Re: [MBZ] MBC's

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

In short, Karl is saying "Drive it like a 190Dc, 200D, 220D or 240D!"

Why send the pump to sweeden?  There are Bosch shops that know MB pumps 
in the US, and probably a few that "turn up" the dogde and frod pickups, 
so are not opposed to pumping a little more fuel.



Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
January 23, 2017 at 9:52 PM
The kkk spools a bit faster than the garrett. So that is the first
question. Which do you have?

The thing that will help drivability most is to just keep it floored until
you hit target speed. You should think about putting a simple pressure
nipple, tubing and gauge through the window to check the boost. If not
hitting target psi (9psi iirc) then you could get more power by turning it
up to that, or a bit beyond to 12 or so.

Otherwise the only thing that will really help spool it is putting max
throttle instantly when you start to accelerate. Check your linkages to be
sure you are maxing the pump level with pedal on the floor.

Next step you can send the pump to Sweden and they will adjust it for max
fuel, 62cc/1000 injections per injector. This livens it up a bit.

OR pay the big bucks and go for a rebuild with larger elements. But then
you start to need a bigger turbo, which gets a bit complicated.




On Jan 22, 2017 9:45 PM, "Michael Esh via Mercedes"
wrote:

Would an MBC help reduce the turbo lag my 1985 300D.  Or is fixing the lag
a totally different issue?
Mike



On Jan 22, 2017, at 8:06 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes<

mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:

Thanks Karl, I ended up getting this one:

http://www.addictiveperformance.com/Hallman-Pro-RX-Kit.php

I did look at that model you posted.  After reading up a bit, this one got
high marks.  I read a few reviews on Amazon for other cheaper models that
ended with "I bought a Hallman MBC, should have done that in the
beginning."  Made in USA, and has a ceramic ball for faster response

times.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Karl Wittnebel
wrote:


This is what I would buy:
https://m.summitracing.com/parts/tbs-ts-0101-1002?seid=
srese1_mmc=pla-google-_-shopping-_-srese1-_-turbosmart=
Cj0KEQiAzZHEBRD0ivi9_pDzgYMBEiQAtvxt-DefNr3jKWfRgWeTASm6y1kLjT6t_
HKtMHa-Gp1XLCgaAvV98P8HAQ





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Michael Esh via Mercedes 
January 22, 2017 at 11:45 PM
Would an MBC help reduce the turbo lag my 1985 300D. Or is fixing the 
lag a totally different issue?

Mike



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Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
January 22, 2017 at 7:06 PM
Thanks Karl, I ended up getting this one:

http://www.addictiveperformance.com/Hallman-Pro-RX-Kit.php

I did look at that model you posted. After reading up a bit, this one got
high marks. I read a few reviews on Amazon for other cheaper models that
ended with "I bought a Hallman MBC, should have done that in the
beginning." Made in USA, and has a ceramic ball for faster response times.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Karl Wittnebel 
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Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
January 22, 2017 at 6:41 PM
This is what I would buy:
https://m.summitracing.com/parts/tbs-ts-0101-1002?seid=srese1_mmc=pla-google-_-shopping-_-srese1-_-turbosmart=Cj0KEQiAzZHEBRD0ivi9_pDzgYMBEiQAtvxt-DefNr3jKWfRgWeTASm6y1kLjT6t_HKtMHa-Gp1XLCgaAvV98P8HAQ



On Jan 22, 2017 3:51 PM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 


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Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
January 22, 2017 at 5:51 PM
Manual Boost 

Re: [MBZ] Admin, politics on the list

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Thanks.

On Jan 22, 2017 3:45 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

The political discussions on the list have gotten out of hand lately. We
never minded them as long as people remained civil but as of late that is
not the case. From this point forward we are banning political discussions
on the list. If it continues folks will be issued a warning, and the next
violation will result in their posts being moderated. If it continues past
that point more drastic measure may be necessary.  Thank you for your
cooperation.

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Re: [MBZ] MBC's

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

The kkk spools a bit faster than the garrett. So that is the first
question. Which do you have?

The thing that will help drivability most is to just keep it floored until
you hit target speed. You should think about putting a simple pressure
nipple, tubing and gauge through the window to check the boost. If not
hitting target psi (9psi iirc) then you could get more power by turning it
up to that, or a bit beyond to 12 or so.

Otherwise the only thing that will really help spool it is putting max
throttle instantly when you start to accelerate. Check your linkages to be
sure you are maxing the pump level with pedal on the floor.

Next step you can send the pump to Sweden and they will adjust it for max
fuel, 62cc/1000 injections per injector. This livens it up a bit.

OR pay the big bucks and go for a rebuild with larger elements. But then
you start to need a bigger turbo, which gets a bit complicated.




On Jan 22, 2017 9:45 PM, "Michael Esh via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Would an MBC help reduce the turbo lag my 1985 300D.  Or is fixing the lag
a totally different issue?
Mike


> On Jan 22, 2017, at 8:06 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Karl, I ended up getting this one:
>
> http://www.addictiveperformance.com/Hallman-Pro-RX-Kit.php
>
> I did look at that model you posted.  After reading up a bit, this one got
> high marks.  I read a few reviews on Amazon for other cheaper models that
> ended with "I bought a Hallman MBC, should have done that in the
> beginning."  Made in USA, and has a ceramic ball for faster response
times.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Karl Wittnebel 
> wrote:
>
>> This is what I would buy:
>> https://m.summitracing.com/parts/tbs-ts-0101-1002?seid=
>> srese1_mmc=pla-google-_-shopping-_-srese1-_-turbosmart=
>> Cj0KEQiAzZHEBRD0ivi9_pDzgYMBEiQAtvxt-DefNr3jKWfRgWeTASm6y1kLjT6t_
>> HKtMHa-Gp1XLCgaAvV98P8HAQ
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Glad to hear it is acting better.

More boost will lower the egt though, not raise it.

How long after start does it smooth out?




On Jan 23, 2017 3:06 PM, "Meade Dillon"  wrote:

Status report:  Tonight on the drive home from work, boost was hitting as
high as 12.5 psi. I've done nothing since Saturday night, so I'm not sure
why measured boost jumped from 9.5 to 12.5 psi.  I shortened the control
rod by 1.5 turns, which my research indicated should have increased the
boost by 4.5 psi.  I initially measure 8 psi maximum boost before the
adjustment, then 9.5 psi immediately after, now I'm spot on at 12.5, which
is what I was aiming for.  I'm wondering if the seat of the waste gate
valve was fouled with carbon and not sealing well, so I could never get
full boost, but now that I've bumped up the boost, exhaust gas temperatures
are up and the spring is pulling the waste gate valve more tightly closed,
and some of the carbon has burned off?

Regardless, this is just about the boost level I was looking for.  Now
there is nary a hint of knocking / nailing, and very light smoke.  I'm
going to keep watching the boost gauge for another week or so, drive it
hard, and see if I can burn any accumulated carbon out of the pre-chambers
and get this engine back to running like normal.

On the glow plug front, now I've got a rough idle after a cold start, so I
suspect a bad plug or two has developed.  Replacing all the glow plugs may
happen very soon.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 Blackout Headlight Doors

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Bayerische Mercedes Werke?  ;D

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Blackout Headlight Doors

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 20:08:26 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> $30 Hellas:
> 
> https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002M9QJM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8=1
> 
> Just be sure to buy the ones that are from Amazon, not a third party
> seller. The ones from Amazon are actual German Hellas, the third party
> sellers are pushing Indian market knockoffs as the same thing.

It's interesting that these, 7" round, are $30 and the 4x6" rectangular
lights are more expensive:

https://www.amazon.com/HELLA-003177801-164x103mm-Conversion-Headlamp/dp/B001G72UE0/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive=UTF8=1485226828=1-1=hella+4x6+headlights
$99.44 for two

or

https://www.amazon.com/Headlight-Conversion-Replaces-Rectangular-003177862/dp/B00FAI8ZAY/ref=sr_1_2?s=automotive=UTF8=1485226828=1-2=hella+4x6+headlights
$57.62 each


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W123 Blackout Headlight Doors

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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> On Jan 23, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> +1
> 
> or "how to make your MB look like it belongs in the ghetto"
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> January 23, 2017 at 6:57 PM
>> Yuck
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Blackout Headlight Doors

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

+1

or "how to make your MB look like it belongs in the ghetto"


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 23, 2017 at 6:57 PM
Yuck

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Re: [MBZ] Today's Foreign Crack Smoker

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I meant the whole ad looks like it might be a transliteration from 
German.  Anyone know?




Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
January 23, 2017 at 6:29 PM
Direct quote from the bottom of the auction description….

D-


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Re: [MBZ] W123 Blackout Headlight Doors

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Two Thumbs down.  Hard to improve on the original.
-- 
Max Dillon
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'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Blackout Headlight Doors

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

For what it’s worth, I found that Summit Racing sells the Bosch W123 headlight 
doors for $50/each, but they order them on an as-needed basis so you have to 
wait a good 30 days to get them.  Also, they total out at $99.96 or something 
like that, and Summit gives free shipping above $99.00.

The only other new headlight doors you can get are UROs, and they’re around 
$75/each these days.  At least that’s all I could find…

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Re: [MBZ] W123 Blackout Headlight Doors

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That must have been it 0 the red with black car…

$30 Hellas:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002M9QJM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8=1

Just be sure to buy the ones that are from Amazon, not a third party seller. 
The ones from Amazon are actual German Hellas, the third party sellers are 
pushing Indian market knockoffs as the same thing.

D-



.
> On Jan 23, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 19:48:51 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> No question about that, however, from a point of stylistic view I think
>> it’s an interesting modification and one that doesn’t cost a lot of
>> money.  If you look down the thread I think there is someone who
>> matched the color of their car, which in that case was a little loud
>> (red) but it still looked sort of nice.
> 
> I saw a red TD, but it had black grille and black headlight doors.
> 
> 
>> I have Hellas installed in the 300D and I’m very pleased.  Comparing
>> them to the Euros in the W126 shows minimal difference from what I can
>> see.  A very clean cutoff and good, clearly defined beam.
>> Aesthetically they’re not as nice looking as Euros, but functionally
>> they’re quite similar.
>> 
>> And they’re only $30/each.
> 
> Well that does make quite a difference!
> 
> What model number Hellas did you get?
> 
> Where did you get them?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Blackout Headlight Doors

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 19:48:51 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> No question about that, however, from a point of stylistic view I think
> it’s an interesting modification and one that doesn’t cost a lot of
> money.  If you look down the thread I think there is someone who
> matched the color of their car, which in that case was a little loud
> (red) but it still looked sort of nice.

I saw a red TD, but it had black grille and black headlight doors.


> I have Hellas installed in the 300D and I’m very pleased.  Comparing
> them to the Euros in the W126 shows minimal difference from what I can
> see.  A very clean cutoff and good, clearly defined beam.
> Aesthetically they’re not as nice looking as Euros, but functionally
> they’re quite similar.
> 
> And they’re only $30/each.

Well that does make quite a difference!

What model number Hellas did you get?

Where did you get them?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W123 Blackout Headlight Doors

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 18:57:42 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Yuck

Well, we know what Kaleb thinks!


Craig

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> > On Jan 23, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Check out what this forum member did with his headlight doors:
> > 
> > http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w123-e-ce-d-cd-td/1418195-removing-lenses-us-spec-headlight-doors.html#post3246366
> > 
> > Discuss and comment, please.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 Blackout Headlight Doors

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Yuck

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> On Jan 23, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Check out what this forum member did with his headlight doors:
> 
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w123-e-ce-d-cd-td/1418195-removing-lenses-us-spec-headlight-doors.html#post3246366
> 
> Discuss and comment, please.
> 
> D-
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Blackout Headlight Doors

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No question about that, however, from a point of stylistic view I think it’s an 
interesting modification and one that doesn’t cost a lot of money.  If you look 
down the thread I think there is someone who matched the color of their car, 
which in that case was a little loud (red) but it still looked sort of nice.

I have Hellas installed in the 300D and I’m very pleased.  Comparing them to 
the Euros in the W126 shows minimal difference from what I can see.  A very 
clean cutoff and good, clearly defined beam.  Aesthetically they’re not as nice 
looking as Euros, but functionally they’re quite similar.

And they’re only $30/each.

D-

 
> On Jan 23, 2017, at 7:43 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 19:25:20 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Check out what this forum member did with his headlight doors:
>> 
>> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w123-e-ce-d-cd-td/1418195-removing-lenses-us-spec-headlight-doors.html#post3246366
>> 
>> Discuss and comment, please.
> 
> He also painted the grille insert black.
> 
> I like Euro headlights better (and they work better, too).
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Blackout Headlight Doors

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 19:25:20 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Check out what this forum member did with his headlight doors:
> 
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w123-e-ce-d-cd-td/1418195-removing-lenses-us-spec-headlight-doors.html#post3246366
> 
> Discuss and comment, please.

He also painted the grille insert black.

I like Euro headlights better (and they work better, too).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Today's Foreign Crack Smoker

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Direct quote from the bottom of the auction description….

D-

> On Jan 23, 2017, at 6:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Direct transliteration from German?
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> January 23, 2017 at 5:06 PM
>> "All tool are wery old look picture”
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-Hazet-DOWIDAT-MESSKO-FELO-300SL-goolwing-Ponton-toolkit-tool-bag-/172495436005?hash=item28298778e5:g:cO8AAOSw-0xYg0Du=172495436005=mtr
>> 
>> or
>> 
>> http://tinyurl.com/zlj65ku
>> 
>> D-
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[MBZ] W123 Blackout Headlight Doors

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Check out what this forum member did with his headlight doors:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w123-e-ce-d-cd-td/1418195-removing-lenses-us-spec-headlight-doors.html#post3246366

Discuss and comment, please.

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Re: [MBZ] Today's Foreign Crack Smoker

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Direct transliteration from German?


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
January 23, 2017 at 5:06 PM
"All tool are wery old look picture”

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-Hazet-DOWIDAT-MESSKO-FELO-300SL-goolwing-Ponton-toolkit-tool-bag-/172495436005?hash=item28298778e5:g:cO8AAOSw-0xYg0Du=172495436005=mtr

or

http://tinyurl.com/zlj65ku

D-


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Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe for Kyle

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That started with the 126 coupe.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
January 23, 2017 at 4:12 PM
Wasn’t sure. I know that some coupes in the various model lines had no 
hood stars but grille stars, like the W140.


Easy enough to change.

Dan





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[MBZ] Today's Foreign Crack Smoker

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

"All tool are wery old look picture”

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-Hazet-DOWIDAT-MESSKO-FELO-300SL-goolwing-Ponton-toolkit-tool-bag-/172495436005?hash=item28298778e5:g:cO8AAOSw-0xYg0Du=172495436005=mtr

or

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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Status report:  Tonight on the drive home from work, boost was hitting as
high as 12.5 psi. I've done nothing since Saturday night, so I'm not sure
why measured boost jumped from 9.5 to 12.5 psi.  I shortened the control
rod by 1.5 turns, which my research indicated should have increased the
boost by 4.5 psi.  I initially measure 8 psi maximum boost before the
adjustment, then 9.5 psi immediately after, now I'm spot on at 12.5, which
is what I was aiming for.  I'm wondering if the seat of the waste gate
valve was fouled with carbon and not sealing well, so I could never get
full boost, but now that I've bumped up the boost, exhaust gas temperatures
are up and the spring is pulling the waste gate valve more tightly closed,
and some of the carbon has burned off?

Regardless, this is just about the boost level I was looking for.  Now
there is nary a hint of knocking / nailing, and very light smoke.  I'm
going to keep watching the boost gauge for another week or so, drive it
hard, and see if I can burn any accumulated carbon out of the pre-chambers
and get this engine back to running like normal.

On the glow plug front, now I've got a rough idle after a cold start, so I
suspect a bad plug or two has developed.  Replacing all the glow plugs may
happen very soon.

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Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe for Kyle

[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

True OK Don...

Better a Benz than drugs... I probably would sell my body for a new
injection pump, installed, and tuned injectors tho... But I have my limits!
Hahahah

Kyle

On Jan 23, 2017 5:39 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Yup. you're addicted now . . . it's a slippery slope and all down hill from
here. "Need" has nothing to do with it!

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Oh your killing me!!! Want but don't need...
>
> There is actually an old MB sedan on the side of a county road out this
> way. Not sure what it is but have a friend taking pictures and getting the
> number tomorrow... We shall see.
>
> Kyle
>
>
>


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for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe for Kyle

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yup. you're addicted now . . . it's a slippery slope and all down hill from
here. "Need" has nothing to do with it!

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Oh your killing me!!! Want but don't need...
>
> There is actually an old MB sedan on the side of a county road out this
> way. Not sure what it is but have a friend taking pictures and getting the
> number tomorrow... We shall see.
>
> Kyle
>
>
>


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*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a euro 124 coupe?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Missing two doors lowers the complexity and parts count, making it more
reliable and stronger - thus more "Mercedes". What is wrong is the little
230 engine . . .

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Nobody needs a coupe.  They are missing 2 doors!  An inferior rendering of
> a 124.
>
>
>>


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for themselves."

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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe for Kyle

[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

Oh your killing me!!! Want but don't need...

There is actually an old MB sedan on the side of a county road out this
way. Not sure what it is but have a friend taking pictures and getting the
number tomorrow... We shall see.

Kyle

On Jan 23, 2017 3:02 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Here's one close to home:
>
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5972159056.html
>
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe for Kyle

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Wasn’t sure.  I know that some coupes in the various model lines had no hood 
stars but grille stars, like the W140.

Easy enough to change.

Dan


> On Jan 23, 2017, at 5:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The 124 coupe is supposed to have a regular grille and hood star 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe for Kyle

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The 124 coupe is supposed to have a regular grille and hood star 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 23, 2017, at 4:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If it’s a coupe it should have a grille star on most later models.  This one 
> looks like it might have a hood badge in lieu of a hood star.  Someone might 
> have swapped a sedan hood on it.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If it has both a grill star and a hood star, it's not original. 
>> Mitch. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe for Kyle

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If it’s a coupe it should have a grille star on most later models.  This one 
looks like it might have a hood badge in lieu of a hood star.  Someone might 
have swapped a sedan hood on it.

Dan


> On Jan 23, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If it has both a grill star and a hood star, it's not original. 
> Mitch. 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Yesterday's Fun - 300D

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would never foul my beloved Bosch dishwasher with such nasty stuff.  I’ve 
tried for years to get a Bosch in the house, and now that I have one I guard it 
carefully.

Dan


> On Jan 23, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have heard that if you want to get divorced, cleaning your chainsaw in the 
> dishwasher is likely to provide sufficient grounds for your wife to file her 
> petition.
> 
> RB
> 


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Re: [MBZ] MBC's

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

No, I'm not venturing that far into the horsepower band.  Others have done 
this, but none of what I've read so far indicates that anyone else had this 
problem.

This afternoon on the drive home, my boost gauge indicated about 12.5 psi 
boost, and the car is really driving well now.  There is still a hint of knock, 
I expect that to clear up as I burn out the carbon.  I don't know why I didn't 
get this boost after the initial adjustment, maybe the waste gate seat was 
dirty with carbon, and constantly leaking?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On January 23, 2017 4:48:11 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>So are you adding an exhaust gas pyrometer to the white whale in 
>addition to upping the fuel and the boost?   (best practice)
>
>Have you tried to contact any of the crazy Finns about this issue? 
>They 
>might have the answer, as I am sure one of them has put a later IP on
>an 
>OM603.
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>> January 23, 2017 at 2:37 PM
>> Yes, unless the over-boost protection circuit kicked in to limit
>fuel.
>> With increasing boost, the temperature of the charge air goes up,
>which
>> directly translates to higher exhaust gas temperatures. Increasing
>the
>> boost without adding fuel just adds heat, which is not very nice in
>terms
>> of engine wear. No gain in performance, shortens engine life. I don't
>> know if piston meltdown would still be a risk if the fuel were
>limited by
>> cutting off the signal to the ALDA, don't really want to know.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
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Re: [MBZ] MBC's

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

So are you adding an exhaust gas pyrometer to the white whale in 
addition to upping the fuel and the boost?   (best practice)


Have you tried to contact any of the crazy Finns about this issue?  They 
might have the answer, as I am sure one of them has put a later IP on an 
OM603.

Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
January 23, 2017 at 2:37 PM
Yes, unless the over-boost protection circuit kicked in to limit fuel.
With increasing boost, the temperature of the charge air goes up, which
directly translates to higher exhaust gas temperatures. Increasing the
boost without adding fuel just adds heat, which is not very nice in terms
of engine wear. No gain in performance, shortens engine life. I don't
know if piston meltdown would still be a risk if the fuel were limited by
cutting off the signal to the ALDA, don't really want to know.

-
Max
Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a euro 124 coupe?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Nobody needs a coupe.  They are missing 2 doors!  An inferior rendering 
of a 124.



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
January 23, 2017 at 1:41 PM
It's a coupe. You DO need it!



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Re: [MBZ] MBC's

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, unless the over-boost protection circuit kicked in to limit fuel.
With increasing boost, the temperature of the charge air goes up, which
directly translates to higher exhaust gas temperatures.  Increasing the
boost without adding fuel just adds heat, which is not very nice in terms
of engine wear.  No gain in performance, shortens engine life.  I don't
know if piston meltdown would still be a risk if the fuel were limited by
cutting off the signal to the ALDA, don't really want to know.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 3:30 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Would it, with fuel limited by the IP? Too lean isn't much of a problem in
> Diesels, IIRC.
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >   Over boosting for too long can very quickly lead to
> > piston meltdown.
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> > --
> >
> OK Don
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] MBC's

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Would it, with fuel limited by the IP? Too lean isn't much of a problem in
Diesels, IIRC.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>   Over boosting for too long can very quickly lead to
> piston meltdown.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> --
>
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] MBC's

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

A better idea would be to just pinch off the hose, assuming an external
waste-gate. I would only do this with a boost gauge of some-sort in place,
even a Mity-vac that has a pressure reading option, so that before / after
can be compared.  Over boosting for too long can very quickly lead to
piston meltdown.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> One way to test that would be to unhook the boost line to the wastegate
> and see if it builds boost faster. Just to test it, not to go driving
> around all day without a wastegate, even though that's a lot less dangerous
> with a diesel than with a gas engine.
> Mitch.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe for Kyle

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

If it has both a grill star and a hood star, it's not original. 
Mitch. 
 
> On January 23, 2017 at 3:10 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is that grill original? I really dislike that huge star in the grill. 
> Way overstated, in my opinion.
> 
> RB
> 
> On 23/01/2017 2:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > Here's one close to home:
> >
> > http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5972159056.html
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Yesterday's Fun - 300D

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I have heard that if you want to get divorced, cleaning your chainsaw in 
the dishwasher is likely to provide sufficient grounds for your wife to 
file her petition.


RB

On 23/01/2017 2:09 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:


I've heard that a great way to clean a chainsaw that you're restoring is to put 
all the pieces in the dishwasher when the wife isn't home.
I've also heard it's a good idea to run another cycle with the washer empty 
before you put the dishes back in it.

Mitch




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Re: [MBZ] MBC's

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

One way to test that would be to unhook the boost line to the wastegate 
and see if it builds boost faster. Just to test it, not to go driving around 
all day without a wastegate, even though that's a lot less dangerous with a 
diesel than with a gas engine. 
Mitch. 


> On January 23, 2017 at 12:08 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> However, if you can believe the sales literature, the MBC can cause boost
> to build faster (at an earlier RPM).  If your waste-gate control valve has
> a weak spring and is opening early, or leaking, then the MBC can help.
>

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Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe for Kyle

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Is that grill original? I really dislike that huge star in the grill. 
Way overstated, in my opinion.


RB

On 23/01/2017 2:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Here's one close to home:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5972159056.html

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Yesterday's Fun - 300D

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 23, 2017 at 10:28 AM Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> I do draw the line at using the dishwasher for parts cleaning, however. I've 
> occasionally looked for a large ultrasonic cleaner but can't really justify 
> the space for it.


I've heard that a great way to clean a chainsaw that you're restoring is to put 
all the pieces in the dishwasher when the wife isn't home. 
I've also heard it's a good idea to run another cycle with the washer empty 
before you put the dishes back in it. 

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] W124 Coupe for Kyle

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Assuming it has no driving issues, that is a very clean car for the money.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Here's one close to home:
>
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5972159056.html
>
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[MBZ] W124 Coupe for Kyle

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Here's one close to home:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5972159056.html

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a euro 124 coupe?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Not sure. I thought the euro climate control had a separate button for the ac 
compressor but I don't see such a button on this one.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 23, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks like dual-zone manual climate control, wonder if it has AC?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1988 Mercedes 230
>> http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/5941365399.html
>> 
>> via cPro for Craigslist
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[MBZ] Anybody want a euro 124 coupe?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

1988 Mercedes 230
http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/5941365399.html

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Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android


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Re: [MBZ] Yesterday's Fun - 300D

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Text size is purely a function of your mail client (software.) The listserv 
just sends out the plain text, your computer decides how to format and display 
it.

Dan

> On Jan 23, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan --
> 
>It appears the double posts have been stopped but the text is very small. 
> Could these actions be related?  The text in your post below is normal but in 
> the original email the text is very small.
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
>> On 01/22/2017 9:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> When I adjusted valves a few weeks ago I found the valve cover seal was 
>> pretty hard.  There was a spare valve cover seal in the box ‘o’ parts the PO 
>> gave me with the car, but it definitely wasn’t a Mercedes part and seemed a 
>> little hard to me, so I ordered one from the dealer.
>> 
>> So yesterday I pulled the valve cover to replace the seal.  At the same time 
>> I polished up the whole valve cover, making it nice and shiny.  I also 
>> pulled the air cleaner housing and disassembled it as best I could.  I 
>> knocked off the rusty parts with the polisher and sprayed it with a new coat 
>> of semi gloss black.  When I was getting ready to install the air cleaner 
>> housing I noticed the accordion hose and the plastic “air scoop” on the 
>> radiator support were kind of grungy, too, so I cleaned them up as well.
>> 
>> So here’s what it looks like now:
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xpp4s8qoqg5197w/DSC_1751.jpg?dl=0
>> 
>> Earlier in the week I got the armrest I was looking for from “Reinvent The 
>> Wheel”, a place that sells a lot of Mercedes used parts.  I used it to 
>> replace the stock armrest on the driver’s door, which doesn’t have the “grab 
>> handle” that the other three doors does.  Along with that I got the trim 
>> piece that goes around the door handle release, too.
>> 
>> I haven’t decided if I like it yet or not.  If I hike up my left leg towards 
>> the door it gets caught between the handle and the steering wheel somewhat.  
>> Here’s what it looks like, before and after:
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/vnqfdzmnws0sgpn/IMG_1346.jpg?dl=0
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/78zrgjfl8lk7i4y/IMG_1352.jpg?dl=0
>> 
>> Rear window seal and tube of Mercedes window sealant came in on Friday.  
>> Next weekend I’ll tackle R’ing the rear window seal.  Ugh.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Yesterday's Fun - 300D

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Thanks, Dan. I'll use your method soon as I get back in the shop.
Gerry
~
Dan wrote:
> Gerry,
> Good to see you!
> I used some 3M wheel with these little orange spines. It's probably as 
> aggressive as a wire wheel, but seems a little gentler, if that makes sense.  
> I believe it's called a Scotchbrite radial bristle wheel if memory serves me 
> correctly.
> 
> It did leave some fine scratches, but took a lot of the accumulated grunge 
> off with minimum effort.
> 
> Before I put the wheel to it I cleaned it with a scrub brush and Simple 
> Green, then popped it in a low oven (170F) to dry it out.
> 
> I did the same with the oil filler cap, too.
> 
> I'll be interested to see how long it retains the shiny surface. The engine 
> doesn't have leaks or anything flying around as far as fluids, so I'm hoping 
> it will stay that way for a while.
> 
> For what it's worth I added some wavy washers under the valve cover nuts, 
> too. There seems to be some confusion as to whether or not there should be a 
> washer under these (Mercedes says not based on the EPC) but some claim it's 
> necessary to prevent leakage of oil and oil mist from the valve area.
> 
> Dan
 
> > Nice! 
> > What did you use to clean the valve cover?
> > Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Yesterday's Fun - 300D

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Dan --

It appears the double posts have been stopped but the text is very 
small. Could these actions be related?  The text in your post below is 
normal but in the original email the text is very small.


Larry


On 01/22/2017 9:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

When I adjusted valves a few weeks ago I found the valve cover seal was pretty 
hard.  There was a spare valve cover seal in the box ‘o’ parts the PO gave me 
with the car, but it definitely wasn’t a Mercedes part and seemed a little hard 
to me, so I ordered one from the dealer.

So yesterday I pulled the valve cover to replace the seal.  At the same time I 
polished up the whole valve cover, making it nice and shiny.  I also pulled the 
air cleaner housing and disassembled it as best I could.  I knocked off the 
rusty parts with the polisher and sprayed it with a new coat of semi gloss 
black.  When I was getting ready to install the air cleaner housing I noticed 
the accordion hose and the plastic “air scoop” on the radiator support were 
kind of grungy, too, so I cleaned them up as well.

So here’s what it looks like now:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xpp4s8qoqg5197w/DSC_1751.jpg?dl=0

Earlier in the week I got the armrest I was looking for from “Reinvent The 
Wheel”, a place that sells a lot of Mercedes used parts.  I used it to replace 
the stock armrest on the driver’s door, which doesn’t have the “grab handle” 
that the other three doors does.  Along with that I got the trim piece that 
goes around the door handle release, too.

I haven’t decided if I like it yet or not.  If I hike up my left leg towards 
the door it gets caught between the handle and the steering wheel somewhat.  
Here’s what it looks like, before and after:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vnqfdzmnws0sgpn/IMG_1346.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/78zrgjfl8lk7i4y/IMG_1352.jpg?dl=0

Rear window seal and tube of Mercedes window sealant came in on Friday.  Next 
weekend I’ll tackle R’ing the rear window seal.  Ugh.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 2005 VW fun

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Attaboy!!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2014 Beetle TDI Convertible AKA Cheetle Beetle

Sent from my cell   

> On Jan 23, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Some of you might remember the other day when I bent the oil pan on the 2005 
> Golf TDI. I had that replaced and a metal skid plate (common upgrade) 
> installed. 
> On my way home from the garage the car made a weird sound and went way down 
> on power. The loss of power was consistent with "limp home" mode. I restarted 
> the car and it got better but was still somewhat down on power and now making 
> a weird wooshing noise. Later that night the CEL (check engine light) came 
> on. Codes said implausible signal from the MAF (mass air flow) sensor and bad 
> boost modulation. 
> The interwebs suggested a boost leak so Saturday I started looking. Found it 
> at the connection from the turbo to the intercooler. When I loaded the car 
> onto the tow dolly to take it to the garage I smacked the bottom edge of the 
> bumper on the dolly which seems to have jogged the clip that holds the pipe. 
> I hate how low this car is...
> I couldn't see how the clip worked so I had to pull off the bumper which is 
> actually pretty easy. It took a LOT of fiddling but I finally got the how of 
> the clip and got it all back together. I also took a minute to zip tie the 
> beat up intercooler duct back into shape.
> While I was there I drained maybe 2oz of motor oil out of the pipe to the 
> intercooler, this is supposed to be normal, what I've found since is the 
> little puff of black smoke on startup is gone and the car seems a little more 
> powerful. I think on startup a little of that oil was finding its way into 
> the engine and the oil was maybe hurting the airflow a little...
> Anyway, love these cheap fixes.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Yesterday's Fun - 300D

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, I'm not exactly sure how to go about cleaning that inner fender. It 
appears to be from oil mist, I'm guessing, but it's pretty well dug in.

The brake fluid reservoir is actually pretty new, and I haven't had a chance to 
attack the windshield washer bottle yet.

If there are any suggestions for noninvasive approaches to cleaning this area, 
I'm all ears. I've taken some 3M adhesive removed to it and that hardly makes a 
dent, which concerns me. That stuff is pretty brutal. I've rarely encountered a 
situation where it doesn't make a dent.

Dan

> On Jan 23, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Left (passenger) side of the engine bay looks fantastic!  Right side, eh,
> now you need to replace the washer fluid reservoir and the brake fluid
> reservoir, and clean that inner fender.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> When I adjusted valves a few weeks ago I found the valve cover seal was
>> pretty hard.  There was a spare valve cover seal in the box ‘o’ parts the
>> PO gave me with the car, but it definitely wasn’t a Mercedes part and
>> seemed a little hard to me, so I ordered one from the dealer.
>> 
>> So yesterday I pulled the valve cover to replace the seal.  At the same
>> time I polished up the whole valve cover, making it nice and shiny.  I also
>> pulled the air cleaner housing and disassembled it as best I could.  I
>> knocked off the rusty parts with the polisher and sprayed it with a new
>> coat of semi gloss black.  When I was getting ready to install the air
>> cleaner housing I noticed the accordion hose and the plastic “air scoop” on
>> the radiator support were kind of grungy, too, so I cleaned them up as well.
>> 
>> So here’s what it looks like now:
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xpp4s8qoqg5197w/DSC_1751.jpg?dl=0
>> 
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[MBZ] OT: 2005 VW fun

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Some of you might remember the other day when I bent the oil pan on the 2005 
Golf TDI. I had that replaced and a metal skid plate (common upgrade) 
installed. 
On my way home from the garage the car made a weird sound and went way down on 
power. The loss of power was consistent with "limp home" mode. I restarted the 
car and it got better but was still somewhat down on power and now making a 
weird wooshing noise. Later that night the CEL (check engine light) came on. 
Codes said implausible signal from the MAF (mass air flow) sensor and bad boost 
modulation. 
The interwebs suggested a boost leak so Saturday I started looking. Found it at 
the connection from the turbo to the intercooler. When I loaded the car onto 
the tow dolly to take it to the garage I smacked the bottom edge of the bumper 
on the dolly which seems to have jogged the clip that holds the pipe. I hate 
how low this car is...
I couldn't see how the clip worked so I had to pull off the bumper which is 
actually pretty easy. It took a LOT of fiddling but I finally got the how of 
the clip and got it all back together. I also took a minute to zip tie the beat 
up intercooler duct back into shape.
While I was there I drained maybe 2oz of motor oil out of the pipe to the 
intercooler, this is supposed to be normal, what I've found since is the little 
puff of black smoke on startup is gone and the car seems a little more 
powerful. I think on startup a little of that oil was finding its way into the 
engine and the oil was maybe hurting the airflow a little...
Anyway, love these cheap fixes.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] More progress on the BRV

[G Mann via Mercedes]

That should be entertaining. hahaha..

Actually... there is a steel scrap yard here that has the Yuggge
shredders that will take a full size vehicle and reduce it to tiny shreds
in about 10 minutes... That might be more satisfying.. plus.. they buy the
scrap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRaOMbLyfdw

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:47 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:

> I like his wife's suggestion. I did a quick youtube search but did not get
> any hits about dynamite and vans. Perhaps it should be driven to Grant's
> place, where you can place a stick of dynamite in it, and try to ignite it
> with the .50 caliber rifle . . . and be sure to make and post a video!
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Please note that I deleted a bunch of the original post.
> >
> > I guess my thoughts are - "why are you beating yourself up on this?"
> > It is old, and it is likely not worth much and you want to be rid of it.
> > Just sell it as is and be done with it. It is not likely going to sell
> for
> > a whole lot more no matter how much you do to it.
> > Just dump it and get on with life. Be happy.
> >
> > RB
> >
> >
> > On 21/01/2017 9:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> I finally got the. . . .
> >>
> >>  She suggested we put a stick of dynamite under it.
> >>
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] More progress on the BRV

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I like his wife's suggestion. I did a quick youtube search but did not get
any hits about dynamite and vans. Perhaps it should be driven to Grant's
place, where you can place a stick of dynamite in it, and try to ignite it
with the .50 caliber rifle . . . and be sure to make and post a video!

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Please note that I deleted a bunch of the original post.
>
> I guess my thoughts are - "why are you beating yourself up on this?"
> It is old, and it is likely not worth much and you want to be rid of it.
> Just sell it as is and be done with it. It is not likely going to sell for
> a whole lot more no matter how much you do to it.
> Just dump it and get on with life. Be happy.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 21/01/2017 9:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I finally got the. . . .
>>
>>  She suggested we put a stick of dynamite under it.
>>
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] random trump fan

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Attaboy!

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> NEVER!
>
> Sorry boys. I would not molest a beautiful wagon like what I have
>
> Kyle
>
> On Jan 23, 2017 11:42 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Maybe not, but he's getting there...
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Back on post, I think this is what Kyle has planned for Andrew's old
> > wagon?
> > >
> > > -
> > > Max
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > AAnybody else catch this? Washington post or the NY times I think.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] random trump fan

[Kyle Arola via Mercedes]

NEVER!

Sorry boys. I would not molest a beautiful wagon like what I have

Kyle

On Jan 23, 2017 11:42 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Maybe not, but he's getting there...
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Back on post, I think this is what Kyle has planned for Andrew's old
> wagon?
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > AAnybody else catch this? Washington post or the NY times I think.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] More progress on the BRV

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Please note that I deleted a bunch of the original post.

I guess my thoughts are - "why are you beating yourself up on this?"
It is old, and it is likely not worth much and you want to be rid of it.
Just sell it as is and be done with it. It is not likely going to sell 
for a whole lot more no matter how much you do to it.

Just dump it and get on with life. Be happy.

RB


On 21/01/2017 9:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

I finally got the. . . .

I find this vehicle frustrating and disgusting, much more so than the '94
E420 we had. That was a worthwhile vehicle and worth fixing. This is
rusty and beat up and we plan on selling it before we head to Indiana.

I should be more diligent in working on it so I can get it out of the way
and get to other things which are important (like fixing the 240D/3.0).

I was expressing my frustration to Shirley of finally getting the dash off
and finding yet more things I have to disassemble -- not only is there the
box which contains the heater core, but ducts on the bottom side of the
dash for the dash vents and ducts underneath the front window for the
defrosters. She suggested we put a stick of dynamite under it.


Craig




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Re: [MBZ] Yesterday's Fun - 300D

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Left (passenger) side of the engine bay looks fantastic!  Right side, eh,
now you need to replace the washer fluid reservoir and the brake fluid
reservoir, and clean that inner fender.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> When I adjusted valves a few weeks ago I found the valve cover seal was
> pretty hard.  There was a spare valve cover seal in the box ‘o’ parts the
> PO gave me with the car, but it definitely wasn’t a Mercedes part and
> seemed a little hard to me, so I ordered one from the dealer.
>
> So yesterday I pulled the valve cover to replace the seal.  At the same
> time I polished up the whole valve cover, making it nice and shiny.  I also
> pulled the air cleaner housing and disassembled it as best I could.  I
> knocked off the rusty parts with the polisher and sprayed it with a new
> coat of semi gloss black.  When I was getting ready to install the air
> cleaner housing I noticed the accordion hose and the plastic “air scoop” on
> the radiator support were kind of grungy, too, so I cleaned them up as well.
>
> So here’s what it looks like now:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xpp4s8qoqg5197w/DSC_1751.jpg?dl=0
>
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Re: [MBZ] MBC's

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Mitch is probably right that an ALDA adjustment should be the first step.
Reducing or removing the shim would have same effect as turning the screw
in.

However, if you can believe the sales literature, the MBC can cause boost
to build faster (at an earlier RPM).  If your waste-gate control valve has
a weak spring and is opening early, or leaking, then the MBC can help.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
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> Would an MBC help reduce the turbo lag my 1985 300D.  Or is fixing the lag
> a totally different issue?
> Mike
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] random trump fan

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Maybe not, but he's getting there...

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Back on post, I think this is what Kyle has planned for Andrew's old wagon?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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>
> > AAnybody else catch this? Washington post or the NY times I think.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Wilton - Your Neighborhood?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My college roommate's '64 Rambler was quite a piece of work.  He ended up
taking a sledge hammer to it after dropping it off at the crusher.

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 6:25 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
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> 'Haven't been by there in coupla years.  Looked worse than the photos last
> time I saw it.
>
> Wilton
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> To: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
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> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wilton - Your Neighborhood?
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>
> are those photos current?  Seems like the owner (who ever that might be)
>> would do a little mowing to minimize damage to the paintwork and possible
>> rodent habitation.
>>
>> Gremlins and Pacers -= 2 of the least loved vehicles in history ;-)
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> On 01/22/2017 12:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Wilton,
>>>
>>> Do you know this place in Pikeville?  It appears to still be there based
>>> on Google Earth.
>>>
>>> http://www.amcrc.com/feature/march2007feature.html
>>>
>>> 35°29'21.98”N   77°58'56.03”W
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Inj pumps

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have heard of their nozzles and glow plugs but never ip

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> On Jan 23, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
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> 
> I believe it's "Monark" but I could be wrong.
> 
> Excellent stuff.  Still German made, too, I think. I've got a set of their 
> nozzles in my 603 injectors, getting ready to order a set for the W123.
> 
> Dan
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>> On Jan 23, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Was browsing some parts listings and saw some Monarch Injection Pumps - what 
>> is the collected opinion of Monarch?
>> 
>> LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] Yesterday's Fun - 300D

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

It's rare that I do, I couldn't justify the hassle. It's usually a bucket of 
suds and a brush in the side yard.

Dan

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> On Jan 23, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> Get an old dishwasher and just hook a hose to it, you can run it outside if 
> you need to wash stuff
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 1/23/17 10:28 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Heh. It would be the one I cook in, but no.
>> 
>> We have an "outdoor kitchen" on our lanai with a gas stove/range. We do cook 
>> in it when the weather is warm to reduce the heat load on the house.  Since 
>> it's outside it's fairly easy to do stuff like this, or use it to set the 
>> paint on my air cleaner housing after I paint it. It clears out rather 
>> quickly, and I've never found any residual odors from non-foodstuffs I've 
>> put in it.
>> 
>> I do draw the line at using the dishwasher for parts cleaning, however. I've 
>> occasionally looked for a large ultrasonic cleaner but can't really justify 
>> the space for it.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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>>> On Jan 23, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 09:06:38 -0500 Dan--- via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Before I put the wheel to it I cleaned it with a scrub brush and Simple
 Green, then popped it in a low oven (170F) to dry it out.
>>> The one in the kitchen your wife cooks in?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Inj pumps

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I believe it's "Monark" but I could be wrong.

Excellent stuff.  Still German made, too, I think. I've got a set of their 
nozzles in my 603 injectors, getting ready to order a set for the W123.

Dan

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> On Jan 23, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
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> Was browsing some parts listings and saw some Monarch Injection Pumps - what 
> is the collected opinion of Monarch?
> 
> LarryT
> 
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[MBZ] Inj pumps

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Was browsing some parts listings and saw some Monarch Injection Pumps - 
what is the collected opinion of Monarch?


LarryT

91 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Yesterday's Fun - 300D

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Get an old dishwasher and just hook a hose to it, you can run it outside 
if you need to wash stuff


--FT


On 1/23/17 10:28 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Heh. It would be the one I cook in, but no.

We have an "outdoor kitchen" on our lanai with a gas stove/range. We do cook in 
it when the weather is warm to reduce the heat load on the house.  Since it's outside 
it's fairly easy to do stuff like this, or use it to set the paint on my air cleaner 
housing after I paint it. It clears out rather quickly, and I've never found any residual 
odors from non-foodstuffs I've put in it.

I do draw the line at using the dishwasher for parts cleaning, however. I've 
occasionally looked for a large ultrasonic cleaner but can't really justify the 
space for it.

Dan

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On Jan 23, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 09:06:38 -0500 Dan--- via Mercedes
 wrote:


Before I put the wheel to it I cleaned it with a scrub brush and Simple
Green, then popped it in a low oven (170F) to dry it out.

The one in the kitchen your wife cooks in?


Craig

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petty,
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Yesterday's Fun - 300D

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Heh. It would be the one I cook in, but no.

We have an "outdoor kitchen" on our lanai with a gas stove/range. We do cook in 
it when the weather is warm to reduce the heat load on the house.  Since it's 
outside it's fairly easy to do stuff like this, or use it to set the paint on 
my air cleaner housing after I paint it. It clears out rather quickly, and I've 
never found any residual odors from non-foodstuffs I've put in it.

I do draw the line at using the dishwasher for parts cleaning, however. I've 
occasionally looked for a large ultrasonic cleaner but can't really justify the 
space for it.

Dan

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> On Jan 23, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 09:06:38 -0500 Dan--- via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Before I put the wheel to it I cleaned it with a scrub brush and Simple
>> Green, then popped it in a low oven (170F) to dry it out.
> 
> The one in the kitchen your wife cooks in?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] MBC's

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Thanks for responding Mitch.  The Alda is still sealed and I would kinda like 
to keep it that way. Does removing shims have the same effect/affect?  I 
cleaned the line that comes from the back of the block and although it was 
fairly dirty it did not improve the lag issue. Does the valve/relay that this 
line runs into go bad?
Thanks


Michael E. Esh


> On Jan 23, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> 
>> On January 23, 2017 at 7:25 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I thought the high stall speed 1985 *TORQUE CONVERTER* was supposed to cut 
>> down on perceived lag?
> 
> 
> Oops, I didn't mean to say high stall speed *turbo*.
> Fixed it above.
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Re: [MBZ] Yesterday's Fun - 300D

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 09:06:38 -0500 Dan--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Before I put the wheel to it I cleaned it with a scrub brush and Simple
> Green, then popped it in a low oven (170F) to dry it out.

The one in the kitchen your wife cooks in?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Yesterday's Fun - 300D

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Gerry,

Good to see you!

I used some 3M wheel with these little orange spines. It's probably as 
aggressive as a wire wheel, but seems a little gentler, if that makes sense.  I 
believe it's called a Scotchbrite radial bristle wheel if memory serves me 
correctly.

It did leave some fine scratches, but took a lot of the accumulated grunge off 
with minimum effort.

Before I put the wheel to it I cleaned it with a scrub brush and Simple Green, 
then popped it in a low oven (170F) to dry it out.

I did the same with the oil filler cap, too.

I'll be interested to see how long it retains the shiny surface. The engine 
doesn't have leaks or anything flying around as far as fluids, so I'm hoping it 
will stay that way for a while.

For what it's worth I added some wavy washers under the valve cover nuts, too. 
There seems to be some confusion as to whether or not there should be a washer 
under these (Mercedes says not based on the EPC) but some claim it's necessary 
to prevent leakage of oil and oil mist from the valve area.

Dan

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> Nice! 
> What did you use to clean the valve cover?
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Re: [MBZ] My 124 is idling rough (91 300D 2.5Turbo)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

A badge of incompetence


Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
January 23, 2017 at 6:26 AM
Ouch. That doesn't give one confidence in their competence, does it?

Mitch.





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Re: [MBZ] My 124 is idling rough (91 300D 2.5Turbo)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

1/8 to 1/4 turn is all you need to loosen.  You are just trying to allow 
the copper washer to recenter.  Yes, I'd have the springs, copper seals 
and orings ready to go.



Larry Turner via Mercedes 
January 23, 2017 at 5:37 AM
I've done this kind of torquing on cylinder heads but have a 
question.  When you say to tighten then loosen do you think loosening 
by 1/2 turn would do it or should I remove all strain?


At the moment I am considering taking Peter's advice to replace the 
spring, o-ring and copper washer Vs just re-torquing.


I think you said try re-torquing 1st and be ready to replace the guts 
if that doesn't work?  I think that's what I'll try.  Maybe I'll even 
try it when my wife gets home from work one day this week rather than 
waiting for her day off.


But I'll go ahead and get the parts from the dealer so I'll have them 
just in case.


Thanks Gang!

LarryT

91 300D





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Larry Turner via Mercedes 
January 22, 2017 at 4:44 PM
Thanks Curley -

I understand now.   I think I was making things more complicated than 
they need be. I have done some research on MercedesSource and better 
understand what was meant by orientation I thought the rotation of the 
valve was important - it seems some people get the Valves upside down 
when replacing.   That was not what I feared - I plan my jobs 
carefully (you probably all guessed that from my emails ;-)  and don't 
think putting a valve on upside down would happen.


Anyway, I will order the parts from MB tomorrow and do the job 
Thursday.   Thanks again for everyone's help!!


LarryT

91 300D




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Curley McLain 
January 22, 2017 at 2:10 PM

THE "Procedure" for torquing the DV holders in the writeup i sent you 
on the list.  I do the first torque to about 12-15 ft-lb, then the 
second to 22 and the third to 22 as specified.  It is to make sure the 
copper ring seals well and is centered.


By in sequence, I just meant in order, 1-5; or 5 to 1 if you prefer.  
It is not like head bolts.  Or you could Zundfogle it!  (firing 
order)  that is up to you!


And, yes, I have quieted a noisy result, by simply loosening the DV 
holders and re torquing them to 22 ft lb, or even 20.  I had one pump 
I could not get to quiet down at 22 ft lb.  but at 20 it was fine.


Larry Turner via Mercedes 
January 22, 2017 at 10:48 AM
So that's the "Procedure" that was mentioned earlier in this discussion?

I'll add new o-rings as well.

Is there a sequence in the Pressure Valves or can I start with #1 and 
go one after another til I get to #5?


LarryT

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Curley McLain 
January 22, 2017 at 9:01 AM
The orings generally get chewed up on removal, even if new.  I always 
replace them.  Orings are relatively cheap.  The cost of having to 
redo the job far outweighs the cost of 6 or 7 orings and copper seals.


one at a time is good, but I do the torque sequence together.  In 
other words, put them all in finger tight, then follow the torque 
instructions for the whole bunch in sequence.




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Re: [MBZ] MBC's

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> On January 23, 2017 at 7:25 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I thought the high stall speed 1985 *TORQUE CONVERTER* was supposed to cut 
> down on perceived lag?


Oops, I didn't mean to say high stall speed *turbo*.
Fixed it above.

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Re: [MBZ] My 124 is idling rough (91 300D 2.5Turbo)

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Ouch. That doesn't give one confidence in their competence, does it?

Mitch. 


> On January 23, 2017 at 6:14 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
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> Yesterday I reinstalled  the lock plates properly 
> - they had them overlapping others in the wrong 
> sequence.

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Re: [MBZ] MBC's

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Different issue. 
The MBC just prevents pressure from reaching the wastegate solenoid, keeping 
the wastegate closed until a higher pressure is reached. 
Lag is the time it takes to reach the pressure the wastegate is set for. 

I thought the high stall speed 1985 turbo was supposed to cut down on perceived 
lag?
It's possible an ALDA tweak would get more fuel off boost and spin the turbo up 
faster. If the car doesn't smoke at all at full throttle, I'd give this a try. 

Mitch. 

> On January 23, 2017 at 12:45 AM Michael Esh via Mercedes 
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> 
> 
> Would an MBC help reduce the turbo lag my 1985 300D.  Or is fixing the lag a 
> totally different issue?
> Mike
> 
> 
> > On Jan 22, 2017, at 8:06 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks Karl, I ended up getting this one:
> > 
> > http://www.addictiveperformance.com/Hallman-Pro-RX-Kit.php
> > 
> > I did look at that model you posted.  After reading up a bit, this one got
> > high marks.  I read a few reviews on Amazon for other cheaper models that
> > ended with "I bought a Hallman MBC, should have done that in the
> > beginning."  Made in USA, and has a ceramic ball for faster response times.
> > 
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> > 
> > On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Karl Wittnebel 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> This is what I would buy:
> >> https://m.summitracing.com/parts/tbs-ts-0101-1002?seid=
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Re: [MBZ] My 124 is idling rough (91 300D 2.5Turbo)

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

I've done this kind of torquing on cylinder heads but have a question.  
When you say to tighten then loosen do you think loosening by 1/2 turn 
would do it or should I remove all strain?


At the moment I am considering taking Peter's advice to replace the 
spring, o-ring and copper washer Vs just re-torquing.


I think you said try re-torquing 1st and be ready to replace the guts if 
that doesn't work?  I think that's what I'll try.  Maybe I'll even try 
it when my wife gets home from work one day this week rather than 
waiting for her day off.


But I'll go ahead and get the parts from the dealer so I'll have them 
just in case.


Thanks Gang!

LarryT

91 300D



On 01/22/2017 7:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Clean, Clean, Clean Clean!  Everything should be cleaner than your 
hospital's operating room (other than clean Diesel fuel)  You do NOT 
want to introduce any contaminants into the fuel system.


Except for the cleaning, it is a simple easy job.   Loosen the 
keepers; take loose the lines; unscrew the dv holder, making sure the 
spring does not drag out the pin of the DV with it; fish out the 
spring and the copper seal.  Flush the IP if the orings are so bad 
they leave a black grit behind. (pump fuel in from the filter)  Clean 
up the DV Holder and put on a new oring.


Drop in the new copper seal, the new spring, screw in the DV Holder 
finger tight.  (repeat for each cylinder)  Tighten them to ~12 ft-lb 
(not much) Tighten all to 22 ft-lb. loosen, retorque to 22 ft lb.  
(Still not much)  It is about as tight as you would tighten a 6mm bolt 
with a short 5mm allen wrench without straining. (just snug)


replace keepers; replace lines; bleed; start and listen for knocks.  
Hopefully, it is ok.  If so, bolt down the keepers and check your work.


Clean, Clean, Clean Clean!  Everything should be cleaner than your 
hospital's operating room (other than clean Diesel fuel)  You do NOT 
want to introduce any contaminants into the fuel system.  If you do it 
right, you will spend more time cleaning than it takes to do the 
actual job.


The only real problems I have had are:
1.  someone tightened the keepers with a 1/2" drive rattle wrench.  It 
was very hard to get them loose. (T30)
2.  on the same car, someone tightened the DV Holders with a rattle 
wrench WAY over tight.
3.  the orings are so old and brittle they crumble and leave gritty 
black residue behind


and then the pump that was a problem in #1 and 2 was the one that 
knocked when tightened normally, so it ended up with about 20 ft-lb.





Larry Turner via Mercedes 
January 22, 2017 at 4:44 PM
Thanks Curley -

I understand now.   I think I was making things more complicated than 
they need be. I have done some research on MercedesSource and better 
understand what was meant by orientation I thought the rotation of 
the valve was important - it seems some people get the Valves upside 
down when replacing.   That was not what I feared - I plan my jobs 
carefully (you probably all guessed that from my emails ;-)  and 
don't think putting a valve on upside down would happen.


Anyway, I will order the parts from MB tomorrow and do the job 
Thursday.   Thanks again for everyone's help!!


LarryT

91 300D




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Curley McLain 
January 22, 2017 at 2:10 PM

THE "Procedure" for torquing the DV holders in the writeup i sent you 
on the list.  I do the first torque to about 12-15 ft-lb, then the 
second to 22 and the third to 22 as specified. It is to make sure the 
copper ring seals well and is centered.


By in sequence, I just meant in order, 1-5; or 5 to 1 if you prefer.  
It is not like head bolts.  Or you could Zundfogle it! (firing 
order)  that is up to you!


And, yes, I have quieted a noisy result, by simply loosening the DV 
holders and re torquing them to 22 ft lb, or even 20.  I had one pump 
I could not get to quiet down at 22 ft lb.  but at 20 it was fine.


Larry Turner via Mercedes 
January 22, 2017 at 10:48 AM
So that's the "Procedure" that was mentioned earlier in this discussion?

I'll add new o-rings as well.

Is there a sequence in the Pressure Valves or can I start with #1 and 
go one after another til I get to #5?


LarryT

91 300D 2.5T




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Curley McLain 
January 22, 2017 at 9:01 AM
The orings generally get chewed up on removal, even if new.  I always 
replace them.  Orings are relatively cheap.  The cost of having to 
redo the job far 

Re: [MBZ] My 124 is idling rough (91 300D 2.5Turbo)

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

OK, I'll try the re-torquing 1st as you say,  Yesterday I reinstalled 
the lock plates properly - they had them overlapping others in the wrong 
sequence.It wasn't a good time to do the re-torquing so I'll do that 
Thursday.


Thanks,

Larry


On 01/22/2017 3:20 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
nothing you can see AFIK.  THey are set in the calibration procedure 
on a test bench.  likely it is a problem with the holders being over 
torqued.  Try that first.  Re torque  If that does not solve the 
problem, they you will need to find another IP or get that one tested 
and calibrated.  But don't dwell on the worst case.


1.  Retorque.  try it.  hopefully that will cure it.
2.  if not, try retorque to 20 ft -lb.
3.  if that does not cure it, try replacing all the springs, copper 
seals and orings and follow the torque procedure.

4.  If that does not cure it, back them off and try 20 ft lb.
5.   If none of that works, I'd look for a good used IP.  (and go 
strangle the ham fisted rattle wrench jockey that ruined the IP)



Larry Turner via Mercedes 
January 22, 2017 at 11:33 AM
But how do I know they are in the right position to begin with? 
Perhaps they were removed or rotated at some time in the past? There 
must be a single, correct starting position, right?


Larry


All this is WHY we do the work ourselves.  We seldom screw it up as 
bad as a "professional" does!   And a corollary to Friends don't let 
friends drive Toadas!

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