Re: [MBZ] SD 300TE

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> The Ugliest tractor was probably a Minneapolis-Moline U, driven by the
> younger Herman.


I love the U.  Very brawny.

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[MBZ] SD 300TE

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yesterday on the Great Iowa Tractor Ride (2 1/2 days, 250 miles) on a 
country road, I was passed by a white 300TE  I'd guess 87-89, with SD 
license plate.  It was great to see the car in use!   Fantastic 
weather!  Yesterday, our group was second out, leaving at 7 am.  I never 
thought I'd want a heat houser for the tractor ride at the end of June!  
It was a Nippy 49ºF at the start.  I wanted a heat houser yesterday morning!


I saw the guy with the monkey wards tractor.  I was behind him in 2009.  
Interesting tractor.


Denny Glade got a 4-71 jimmy diesel out of a junkyard and stuck it in 
his Oliver 1955 to replace the original 4-71.  You could hear that 
howling miles away.  The engine had not run in 30 years.


Zach bought an Oliver 70 with a stuck engine on June 17.  He had it 
there running on June 25.


The Ugliest tractor was probably a Minneapolis-Moline U, driven by the 
younger Herman.


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Re: [MBZ] Craig is a bigger man than I am

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Walt was/is way over the top anal retentive.  It drove him to keep his 
123 pristine.



Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
June 28, 2017 at 10:39 PM
Back in 1987-1990 I lived in Beavercreek OH and belonged to the 
Cincinnati Mercedes club, which was quite active. As I recall, the 
president was a fellow named Walt Anderson. One of the more memorable 
events was a club trip to this place:

https://news.classiccars.com/eye-candy-auburn-cord-duesenberg-museum/
Way cool. Part of the drive was through Amish country ; the contrast 
between the Mercedes caravan and horse-drawn buggies was surreal

Scott.




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Re: [MBZ] Craig is a bigger man than I am

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Back in 1987-1990 I lived in Beavercreek OH and belonged to the Cincinnati 
Mercedes club, which was quite active.  As I recall, the president was a fellow 
named Walt Anderson.  One of the more memorable events was a club trip to this 
place:  
https://news.classiccars.com/eye-candy-auburn-cord-duesenberg-museum/
Way cool.  Part of the drive was through Amish country ; the contrast between 
the Mercedes caravan and horse-drawn buggies was surreal
Scott.

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

When I had them the E10 here was 89.  they have since dropped it to 87.  
But the M116 has run for 8 yrs on a steady diet of 87 regular.  No 
problems related to fuel.  It did break a cheep prastic chain guide, and 
needed rubber hoses for the idle air, but those are not fuel related.


BTW, the M180, and the M121 Yuro, also "required" spremium.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
June 28, 2017 at 8:59 PM
The 103 and 104 requires premium. You have not had any problems 
running them on 87?


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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The 103 and 104 requires premium. You have not had any problems running them on 
87?

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> On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> i have run all the various MB vergassers on E10 regular since it became 
> available over 40 years ago.  220Sb (M180), 230TE (M121), 300TE (M103), 
> E320(M104) and 380SL (M116).  No problems, no pinging.  They are so proud of 
> their spremium around here i quit looking at prices or considering it since 
> they took the lead out about 40 years ago.  It is usually $.50 to $1 higher 
> than E10 regular.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> June 28, 2017 at 8:20 PM
>> I’ve heard this and I’ve heard that there’s a risk of damaging the catalyst, 
>> but for the life of me I’ve never found anything that clearly states this. 
>> Certainly there could be damage if you were driving the car hard and there 
>> was a lot of detonation, but as others have stated, the engine management 
>> system is going to make sure the timing and spark are correct for the burn.
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

i have run all the various MB vergassers on E10 regular since it became 
available over 40 years ago.  220Sb (M180), 230TE (M121), 300TE (M103), 
E320(M104) and 380SL (M116).  No problems, no pinging.  They are so 
proud of their spremium around here i quit looking at prices or 
considering it since they took the lead out about 40 years ago.  It is 
usually $.50 to $1 higher than E10 regular.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 28, 2017 at 8:20 PM
I’ve heard this and I’ve heard that there’s a risk of damaging the 
catalyst, but for the life of me I’ve never found anything that 
clearly states this. Certainly there could be damage if you were 
driving the car hard and there was a lot of detonation, but as others 
have stated, the engine management system is going to make sure the 
timing and spark are correct for the burn.


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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve heard this and I’ve heard that there’s a risk of damaging the catalyst, 
but for the life of me I’ve never found anything that clearly states this.  
Certainly there could be damage if you were driving the car hard and there was 
a lot of detonation, but as others have stated, the engine management system is 
going to make sure the timing and spark are correct for the burn.



> On Jun 28, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Isn't there a risk of engine damage over the long term when burning regular 
> in a car designed for premium?
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> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> Isn't there a risk of engine damage over the long term when burning
> regular in a car designed for premium?


Only in the cars that don't adapt.

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Isn't there a risk of engine damage over the long term when burning regular in 
a car designed for premium?
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'95 E300

On June 28, 2017 7:03:49 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Around here, buying Premium is the difference between paying $2.82 a
>gallon or $2.22. I could never justify that solely on an MPG basis. 
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> $25.87 a mile is pretty high...


I don't know, that X5's probably getting pretty close to there by now...

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Re: [MBZ] 560SL prices are up this summer...

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> There are literally thousands of late model 107s lurking in garages all
> over suburbia


Gotta be more than half left.  Which means six figures worth of them.

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Re: [MBZ] 560SL prices are up this summer...

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

There are literally thousands of late model 107s lurking in garages all
over suburbia

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:44 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> That is a big ask.
>
> The car looks pretty rough for half the price.
>
> An r107 is not really appreciating all that much, unless it is the 1989
> model with all bells and whistles in superb condition.  there are too many
> examples of the roadster still drivable for the model to be of much value.
> Maybe one day,  when kids remember the car grandpa had, the market will
> pick up.
>
>
>
> > On Jun 25, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> >
> > Good thing that's garage sale pricing.
> > I'd hate to see what the usual price is.
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Re: [MBZ] Craig is a bigger man than I am

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On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:37:51 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
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> http://www.cusslermuseum.com/
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> For any of you "real car guys". You might find the collection
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http://www.cusslermuseum.com/news

I find the color scheme of the 1931 Stutz DV-32 Boattail Speedster
shown on the news page _very_ attractive.


More automobiles can be found at

http://www.cusslermuseum.com/content/autos


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 560SL prices are up this summer...

[clay via Mercedes]

That is a big ask.

The car looks pretty rough for half the price.

An r107 is not really appreciating all that much, unless it is the 1989 model 
with all bells and whistles in superb condition.  there are too many examples 
of the roadster still drivable for the model to be of much value.  Maybe one 
day,  when kids remember the car grandpa had, the market will pick up.



> On Jun 25, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> 
> Good thing that's garage sale pricing. 
> I'd hate to see what the usual price is. 
> https://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/6188264041.html
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Re: [MBZ] Craig is a bigger man than I am

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Just going through that site a few days ago, as I was reading "Dragon"...

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> Except Craig's warehouse is suspiciously devoid of Hispano-Suiza motorcars.
>
> Mitch.
>
> > On June 28, 2017 at 7:12 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Craig is a bigger man than I am

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Why am I thinking of Dirk Pitt all of a sudden?
Except Craig's warehouse is suspiciously devoid of Hispano-Suiza motorcars. 

Mitch. 

> On June 28, 2017 at 7:12 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
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> I'm thinking Craig is on to something with the warehouse living.

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Re: [MBZ] Another question

[clay via Mercedes]

Pile rocks on top or dig really deep.

I got lucky last week when one of the hens kicked it on yard waste day.  Tossed 
her into the bin and allowed the city to send it for composting

clay

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:54 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How deep do I need to bury an animal who passed away to keep other animals
> from getting to it?
> 
> ... its been a rough week here.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Craig is a bigger man than I am

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I'm thinking Craig is on to something with the warehouse living.

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> On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:07 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> #1 boy has buddies who rent an old B-52 hanger in Williston, ND.  They pay 
> $1k each month.  From what I am told, it has not been cleaned out, but holds 
> decades of accumulated parts and things.
> 
> There are a few spots around SEA that have less than spectacular property 
> values, such that dilapidated large storage space could be had for reasonable 
> cost.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 11:37 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> A warehouse in AK?
>> 
>> I can’t imagine commercial space in your area being cheap.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:29 PM, clay via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maybe I need to find myself a warehouse.  SWMBA learned how much my home is 
>>> worth and wants me to move out so she can sell.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
 On Jun 17, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 So this morning I rolled into the Craig Casa Del Rancho to drop off his 
 new 2.5 turbo, and load up his long time 240D 3.0 to take it back to Okie 
 Acres home for unloved Benz's. Upon arrival I was given the tour of 
 Craig's establishment. They are living in a 10k sqft commercial warehouse. 
 The office space is converted into living space, leaving the vast majority 
 wide open. I thought I had a large shop but mine could fit in the corner 
 of his. I then notice Craig has his very own Kenworth. Yes that's right. 
 He also has a 53' box trailer to go with it. All parked inside this 
 massive warehouse. Craig decided rather than paying a moving company he 
 would just buy his own equipment. It gets better. Craig also owns a 
 Peterbuilt which they decided was too small so they bought the Kenworth. 
 So, if anybody needs a big rig, Craig is your man. So after I got the 240D 
 loaded up Craig took me for a ride to town in the Peterbuilt to show off 
 his truck driving skills. As it turn out, unknown to any of us, Craig 
 actually went to truck driving school a couple of years ago to learn how 
 to drive his big rigs and got a CDL. Here are a few photos for your 
 enjoyment.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Craig is a bigger man than I am

[clay via Mercedes]

I have no plans to leave my home unless rigor mortis has set in

clay


> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:19 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On June 21, 2017 at 2:29 PM clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe I need to find myself a warehouse.  SWMBA learned how much my home is 
>> worth and wants me to move out so she can sell.
> 
> Aren't you supposed to sell the W220, buy a Subaru and move to AK after you 
> sell the house in the contiguous states?
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Re: [MBZ] Craig is a bigger man than I am

[clay via Mercedes]

#1 boy has buddies who rent an old B-52 hanger in Williston, ND.  They pay $1k 
each month.  From what I am told, it has not been cleaned out, but holds 
decades of accumulated parts and things.

There are a few spots around SEA that have less than spectacular property 
values, such that dilapidated large storage space could be had for reasonable 
cost.

clay



> On Jun 21, 2017, at 11:37 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A warehouse in AK?
> 
> I can’t imagine commercial space in your area being cheap.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:29 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe I need to find myself a warehouse.  SWMBA learned how much my home is 
>> worth and wants me to move out so she can sell.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So this morning I rolled into the Craig Casa Del Rancho to drop off his new 
>>> 2.5 turbo, and load up his long time 240D 3.0 to take it back to Okie Acres 
>>> home for unloved Benz's. Upon arrival I was given the tour of Craig's 
>>> establishment. They are living in a 10k sqft commercial warehouse. The 
>>> office space is converted into living space, leaving the vast majority wide 
>>> open. I thought I had a large shop but mine could fit in the corner of his. 
>>> I then notice Craig has his very own Kenworth. Yes that's right. He also 
>>> has a 53' box trailer to go with it. All parked inside this massive 
>>> warehouse. Craig decided rather than paying a moving company he would just 
>>> buy his own equipment. It gets better. Craig also owns a Peterbuilt which 
>>> they decided was too small so they bought the Kenworth. So, if anybody 
>>> needs a big rig, Craig is your man. So after I got the 240D loaded up Craig 
>>> took me for a ride to town in the Peterbuilt to show off his truck driving 
>>> skills. As it turn out, unknown to any of us, Craig actually went to truck 
>>> driving school a couple of years ago to learn how to drive his big rigs and 
>>> got a CDL. Here are a few photos for your enjoyment.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Around here, buying Premium is the difference between paying $2.82 a gallon or 
$2.22. I could never justify that solely on an MPG basis. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Typically there is a knock sensor on the engine, and ignition timing is 
retarded when you get knock, may also richen the fuel.

The difference can be 10% or more, depending on driving conditions and fuel, 
but usually it's cheaper to use premium.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Shotgun Choke Question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

When I was in high school Dad and I were shooting 100 rounds (ie 4 rounds of 
trap) each two or three days a week (three in the summer, two in winter) so 
something like 20,000 rounds every year, all loaded with a single stage MEC 
press, a MEC Jr maybe? I forget, its been a long time...
Actually worse was when we were shooting Hunters pistol silhouette, that was 40 
shots per round, we'd each shoot a .22 and a centerfire pistol. I was using a 
.357, Dad used .30 carbine. 40 rounds of pistol ammo takes a lot longer than 
the same of 12ga.

-Curt


  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes_Discussion_List  
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 4:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shotgun Choke Question
   
Thousands "IN THE DAY"  not thousands a day.

BTW: List cop sez "trim thy posts"
> Curt Raymond 
> June 28, 2017 at 9:31 AM
> Dad has one that has a pneumatic actuator which is usually referred to 
> as "dangerous" due to the way it suddenly actuates. We're planning to 
> convert it to hydraulic, the arm is quite heavy with all the actions 
> that happen on each throw. Load a couple thousand with that and you'd 
> have some strong arms.
>
> -Curt
>


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Re: [MBZ] Shotgun Choke Question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Thousands "IN THE DAY"  not thousands a day.

BTW: List cop sez "trim thy posts"

Curt Raymond 
June 28, 2017 at 9:31 AM
Dad has one that has a pneumatic actuator which is usually referred to 
as "dangerous" due to the way it suddenly actuates. We're planning to 
convert it to hydraulic, the arm is quite heavy with all the actions 
that happen on each throw. Load a couple thousand with that and you'd 
have some strong arms.


-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I wonder if the towing rider ($30/year) on my auto policy will cover me for
a similar lockout...

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My mom bought a used Malibu that had two lockouts in the previous year on
> its carfax. The passenger door frame (both the window frame and to a lesser
> extent the door opening in the body) looked like somebody had vigorously
> attacked them with a prybar, like the ones with a 3/8" square shank and a
> screwdriver handle, in an effort to make an opening to put a coathanger on
> the window switch or door unlock button. The dealer ran it through the body
> shop, got rid of the dents and painted it, and replaced the torn door
> gasket.
>
> I looked at it before the repair and thought "dumbest tow driver ever".
> Then I thought "Idiot should have called a lock service instead of a tow
> service".
>
> Mitch.
>
> > On June 28, 2017 at 11:52 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > Tow truck drivers use rubber wedges to hold the pried door ajar so that
> > the wire does not damage the rubber seals.
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Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

My mom bought a used Malibu that had two lockouts in the previous year on its 
carfax. The passenger door frame (both the window frame and to a lesser extent 
the door opening in the body) looked like somebody had vigorously attacked them 
with a prybar, like the ones with a 3/8" square shank and a screwdriver handle, 
in an effort to make an opening to put a coathanger on the window switch or 
door unlock button. The dealer ran it through the body shop, got rid of the 
dents and painted it, and replaced the torn door gasket. 

I looked at it before the repair and thought "dumbest tow driver ever". 
Then I thought "Idiot should have called a lock service instead of a tow 
service". 

Mitch.

> On June 28, 2017 at 11:52 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> Tow truck drivers use rubber wedges to hold the pried door ajar so that 
> the wire does not damage the rubber seals.

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Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

AND was a fair bit quicker than waiting for a key ordered from the dealer.


On 28/06/2017 1:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

The guy I had came out from AAA, no charge...
-Curt


   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

  Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 1:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

$52 is way cheaper than a locksmith.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I got locked out of out Dodge RAM once and the guy had a cool little inflatable 
pouch he slipped into the door, it had a little pump like a blood pressure 
cuff, opened enough that we could reach in with a wire and poke the button for 
unlock. Worked slicker than a smelt.

-Curt


   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  To: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
Cc: Randy Bennell 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 11:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

On 28/06/2017 8:30 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Our SDL spontaneously locked its only key inside the car on a road trip
once.  We pried open the door at the top of the window, using a non-marring
tool of some sort, just far enough to snake in a wire to grab the lock
knob.  Later we bent the window frame back enough (rubber mallet!) to
restore the seal.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The guy I had came out from AAA, no charge...
-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 1:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan
   
$52 is way cheaper than a locksmith.
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I got locked out of out Dodge RAM once and the guy had a cool little inflatable 
pouch he slipped into the door, it had a little pump like a blood pressure 
cuff, opened enough that we could reach in with a wire and poke the button for 
unlock. Worked slicker than a smelt.

-Curt


      From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 To: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
Cc: Randy Bennell 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

On 28/06/2017 8:30 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> Our SDL spontaneously locked its only key inside the car on a road trip
> once.  We pried open the door at the top of the window, using a non-marring
> tool of some sort, just far enough to snake in a wire to grab the lock
> knob.  Later we bent the window frame back enough (rubber mallet!) to
> restore the seal.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

$52 is way cheaper than a locksmith.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I got locked out of out Dodge RAM once and the guy had a cool little
> inflatable pouch he slipped into the door, it had a little pump like a
> blood pressure cuff, opened enough that we could reach in with a wire and
> poke the button for unlock. Worked slicker than a smelt.
>
> -Curt
>
>
>   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  To: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
> Cc: Randy Bennell 
>  Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 11:52 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan
>
> On 28/06/2017 8:30 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > Our SDL spontaneously locked its only key inside the car on a road trip
> > once.  We pried open the door at the top of the window, using a
> non-marring
> > tool of some sort, just far enough to snake in a wire to grab the lock
> > knob.  Later we bent the window frame back enough (rubber mallet!) to
> > restore the seal.
> >
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Whoops. Yea, I calculated the cost for the 300 miles. It would be 8.6 cents 
versus 8.8 cents.

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On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:09 PM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:

$25.87 a mile is pretty high...

-Curt



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>
To: Jim Cathey >; 
Mercedes Discussion List >
Cc: Donald Snook >
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

True.  The cost per mile at 23 MPG with 87 was $25.87.  And the cost at 25.4 
mpg with 91 was $26.55.  So, the premium was slightly more expensive.  On the 
same trip previously I got 26 mpg (I don’t know what the difference was).  If I 
got 26 mpg, the cost would have been identical.

Don Snook

From: Jim Cathey 
[mailto:jim.cathey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 11:43 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>
Cc: Donald Snook >
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

Based on my experiment, premium does offer advantages on my car.  With better 
performance and power, it took less fuel to drive the same road at the same 
speed.

Yes, but you have not yet calculated the fuel cost per mile, which is probably 
what a serious road-tripper would be interested in.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

$25.87 a mile is pretty high...
-Curt


  From: Donald Snook via Mercedes 
 To: Jim Cathey ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
Cc: Donald Snook 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 12:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment
   
True.  The cost per mile at 23 MPG with 87 was $25.87.  And the cost at 25.4 
mpg with 91 was $26.55.  So, the premium was slightly more expensive.  On the 
same trip previously I got 26 mpg (I don’t know what the difference was).  If I 
got 26 mpg, the cost would have been identical.

Don Snook

From: Jim Cathey [mailto:jim.cathey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 11:43 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Donald Snook 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

Based on my experiment, premium does offer advantages on my car.  With better 
performance and power, it took less fuel to drive the same road at the same 
speed.

Yes, but you have not yet calculated the fuel cost per mile, which is probably 
what a serious road-tripper would be interested in.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

True.  The cost per mile at 23 MPG with 87 was $25.87.  And the cost at 25.4 
mpg with 91 was $26.55.  So, the premium was slightly more expensive.  On the 
same trip previously I got 26 mpg (I don’t know what the difference was).  If I 
got 26 mpg, the cost would have been identical.

Don Snook

From: Jim Cathey [mailto:jim.cathey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 11:43 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Donald Snook 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

Based on my experiment, premium does offer advantages on my car.  With better 
performance and power, it took less fuel to drive the same road at the same 
speed.

Yes, but you have not yet calculated the fuel cost per mile, which is probably 
what a serious road-tripper would be interested in.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Inca Red?

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Yea, I didn't read the description well enough.  I was just shocked by the 
blue.  Seems like a very odd choice for replacement seats and panels.  Its up 
to $2600 now. 

Don Snook 

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Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:11 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Mitch Haley ; Donald Snook 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Inca Red?

Here's your answer:  "Beige carpets and pillar panels remain, but *blue MB-tex 
seats and door panels from another W116 were fitted*. A couple tears are 
evident on the driver’s seat, and the seller states that the rear seat is 
firm..."

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I love the color because it is so seldom seen.  But, the blue interior 
> clashes with the exterior.  Seems like a weird choice of interior color.
> Black, grey, or tan would have been much better.
>
> Don Snook
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 12:13 PM
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>
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Re: [MBZ] BMW garbage

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The car is "meh".  As a car, it's fine.  It's the high operating costs that
frost me.  And yes, so long as we can keep it patched up, even with a
$5,000 engine (estimated) every 4.5 years I'm _still_ dollars ahead
compared to the usual US car owner.  Which is why I'm lobbying for that.  I
think she'll go for that, at least one more engine's worth.

I found it very amusing that I went to fetch her in the 560 SEL that she
dislikes so, which had been meant to be hers.  Said car has _more_ miles on
it than hers and is still running strong.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> Based on my experiment, premium does offer advantages on my car.  With
> better performance and power, it took less fuel to drive the same road at
> the same speed.


Yes, but you have not yet calculated the fuel cost per mile, which is
probably what a serious road-tripper would be interested in.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Spam

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

OR take him to the Spam Museum in Austin Minnesota.   You could take a trip up 
to Iowa and see some list members and then go on North to Austin.   I had a 
summer job in Iowa in 1993.  If anyone was around the area during that time, 
you might remember the 1993 Floods!  I had to retreat to Austin Minnesota for 
the job and got to visit the Spam Museum.  It was actually great!  

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 9:13 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spam

Oh boy 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 25, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If you really want to warp the little guy's mind...
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_eYSuPKP3Y
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[MBZ] Fuel Mileage Premium v. Regular Experiment

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I decided to try an experiment on fuel mileage on my BMW.  I have had to travel 
a lot lately and thought a (admittedly unsophisticated) experiment might be 
interesting.

My car is a 1999 BMW 740iL.   It is a big heavy car and I have been 
consistently surprised by the fuel mileage.  In the last weeks I have driven 
almost 2000 miles.  I checked this morning and my overall gas mileage has been 
25 mpg.

BMW recommends premium gas.  Most of the time I get premium. But, before my 
first trip (500 miles) I filled up with 87.  My gas mileage was 23. Then I 
filled up with 91. On the same trip, I got 25.4 mpg.  The way I understand it 
is that the car runs better on premium. But, it will run fine on 87. Although 
with 87, the computer compensates and performance is slightly lessened. I tried 
to keep my speed consistent with the prior trip.  I checked the tires to make 
sure they were filled the same and the same people and stuff was on board for 
both trips. I tried to limit the variables.

Based on my experiment, premium does offer advantages on my car.  With better 
performance and power, it took less fuel to drive the same road at the same 
speed.
Don Snook


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Re: [MBZ] BMW garbage

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

My take on it is:
Jim does not like it and never has.
However, if it makes his wife happy, he may have to hold his nose and 
carry on.
If she has become unhappy with it, he can patch it up and dispose of it 
before some other bad things happen to it.

That is why I asked if she still likes it.

The main problem that I see with the above is - what will she want to 
replace it with?


On 28/06/2017 11:24 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Do you hate loving it, or love to hate it?

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:28 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Jill says about 230kmi.  The proposed replacement has 65kmi on it.

This car is, without a doubt, the worst car value ever in either of our
lives.  Second most expensive initial outlay (but most expensive total), I
spent more to buy the Dodge pickup.  But, it's still running great, though
barely broken in.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] BMW garbage

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Do you hate loving it, or love to hate it?

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:28 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> Jill says about 230kmi.  The proposed replacement has 65kmi on it.
>
> This car is, without a doubt, the worst car value ever in either of our
> lives.  Second most expensive initial outlay (but most expensive total), I
> spent more to buy the Dodge pickup.  But, it's still running great, though
> barely broken in.
>
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Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I got locked out of out Dodge RAM once and the guy had a cool little inflatable 
pouch he slipped into the door, it had a little pump like a blood pressure 
cuff, opened enough that we could reach in with a wire and poke the button for 
unlock. Worked slicker than a smelt.

-Curt


  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 To: Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
Cc: Randy Bennell 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan
   
On 28/06/2017 8:30 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> Our SDL spontaneously locked its only key inside the car on a road trip
> once.  We pried open the door at the top of the window, using a non-marring
> tool of some sort, just far enough to snake in a wire to grab the lock
> knob.  Later we bent the window frame back enough (rubber mallet!) to
> restore the seal.
>
> -- Jim
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Tow truck drivers use rubber wedges to hold the pried door ajar so that 
the wire does not damage the rubber seals.

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Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 28/06/2017 8:30 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Our SDL spontaneously locked its only key inside the car on a road trip
once.  We pried open the door at the top of the window, using a non-marring
tool of some sort, just far enough to snake in a wire to grab the lock
knob.  Later we bent the window frame back enough (rubber mallet!) to
restore the seal.

-- Jim
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Tow truck drivers use rubber wedges to hold the pried door ajar so that 
the wire does not damage the rubber seals.


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Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

FYI it was $52 for two keys overnighted to Beverly Hills Mercedes tomorrow
by 11am.

Thanks.

On Jun 28, 2017 6:33 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> And that’s why I keep one of the “headless” keys in my wallet at all times.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Our SDL spontaneously locked its only key inside the car on a road trip
> > once.  We pried open the door at the top of the window, using a
> non-marring
> > tool of some sort, just far enough to snake in a wire to grab the lock
> > knob.  Later we bent the window frame back enough (rubber mallet!) to
> > restore the seal.
> >
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Shotgun Choke Question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Dad has one that has a pneumatic actuator which is usually referred to as 
"dangerous" due to the way it suddenly actuates. We're planning to convert it 
to hydraulic, the arm is quite heavy with all the actions that happen on each 
throw. Load a couple thousand with that and you'd have some strong arms.

-Curt


  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shotgun Choke Question
   
I have a 600JR. all manual, but all positions.  I loaded thousands in 
the day.  I'd recommend a 650 or better for Macdan or Martha.

> Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
> June 27, 2017 at 1:53 PM
> I used to load some light loads for a 16 yr. old very skinny cousin. Another 
> tip: magic marker color codes on the base to distinguish these from 
> full-power hunting loads. +1 on the MEC recommendation.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann via 
> Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:26 AM
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> Cc: G Mann
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shotgun Choke Question
>
> Another thought to consider, and one that I've added to my shotgun 
> experience, is to buy a shell re-loader, save your empty hulls, and load your 
> own with lighter loads [both shot and powder].
>
> A good AA grade hull can be reloaded about 6 times [always inspect carefully 
> prior to reloading]. My experience with a MEC reloader has been one of 
> success. You'll want to get tooled up with powder measure and shot measure 
> tools, but they are not expensive.
>
> Cost per shot can be greatly reduced and it gives you control over how heavy 
> you load the shell.. besides, it's kind of fun.
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Grant.
>>
>> As I mentioned, I've got a coach that will fit me and set up the gun.
>> He's certified by the CPSA in the UK and the NSSF in the USA and does
>> a really good job.
>>
>> I'll get a butt pad fitted once I find a gun.
>>
>> Thanks to you, Clay, MMM, Greg and others for the information!
>>
>> Hopefully I'll find a nice shotgun soon and I can start going through
>> the
>> 6-8 cases of shells I've got waiting to be fired...
>>
>> -D
>>
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:53 AM, G Mann via Mercedes
>>> 
>> wrote:
>>> Go for the 28 inch barrel with screw in chokes. For a few bucks, you
>>> can get every choke made and the install / removal tool.
>>>
>>> Fit the stock to you with careful attention to pull length, comb
>>> rise etc etc etc. End result will be a custom fit gun that works for
>>> you, with
>> easy
>>> change in chokes.
>>>
>>> All a choke does is hold the shot group tighter for more distance,
>>> or let it expand earlier, both decisions you'll want to make as you
>>> shoot a particular course of sporting clays. I've found the screw in
>>> chokes, with the quicker action of the shorter barrel works nicely
>>> to accommodate adjusting the gun to the course.
>>>
>>> Recoil issues will be negated with a proper fitted stock and butt pad.
>>> Likely, you will want to shoot lighter loads [instead of game loads]
>> which
>>> further negates recoil issues after a 200 round shooting day.
>>>
>>> Good luck and enjoy !  It's only money, ;)))
>>>
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> G Mann via Mercedes 
> June 27, 2017 at 12:25 PM
> Another thought to consider, and one that I've added to my shotgun
> experience, is to buy a shell re-loader, save your empty hulls, and load
> your own with lighter loads [both shot and powder].
>
> A good AA grade hull can be reloaded about 6 times [always inspect
> carefully prior to reloading]. My experience with a MEC reloader has been
> one of success. You'll want to get tooled up with powder measure and shot
> measure tools, but they are not expensive.
>
> Cost per shot can be greatly reduced and it gives you control over how
> heavy you load the shell.. besides, it's kind of fun.
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, 

Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And that’s why I keep one of the “headless” keys in my wallet at all times.

-D


> On Jun 28, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Our SDL spontaneously locked its only key inside the car on a road trip
> once.  We pried open the door at the top of the window, using a non-marring
> tool of some sort, just far enough to snake in a wire to grab the lock
> knob.  Later we bent the window frame back enough (rubber mallet!) to
> restore the seal.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Our SDL spontaneously locked its only key inside the car on a road trip
once.  We pried open the door at the top of the window, using a non-marring
tool of some sort, just far enough to snake in a wire to grab the lock
knob.  Later we bent the window frame back enough (rubber mallet!) to
restore the seal.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Peter's idea, combined with tow it out to make room for now.

I'd break a rear door quarter (fixed) window if necessary, I'll bet that
one will be easiest to source and install.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:34 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> New key from the dealer.
>
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Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Ok I will try that.

On Jun 28, 2017 5:34 AM, "Peter Frederick via Mercedes" <
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> New key from the dealer.
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Karl.

Dumb idea #2.

Pull the top rear of the drivers door out just enough to get a straightened 
coat hanger onto the inside door lever?

I have also seen a length of cord with a loop in the middle insinuated through 
the door to body gap and activate the door pull.

YMMV

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Karl Wittnebel via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 28 June 2017 08:28
To: mercedes@okiebenz com
Cc: Karl Wittnebel
Subject: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

Through a convoluted combination of diff swap and home renovation, keys
went missing with the spare set locked inside the car. Now it needs to move
out of the garage for the drywall guys. Which is the preferred window to
break? Other ideas? Could tow it out and hope to find keys I suppose.
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Re: [MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

New key from the dealer.

Peter

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[MBZ] locked out w124 sedan

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Through a convoluted combination of diff swap and home renovation, keys
went missing with the spare set locked inside the car. Now it needs to move
out of the garage for the drywall guys. Which is the preferred window to
break? Other ideas? Could tow it out and hope to find keys I suppose.
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