Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> A 6 bt is bigger and heavier, and the new ones are more refined, but it is
> too heavy for half or 3/4 ton peekups.


I disagree.  I really like the 6BT in my 3/4 Dodge.  Feels and drives like
a truck, not a car.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] needs much repair 82 380SEL

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I am looking for a M116 engine and trans.  A 380SEL would be ideal.  a 
420SEL would be even better.   (Gen II 126, more HP)   I think I could 
make the M117 from a 500SEL or a 560SEL work.  The reason I am looking 
for the long body is because I think I could take one of my spare OM603 
engines and put in in an SEL to make a SDL so that I could scrap the 
rustbucket SDL.  Sorta kill 2 birds with one SEL.  I think I can get a 
SEL for !500 or so.  Otherwise, I have to spend probably $1500 for an 
M116, and probably that much again for a better SDL or 300D.


I liked this ol boy, Frank talking to him on the phone.  If you go see 
him, I think you might like him too.  If he comes around on the SEL, ok, 
and if not I'll find another, hopefully closer to South MS/AL/LA.  My 
guess is that i'll have to find another.


I am headed south Dec 20.

I think I will go N around March 1 to finish house projects and get it 
up for sale.  If all goes well, Mar 15 until the house sells or about 
June 20, we'll be in the south  again.  #1 daughter getting married Jun 17.


Sometime around Jan 5 I need to see Manfred and pickup the BMW.  FL 
MiniQ  Maybe we can get Gerry or go visit him.   I hope he's ok.  
His message about being "off" for a while concerns me.





Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
November 26, 2016 at 8:55 AM
Who is it, did you get a name?

--FT




Curley McLain 
November 25, 2016 at 10:33 PM
He is a good ol boy.  Ran what we'd call a meat locker.  Sold it. 
retired.  Got started selling pigs for bbq.  Now sells roasting pigs, 
bbQ pork, and rents the BBQ rigs for the pigs.  He's probably 70 or so.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
November 25, 2016 at 6:50 PM
Well let me know, I don't think he is far away

--FT




Curley McLain 
November 25, 2016 at 1:58 PM
yes.  Maybe by Jan he will change his mind.


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
November 25, 2016 at 12:13 PM
$3k for that?  It's a POS.

--FT






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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Ford or Dodge truck, Chevy will require major modifications.

Front oil sump vs rear oil sump

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I agree.  A 4BT rattles and shakes and makes a lot of noise.  It is much 
heavier than the gas engine the trucks came with.   A 6 bt is bigger and 
heavier, and the new ones are more refined, but it is too heavy for half 
or 3/4 ton peekups.  A 6 BT might work in a 1 ton, but for 1.5 or 2 ton, 
its da bomb.


An OM 603 at 125 HP is at least as good as a ford 240 or 300.  Yes, it 
cruises at 3000 RPM, but that should push along the truck with the 
original rear end at highway speeds.  If you turn up the fuel some and 
add a couple PSI of boost it should equal the HP of a 300 cubic inch or 
so merkun gasser.   It will be no more weight, perhaps lighter than a 
small block frod, shovey of dogde.


I am not thinking of any newish truck.  a 1980 or so frod would be the 
newest I'd look at.  1966 to 1968 (GM, frod or dogde) or so would be 
preferable.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
November 27, 2016 at 8:53 PM
I've never been so excited about driving big truck engines in 
passenger type vehicles. The only 6BT I drove was an '01 24 valve and 
it had nothing on an MB or VW diesel.
Gearing decides where you rev to. For a 1 ton truck the 6BT is 
probably the best choice but for something smaller like a 1/2 ton 
truck doing light work a 602/603/606 is probably fine.

-Curt

From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
To: "mercedes@okiebenz com" 
Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

They don't have much torque until they rev. A 4bt is much easier and
cheaper to fit and tune in any sort of truck here in the us.


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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've never been so excited about driving big truck engines in passenger type 
vehicles. The only 6BT I drove was an '01 24 valve and it had nothing on an MB 
or VW diesel.
Gearing decides where you rev to. For a 1 ton truck the 6BT is probably the 
best choice but for something smaller like a 1/2 ton truck doing light work a 
602/603/606 is probably fine.
-Curt

  From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 To: "mercedes@okiebenz com"  
Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
 Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 9:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL
   
They don't have much torque until they rev. A 4bt is much easier and
cheaper to fit and tune in any sort of truck here in the us.

On Nov 27, 2016 11:39 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Agreed.  Using an OM603 or an OM606 to convert any vergasser from a 123
> to a pickup truck into a useful car or pickup makes sense to me.
>
> If I had a pickup, or a one ton, I'd be looking for an OM606 turbo.
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> November 27, 2016 at 1:15 PM
>> Seems pointless to me. Now I have heard about installing a 606 turbo in a
>> 140 diesel. The 606 powered turbo 140 was available in other countries I do
>> believe.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

They don't have much torque until they rev. A 4bt is much easier and
cheaper to fit and tune in any sort of truck here in the us.

On Nov 27, 2016 11:39 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Agreed.   Using an OM603 or an OM606 to convert any vergasser from a 123
> to a pickup truck into a useful car or pickup makes sense to me.
>
> If I had a pickup, or a one ton, I'd be looking for an OM606 turbo.
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> November 27, 2016 at 1:15 PM
>> Seems pointless to me. Now I have heard about installing a 606 turbo in a
>> 140 diesel. The 606 powered turbo 140 was available in other countries I do
>> believe.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

But in the time frame I am talking about they sold plenty of gasser wagons in 
the 124 and 210, why not diesel? Maybe they did not think there was enough 
demand.

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> On Nov 27, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The bow tie guys.  "Crossovers" and "SUV"s are "in"  Wagons are "out" of 
> style.  Doesn't matter who wants em.  The bowties decreed you WILL buy an ML. 
> (Or an R)  Now there is a whole slew of new "alphabet soup nonsense" models 
> that look like MLs or descendants of the AMC concorde 4WD.
> 
> Same people who said we can't have manual transmission, manual heater/AC, 
> manual windows, or manual sunroofs in the USA market.
> 
> Same people who say every new MB has to be an electronic toy, not a car.
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> November 27, 2016 at 2:06 PM
>> I could see that for not going past 99 but we already had diesel sedans 
>> 90-93 so why not wagon? Same with 96-99.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The bow tie guys.  "Crossovers" and "SUV"s are "in"  Wagons are "out" of 
style.  Doesn't matter who wants em.  The bowties decreed you WILL buy 
an ML. (Or an R)  Now there is a whole slew of new "alphabet soup 
nonsense" models that look like MLs or descendants of the AMC concorde 4WD.


Same people who said we can't have manual transmission, manual 
heater/AC, manual windows, or manual sunroofs in the USA market.


Same people who say every new MB has to be an electronic toy, not a car.


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
November 27, 2016 at 2:06 PM
I could see that for not going past 99 but we already had diesel 
sedans 90-93 so why not wagon? Same with 96-99.




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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I could see that for not going past 99 but we already had diesel sedans 90-93 
so why not wagon? Same with 96-99.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 27, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> EPA
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> November 27, 2016 at 1:39 PM
>> I don't know why they did not install a 2.5 turbo in the later 124 wagons or 
>> why no diesel 210, or why they did not continue the diesel 210 past 99.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

EPA


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
November 27, 2016 at 1:39 PM
I don't know why they did not install a 2.5 turbo in the later 124 
wagons or why no diesel 210, or why they did not continue the diesel 
210 past 99.




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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I don't know why they did not install a 2.5 turbo in the later 124 wagons or 
why no diesel 210, or why they did not continue the diesel 210 past 99. 

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> On Nov 27, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I wonder why there was no 1999 turbo diesel 4matic in the 210 chassis. 
> I'd buy one of those, dark green wagon please. 
> Mitch
> 
>> On November 27, 2016 at 2:15 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Seems pointless to me. Now I have heard about installing a 606 turbo in a 140
>> diesel. The 606 powered turbo 140 was available in other countries I do
>> believe.
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Agreed.   Using an OM603 or an OM606 to convert any vergasser from a 123 
to a pickup truck into a useful car or pickup makes sense to me.


If I had a pickup, or a one ton, I'd be looking for an OM606 turbo.


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
November 27, 2016 at 1:15 PM
Seems pointless to me. Now I have heard about installing a 606 turbo 
in a 140 diesel. The 606 powered turbo 140 was available in other 
countries I do believe.


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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Slow day today.  Seems that the cumulative affects of the week have caught up 
with me.  I am drained.

Mild tinkering and clean up stuff so far:

Drained PS reservoir, installed new filter and topped off with MB fluid.  Old 
fluid was a little dark, but not bad.  It was MB fluid, which is good.

Polished out the side windows to get the last of the water spots off.  Did the 
windshield as well and then applied some Rain-X.

Driver’s outside rear view mirror housing seemed sloppy, like the spring wasn’t 
holding it tight to the door frame, so I popped the glass out to have a look.  
No wonder - the spring was unhooked from the housing for some reason.  Polished 
the mirror glass and greased up the swivel and other parts of the mount and 
reinstalled it.

Plugged the vacuum line to the EGR.  PO told me it had a BB in it but 
considering other things he told me, I checked to be sure.  No BB.  Vacuum all 
the way back to the changeover valves as I suspected, so I put a golf tee in 
the line at the EGR for now.

Pulled the glove compartment liner to see if the foam hose was still intact, 
despite the ACC working just fine as far as temperatures and fan speeds.  
Amazing!  The original foam hose is still in place and in good condition.  I’ve 
never seen one before, other than in powder form.  Nice.

Went through the contents of the owner’s manual pouch.  I was stunned.  Bought 
at Lokey MB (Clearwater) in 1982, owner’s book stamped for all services up 
until 1999 around 100k, shortly before the PO bought it.  I even found the 
window sticker and predelivery checklist, as well as the meal plate they issued 
with the cars back then to be able to stamp the service orders with the owner’s 
information when the car came in for service.

$29,698.00 MSRP
N/C Becker Europa Radio & Cassette
$829.00 Sliding roof option
$115.00 distribution & delivery

$30.642.00 final price.

Window sticker: 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vfm9x6ajn2zw3f0/1982%20300D%20Window%20Sticker001.pdf?dl=0

Predelivery Checklist: 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/v1g6boahdq9vbcw/1982%20300D%20Predelivery001.pdf?dl=0

Might do a little more, probably won’t.  My Allen Edmonds have been begging for 
a shine, so I should probably address that.  Planning on driving the car to 
work tomorrow.  Should be fun.

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I wonder why there was no 1999 turbo diesel 4matic in the 210 chassis. 
I'd buy one of those, dark green wagon please. 
Mitch

> On November 27, 2016 at 2:15 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Seems pointless to me. Now I have heard about installing a 606 turbo in a 140
> diesel. The 606 powered turbo 140 was available in other countries I do
> believe.

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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Seems pointless to me. Now I have heard about installing a 606 turbo in a 140 
diesel. The 606 powered turbo 140 was available in other countries I do believe.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 27, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting project.
> 
> does not seem worthwhile with a running 300SDL, but interesting to know it 
> can be done.  Very short on details though.
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1989953-new-project-om606-into-w126-lwb-2.html
> 
> Has anyone heard of converting a w126 vergasser to a 300SDL?  I am interested 
> in knowing what does not just bolt up from the donor car.  I would guess that 
> a GenII 420SEL would be the simplest to convert.
> 
> The SLS of a 560SEL would be nice, but the suspension pump is hard to come by.
> 
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[MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Interesting project.

does not seem worthwhile with a running 300SDL, but interesting to know 
it can be done.  Very short on details though.




http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1989953-new-project-om606-into-w126-lwb-2.html

Has anyone heard of converting a w126 vergasser to a 300SDL?  I am 
interested in knowing what does not just bolt up from the donor car.  I 
would guess that a GenII 420SEL would be the simplest to convert.


The SLS of a 560SEL would be nice, but the suspension pump is hard to 
come by.



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Re: [MBZ] Test Refrigerant

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Iirc Jim Cathy said it's "wet" which made it unsuitable for use in AC systems. 
I've found the stuff in 20# cans to be oily which can clog up gas jets in 
heaters. We refill 1# cans for the Mr Heater at camp and about once a year I 
have to clean the jets...
Curt

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  On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Curley McLain via 
Mercedes wrote:   Is the kind they pump into your 20 lb 
tank the same, or do they pawn off 
some low grade crap for BBQ grills and forklifts?  I am guessing the 
tank exchange IS low grade crap.

> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> November 27, 2016 at 10:21 AM
> Commercial grade propane.
> It's the highest common everyday grade (refrigerant grade R-290 isn't that
> common)
> In most states not named California, HD5 is the only grade that's 
> legal for sale
> as home heating propane.
> Mitch.
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Test Refrigerant

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

I just noticed that they do not call it R-12A any longer.  It’s R-134A.  
Probably some rule about not being to replace anything in an R-12 system.

Jon


> On Nov 27, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Commercial grade propane. 
> It's the highest common everyday grade (refrigerant grade R-290 isn't that
> common)
> In most states not named California, HD5 is the only grade that's legal for 
> sale
> as home heating propane. 
> Mitch. 
> 
>> On November 27, 2016 at 11:07 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> What is "HD5"?
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/27/16 10:49 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>>> That's the advantage of Cathey Special Blend.
>>> If it leaks, just add propane until the pressures are good again.
>>> 
>>> BTW, I was looking at Linde Gas this morning, and they claimed their R290
>>> was
>>> 97.5% propane. Any reason why I should pay dollars per pound for 97%
>>> refrigerant
>>> grade when I get pounds per dollar of HD5 which is guaranteed to be 90% or
>>> higher, with up to 5% butanes and methane and 5% propylene? I already have
>>> over
>>> 3000lb of HD5 in bulk (500 gallon) cylinders. The only thing that might be
>>> bothersome is the 0-5% propylene.
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
>>> 
 On November 27, 2016 at 10:39 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
  wrote:
 
 
 I have tried this and duracool and I just do not like the blends. If you
 have
 any sort of leak at all the different elements leak at different rates
 which
 changes the mix and it does not cool.
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>> --FT
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>> or petty,
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>> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the
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Re: [MBZ] Test Refrigerant

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

You can cook with HD10 but you really need HD5 for your forklift if you don't
like gummy piston rings. 

http://www.propane101.com/propanegradesandquality.htm

> On November 27, 2016 at 11:47 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is the kind they pump into your 20 lb tank the same, or do they pawn off 
> some low grade crap for BBQ grills and forklifts?  I am guessing the 
> tank exchange IS low grade crap.

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Re: [MBZ] Test Refrigerant

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Is the kind they pump into your 20 lb tank the same, or do they pawn off 
some low grade crap for BBQ grills and forklifts?  I am guessing the 
tank exchange IS low grade crap.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
November 27, 2016 at 10:21 AM
Commercial grade propane.
It's the highest common everyday grade (refrigerant grade R-290 isn't that
common)
In most states not named California, HD5 is the only grade that's 
legal for sale

as home heating propane.
Mitch.




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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs to think about this

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The founders had inspired genius.  (most would argue divinely inspired 
genius)


If I had to guess, There were probably 2 million votes in LA county that 
were not legal votes (illegal alien, double votes, etc)   Take those 
away and maybe DJT won LA county.  Wouldn't that be a trip!

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
November 27, 2016 at 10:06 AM
This is an interesting map that shows geographic distribution of the 
vote winners by county:


http://i0.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/election-2016-county-map.png?w=600 



The article with it is somewhat interesting but seems to have a bit of 
bias:


http://metrocosm.com/election-2016-map-3d/

I saw a comment from someone that said if the blue areas prevailed it 
would be sorta like a "Hunger Games" kind of situation where the elite 
metro areas basically controlled the rest of the country, the 
residents of whom would basically have no say in the matter if not for 
the electoral college arrangement.


The article says:

As with most maps that represent information using color, red/blue 
election maps are great for communicating categorical data (in this 
case, /which candidate won county X?/). But they don’t do a very good 
job conveying magnitude  
(/how important is county X compared to other counties?/).


For example, *L.A. County 
* 
alone has a population of over *10 million*. That’s more than the 
combined population of 10 entire states. *Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode 
Island, Montana, Delaware, South Dakota, Alaska, North Dakota, 
Vermont,* and *Wyoming* together have a total population of just over 
*9 million*?


Which says that LA County could basically be the key to a Clinton 
"win" since the margin is like 1.5M votes at this point, and I think 
her margin was larger than that in LA County?  And LA County would 
basically negate the votes of 10 states that comprise a very large 
geographic area though low-density.


--FT





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Re: [MBZ] Test Refrigerant

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Commercial grade propane. 
It's the highest common everyday grade (refrigerant grade R-290 isn't that
common)
In most states not named California, HD5 is the only grade that's legal for sale
as home heating propane. 
Mitch. 

> On November 27, 2016 at 11:07 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> What is "HD5"?
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 11/27/16 10:49 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > That's the advantage of Cathey Special Blend.
> > If it leaks, just add propane until the pressures are good again.
> >
> > BTW, I was looking at Linde Gas this morning, and they claimed their R290
> > was
> > 97.5% propane. Any reason why I should pay dollars per pound for 97%
> > refrigerant
> > grade when I get pounds per dollar of HD5 which is guaranteed to be 90% or
> > higher, with up to 5% butanes and methane and 5% propylene? I already have
> > over
> > 3000lb of HD5 in bulk (500 gallon) cylinders. The only thing that might be
> > bothersome is the 0-5% propylene.
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
> >> On November 27, 2016 at 10:39 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I have tried this and duracool and I just do not like the blends. If you
> >> have
> >> any sort of leak at all the different elements leak at different rates
> >> which
> >> changes the mix and it does not cool.
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> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the
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Re: [MBZ] Test Refrigerant

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

What is "HD5"?

--FT


On 11/27/16 10:49 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

That's the advantage of Cathey Special Blend.
If it leaks, just add propane until the pressures are good again.

BTW, I was looking at Linde Gas this morning, and they claimed their R290 was
97.5% propane. Any reason why I should pay dollars per pound for 97% refrigerant
grade when I get pounds per dollar of HD5 which is guaranteed to be 90% or
higher, with up to 5% butanes and methane and 5% propylene? I already have over
3000lb of HD5 in bulk (500 gallon) cylinders. The only thing that might be
bothersome is the 0-5% propylene.

Mitch.


On November 27, 2016 at 10:39 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:


I have tried this and duracool and I just do not like the blends. If you have
any sort of leak at all the different elements leak at different rates which
changes the mix and it does not cool.

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--FT
Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large 
or petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”

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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs to think about this

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This is an interesting map that shows geographic distribution of the 
vote winners by county:


http://i0.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/election-2016-county-map.png?w=600

The article with it is somewhat interesting but seems to have a bit of 
bias:


http://metrocosm.com/election-2016-map-3d/

I saw a comment from someone that said if the blue areas prevailed it 
would be sorta like a "Hunger Games" kind of situation where the elite 
metro areas basically controlled the rest of the country, the residents 
of whom would basically have no say in the matter if not for the 
electoral college arrangement.


The article says:

As with most maps that represent information using color, red/blue 
election maps are great for communicating categorical data (in this 
case, /which candidate won county X?/). But they don’t do a very good 
job conveying magnitude  
(/how important is county X compared to other counties?/).


For example, *L.A. County 
* 
alone has a population of over *10 million*. That’s more than the 
combined population of 10 entire states. *Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode 
Island, Montana, Delaware, South Dakota, Alaska, North Dakota, Vermont,* 
and *Wyoming* together have a total population of just over *9 million*?


Which says that LA County could basically be the key to a Clinton "win" 
since the margin is like 1.5M votes at this point, and I think her 
margin was larger than that in LA County?  And LA County would basically 
negate the votes of 10 states that comprise a very large geographic area 
though low-density.


--FT


On 11/27/16 10:43 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

If anybody doesn't believe what Curley said about the Dems encouraging illegal
voting...maybe they'll believe what Obama had to say on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfgEvgVC6Qs



On November 27, 2016 at 9:39 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:
Trump won if you only take out the illegal aliens who are ineligible to
vote, but who voted anyway at the encouragement of the (J) party.

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--FT
Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”

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Re: [MBZ] I want

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Suicide doors are da bomb

--FT


On 11/27/16 8:38 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On November 27, 2016 at 8:23 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:


http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-lincoln-continental-2/#comment-1296501

“Knowledge is good”

Great minds think alike.
When I saw that (although it's not a 1964), my first thought was:
Build your own Deathmobile.
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff234/chum731/deathmobile.jpg

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Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] Test Refrigerant

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

That's the advantage of Cathey Special Blend. 
If it leaks, just add propane until the pressures are good again. 

BTW, I was looking at Linde Gas this morning, and they claimed their R290 was
97.5% propane. Any reason why I should pay dollars per pound for 97% refrigerant
grade when I get pounds per dollar of HD5 which is guaranteed to be 90% or
higher, with up to 5% butanes and methane and 5% propylene? I already have over
3000lb of HD5 in bulk (500 gallon) cylinders. The only thing that might be
bothersome is the 0-5% propylene.

Mitch. 

> On November 27, 2016 at 10:39 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have tried this and duracool and I just do not like the blends. If you have
> any sort of leak at all the different elements leak at different rates which
> changes the mix and it does not cool.

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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

If anybody doesn't believe what Curley said about the Dems encouraging illegal
voting...maybe they'll believe what Obama had to say on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfgEvgVC6Qs


> On November 27, 2016 at 9:39 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> Trump won if you only take out the illegal aliens who are ineligible to 
> vote, but who voted anyway at the encouragement of the (J) party.

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Re: [MBZ] Test Refrigerant

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have tried this and duracool and I just do not like the blends. If you have 
any sort of leak at all the different elements leak at different rates which 
changes the mix and it does not cool. You can't simply top it up you have to 
discharge and start all over. You may not have had a leak leak before with r12 
or 134 but it is possible the blend could leak. If it was super cheap it would 
be ok but most of these seem to be expensive now days.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 27, 2016, at 7:44 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hopefully this isn’t too far OT, but has anyone here ever tried Envirosafe 
> products?
> 
> http://www.es-refrigerants.com/products/w/id/14/t/refrigerant
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:07 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't pre-mix.  You want ISO-butane.  Sold as high-altitude camping
>> fuel.  If you could premix, I suspect you'd need to charge from the bottom
>> of the bottle.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Test Refrigerant

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

I have also used it with excellent results!  When the compressor blew on the 
123 (totally unrelated to the ES-12) the mech used good AC parts from a 
recently wrecked 300CD and filled with R-12. That was in 2013, and I have not 
had to charge since.

I had some cans left over, so Dimitri and I put it into his ’78 240D with a 
York compressor, and I think he had ice cold air for almost a week.  It leaked 
out.  That’s next summer’s project.

Jon


> On Nov 27, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve used the Industrial 12a-6 in my W126 and it did a great job.  My only 
> complaint was having to buy a case of the stuff as it was far cheaper than 
> just buying a few cans.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hopefully this isn’t too far OT, but has anyone here ever tried Envirosafe 
>> products?
>> 
>> http://www.es-refrigerants.com/products/w/id/14/t/refrigerant
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:07 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't pre-mix.  You want ISO-butane.  Sold as high-altitude camping
>>> fuel.  If you could premix, I suspect you'd need to charge from the bottom
>>> of the bottle.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That is a good though Curt.

Trump won the electoral college.  Game over.


Trump won if you only take out the illegal aliens who are ineligible to 
vote, but who voted anyway at the encouragement of the (J) party.  They 
know there is no punishment for illegal activities by illegal aliens in 
this country.


Then you need to take out the dead people voting

Then you need to take out the people voting multiple times

Then you need to take out the people bussed to another state to vote 
illegally


But NONE of that matters, because the states choose electors, and the 
electors vote for prez.  Trump won.  The WB itch conceded.   Jill the 
felon stein is irrelevant as is the johnson welder.


In the immortal words of Barry sotero, "we won.  Get over it"

Unfortunately Iraq runs cleaner elections.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
November 27, 2016 at 7:05 AM
I was wondering if the sour grapes committee really checked how many 
dead people voted in Illinois if Trump might get the popular vote too...


Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Test Refrigerant

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve used the Industrial 12a-6 in my W126 and it did a great job.  My only 
complaint was having to buy a case of the stuff as it was far cheaper than just 
buying a few cans.

Dan


> On Nov 27, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hopefully this isn’t too far OT, but has anyone here ever tried Envirosafe 
> products?
> 
> http://www.es-refrigerants.com/products/w/id/14/t/refrigerant
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:07 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't pre-mix.  You want ISO-butane.  Sold as high-altitude camping
>> fuel.  If you could premix, I suspect you'd need to charge from the bottom
>> of the bottle.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Test Refrigerant

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

What we're talking about here is Jim Cathey's homemade ES-12a, so you're right
on topic. 
I think Kaleb used to buy ES until he got some cylinders of R-12.
Mitch. 

> On November 27, 2016 at 8:44 AM Jon Agne via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hopefully this isn’t too far OT, but has anyone here ever tried Envirosafe
> products?
> 
> http://www.es-refrigerants.com/products/w/id/14/t/refrigerant

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Re: [MBZ] Test Refrigerant

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

Hopefully this isn’t too far OT, but has anyone here ever tried Envirosafe 
products?

http://www.es-refrigerants.com/products/w/id/14/t/refrigerant

Jon


> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:07 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't pre-mix.  You want ISO-butane.  Sold as high-altitude camping
> fuel.  If you could premix, I suspect you'd need to charge from the bottom
> of the bottle.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I want

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> On November 27, 2016 at 8:23 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-lincoln-continental-2/#comment-1296501
> 
> “Knowledge is good”

Great minds think alike. 
When I saw that (although it's not a 1964), my first thought was:
Build your own Deathmobile.
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff234/chum731/deathmobile.jpg

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[MBZ] I want

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-lincoln-continental-2/#comment-1296501

“Knowledge is good”

Dan “The Stork”



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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I was wondering if the sour grapes committee really checked how many dead 
people voted in Illinois if Trump might get the popular vote too...

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes wrote:   A few stolen votes here and there she 
could be YOUR president.

On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> +1  You can't un-see looking at the witch.  Even a pottery one with
> plants growing out of it,
>
> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> November 26, 2016 at 9:24 AM
>> Not falling for it, not clicking
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> November 26, 2016 at 7:53 AM
>> t.com/ip/Chia-Hillary-Clinton/
>>
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