Re: [MBZ] OT 1994 e420 woes BgifnQluCm

[clay via Mercedes]

A steam clean will really make it look like new and expose just where there may 
be seeping leaks.  

I am going to spiff up the aluminum bits as I have to remove them.  Putting a 
polish on the M117 valve covers was interesting, but the OM603 will not need 
the mirror finish, just a bit of spit shine.

clay


> On Sep 11, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I always figured  a thin coat of dieselfuel/oil preserved things in the
> engine compartment.  But I never had show cars.  On the OM636, OM621,
> OM615, OM616/7 and OM603/2/1 engines I don't think you'd hurt much.  On
> the OM606 on, with all the electronics, it is probably not advisable to
> hose down the engine; certainly pressure washers on those engines.
> 
> 
> 
>> Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
>> September 10, 2016 at 4:54 AM
>> This brings up an interesting question; is it wise to do a detail on a M.B. 
>> Diesel engine?
>> Ralph
>> 
>> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> MAFs aren’t bad, but they can be tough to source.
>> 
>> Mercedes has rebuilt ones - the one for this car is about $370.00 reman, new 
>> $463.36.  New ones are tough to coe by, but the remans are usually in stock.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
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>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> September 10, 2016 at 4:45 AM
>> MAFs aren’t bad, but they can be tough to source.
>> 
>> Mercedes has rebuilt ones - the one for this car is about $370.00 reman, new 
>> $463.36. New ones are tough to coe by, but the remans are usually in stock.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> September 10, 2016 at 4:32 AM
>> If the “detailer” used silicone based products on or around the engine 
>> compartment, they borked your MAF. If silicone gets on the sensing parts of 
>> the MAF, it kills them. This is well known and documented.
>> 
>> Lift the hood and see if you’ve got a shiny engine.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>> September 9, 2016 at 9:50 PM
>> So I bought that low miles 1994 e420 from Jeremy and Co up in SF. Figured I
>> need the car and they said it drove well and was in good shape, and that's
>> about all I need in a 420. Paid and they sent the car.
>> 
>> It arrived yesterday. Started, backed off trailer fine. It was about 8am so
>> I hopped in it and attempted to drive to work. Unfortunately, it would rev
>> to about 1500rpm and stall, and repeat the sequence about every second or
>> so. It idles as smooth as silk, just won't throttle up. No lights on the
>> dash. Never got out of first gear or above 20mph. Not good news! Called tow
>> truck, then Lyft.
>> 
>> Herbert the German mechanic says the fault code is either the throttle body
>> actuator or the computer that controls it. He says the throttle body is not
>> opening properly in response to pedal input. He asks if there has ever been
>> water on the engine. I say not to my knowledge. He is still sorting out
>> what exactly is failing. Either one is a spendy item apparently; 1500 for
>> the actuator and lord knows if a computer would even be available. Herbert
>> himself isn't cheap either, but he knows mercedes.
>> 
>> So I got Jeremy on the phone and relayed this info. He apparently drove it
>> for several days and to the smog place before listing it, and it was
>> completely fine including the dyno test at smog. He says they did detail
>> the engine after that though.
>> 
>> So here is the question: what stuff typically gets messed up when you wash
>> an e420 motor that can cause this sort of thing? I am still hoping for an
>> outside chance of something simple, and I figured I would see if there is
>> any collective wisdom on this topic.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Karl
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Re: [MBZ] Cell phone companies aUQFp34IH4

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Try these websites, or enter "how to find lost android cellphone" in a search 
engine.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+to+find+lost+android+cell+phone&pc=MOZI&form=MOZSPG

~
> I just lost my T-Mobile android phone today in downtown DC!  Dropped it (I
> guess) on the way to Foggy Bottom subway station.  When I dial it the
> number rings but no pickup.  I retraced my steps twice to see if it was
> lying around on the ground or in some bushes - no luck.  I assume that
> it's  in someone else's hands but has not been dialed since its
> disappearance.  I am totally helpless without it.  Sent several text
> messages offering a reward for its return.
> 
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Arrgh, the magic code has gotten me too...
> >
> >
> >   From: Curt Raymond 
> >  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >  Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:48 AM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cell phone companies
> >
> > I've had Republic for 2 years. I just updated to a MotoX 3rd gen when my
> > 1st gen MotoX died.The new GSM phones like mine use a different carrier.
> > They won't tell you who but allude to it being AT&T. The service is a
> > little better than the Sprint but nothing to write home about. The phone
> > irritates me some because it'll say "no service" switch to airplane mode
> > and back and you've got service again. It'll be interesting to see if its
> > got service at camp, the old phone had none. Sprint service ends about
> > halfway up Maine, AT&T claims to have service there and Angie's old AT&T
> > phone worked fine.
> > For the price (I pay about $30 on the new plan, Angie spends about $17 on
> > an old Refund plan) its fine, adequate but nothing outstanding. If it gets
> > any worse or more expensive I'll jump ship. I very nearly did when I
> > couldn't figure out how to change my Republic number to the new Republic
> > phone and ended up having to ship the new phone back and get a replacement.
> > Worse the phone somehow got damaged to the tune of $125. I don't know how
> > its possible since it never left the house and the new-new phone is still
> > in perfect shape a month later. I made them send a picture which does show
> > damage but I'm pretty sure it wasn't there when the phone left my
> > possession.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >   From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
> >  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
> > Cc: Scott Ritchey 
> >  Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 2:48 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cell phone companies
> >
> > I just started testing out Republic wireless (before I switch my number).
> > I
> > live in a rural area. Alltel was OK until after Verizon bought them out.
> > Now it's 0-1 bar at my home.
> > Republic uses WiFi as primary (when available) and switches to and cell
> > (Sprint network, I think) if no WiFi.  I have good WiFi and Internet at my
> > house (typically 30-50 MBPS).  As I recall, it's $20/mo (plus tax)
> > including
> > 1 G cell data (WiFi data doesn't count against monthly data).  There is no
> > limit on voice or text on any plan. More monthly data is more $$.
> > The catch is that I had to but an approved smart phone (I am still a flip
> > phone guy) and learn to use it.  I bought a Moto G4 from Amazon ($150 with
> > ads).  This phone seems compatible with (almost) all networks (with the
> > right SIM card) so it may be useful even if Republic doesn't pan out.  I
> > just started this process yesterday but so far it works great.  Learning
> > how
> > to use all the phone features and settings will take some time.
> > Scott
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:27 AM
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cell phone companies
> > >
> > > I am glad to hear the coverage is good. That is my main concern.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Sep 9, 2016, at 11:16 PM, hursley--- via Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I had been using T-Mobile for past 3 years. My plan was the Simple
> > > > choice plan for 3 lines 1G of data per line, unlimited text and calls.
> > > > There are some spots where I cannot get signal. Other than that, I
> > > > have no issue. My plan do not have the contract.
> > > >
> > > > Yesterday, I change to T-Mobile ONE plan with no contract where all
> > > > 3 lines have unlimited data, text and calls for additional $50. And
> > > > today, I pre-order the iPhone 7 plus from T and had to pay additional
> > > > $12 for the "accidents insurance".
> > > >
> > > > Customer service was great as I was talking to someone who is able to
> > > > help me. Talks to them about 4 times in the past. The first was to
> > > > activate the 3rd line located 2000 miles away and to get service
> > > > connected. The second was to clar

[MBZ] Silk purse casting pearls before swine ears

[clay via Mercedes]

I have been learning much about how to paint a car with rattle cans.  If not 
for mistakes, it would be on the road and snazzy, but …..

Past week has been speny with glaze, heavy primer, light sandable primer, rust 
reformer, 2 in 1 white, el cheapo white, and more.  So far I am one coat in on 
the roof, final coat on the hood and trunk, one coat on the door tops, screwed 
up the door bottoms and had to scrape and redo primer, front fenders have had 
primer sanded off because the pox did not fix with heavy sandable primer or 
glaze and now is down to original primer or metal.

Rust fix is not proper or complete.  Had to remove cladding to get at some of 
it, but only took it to bare metal and then Rust reformer and waiting for that 
to flash so I can primer.  Passenger fender by the headlight has actual clear 
coat persisting and some minor rust that will require wire wheel and removal of 
the bumper (which needs renovation) to make good.  Back bumper is in need of 
refurbish as well.  The driver side rear quarter has a beer can size rusted out 
bit that will want bumper removed to repair.  I hope to find a PnP replacement 
panel to take to a shop so they can weld it in and do the bondo bit.

There is new rubber on the road side, and I have had it up on ramps front and 
rear so I can scrape and scrub the thick gunk and mire from metal parts.  I 
should be able to access the Diff for making fresh 90 weight to go in.  That 
will then want to get rust reformed and a fresh few coats of paint to deter 
more rust happening.  Front end will want a steam clean to really make the 
baked on oil go away.

I just got my period correct plates, so can now get her registered as a 
collector car.  No more annual payment to keep her on the road.  With plate on 
and the trunk/hood given the 1500-4000 grit sanding, then buffing, I can take 
her for an Italian tune up.  Then it will be back on the ramps and wrapping all 
the “finish” paint in plastic so I can complete the rest of the body.


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] OT 1994 e420 woes BgifnQluCm

[clay via Mercedes]

I have a MAF that I scrounged off a E320 (W124)  Might that be of use?  I can 
ship it if needed.  Looks to be in great shape with very clean wires and such

clay

> On Sep 10, 2016, at 2:45 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> MAFs aren’t bad, but they can be tough to source.
> 
> Mercedes has rebuilt ones - the one for this car is about $370.00 reman, new 
> $463.36.  New ones are tough to coe by, but the remans are usually in stock.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 5:32 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If the “detailer” used silicone based products on or around the engine 
>> compartment, they borked your MAF.  If silicone gets on the sensing parts of 
>> the MAF, it kills them.  This is well known and documented.
>> 
>> Lift the hood and see if you’ve got a shiny engine.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 10:50 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So I bought that low miles 1994 e420 from Jeremy and Co up in SF. Figured I
>>> need the car and they said it drove well and was in good shape, and that's
>>> about all I need in a 420. Paid and they sent the car.
>>> 
>>> It arrived yesterday. Started, backed off trailer fine. It was about 8am so
>>> I hopped in it and attempted to drive to work. Unfortunately, it would rev
>>> to about 1500rpm and stall, and repeat the sequence about every second or
>>> so. It idles as smooth as silk, just won't throttle up. No lights on the
>>> dash. Never got out of first gear or above 20mph. Not good news! Called tow
>>> truck, then Lyft.
>>> 
>>> Herbert the German mechanic says the fault code is either the throttle body
>>> actuator or the computer that controls it. He says the throttle body is not
>>> opening properly in response to pedal input. He asks if there has ever been
>>> water on the engine. I say not to my knowledge. He is still sorting out
>>> what exactly is failing. Either one is a spendy item apparently; 1500 for
>>> the actuator and lord knows if a computer would even be available. Herbert
>>> himself isn't cheap either, but he knows mercedes.
>>> 
>>> So I got Jeremy on the phone and relayed this info. He apparently drove it
>>> for several days and to the smog place before listing it, and it was
>>> completely fine including the dyno test at smog. He says they did detail
>>> the engine after that though.
>>> 
>>> So here is the question: what stuff typically gets messed up when you wash
>>> an e420 motor that can cause this sort of thing? I am still hoping for an
>>> outside chance of something simple, and I figured I would see if there is
>>> any collective wisdom on this topic.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karl
>>> ___
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Re: [MBZ] Cell phone companies

[clay via Mercedes]

I had them when I was trying to get the POS SDL home, oh so long ago.  There 
was crap for coverage in OKC and Guthrie, but it did work.   SWMBA made me 
switch to Verizon so calls would not drop when I was so far from home.   I no 
longer travel in the boonies and T Mobile may have become much better

clay

> On Sep 9, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looking to switch cell phone companies.  Looked at T-Mobile. Anybody have any 
> experience with them?
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Delay)

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Some yes, some no.  The iPhone 4S had both radios in it, IIRC.  But later
ones again do not.  The two systems are totally incompatible, that is
true.  But nothing technical stops you from putting both radios into a
device.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I don't think this is true now.  The Moto G4 I just bought handles CDMA or
> GSM, depending on the SIM card.  User reviews on Amazon confirms this.
> Network specs:
> CDMA: 1900 MHz
> GSM:850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
> UMTS: 850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz
> LTE (FDD): Bands 12, 13, 5, 26, 8, 4, 3, 2, 25, 1, 7
> LTE (TDD): Bands 41
> Data: LTE Cat 4 (150/50 Mbit/s), HSPA, UMTS
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From:  archer75--- via Mercedes
> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:18 PM
> >
> > Two basic technologies in mobile phones, CDMA and GSM represent a gap
> > you can't cross. They're the reason you can't use many AT&T phones on
> > Verizon's network and vice versa...snip
> >
> > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407896,00.asp
> >
> >
> > ~
> > "Kaleb wrote:
> > > If it has a sim don't you just switch the sim to the new carrier?
> >
> > > > They probably can.  I’ll buy a “SIM free” phone, however, meaning
> it’s not
> > tied to any carrier.  If Apple wants to activate it for me, fine, if
> not, I’ll go to
> > the Verizon store that’s about a mile away.  I already checked with them
> and
> > they’ll provide the SIM for free.
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> >
> > > >> I think the Apple store can activate your phone on V --FT
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> On 9/10/16 10:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > > >>> Four of the five phones I have on our Verizon contract are
> purchased or
> > out of contract phones. That makes them cost $15/month on our plan.
> While
> > you can buy new phones from them with the cost divided up over two years
> > and no interest, why?  Buy a previous model used or refurbed and have it
> > activated.  Verizon doesn’t charge for it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> My iPhone 4S is crapping out because I dropped it a couple of days
> ago.
> > The digitizer (screen) is wonky in one area and can’t discriminate the
> touches,
> > so things get all goofy when I try to use the on screen keyboard.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I recycled an iPhone 4 a while back and got a $100 Apple Store
> credit.
> > My wonky iPhone is worth $50 to them as a recycled phone.  I’ll buy an
> > unlocked 5SE on Monday and it will end up costing me $250.  I’ll go
> right to
> > Verizon from the Apple Store and get it activated.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Dan
> >
> > ---
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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Welding thoroughly oil-soaked metal is difficult.  It gets into the pores
and ruins the weld.  How big is the hole?  Could it be drilled and tapped,
and a JB-Weld-soaked screw run into it?

-- Jim
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[MBZ] Oil pan weld

[clay via Mercedes]

The SDL, after a bunch of cleaning has a messed up oil pan.  I think it is 
aluminum, and the PO seems to have damaged it a bit such that it leaks through 
the hole that got made.  An epoxy patch has been applied that is now weeping.  
A new pan is around $400, I could maybe scrounge a OM603 pan if I got lucky one 
day, but I wondered if this could be repaired in a welding manner?  I am not 
going to attempt this myself, as I suck with the MIG.

Would replacing the pan require engine removal?   I would prefer not doing 
that, and if there is a way to not have weepy epoxy that would be best.


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Supplier for new fuel tank, 89 E320

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Ummm...  MB stealer?

Otherwise, there are places that clean and coat tanks.  or wash it out 
with a pressure washer, dry, install, and carry a spare fuel filter.


We had a truck (Benzin)  that was underwater in the flood of 1973.  we 
carried a spare fuel filter and changed it as needed.  It never plugged 
for me, but often after I parked it it would not run for anyone else.  
It liked me.



G Mann via Mercedes 
September 11, 2016 at 10:21 PM
Have a friend who needs a new fuel tank for his 1989 E320.
He bought the car, it had been setting while the previous owner lived out
the last 5 years of his life. The fuel tank gathered moisture and stale
fuel [ethanol blend] so the tank is a rusty mess.. he has it out, now
looking for a source for a new fuel tank.

Anyone here have a source.. or a truly good used one with no rust
internally?
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Delay)

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I don't think this is true now.  The Moto G4 I just bought handles CDMA or GSM, 
depending on the SIM card.  User reviews on Amazon confirms this.  
Network specs: 
CDMA: 1900 MHz
GSM:850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
UMTS: 850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz
LTE (FDD): Bands 12, 13, 5, 26, 8, 4, 3, 2, 25, 1, 7
LTE (TDD): Bands 41
Data: LTE Cat 4 (150/50 Mbit/s), HSPA, UMTS


> -Original Message-
> From:  archer75--- via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:18 PM
> 
> Two basic technologies in mobile phones, CDMA and GSM represent a gap
> you can't cross. They're the reason you can't use many AT&T phones on
> Verizon's network and vice versa...snip
> 
> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407896,00.asp
> 
> 
> ~
> "Kaleb wrote:
> > If it has a sim don't you just switch the sim to the new carrier?
> 
> > > They probably can.  I’ll buy a “SIM free” phone, however, meaning it’s not
> tied to any carrier.  If Apple wants to activate it for me, fine, if not, 
> I’ll go to
> the Verizon store that’s about a mile away.  I already checked with them and
> they’ll provide the SIM for free.
> > >
> > > Dan
> 
> > >> I think the Apple store can activate your phone on V --FT
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On 9/10/16 10:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>> Four of the five phones I have on our Verizon contract are purchased or
> out of contract phones. That makes them cost $15/month on our plan.  While
> you can buy new phones from them with the cost divided up over two years
> and no interest, why?  Buy a previous model used or refurbed and have it
> activated.  Verizon doesn’t charge for it.
> > >>>
> > >>> My iPhone 4S is crapping out because I dropped it a couple of days ago.
> The digitizer (screen) is wonky in one area and can’t discriminate the 
> touches,
> so things get all goofy when I try to use the on screen keyboard.
> > >>>
> > >>> I recycled an iPhone 4 a while back and got a $100 Apple Store credit.
> My wonky iPhone is worth $50 to them as a recycled phone.  I’ll buy an
> unlocked 5SE on Monday and it will end up costing me $250.  I’ll go right to
> Verizon from the Apple Store and get it activated.
> > >>>
> > >>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Dead Hillary Humor AjYfRMNHvq

[G Mann via Mercedes]

To soon?

Hey.. Hillary is making preparations for her funeral.. she has already
written the perfect epitaph.

"What difference does it make now"

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> http://i.imgur.com/pBqXZZG.jpg
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[MBZ] Dead Hillary Humor AjYfRMNHvq

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[MBZ] Supplier for new fuel tank, 89 E320

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Have a friend who needs a new fuel tank for his 1989 E320.
He bought the car, it had been setting while the previous owner lived out
the last 5 years of his life. The fuel tank gathered moisture and stale
fuel [ethanol blend] so the tank is a rusty mess.. he has it out, now
looking for a source for a new fuel tank.

Anyone here have a source.. or a truly good used one with no rust
internally?
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Speaking of Mercedes AaIFonwCeY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AvIFpXtG7i !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Price of shipping?  I've already taken off the good solenoid.  I really doubt 
this is worth more than the scrap metal value.  
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 11, 2016 10:06:46 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>#1 Daughter has a 603 starter in MS that needs repair.  its casting and
>
>WIlton's old motor should make a good un.  How much fer the busted
>starter?
>
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> September 11, 2016 at 8:10 PM
>> Yes just a new rt arm, which might be the same as the left arm, looks
>
>> like it just bolts into the block.  Probably would want to do both,
>no 
>> telling what stress cracks might be in the other one that sheared off
>
>> the bolt mount part of the other mount.  And a new starter fer sure, 
>> the old one is scrap though if the motor can be detached from the
>gear 
>> part it might work OK.  Max was saying it is difficult to just find 
>> the starter bits though, you gotta get the whole thing.  Time to hit 
>> the knackers.
>>
>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Delay)

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Two basic technologies in mobile phones, CDMA and GSM represent a gap you can't 
cross. They're the reason you can't use many AT&T phones on Verizon's network 
and vice versa...snip

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407896,00.asp


~
"Kaleb wrote:
> If it has a sim don't you just switch the sim to the new carrier?

> > They probably can.  I’ll buy a “SIM free” phone, however, meaning it’s not 
> > tied to any carrier.  If Apple wants to activate it for me, fine, if not, 
> > I’ll go to the Verizon store that’s about a mile away.  I already checked 
> > with them and they’ll provide the SIM for free.
> > 
> > Dan

> >> I think the Apple store can activate your phone on V
> >> --FT
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 9/10/16 10:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Four of the five phones I have on our Verizon contract are purchased or 
> >>> out of contract phones. That makes them cost $15/month on our plan.  
> >>> While you can buy new phones from them with the cost divided up over two 
> >>> years and no interest, why?  Buy a previous model used or refurbed and 
> >>> have it activated.  Verizon doesn’t charge for it.
> >>> 
> >>> My iPhone 4S is crapping out because I dropped it a couple of days ago.  
> >>> The digitizer (screen) is wonky in one area and can’t discriminate the 
> >>> touches, so things get all goofy when I try to use the on screen keyboard.
> >>> 
> >>> I recycled an iPhone 4 a while back and got a $100 Apple Store credit.  
> >>> My wonky iPhone is worth $50 to them as a recycled phone.  I’ll buy an 
> >>> unlocked 5SE on Monday and it will end up costing me $250.  I’ll go right 
> >>> to Verizon from the Apple Store and get it activated.
> >>> 
> >>> Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Speaking of Mercedes AaIFonwCeY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AvIFpXtG7i !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

#1 Daughter has a 603 starter in MS that needs repair.  its casting and 
WIlton's old motor should make a good un.  How much fer the busted starter?



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
September 11, 2016 at 8:10 PM
Yes just a new rt arm, which might be the same as the left arm, looks 
like it just bolts into the block.  Probably would want to do both, no 
telling what stress cracks might be in the other one that sheared off 
the bolt mount part of the other mount.  And a new starter fer sure, 
the old one is scrap though if the motor can be detached from the gear 
part it might work OK.  Max was saying it is difficult to just find 
the starter bits though, you gotta get the whole thing.  Time to hit 
the knackers.


--R


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Re: [MBZ] Cell phone companies aUQFp34IH4

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Well, now it's either turned off or discharged.  I'm beginning to suspect
that it's sitting in the weeds so I will undertake a rescue mission early
tomorrow AM.  Wish me luck.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> You mean it is not as sophisticated as an Iphone 4?  4 and newer, and
> maybe older, have a locate feature.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> September 11, 2016 at 7:42 PM
>> I just lost my T-Mobile android phone today in downtown DC! Dropped it (I
>> guess) on the way to Foggy Bottom subway station. When I dial it the
>> number rings but no pickup. I retraced my steps twice to see if it was
>> lying around on the ground or in some bushes - no luck. I assume that
>> it's in someone else's hands but has not been dialed since its
>> disappearance. I am totally helpless without it. Sent several text
>> messages offering a reward for its return.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Cell phone companies aUQFp34IH4

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You mean it is not as sophisticated as an Iphone 4?  4 and newer, and 
maybe older, have a locate feature.



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
September 11, 2016 at 7:42 PM
I just lost my T-Mobile android phone today in downtown DC! Dropped it (I
guess) on the way to Foggy Bottom subway station. When I dial it the
number rings but no pickup. I retraced my steps twice to see if it was
lying around on the ground or in some bushes - no luck. I assume that
it's in someone else's hands but has not been dialed since its
disappearance. I am totally helpless without it. Sent several text
messages offering a reward for its return.


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Re: [MBZ] OT our presidential candidate does not appear to be well

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

without a doubt

--FT


On 9/11/16 8:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Pneumonia.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I call bull hoya on this: "She said: 'Secretary Clinton has been
experiencing a cough related to allergies."   THis fat braod has access to
the best medicos in the world.  Allergies are a know quantity and CAN be
controlled.  IF her constant hacking was caused by allergies, they WOULD BE
controlled.  The constant hacking indicates a serious problem in addition
to the parkinsons or whatever neurological disease causes the
uncontrollable head flopping and whatever causes these blackouts.
\
I did not read any further on the propaganda piece.   The H=> (road to
hell) campaign is based on ''feel sorry fer me!  Voter fer me 'cuz ah put
up wit slickwiilie wit da loose willie"


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
September 11, 2016 at 12:16 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3784098/Hillary-Clin
ton-rushed-9-11-memorial-service-following-medical-episode.html




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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Speaking of Mercedes AaIFonwCeY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AvIFpXtG7i !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yes just a new rt arm, which might be the same as the left arm, looks 
like it just bolts into the block.  Probably would want to do both, no 
telling what stress cracks might be in the other one that sheared off 
the bolt mount part of the other mount.  And a new starter fer sure, the 
old one is scrap though if the motor can be detached from the gear part 
it might work OK.  Max was saying it is difficult to just find the 
starter bits though, you gotta get the whole thing.  Time to hit the 
knackers.


--R


On 9/11/16 7:50 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:


- Original Message - From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:48 PM
Subject: Speaking of Mercedes AaIFonwCeY 


Can the cracked arm/mounting area be repaired to properly secure the 
engine? I've been afraid that there might some damage to those areas.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Max Dillon" 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Speaking of Mercedes AaIFonwCeY 



It did, but with broken engine mounts, not so quiet...

Installed in a new home, properly mounted, I'm sure it will be 
smooth again.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 11, 2016 5:46:21 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
 wrote:


- Original Message - From: "WILTON" 
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Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speaking of Mercedes



BTW, re. klata-klata of the wrecked 124:  That engine has a nice,

soothing

klata - not nearly as pronounced as 123's.

Wilt




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[MBZ] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

TEST FAIL

--FT



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Window Switch Q
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Yes.  Make sure you dissemble (disassemble) in a little bag otherwise
all the springs and bits will go flying

--FT


On 9/8/16 12:19 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Fixin' to fix the window actuator switches in my W123 sedan. Should I lubricate 
the balls and springs with a dab of silicon grease?

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 1968 mercedes diesal 190 SL

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

$500 if you throw in the mixer

--FT


On 9/11/16 5:26 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Eedjit.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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Subject: 1968 mercedes diesal 190 SL




1968 mercedes diesal 190 SL

http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/5776295521.html
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of Mercedes

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah I am kinda sore too.  Woke up at 6 to answer the call, thought, 
well, I'll get another hour or so in the sack  wake up and it's 
11:15!  Latest I've been in bed in a long time!


Too much knackering for us old guys!

--FT


On 9/11/16 4:06 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks for posting that Rich, too busy with other issues to send that.  Post 
some pix!  I've got to put the video of the engine starting and running on 
YouTube and share the link.

Wow I am sore today!  Going to put the starter back into the White Whale in a 
little bit here...


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Re: [MBZ] OT our presidential candidate does not appear to be well

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Pneumonia.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I call bull hoya on this: "She said: 'Secretary Clinton has been
> experiencing a cough related to allergies."   THis fat braod has access to
> the best medicos in the world.  Allergies are a know quantity and CAN be
> controlled.  IF her constant hacking was caused by allergies, they WOULD BE
> controlled.  The constant hacking indicates a serious problem in addition
> to the parkinsons or whatever neurological disease causes the
> uncontrollable head flopping and whatever causes these blackouts.
> \
> I did not read any further on the propaganda piece.   The H=> (road to
> hell) campaign is based on ''feel sorry fer me!  Voter fer me 'cuz ah put
> up wit slickwiilie wit da loose willie"
>
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> September 11, 2016 at 12:16 PM
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3784098/Hillary-Clin
>> ton-rushed-9-11-memorial-service-following-medical-episode.html
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT 1994 e420 woes BgifnQluCm

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Engine compartment is 45 percent of concours judging score sheet.  If you
want to win you need a clean engine.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I always figured  a thin coat of dieselfuel/oil preserved things in the
> engine compartment.  But I never had show cars.  On the OM636, OM621,
> OM615, OM616/7 and OM603/2/1 engines I don't think you'd hurt much.  On
> the OM606 on, with all the electronics, it is probably not advisable to
> hose down the engine; certainly pressure washers on those engines.
>
>
>
> Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
>> September 10, 2016 at 4:54 AM
>> This brings up an interesting question; is it wise to do a detail on a
>> M.B. Diesel engine?
>> Ralph
>>
>> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> MAFs aren’t bad, but they can be tough to source.
>>
>> Mercedes has rebuilt ones - the one for this car is about $370.00 reman,
>> new $463.36.  New ones are tough to coe by, but the remans are usually in
>> stock.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
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>> September 10, 2016 at 4:45 AM
>> MAFs aren’t bad, but they can be tough to source.
>>
>> Mercedes has rebuilt ones - the one for this car is about $370.00 reman,
>> new $463.36. New ones are tough to coe by, but the remans are usually in
>> stock.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
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>> September 10, 2016 at 4:32 AM
>> If the “detailer† used silicone based products on or around the
>> engine compartment, they borked your MAF. If silicone gets on the sensing
>> parts of the MAF, it kills them. This is well known and documented.
>>
>> Lift the hood and see if you’ve got a shiny engine.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
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>> September 9, 2016 at 9:50 PM
>> So I bought that low miles 1994 e420 from Jeremy and Co up in SF. Figured
>> I
>> need the car and they said it drove well and was in good shape, and that's
>> about all I need in a 420. Paid and they sent the car.
>>
>> It arrived yesterday. Started, backed off trailer fine. It was about 8am
>> so
>> I hopped in it and attempted to drive to work. Unfortunately, it would rev
>> to about 1500rpm and stall, and repeat the sequence about every second or
>> so. It idles as smooth as silk, just won't throttle up. No lights on the
>> dash. Never got out of first gear or above 20mph. Not good news! Called
>> tow
>> truck, then Lyft.
>>
>> Herbert the German mechanic says the fault code is either the throttle
>> body
>> actuator or the computer that controls it. He says the throttle body is
>> not
>> opening properly in response to pedal input. He asks if there has ever
>> been
>> water on the engine. I say not to my knowledge. He is still sorting out
>> what exactly is failing. Either one is a spendy item apparently; 1500 for
>> the actuator and lord knows if a computer would even be available. Herbert
>> himself isn't cheap either, but he knows mercedes.
>>
>> So I got Jeremy on the phone and relayed this info. He apparently drove it
>> for several days and to the smog place before listing it, and it was
>> completely fine including the dyno test at smog. He says they did detail
>> the engine after that though.
>>
>> So here is the question: what stuff typically gets messed up when you wash
>> an e420 motor that can cause this sort of thing? I am still hoping for an
>> outside chance of something simple, and I figured I would see if there is
>> any collective wisdom on this topic.
>>
>> Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] Cell phone companies aUQFp34IH4

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I just lost my T-Mobile android phone today in downtown DC!  Dropped it (I
guess) on the way to Foggy Bottom subway station.  When I dial it the
number rings but no pickup.  I retraced my steps twice to see if it was
lying around on the ground or in some bushes - no luck.  I assume that
it's  in someone else's hands but has not been dialed since its
disappearance.  I am totally helpless without it.  Sent several text
messages offering a reward for its return.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Arrgh, the magic code has gotten me too...
>
>
>   From: Curt Raymond 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>  Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:48 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cell phone companies
>
> I've had Republic for 2 years. I just updated to a MotoX 3rd gen when my
> 1st gen MotoX died.The new GSM phones like mine use a different carrier.
> They won't tell you who but allude to it being AT&T. The service is a
> little better than the Sprint but nothing to write home about. The phone
> irritates me some because it'll say "no service" switch to airplane mode
> and back and you've got service again. It'll be interesting to see if its
> got service at camp, the old phone had none. Sprint service ends about
> halfway up Maine, AT&T claims to have service there and Angie's old AT&T
> phone worked fine.
> For the price (I pay about $30 on the new plan, Angie spends about $17 on
> an old Refund plan) its fine, adequate but nothing outstanding. If it gets
> any worse or more expensive I'll jump ship. I very nearly did when I
> couldn't figure out how to change my Republic number to the new Republic
> phone and ended up having to ship the new phone back and get a replacement.
> Worse the phone somehow got damaged to the tune of $125. I don't know how
> its possible since it never left the house and the new-new phone is still
> in perfect shape a month later. I made them send a picture which does show
> damage but I'm pretty sure it wasn't there when the phone left my
> possession.
>
> -Curt
>
>
>   From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
> Cc: Scott Ritchey 
>  Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 2:48 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cell phone companies
>
> I just started testing out Republic wireless (before I switch my number).
> I
> live in a rural area. Alltel was OK until after Verizon bought them out.
> Now it's 0-1 bar at my home.
> Republic uses WiFi as primary (when available) and switches to and cell
> (Sprint network, I think) if no WiFi.  I have good WiFi and Internet at my
> house (typically 30-50 MBPS).  As I recall, it's $20/mo (plus tax)
> including
> 1 G cell data (WiFi data doesn't count against monthly data).  There is no
> limit on voice or text on any plan. More monthly data is more $$.
> The catch is that I had to but an approved smart phone (I am still a flip
> phone guy) and learn to use it.  I bought a Moto G4 from Amazon ($150 with
> ads).  This phone seems compatible with (almost) all networks (with the
> right SIM card) so it may be useful even if Republic doesn't pan out.  I
> just started this process yesterday but so far it works great.  Learning
> how
> to use all the phone features and settings will take some time.
> Scott
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:27 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cell phone companies
> >
> > I am glad to hear the coverage is good. That is my main concern.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Sep 9, 2016, at 11:16 PM, hursley--- via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I had been using T-Mobile for past 3 years. My plan was the Simple
> > > choice plan for 3 lines 1G of data per line, unlimited text and calls.
> > > There are some spots where I cannot get signal. Other than that, I
> > > have no issue. My plan do not have the contract.
> > >
> > > Yesterday, I change to T-Mobile ONE plan with no contract where all
> > > 3 lines have unlimited data, text and calls for additional $50. And
> > > today, I pre-order the iPhone 7 plus from T and had to pay additional
> > > $12 for the "accidents insurance".
> > >
> > > Customer service was great as I was talking to someone who is able to
> > > help me. Talks to them about 4 times in the past. The first was to
> > > activate the 3rd line located 2000 miles away and to get service
> > > connected. The second was to clarify my discount. The third was to get
> > > more data for the 3rd line. She was very helpful and did gave me
> > > alternatives for advantages in the long run. The fourth was that the
> > > pre-order insist on the SIM card that I don't need as I am
> > > transferring from current to new cell and both cells uses the same
> micro
> > SIM. Just knock off the $20, as I do have many SIM cards in my drawer.
> > >
> > > K.S.
> >

Re: [MBZ] Fw: Speaking of Mercedes AaIFonwCeY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AvIFpXtG7i !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yes, just a matter of buying a used Motor mount arm from the knackers. 
(along with a starter.



WILTON via Mercedes 
September 11, 2016 at 6:50 PM

- Original Message - From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:48 PM
Subject: Speaking of Mercedes AaIFonwCeY 



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[WILTON via Mercedes]

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:48 PM
Subject: Speaking of Mercedes AaIFonwCeY 


Can the cracked arm/mounting area be repaired to properly secure the 
engine? I've been afraid that there might some damage to those areas.


Wilton

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From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 

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Cc: "Max Dillon" 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Speaking of Mercedes AaIFonwCeY 



It did, but with broken engine mounts, not so quiet...

Installed in a new home, properly mounted, I'm sure it will be smooth 
again.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 11, 2016 5:46:21 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
 wrote:


- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speaking of Mercedes



BTW, re. klata-klata of the wrecked 124:  That engine has a nice,

soothing

klata - not nearly as pronounced as 123's.

Wilt




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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 1968 mercedes diesal 190 SL

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

The SL is a Craigslist upgrade. .

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Sep 11, 2016 6:11 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Who obviously can't read his pitchur dat sez "200 Diesel"
>
> Fred Moir via Mercedes 
>> September 11, 2016 at 4:26 PM
>> Eedjit.
>>
>>
>> Fred Moir.
>> Lynn MA.
>> Diesel preferred.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Speaking of Mercedes AaIFonwCeY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

It did, but with broken engine mounts, not so quiet...

Installed in a new home, properly mounted, I'm sure it will be smooth again.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 11, 2016 5:46:21 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "WILTON" 
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speaking of Mercedes
>
>
>> BTW, re. klata-klata of the wrecked 124:  That engine has a nice,
>soothing 
>> klata - not nearly as pronounced as 123's.
>>
>> Wilt
>>


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 1968 mercedes diesal 190 SL

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Who obviously can't read his pitchur dat sez "200 Diesel"


Fred Moir via Mercedes 
September 11, 2016 at 4:26 PM
Eedjit.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.


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Re: [MBZ] Meanwhile, back in der Vaterland...

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

no link.  It is an ancient technology called printing on paper.


Mountain Man via Mercedes 
September 11, 2016 at 2:05 PM

Link?
Thanks.
mao


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Re: [MBZ] 9/11

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Nice car!  Nice color too!


Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
September 11, 2016 at 1:45 PM
http://images.jaimekop.com/2001_09_11_WTC/two.jpg





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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Speaking of Mercedes AaIFonwCeY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes I agree Wilton.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Sep 11, 2016 5:46 PM, "WILTON via Mercedes" 
wrote:

>
> - Original Message - From: "WILTON" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speaking of Mercedes
>
>
> BTW, re. klata-klata of the wrecked 124:  That engine has a nice, soothing
>> klata - not nearly as pronounced as 123's.
>>
>> Wilt
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Cc: "Max Dillon" 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speaking of Mercedes
>>
>>
>> Instrument cluster was also from my wagon, Karl has the cluster that was
>>> in this car.
>>> --
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> '87 300TD
>>> '95 E300
>>>
>>> On September 11, 2016 1:05:41 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 No in the car.  Max took a vid of it.  He put the instrument cluster
 back in to see oel pressure.  Cranked it about 3 seconds and it lit
 off,
 ran a few seconds then died, probably fuel starvation.  Started again,
 it ran great, sounded great, good oel pressure, so the oel loss after
 the crash when the cooler lines sheared didn't kill it.

 We did some serious redneck engineering to get it out.  Car is sitting
 out back in the dirt driveway (I don't have any concrete except in the
 garage. I dragged the car forward up close to where I could get my
 trailer up near the engine after we pulled it. Hoist sitting on a sheet

 of plywood.  Jacked the engine up to clear the front crossmember, then
 hooked a chain to the back of the car and dragged it out from under the

 engine.  Rolled the engine a bit then to get my trailer near it, we got

 it on the trailer and ready to take to my friend's barn for storage for

 awhile.

 I have a few pics, it was getting dark, I'll go take some more of the
 broken bits.  We got a bit more to strip off the car then off to the
 knackers to get a few dinero on the metal.

 --R


 On 9/11/16 12:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> So you ran the engine out of the car? Where is the video or photos?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>>
>  wrote:

>
>> Max and I pulled the engine/tranny from Wilton's smashed car
>>
> yesterday.  He pulled the starter off his wagon and swapped it on to
 Wilton's engine, turns out the hit cracked the housing with the gear so
 that is why it wouldn't spin.  Not clear what hit it but whatever it
 was gave it a good whack.  I unbolted the mounts, one of the arms on
 the engine, on the side that took the hit, was snapped at the mount
 point so that was inop.  Once we got the engine out, the other mount
 metal bit had sheared too where the bolt goes into it.

>
>> I presume all this was as the Benzgineers intended, the frame can
>>
> absorb a lot of energy without taking the engine with it and depositing
 it in, say, your lap or face.  Lot better if all that stuff breaks than
 keeping the engine connected to the frame.

>
>> The engine farred right up and ran fine with some old oil in it, the
>>
> cooler lines looped back on themselves, and me squirting some water in
 the top rad hose while the water drained out the bottom of the rad
 somewhat slowly.  Good engine!  I am advocating to transplant it into
 the POS convertible he bought (well, it's not Kleb-quality POS) to get
 a dizzel ragtop, but he says mama ain't likin the klattaklatta no
 more...

>
>> Wilton was very lucky to be driving that car when the dumbass hit
>>
> him.

>
>> BTW the $20 HF recip saw with a good metal blade is your friend, as
>>
> is a BF pry bar.

>
>> --
>> --FT
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Amen!  Pass the ammunition!

Make the seller E&R spark plugs or OM606 or later glow plugs before 
purchase.  Then take the purchase home and remove the plugs and put on 
the NeverSeeze.  It is available at Motion Industries and others.



G Mann via Mercedes 
September 11, 2016 at 12:23 PM
It's been my practice for the past 30+ years to ALWAYS coat the threads of
spark plugs with "Never Seize". There are many versions made by the Never
Seize company, my preferred version is a nickle based product.. I'm sure
the more common copper based version works well, since I have also used
that.

Never had a plug fail to come out since I've started using it.. Started
using it because I did a lot of work on Aluminum head "furren" cars and
motorcycles... it works equally well with cast iron heads/ plugs.

Use it... you'll be glad you did at next tune up.



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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 1968 mercedes diesal 190 SL

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Is cement mixer included? Use it to mix bondo??

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Sep 11, 2016 5:26 PM, "Fred Moir via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Eedjit.
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> 
> From: nore...@craigslist.org 
> Sent: 11 September 2016 20:39
> To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
> Subject: 1968 mercedes diesal 190 SL
>
>
>
> 
> 1968 mercedes diesal 190 SL
>
> http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/5776295521.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT our presidential candidate does not appear to be well

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I call bull hoya on this: "She said: 'Secretary Clinton has been 
experiencing a cough related to allergies."   THis fat braod has access 
to the best medicos in the world.  Allergies are a know quantity and CAN 
be controlled.  IF her constant hacking was caused by allergies, they 
WOULD BE controlled.  The constant hacking indicates a serious problem 
in addition to the parkinsons or whatever neurological disease causes 
the uncontrollable head flopping and whatever causes these blackouts.

\
I did not read any further on the propaganda piece.   The H=> (road to 
hell) campaign is based on ''feel sorry fer me!  Voter fer me 'cuz ah 
put up wit slickwiilie wit da loose willie"

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
September 11, 2016 at 12:16 PM
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[MBZ] Fw: Speaking of Mercedes AaIFonwCeY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WILTON via Mercedes]

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speaking of Mercedes


BTW, re. klata-klata of the wrecked 124:  That engine has a nice, soothing 
klata - not nearly as pronounced as 123's.


Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Max Dillon" 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speaking of Mercedes


Instrument cluster was also from my wagon, Karl has the cluster that was 
in this car.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 11, 2016 1:05:41 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

No in the car.  Max took a vid of it.  He put the instrument cluster
back in to see oel pressure.  Cranked it about 3 seconds and it lit
off,
ran a few seconds then died, probably fuel starvation.  Started again,
it ran great, sounded great, good oel pressure, so the oel loss after
the crash when the cooler lines sheared didn't kill it.

We did some serious redneck engineering to get it out.  Car is sitting
out back in the dirt driveway (I don't have any concrete except in the
garage. I dragged the car forward up close to where I could get my
trailer up near the engine after we pulled it. Hoist sitting on a sheet

of plywood.  Jacked the engine up to clear the front crossmember, then
hooked a chain to the back of the car and dragged it out from under the

engine.  Rolled the engine a bit then to get my trailer near it, we got

it on the trailer and ready to take to my friend's barn for storage for

awhile.

I have a few pics, it was getting dark, I'll go take some more of the
broken bits.  We got a bit more to strip off the car then off to the
knackers to get a few dinero on the metal.

--R


On 9/11/16 12:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

So you ran the engine out of the car? Where is the video or photos?

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

 wrote:


Max and I pulled the engine/tranny from Wilton's smashed car

yesterday.  He pulled the starter off his wagon and swapped it on to
Wilton's engine, turns out the hit cracked the housing with the gear so
that is why it wouldn't spin.  Not clear what hit it but whatever it
was gave it a good whack.  I unbolted the mounts, one of the arms on
the engine, on the side that took the hit, was snapped at the mount
point so that was inop.  Once we got the engine out, the other mount
metal bit had sheared too where the bolt goes into it.


I presume all this was as the Benzgineers intended, the frame can

absorb a lot of energy without taking the engine with it and depositing
it in, say, your lap or face.  Lot better if all that stuff breaks than
keeping the engine connected to the frame.


The engine farred right up and ran fine with some old oil in it, the

cooler lines looped back on themselves, and me squirting some water in
the top rad hose while the water drained out the bottom of the rad
somewhat slowly.  Good engine!  I am advocating to transplant it into
the POS convertible he bought (well, it's not Kleb-quality POS) to get
a dizzel ragtop, but he says mama ain't likin the klattaklatta no
more...


Wilton was very lucky to be driving that car when the dumbass hit

him.


BTW the $20 HF recip saw with a good metal blade is your friend, as

is a BF pry bar.


--
--FT


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[MBZ] Fw: 1968 mercedes diesal 190 SL

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Eedjit.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: nore...@craigslist.org 
Sent: 11 September 2016 20:39
To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
Subject: 1968 mercedes diesal 190 SL




1968 mercedes diesal 190 SL

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Re: [MBZ] 9/11

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

That's one view which WASN'T improved by the nose of a 108...  :(

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[MBZ] My weekend house project

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So we got the lesbians out of the rent house who ended up leaving on their own. 
The problem is for some reason we have gotten no action on the house so it sits 
empty. We have got a couple of people who were flakes. I guess there is not a 
market for an upper end house around here. Either that or people want to move 
before school starts, and that was all while trying to get the other people 
out. Anyway we had some bad wood rot in a corner of the house in the breakfast 
nook area and the floor was dropped down about 1/4 below the trim in one corner 
of the room along a wall for about 4 feet. The stem wall and floor joists in 
that area are rotted due to water damage from the house being left open for 
about 2 years while it was in the process of being built. The builder was 
foreclosed on and left without Windows or doors till the bank later finished 
it. We then bought it not knowing this fact till later. This has lead to having 
to repair rotted wood a few times over the years. I had a quote
  form a guy to go in and replace all that wood etc but I do not want to do 
that now so as a temp fix I hauled some cinder blocks and 4x4 under that and 
jacked it back up stabilize it until it can be properly fixed. Since we can't 
seem to get it rented it's going on the market next week. I am now sore and 
wore out from belly crawling back and forth hauling blocks along the way. 

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone own M103 or M104 cars? a5QfoCVrTq

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:55:37 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> What engine is in my "new" $500 convertible?  Gasser E320, 1995 vintage.

Most likely an M104.


Craig




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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Speaking of Mercedes BFiFPXtG7I

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Looks to me like the front body movement and the engine breaking free at the 
left mount allowed the steering gear to collide with the starter and crack the 
starter housing.  Post-crash, there was at least a couple inches between the 
starter and the steering gear, so I think the body flexed during the impact and 
then sprang back.  The anti-lock brake pump also moved inward enough to break 
the power steering reservoir.

All four doors still open, only the right front passenger door rubs on the 
front fender.  Windshield is intact.
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 11, 2016 3:40:01 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
>
>> ATTABOYS!
>>
>> 'Zackly my thoughts re. the gear housing.
>>
>> So the mounting areas on the block are sound?
>>
>> Thanks for the update.
>>
>> I'm still in mourning, but glad it has a good chance of some good
>revival. 
>> It oughta serve well in that convertible.
>>
>> Wilt
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Cc: "Floyd Thursby" 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 12:42 PM
>> Subject: [MBZ] Speaking of Mercedes
>>
>>
>>> Max and I pulled the engine/tranny from Wilton's smashed car
>yesterday. 
>>> He pulled the starter off his wagon and swapped it on to Wilton's
>engine, 
>>> turns out the hit cracked the housing with the gear so that is why
>it 
>>> wouldn't spin.  Not clear what hit it but whatever it was gave it a
>good 
>>> whack.  I unbolted the mounts, one of the arms on the engine, on the
>side 
>>> that took the hit, was snapped at the mount point so that was inop. 
>Once 
>>> we got the engine out, the other mount metal bit had sheared too
>where 
>>> the bolt goes into it.
>>>
>>> I presume all this was as the Benzgineers intended, the frame can
>absorb 
>>> a lot of energy without taking the engine with it and depositing it
>in, 
>>> say, your lap or face.  Lot better if all that stuff breaks than
>keeping 
>>> the engine connected to the frame.
>>>
>>> The engine farred right up and ran fine with some old oil in it, the
>
>>> cooler lines looped back on themselves, and me squirting some water
>in 
>>> the top rad hose while the water drained out the bottom of the rad 
>>> somewhat slowly.  Good engine!  I am advocating to transplant it
>into the 
>>> POS convertible he bought (well, it's not Kleb-quality POS) to get a
>
>>> dizzel ragtop, but he says mama ain't likin the klattaklatta no
>more...
>>>
>>> Wilton was very lucky to be driving that car when the dumbass hit
>him.
>>>
>>> BTW the $20 HF recip saw with a good metal blade is your friend, as
>is a 
>>> BF pry bar.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT our presidential candidate does not appear to be well

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

This guy thinks she has Parkinson's: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr1IDQ2V1eM


> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 1:17 PM
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> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
> Subject: [MBZ] OT our presidential candidate does not appear to be well
> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3784098/Hillary-Clinton-rushed-9-
> 11-memorial-service-following-medical-episode.html
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Re: [MBZ] 9/11

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Wow, thanks for sharing.  What a terrible day, may that never happen again.
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'95 E300

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Delay)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s not tied to a carrier and works on everyone’s frequencies (except Sprint.)

> The SIM-free iPhone comes without a wireless contract commitment or carrier 
> financing. It doesn’t come with a nano-SIM card for iPhone SE. And because 
> it’s unlocked, it isn’t tied to one carrier, so you can get a nano-SIM from 
> any supported carrier, such as AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon in the United 
> States. The SIM-free iPhone SE is not compatible with Sprint’s network. To 
> use iPhone SE with Sprint, you need to select Sprint as your carrier when you 
> purchase your iPhone.
> 
Dan


> On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Maybe, depends on which radio frequencies your phone is capable of, and if 
> they match up with the carrier.  Sprint uses a lower frequency that doesn't 
> penetrate very far into buildings.
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> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Delay)

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Maybe, depends on which radio frequencies your phone is capable of, and if they 
match up with the carrier.  Sprint uses a lower frequency that doesn't 
penetrate very far into buildings.
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 11, 2016 12:13:17 PM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>If it has a sim don't you just switch the sim to the new carrier?
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> They probably can.  I’ll buy a “SIM free” phone, however, meaning
>it’s not tied to any carrier.  If Apple wants to activate it for me,
>fine, if not, I’ll go to the Verizon store that’s about a mile away.  I
>already checked with them and they’ll provide the SIM for free.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>>> 
>>> I think the Apple store can activate your phone on V
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> 
 On 9/10/16 10:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 Four of the five phones I have on our Verizon contract are
>purchased or out of contract phones. That makes them cost $15/month on
>our plan.  While you can buy new phones from them with the cost divided
>up over two years and no interest, why?  Buy a previous model used or
>refurbed and have it activated.  Verizon doesn’t charge for it.
 
 My iPhone 4S is crapping out because I dropped it a couple of days
>ago.  The digitizer (screen) is wonky in one area and can’t
>discriminate the touches, so things get all goofy when I try to use the
>on screen keyboard.
 
 I recycled an iPhone 4 a while back and got a $100 Apple Store
>credit.  My wonky iPhone is worth $50 to them as a recycled phone. 
>I’ll buy an unlocked 5SE on Monday and it will end up costing me $250. 
>I’ll go right to Verizon from the Apple Store and get it activated.
 
 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of Mercedes

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Instrument cluster was also from my wagon, Karl has the cluster that was in 
this car.
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'95 E300

On September 11, 2016 1:05:41 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>No in the car.  Max took a vid of it.  He put the instrument cluster 
>back in to see oel pressure.  Cranked it about 3 seconds and it lit
>off, 
>ran a few seconds then died, probably fuel starvation.  Started again, 
>it ran great, sounded great, good oel pressure, so the oel loss after 
>the crash when the cooler lines sheared didn't kill it.
>
>We did some serious redneck engineering to get it out.  Car is sitting 
>out back in the dirt driveway (I don't have any concrete except in the 
>garage. I dragged the car forward up close to where I could get my 
>trailer up near the engine after we pulled it. Hoist sitting on a sheet
>
>of plywood.  Jacked the engine up to clear the front crossmember, then 
>hooked a chain to the back of the car and dragged it out from under the
>
>engine.  Rolled the engine a bit then to get my trailer near it, we got
>
>it on the trailer and ready to take to my friend's barn for storage for
>
>awhile.
>
>I have a few pics, it was getting dark, I'll go take some more of the 
>broken bits.  We got a bit more to strip off the car then off to the 
>knackers to get a few dinero on the metal.
>
>--R
>
>
>On 9/11/16 12:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> So you ran the engine out of the car? Where is the video or photos?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Max and I pulled the engine/tranny from Wilton's smashed car
>yesterday.  He pulled the starter off his wagon and swapped it on to
>Wilton's engine, turns out the hit cracked the housing with the gear so
>that is why it wouldn't spin.  Not clear what hit it but whatever it
>was gave it a good whack.  I unbolted the mounts, one of the arms on
>the engine, on the side that took the hit, was snapped at the mount
>point so that was inop.  Once we got the engine out, the other mount
>metal bit had sheared too where the bolt goes into it.
>>>
>>> I presume all this was as the Benzgineers intended, the frame can
>absorb a lot of energy without taking the engine with it and depositing
>it in, say, your lap or face.  Lot better if all that stuff breaks than
>keeping the engine connected to the frame.
>>>
>>> The engine farred right up and ran fine with some old oil in it, the
>cooler lines looped back on themselves, and me squirting some water in
>the top rad hose while the water drained out the bottom of the rad
>somewhat slowly.  Good engine!  I am advocating to transplant it into
>the POS convertible he bought (well, it's not Kleb-quality POS) to get
>a dizzel ragtop, but he says mama ain't likin the klattaklatta no
>more...
>>>
>>> Wilton was very lucky to be driving that car when the dumbass hit
>him.
>>>
>>> BTW the $20 HF recip saw with a good metal blade is your friend, as
>is a BF pry bar.
>>>
>>> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of Mercedes

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Engine still in car, video later, will post link.
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'95 E300

On September 11, 2016 12:45:30 PM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>So you ran the engine out of the car? Where is the video or photos?
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Max and I pulled the engine/tranny from Wilton's smashed car
>yesterday.  He pulled the starter off his wagon and swapped it on to
>Wilton's engine, turns out the hit cracked the housing with the gear so
>that is why it wouldn't spin.  Not clear what hit it but whatever it
>was gave it a good whack.  I unbolted the mounts, one of the arms on
>the engine, on the side that took the hit, was snapped at the mount
>point so that was inop.  Once we got the engine out, the other mount
>metal bit had sheared too where the bolt goes into it.
>> 
>> I presume all this was as the Benzgineers intended, the frame can
>absorb a lot of energy without taking the engine with it and depositing
>it in, say, your lap or face.  Lot better if all that stuff breaks than
>keeping the engine connected to the frame.
>> 
>> The engine farred right up and ran fine with some old oil in it, the
>cooler lines looped back on themselves, and me squirting some water in
>the top rad hose while the water drained out the bottom of the rad
>somewhat slowly.  Good engine!  I am advocating to transplant it into
>the POS convertible he bought (well, it's not Kleb-quality POS) to get
>a dizzel ragtop, but he says mama ain't likin the klattaklatta no
>more...
>> 
>> Wilton was very lucky to be driving that car when the dumbass hit
>him.
>> 
>> BTW the $20 HF recip saw with a good metal blade is your friend, as
>is a BF pry bar.
>> 
>> -- 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of Mercedes

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks for posting that Rich, too busy with other issues to send that.  Post 
some pix!  I've got to put the video of the engine starting and running on 
YouTube and share the link.

Wow I am sore today!  Going to put the starter back into the White Whale in a 
little bit here...
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'95 E300

On September 11, 2016 12:42:06 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Max and I pulled the engine/tranny from Wilton's smashed car yesterday.
> 
>He pulled the starter off his wagon and swapped it on to Wilton's 
>engine, turns out the hit cracked the housing with the gear so that is 
>why it wouldn't spin.  Not clear what hit it but whatever it was gave
>it 
>a good whack.  I unbolted the mounts, one of the arms on the engine, on
>
>the side that took the hit, was snapped at the mount point so that was 
>inop.  Once we got the engine out, the other mount metal bit had
>sheared 
>too where the bolt goes into it.
>
>I presume all this was as the Benzgineers intended, the frame can
>absorb 
>a lot of energy without taking the engine with it and depositing it in,
>
>say, your lap or face.  Lot better if all that stuff breaks than
>keeping 
>the engine connected to the frame.
>
>The engine farred right up and ran fine with some old oil in it, the 
>cooler lines looped back on themselves, and me squirting some water in 
>the top rad hose while the water drained out the bottom of the rad 
>somewhat slowly.  Good engine!  I am advocating to transplant it into 
>the POS convertible he bought (well, it's not Kleb-quality POS) to get
>a 
>dizzel ragtop, but he says mama ain't likin the klattaklatta no more...
>
>Wilton was very lucky to be driving that car when the dumbass hit him.
>
>BTW the $20 HF recip saw with a good metal blade is your friend, as is
>a 
>BF pry bar.
>
>-- 
>--FT
>
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone own M103 or M104 cars?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

What engine is in my "new" $500 convertible?  Gasser E320, 1995 vintage.

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On September 11, 2016 11:01:45 AM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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>   I have a couple of oel filters for each.
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Speaking of Mercedes BFiFPXtG7I

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Looks the right arm is fine, the left one cracked apart where the bolt 
goes through, which makes sense if the mount was being pushed right, it 
just snapped the end off.  They are aluminum too, which suggests the 
benzgineers did a calculation on what would break at what force.


I took some more pics, I'll have to figure out how to post them.

--R


On 9/11/16 3:40 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:




ATTABOYS!

'Zackly my thoughts re. the gear housing.

So the mounting areas on the block are sound?

Thanks for the update.

I'm still in mourning, but glad it has a good chance of some good 
revival. It oughta serve well in that convertible.


Wilt

- Original Message - From: "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Floyd Thursby" 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 12:42 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Speaking of Mercedes


Max and I pulled the engine/tranny from Wilton's smashed car 
yesterday. He pulled the starter off his wagon and swapped it on to 
Wilton's engine, turns out the hit cracked the housing with the gear 
so that is why it wouldn't spin.  Not clear what hit it but whatever 
it was gave it a good whack.  I unbolted the mounts, one of the arms 
on the engine, on the side that took the hit, was snapped at the 
mount point so that was inop.  Once we got the engine out, the other 
mount metal bit had sheared too where the bolt goes into it.


I presume all this was as the Benzgineers intended, the frame can 
absorb a lot of energy without taking the engine with it and 
depositing it in, say, your lap or face.  Lot better if all that 
stuff breaks than keeping the engine connected to the frame.


The engine farred right up and ran fine with some old oil in it, the 
cooler lines looped back on themselves, and me squirting some water 
in the top rad hose while the water drained out the bottom of the 
rad somewhat slowly.  Good engine!  I am advocating to transplant it 
into the POS convertible he bought (well, it's not Kleb-quality POS) 
to get a dizzel ragtop, but he says mama ain't likin the 
klattaklatta no more...


Wilton was very lucky to be driving that car when the dumbass hit him.

BTW the $20 HF recip saw with a good metal blade is your friend, as 
is a BF pry bar.


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[MBZ] Fw: Speaking of Mercedes BFiFPXtG7I

[WILTON via Mercedes]

ATTABOYS!

'Zackly my thoughts re. the gear housing.

So the mounting areas on the block are sound?

Thanks for the update.

I'm still in mourning, but glad it has a good chance of some good revival. 
It oughta serve well in that convertible.


Wilt

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From: "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Floyd Thursby" 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 12:42 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Speaking of Mercedes


Max and I pulled the engine/tranny from Wilton's smashed car yesterday. 
He pulled the starter off his wagon and swapped it on to Wilton's engine, 
turns out the hit cracked the housing with the gear so that is why it 
wouldn't spin.  Not clear what hit it but whatever it was gave it a good 
whack.  I unbolted the mounts, one of the arms on the engine, on the side 
that took the hit, was snapped at the mount point so that was inop.  Once 
we got the engine out, the other mount metal bit had sheared too where 
the bolt goes into it.


I presume all this was as the Benzgineers intended, the frame can absorb 
a lot of energy without taking the engine with it and depositing it in, 
say, your lap or face.  Lot better if all that stuff breaks than keeping 
the engine connected to the frame.


The engine farred right up and ran fine with some old oil in it, the 
cooler lines looped back on themselves, and me squirting some water in 
the top rad hose while the water drained out the bottom of the rad 
somewhat slowly.  Good engine!  I am advocating to transplant it into the 
POS convertible he bought (well, it's not Kleb-quality POS) to get a 
dizzel ragtop, but he says mama ain't likin the klattaklatta no more...


Wilton was very lucky to be driving that car when the dumbass hit him.

BTW the $20 HF recip saw with a good metal blade is your friend, as is a 
BF pry bar.


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Re: [MBZ] Sept 11

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curley wrote:
> Pay close attention to the second verse he sings.

"Cause it is just" and "In God is our trust."
Cynical me.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Meanwhile, back in der Vaterland...

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curley wrote:
> From "Mercedes Benz Classic" magazine, Issue 2, 2016   Accompanied by a
> photo of a bright yellow 123

Link?
Thanks.
mao

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[MBZ] 9/11

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

http://images.jaimekop.com/2001_09_11_WTC/two.jpg



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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I used some on the subbornly noisy door check in our 2010 Dodge RAM 1500, its 
cured the issue. I had been using just regular grease which would quiet the 
thing for a couple days but pretty quick we'd be back to "sqk" every time 
you opened the door.
I seem to have lost that tube which is too bad I need to try it on the Golf 
which doesn't make noise but has very stiff doors that grease has helped but 
not as much as I'd like.
-Curt

  From: G Mann via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: G Mann 
 Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 1:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL
   
It's been my practice for the past 30+ years to ALWAYS coat the threads of
spark plugs with "Never Seize".  There are many versions made by the Never
Seize company, my preferred version is a nickle based product.. I'm sure
the more common copper based version works well, since I have also used
that.

Never had a plug fail to come out since I've started using it.. Started
using it because I did a lot of work on Aluminum head "furren" cars and
motorcycles... it works equally well with cast iron heads/ plugs.

Use it... you'll be glad you did at next tune up.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Peter Hertzing via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yep..  Impact gets it done each time...  Never had one break doing it
> that way..  Check the tranny.  If it hasn't been rebuilt it's due.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 10, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Rick Sez:
> >
> >> Google Ford 5.4 Spark Plug removal.
> >
> > Seafoam in the intake. Hot engine. Use an impact.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/XOVhhkC3A2c
> >
> > The approved Ford method
> >
> > https://youtu.be/PHQxnG6Bd3o
> >
> > https://youtu.be/_NNLWwA8FtE
> >
> > Or break them and use this...
> >
> > https://youtu.be/lkantvvD0K8
> >
> > SImilar, I think, to an OM606 glow plug change.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[G Mann via Mercedes]

It's been my practice for the past 30+ years to ALWAYS coat the threads of
spark plugs with "Never Seize".  There are many versions made by the Never
Seize company, my preferred version is a nickle based product.. I'm sure
the more common copper based version works well, since I have also used
that.

Never had a plug fail to come out since I've started using it.. Started
using it because I did a lot of work on Aluminum head "furren" cars and
motorcycles... it works equally well with cast iron heads/ plugs.

Use it... you'll be glad you did at next tune up.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Peter Hertzing via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yep..  Impact gets it done each time...   Never had one break doing it
> that way..  Check the tranny.  If it hasn't been rebuilt it's due.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 10, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Rick Sez:
> >
> >> Google Ford 5.4 Spark Plug removal.
> >
> > Seafoam in the intake. Hot engine. Use an impact.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/XOVhhkC3A2c
> >
> > The approved Ford method
> >
> > https://youtu.be/PHQxnG6Bd3o
> >
> > https://youtu.be/_NNLWwA8FtE
> >
> > Or break them and use this...
> >
> > https://youtu.be/lkantvvD0K8
> >
> > SImilar, I think, to an OM606 glow plug change.
> >
> > Rick
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[MBZ] OT our presidential candidate does not appear to be well

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3784098/Hillary-Clinton-rushed-9-11-memorial-service-following-medical-episode.html


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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Peter Hertzing via Mercedes]

Yep..  Impact gets it done each time...   Never had one break doing it that 
way..  Check the tranny.  If it hasn't been rebuilt it's due.   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 10, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Rick Sez:
> 
>> Google Ford 5.4 Spark Plug removal.
> 
> Seafoam in the intake. Hot engine. Use an impact.
> 
> https://youtu.be/XOVhhkC3A2c
> 
> The approved Ford method
> 
> https://youtu.be/PHQxnG6Bd3o
> 
> https://youtu.be/_NNLWwA8FtE
> 
> Or break them and use this...
> 
> https://youtu.be/lkantvvD0K8
> 
> SImilar, I think, to an OM606 glow plug change.
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of Mercedes

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

No in the car.  Max took a vid of it.  He put the instrument cluster 
back in to see oel pressure.  Cranked it about 3 seconds and it lit off, 
ran a few seconds then died, probably fuel starvation.  Started again, 
it ran great, sounded great, good oel pressure, so the oel loss after 
the crash when the cooler lines sheared didn't kill it.


We did some serious redneck engineering to get it out.  Car is sitting 
out back in the dirt driveway (I don't have any concrete except in the 
garage. I dragged the car forward up close to where I could get my 
trailer up near the engine after we pulled it. Hoist sitting on a sheet 
of plywood.  Jacked the engine up to clear the front crossmember, then 
hooked a chain to the back of the car and dragged it out from under the 
engine.  Rolled the engine a bit then to get my trailer near it, we got 
it on the trailer and ready to take to my friend's barn for storage for 
awhile.


I have a few pics, it was getting dark, I'll go take some more of the 
broken bits.  We got a bit more to strip off the car then off to the 
knackers to get a few dinero on the metal.


--R


On 9/11/16 12:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

So you ran the engine out of the car? Where is the video or photos?

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Max and I pulled the engine/tranny from Wilton's smashed car yesterday.  He 
pulled the starter off his wagon and swapped it on to Wilton's engine, turns 
out the hit cracked the housing with the gear so that is why it wouldn't spin.  
Not clear what hit it but whatever it was gave it a good whack.  I unbolted the 
mounts, one of the arms on the engine, on the side that took the hit, was 
snapped at the mount point so that was inop.  Once we got the engine out, the 
other mount metal bit had sheared too where the bolt goes into it.

I presume all this was as the Benzgineers intended, the frame can absorb a lot 
of energy without taking the engine with it and depositing it in, say, your lap 
or face.  Lot better if all that stuff breaks than keeping the engine connected 
to the frame.

The engine farred right up and ran fine with some old oil in it, the cooler 
lines looped back on themselves, and me squirting some water in the top rad 
hose while the water drained out the bottom of the rad somewhat slowly.  Good 
engine!  I am advocating to transplant it into the POS convertible he bought 
(well, it's not Kleb-quality POS) to get a dizzel ragtop, but he says mama 
ain't likin the klattaklatta no more...

Wilton was very lucky to be driving that car when the dumbass hit him.

BTW the $20 HF recip saw with a good metal blade is your friend, as is a BF pry 
bar.

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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of Mercedes

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So you ran the engine out of the car? Where is the video or photos?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Max and I pulled the engine/tranny from Wilton's smashed car yesterday.  He 
> pulled the starter off his wagon and swapped it on to Wilton's engine, turns 
> out the hit cracked the housing with the gear so that is why it wouldn't 
> spin.  Not clear what hit it but whatever it was gave it a good whack.  I 
> unbolted the mounts, one of the arms on the engine, on the side that took the 
> hit, was snapped at the mount point so that was inop.  Once we got the engine 
> out, the other mount metal bit had sheared too where the bolt goes into it.
> 
> I presume all this was as the Benzgineers intended, the frame can absorb a 
> lot of energy without taking the engine with it and depositing it in, say, 
> your lap or face.  Lot better if all that stuff breaks than keeping the 
> engine connected to the frame.
> 
> The engine farred right up and ran fine with some old oil in it, the cooler 
> lines looped back on themselves, and me squirting some water in the top rad 
> hose while the water drained out the bottom of the rad somewhat slowly.  Good 
> engine!  I am advocating to transplant it into the POS convertible he bought 
> (well, it's not Kleb-quality POS) to get a dizzel ragtop, but he says mama 
> ain't likin the klattaklatta no more...
> 
> Wilton was very lucky to be driving that car when the dumbass hit him.
> 
> BTW the $20 HF recip saw with a good metal blade is your friend, as is a BF 
> pry bar.
> 
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[MBZ] Speaking of Mercedes

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Max and I pulled the engine/tranny from Wilton's smashed car yesterday.  
He pulled the starter off his wagon and swapped it on to Wilton's 
engine, turns out the hit cracked the housing with the gear so that is 
why it wouldn't spin.  Not clear what hit it but whatever it was gave it 
a good whack.  I unbolted the mounts, one of the arms on the engine, on 
the side that took the hit, was snapped at the mount point so that was 
inop.  Once we got the engine out, the other mount metal bit had sheared 
too where the bolt goes into it.


I presume all this was as the Benzgineers intended, the frame can absorb 
a lot of energy without taking the engine with it and depositing it in, 
say, your lap or face.  Lot better if all that stuff breaks than keeping 
the engine connected to the frame.


The engine farred right up and ran fine with some old oil in it, the 
cooler lines looped back on themselves, and me squirting some water in 
the top rad hose while the water drained out the bottom of the rad 
somewhat slowly.  Good engine!  I am advocating to transplant it into 
the POS convertible he bought (well, it's not Kleb-quality POS) to get a 
dizzel ragtop, but he says mama ain't likin the klattaklatta no more...


Wilton was very lucky to be driving that car when the dumbass hit him.

BTW the $20 HF recip saw with a good metal blade is your friend, as is a 
BF pry bar.


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Re: [MBZ] Delivery Status Notification (Delay)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good question.  I don’t know.  This will be the first phone I’ve had that has a 
"real” SIM card.



> On Sep 11, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If it has a sim don't you just switch the sim to the new carrier?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Delay)

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

If it has a sim don't you just switch the sim to the new carrier?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> They probably can.  I’ll buy a “SIM free” phone, however, meaning it’s not 
> tied to any carrier.  If Apple wants to activate it for me, fine, if not, 
> I’ll go to the Verizon store that’s about a mile away.  I already checked 
> with them and they’ll provide the SIM for free.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> 
>> I think the Apple store can activate your phone on V
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/10/16 10:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Four of the five phones I have on our Verizon contract are purchased or out 
>>> of contract phones. That makes them cost $15/month on our plan.  While you 
>>> can buy new phones from them with the cost divided up over two years and no 
>>> interest, why?  Buy a previous model used or refurbed and have it 
>>> activated.  Verizon doesn’t charge for it.
>>> 
>>> My iPhone 4S is crapping out because I dropped it a couple of days ago.  
>>> The digitizer (screen) is wonky in one area and can’t discriminate the 
>>> touches, so things get all goofy when I try to use the on screen keyboard.
>>> 
>>> I recycled an iPhone 4 a while back and got a $100 Apple Store credit.  My 
>>> wonky iPhone is worth $50 to them as a recycled phone.  I’ll buy an 
>>> unlocked 5SE on Monday and it will end up costing me $250.  I’ll go right 
>>> to Verizon from the Apple Store and get it activated.
>>> 
>>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Rear Sun Shades

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

My 2005 e320 and my 1998 e300d.

Bob R
On Sep 10, 2016 5:03 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> For what model/year?
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Sep 10, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > I want one in the worst way.
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > W126 and later models had an option for a rear sunshade. They were
> pretty rare until the W140, when they became more common.
> >
> > Here’s a video of one in a later model:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7US5rlJyAAA  watch?v=7US5rlJyAAA>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7US5rlJyAAA>>
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 10, 2016, at 7:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > Huh?  Never heard of an OEM sun shade.  What year/lmodel?
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > >> What is the best lube to work on the rear sun shades? In both the
> W210 and
> > >> the w211 the shades are slowing down in going up and down.
> > >> I have some of the super-secret sunroof Lube. I wonder if that would
> be
> > >> appropriate?
> > >> Second question, where can I find the information on what a w210 turbo
> > >> diesel 300K mile service would look like?
> > >>
> > >> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] OT 1994 e420 woes BgifnQluCm

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I always figured  a thin coat of dieselfuel/oil preserved things in the
engine compartment.  But I never had show cars.  On the OM636, OM621,
OM615, OM616/7 and OM603/2/1 engines I don't think you'd hurt much.  On
the OM606 on, with all the electronics, it is probably not advisable to
hose down the engine; certainly pressure washers on those engines.




Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
September 10, 2016 at 4:54 AM
This brings up an interesting question; is it wise to do a detail on a 
M.B. Diesel engine?

Ralph

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:



MAFs aren’t bad, but they can be tough to source.

Mercedes has rebuilt ones - the one for this car is about $370.00 
reman, new $463.36.  New ones are tough to coe by, but the remans are 
usually in stock.


Dan




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Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
September 10, 2016 at 4:45 AM
MAFs aren’t bad, but they can be tough to source.

Mercedes has rebuilt ones - the one for this car is about $370.00 
reman, new $463.36. New ones are tough to coe by, but the remans are 
usually in stock.


Dan




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Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
September 10, 2016 at 4:32 AM
If the “detailer” used silicone based products on or around the engine 
compartment, they borked your MAF. If silicone gets on the sensing 
parts of the MAF, it kills them. This is well known and documented.


Lift the hood and see if you’ve got a shiny engine.

Dan




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Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
September 9, 2016 at 9:50 PM
So I bought that low miles 1994 e420 from Jeremy and Co up in SF. 
Figured I

need the car and they said it drove well and was in good shape, and that's
about all I need in a 420. Paid and they sent the car.

It arrived yesterday. Started, backed off trailer fine. It was about 
8am so

I hopped in it and attempted to drive to work. Unfortunately, it would rev
to about 1500rpm and stall, and repeat the sequence about every second or
so. It idles as smooth as silk, just won't throttle up. No lights on the
dash. Never got out of first gear or above 20mph. Not good news! 
Called tow

truck, then Lyft.

Herbert the German mechanic says the fault code is either the throttle 
body
actuator or the computer that controls it. He says the throttle body 
is not
opening properly in response to pedal input. He asks if there has ever 
been

water on the engine. I say not to my knowledge. He is still sorting out
what exactly is failing. Either one is a spendy item apparently; 1500 for
the actuator and lord knows if a computer would even be available. Herbert
himself isn't cheap either, but he knows mercedes.

So I got Jeremy on the phone and relayed this info. He apparently drove it
for several days and to the smog place before listing it, and it was
completely fine including the dyno test at smog. He says they did detail
the engine after that though.

So here is the question: what stuff typically gets messed up when you wash
an e420 motor that can cause this sort of thing? I am still hoping for an
outside chance of something simple, and I figured I would see if there is
any collective wisdom on this topic.

Thanks,
Karl
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Delay)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They probably can.  I’ll buy a “SIM free” phone, however, meaning it’s not tied 
to any carrier.  If Apple wants to activate it for me, fine, if not, I’ll go to 
the Verizon store that’s about a mile away.  I already checked with them and 
they’ll provide the SIM for free.

Dan

> 
> I think the Apple store can activate your phone on V
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 9/10/16 10:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Four of the five phones I have on our Verizon contract are purchased or out 
>> of contract phones. That makes them cost $15/month on our plan.  While you 
>> can buy new phones from them with the cost divided up over two years and no 
>> interest, why?  Buy a previous model used or refurbed and have it activated. 
>>  Verizon doesn’t charge for it.
>> 
>> My iPhone 4S is crapping out because I dropped it a couple of days ago.  The 
>> digitizer (screen) is wonky in one area and can’t discriminate the touches, 
>> so things get all goofy when I try to use the on screen keyboard.
>> 
>> I recycled an iPhone 4 a while back and got a $100 Apple Store credit.  My 
>> wonky iPhone is worth $50 to them as a recycled phone.  I’ll buy an unlocked 
>> 5SE on Monday and it will end up costing me $250.  I’ll go right to Verizon 
>> from the Apple Store and get it activated.
>> 
>> Dan


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Delay)

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Whoops, so now its slipped over to the Googles too.
Kaleb needs to contact his hosting service, this has gotten out of control.
-Curt


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I think the Apple store can activate your phone on V

--FT


On 9/10/16 10:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Four of the five phones I have on our Verizon contract are purchased or out 
> of contract phones. That makes them cost $15/month on our plan.  While you 
> can buy new phones from them with the cost divided up over two years and no 
> interest, why?  Buy a previous model used or refurbed and have it activated.  
> Verizon doesn’t charge for it.
>
> My iPhone 4S is crapping out because I dropped it a couple of days ago.  The 
> digitizer (screen) is wonky in one area and can’t discriminate the touches, 
> so things get all goofy when I try to use the on screen keyboard.
>
> I recycled an iPhone 4 a while back and got a $100 Apple Store credit.  My 
> wonky iPhone is worth $50 to them as a recycled phone.  I’ll buy an unlocked 
> 5SE on Monday and it will end up costing me $250.  I’ll go right to Verizon 
> from the Apple Store and get it activated.
>
> Dan
>
>
>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> My iPhone 6 crapped out a few months and I have been fighting with Apple 
>> over it. When I drove to OK to pick up a car, I had to have a phone. So, I 
>> took my old I phone 5 to cricket. For $50 a month, I have unlimited talk, 
>> text, and 5 G of data. Cricket uses AT&T lines. It has been the best deal on 
>> a smart phone I have ever had. No contract, $50 a month cancel anytime. T

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I think the Apple store can activate your phone on V

--FT


On 9/10/16 10:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Four of the five phones I have on our Verizon contract are purchased or out of 
contract phones. That makes them cost $15/month on our plan.  While you can buy 
new phones from them with the cost divided up over two years and no interest, 
why?  Buy a previous model used or refurbed and have it activated.  Verizon 
doesn’t charge for it.

My iPhone 4S is crapping out because I dropped it a couple of days ago.  The 
digitizer (screen) is wonky in one area and can’t discriminate the touches, so 
things get all goofy when I try to use the on screen keyboard.

I recycled an iPhone 4 a while back and got a $100 Apple Store credit.  My 
wonky iPhone is worth $50 to them as a recycled phone.  I’ll buy an unlocked 
5SE on Monday and it will end up costing me $250.  I’ll go right to Verizon 
from the Apple Store and get it activated.

Dan



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wrote:

My iPhone 6 crapped out a few months and I have been fighting with Apple over it. 
When I drove to OK to pick up a car, I had to have a phone. So, I took my old I 
phone 5 to cricket. For $50 a month, I have unlimited talk, text, and 5 G of data. 
Cricket uses AT&T lines. It has been the best deal on a smart phone I have ever 
had. No contract, $50 a month cancel anytime. The only snag is you have to already 
have the phone.

Donald H. Snook
SNOOK LAW LLC

5020 E. Central Suite A
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[MBZ] Anyone own M103 or M104 cars?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

  I have a couple of oel filters for each.

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Re: [MBZ] Poos can scratch his itch

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Nice pictures!  great detailed description!


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
September 11, 2016 at 9:55 AM

1991 Mercedes 300 SEL
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5775184356.html


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[MBZ] Sept 11

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

My memorial for the day.  Pay close attention to the second verse he 
sings.  It is the fourth verse, but he skipped verses 2 and 3.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaeGnCuhvjk

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[MBZ] Poos can scratch his itch

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

1991 Mercedes 300 SEL
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5775184356.html

via cPro for Craigslist
iOS: http://tinyurl.com/cPro-iDevice
Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android


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Re: [MBZ] Cell phone companies aUQFp34IH4

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Arrgh, the magic code has gotten me too... 


  From: Curt Raymond 
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 Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cell phone companies
   
I've had Republic for 2 years. I just updated to a MotoX 3rd gen when my 1st 
gen MotoX died.The new GSM phones like mine use a different carrier. They won't 
tell you who but allude to it being AT&T. The service is a little better than 
the Sprint but nothing to write home about. The phone irritates me some because 
it'll say "no service" switch to airplane mode and back and you've got service 
again. It'll be interesting to see if its got service at camp, the old phone 
had none. Sprint service ends about halfway up Maine, AT&T claims to have 
service there and Angie's old AT&T phone worked fine.
For the price (I pay about $30 on the new plan, Angie spends about $17 on an 
old Refund plan) its fine, adequate but nothing outstanding. If it gets any 
worse or more expensive I'll jump ship. I very nearly did when I couldn't 
figure out how to change my Republic number to the new Republic phone and ended 
up having to ship the new phone back and get a replacement. Worse the phone 
somehow got damaged to the tune of $125. I don't know how its possible since it 
never left the house and the new-new phone is still in perfect shape a month 
later. I made them send a picture which does show damage but I'm pretty sure it 
wasn't there when the phone left my possession. 

-Curt


  From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
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Cc: Scott Ritchey 
 Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 2:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cell phone companies
  
I just started testing out Republic wireless (before I switch my number).  I
live in a rural area. Alltel was OK until after Verizon bought them out.
Now it's 0-1 bar at my home.  
Republic uses WiFi as primary (when available) and switches to and cell
(Sprint network, I think) if no WiFi.  I have good WiFi and Internet at my
house (typically 30-50 MBPS).  As I recall, it's $20/mo (plus tax) including
1 G cell data (WiFi data doesn't count against monthly data).  There is no
limit on voice or text on any plan. More monthly data is more $$.  
The catch is that I had to but an approved smart phone (I am still a flip
phone guy) and learn to use it.  I bought a Moto G4 from Amazon ($150 with
ads).  This phone seems compatible with (almost) all networks (with the
right SIM card) so it may be useful even if Republic doesn't pan out.  I
just started this process yesterday but so far it works great.  Learning how
to use all the phone features and settings will take some time.
Scott

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:27 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cell phone companies
> 
> I am glad to hear the coverage is good. That is my main concern.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 9, 2016, at 11:16 PM, hursley--- via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > I had been using T-Mobile for past 3 years. My plan was the Simple
> > choice plan for 3 lines 1G of data per line, unlimited text and calls.
> > There are some spots where I cannot get signal. Other than that, I
> > have no issue. My plan do not have the contract.
> >
> > Yesterday, I change to T-Mobile ONE plan with no contract where all
> > 3 lines have unlimited data, text and calls for additional $50. And
> > today, I pre-order the iPhone 7 plus from T and had to pay additional
> > $12 for the "accidents insurance".
> >
> > Customer service was great as I was talking to someone who is able to
> > help me. Talks to them about 4 times in the past. The first was to
> > activate the 3rd line located 2000 miles away and to get service
> > connected. The second was to clarify my discount. The third was to get
> > more data for the 3rd line. She was very helpful and did gave me
> > alternatives for advantages in the long run. The fourth was that the
> > pre-order insist on the SIM card that I don't need as I am
> > transferring from current to new cell and both cells uses the same micro
> SIM. Just knock off the $20, as I do have many SIM cards in my drawer.
> >
> > K.S.
> >
> >> On Sep 9, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 22:14:51 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Looking to switch cell phone companies.  Looked at T-Mobile. Anybody
> >>> have any experience with them?
> >>
> >> I'm using Tracfone.
> >>
> >>
> >> Craig
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Discussion for the Q

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Here is the complete version of Janis Joplin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qev-i9-VKlY


Dimitri via Mercedes 
September 11, 2016 at 9:22 AM
Saw that. Let's try to keep the good examples off salty roads.

Sent from my MBfhone




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Re: [MBZ] Discussion for the Q

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtJDmMaWPtY

The fakebuch version is better.  search 80s mercedes on fakebuch

Personally I like Janis Joplin's better!   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-GFqhCq2HA

Only today's kids would not know what Dialing for dollars is.

Here is the introduction, but incomplete version  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-GFqhCq2HA


Complete, but missing the introduction as heard on the Pearl album  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-GFqhCq2HA

Dimitri via Mercedes 
September 11, 2016 at 9:22 AM
Saw that. Let's try to keep the good examples off salty roads.

Sent from my iPhone


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Curley McLain 
September 11, 2016 at 7:54 AM
That missed the Q...

The Star has an article that 123s are becoming the car of choice for 
hollyweird and other popstar millennials.   They apparently have 
discovered the durability of the 123 cars.  The story is accompanied 
by a picture reported to be "lady gaga" in a light blue 123 with 
Bundts.   It says there is a new song about Mercedes that may replace 
Janis Joplin's "little song of great social and political importance."


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Re: [MBZ] Discussion for the Q

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Saw that. Let's try to keep the good examples off salty roads.

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> On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That missed the Q...
> 
> The Star has an article that 123s are becoming the car of choice for 
> hollyweird and other popstar millennials.   They apparently have discovered 
> the durability of the 123 cars.  The story is accompanied by a picture 
> reported to be "lady gaga" in a light blue 123 with Bundts.   It says there 
> is a new song about Mercedes that may replace Janis Joplin's "little song of 
> great social and political importance."
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[MBZ] Meanwhile, back in der Vaterland...

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

"THE 123 IS THE MOST POPULAR MERCEDES BENZ CLASSIC

There are 5 classics from Mercedes Benz in the top-ten ranking of 
vehicle models with an H registration in Germany.  According to a recent 
study by the association for the automotive industry (VDA), Mercedes 
Benz has strengthened its leading position as the popular brand on the 
classic scene [in Germany].


As of the start of this year, 83,304 mercedes Benz vehicles bore the H 
registration.  The next most popular brand followed well behind, 
(64,677).  The most popular Mercedes Benz Classic is the W123 series 
(17,534 vehicles with an H registration), followed by the R107 (11,235 
vehicles).Also among the top-ten are the Stroke 8 series (7045), 
FIntail models (5242) and the Pagoda SLs (113) (4847)"


From "Mercedes Benz Classic" magazine, Issue 2, 2016   Accompanied by a 
photo of a bright yellow 123


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[MBZ] Discussion for the Q

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That missed the Q...

The Star has an article that 123s are becoming the car of choice for 
hollyweird and other popstar millennials.   They apparently have 
discovered the durability of the 123 cars.  The story is accompanied by 
a picture reported to be "lady gaga" in a light blue 123 with Bundts.   
It says there is a new song about Mercedes that may replace Janis 
Joplin's "little song of great social and political importance."


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Re: [MBZ] what time is the Q tomorrow?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Good one

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Sep 10, 2016 11:30 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yep it was a NokieQ!(Say it slowly...No okie Q)
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> September 10, 2016 at 9:11 PM
>> So the q is over and I was not there?
>>
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