Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric water heater screaming at me

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Mitch wrote:

> So, either I learn how to swap a T-stat, 

I recall the electric thermostats are trivial to replace.  Unless
it's new enough to have a micro-computer on board...

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

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It is my considered opinion that the present principles of "Diversity" and
"Political Correctness" have accelerated the Darwin Theory of "Only the
Strong Survive".
Ultimately, all those focused on whether the sit or stand to pee instead of
improving the human race will perish, and those who know not to piss
themselves and survive and thrive will survive to breed.
As for myself, "You can't kill me, you can only wish you did."
[Sum total of an attitude that comes from having served in hostile fire
actions and 70+ years of experience dealing with the human race.]

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> Kindergarten Cop.  Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina.  You can want
> to be something else, but what you are is what you are.  Our society is at
> the brink of dissolution.  I hope we can save it.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Remember the simple and factual statement by the little boy in the movie 
Kindergarten Cop.  Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina.  You can want to 
be something else, but what you are is what you are.  Our society is at the 
brink of dissolution.  I hope we can save it.
Best Wishes,
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Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

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So is Europe at the mercy of vlad?

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> On Dec 20, 2019, at 10:34 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They have Vlad’s gas now. They’ll be good. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
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>> On Dec 20, 2019, at 10:10 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yup they’re making a big mistake.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 20, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dark nights in Confœderatio Helvetica in 30 years.
>>> 
 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 December 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM
 SWITZERLAND47-year-old nuclear power plant shuts down on live TVPublished:
 Friday, December 20, 2019
 
 Switzerland today shut down one of its oldest nuclear power plants, part of
 a plan to end the domestic production of atomic energy before the middle of
 the century
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

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They have Vlad’s gas now. They’ll be good. 

--FT
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> On Dec 20, 2019, at 10:10 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
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> 
> Yup they’re making a big mistake.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dark nights in Confœderatio Helvetica in 30 years.
>> 
>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>> December 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM
>>> SWITZERLAND47-year-old nuclear power plant shuts down on live TVPublished:
>>> Friday, December 20, 2019
>>> 
>>> Switzerland today shut down one of its oldest nuclear power plants, part of
>>> a plan to end the domestic production of atomic energy before the middle of
>>> the century
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yup they’re making a big mistake.

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> On Dec 20, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dark nights in Confœderatio Helvetica in 30 years.
> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> December 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM
>> SWITZERLAND47-year-old nuclear power plant shuts down on live TVPublished:
>> Friday, December 20, 2019
>> 
>> Switzerland today shut down one of its oldest nuclear power plants, part of
>> a plan to end the domestic production of atomic energy before the middle of
>> the century
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 emergency brake shoes

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:07:34 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> has anyone come up with tools that really work to R&R the 
> parking/emergency brake shoes and cable?  (W124)    I've done it using 
> vice grips and other made up solutions, but it is awful and results in 
> lots of wasted time and skinned hands.

The Genuine Mercedes Instrument Cluster Pull Hooks 140589023300 Dan
recommended works for pulling the springs. I bought them from Amazon.

I have done it (on our last W124) without them, but, as you said,
it's a horrible job.


> The right side had no shoes or guts whatsoever.   THe left side has 
> shoes and I think it has all the parts.   Both sides need cables. 
> I have those.

I'm wondering what I will find when I remove the wheels and disks on our
current W124 ...


> Decided I Need to put in all new everything in the rear before it goes 
> on the road again.  Ouch
> wheel bearings, too...

Yes, that is Ouch.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>Dark nights in Confœderatio Helvetica in 30 years.

More like a return to the dark ages. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

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Good tip.

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> On Dec 20, 2019, at 7:31 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Don't forget, anytime you use a transgender bathroom leave the lid UP...
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> My trees and bushes are woke and accommodating to all 57 genders. They do
>> not discriminate at all. There’s at least that many to choose from, any
>> sort of individual can have zhing’s own.
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 20, 2019, at 7:18 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah transgender bathroom requirements. F-ing ridiculous.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 19, 2019, at 4:59 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
 
 Don't forget such things as business licenses, inventory taxes, business
 taxes, employee required health care, minimum wage, OSHA, EPA, and
>> parking
 lot inspection, sewer fees for business hookup... etc etc etc...
 
 Bottom line, easy to lose focus on customer service and product support.
 Seems many have.
 Ohh.. forgot... your new transgender bathrooms requirement.
 
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 2:53 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> It applies to all businesses, but the fortune 500 or 1000 or somewhere
> in there aren't bothered as much as they can own armies of lawyers and
> buy their own pols.  But every business is constantly harassed.   Try
> making something simple like a dog treat.   You will be smothered by
> federal 3 letter agencies, 4 letter agencies, state agencies, local
> yokels and probably others too.  Each demands fees, and compliance with
> regulations that often counter each other.   Then there are the
>> industry
> agencies, and compliances that you need to do for cred in the industry
> and to get customers
> 
> IF you can survive all that, then you need to travel to Industry
> expositions, and conventions, and pay the rapacious rates demanded by
> the sponsors, hotels, restaurants, taxi etc.
>> Craig via Mercedes 
>> December 19, 2019 at 3:31 PM
>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:59:17 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>> 
>> I can tell you for certain that applies to small-business truckers,
>> particularly to single-truck Owner-Operators.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

[Clay via Mercedes]

The restrooms at my house are unisex.  I will personally escort anybody who 
demands to have a transgender throne out by the scruff of the neck and toss 
them and their unwiped fanny down the stairs


clay

> On Dec 20, 2019, at 4:31 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Don't forget, anytime you use a transgender bathroom leave the lid UP...
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> My trees and bushes are woke and accommodating to all 57 genders. They do
>> not discriminate at all. There’s at least that many to choose from, any
>> sort of individual can have zhing’s own.
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 20, 2019, at 7:18 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah transgender bathroom requirements. F-ing ridiculous.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 19, 2019, at 4:59 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
 
 Don't forget such things as business licenses, inventory taxes, business
 taxes, employee required health care, minimum wage, OSHA, EPA, and
>> parking
 lot inspection, sewer fees for business hookup... etc etc etc...
 
 Bottom line, easy to lose focus on customer service and product support.
 Seems many have.
 Ohh.. forgot... your new transgender bathrooms requirement.
 
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 2:53 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> It applies to all businesses, but the fortune 500 or 1000 or somewhere
> in there aren't bothered as much as they can own armies of lawyers and
> buy their own pols.  But every business is constantly harassed.   Try
> making something simple like a dog treat.   You will be smothered by
> federal 3 letter agencies, 4 letter agencies, state agencies, local
> yokels and probably others too.  Each demands fees, and compliance with
> regulations that often counter each other.   Then there are the
>> industry
> agencies, and compliances that you need to do for cred in the industry
> and to get customers
> 
> IF you can survive all that, then you need to travel to Industry
> expositions, and conventions, and pay the rapacious rates demanded by
> the sponsors, hotels, restaurants, taxi etc.
>> Craig via Mercedes 
>> December 19, 2019 at 3:31 PM
>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:59:17 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>> 
>> I can tell you for certain that applies to small-business truckers,
>> particularly to single-truck Owner-Operators.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

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Don't forget, anytime you use a transgender bathroom leave the lid UP...


On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My trees and bushes are woke and accommodating to all 57 genders. They do
> not discriminate at all. There’s at least that many to choose from, any
> sort of individual can have zhing’s own.
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Dec 20, 2019, at 7:18 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah transgender bathroom requirements. F-ing ridiculous.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 19, 2019, at 4:59 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Don't forget such things as business licenses, inventory taxes, business
> >> taxes, employee required health care, minimum wage, OSHA, EPA, and
> parking
> >> lot inspection, sewer fees for business hookup... etc etc etc...
> >>
> >> Bottom line, easy to lose focus on customer service and product support.
> >> Seems many have.
> >> Ohh.. forgot... your new transgender bathrooms requirement.
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 2:53 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It applies to all businesses, but the fortune 500 or 1000 or somewhere
> >>> in there aren't bothered as much as they can own armies of lawyers and
> >>> buy their own pols.  But every business is constantly harassed.   Try
> >>> making something simple like a dog treat.   You will be smothered by
> >>> federal 3 letter agencies, 4 letter agencies, state agencies, local
> >>> yokels and probably others too.  Each demands fees, and compliance with
> >>> regulations that often counter each other.   Then there are the
> industry
> >>> agencies, and compliances that you need to do for cred in the industry
> >>> and to get customers
> >>>
> >>> IF you can survive all that, then you need to travel to Industry
> >>> expositions, and conventions, and pay the rapacious rates demanded by
> >>> the sponsors, hotels, restaurants, taxi etc.
>  Craig via Mercedes 
>  December 19, 2019 at 3:31 PM
>  On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:59:17 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> 
>  I can tell you for certain that applies to small-business truckers,
>  particularly to single-truck Owner-Operators.
> 
> 
>  Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

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My trees and bushes are woke and accommodating to all 57 genders. They do not 
discriminate at all. There’s at least that many to choose from, any sort of 
individual can have zhing’s own. 

--FT
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> On Dec 20, 2019, at 7:18 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah transgender bathroom requirements. F-ing ridiculous.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2019, at 4:59 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Don't forget such things as business licenses, inventory taxes, business
>> taxes, employee required health care, minimum wage, OSHA, EPA, and parking
>> lot inspection, sewer fees for business hookup... etc etc etc...
>> 
>> Bottom line, easy to lose focus on customer service and product support.
>> Seems many have.
>> Ohh.. forgot... your new transgender bathrooms requirement.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 2:53 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It applies to all businesses, but the fortune 500 or 1000 or somewhere
>>> in there aren't bothered as much as they can own armies of lawyers and
>>> buy their own pols.  But every business is constantly harassed.   Try
>>> making something simple like a dog treat.   You will be smothered by
>>> federal 3 letter agencies, 4 letter agencies, state agencies, local
>>> yokels and probably others too.  Each demands fees, and compliance with
>>> regulations that often counter each other.   Then there are the industry
>>> agencies, and compliances that you need to do for cred in the industry
>>> and to get customers
>>> 
>>> IF you can survive all that, then you need to travel to Industry
>>> expositions, and conventions, and pay the rapacious rates demanded by
>>> the sponsors, hotels, restaurants, taxi etc.
 Craig via Mercedes 
 December 19, 2019 at 3:31 PM
 On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:59:17 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 
 I can tell you for certain that applies to small-business truckers,
 particularly to single-truck Owner-Operators.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Socks was Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

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Curt’s mom knits the best socks!

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> On Dec 20, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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> 
> I know the type, or rather I've got some that look similar and I don't like 
> them. Socks are probably one of the most "personal taste" items around. If 
> your feet aren't happy you won't be happy...
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, December 19, 2019, 10:11:32 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> 
>>> On December 19, 2019 at 9:48 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OTOH "Darn Tough" socks are the best I've ever worn and I'm not buying 
>> anything else. They're the most expensive socks I've ever had and worth 
>> every penny. Made in USA too.
> 
> Somebody mentioned these in a sock discussion on another forum, and I bought 
> a six pack yesterday. 
> They appear to be a suitable substitute at $18/6pr instead of $20/pr. Thicker 
> than my Darn Tough socks, I'll let you know in a year if they are as durable. 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

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Yeah transgender bathroom requirements. F-ing ridiculous.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 19, 2019, at 4:59 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Don't forget such things as business licenses, inventory taxes, business
> taxes, employee required health care, minimum wage, OSHA, EPA, and parking
> lot inspection, sewer fees for business hookup... etc etc etc...
> 
> Bottom line, easy to lose focus on customer service and product support.
> Seems many have.
> Ohh.. forgot... your new transgender bathrooms requirement.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 2:53 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> It applies to all businesses, but the fortune 500 or 1000 or somewhere
>> in there aren't bothered as much as they can own armies of lawyers and
>> buy their own pols.  But every business is constantly harassed.   Try
>> making something simple like a dog treat.   You will be smothered by
>> federal 3 letter agencies, 4 letter agencies, state agencies, local
>> yokels and probably others too.  Each demands fees, and compliance with
>> regulations that often counter each other.   Then there are the industry
>> agencies, and compliances that you need to do for cred in the industry
>> and to get customers
>> 
>> IF you can survive all that, then you need to travel to Industry
>> expositions, and conventions, and pay the rapacious rates demanded by
>> the sponsors, hotels, restaurants, taxi etc.
>>> Craig via Mercedes 
>>> December 19, 2019 at 3:31 PM
>>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:59:17 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>>> 
>>> I can tell you for certain that applies to small-business truckers,
>>> particularly to single-truck Owner-Operators.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yup that’s what big government gets you. Nothing like the de-regulation that we 
have going on now. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 19, 2019, at 2:59 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Or maybe the corporate bosses are too busy complying with overbearing
> government threats, coercion, general abuse of power and obstruction of
> free markets to be able to run their own businesses which includes training
> and rewarding the good employees and training and encouraging the bad
> employees.
> 
> Yeah, I think that is far more likely than "don't give a sh*t".
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 1:26 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> 
>> Or maybe the corporate bosses don't give a sh*t and are just focused on
>> their profits?
>> 
>> 
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Interesting:  Both springs were broken.  between 1/4 and 1/2 of bottom 
coil.   I have springs.


The brake backing plates are rusted tight to the wheel carrier.  I am 
soaking them.  I had wheel carriers, but I guess last year when I 
cleaned out the shed, I junked them.  So I need brake backing plates, 
(plate and ring) as these will  get trashed when I have to take them off.


Anyone got 124 rear wheel carriers with backing plates or backing plates 
and clamp rings?


I am assembling the next orders for links, bushings, grommets for the e 
brake cables etc.   I had that ready before I started welding.   Having 
the welder crap out really delayed this project (along with work and 
holidays.


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Re: [MBZ] Interesting information from Google

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I just looked, there were only 5 data points for a limited time (mostly 
specific days recently), one at Lowes, 2 at road intersections, one in 
the middle of the airport here, and one at the beach.  On another day it 
had me at home.  I'm thinking that this is when you might use Google 
Maps or something, I don't know where they get the info.  I shut most of 
that location stuff off on my phone, it seems to work.  It is kinda 
creepy though.


-_FT

On 12/20/19 2:52 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:50:20 -0700 Craig  wrote:


So, if you allow it, I presume, Google can track where you have been in
addition to where you are.

Sorry, I forgot to include another part of the page:

 See your travels

 You can see how far you travelled and the way you travelled from place
 to place, like walking, biking, driving, or public transportation.
 Whether Timeline measures distances in miles or kilometers is based on
 your country.

 1. On your computer, open Google Maps.
 2. Sign in with the same Google Account you use on your mobile
device.
 3. In the top left, click Menu Menu.
 4. Click Timeline Timeline.
 5. To see another date, at the top, choose a day, month, and year.

 Tip: To see places that you've visited recently, click Menu Menu
 and then Your places and then Visited.



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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

A few hours soaking, wiggling and a final little pry with the prybar, 
and it popped out.    I have the whole thing on a bench now.   Subframe 
has worrisome rust on a link gusset, but it will probably be ok.   Max 
has a new one, and there is one here that is not rusty, but I have to 
drive to the place, crawl in the weeds, and try to get it out.   Diff 
and links, wheel carriers, etc are already gone, so it is just the 
subframe left under that car. And I'd have to negotiate some price for it.


Or I can clean up and paint this one.    I intend to post some pictures.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
December 20, 2019 at 4:10 PM
Can you just vibrate it a bit from whatever direction you can get at 
it just to loosen it up a bit? Then if you can spray more fluid into 
the joint it may soak down where it will help.


Are you certain that it might not be a better idea to find a better 
car and let this one go?





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Re: [MBZ] 124 emergency brake shoes

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes there is a t handle thingy that makes it a one minute job. Get some new
springs also. And grommets for the cable thru the subframe.

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 1:08 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> has anyone come up with tools that really work to R&R the
> parking/emergency brake shoes and cable?  (W124)I've done it using
> vice grips and other made up solutions, but it is awful and results in
> lots of wasted time and skinned hands.
>
> The right side had no shoes or guts whatsoever.   THe left side has
> shoes and I think it has all the parts.   Both sides need cables.   I
> have those.
>
> Decided I Need to put in all new everything in the rear before it goes
> on the road again.  Ouch
> wheel bearings, too...
>
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting information from Google

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

It is all in the fine print somewhere. Whenever you use any sort of 
software, there is an offer to let you read the rules and a button that 
lets you say "I Agree" without having to read it all. Do you know anyone 
who reads it? It is not like they give you any choice if you need or 
want the use of the software.



On 20/12/2019 4:17 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Legally, I believe that qualifies as a "Contract of Adhesion". Which is
illegal and specifically forbidden.
Both parties must be fully informed and freely enter into said contract...
Failure to inform one party, or coerce entry, voids any contract.
But, I only observe and judge, not advise. YMMV




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Re: [MBZ] Interesting information from Google

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Legally, I believe that qualifies as a "Contract of Adhesion". Which is
illegal and specifically forbidden.
Both parties must be fully informed and freely enter into said contract...
Failure to inform one party, or coerce entry, voids any contract.
But, I only observe and judge, not advise. YMMV

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 3:03 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On December 20, 2019 at 4:26 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > .without my knowledge or permission...don't you?
> >
>
> By continuing to power up this phone for the first time, you agree to the
> Goolag Terms of Service...
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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Can you just vibrate it a bit from whatever direction you can get at it 
just to loosen it up a bit? Then if you can spray more fluid into the 
joint it may soak down where it will help.


Are you certain that it might not be a better idea to find a better car 
and let this one go?



On 20/12/2019 3:01 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
yes, but no good way to get at the rear subframe mount.   NO way to 
beat it in the right direction.  with the lfh, I am trying to twist 
the alum part of the mount clockwise and CCW.   I guess I could do 
that with the air hammer, but it is pretty puny in comparison to the 2 
lb lfh.   It does not appear to be practical to try to cut the center 
out with the air chisel.


While it soaks, I've been trying to get the links loose on the other 
side.  That is  not going well either.  Links were replaced probably 
15-20 yrs ago I'd guess.  I see some 210 numbers.  Nuts jammed on with 
an air hammer set o n high.  Shoulders are soft and round off easily. 
outside of nuts are made rounded off...  Not enough space to get a 
socket on most.   One seems to be 18mm.  I have no 18mm wrenches.  Not 
DIN standard.  I have a 18mm socket, but can't get in there with it.  
No room.  One of them I can't even get an open end wrench on.  (the 
tie rod)  Brake backing plate is rust fused to the wheel carrier.  
Soaking that, but little hope I can get it loose without ruining it.

Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
December 20, 2019 at 2:43 PM
Do you have air and an air hammer? You might try seeing if you can 
vibrate things loose.







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Re: [MBZ] Interesting information from Google

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> On December 20, 2019 at 4:26 PM G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> .without my knowledge or permission...don't you?
> 

By continuing to power up this phone for the first time, you agree to the 
Goolag Terms of Service...

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Axle boot replacement

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

https://www.stretchcvboot.com/cv-boots/


On 20/12/2019 3:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Does anyone have the tool to put on new boots on axles?   Or the link 
to that company that sells one and blue super expandable boots? I have 
2 good axles off the 300D and 2 good axles on this car that need 
boots. Also have some 123 axles that need boots.


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Re: [MBZ] Axle boot replacement

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Dorman+614-030&ref=nb_sb_noss


On 20/12/2019 3:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Does anyone have the tool to put on new boots on axles?   Or the link 
to that company that sells one and blue super expandable boots? I have 
2 good axles off the 300D and 2 good axles on this car that need 
boots. Also have some 123 axles that need boots.


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Re: [MBZ] Interesting information from Google

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I feel so safe and un-molested now that a major company, with a history of
closing access to anyone who doesn't fit their specific algorithm is
tracking my every keystroke, then selling my information for
profit.without my knowledge or permission...don't you?

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 12:53 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:50:20 -0700 Craig  wrote:
>
> > So, if you allow it, I presume, Google can track where you have been in
> > addition to where you are.
>
> Sorry, I forgot to include another part of the page:
>
> See your travels
>
> You can see how far you travelled and the way you travelled from place
> to place, like walking, biking, driving, or public transportation.
> Whether Timeline measures distances in miles or kilometers is based on
> your country.
>
> 1. On your computer, open Google Maps.
> 2. Sign in with the same Google Account you use on your mobile
>device.
> 3. In the top left, click Menu Menu.
> 4. Click Timeline Timeline.
> 5. To see another date, at the top, choose a day, month, and year.
>
> Tip: To see places that you've visited recently, click Menu Menu
> and then Your places and then Visited.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Axle boot replacement

[dan--- via Mercedes]

Unless someone recent.y got one, probably not. I asked earlier this year and 
came up empty.

-D

> On Dec 20, 2019, at 4:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> 
> Does anyone have the tool to put on new boots on axles?   Or the link to that 
> company that sells one and blue super expandable boots?   I have 2 good axles 
> off the 300D and 2 good axles on this car that need boots. Also have some 123 
> axles that need boots.
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[MBZ] Axle boot replacement

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Does anyone have the tool to put on new boots on axles?   Or the link to 
that company that sells one and blue super expandable boots?   I have 2 
good axles off the 300D and 2 good axles on this car that need boots. 
Also have some 123 axles that need boots.


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[MBZ] 124 emergency brake shoes

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

has anyone come up with tools that really work to R&R the 
parking/emergency brake shoes and cable?  (W124)    I've done it using 
vice grips and other made up solutions, but it is awful and results in 
lots of wasted time and skinned hands.


The right side had no shoes or guts whatsoever.   THe left side has 
shoes and I think it has all the parts.   Both sides need cables.   I 
have those.


Decided I Need to put in all new everything in the rear before it goes 
on the road again.  Ouch

wheel bearings, too...


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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yes, but no good way to get at the rear subframe mount.   NO way to beat 
it in the right direction.  with the lfh, I am trying to twist the alum 
part of the mount clockwise and CCW.   I guess I could do that with the 
air hammer, but it is pretty puny in comparison to the 2 lb lfh.   It 
does not appear to be practical to try to cut the center out with the 
air chisel.


While it soaks, I've been trying to get the links loose on the other 
side.  That is  not going well either.  Links were replaced probably 
15-20 yrs ago I'd guess.  I see some 210 numbers.  Nuts jammed on with 
an air hammer set o n high.  Shoulders are soft and round off easily. 
outside of nuts are made rounded off...  Not enough space to get a 
socket on most.   One seems to be 18mm.  I have no 18mm wrenches.  Not 
DIN standard.  I have a 18mm socket, but can't get in there with it.  No 
room.  One of them I can't even get an open end wrench on.  (the tie 
rod)  Brake backing plate is rust fused to the wheel carrier.  Soaking 
that, but little hope I can get it loose without ruining it.

Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
December 20, 2019 at 2:43 PM
Do you have air and an air hammer? You might try seeing if you can 
vibrate things loose.






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Do you have air and an air hammer? You might try seeing if you can 
vibrate things loose.



On 20/12/2019 1:24 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:



LR subframe mount appears to be welded to the body by corrosion of 
AL-FE.   Soaking it now.   Tried beating with no effect.   tried bar, 
but that bends the frame tube.   Flame wrench is not an option because 
I don't have one.   Besides, burning rubber stinks and leaves carbon 
black on everything.


Subrame mount has aluminum center for the bolt, and the body stud is 
steel.


Any earlier MB would have rotted away.   This one just has a few 
cancer spots, but the nuts on the brake lines and hoses are corroded 
to 2-3 mm less OD than original.    Looks now like I should probably 
replace all or part of the brake line to the ABS unit too.


My Dallas 124 is much nicer to work on.  even after 10 years or so in 
IA.  No rust.


Max, if your subframe is not rusty, I may take you up on that

The other 124 I got out of VA 15 yrs ago or so was not rusty. (300TE)

Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
December 20, 2019 at 12:44 PM
Diff is only connected to subframe. I think you've hit all the right
points.

I've got a spare subframe (no diff or axles) you can have if you want to
drag it away from SC.

-
Max
Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric water heater screaming at me

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 20/12/2019 2:25 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On December 20, 2019 at 3:12 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:

There is no real need to drain the tank in order to install the anode.

I usually do anode swaps during annual flushing/maintenance.
Drain a few gallons off, swap the anode, then decide if I want to drain it 
totally or figure I already got most of the sediment out.
Swapping the anode has to be done with the tank mostly full or the tank will 
try to walk away when you put a breaker bar on the anode.
But if something appears to be wrong with my lower element, then I'm draining 
the tank.

If I were going to buy a refresh kit I'd put it in my parents' house. 32 year 
old AO Smith, never a hint of trouble. Makes me wonder if the parts that came 
in it are better than the parts in a modern refresh kit and I should leave well 
enough alone.

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changing parts until I had to (except for the anode).



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric water heater screaming at me

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 20, 2019 at 3:12 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is no real need to drain the tank in order to install the anode. 

I usually do anode swaps during annual flushing/maintenance. 
Drain a few gallons off, swap the anode, then decide if I want to drain it 
totally or figure I already got most of the sediment out. 
Swapping the anode has to be done with the tank mostly full or the tank will 
try to walk away when you put a breaker bar on the anode. 
But if something appears to be wrong with my lower element, then I'm draining 
the tank. 

If I were going to buy a refresh kit I'd put it in my parents' house. 32 year 
old AO Smith, never a hint of trouble. Makes me wonder if the parts that came 
in it are better than the parts in a modern refresh kit and I should leave well 
enough alone.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric water heater screaming at me

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 20, 2019 at 2:55 PM dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> If you do tear into it, go the kit route and swap both elements out. If you 
> don’t the old one will fail in a week or two, guaranteed.
> 

I'm assuming those who think I have scale in the water heater or at least on 
the elements are correct. 

So I just ordered 2 44x7/8" mag rods (Rheem) from your pal John Menard for $27. 
I put a new anode in my parents' water heater in 2012 and installed my new 
heater in 2013 so it's time to do both. 
When I swap the mag rods I'll drain the water out of mine and pull the lower 
element. Then decide if I need to replace elements, clean elements, or get a 
few pounds of citric acid and descale the whole tank.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Unless the place has done some serious upgrades to power supply in the past 45 
years, there is going to be many cold/dark nights.  I recall when the plant 
they just shuttered came online.  Big cheers that there would be reliable power 
so the economy could grow and Helvetia would be safe for many years from power 
failures and brown outs.  There were a few cold and dark winter nights in 
Zurich, even with conservative power usage.  The country runs on electricity, 
well  not the cars, but maybe with all the battery cars, they are sucking more 
electrons.  Maybe the French are providing the electrons to keep CERN lit.


clay

> On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Don't bet on it.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 2:14 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dark nights in Confœderatio Helvetica in 30 years.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric water heater screaming at me

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I think I would agree. Given the reasonable cost of elements, I think I 
would put 2 new ones in. Then you should be good for a while.  No sense 
working on it again soon. I don't know that I would bother changing 
thermostats if they appear to be functioning properly.


If the pressure relief valve does not show signs of leaking water, then 
it is likely fine too. I know they can shriek if the pressure causes 
them to open but they will pretty much always leak water if that is the 
case.


There is no real need to drain the tank in order to install the anode. 
It normally goes in from the top. Turn off the water and maybe drain off 
a little bit and then unscrew the anode and put the new one in. If you 
do not have a lot of headroom over the tank, get one of the segmented 
anodes.


The suggestion that the scream is caused by the scale on the element is 
something I am unfamiliar with. My experience has been  pretty much all 
with soft water and I have not encountered that sort of thing.


On 20/12/2019 1:55 PM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

If you do tear into it, go the kit route and swap both elements out. If you 
don’t the old one will fail in a week or two, guaranteed.

-D


On Dec 20, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:

So it looks like drain the tank again and pull the lower element and clean or 
replace it.

They sell kits for around $30 with two elements, two gaskets, and two 
thermostats.
Or new elements are $5 (silver colored) $10 (copper) $20 (folded large surface 
copper) and $50 (titanium).

I think I'll get that magnesium rod ordered and ignore the noise until it gets 
here. Don't want to drain it again without replacing the rod.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric water heater screaming at me

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 14:55:36 -0500 dan--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> If you do tear into it, go the kit route and swap both elements out. If
> you don’t the old one will fail in a week or two, guaranteed.

And be sure to replace the T&P valve ...


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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones, long post

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Verizon is garbage where I live.  Both places.

Sitting in my SEA living room I have almost two bars.  Massive picture window 
with line of sight to the tower.  Using it as hotspot, there is almost 56k baud 
using USB cord.  Wireless hotspot is about 32k.

ANC is not that good either.  Verizon is new (roll out of 4G) to the market and 
coverage is spotty.  In the house I get almost three bars.  Do not need to use 
hotspot, so never did speed test.  As it is, the wifi (DSL) is almost as fast 
as using the phone itself for streaming.  The in air wifi on Alaska Airlines is 
really good for in flight streaming


clay monroe

> I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm 
> looking for didn't fall out.



> On Dec 20, 2019, at 2:14 AM, dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Here’s the straight poop from someone who was involved heavily in the 
> buildout of both AT&T and Verizon’s cellular networks:
> 
> Both carriers have the highest number of cells nationwide of any carrier that 
> is a primary, with Verizon having the most. All the others, save Sprint, are 
> piggybacking on one of the big guys. The piggyback contracts have limitations 
> on the number of cells available and the coverage areas.
> 
> Go with Verizon. They are the best as far as coverage between the two. 
> They’ll rape you on their plans, but that’s the price you pay for 
> accessibility. I’ve used them continuously since the early 1990s and never 
> had a coverage or bandwidth issue. The few times I had poor signals in a 
> fixed area I frequented, I called them and reported it and found the issue 
> resolved within a few days. They can tune their coverage and will do so if 
> they get enough tickets reporting it.
> 
> -D
> 
> On Dec 20, 2019, at 2:46 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>>> Kaleb wrote:
>> 
>>> I don’t want to do. I am looking at either Verizon or T Mobile.
>> 
>>> Anybody have a bad experience with them or any other feedback? 
>> 
>> T-Mobile is the Google-Fi carrier that covers here.  Fairly
>> dependable, but I can't speak for an actual T-Mobile account.
>> T-Mobile was the biggest single buyer of the 600 MHz TV spectrum
>> and they claim that their goal with the lease is to better cover
>> rural areas.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric water heater screaming at me

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If you do tear into it, go the kit route and swap both elements out. If you 
don’t the old one will fail in a week or two, guaranteed.

-D

> On Dec 20, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So it looks like drain the tank again and pull the lower element and clean or 
> replace it.
> 
> They sell kits for around $30 with two elements, two gaskets, and two 
> thermostats.
> Or new elements are $5 (silver colored) $10 (copper) $20 (folded large 
> surface copper) and $50 (titanium).
> 
> I think I'll get that magnesium rod ordered and ignore the noise until it 
> gets here. Don't want to drain it again without replacing the rod.
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting information from Google

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:50:20 -0700 Craig  wrote:

> So, if you allow it, I presume, Google can track where you have been in
> addition to where you are.

Sorry, I forgot to include another part of the page:

See your travels

You can see how far you travelled and the way you travelled from place
to place, like walking, biking, driving, or public transportation.
Whether Timeline measures distances in miles or kilometers is based on
your country.

1. On your computer, open Google Maps.
2. Sign in with the same Google Account you use on your mobile
   device.
3. In the top left, click Menu Menu.
4. Click Timeline Timeline.
5. To see another date, at the top, choose a day, month, and year.

Tip: To see places that you've visited recently, click Menu Menu
and then Your places and then Visited.



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Re: [MBZ] OT Socks was Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

And be kind to your add for it is that which bears you.
;)
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 1:58 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:   On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 14:07:46 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  I know the type, or rather I've got some that look similar and I don't
> like them. Socks are probably one of the most "personal taste" items
> around. If your feet aren't happy you won't be happy... -Curt


        If your feet aren't happy you won't be happy...

right up there with,

        If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy ...


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[MBZ] Interesting information from Google

[Craig via Mercedes]

I have done so many searches for property in North Carolina Google thinks
that is where I am ...

Since duckduckgo.com is abandoning TLS 1, which is what my ancient
Seamonkey uses, I did a Google search for a site (which turned up a
negative result even though I was looking at the thing for which I
searched). I noticed at the bottom of the results page a line which
said,

North Wilkesboro, North Carolina - From your Internet address - Use
precise location - Learn more

Clicking on "Learn more" took me to:

https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/179386?p=ws_settings_location&hl=en

On that page, I saw,

If you’re using a browser, like Chrome or Safari, you can see your
location and update it directly from a search results page.

Which is what I had experienced with the search I did.

The interesting part of the page, to me, at least, is

Stop sharing your location

You can stop sharing your location with Google by changing your
settings, but Google may still suggest a location based on your IP
address, recent locations, or Location History . If you don’t want
any location history shared, see your Google Maps Timeline.

The phrase "Google Maps Timeline" is a link, so I clicked on it, which
took me to:

https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6258979

There is other interesting stuff on that page (like Web & App Activity),
but I noticed,

Google Maps Timeline

You can view and manage your Location History information through
Google Maps Timeline, which is available to both mobile and desktop
users. In Timeline, you can edit specific entries from your Location
History, delete information from ranges in time or delete all of your
Location History data. Your Timeline is private, so only you can see
it.

If you have other settings like Web & App Activity turned on and you
pause Location History or delete location data from Location History,
you may still have location data saved in your Google Account as part
of your use of other Google sites, apps, and services. For example,
location data may be saved as part of activity on Search and Google
Maps when your Web & App Activity setting is on, and included in your
photos, depending on your camera app settings.

So, if you allow it, I presume, Google can track where you have been in
addition to where you are.

Now if we could just trust them ...


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric water heater screaming at me

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

So it looks like drain the tank again and pull the lower element and clean or 
replace it.

They sell kits for around $30 with two elements, two gaskets, and two 
thermostats.
Or new elements are $5 (silver colored) $10 (copper) $20 (folded large surface 
copper) and $50 (titanium).

I think I'll get that magnesium rod ordered and ignore the noise until it gets 
here. Don't want to drain it again without replacing the rod.

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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

LR subframe mount appears to be welded to the body by corrosion of 
AL-FE.   Soaking it now.   Tried beating with no effect.   tried bar, 
but that bends the frame tube.   Flame wrench is not an option because I 
don't have one.   Besides, burning rubber stinks and leaves carbon black 
on everything.


Subrame mount has aluminum center for the bolt, and the body stud is steel.

Any earlier MB would have rotted away.   This one just has a few cancer 
spots, but the nuts on the brake lines and hoses are corroded to 2-3 mm 
less OD than original.    Looks now like I should probably replace all 
or part of the brake line to the ABS unit too.


My Dallas 124 is much nicer to work on.  even after 10 years or so in 
IA.  No rust.


Max, if your subframe is not rusty, I may take you up on that

The other 124 I got out of VA 15 yrs ago or so was not rusty.  (300TE)

Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
December 20, 2019 at 12:44 PM
Diff is only connected to subframe. I think you've hit all the right
points.

I've got a spare subframe (no diff or axles) you can have if you want to
drag it away from SC.

-
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Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Don't bet on it.

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 2:14 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Dark nights in Confœderatio Helvetica in 30 years.
>
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > December 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM
> > SWITZERLAND47-year-old nuclear power plant shuts down on live
> TVPublished:
> > Friday, December 20, 2019
> >
> > Switzerland today shut down one of its oldest nuclear power plants,
> > part of
> > a plan to end the domestic production of atomic energy before the
> > middle of
> > the century
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric water heater screaming at me

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

+1


OK Don via Mercedes 
December 20, 2019 at 1:06 PM
The screaming can be scale on the element - holding water there long 
enough

to boil before letting other seep in and then boil.
Hotter than it should be is the thermostat.
Maybe both ---
They are not that expensive and not hard to replace ...


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Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Dark nights in Confœderatio Helvetica in 30 years.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM
SWITZERLAND47-year-old nuclear power plant shuts down on live TVPublished:
Friday, December 20, 2019

Switzerland today shut down one of its oldest nuclear power plants, 
part of
a plan to end the domestic production of atomic energy before the 
middle of

the century


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric water heater screaming at me

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The screaming can be scale on the element - holding water there long enough
to boil before letting other seep in and then boil.
Hotter than it should be is the thermostat.
Maybe both ---
They are not that expensive and not hard to replace ...

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 12:58 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The thermostats appear to be functional and it only screams when the lower
> element is powered.
> If the top thermostat is off and the lower thermostat is on, it screams.
> If the water in the bottom gets over 100°F, you can turn off the lower
> thermostat and the noise stops.
> Turn the lower thermostat up and within seconds the noise resumes.
> Should I blindly replace the temperature/pressure relief valve, pull the
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Re: [MBZ] Poos should buy this one for his new big garage

[dan--- via Mercedes]

Agreed. Appliance color, as we refer to it at home.

-D

> On Dec 20, 2019, at 1:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Charcoal gray/red leather is an awesome look for finnies.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:25 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> The fun is in the hunt!
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 12/20/19 11:11 AM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I recall this one from the last time around. Nice car, but lots of work
>> done on the body that would concern me for the long run.
>>> 
>>> I’ve got my eyes on a 1966 gasser that a guy has had on CL over by
>> Orlando for awhile. It started at $12k and several months later it’s down
>> to $9k. The seller is some gruff cracker guy who is allegedly selling it
>> for an aged owner as a favor, and he’s not very nice. I started out with
>> him on my sock puppet account but he ghosted me quick when I asked
>> questions and challenged the price. A few weeks later I reached out with my
>> real persona and within a couple of email exchanges he got nasty and blew
>> me off. He acknowledged that it’s really worth around $5k, but that the
>> owner thinks it’s worth far more and he’s not empowered to haggle.
>>> 
>>> I figure I’ll give him a few more months and see if I can go see it in
>> person. Maybe then he’ll have been worn down enough by the lack of activity
>> that he can convince the owner of the “real” value.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Dec 20, 2019, at 10:59 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Engine wiggles quite a bit. Martha would be replacing mounts galore.
>> What is that random white gauge between the HVAC sliders and the instrument
>> panel?
 I would drive that
 
 Bob R
 
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> On Dec 20, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mercedes-benz-200d-4/
> 
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[MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

SWITZERLAND47-year-old nuclear power plant shuts down on live TVPublished:
Friday, December 20, 2019

Switzerland today shut down one of its oldest nuclear power plants, part of
a plan to end the domestic production of atomic energy before the middle of
the century.

Operator BKW took the Mühleberg Nuclear Power Plant, located 25 miles west
of the capital Bern, off the grid shortly after midday in a ceremony
broadcast live by Switzerland's main public TV station.

BKW, which is majority owned by the canton of Bern, said it plans to begin
dismantling the plant in January, a process that will take until 2034.
Decommissioning and deposing of radioactive remains is estimated to cost 3
billion Swiss francs ($3.1 billion).

Mühleberg is the smallest of Switzerland's four remaining nuclear power
plants. It began operation in 1972.

After the 2011 Fukushima nuclear power plant disaster in Japan, Switzerland
decided to gradually phase out nuclear power.

Switzerland is home to the world's oldest still-operating nuclear power
plant, Beznau, which will be shut down toward the end of 2029.

The remaining two nuclear plants, Gösgen and Leibstadt, will be shuttered
around 2040 and 2045, respectively.

Switzerland plans to significantly increase the production of renewable
energy from solar and wind over the coming decades to meet its power needs.
As part of the European grid, Switzerland also buys electricity from
neighboring countries such as France, which has numerous nuclear power
plants.

Earlier this week, campaigners submitted enough signatures to force a
referendum on incorporating the goal of making Switzerland "climate
neutral" by 2050 in the country's constitution. Doing so would require
ending virtually all burning of fossil fuels by midcentury. *— Associated
Press*
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Re: [MBZ] OT Socks was Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 14:07:46 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  I know the type, or rather I've got some that look similar and I don't
> like them. Socks are probably one of the most "personal taste" items
> around. If your feet aren't happy you won't be happy... -Curt


 If your feet aren't happy you won't be happy...

right up there with,

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Re: [MBZ] OT I probably couldn't fit in it

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:42:53 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> but I bet it would be grand fun
> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-genie-v8-sports-racer/

And you can take a passenger with you!


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Diff is only connected to subframe.  I think you've hit all the right
points.

I've got a spare subframe (no diff or axles) you can have if you want to
drag it away from SC.

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 1:28 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Karl or others:
>
> Since Karl has recently done this, I think he has most of the answers.
>
>   I am fixin ta take out the rear subframe of the 124 2.5.   As I
> recall, I have to take out the exhaust, driveshaft rear flex, sway bar
> links, shocks, brake calipers, ABS Sensor in Diff., parking brake
> cables, and of course, the 4 main subframe bolts.  Am I missing anything?
>
> As I recall, the diff has 2 big bolts at the back (10mm allen I think)
> and 2 smaller bolts at the front.   I think these are all into the
> subframe.  Is that right?
>
> What is the best way to lower the unit?   I hope I can balance it on the
> floor jack while I roll it out from under.
>
> More important, what is the best way to raise the subframe  back up into
> position?  Will I need stacks of blocks or an extra person to help
> balance it on the jack as it goes up?
>
> Need to replace the rear brake lines, brake hoses, possibly calipers, Rt
> wheel bearing, parking brake cables,  weld up some rusted holes in the
> body, patch others, derust, clean and paint subframe, and probably
> replace the links.   May need to replace the park brake shoes while
> there.   (YUK)
>
> It has no antislip, so single brake line to the rear, and a T.   I only
> need to replace the lines from the T out, and the hoses.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Poos should buy this one for his new big garage

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Charcoal gray/red leather is an awesome look for finnies.

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:25 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> The fun is in the hunt!
>
> --FT
>
> On 12/20/19 11:11 AM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > I recall this one from the last time around. Nice car, but lots of work
> done on the body that would concern me for the long run.
> >
> > I’ve got my eyes on a 1966 gasser that a guy has had on CL over by
> Orlando for awhile. It started at $12k and several months later it’s down
> to $9k. The seller is some gruff cracker guy who is allegedly selling it
> for an aged owner as a favor, and he’s not very nice. I started out with
> him on my sock puppet account but he ghosted me quick when I asked
> questions and challenged the price. A few weeks later I reached out with my
> real persona and within a couple of email exchanges he got nasty and blew
> me off. He acknowledged that it’s really worth around $5k, but that the
> owner thinks it’s worth far more and he’s not empowered to haggle.
> >
> > I figure I’ll give him a few more months and see if I can go see it in
> person. Maybe then he’ll have been worn down enough by the lack of activity
> that he can convince the owner of the “real” value.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Dec 20, 2019, at 10:59 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Engine wiggles quite a bit. Martha would be replacing mounts galore.
> What is that random white gauge between the HVAC sliders and the instrument
> panel?
> >> I would drive that
> >>
> >> Bob R
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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> >>>
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Karl or others:

Since Karl has recently done this, I think he has most of the answers.

 I am fixin ta take out the rear subframe of the 124 2.5.   As I 
recall, I have to take out the exhaust, driveshaft rear flex, sway bar 
links, shocks, brake calipers, ABS Sensor in Diff., parking brake 
cables, and of course, the 4 main subframe bolts.  Am I missing anything?


As I recall, the diff has 2 big bolts at the back (10mm allen I think) 
and 2 smaller bolts at the front.   I think these are all into the 
subframe.  Is that right?


What is the best way to lower the unit?   I hope I can balance it on the 
floor jack while I roll it out from under.


More important, what is the best way to raise the subframe  back up into 
position?  Will I need stacks of blocks or an extra person to help 
balance it on the jack as it goes up?


Need to replace the rear brake lines, brake hoses, possibly calipers, Rt 
wheel bearing, parking brake cables,  weld up some rusted holes in the 
body, patch others, derust, clean and paint subframe, and probably 
replace the links.   May need to replace the park brake shoes while 
there.   (YUK)


It has no antislip, so single brake line to the rear, and a T.   I only 
need to replace the lines from the T out, and the hoses.



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[MBZ] Very nice 210 in NJ with bad transmission pump

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I don't know why he doesn't pop in a junkyard tranny, but it looks like 
a really nice car. Somebody up NJ way needs to grab this


https://www.facebook.com/groups/222890474957451/596815980898230/


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· 
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Well she's done. Her transmission went. I'm selling her for $1000. 
Interior is near perfect, engine is strong and suspension is flawless. 
Anyone in New Jersey who's interested PM me and I will send you the address.




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Re: [MBZ] OT Socks was Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

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I buy those too, they are good.  Probably made in the same factory, or a 
reasonable analogue.


The Costco white cotton socks are really good too, nice and thick and 
wear very well.


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On 12/19/19 11:46 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Look like a knockoff of smartwool.   When I had to be in the cold all 
the time, my feet were happiest in the heavy smartwool with boots a 
size or 1.5 too big.  In fairness, out neighbors who run a 
hiking/outdoor store swear by the Darn Tough, but I've never had 
any.   I'd look for the smartwool on sale or let somebody give me a 
pair for christmas.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
December 19, 2019 at 9:10 PM

Somebody mentioned these in a sock discussion on another forum, and I 
bought a six pack yesterday.
They appear to be a suitable substitute at $18/6pr instead of $20/pr. 
Thicker than my Darn Tough socks, I'll let you know in a year if they 
are as durable. More wool and much less spandex than my DTs.




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric water heater screaming at me

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Looking at thermostats online, it looks like they have cheapened them 
and the removable pin is no longer there. The pointer just bumps up 
against the plastic housing now.

No quality anymore. Just junk.

Randy

On 20/12/2019 10:33 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

There are two thermostats.  Upper, and lower.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Socks was Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

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We just discovered the fancy wool socks after our backpacking son raved
about his Darn Tough socks. We went to the newly opened REI store in OKC
and found many choices - multiple thicknesses in multiple brands. I bought
one pair each of Darn Tough, Smartwool, and the REI house brand. So far, I
can not tell any difference (tried to match medium thickness across all of
them). However, the lifetime replacement guarantee from Darn Tough is hard
beat - time will tell.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:46 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Look like a knockoff of smartwool.   When I had to be in the cold all
> the time, my feet were happiest in the heavy smartwool with boots a size
> or 1.5 too big.  In fairness, out neighbors who run a hiking/outdoor
> store swear by the Darn Tough, but I've never had any.   I'd look for
> the smartwool on sale or let somebody give me a pair for christmas.
>
> > Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> > December 19, 2019 at 9:10 PM
> >
> > Somebody mentioned these in a sock discussion on another forum, and I
> bought a six pack yesterday.
> > They appear to be a suitable substitute at $18/6pr instead of $20/pr.
> Thicker than my Darn Tough socks, I'll let you know in a year if they are
> as durable. More wool and much less spandex than my DTs.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric water heater screaming at me

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Electric tanks normally last better than that in my experience.
Is it leaking somewhere? That might account for the high pitched squeal.
I think I would look first at the pressure relief valve. That might be 
the source of the sound if it is leaking slightly. If the tank is really 
hot that is supposed to bleed off pressure so that you do not create 
your very own rocket.
Thermostat should not be difficult to change and be readily available 
but I think I would check the elements to see if they are good first. I 
would think you can easily test the thermostat to see if it turns on and 
off with a multi meter just checking for continuity to see at what 
temperature it turns on and off. If you have a temperature meter of some 
sort, you can verify the actual tank temperature too.
I assume 240 Volt.  Are both elements the same? Sometimes a larger 
element on top and a smaller one on the bottom. I would normally test to 
see if they draw current by using a clamp on meter. They should draw 
equal current across each side. A 3000W element should draw somewhere 
around 12 amps if I recall correctly. P=V X I so you can easily 
calculate what the Amps should be given the size of the element and the 
voltage.
You may need to turn the upper element off in order to get the bottom 
one to turn on. They normally only work one at a time. If the upper will 
not turn down enough to shut off, use pliers and pull the little pin on 
the thermostat to permit you to turn the needle further back.
Should be lots more info on the net but HWT are pretty simple and you 
should be able to determine the problem and get parts from the local big 
box stores.


I trust you are aware that it is not a good idea to work on it with the 
power turned on except for the times when you need to check amperage etc.




On 20/12/2019 10:19 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Last night I heard a loud noise from the water heater, a continuous high pitch 
squeal.
Pulled the disconnect and it went away.
Hmm, it's not time to flush it but I'll do that.
Flushed it out, turned it back on and 90 minutes later it's squealing again.
Turn a faucet to relieve the pressure, and wow that's hot.
Pulled the disconnect again and took the cover off the thermostat.
With power on, it makes the noise. Turning the thermostat down does not stop 
the noise.
Turning the thermostat down all the way doesn't shut it off. And did I mention 
the water is hotter than usual?

Great...

So, either I learn how to swap a T-stat, I put the old propane heater back in, 
or a buy another electric one.
This one is only 6 1/2 years old, I was getting ready to buy a mag rod for it.
I guess GE timed the 6 year warranty nicely.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric water heater screaming at me

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

There are two thermostats.  Upper, and lower.

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Re: [MBZ] Poos should buy this one for his new big garage

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The fun is in the hunt!

--FT

On 12/20/19 11:11 AM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

I recall this one from the last time around. Nice car, but lots of work done on 
the body that would concern me for the long run.

I’ve got my eyes on a 1966 gasser that a guy has had on CL over by Orlando for 
awhile. It started at $12k and several months later it’s down to $9k. The 
seller is some gruff cracker guy who is allegedly selling it for an aged owner 
as a favor, and he’s not very nice. I started out with him on my sock puppet 
account but he ghosted me quick when I asked questions and challenged the 
price. A few weeks later I reached out with my real persona and within a couple 
of email exchanges he got nasty and blew me off. He acknowledged that it’s 
really worth around $5k, but that the owner thinks it’s worth far more and he’s 
not empowered to haggle.

I figure I’ll give him a few more months and see if I can go see it in person. 
Maybe then he’ll have been worn down enough by the lack of activity that he can 
convince the owner of the “real” value.

-D


On Dec 20, 2019, at 10:59 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

Engine wiggles quite a bit. Martha would be replacing mounts galore. What is 
that random white gauge between the HVAC sliders and the instrument panel?
I would drive that

Bob R

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 20, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mercedes-benz-200d-4/

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[MBZ] OT: Electric water heater screaming at me

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Last night I heard a loud noise from the water heater, a continuous high pitch 
squeal.
Pulled the disconnect and it went away. 
Hmm, it's not time to flush it but I'll do that. 
Flushed it out, turned it back on and 90 minutes later it's squealing again. 
Turn a faucet to relieve the pressure, and wow that's hot. 
Pulled the disconnect again and took the cover off the thermostat. 
With power on, it makes the noise. Turning the thermostat down does not stop 
the noise. 
Turning the thermostat down all the way doesn't shut it off. And did I mention 
the water is hotter than usual?

Great...

So, either I learn how to swap a T-stat, I put the old propane heater back in, 
or a buy another electric one. 
This one is only 6 1/2 years old, I was getting ready to buy a mag rod for it. 
I guess GE timed the 6 year warranty nicely. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Poos should buy this one for his new big garage

[dan--- via Mercedes]

I recall this one from the last time around. Nice car, but lots of work done on 
the body that would concern me for the long run.

I’ve got my eyes on a 1966 gasser that a guy has had on CL over by Orlando for 
awhile. It started at $12k and several months later it’s down to $9k. The 
seller is some gruff cracker guy who is allegedly selling it for an aged owner 
as a favor, and he’s not very nice. I started out with him on my sock puppet 
account but he ghosted me quick when I asked questions and challenged the 
price. A few weeks later I reached out with my real persona and within a couple 
of email exchanges he got nasty and blew me off. He acknowledged that it’s 
really worth around $5k, but that the owner thinks it’s worth far more and he’s 
not empowered to haggle.

I figure I’ll give him a few more months and see if I can go see it in person. 
Maybe then he’ll have been worn down enough by the lack of activity that he can 
convince the owner of the “real” value.

-D

> On Dec 20, 2019, at 10:59 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Engine wiggles quite a bit. Martha would be replacing mounts galore. What is 
> that random white gauge between the HVAC sliders and the instrument panel?
> I would drive that  
> 
> Bob R
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mercedes-benz-200d-4/
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Poos should buy this one for his new big garage

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Engine wiggles quite a bit. Martha would be replacing mounts galore. What is 
that random white gauge between the HVAC sliders and the instrument panel?
I would drive that  

Bob R

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 20, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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[MBZ] Poos should buy this one for his new big garage

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mercedes-benz-200d-4/

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Re: [MBZ] Nice 06 mercedes E320 cdi - $6500 (Charleston)

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Looks like he is over on Jim I?  I was over by there last night.

--FT

On 12/20/19 10:40 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

  Approach with caution. I think I've dealt with Kenny before, was not
pleasant to talk to.  Maybe he was having a bad day.  He had a nice 124 2.5
turbo on craigs list some years ago, someone asked me to get the
particulars on it, after 1 phone call the interest from the potential buyer
withered and died.  IIRC, Kenny was hostile to the idea of me inspecting a
car for the potential buyer and even hostile to getting a PPI, but wanted
big bucks. I think Kenny flips cars for a few bucks on the side.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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Kinda high but looks nice


https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/charleston-06-mercedes-e320-cdi/7041699288.html

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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones, long post

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

+1.

WiFi calling on T-Mobile has not worked well for us.  I disabled that on my
phone and SWMBO's.
-
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Charleston SC


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> I tried WIFI calling via Tmobile, but it was terrible
>
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[MBZ] OT I probably couldn't fit in it

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

but I bet it would be grand fun

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-genie-v8-sports-racer/

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Re: [MBZ] Nice 06 mercedes E320 cdi - $6500 (Charleston)

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 Approach with caution. I think I've dealt with Kenny before, was not
pleasant to talk to.  Maybe he was having a bad day.  He had a nice 124 2.5
turbo on craigs list some years ago, someone asked me to get the
particulars on it, after 1 phone call the interest from the potential buyer
withered and died.  IIRC, Kenny was hostile to the idea of me inspecting a
car for the potential buyer and even hostile to getting a PPI, but wanted
big bucks. I think Kenny flips cars for a few bucks on the side.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> Kinda high but looks nice
>
>
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/charleston-06-mercedes-e320-cdi/7041699288.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT Socks was Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Or just buy about 30 pair of the same socks!

Or don't GAS about whether they match or not!

-_FT

On 12/20/19 10:34 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Try this: get about fifty big safety pins (Amazon), and always pin your
dirty socks together when you take them off.  SWMBO implemented this policy
when SWMBette made her appearance, I really like the result.  No more
orphans, faster folding of clean cloths.  Heck, I don't even fold the socks
anymore, just toss the pinned pairs in the drawer, and pin the dirty pair
using the pin from the clean pair.  Takes up a bit more drawer space and
the mess of socks offends my sense of order, but the time savings is worth
it.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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I need the address of the sock orphanage to reunite my former pairs.



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Re: [MBZ] OT Socks was Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Try this: get about fifty big safety pins (Amazon), and always pin your
dirty socks together when you take them off.  SWMBO implemented this policy
when SWMBette made her appearance, I really like the result.  No more
orphans, faster folding of clean cloths.  Heck, I don't even fold the socks
anymore, just toss the pinned pairs in the drawer, and pin the dirty pair
using the pin from the clean pair.  Takes up a bit more drawer space and
the mess of socks offends my sense of order, but the time savings is worth
it.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> I need the address of the sock orphanage to reunite my former pairs.
>
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Re: [MBZ] How do I pull the radio head unit?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

They are dual purpose: instrument clusters and parking brake springs, but
not MB OE radios like yours.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:13 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> I thought the hooks were dual purpose; apparently not, though they will
> work as parking brake spring pullers.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones, long post

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

FYI my 4GLTE speed this morning is .002 MBps

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 20, 2019, at 9:14 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Well, I'll add some info too.  I've used ConsumerCellular for a long 
> time now and have not been disappointed.  Of my over 50 years dealing with 
> businesses, they have by far the best customer service.  I use two older 
> iPhones and they work fine on the road.  I use the ATT sims.  My home is in a 
> low area so I only get 1 bar at home, but still useable.  I'm adding an 
> outside antennae with inside booster to bring the inside signal up to 3-4 
> bars with my goal to drop my two land lines.  I tried WIFI calling via 
> Tmobile, but it was terrible so I went back to the ATT sim.  I've ordered a 
> stronger inside antennae to mate with the booster which should help even more.
> Before CC, I had Verizon and their predecessor for over 10years.  Cost and 
> fees finally forced me to change, plus their customer service was never good.
> Just some personal info.
> Best wishes for a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
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[MBZ] Nice 06 mercedes E320 cdi - $6500 (Charleston)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Kinda high but looks nice

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/charleston-06-mercedes-e320-cdi/7041699288.html

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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones, long post

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Well, I'll add some info too.  I've used ConsumerCellular for a long time 
now and have not been disappointed.  Of my over 50 years dealing with 
businesses, they have by far the best customer service.  I use two older 
iPhones and they work fine on the road.  I use the ATT sims.  My home is in a 
low area so I only get 1 bar at home, but still useable.  I'm adding an outside 
antennae with inside booster to bring the inside signal up to 3-4 bars with my 
goal to drop my two land lines.  I tried WIFI calling via Tmobile, but it was 
terrible so I went back to the ATT sim.  I've ordered a stronger inside 
antennae to mate with the booster which should help even more.
Before CC, I had Verizon and their predecessor for over 10years.  Cost and fees 
finally forced me to change, plus their customer service was never good.
Just some personal info.
Best wishes for a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones, long post

[dan--- via Mercedes]

I’ve mentioned this previously and it’s probably not an option for Kaleb, but 
around here Spectrum (Charter bought out Brighthouse and this is their new 
name) piggybacks on VZW for $14/month for 1Gb or $44/month for unlimited data. 
You can BYOD for newer phones (iPhone SE or 6s is the oldest Apple stuff, don’t 
know about Android) so you’re not even obligated to buy hardware from them, 
although they do offer device contracts like other carriers.

That’s an all inclusive price, too. I’m covering four lines right now with a 
monthly cost of $56. Your data is polled among the devices, too, so if the 
usage is lopsided and one exceeds their limit you don’t get dinged as long as 
you haven’t exceeded the total.

-D

> On Dec 20, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've got Republic. All the new phones are GSM on T-Mobile which is not 
> anywhere near as good as Sprint was. Its super spotty even in big cities like 
> LA and New York. Around here its weird pockets. For instance I've got no 
> service at all at camp, the phone says "no service" as opposed to the times 
> it says "Emergency calls only". By the garage (50 feet uphill) I've got voice 
> service and near the outhouse another 50 feet uphill I've got good LTE 
> coverage. I see similar when I'm hunting, in just the right spot I'll have 
> LTE but then 50 feet away I'll have nothing. Sometimes I have to put on 
> airplane mode and then turn it off to get the phone to find signal.
> I'm paying almost $40 with taxes, a comparable plan with Verizon would be 
> more than $90.
> -Curt
> 
>On Friday, December 20, 2019, 2:01:50 AM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I would add Republic to that list.  Especially if good Wi-Fi available where 
> you spend the most time.
> 
> For a land line OOMA reduced my cost a lot ($50 to $15 a month) and provides 
> additional useful features.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Curley McLain via Mercedes
>> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 11:56 PM
>> To: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cell phones, long post
>> 
>> Consumer cellular.  Att network.  good coverage.  $25/mo for first
>> fone.  $15/mp for additional.  Not happy that they support the
>> AARPfoolishnes.  Also look at patriot mobile and puretalk.
>> 
>> Puretalk maybe a better deal now.  Last time I looked, they were cheaper.  CC
>> sells you a data pool for all phones on the bill.  THat is good.  Puretalk 
>> may
>> make you buy data for each fone.
>> 
>> Verizon sucks.  Att sucks.  US cellular sucks more than either.  It was 
>> always
>> the most expensive carrier due to all their add on and gotcha fees.
>> 
>> Tmobile and sprint (and most other minor carriers) are only good if you are 
>> in
>> big cities or along major interstate highways.  (maybe on the
>> highways)
>>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  December
>>> 19, 2019 at 10:27 PM
>>> 
>>> I am currently in Fayetteville AR for work which is just right outside
>>> US Cellular coverage area. Guess what, data is so slow it is not
>>> usable. Before we left for trip went to the local US Cellular store to
>>> add a line for the other kid then the wife decides she wants to get a
>>> new phone since hers was just paid off. I did not want to do this
>>> since phones were paid off and was going to have to move service if US
>>> Cellular continued to not work while out of town (remember I had not
>>> traveled lately). If I would have known I still could not use their
>>> data while traveling I would not have agreed to new phones there,
>>> would have switched.
>>> 
>>> So, now I am going to have to move my line to a different carrier and
>>> will have to leave the other lines with them since they now have a
>>> phone payment. Or else pay off the phones which I don’t want to do. I
>>> am looking at either Verizon or T Mobile. I like Verizon because they
>>> have better coverage but T Mobile is not far behind them as far as I
>>> call tell. Both include Mexico and Canada which is important because I
>>> will be traveling to Canada for work on occasion. The thing swaying me
>>> toward T mobile is the fact that they include free WiFi on flights,
>>> and they are a little cheaper.
>>> 
>>> Anybody have a bad experience with them or any other feedback?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Socks was Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I need the address of the sock orphanage to reunite my former pairs.

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 9:08 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I know the type, or rather I've got some that look similar and I don't
> like them. Socks are probably one of the most "personal taste" items
> around. If your feet aren't happy you won't be happy...
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, December 19, 2019, 10:11:32 PM EST, Mitch Haley via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>
> > On December 19, 2019 at 9:48 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > OTOH "Darn Tough" socks are the best I've ever worn and I'm not buying
> anything else. They're the most expensive socks I've ever had and worth
> every penny. Made in USA too.
>
> Somebody mentioned these in a sock discussion on another forum, and I
> bought a six pack yesterday.
> They appear to be a suitable substitute at $18/6pr instead of $20/pr.
> Thicker than my Darn Tough socks, I'll let you know in a year if they are
> as durable. More wool and much less spandex than my
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Re: [MBZ] How do I pull the radio head unit?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The lights in my HVAC unit are out, which makes for confusion at night.  
Apparently they are just small standard bulbs, so I need to pull that 
out and get some new ones.  Trouble is, I never remember to do it when 
it is daylight, only after trying to adjust it at night!


--FT

On 12/19/19 11:12 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 21:48:17 -0500 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:


I just bought a set on Amazon for $6. Arrived in 1.5days

YIQI Radio Removal Tool Key Tool... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Q3VC8TR

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On Dec 19, 2019, at 8:42 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes
 wrote:

Those hooks are for pulling the cluster.  Radio takes another key
set that inserts into those channels.  There is a finger loop on your
side and the blade end tapers to a pointed end that will engage the
spring metal detents, releasing their hold on the radio.  At that
point you can use the hooks to engage the face and pull the radio out


Thank you both for the information.

I thought the hooks were dual purpose; apparently not, though they will
work as parking brake spring pullers.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones, long post

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I've got Republic. All the new phones are GSM on T-Mobile which is not 
anywhere near as good as Sprint was. Its super spotty even in big cities like 
LA and New York. Around here its weird pockets. For instance I've got no 
service at all at camp, the phone says "no service" as opposed to the times it 
says "Emergency calls only". By the garage (50 feet uphill) I've got voice 
service and near the outhouse another 50 feet uphill I've got good LTE 
coverage. I see similar when I'm hunting, in just the right spot I'll have LTE 
but then 50 feet away I'll have nothing. Sometimes I have to put on airplane 
mode and then turn it off to get the phone to find signal.
I'm paying almost $40 with taxes, a comparable plan with Verizon would be more 
than $90.
-Curt

On Friday, December 20, 2019, 2:01:50 AM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I would add Republic to that list.  Especially if good Wi-Fi available where 
you spend the most time.

For a land line OOMA reduced my cost a lot ($50 to $15 a month) and provides 
additional useful features.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curley McLain via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 11:56 PM
> To: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cell phones, long post
> 
> Consumer cellular.  Att network.  good coverage.  $25/mo for first
> fone.  $15/mp for additional.  Not happy that they support the
> AARPfoolishnes.  Also look at patriot mobile and puretalk.
> 
> Puretalk maybe a better deal now.  Last time I looked, they were cheaper.  CC
> sells you a data pool for all phones on the bill.  THat is good.  Puretalk may
> make you buy data for each fone.
> 
> Verizon sucks.  Att sucks.  US cellular sucks more than either.  It was always
> the most expensive carrier due to all their add on and gotcha fees.
> 
> Tmobile and sprint (and most other minor carriers) are only good if you are in
> big cities or along major interstate highways.  (maybe on the
> highways)
> > Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  December
> > 19, 2019 at 10:27 PM
> >
> > I am currently in Fayetteville AR for work which is just right outside
> > US Cellular coverage area. Guess what, data is so slow it is not
> > usable. Before we left for trip went to the local US Cellular store to
> > add a line for the other kid then the wife decides she wants to get a
> > new phone since hers was just paid off. I did not want to do this
> > since phones were paid off and was going to have to move service if US
> > Cellular continued to not work while out of town (remember I had not
> > traveled lately). If I would have known I still could not use their
> > data while traveling I would not have agreed to new phones there,
> > would have switched.
> >
> > So, now I am going to have to move my line to a different carrier and
> > will have to leave the other lines with them since they now have a
> > phone payment. Or else pay off the phones which I don’t want to do. I
> > am looking at either Verizon or T Mobile. I like Verizon because they
> > have better coverage but T Mobile is not far behind them as far as I
> > call tell. Both include Mexico and Canada which is important because I
> > will be traveling to Canada for work on occasion. The thing swaying me
> > toward T mobile is the fact that they include free WiFi on flights,
> > and they are a little cheaper.
> >
> > Anybody have a bad experience with them or any other feedback?
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT Socks was Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I know the type, or rather I've got some that look similar and I don't like 
them. Socks are probably one of the most "personal taste" items around. If your 
feet aren't happy you won't be happy...
-Curt

On Thursday, December 19, 2019, 10:11:32 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 
> On December 19, 2019 at 9:48 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:

> OTOH "Darn Tough" socks are the best I've ever worn and I'm not buying 
> anything else. They're the most expensive socks I've ever had and worth every 
> penny. Made in USA too.

Somebody mentioned these in a sock discussion on another forum, and I bought a 
six pack yesterday. 
They appear to be a suitable substitute at $18/6pr instead of $20/pr. Thicker 
than my Darn Tough socks, I'll let you know in a year if they are as durable. 
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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones, long post

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

My neighbor asked me about CC because she can get it cheap through AARP, so I 
looked into it last month. 
I didn't see any CC plans that I couldn't equal or beat with Red Pocket or 
Tracfone (now that Tracfone has monthly plans), and the AARP 5% off didn't 
change that. TF gives 5-10% off to anybody if they sign up for auto-renew. 

If T-Mo coverage is good enough for you, Mint has really great prices. 
One of my Tracfones is currently on T-Mo. Coverage sucks away from towns and 
freeways, but I do get some signal at home which I didn't 8 years ago. When 
it's working, it's faster than VZN but I can't seem to complete a phone call 
from my house without getting dropped. A couple months ago it took me several 
calls just to listen to my voice mails. 

All the MNVOs buy tower time from the majors, I forget who CC uses, but TF uses 
ATT,VZN,and T-Mo, RP uses ATT,VZN,T-Mo and Sprint. The only differences between 
MNVOs are whose towers they put you on and how easy they are to deal with when 
you need to change or fix something. RP has some really great deals on eBay if 
you're willing to use T-Mo or Sprint (is Sprint still considered better than 
VZN in California?). 

VZN pricing is much closer to MNVO pricing than it used to be, especially for 
heavy or unlimited users. You can get a better plan from VZN for $30 now than 
my niece used to pay $60 for (but they gave her a new phone every 24 months 
when she was paying $60).

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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones, long post

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

We switched from Sprint / Ting to T-Mobile last year, happy so far. Family 
plan, unlimited data. I don't know about using both data and phone line at same 
time. We brought our own phones, right now two are Android, one iPhone. No 
rural use to speak of, so I can't help you there.



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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones, long post

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I have spent quite a few times comparing cell coverage maps. Vz isn’t best 
overall but T mobile came in a close 2nd. I may give them a try and if they 
don’t work where I need it I will move to VZ. I may check out CC. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 20, 2019, at 5:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I agree with that assessment 5-10 yrs ago, but I think it is dated now.   
> Kleb needs to look at the current coverage maps for vz and att, and the 
> piggyback carriers mentioned that WILL save him a ton of money and enable 
> buying a few more MBb per year.   The one with the best coverage for the 
> places he goes wins!...
> 
> I was shocked to find that ATT has better coverage in the places I spend most 
> of my time than vz.  and also very surprised that the CC coverage is also 
> BETTER than vz.
> Att has been putting up more towers while Vz has been happy with what they 
> had 5 yrs ago and raping their shrinking customer base.
> 
> If Kleb can get coverage for where he goes with CC or one of the other 
> piggyback carriers mentioned, he will save big money.
> 
>> dan--- via Mercedes 
>> December 20, 2019 at 4:14 AM
>> Here’s the straight poop from someone who was involved heavily in the 
>> buildout of both AT&T and Verizon’s cellular networks:
>> 
>> Both carriers have the highest number of cells nationwide of any carrier 
>> that is a primary, with Verizon having the most. All the others, save 
>> Sprint, are piggybacking on one of the big guys. The piggyback contracts 
>> have limitations on the number of cells available and the coverage areas.
>> 
>> Go with Verizon. They are the best as far as coverage between the two. 
>> They’ll rape you on their plans, but that’s the price you pay for 
>> accessibility. I’ve used them continuously since the early 1990s and never 
>> had a coverage or bandwidth issue. The few times I had poor signals in a 
>> fixed area I frequented, I called them and reported it and found the issue 
>> resolved within a few days. They can tune their coverage and will do so if 
>> they get enough tickets reporting it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones, long post

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I transferred my land line to ooma years ago. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 20, 2019, at 1:01 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would add Republic to that list.  Especially if good Wi-Fi available where 
> you spend the most time.
> 
> For a land line OOMA reduced my cost a lot ($50 to $15 a month) and provides 
> additional useful features.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Curley McLain via Mercedes
>> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 11:56 PM
>> To: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cell phones, long post
>> 
>> Consumer cellular.   Att network.  good coverage.   $25/mo for first
>> fone.  $15/mp for additional.   Not happy that they support the
>> AARPfoolishnes.   Also look at patriot mobile and puretalk.
>> 
>> Puretalk maybe a better deal now.   Last time I looked, they were cheaper.   
>> CC
>> sells you a data pool for all phones on the bill.  THat is good.  Puretalk 
>> may
>> make you buy data for each fone.
>> 
>> Verizon sucks.   Att sucks.   US cellular sucks more than either.   It was 
>> always
>> the most expensive carrier due to all their add on and gotcha fees.
>> 
>> Tmobile and sprint (and most other minor carriers) are only good if you are 
>> in
>> big cities or along major interstate highways.  (maybe on the
>> highways)
>>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  December
>>> 19, 2019 at 10:27 PM
>>> 
>>> I am currently in Fayetteville AR for work which is just right outside
>>> US Cellular coverage area. Guess what, data is so slow it is not
>>> usable. Before we left for trip went to the local US Cellular store to
>>> add a line for the other kid then the wife decides she wants to get a
>>> new phone since hers was just paid off. I did not want to do this
>>> since phones were paid off and was going to have to move service if US
>>> Cellular continued to not work while out of town (remember I had not
>>> traveled lately). If I would have known I still could not use their
>>> data while traveling I would not have agreed to new phones there,
>>> would have switched.
>>> 
>>> So, now I am going to have to move my line to a different carrier and
>>> will have to leave the other lines with them since they now have a
>>> phone payment. Or else pay off the phones which I don’t want to do. I
>>> am looking at either Verizon or T Mobile. I like Verizon because they
>>> have better coverage but T Mobile is not far behind them as far as I
>>> call tell. Both include Mexico and Canada which is important because I
>>> will be traveling to Canada for work on occasion. The thing swaying me
>>> toward T mobile is the fact that they include free WiFi on flights,
>>> and they are a little cheaper.
>>> 
>>> Anybody have a bad experience with them or any other feedback?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones, long post

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I agree with that assessment 5-10 yrs ago, but I think it is dated 
now.   Kleb needs to look at the current coverage maps for vz and att, 
and the piggyback carriers mentioned that WILL save him a ton of money 
and enable buying a few more MBb per year.   The one with the best 
coverage for the places he goes wins!...


I was shocked to find that ATT has better coverage in the places I spend 
most of my time than vz.  and also very surprised that the CC coverage 
is also BETTER than vz.
Att has been putting up more towers while Vz has been happy with what 
they had 5 yrs ago and raping their shrinking customer base.


If Kleb can get coverage for where he goes with CC or one of the other 
piggyback carriers mentioned, he will save big money.



dan--- via Mercedes 
December 20, 2019 at 4:14 AM
Here’s the straight poop from someone who was involved heavily in the 
buildout of both AT&T and Verizon’s cellular networks:


Both carriers have the highest number of cells nationwide of any 
carrier that is a primary, with Verizon having the most. All the 
others, save Sprint, are piggybacking on one of the big guys. The 
piggyback contracts have limitations on the number of cells available 
and the coverage areas.


Go with Verizon. They are the best as far as coverage between the two. 
They’ll rape you on their plans, but that’s the price you pay for 
accessibility. I’ve used them continuously since the early 1990s and 
never had a coverage or bandwidth issue. The few times I had poor 
signals in a fixed area I frequented, I called them and reported it 
and found the issue resolved within a few days. They can tune their 
coverage and will do so if they get enough tickets reporting it.


-D



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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones, long post

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

When I was  on the road in the boonies, I had to have verizon, who 
delighted in ripping me for $200 to $300+ a month  (30¢ to 60¢ a min, 
unless someone from Canada called me when it was dollars per min)


CC has highly rated customer service (WAY better than Vz was) with 
people in the USA for whom Merkun English is the FIRST language (imagine 
that!) and has coverage anywhere ATT has service.   For the places I go 
now (Often still in the boonies) and nearly border to border, and 
Appalachia to west coast, the coverage is even better than vz.  within a 
few weeks it will be cost to coast to coast and border to border.   I 
expect no problems between the Appalachians to the east coast.


I continually had dropped calls and no service with Vz, and it is very 
rate with CC.    Even their spokesman dumped verizon.


I started with GTE, who had good service and competitive rates, and 
ended up with vz when they gobbled up GTE, and outrageously high 
rates.   I was never happier than when I kissed Vz goodbye forever.

Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
December 20, 2019 at 1:06 AM
IMHO, if you travel significantly you should stick with AT&T or Verizon.
We tried
T-Mobile, and almost from the first day it was unusable. Dropped calls 
when

crossing towers, random slowness due to 'foreign' towers, and the vaunted
fallback
to AT&T only happens when/where AT&T allows this, which is not everywhere.
(It's on a tower-by-tower basis, not a global policy.)

Basically my phone was only AT&T at home, which does NOT have the same
speeds and quantities that T-Mobile was advertising. And there was no
service
at my brother's, or the beach cabin, in spite of the coverage maps.

Bah.

The AT&T rep said that the alternate carriers are good, when you are 
in the

towns
they support, but as soon as you go any distance from there things fall
apart. For
actual coverage, only the big two have that.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones, long post

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Right, but Republic is google spyfone  only.   No ifones allowed.


Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
December 20, 2019 at 1:01 AM
I would add Republic to that list. Especially if good Wi-Fi available 
where you spend the most time.


For a land line OOMA reduced my cost a lot ($50 to $15 a month) and 
provides additional useful features.





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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones, long post

[dan--- via Mercedes]

Here’s the straight poop from someone who was involved heavily in the buildout 
of both AT&T and Verizon’s cellular networks:

Both carriers have the highest number of cells nationwide of any carrier that 
is a primary, with Verizon having the most. All the others, save Sprint, are 
piggybacking on one of the big guys. The piggyback contracts have limitations 
on the number of cells available and the coverage areas.

Go with Verizon. They are the best as far as coverage between the two. They’ll 
rape you on their plans, but that’s the price you pay for accessibility. I’ve 
used them continuously since the early 1990s and never had a coverage or 
bandwidth issue. The few times I had poor signals in a fixed area I frequented, 
I called them and reported it and found the issue resolved within a few days. 
They can tune their coverage and will do so if they get enough tickets 
reporting it.

-D

On Dec 20, 2019, at 2:46 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>> Kaleb wrote:
> 
>> I don’t want to do. I am looking at either Verizon or T Mobile.
> 
>> Anybody have a bad experience with them or any other feedback? 
> 
> T-Mobile is the Google-Fi carrier that covers here.  Fairly
> dependable, but I can't speak for an actual T-Mobile account.
> T-Mobile was the biggest single buyer of the 600 MHz TV spectrum
> and they claim that their goal with the lease is to better cover
> rural areas.
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