Re: [MBZ] OT: Virtual Box

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Apparently Craig wrote:
>
> Recently, our laptop, the only thing around here with Windows on it,
> was broken, so I have been thinking about installing a Virtual Box virtual
> machine and then Windows 7 32-bit on that.
>
> I have downloaded the RHEL5 RPM file and can install that easily.
>
> What do I do then?


Install the VirtualBox package, deal with the dependencies,
and launch the GUI.  Then get out a MSWin installer disk,
create a new guest machine, and proceed to install MSWin onto
it. *smiles*


Max wrote:

Uh, I may be wrong, but the Oracle Virtual Box that I
played with was not a "bare metal" operating system, it was
a program that ran inside the M$ OS.


Correct.  You get VirtualBox for your host OS - (MS, *nix,
Mac).  Then VirtualBox can create a "guest" - which _acts_
like a bare metal computer.  It uses a hostOS file as it's
harddrive and you can then install any OS you want on the
guest.

I have never run on a MS host, but I have many Linux hosts
setup.
The general scheme is a host can have one or more guests
running on it.  The OS on each guest thinks its running a
bare metal machine - but it's not.  Each guest connects to
the outside world through the host, and can be "operated"
either from the host.

The harddrive file can be "dynamically allocated" which makes
a sparse file on the host, meaning the guest can be told it
has a 20G harddrive, but the host "harddrive" file is only as
big as what is used - up to the full 20G. Over time, it will
grow, and there are tools to allow reducing the size.

VirtualBox like to have RAM, but I run WinXP guest on a
Debian host with 2G RAM, so it doesn't have to be huge
amounts to work.

The guest NIC can be bridged or NAT.
Oh, I do recommend "guest additions" - which is software for
the _guest_ to make it easier/smoother to manage it from the
host.

I abandoned dual boot a decade or so ago and all my MSWin
dependencies are managed in various guests.  USB now works
well, network has worked well for a long time, serial is
solid - but any tight connections to external hardware stuff
is the most likely place for there to be a problem.
When I had dual boot, I had to install enough software in
MSWin that I could function  - browser, PDF reader, file
manager, etc.  With it as a guest OS, all that is handled by
the host.  Copy/paste even works between the host and the
guest.

In my MSWin guests, I can run the latest version of Acrobat
Reader (no longer available for Linux, but required for
fill-in tax forms), CAD program, etc.

One guest is only for my ancient Garmin.  It was a install
all the bits to make it work - now it's "portable" in that I
can "Export an Appliance" which is VirtualBox speak for
making a portable copy that I can then open on any host.
Same sort of thing for iTunes - but that one didn't relocate
very well.
I have a Linux guest with the harddrive set to
"immutable" (it reverts every time it reboots) so the kids
who can't read can use the computer and if they mess
something it "fixes itself" *smiles*.

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Re: [MBZ] OT refrigerators

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The ones I am looking at are currently about 40% off at Lowes.  I will 
probably check the other local stores to see what they have.


On 7/9/2016 9:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I thought you learned your lesson about buying appliances at a big box stores.
Lowe's and Home Depot suck...

Curt

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   On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:   Our current refrigerator is a Whirlpool side by side stainless. With

these side by sides there never seems to be enough room.  Also, the ice
maker in it will hold enough ice to fill up my big thermos water jug
that I use when working outside on car lots. If I end up having to work
outside more than 1 day in a row the ice maker will not fill back up by
the next morning between using all of the ice in the morning and
whatever is used in the house during the day. Usually by the time I get
home in the afternoon it has filled about half way back up, then we use
ice in the evening using most of what was made, then in the morning it
is filled about half way back up again. After a couple of days I really
do not have enough ice to fill up my jug.  So this leads me to start
looking at these new french door refrigerators with the slide out
freezer in the bottom. I am most interested in one that has dual ice
makers, they have one in the door and one in the bottom freezer.  We do
not use bulk ice that often but when we need it, it would be great to
have it.  In my little bit of research I am tending to lean toward
Samsung or LG. The Whirlpool/Maytag/GE seems like they are way more
expensive than what you can get from LG/Samsung.  Anybody have any
refrigerator experience they would like to share?  Online reviews seem
to be no help really.  Any website I find seems to be an advertisement
for 1 brand or the other.  Also, Lowes seems to be having a massive sale
that lasts a few more days.

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Re: [MBZ] OT refrigerators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I thought you learned your lesson about buying appliances at a big box stores.
Lowe's and Home Depot suck...

Curt

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  On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via 
Mercedes wrote:   Our current refrigerator is a 
Whirlpool side by side stainless. With 
these side by sides there never seems to be enough room.  Also, the ice 
maker in it will hold enough ice to fill up my big thermos water jug 
that I use when working outside on car lots. If I end up having to work 
outside more than 1 day in a row the ice maker will not fill back up by 
the next morning between using all of the ice in the morning and 
whatever is used in the house during the day. Usually by the time I get 
home in the afternoon it has filled about half way back up, then we use 
ice in the evening using most of what was made, then in the morning it 
is filled about half way back up again. After a couple of days I really 
do not have enough ice to fill up my jug.  So this leads me to start 
looking at these new french door refrigerators with the slide out 
freezer in the bottom. I am most interested in one that has dual ice 
makers, they have one in the door and one in the bottom freezer.  We do 
not use bulk ice that often but when we need it, it would be great to 
have it.  In my little bit of research I am tending to lean toward 
Samsung or LG. The Whirlpool/Maytag/GE seems like they are way more 
expensive than what you can get from LG/Samsung.  Anybody have any 
refrigerator experience they would like to share?  Online reviews seem 
to be no help really.  Any website I find seems to be an advertisement 
for 1 brand or the other.  Also, Lowes seems to be having a massive sale 
that lasts a few more days.

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Re: [MBZ] OT refrigerators

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 9 Jul 2016 18:29:06 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> The ice maker is just one issue, a medium sized one.  The larger issue 
> is our current fridge is just not large enough, and the space is narrow 
> with no room for larger items.

Yup, that's what side-by-sides are like.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Do Not Buy my S***

[clay via Mercedes]

It is money enough that he gets rid of it when the ash tray fills or something 
shiny catches his eye.  Not big on piddly repairs

clay

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> For the kind of money that guy makes he should be paying someone to do it.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:32 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Deadliest Catch
>> 
>> Sig Hansen
>> 
>> Seller picked the car up a few weeks ago and was going to use it as parts, 
>> but just could not tear it apart.  the thing probably blew a head gasket, 
>> needs re-ring, and Sig seems to have the dexterity of a bear.  That is why 
>> the interior is so gnarly
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So tell who this TV celebrity is.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:59 PM, clay via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/291814937217?
 
 I spiffed the R129 up and it would be a fine low ball acquisition.  I am 
 going to posit that investing $4k would make it a $8k car, no trouble.  If 
 it went to a shop for work, it becomes stupid expensive.  Shade tree Benz 
 bum could put a new head gasket in, swap in fresh leather and soft top, 
 put in a good radiator and rebuild the transmission.  If an insurance 
 auction SL showed up, parts would be dirt cheap and it’s all labor to swap 
 over.  Maaco paint job after you sand the dead paint and it would be a two 
 footer instead of a 10 footer.  
 
 
 
 
 clay 
 
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 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
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Re: [MBZ] Do Not Buy my S***

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

For the kind of money that guy makes he should be paying someone to do it.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:32 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Deadliest Catch
> 
> Sig Hansen
> 
> Seller picked the car up a few weeks ago and was going to use it as parts, 
> but just could not tear it apart.  the thing probably blew a head gasket, 
> needs re-ring, and Sig seems to have the dexterity of a bear.  That is why 
> the interior is so gnarly
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So tell who this TV celebrity is.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:59 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/291814937217?
>>> 
>>> I spiffed the R129 up and it would be a fine low ball acquisition.  I am 
>>> going to posit that investing $4k would make it a $8k car, no trouble.  If 
>>> it went to a shop for work, it becomes stupid expensive.  Shade tree Benz 
>>> bum could put a new head gasket in, swap in fresh leather and soft top, put 
>>> in a good radiator and rebuild the transmission.  If an insurance auction 
>>> SL showed up, parts would be dirt cheap and it’s all labor to swap over.  
>>> Maaco paint job after you sand the dead paint and it would be a two footer 
>>> instead of a 10 footer.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay 
>>> 
>>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Do Not Buy my S***

[clay via Mercedes]

Deadliest Catch

Sig Hansen

Seller picked the car up a few weeks ago and was going to use it as parts, but 
just could not tear it apart.  the thing probably blew a head gasket, needs 
re-ring, and Sig seems to have the dexterity of a bear.  That is why the 
interior is so gnarly

clay



> On Jul 9, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So tell who this TV celebrity is.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:59 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/291814937217?
>> 
>> I spiffed the R129 up and it would be a fine low ball acquisition.  I am 
>> going to posit that investing $4k would make it a $8k car, no trouble.  If 
>> it went to a shop for work, it becomes stupid expensive.  Shade tree Benz 
>> bum could put a new head gasket in, swap in fresh leather and soft top, put 
>> in a good radiator and rebuild the transmission.  If an insurance auction SL 
>> showed up, parts would be dirt cheap and it’s all labor to swap over.  Maaco 
>> paint job after you sand the dead paint and it would be a two footer instead 
>> of a 10 footer.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Do Not Buy my S***

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So tell who this TV celebrity is.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:59 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/291814937217?
> 
> I spiffed the R129 up and it would be a fine low ball acquisition.  I am 
> going to posit that investing $4k would make it a $8k car, no trouble.  If it 
> went to a shop for work, it becomes stupid expensive.  Shade tree Benz bum 
> could put a new head gasket in, swap in fresh leather and soft top, put in a 
> good radiator and rebuild the transmission.  If an insurance auction SL 
> showed up, parts would be dirt cheap and it’s all labor to swap over.  Maaco 
> paint job after you sand the dead paint and it would be a two footer instead 
> of a 10 footer.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Is cheap, off-brand gas bad for engines?

[clay via Mercedes]

Last tank of Costco gas was $2.67.gal for 92 octane.  That was $0.20 more than 
87 octane.  Local gas stations are selling at $0.10 steps, unless they are 
close to the freeway, then it goes to $0.15 steps and about $0.90 or more per 
gallon than less desperation location options

clay


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On July 9, 2016 at 3:21 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I stick with Top Tier fuels in my cars, typically Costco. Their fuel prices 
>> are competitive, especially since a lot of stations jack the price of 
>> premium to stupid amounts over regular unleaded.
>> 
> 
> Ok, how much does everybody pay for premium?
> 
> 10 years ago, every station around me charged 10 cents a grade, so 93 octane 
> cost 20 cents more than 87 octane. 
> 
> Then it was 15 cents, then 20 cents, and last year it went to 25 cents and 
> stayed there. 
> 
> So now, I can get a gallon of regular for 2.109, 89 or 90 octane for 2.359, 
> or 93 octane for 2.609, except the Shell station wants 2.139 for regular and 
> 2.7xx for premium. 
> 
> 
> 
> Does everybody have to pay 50 cents more than regular for premium?
> 
> 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Don't see one of these every day...

[clay via Mercedes]

WHY YOU DO THAT!?!?!

What has once been seen, can not be unseen

clay

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:20 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> http://i.imgur.com/DVXArCk.jpg
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[MBZ] Do Not Buy my S***

[clay via Mercedes]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/291814937217?

I spiffed the R129 up and it would be a fine low ball acquisition.  I am going 
to posit that investing $4k would make it a $8k car, no trouble.  If it went to 
a shop for work, it becomes stupid expensive.  Shade tree Benz bum could put a 
new head gasket in, swap in fresh leather and soft top, put in a good radiator 
and rebuild the transmission.  If an insurance auction SL showed up, parts 
would be dirt cheap and it’s all labor to swap over.  Maaco paint job after you 
sand the dead paint and it would be a two footer instead of a 10 footer.  




clay 

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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] OT refrigerators

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

Found one in OKC http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/app/5575246312.html

Meeker : http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/for/5660849436.html this is 
like the one we bought at our base.





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Re: [MBZ] OT refrigerators

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The ice maker is just one issue, a medium sized one.  The larger issue 
is our current fridge is just not large enough, and the space is narrow 
with no room for larger items.


On 7/9/2016 6:19 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes wrote:
If your fridge is working Ok you can buy a counter top ice maker. 
Sam's has them, a friend bought on of the 10# models.
Works great but the storage bin is on the small side. Or do like my 
uncle and the last base I worked at and go to a restaurant
supply house and see if they have a used commercial ice maker for 
sale. One of our mechs found one at a restaurant that
was going out of business. We all chipped in and bought it for 150 
bucks. Was nice to be able to fill up an ice chest to keep
the fish I caught cold on my 2 1/2 trip home with out going ans paying 
Achmed an exorbitant price for a bag of ice.

Commercial ice makers sell for $1800 and up new.
Russ


On Sat,7/9/16 16:15, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Our current refrigerator is a Whirlpool side by side stainless. With 
these side by sides there never seems to be enough room.  Also, the 
ice maker in it will hold enough ice to fill up my big thermos water 
jug that I use when working outside on car lots. If I end up having 
to work outside more than 1 day in a row the ice maker will not fill 
back up by the next morning between using all of the ice in the 
morning and whatever is used in the house during the day. Usually by 
the time I get home in the afternoon it has filled about half way 
back up, then we use ice in the evening using most of what was made, 
then in the morning it is filled about half way back up again. After 
a couple of days I really do not have enough ice to fill up my jug.  
So this leads me to start looking at these new french door 
refrigerators with the slide out freezer in the bottom. I am most 
interested in one that has dual ice makers, they have one in the door 
and one in the bottom freezer.  We do not use bulk ice that often but 
when we need it, it would be great to have it.  In my little bit of 
research I am tending to lean toward Samsung or LG. The 
Whirlpool/Maytag/GE seems like they are way more expensive than what 
you can get from LG/Samsung.  Anybody have any refrigerator 
experience they would like to share?  Online reviews seem to be no 
help really.  Any website I find seems to be an advertisement for 1 
brand or the other.  Also, Lowes seems to be having a massive sale 
that lasts a few more days.


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Re: [MBZ] OT refrigerators

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Son replaced all kitchen appliances with LG over a year ago at big saving. So 
far no problems, and his wife likes the ultra quiet dishwasher very much.
He entertains business associates and neighbors frequently, but seldom big 
groups. He has two previous fridges in the garage; one full of beer for him and 
his former college team mates who come by fairly often, and the other which has 
an ice maker and holds other stuff.

I have a ten plus year old Amana with a bottom drawer freezer/ice maker which 
has never given a bit of trouble besides the ice maker freezing up when I 
rarelly used it for a couple of years. A full defrost thawed it out and it's 
been fine ever since.
When the time comes that it does need a new compressor or whatever, I'll get it 
fixed because I probably wouldn't be as satisfied with any other.
Gerry


Joel Cairo wrote:
> I bought a big (the biggest) Samsung top-french-door, bottom drawer 
> fridge about 1.5 yr ago, I think it is like 33cuft.  The bottom ice 
> maker quit working about 9 months ago, guy came and determined the fill 
> tube had cracked and frozen up, replaced that and it started making ice 
> again.  This was just some little plastic tube about a foot long.  But 
> it goes on strike every few days and I have to hit the reset button on 
> the ice maker to get it to cycle and start making ice again.  The 
> adverts say it can make up to 10lb ice a day, that is more like 10lb/wk 
> if it keeps working.  The top maker that feeds the door seems to work 
> OK, I think I only had to recycle it once when it ran out of ice in the 
> drawer.  The bottom ice maker is now starting to get wonky again, I 
> might call them soon and have them come and replace it.
> 
> The top ice maker holds maybe 5lb of ice, the bottom is just a big tray 
> under the maker that the ice dumps in then slides out when you pull out 
> the drawer.
> 
> The fridge part is kinda nice except to get the bottom meat drawer open 
> (it is as wide as the  interior) you have to open both doors.  There are 
> 2 1/2 drawers for vegs, you can open them either side with just that 
> door open.
> 
> The guy who came said they have a lot of problems with the Samsungs and 
> LGs and whatnot, none of them are very high quality these days and 
> probably won't last that long as they use small motors and compressors 
> to get the energy ratings but since they are running flat out they wear 
> out fast.  Plus that fill tube issue was a common one, go figure a $3 
> part fails like that so easy.
> 
> I bought the extended warranty, 3 years I think, so I am covered another 
> 1.5yr.
> 
> My SIL has a Bosch fridge though it is not that big and is a 
> side-by-side, but it is a nice unit.
> 
> I was going to put a dedicated ice maker in my new kitchen but my wife 
> had a fit about it for some reason I could not understand. Last weekend 
> we had a bunch of people here, and of course ran out of ice in about 2 
> hours.  Sent the kids to get a coupla bags, my wife remarked we needed a 
> bigger ice maker... duh ya think?  I think that is the way to go, put 
> one in your shed and have as much as you want.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> On 7/9/16 5:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > Our current refrigerator is a Whirlpool side by side stainless. With 
> > these side by sides there never seems to be enough room.  Also, the 
> > ice maker in it will hold enough ice to fill up my big thermos water 
> > jug that I use when working outside on car lots. If I end up having to 
> > work outside more than 1 day in a row the ice maker will not fill back 
> > up by the next morning between using all of the ice in the morning and 
> > whatever is used in the house during the day. Usually by the time I 
> > get home in the afternoon it has filled about half way back up, then 
> > we use ice in the evening using most of what was made, then in the 
> > morning it is filled about half way back up again. After a couple of 
> > days I really do not have enough ice to fill up my jug.  So this leads 
> > me to start looking at these new french door refrigerators with the 
> > slide out freezer in the bottom. I am most interested in one that has 
> > dual ice makers, they have one in the door and one in the bottom 
> > freezer.  We do not use bulk ice that often but when we need it, it 
> > would be great to have it.  In my little bit of research I am tending 
> > to lean toward Samsung or LG. The Whirlpool/Maytag/GE seems like they 
> > are way more expensive than what you can get from LG/Samsung.  Anybody 
> > have any refrigerator experience they would like to share?  Online 
> > reviews seem to be no help really.  Any website I find seems to be an 
> > advertisement for 1 brand or the other.  Also, Lowes seems to be 
> > having a massive sale that lasts a few more days.
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I still have a tach and timing light. Both Heathkits I made years ago.

These are nice.

Dan

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> 
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> 
> This could be of interest to those who swing wrench more than I am prone to.  
> Not mine
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT refrigerators

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

If your fridge is working Ok you can buy a counter top ice maker. Sam's 
has them, a friend bought on of the 10# models.
Works great but the storage bin is on the small side. Or do like my 
uncle and the last base I worked at and go to a restaurant
supply house and see if they have a used commercial ice maker for sale. 
One of our mechs found one at a restaurant that
was going out of business. We all chipped in and bought it for 150 
bucks. Was nice to be able to fill up an ice chest to keep
the fish I caught cold on my 2 1/2 trip home with out going ans paying 
Achmed an exorbitant price for a bag of ice.

Commercial ice makers sell for $1800 and up new.
Russ


On Sat,7/9/16 16:15, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Our current refrigerator is a Whirlpool side by side stainless. With 
these side by sides there never seems to be enough room.  Also, the 
ice maker in it will hold enough ice to fill up my big thermos water 
jug that I use when working outside on car lots. If I end up having to 
work outside more than 1 day in a row the ice maker will not fill back 
up by the next morning between using all of the ice in the morning and 
whatever is used in the house during the day. Usually by the time I 
get home in the afternoon it has filled about half way back up, then 
we use ice in the evening using most of what was made, then in the 
morning it is filled about half way back up again. After a couple of 
days I really do not have enough ice to fill up my jug.  So this leads 
me to start looking at these new french door refrigerators with the 
slide out freezer in the bottom. I am most interested in one that has 
dual ice makers, they have one in the door and one in the bottom 
freezer.  We do not use bulk ice that often but when we need it, it 
would be great to have it.  In my little bit of research I am tending 
to lean toward Samsung or LG. The Whirlpool/Maytag/GE seems like they 
are way more expensive than what you can get from LG/Samsung.  Anybody 
have any refrigerator experience they would like to share?  Online 
reviews seem to be no help really.  Any website I find seems to be an 
advertisement for 1 brand or the other.  Also, Lowes seems to be 
having a massive sale that lasts a few more days.


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Re: [MBZ] OT refrigerators

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I don't really have a point of reference on this, as this is the first French 
door fridge we have owned. I suspect it takes space from the fridge.

Dan

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> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wondered what the deal was with these small 2nd drawer between the top frig 
> and the freezer.  From what I am seeing the ones that have dual ice makers do 
> not have this drawer, the ones that have it only have the bottom freezer.  
> Does the 2nd drawer take away from upper frig space?
> 
>> On 7/9/2016 4:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> When we moved into this house in 2011 we bought a French door fridge by 
>> Maytag. The one thing we wanted was a drawer between the fridge and freezer 
>> section. These are great for beverages and other stuff that you access 
>> regularly so you're not opening the main fridge.
>> 
>> I think ours is around 24 cubic feet and we bought it as a floor model close 
>> out for around $1700. It normally sold for around $2100.
>> 
>> As for the icemaker, it makes plenty of ice but with guests in the house or 
>> a big demand it won't keep up. As this isn't a regular issue, we just grab a 
>> bag of ice and put it in the big upright freezer we have in the garage.
>> 
>> I didn't think I would like the lower freezer drawer setup, but it works 
>> well and stores a fair amount of stuff.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Our current refrigerator is a Whirlpool side by side stainless. With these 
>>> side by sides there never seems to be enough room.  Also, the ice maker in 
>>> it will hold enough ice to fill up my big thermos water jug that I use when 
>>> working outside on car lots. If I end up having to work outside more than 1 
>>> day in a row the ice maker will not fill back up by the next morning 
>>> between using all of the ice in the morning and whatever is used in the 
>>> house during the day. Usually by the time I get home in the afternoon it 
>>> has filled about half way back up, then we use ice in the evening using 
>>> most of what was made, then in the morning it is filled about half way back 
>>> up again. After a couple of days I really do not have enough ice to fill up 
>>> my jug.  So this leads me to start looking at these new french door 
>>> refrigerators with the slide out freezer in the bottom. I am most 
>>> interested in one that has dual ice makers, they have one in the door and 
>>> one in the bottom freezer.  We do not use bulk
  ice that often but when we need it, it would be great to have it.  In my 
little bit of research I am tending to lean toward Samsung or LG. The 
Whirlpool/Maytag/GE seems like they are way more expensive than what you can 
get from LG/Samsung.  Anybody have any refrigerator experience they would like 
to share?  Online reviews seem to be no help really.  Any website I find seems 
to be an advertisement for 1 brand or the other.  Also, Lowes seems to be 
having a massive sale that lasts a few more days.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mitch & Liberty's Last Stand

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Hey Mitch:  Thanks for that.  Scott

 

From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 2:59 PM



 

On July 8, 2016 at 2:46 PM Mountain Man  > wrote:
Matt Bracken is the name Rick put up - nice catch Rick!
Thanks for years ago posting Absolved.
mao

 

Here's a little example of Bracken's writing:

http://chromatism.net/current/pisschristpisskoran.htm

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[MBZ] Cool tools for somebody

[clay via Mercedes]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Inductive-Timing-Light-Compression-Tester-Tachometer-Starter-Switch-Set-/311652083958?hash=item488fe968f6=311652083958=mtr

This could be of interest to those who swing wrench more than I am prone to.  
Not mine


clay 

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Re: [MBZ] OT refrigerators

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

If ice is the biggest issue, and you have a chest or upright freezer in 
addition to a fridge, freeze milk jugs of water. When you need ice, take them 
out of the freezer and smack them on the truck bumper or concrete, cut it open 
and voila, you have crushed ice.

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] OT refrigerators

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:15:28 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Anybody have any refrigerator experience they would like to share?
> Online reviews seem to be no help really.  Any website I find seems to
> be an advertisement for 1 brand or the other.  Also, Lowes seems to be
> having a massive sale that lasts a few more days.

We had a 21 ft^3 Amana french door, bottom drawer freezer in Los Alamos
which we sold with the house.

We are currently using a smaller (19 ft^3, IIRC) Amana my parents bought
for us when I was in grad school in Texas in the mid- to late-1990s. It
has a bottom freezer and both the refrigerator section and freezer
section have single doors.

We got used to the arrangement of the larger Amana, but when we
transitioned back to the smaller, I was amazed how much the door on
the smaller refrigerator holds.

We stay away from side-by-side refrigerators like the plague because
of their waste of space and unusable space.

Likewise, though not as badly, the french doors waste space because they
have to have two extra door seals in the middle of the two refrigerator
doors.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT refrigerators

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On July 9, 2016 at 5:32 PM Joel Cairo via Mercedes  wrote:The guy who came said they have a lot of problems with the Samsungs and LGs and whatnot, none of them are very high quality these days and probably won't last that long as they use small motors and compressors to get the energy ratings but since they are running flat out they wear out fast. Plus that fill tube issue was a common one, go figure a $3 part fails like that so easy.He might be right about them not holding up long term. He's way off base in his reasoning of why. Longer runs are better for the compressor than frequent cycles. My parents finally retired their 1959 Coldspot freezer this year. It was still running fine, and had rarely shut off (only for power failures, defrostings, etc) since my brother broke the knob off in 1965 when mom had it set full cold for moving to a new house. I don't know about yours, but my newer fridge doesn't run much once it's cold. Maybe 15-20 minutes, once an hour or so. But it takes a day or two to go from room temp to fully cold. Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT refrigerators

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I think my priority other than it not breaking down is refrigerator 
space and ice maker


On 7/9/2016 4:49 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

We bought a Kenmore French door, bottom freezer unit after shopping around
most everywhere in OKC. I don't remember who really makes it, but it's been
OK so far. Size was one of the main decision factors - it had to fit the
existing (1997) space in the kitchen.

It has stopped making ice a couple of times, but it turns out that I have
remove - reinstall the water filter, and it starts working again (bubble in
the line?). It only has one ice maker, and it just keeps up with me in the
summer when no one else is using it. We do have another little fridge in
the guest house/workshop that is the back-up ice source. It comes in handy
several times a year.

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Our current refrigerator is a Whirlpool side by side stainless. With these
side by sides there never seems to be enough room.  Also, the ice maker in
it will hold enough ice to fill up my big thermos water jug that I use when
working outside on car lots. If I end up having to work outside more than 1
day in a row the ice maker will not fill back up by the next morning
between using all of the ice in the morning and whatever is used in the
house during the day. Usually by the time I get home in the afternoon it
has filled about half way back up, then we use ice in the evening using
most of what was made, then in the morning it is filled about half way back
up again. After a couple of days I really do not have enough ice to fill up
my jug.  So this leads me to start looking at these new french door
refrigerators with the slide out freezer in the bottom. I am most
interested in one that has dual ice makers, they have one in the door and
one in the bottom freezer.  We do not use bulk ice that often but when we
need it, it would be great to have it.  In my little bit of research I am
tending to lean toward Samsung or LG. The Whirlpool/Maytag/GE seems like
they are way more expensive than what you can get from LG/Samsung.  Anybody
have any refrigerator experience they would like to share?  Online reviews
seem to be no help really.  Any website I find seems to be an advertisement
for 1 brand or the other.  Also, Lowes seems to be having a massive sale
that lasts a few more days.

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[OK Don via Mercedes]

We bought a Kenmore French door, bottom freezer unit after shopping around
most everywhere in OKC. I don't remember who really makes it, but it's been
OK so far. Size was one of the main decision factors - it had to fit the
existing (1997) space in the kitchen.

It has stopped making ice a couple of times, but it turns out that I have
remove - reinstall the water filter, and it starts working again (bubble in
the line?). It only has one ice maker, and it just keeps up with me in the
summer when no one else is using it. We do have another little fridge in
the guest house/workshop that is the back-up ice source. It comes in handy
several times a year.

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Our current refrigerator is a Whirlpool side by side stainless. With these
> side by sides there never seems to be enough room.  Also, the ice maker in
> it will hold enough ice to fill up my big thermos water jug that I use when
> working outside on car lots. If I end up having to work outside more than 1
> day in a row the ice maker will not fill back up by the next morning
> between using all of the ice in the morning and whatever is used in the
> house during the day. Usually by the time I get home in the afternoon it
> has filled about half way back up, then we use ice in the evening using
> most of what was made, then in the morning it is filled about half way back
> up again. After a couple of days I really do not have enough ice to fill up
> my jug.  So this leads me to start looking at these new french door
> refrigerators with the slide out freezer in the bottom. I am most
> interested in one that has dual ice makers, they have one in the door and
> one in the bottom freezer.  We do not use bulk ice that often but when we
> need it, it would be great to have it.  In my little bit of research I am
> tending to lean toward Samsung or LG. The Whirlpool/Maytag/GE seems like
> they are way more expensive than what you can get from LG/Samsung.  Anybody
> have any refrigerator experience they would like to share?  Online reviews
> seem to be no help really.  Any website I find seems to be an advertisement
> for 1 brand or the other.  Also, Lowes seems to be having a massive sale
> that lasts a few more days.
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Re: [MBZ] OT refrigerators

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I bought a big (the biggest) Samsung top-french-door, bottom drawer 
fridge about 1.5 yr ago, I think it is like 33cuft.  The bottom ice 
maker quit working about 9 months ago, guy came and determined the fill 
tube had cracked and frozen up, replaced that and it started making ice 
again.  This was just some little plastic tube about a foot long.  But 
it goes on strike every few days and I have to hit the reset button on 
the ice maker to get it to cycle and start making ice again.  The 
adverts say it can make up to 10lb ice a day, that is more like 10lb/wk 
if it keeps working.  The top maker that feeds the door seems to work 
OK, I think I only had to recycle it once when it ran out of ice in the 
drawer.  The bottom ice maker is now starting to get wonky again, I 
might call them soon and have them come and replace it.


The top ice maker holds maybe 5lb of ice, the bottom is just a big tray 
under the maker that the ice dumps in then slides out when you pull out 
the drawer.


The fridge part is kinda nice except to get the bottom meat drawer open 
(it is as wide as the  interior) you have to open both doors.  There are 
2 1/2 drawers for vegs, you can open them either side with just that 
door open.


The guy who came said they have a lot of problems with the Samsungs and 
LGs and whatnot, none of them are very high quality these days and 
probably won't last that long as they use small motors and compressors 
to get the energy ratings but since they are running flat out they wear 
out fast.  Plus that fill tube issue was a common one, go figure a $3 
part fails like that so easy.


I bought the extended warranty, 3 years I think, so I am covered another 
1.5yr.


My SIL has a Bosch fridge though it is not that big and is a 
side-by-side, but it is a nice unit.


I was going to put a dedicated ice maker in my new kitchen but my wife 
had a fit about it for some reason I could not understand. Last weekend 
we had a bunch of people here, and of course ran out of ice in about 2 
hours.  Sent the kids to get a coupla bags, my wife remarked we needed a 
bigger ice maker... duh ya think?  I think that is the way to go, put 
one in your shed and have as much as you want.


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On 7/9/16 5:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Our current refrigerator is a Whirlpool side by side stainless. With 
these side by sides there never seems to be enough room.  Also, the 
ice maker in it will hold enough ice to fill up my big thermos water 
jug that I use when working outside on car lots. If I end up having to 
work outside more than 1 day in a row the ice maker will not fill back 
up by the next morning between using all of the ice in the morning and 
whatever is used in the house during the day. Usually by the time I 
get home in the afternoon it has filled about half way back up, then 
we use ice in the evening using most of what was made, then in the 
morning it is filled about half way back up again. After a couple of 
days I really do not have enough ice to fill up my jug.  So this leads 
me to start looking at these new french door refrigerators with the 
slide out freezer in the bottom. I am most interested in one that has 
dual ice makers, they have one in the door and one in the bottom 
freezer.  We do not use bulk ice that often but when we need it, it 
would be great to have it.  In my little bit of research I am tending 
to lean toward Samsung or LG. The Whirlpool/Maytag/GE seems like they 
are way more expensive than what you can get from LG/Samsung.  Anybody 
have any refrigerator experience they would like to share?  Online 
reviews seem to be no help really.  Any website I find seems to be an 
advertisement for 1 brand or the other.  Also, Lowes seems to be 
having a massive sale that lasts a few more days.


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Re: [MBZ] OT refrigerators

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I wondered what the deal was with these small 2nd drawer between the top 
frig and the freezer.  From what I am seeing the ones that have dual ice 
makers do not have this drawer, the ones that have it only have the 
bottom freezer.  Does the 2nd drawer take away from upper frig space?


On 7/9/2016 4:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

When we moved into this house in 2011 we bought a French door fridge by Maytag. 
The one thing we wanted was a drawer between the fridge and freezer section. 
These are great for beverages and other stuff that you access regularly so 
you're not opening the main fridge.

I think ours is around 24 cubic feet and we bought it as a floor model close 
out for around $1700. It normally sold for around $2100.

As for the icemaker, it makes plenty of ice but with guests in the house or a 
big demand it won't keep up. As this isn't a regular issue, we just grab a bag 
of ice and put it in the big upright freezer we have in the garage.

I didn't think I would like the lower freezer drawer setup, but it works well 
and stores a fair amount of stuff.

Dan

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On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Our current refrigerator is a Whirlpool side by side stainless. With these side by sides there never seems to be enough room.  Also, the ice maker in it will hold enough ice to fill up my big thermos water jug that I use when working outside on car lots. If I end up having to work outside more than 1 day in a row the ice maker will not fill back up by the next morning between using all of the ice in the morning and whatever is used in the house during the day. Usually by the time I get home in the afternoon it has filled about half way back up, then we use ice in the evening using most of what was made, then in the morning it is filled about half way back up again. After a couple of days I really do not have enough ice to fill up my jug.  So this leads me to start looking at these new french door refrigerators with the slide out freezer in the bottom. I am most interested in one that has dual ice makers, they have one in the door and one in the bottom freezer.  We do not use bulk 

ice that often but when we need it, it would be great to have it.  In my little 
bit of research I am tending to lean toward Samsung or LG. The 
Whirlpool/Maytag/GE seems like they are way more expensive than what you can 
get from LG/Samsung.  Anybody have any refrigerator experience they would like 
to share?  Online reviews seem to be no help really.  Any website I find seems 
to be an advertisement for 1 brand or the other.  Also, Lowes seems to be 
having a massive sale that lasts a few more days.


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Re: [MBZ] OT refrigerators

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

When we moved into this house in 2011 we bought a French door fridge by Maytag. 
The one thing we wanted was a drawer between the fridge and freezer section. 
These are great for beverages and other stuff that you access regularly so 
you're not opening the main fridge.

I think ours is around 24 cubic feet and we bought it as a floor model close 
out for around $1700. It normally sold for around $2100.

As for the icemaker, it makes plenty of ice but with guests in the house or a 
big demand it won't keep up. As this isn't a regular issue, we just grab a bag 
of ice and put it in the big upright freezer we have in the garage.

I didn't think I would like the lower freezer drawer setup, but it works well 
and stores a fair amount of stuff.

Dan

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> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Our current refrigerator is a Whirlpool side by side stainless. With these 
> side by sides there never seems to be enough room.  Also, the ice maker in it 
> will hold enough ice to fill up my big thermos water jug that I use when 
> working outside on car lots. If I end up having to work outside more than 1 
> day in a row the ice maker will not fill back up by the next morning between 
> using all of the ice in the morning and whatever is used in the house during 
> the day. Usually by the time I get home in the afternoon it has filled about 
> half way back up, then we use ice in the evening using most of what was made, 
> then in the morning it is filled about half way back up again. After a couple 
> of days I really do not have enough ice to fill up my jug.  So this leads me 
> to start looking at these new french door refrigerators with the slide out 
> freezer in the bottom. I am most interested in one that has dual ice makers, 
> they have one in the door and one in the bottom freezer.  We do not use bulk i
 ce that often but when we need it, it would be great to have it.  In my little 
bit of research I am tending to lean toward Samsung or LG. The 
Whirlpool/Maytag/GE seems like they are way more expensive than what you can 
get from LG/Samsung.  Anybody have any refrigerator experience they would like 
to share?  Online reviews seem to be no help really.  Any website I find seems 
to be an advertisement for 1 brand or the other.  Also, Lowes seems to be 
having a massive sale that lasts a few more days.
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[MBZ] OT refrigerators

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Our current refrigerator is a Whirlpool side by side stainless. With 
these side by sides there never seems to be enough room.  Also, the ice 
maker in it will hold enough ice to fill up my big thermos water jug 
that I use when working outside on car lots. If I end up having to work 
outside more than 1 day in a row the ice maker will not fill back up by 
the next morning between using all of the ice in the morning and 
whatever is used in the house during the day. Usually by the time I get 
home in the afternoon it has filled about half way back up, then we use 
ice in the evening using most of what was made, then in the morning it 
is filled about half way back up again. After a couple of days I really 
do not have enough ice to fill up my jug.  So this leads me to start 
looking at these new french door refrigerators with the slide out 
freezer in the bottom. I am most interested in one that has dual ice 
makers, they have one in the door and one in the bottom freezer.  We do 
not use bulk ice that often but when we need it, it would be great to 
have it.  In my little bit of research I am tending to lean toward 
Samsung or LG. The Whirlpool/Maytag/GE seems like they are way more 
expensive than what you can get from LG/Samsung.  Anybody have any 
refrigerator experience they would like to share?  Online reviews seem 
to be no help really.  Any website I find seems to be an advertisement 
for 1 brand or the other.  Also, Lowes seems to be having a massive sale 
that lasts a few more days.


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Re: [MBZ] Is cheap, off-brand gas bad for engines?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Reminds me I need to fill the pickup. $2.14 I saw this morning...
Curt

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  On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 3:41 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via 
Mercedes wrote:   I paid $2.7x at Kum 'n Go last week, 
just before gas prices dropped 20c/gal
locally (dammit).

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> On July 9, 2016 at 3:21 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> I stick with Top Tier fuels in my cars, typically Costco. Their fuel
> prices are competitive, especially since a lot of stations jack the price
> of premium to stupid amounts over regular unleaded.
>
>
> Ok, how much does everybody pay for premium?
>
> 10 years ago, every station around me charged 10 cents a grade, so 93
> octane cost 20 cents more than 87 octane.
>
> Then it was 15 cents, then 20 cents, and last year it went to 25 cents and
> stayed there.
>
> So now, I can get a gallon of regular for 2.109, 89 or 90 octane for
> 2.359, or 93 octane for 2.609, except the Shell station wants 2.139 for
> regular and 2.7xx for premium.
>
>
> Does everybody have to pay 50 cents more than regular for premium?
>
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Is cheap, off-brand gas bad for engines?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Mobil seems to be the worst around here with a $0.60 spread between regular and 
premium. They actually change it at times to as much as $0.90. I have no idea 
what the motivation or reason is behind the change.

Dan

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> On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On July 9, 2016 at 3:21 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I stick with Top Tier fuels in my cars, typically Costco. Their fuel prices 
>> are competitive, especially since a lot of stations jack the price of 
>> premium to stupid amounts over regular unleaded.
>> 
> 
> Ok, how much does everybody pay for premium?
> 
> 10 years ago, every station around me charged 10 cents a grade, so 93 octane 
> cost 20 cents more than 87 octane. 
> 
> Then it was 15 cents, then 20 cents, and last year it went to 25 cents and 
> stayed there. 
> 
> So now, I can get a gallon of regular for 2.109, 89 or 90 octane for 2.359, 
> or 93 octane for 2.609, except the Shell station wants 2.139 for regular and 
> 2.7xx for premium. 
> 
> 
> 
> Does everybody have to pay 50 cents more than regular for premium?
> 
> 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Is cheap, off-brand gas bad for engines?

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

I paid $2.7x at Kum 'n Go last week, just before gas prices dropped 20c/gal
locally (dammit).

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> On July 9, 2016 at 3:21 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> I stick with Top Tier fuels in my cars, typically Costco. Their fuel
> prices are competitive, especially since a lot of stations jack the price
> of premium to stupid amounts over regular unleaded.
>
>
> Ok, how much does everybody pay for premium?
>
> 10 years ago, every station around me charged 10 cents a grade, so 93
> octane cost 20 cents more than 87 octane.
>
> Then it was 15 cents, then 20 cents, and last year it went to 25 cents and
> stayed there.
>
> So now, I can get a gallon of regular for 2.109, 89 or 90 octane for
> 2.359, or 93 octane for 2.609, except the Shell station wants 2.139 for
> regular and 2.7xx for premium.
>
>
> Does everybody have to pay 50 cents more than regular for premium?
>
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Is cheap, off-brand gas bad for engines?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On July 9, 2016 at 3:21 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:I stick with Top Tier fuels in my cars, typically Costco. Their fuel prices are competitive, especially since a lot of stations jack the price of premium to stupid amounts over regular unleaded.Ok, how much does everybody pay for premium?10 years ago, every station around me charged 10 cents a grade, so 93 octane cost 20 cents more than 87 octane. Then it was 15 cents, then 20 cents, and last year it went to 25 cents and stayed there. So now, I can get a gallon of regular for 2.109, 89 or 90 octane for 2.359, or 93 octane for 2.609, except the Shell station wants 2.139 for regular and 2.7xx for premium. Does everybody have to pay 50 cents more than regular for premium?Mitch.
 

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Re: [MBZ] Is cheap, off-brand gas bad for engines?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Mercedes and other major manufacturers recommend "Top Tier" fuels, which are 
marketed and sold by a number of fuel suppliers like Shell, BP and Costco.

http://www.toptiergas.com

>From what I can determine, the primary difference between "regular" fuels and 
>Top Tier fuels is the additive package. I know at our local fuel terminals, 
>pretty much all the fuels that come in are from the same supplier. You can see 
>the loaders putting additives in the tanker trucks at the terminals, so I have 
>to believe there is some credence to your article.

I stick with Top Tier fuels in my cars, typically Costco. Their fuel prices are 
competitive, especially since a lot of stations jack the price of premium to 
stupid amounts over regular unleaded.

Dan

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> On Jul 9, 2016, at 2:25 PM, jerryh--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> In an article from the June, 2016 issue of "The Family Handyman",  entitled 
> "10 Things You Should Know About Gasoline", author /"expert" Fred Walas, 
> fuels technology manager for Marathon Petroleum Company, a 34 year veteran in 
> the refinery business, whose current job includes work with the EPA, other 
> oil companies, and automobile manufacturers developing new fuel standards, 
> posits question number four:" Is a major-brand gas better then a lesser known 
> brand?" (I do believe that is the longest sentence I have ever typed). 
> 
> His answer is that  20 years ago, there was a difference between gas from the 
> majors and "cheap " gas from no-name stations. He claims that today the 
> biggest difference between gasoline brands is the type of fuel cleaning 
> additives used. He goes on to say that that the EPA mandates a minimal level 
> of fuel system cleaning additives and all gasoline sold in the U.S. must meet 
> those levels.
> 
> Although he does not specifically answer the posited question, the 
> implication is that there is no substantial difference between the majors and 
> off brands.
> 
> Now comes an article in "CNN Money" stating that AAA  claims  that "cheap 
> off-brand gasoline is bad for engines"  
> 
> http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/08/autos/aaa-cheap-gasoline/index.html?iid=ob_homepage_NewsAndBuzz_pool
> 
> At the risk of starting a "gas war", I'd like to hear from our M-B  
> community. Looking forward to lots of comments.
> 
> Jerry 
> 
> 1982 240D
> 
> other gasoline powered cars
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Is cheap, off-brand gas bad for engines?

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On July 9, 2016 at 2:43 PM "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes"  wrote:Do "off brand" gas stations even exist anymore? In my neck of the woods,pretty much all stations around here are with one chain or another, whetherit be Shell, Valero, Conoco, Kum n Go, Casey's, Murphy's, Wal-Mart... Andgas delivery trucks might stop at a Valero, then go top off the Kum N Godown the street!The gas might be all the same, but the additives are different, dispensed by the truck as it delivers to the underground tank at the station. The Speedway station might get 100ppm of Marathon's detergent, and Marathon might get 200ppm, while the Shell station gets 150ppm of something entirely different. Mitch. 
 

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Re: [MBZ] Is cheap, off-brand gas bad for engines?

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Do "off brand" gas stations even exist anymore?  In my neck of the woods,
pretty much all stations around here are with one chain or another, whether
it be Shell, Valero, Conoco, Kum n Go, Casey's, Murphy's, Wal-Mart...  And
gas delivery trucks might stop at a Valero, then go top off the Kum N Go
down the street!

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 1:25 PM, jerryh--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In an article from the June, 2016 issue of "The Family Handyman",
> entitled "10 Things You Should Know About Gasoline", author /"expert" Fred
> Walas, fuels technology manager for Marathon Petroleum Company, a 34 year
> veteran in the refinery business, whose current job includes work with the
> EPA, other oil companies, and automobile manufacturers developing new fuel
> standards, posits question number four:" Is a major-brand gas better then a
> lesser known brand?" (I do believe that is the longest sentence I have ever
> typed).
>
> His answer is that  20 years ago, there was a difference between gas from
> the majors and "cheap " gas from no-name stations. He claims that today the
> biggest difference between gasoline brands is the type of fuel cleaning
> additives used. He goes on to say that that the EPA mandates a minimal
> level of fuel system cleaning additives and all gasoline sold in the U.S.
> must meet those levels.
>
> Although he does not specifically answer the posited question, the
> implication is that there is no substantial difference between the majors
> and off brands.
>
> Now comes an article in "CNN Money" stating that AAA  claims  that "cheap
> off-brand gasoline is bad for engines"
>
>
> http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/08/autos/aaa-cheap-gasoline/index.html?iid=ob_homepage_NewsAndBuzz_pool
>
> At the risk of starting a "gas war", I'd like to hear from our M-B
> community. Looking forward to lots of comments.
>
> Jerry
>
> 1982 240D
>
> other gasoline powered cars
>
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[MBZ] Is cheap, off-brand gas bad for engines?

[jerryh--- via Mercedes]

In an article from the June, 2016 issue of "The Family Handyman",  entitled "10 
Things You Should Know About Gasoline", author /"expert" Fred Walas, fuels 
technology manager for Marathon Petroleum Company, a 34 year veteran in the 
refinery business, whose current job includes work with the EPA, other oil 
companies, and automobile manufacturers developing new fuel standards, posits 
question number four:" Is a major-brand gas better then a lesser known brand?" 
(I do believe that is the longest sentence I have ever typed). 

His answer is that  20 years ago, there was a difference between gas from the 
majors and "cheap " gas from no-name stations. He claims that today the biggest 
difference between gasoline brands is the type of fuel cleaning additives used. 
He goes on to say that that the EPA mandates a minimal level of fuel system 
cleaning additives and all gasoline sold in the U.S. must meet those levels.

Although he does not specifically answer the posited question, the implication 
is that there is no substantial difference between the majors and off brands.

Now comes an article in "CNN Money" stating that AAA  claims  that "cheap 
off-brand gasoline is bad for engines"  

http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/08/autos/aaa-cheap-gasoline/index.html?iid=ob_homepage_NewsAndBuzz_pool

At the risk of starting a "gas war", I'd like to hear from our M-B  community. 
Looking forward to lots of comments.

Jerry 

1982 240D

other gasoline powered cars


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Re: [MBZ] Dallas Shooting

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Or, an embedded ISIS training camp.. Latest release that came to my
attention details that he was NOI.. [Nation of Islam] which puts him in
Louis Farakhan's camp of violence against white people and cops, preaching.

Someone, some where, wound the guy up tight enough to go on a planned and
carefully executed murder spree, to his own death.. which fits the profile
of a shehad. He was not a lone shooter, also, so others were involved to
wind those people up.

For those who may not know: Shehad.. to die while killing the enemies of
islam is the only sure path to jenna [paradise described in islamic books.]

Shooting skills are easily learned with minimum practice.. What is not
easily learned is the willful act of drawing a sight picture on another
human and then killing that person, then repeating that act 12 times. That
particular "talent" set is NOT something learned at your local shooting
range. That requires the person to violate all taboos against such acts.
Thus, my belief the shooters were wound up tight by someone [s] before they
arrived to kill.

To paraphrase an old southern saying "I smell an Imam in the woodpile".
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Re: [MBZ] Don't see one of these every day...

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It would be more appropriate on a Shelby Cobra - - -

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> That is actually pretty cool.  Vinyl wrap I would guess.  Easily removable
>
> --JC
>
>
>
> On 7/9/16 8:44 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> A work of art.  $100K?
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 12:20 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/DVXArCk.jpg
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
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Re: [MBZ] Don't see one of these every day...

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

That is actually pretty cool.  Vinyl wrap I would guess.  Easily removable

--JC


On 7/9/16 8:44 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

A work of art.  $100K?

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 12:20 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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http://i.imgur.com/DVXArCk.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

They are quite durable, though molten metal can render them inop

--JC


On 7/9/16 8:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

I read that it cost $100K.  Disposable??

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
> wrote:


Cyberdyne Industries has a line of exceptionally capable robots

--JC



On 7/8/16 6:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Andrew,
Here is a representative sample of something perhaps like what
was used.
It is a disposable robot equipped with camera, sound, and
explosive device.
Operated by remote control of course.

A drone attack vehicle.. if you will.


http://fossbytes.com/china-just-made-anti-terror-robots-armed-with-guns-and-grenades/

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:

How does that robot explosive device work that was used to
kill him?
On Jul 8, 2016 4:12 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes"
>
wrote:

He said he had an IED and that there were lots of
others around. Turns

out

not to be true, but he could have had remote
detonators (cell phone,

etc.)

so the cops dealt with it and we won't hear any more
whining from him or
the useful idiots.

--JC


On 7/8/16 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send
robots to observe,
deliver tear gas, harass with loud music,
whatever. Bring a pizza within
sight and smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to
trade ammo for pizza.

However, I get your point. He was a serious threat
to police and white
people, and the police have the right to defend
themselves and a duty to
protect all people (black people included).

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Re: [MBZ] Dallas Shooting

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He had to be a sharpshooter to have killed so effectively.  Might have
trained at a shooting range?

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 7:31 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> On July 9, 2016 at 6:08 AM archer75--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> Concrete and masonry specialists undergo 10 weeks of basic combat
> training, where they are trained to use machine guns, among other weapons,
> according to Army recruiting materialssnip
>
>
> Everybody goes through Basic when they enlist. That was 7 years ago for
> Johnson.
>
> If that was his only experience with a rifle, I'd expect him to be less
> useful in combat than the average cop.
>
> It would be interesting to know if he did any actual fighting in
> Afghanistan.
>
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Don't see one of these every day...

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

A work of art.  $100K?

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 12:20 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> http://i.imgur.com/DVXArCk.jpg
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I read that it cost $100K.  Disposable??

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Cyberdyne Industries has a line of exceptionally capable robots
>
> --JC
>
>
>
> On 7/8/16 6:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>> Here is a representative sample of something perhaps like what was used.
>> It is a disposable robot equipped with camera, sound, and explosive
>> device.
>> Operated by remote control of course.
>>
>> A drone attack vehicle.. if you will.
>>
>>
>> http://fossbytes.com/china-just-made-anti-terror-robots-armed-with-guns-and-grenades/
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> How does that robot explosive device work that was used to kill him?
>>> On Jul 8, 2016 4:12 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" >> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> He said he had an IED and that there were lots of others around. Turns

>>> out
>>>
 not to be true, but he could have had remote detonators (cell phone,

>>> etc.)
>>>
 so the cops dealt with it and we won't hear any more whining from him or
 the useful idiots.

 --JC


 On 7/8/16 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

 I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send robots to observe,
> deliver tear gas, harass with loud music, whatever. Bring a pizza
> within
> sight and smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to trade ammo for
> pizza.
>
> However, I get your point. He was a serious threat to police and white
> people, and the police have the right to defend themselves and a duty
> to
> protect all people (black people included).
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] Dallas Shooting

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On July 9, 2016 at 6:08 AM archer75--- via Mercedes  wrote:Concrete and masonry specialists undergo 10 weeks of basic combat training, where they are trained to use machine guns, among other weapons, according to Army recruiting materialssnipEverybody goes through Basic when they enlist. That was 7 years ago for Johnson. If that was his only experience with a rifle, I'd expect him to be less useful in combat than the average cop. It would be interesting to know if he did any actual fighting in Afghanistan. Mitch.
 

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[MBZ] Dallas Shooting

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A man accused of shooting indiscriminately at passing cars and police on a 
Tennessee highway told investigators he was angry about police violence against 
African Americans, authorities said Friday.

Dallas shooter obviously had a well-planned strategy, and his tactics were 
surprisingly good, especially in the way he dealt with a cop taking cover 
behind a concrete pillar. It showed how inadequate our police still are in 
dealing with somebody who really wants to kill them. I have no problem 
admitting that he could have taken me out with ease. SWAT managed to pin him 
down, but not before he shot a dozen cops, and they finally had to resort to 
the equivalent of a robot delivered grenade to blow him into the afterlife. 
Hard to believe he was a reservist/carpenter in the military, I saw the video 
and assumed he was a veteran fighter from the sandbox. 

The bozo in Tennessee was just an idiot with a gun shooting at anything that 
moved. Our police are more than capable of dealing with idiots who don't know 
what they're doing. 

Mitch.
~ 

U.S. officials confirmed that Mr. Johnson was in the U.S. Army Reserve from 
March 2009 to April 2015, when he left active duty and was honorably separated 
from the reserve. He served in Afghanistan from November 2013 through July 2014.

Mr. Johnson held the rank of private first class, officials said. He was a 
carpentry and masonry specialist who served with an Army Reserve company in 
Seagoville, Texas, which was part of the 420th Engineer Brigade based in the 
Texas city of Bryan.

Concrete and masonry specialists undergo 10 weeks of basic combat training, 
where they are trained to use machine guns, among other weapons, according to 
Army recruiting materialssnip

http://www.wsj.com/articles/dallas-shooting-suspect-targeted-white-officers-was-killed-when-officials-detonated-bomb-1467982329
 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[G Mann via Mercedes]

No Andrew.

BATFE, Bureau of Alcohol Tobbacco Firearms & Explosives controls
manufacture and sale of such items as explosive grenades and full automatic
weapons.

If you owned one as a civilian and were properly licensed by BATFE to own
the device, with all the explosive devices to make it work, you would make
application now,,, and perhaps get the license in 5 years, or that hell has
frozen solid,  after having proved you were a responsible citizen, with a
Yuue bank account.

BATFE.. should be a convenience store instead of a government agency..
;)


On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Are they available for civilians?
> On Jul 8, 2016 6:14 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
>
> > Cyberdyne Industries has a line of exceptionally capable robots
> >
> > --JC
> >
> >
> > On 7/8/16 6:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew,
> >> Here is a representative sample of something perhaps like what was used.
> >> It is a disposable robot equipped with camera, sound, and explosive
> >> device.
> >> Operated by remote control of course.
> >>
> >> A drone attack vehicle.. if you will.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://fossbytes.com/china-just-made-anti-terror-robots-armed-with-guns-and-grenades/
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> How does that robot explosive device work that was used to kill him?
> >>> On Jul 8, 2016 4:12 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >>> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> He said he had an IED and that there were lots of others around. Turns
> 
> >>> out
> >>>
>  not to be true, but he could have had remote detonators (cell phone,
> 
> >>> etc.)
> >>>
>  so the cops dealt with it and we won't hear any more whining from him
> or
>  the useful idiots.
> 
>  --JC
> 
> 
>  On 7/8/16 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>  I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send robots to observe,
> > deliver tear gas, harass with loud music, whatever. Bring a pizza
> > within
> > sight and smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to trade ammo for
> > pizza.
> >
> > However, I get your point. He was a serious threat to police and
> white
> > people, and the police have the right to defend themselves and a duty
> > to
> > protect all people (black people included).
> >
> > --
>  --BB
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