  One, the macbook 1,1 is already bypassed by el 
crap, so it becomes a linux machine, I guess.


Dan said he thinks the hackintosh crowd will find a way to make older 
machines work.   What do you all think about this new sales scam?


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Re: [MBZ] Iron rain

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I think either of those options would work well for my needs

--JC


On 6/23/16 9:42 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

Rotary launcher.

On G and H models, I carried 8 one mega-ton Short Range Attack 
Missiles) SRAM's in aft bomb bay on those, plus 4 1.1 mega-ton gravity 
bombs in forward bomb bay - all nuclear, of course.


On D models, in SEA (to Vietnam), I carried 24 500-pound HE bombs on 
wing pylons and 84 500 and/or 750-pound HE bombs in bomb bay for total 
of 108.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 


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I like the rotisserie thing in the bomb bay.

Dan


On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Under this is where you don't wanna be.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a21444/b-52-loadout-where-it-goes/? 





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Re: [MBZ] Worth $7.00?

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

DX had one on their email yesterday or the day before, I did not look at 
the link.  Lighted as well.


--JC


On 6/23/16 8:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I wonder if it is worth trying this out for $7.00?  Looks like it could be 
pretty handy around the shop.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/262310448166?rmvSB=true 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They already have.

To be honest, unless you’re looking for some of the features of the newer OSs’, 
just leave well enough alone.  I do it more for the challenge than anything 
else.  I can’t say that there are features in El Cap or Sierra that I care 
about or need.

I recently bought a Mac Pro 3,1 to get into El Cap natively, and now with 
Sierra coming out, it’s a legacy machine.

I sort of chuckle when I hear people getting all worked up about their old 
machines not being supported.  Apple has had a hardware and software legacy 
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and the new releases fall right into place with the terms of that policy.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624 


MacDan



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[MBZ] Marx and old movies

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It appears that the con gress critters of the Marx party have sunken to 
a new comedic low.   Watching the Marx show reminds me of 2 yr old's 
temper tantrums, and of the marx brothers, the keystone cops, and of the 
three stooges.  WHile trying to force the Bill of rights to be thrown 
out, they act more like the Marx Bro's rather than their hero marx, Karl.


Obviously the Marx party critters have either been smokin pakalolo or 
taking hallucinogenic drugs.   The Marx show also reminds me of spaced 
out hippies that are totally worthless.   But Marx party congresscritter 
and worthless is redundant.


The first, second, fifth and tenth amendments are particularly under attack.


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Re: [MBZ] Iron rain

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That is a lot of iron to rain down on some schlub.


WILTON via Mercedes 
June 23, 2016 at 8:42 AM
Rotary launcher.

On G and H models, I carried 8 one mega-ton Short Range Attack 
Missiles) SRAM's in aft bomb bay on those, plus 4 1.1 mega-ton gravity 
bombs in forward bomb bay - all nuclear, of course.


On D models, in SEA (to Vietnam), I carried 24 500-pound HE bombs on 
wing pylons and 84 500 and/or 750-pound HE bombs in bomb bay for total 
of 108.


Wilton



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[MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Since apfel has decided to go all Billygates and arbitrarily force 
people to abandon pre-2010 machines with 10.12, does that include i5 and 
i7 machines?  I see they have changed the nomenclature with el crap.  
Where my mosheen was Macbook pro 8.1 before, now it is called MacBook 
Pro (13-inch, Early 2011) in el crap.


Obviously this machine is still ok, but the other macbooks in the family 
will be SOL.  One, the macbook 1,1 is already bypassed by el crap, so it 
becomes a linux machine, I guess.


Dan said he thinks the hackintosh crowd will find a way to make older 
machines work.   What do you all think about this new sales scam?


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Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My 1985 300TD in Diamond Blue has a clear coat - same as factory.  No
problem since it sits in the garage.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> My white 80 123.123 had no clear coat.  My 81 Midnight blue has no clear
> coat.  Both need martha to come work his magic,  or maybe Randy...
>
> 87 and 88 124 wagons had no clear coat.  I think the official name was
> arctic white.  By 87 most colors had a clear.  Except, as WIlton pointed
> out, Weiss and schwarz.
>
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> June 23, 2016 at 8:25 AM
>> My '83 240D was white with failed clearcoat... Again no sign of a repaint.
>> -Curt
>>
>> From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked
>>
>> I think the metallics were the first with clear coat.  I think white and
>> black never got a clear coat.
>>
>> I had the frame of  my R75/5 painted in 1973 or 4 with Dupont Imron.
>> That was called an aircraft paint back then.  It the first I had seen
>> clear coat.40 years later, the frame still shines.
>>
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>> I think the metallics were the first with clear coat.  I think white and
>> black never got a clear coat.
>>
>> I had the frame of  my R75/5 painted in 1973 or 4 with Dupont Imron.
>> That was called an aircraft paint back then.  It the first I had seen clear
>> coat.40 years later, the frame still shines.
>>
>>
>>
>> G Mann via Mercedes 
>> June 22, 2016 at 8:55 PM
>> Is that clear coat peeling on the trunk lid?
>>
>> Help me here.. did Mercedes use clear coat paint in 1985? I think not..
>> so.. "REPAINT" .. which reads.. Crashed sometime in it's life.. yes?
>>
>> Me thinks tis not the garage queen it claims... regardless of price and
>> speedo reading.. which I also now suspect...
>>
>> For $15 large.. shouldn't it come with nubile female serving staff?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 1984 Mercedes Benz 200 station wagon

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Where are the interior photos?

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
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> pimp my ride
>
> --JC
>
>
>
> On 6/22/16 4:44 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Interestin'
>>
>>
>> Fred Moir.
>> Lynn MA.
>> Diesel preferred.
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: nore...@craigslist.org 
>> Sent: 22 June 2016 20:42
>> To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
>> Subject: 1984 Mercedes Benz 200 station wagon
>>
>>
>> fred.s...@verizon.net forwarded you this from craigslist:
>>
>> 
>> 1984 Mercedes Benz 200 station wagon
>>
>> http://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/5647311889.html
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Re: [MBZ] For the Stick W123 boys

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I love it when they coin an appealing name for a Mercedes color, e.g.,
"butterscotch" vs. "yellow".

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
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> I like the off-color driver's door on the '74 240D.  Adds a touch of je ne
> sais quoi.
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  > wrote:
>
>> I love the one that "howls when warm".
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:59 PM, clay via Mercedes > > wrote:
>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5611444362.html
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5630474547.html
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5645586778.html
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/5642673010.html - For K’Leb
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5647163534.html
>>>
>>>
>>> No interest, not mine, looks like a taxi
>>>
>>> This guy may be on crack -
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/5629710526.html
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] For the Stick W123 boys

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I like the off-color driver's door on the '74 240D.  Adds a touch of je ne
sais quoi.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> I love the one that "howls when warm".
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:59 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5611444362.html
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5630474547.html
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5645586778.html
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/5642673010.html - For K’Leb
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5647163534.html
>>
>>
>> No interest, not mine, looks like a taxi
>>
>> This guy may be on crack -
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/5629710526.html
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] For the Stick W123 boys

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I love the one that "howls when warm".

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:59 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5611444362.html
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5630474547.html
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> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5645586778.html
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> https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/5642673010.html - For K’Leb
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5647163534.html
>
>
> No interest, not mine, looks like a taxi
>
> This guy may be on crack -
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/5629710526.html
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Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

My white 80 123.123 had no clear coat.  My 81 Midnight blue has no clear 
coat.  Both need martha to come work his magic,  or maybe Randy...


87 and 88 124 wagons had no clear coat.  I think the official name was 
arctic white.  By 87 most colors had a clear.  Except, as WIlton pointed 
out, Weiss and schwarz.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
June 23, 2016 at 8:25 AM
My '83 240D was white with failed clearcoat... Again no sign of a repaint.
-Curt

From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked

I think the metallics were the first with clear coat.  I think white and
black never got a clear coat.

I had the frame of  my R75/5 painted in 1973 or 4 with Dupont Imron.
That was called an aircraft paint back then.  It the first I had seen
clear coat.40 years later, the frame still shines.



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Curley McLain 
June 22, 2016 at 10:21 PM
I think the metallics were the first with clear coat.  I think white 
and black never got a clear coat.


I had the frame of  my R75/5 painted in 1973 or 4 with Dupont Imron.  
That was called an aircraft paint back then.  It the first I had seen 
clear coat.40 years later, the frame still shines.




G Mann via Mercedes 
June 22, 2016 at 8:55 PM
Is that clear coat peeling on the trunk lid?

Help me here.. did Mercedes use clear coat paint in 1985? I think not..
so.. "REPAINT" .. which reads.. Crashed sometime in it's life.. yes?

Me thinks tis not the garage queen it claims... regardless of price and
speedo reading.. which I also now suspect...

For $15 large.. shouldn't it come with nubile female serving staff?


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Re: [MBZ] Worth $7.00?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The image is discernible.   It is not extremely high quality, but maybe 
if you have the spyware, you may be able to focus it better.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 23, 2016 at 8:13 AM
Is the image quality decent?

Having a borescope that shows a decent image would be useful at times 
when you’re trying to look around in tight spaces or take a look in a 
cylinder, for example. I see the resolution os 640x480.


Dan



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Re: [MBZ] Iron rain

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Rotary launcher.

On G and H models, I carried 8 one mega-ton Short Range Attack Missiles) 
SRAM's in aft bomb bay on those, plus 4 1.1 mega-ton gravity bombs in 
forward bomb bay - all nuclear, of course.


On D models, in SEA (to Vietnam), I carried 24 500-pound HE bombs on wing 
pylons and 84 500 and/or 750-pound HE bombs in bomb bay for total of 108.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Iron rain



I like the rotisserie thing in the bomb bay.

Dan


On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Under this is where you don't wanna be.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a21444/b-52-loadout-where-it-goes/?



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Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Zackly.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked


Neither white nor the 040 black got clear coats.  They were both single 
stage paints.


I’ve petty much resigned myself to never buying a car with a clear coat 
(older car, that is.)  If it’s got a single stage paint I can almost 
always make it pretty again.  Or at least presentable.


Dan


On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:21 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:


I think the metallics were the first with clear coat.  I think white and 
black never got a clear coat.


I had the frame of  my R75/5 painted in 1973 or 4 with Dupont Imron. 
That was called an aircraft paint back then.  It the first I had seen 
clear coat.40 years later, the frame still shines.




Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
June 22, 2016 at 9:21 PM
They used clear coat then, probably as far back as 81 or so.

Sent from my iPhone




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Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Interesting.  I have never seen a clearcoat on an MB single stage paint that I 
know of.  They used a lot of clear on the metallics in the early to mid 1980s, 
as there were failure issues with it big time.  When I was first down in 
Florida in the late 1990s and looking for a nice W126 diesel I saw a lot of 
failed clearcoats, especially on the trunk and roof of the cars.  A number of 
cars I looked at that were good had been repainted under warranty by the 
dealers, so the failures had to be close to the time of purchase, I would think.

Dan


> On Jun 23, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My '83 240D was white with failed clearcoat... Again no sign of a repaint.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked
> 
> I think the metallics were the first with clear coat.  I think white and 
> black never got a clear coat.
> 
> I had the frame of  my R75/5 painted in 1973 or 4 with Dupont Imron.  
> That was called an aircraft paint back then.  It the first I had seen 
> clear coat.40 years later, the frame still shines.
> 
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> June 22, 2016 at 9:21 PM
>> They used clear coat then, probably as far back as 81 or so.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Interesting.  I have never seen a clearcoat on an MB single stage paint that I 
know of.  They used a lot of clear on the metallics in the early to mid 1980s, 
as there were failure issues with it big time.  When I was first down in 
Florida in the late 1990s and looking for a nice W126 diesel I saw a lot of 
failed clearcoats, especially on the trunk and roof of the cars.  A number of 
cars I looked at that were good had been repainted under warranty by the 
dealers, so the failures had to be close to the time of purchase, I would think.

Dan


> On Jun 23, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> My '83 240D was white with failed clearcoat... Again no sign of a repaint.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked
> 
> I think the metallics were the first with clear coat.  I think white and 
> black never got a clear coat.
> 
> I had the frame of  my R75/5 painted in 1973 or 4 with Dupont Imron.  
> That was called an aircraft paint back then.  It the first I had seen 
> clear coat.40 years later, the frame still shines.
> 
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> June 22, 2016 at 9:21 PM
>> They used clear coat then, probably as far back as 81 or so.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My '83 240D was white with failed clearcoat... Again no sign of a repaint.
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked
   
I think the metallics were the first with clear coat.  I think white and 
black never got a clear coat.

I had the frame of  my R75/5 painted in 1973 or 4 with Dupont Imron.  
That was called an aircraft paint back then.  It the first I had seen 
clear coat.    40 years later, the frame still shines.


> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> June 22, 2016 at 9:21 PM
> They used clear coat then, probably as far back as 81 or so.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yeah, my '83 240D had failed clearcoat. No sign of a repaint...
-Curt

  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:21 PM
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They used clear coat then, probably as far back as 81 or so.

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> On Jun 22, 2016, at 8:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Is that clear coat peeling on the trunk lid?
> 
> Help me here.. did Mercedes use clear coat paint in 1985?  I think not..
> so.. "REPAINT" .. which reads.. Crashed sometime in it's life.. yes?
> 
> Me thinks tis not the garage queen it claims... regardless of price and
> speedo reading.. which I also now suspect...
> 
> For $15 large.. shouldn't it come with nubile female serving staff?
> 
> 
> Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> 
> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> 
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> 
>> 
>> 1985 300D
>> http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/5620061933.html
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Re: [MBZ] Worth $7.00?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Is the image quality decent?

Having a borescope that shows a decent image would be useful at times when 
you’re trying to look around in tight spaces or take a look in a cylinder, for 
example.  I see the resolution os 640x480.

Dan


> On Jun 23, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> I got mine to show a picture on the mac, but in order to be able to run the 
> lights, you have to download the latest version of the chinee spyware and run 
> it on winders.  This is one reason I was trying to get the gatorway laptop to 
> run widows 10.   THe laptop I had planned to use as a shop computer has 
> ubunto on it.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> June 23, 2016 at 7:42 AM
>> I wonder if it is worth trying this out for $7.00? Looks like it could be 
>> pretty handy around the shop.
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/262310448166?rmvSB=true 
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Worth $7.00?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I got mine to show a picture on the mac, but in order to be able to run 
the lights, you have to download the latest version of the chinee 
spyware and run it on winders.  This is one reason I was trying to get 
the gatorway laptop to run widows 10.   THe laptop I had planned to use 
as a shop computer has ubunto on it.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 23, 2016 at 7:42 AM
I wonder if it is worth trying this out for $7.00? Looks like it could 
be pretty handy around the shop.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/262310448166?rmvSB=true 



Dan



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[MBZ] Worth $7.00?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I wonder if it is worth trying this out for $7.00?  Looks like it could be 
pretty handy around the shop.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/262310448166?rmvSB=true 


Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Iron rain

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I like the rotisserie thing in the bomb bay.

Dan


> On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> Under this is where you don't wanna be.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Lots of crack smoked

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Neither white nor the 040 black got clear coats.  They were both single stage 
paints.

I’ve petty much resigned myself to never buying a car with a clear coat (older 
car, that is.)  If it’s got a single stage paint I can almost always make it 
pretty again.  Or at least presentable.

Dan


> On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:21 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think the metallics were the first with clear coat.  I think white and 
> black never got a clear coat.
> 
> I had the frame of  my R75/5 painted in 1973 or 4 with Dupont Imron.  That 
> was called an aircraft paint back then.  It the first I had seen clear coat.  
>   40 years later, the frame still shines.
> 
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> June 22, 2016 at 9:21 PM
>> They used clear coat then, probably as far back as 81 or so.
>> 
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