[MBZ] UHOH here we go again

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/charleston-2001-mercedes-benz-ml320/7051257122.html

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[MBZ] Not half bad, cheap enough 1974 Mercedes-Benz 240d

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/599387307294572/

1974 Mercedes-Benz 240d
West Columbia, SC· 4 hours ago 
· 


$1,500

 * About This Vehicle

 *
 o

 o Driven 220,000 miles
 *
 o

 o Automatic transmission
 *
 o

 o Exterior color: White

Seller's Description

1974 Mercedes 240d ,auto, diesel,red interior complete,diesel engine 
,complete trim outside,runs,but has brake problem,needs be towed, good 
project for restoration, straight body $1500 o.b.o.,title in hand


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Re: [MBZ] Not half bad, cheap enough 1974 Mercedes-Benz 240d

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

No not bad at all

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/599387307294572/
> 
> 1974 Mercedes-Benz 240d
> West Columbia, SC· 4 hours ago 
> ·
>  
> $1,500
> 
> * About This Vehicle
> 
> *
> o
> 
> o Driven 220,000 miles
> *
> o
> 
> o Automatic transmission
> *
> o
> 
> o Exterior color: White
> 
> Seller's Description
> 
> 1974 Mercedes 240d ,auto, diesel,red interior complete,diesel engine 
> ,complete trim outside,runs,but has brake problem,needs be towed, good 
> project for restoration, straight body $1500 o.b.o.,title in hand
> 
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Re: [MBZ] UHOH here we go again

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

"breaks need to be replaced"
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Re: [MBZ] UHOH here we go again

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Maintenance is expensive so I run them into the ground then buy another.
This one still runs though.

Can't fault the guy for being honest about it.

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[MBZ] Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Craig via Mercedes]

I mentioned recently about us talking about pizzas; well today I found
the original email. It's attached below.


Craig


Begin forwarded message:

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:58:43 -0500
From: Allan Streib 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] pizza oven talk


Conveyor ovens are awful.  They do produce a consistent quality pie
without the need for any real skill on the part of the operator, which
is why the chain pizzarias use them.  Unfortunately for the consumer,
however, the consistent quality they achieve is not excellent or even
good, but medocre.

In college I worked at a Domino's franchise.  Not world class pizza
maybe, but at the time really not bad.  Back then they used deck ovens,
which were later replaced by conveyors.  The pizza took a noticable turn
for the worse at that point.  Same dough, sauce, cheese and toppings;
the only difference was the ovens.

The deck ovens could turn out a really nice crust, nicely browned and
crispy on the surface but moist, airy and flavorful on the inside,
cheese carmelized on the surface but melted and stringy underneath, the
tastes of the toppings individually discernable.  The conveyor ovens,
with the same ingredients going in, turned out a tough cardboard-like
crust that had no crunch, with the cheese and all the toppings hardened
into a tasteless, dehydrated layer on the surface.

All the chain pizzarias here, as well as most of the independents, use
conveyor ovens now.  Some do better than others, but the best pizza we
have is found at one or two independents that still use deck ovens.

Our deck ovens at Domino's were electric, and ran at about 580 degrees
F.  A coal-fired brick oven could approach 1,000 degrees.  Intense
radiant heat is the key to a great pizza.  Baking at these temperatures
requires experience and attention.  The difference between an underbaked
and a burnt pizza can literally be a matter of seconds.

Aside from the oven, another critical element of a good pizza crust is
the flour.  You need to use a high protein flour, which you cannot buy
at the typical supermarket.  So-called "bread flour" is better than
all-purpose, but still not ideal.  The best I've tried is "Sir Lancelot"
high-gluten flour from the King Arthur flour company.  You can order it
on-line.  With this flour, you really have to work the dough to develop
the gluten, so it's best to use an electric mixer such as a Kitchen-Aid.

For anyone interested, I can enthusiastically recommend a book on the
topic, "American Pie: My Search for the Perfect Pizza" by Peter
Reinhart.  The first half is sort of a diary or narrative of his "hunt",
starting in Italy then moving to New York and across the USA, sampling
and comparing locally famous pizzarias.  The second half is a collection
of recipes and instructions for how to make a decent pizza at home from
scratch.  The author's love for his subject is obvious throughout.

Allan
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[MBZ] repair undercoating

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Has anyone figured out a way to effectively spray undercoating into a 
blind bodywork box using a rattle can undercoat?


I know the ziebart folks had special nozzles, but is there a way we can 
achieve similar results?


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Re: [MBZ] repair undercoating

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

A little pricey at $71, but exactly what you are looking for:

https://www.eastwood.com/undercoating-gun-with-2-hoses-and-bottle.html


-
Max
Charleston SC


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> Has anyone figured out a way to effectively spray undercoating into a
> blind bodywork box using a rattle can undercoat?
>
> I know the ziebart folks had special nozzles, but is there a way we can
> achieve similar results?
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Re: [MBZ] repair undercoating

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I think I remember also seeing on the Eastwood site some sort of disposable
hose that could be used on a typical spray can, pull off the existing
nozzle and put this hose / nozzle assembly in place and go to work.  Did
Craig post that some years ago?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:22 PM Meade Dillon  wrote:

> A little pricey at $71, but exactly what you are looking for:
>
> https://www.eastwood.com/undercoating-gun-with-2-hoses-and-bottle.html
>
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:03 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone figured out a way to effectively spray undercoating into a
>> blind bodywork box using a rattle can undercoat?
>>
>> I know the ziebart folks had special nozzles, but is there a way we can
>> achieve similar results?
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Re: [MBZ] repair undercoating

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Here it is:

https://www.eastwood.com/aerosol-nozzle-w-24-extension-hose.html

Not bad, about $10
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:23 PM Meade Dillon  wrote:

> I think I remember also seeing on the Eastwood site some sort of
> disposable hose that could be used on a typical spray can, pull off the
> existing nozzle and put this hose / nozzle assembly in place and go to
> work.  Did Craig post that some years ago?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:22 PM Meade Dillon  wrote:
>
>> A little pricey at $71, but exactly what you are looking for:
>>
>> https://www.eastwood.com/undercoating-gun-with-2-hoses-and-bottle.html
>>
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:03 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone figured out a way to effectively spray undercoating into a
>>> blind bodywork box using a rattle can undercoat?
>>>
>>> I know the ziebart folks had special nozzles, but is there a way we can
>>> achieve similar results?
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I remember reading that as well.

I'm totally spoiled, having eaten pizza in bella Napoli for years and
years.  On the must-do list at every trip to Italy is pizza made in a real
brick oven, the closer to Naples the better.

Once when family was visiting, we all went to a local pizza ristorante to
pick up about five pizzas.  The pizza oven was right up front next to the
cashier, big wood fired brick oven, heated up like a blast furnace.  We had
so much fun just watching the chef build each pizza, put them all into the
oven, and then turn them a time or two and minutes after they went in, they
came back out, perfectly done.  Family from the mid-west was suitably
impressed, probably their favorite event of the day, talked about that
pizza oven experience for a long time afterward.

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 1:26 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I mentioned recently about us talking about pizzas; well today I found
> the original email. It's attached below.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:58:43 -0500
> From: Allan Streib 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] pizza oven talk
>
>
> Conveyor ovens are awful.  They do produce a consistent quality pie
> without the need for any real skill on the part of the operator, which
> is why the chain pizzarias use them.  Unfortunately for the consumer,
> however, the consistent quality they achieve is not excellent or even
> good, but medocre.
>
> In college I worked at a Domino's franchise.  Not world class pizza
> maybe, but at the time really not bad.  Back then they used deck ovens,
> which were later replaced by conveyors.  The pizza took a noticable turn
> for the worse at that point.  Same dough, sauce, cheese and toppings;
> the only difference was the ovens.
>
> The deck ovens could turn out a really nice crust, nicely browned and
> crispy on the surface but moist, airy and flavorful on the inside,
> cheese carmelized on the surface but melted and stringy underneath, the
> tastes of the toppings individually discernable.  The conveyor ovens,
> with the same ingredients going in, turned out a tough cardboard-like
> crust that had no crunch, with the cheese and all the toppings hardened
> into a tasteless, dehydrated layer on the surface.
>
> All the chain pizzarias here, as well as most of the independents, use
> conveyor ovens now.  Some do better than others, but the best pizza we
> have is found at one or two independents that still use deck ovens.
>
> Our deck ovens at Domino's were electric, and ran at about 580 degrees
> F.  A coal-fired brick oven could approach 1,000 degrees.  Intense
> radiant heat is the key to a great pizza.  Baking at these temperatures
> requires experience and attention.  The difference between an underbaked
> and a burnt pizza can literally be a matter of seconds.
>
> Aside from the oven, another critical element of a good pizza crust is
> the flour.  You need to use a high protein flour, which you cannot buy
> at the typical supermarket.  So-called "bread flour" is better than
> all-purpose, but still not ideal.  The best I've tried is "Sir Lancelot"
> high-gluten flour from the King Arthur flour company.  You can order it
> on-line.  With this flour, you really have to work the dough to develop
> the gluten, so it's best to use an electric mixer such as a Kitchen-Aid.
>
> For anyone interested, I can enthusiastically recommend a book on the
> topic, "American Pie: My Search for the Perfect Pizza" by Peter
> Reinhart.  The first half is sort of a diary or narrative of his "hunt",
> starting in Italy then moving to New York and across the USA, sampling
> and comparing locally famous pizzarias.  The second half is a collection
> of recipes and instructions for how to make a decent pizza at home from
> scratch.  The author's love for his subject is obvious throughout.
>
> Allan
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> Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 254 kmi
>  1994 E420 117 kmi
>Past: 1964 190Dc
>  1972 220D/8
>  1972 220/8
>  1987 190E/2.3
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>
> Craig
>
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>  '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville   210 kmi
>  (the Big Red Van, BRV)
>  '00 Kenworth W900  Helmut 943 kmi
>
>Past: '90 E300D/2.

Re: [MBZ] repair undercoating

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I used Fluid Film for the insides of the rockers and other body panels on the 
finnie. They have a kit with a long hose and spray nozzle on the end you can 
thread into a cavity and unload:

https://www.fluid-film.com/automotive-applications/ 


The three can kit with the long hose:

https://tinyurl.com/ygs99k7k

Only drawback is that it makes you car smell like sheep. Not a problem as long 
as there aren’t any shepherds nearby. Wicked awesome stuff.

-D




> On Jan 7, 2020, at 2:02 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone figured out a way to effectively spray undercoating into a blind 
> bodywork box using a rattle can undercoat?
> 
> I know the ziebart folks had special nozzles, but is there a way we can 
> achieve similar results?
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There is an Italian restaurant in downtown Tampa that has a “real” wood fired 
brick pizza oven that we frequent for lunch. Takes no time at all to get a 
pizza. Better than the New York pizza place around the corner, I think.

-D


> On Jan 7, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I remember reading that as well.
> 
> I'm totally spoiled, having eaten pizza in bella Napoli for years and
> years.  On the must-do list at every trip to Italy is pizza made in a real
> brick oven, the closer to Naples the better.
> 
> Once when family was visiting, we all went to a local pizza ristorante to
> pick up about five pizzas.  The pizza oven was right up front next to the
> cashier, big wood fired brick oven, heated up like a blast furnace.  We had
> so much fun just watching the chef build each pizza, put them all into the
> oven, and then turn them a time or two and minutes after they went in, they
> came back out, perfectly done.  Family from the mid-west was suitably
> impressed, probably their favorite event of the day, talked about that
> pizza oven experience for a long time afterward.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 1:26 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> I mentioned recently about us talking about pizzas; well today I found
>> the original email. It's attached below.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:58:43 -0500
>> From: Allan Streib 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] pizza oven talk
>> 
>> 
>> Conveyor ovens are awful.  They do produce a consistent quality pie
>> without the need for any real skill on the part of the operator, which
>> is why the chain pizzarias use them.  Unfortunately for the consumer,
>> however, the consistent quality they achieve is not excellent or even
>> good, but medocre.
>> 
>> In college I worked at a Domino's franchise.  Not world class pizza
>> maybe, but at the time really not bad.  Back then they used deck ovens,
>> which were later replaced by conveyors.  The pizza took a noticable turn
>> for the worse at that point.  Same dough, sauce, cheese and toppings;
>> the only difference was the ovens.
>> 
>> The deck ovens could turn out a really nice crust, nicely browned and
>> crispy on the surface but moist, airy and flavorful on the inside,
>> cheese carmelized on the surface but melted and stringy underneath, the
>> tastes of the toppings individually discernable.  The conveyor ovens,
>> with the same ingredients going in, turned out a tough cardboard-like
>> crust that had no crunch, with the cheese and all the toppings hardened
>> into a tasteless, dehydrated layer on the surface.
>> 
>> All the chain pizzarias here, as well as most of the independents, use
>> conveyor ovens now.  Some do better than others, but the best pizza we
>> have is found at one or two independents that still use deck ovens.
>> 
>> Our deck ovens at Domino's were electric, and ran at about 580 degrees
>> F.  A coal-fired brick oven could approach 1,000 degrees.  Intense
>> radiant heat is the key to a great pizza.  Baking at these temperatures
>> requires experience and attention.  The difference between an underbaked
>> and a burnt pizza can literally be a matter of seconds.
>> 
>> Aside from the oven, another critical element of a good pizza crust is
>> the flour.  You need to use a high protein flour, which you cannot buy
>> at the typical supermarket.  So-called "bread flour" is better than
>> all-purpose, but still not ideal.  The best I've tried is "Sir Lancelot"
>> high-gluten flour from the King Arthur flour company.  You can order it
>> on-line.  With this flour, you really have to work the dough to develop
>> the gluten, so it's best to use an electric mixer such as a Kitchen-Aid.
>> 
>> For anyone interested, I can enthusiastically recommend a book on the
>> topic, "American Pie: My Search for the Perfect Pizza" by Peter
>> Reinhart.  The first half is sort of a diary or narrative of his "hunt",
>> starting in Italy then moving to New York and across the USA, sampling
>> and comparing locally famous pizzarias.  The second half is a collection
>> of recipes and instructions for how to make a decent pizza at home from
>> scratch.  The author's love for his subject is obvious throughout.
>> 
>> Allan
>> --
>> 1983 300D
>> 
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>> 
>> Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 254 kmi
>> 1994 E420 117 kmi
>>   Past: 1964 190Dc
>> 1972 220D/8
>> 1972 220/8
>> 1987 190E/2.3
>> 
>> /"\
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Re: [MBZ] repair undercoating

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

It’s bad stuff

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I used Fluid Film for the insides of the rockers and other body panels on 
> the finnie. They have a kit with a long hose and spray nozzle on the end you 
> can thread into a cavity and unload:
> 
> https://www.fluid-film.com/automotive-applications/ 
> 
> 
> The three can kit with the long hose:
> 
> https://tinyurl.com/ygs99k7k
> 
> Only drawback is that it makes you car smell like sheep. Not a problem as 
> long as there aren’t any shepherds nearby. Wicked awesome stuff.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 2:02 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone figured out a way to effectively spray undercoating into a blind 
>> bodywork box using a rattle can undercoat?
>> 
>> I know the ziebart folks had special nozzles, but is there a way we can 
>> achieve similar results?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] repair undercoating

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I was thinking more along the lines of a "clean in place" (CIP) ball for 
a tank.   A sphere with holes all around.   It will coat everything 
inside a tank or other enclosed space.    With the eastwood items, you 
still spray from one side to the other, so in a cube, you need access to 
all 6 sides.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
January 7, 2020 at 1:36 PM
Here it is:

https://www.eastwood.com/aerosol-nozzle-w-24-extension-hose.html

Not bad, about $10
-
Max
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] repair undercoating

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Baa-aaa-aa

It says it provides a coating for a year.   I am looking for a permanent 
thing.


Wally has a rustoleum product in a rattle can that appears to be their 
competitor to POR-15.   I think it may be a good first coat.   And, If I 
can't do any better, it may be the final coat.

Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
January 7, 2020 at 1:52 PM
It’s bad stuff

--FT
Sent from iPhone




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[MBZ] Got this cap today

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It's pretty nice

https://www.ebay.com/itm/401941449295

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Some Italian folks from CN moved down here to start a restaurant (they 
sold theirs there) and be with their son who was here and wanted start a 
restaurant, so it was a family place.  Opened just down the road, they 
put in a big wood oven.  Pizzas were great. One night my BIL was here 
and we decided to go there and see if it was open, it was so we walked 
in.  Turned out it was a "soft" opening for friends and whatever but 
they welcomed us in and gave us all kinds of stuff to sample, family 
style, it was awesome.  I used to get a pizza about once a week 
takeaway, not cheap but very good.  I'd call and by the time I got there 
5min later it was hot and done.


The woman had cancer (survived OK, a friend was her onc doc), but I 
think they decided it was time to move on so they sold the place and 
moved somewhere.  The new people of course had no "family" customer 
focus and the service became terrible.  I went in once to get a takeaway 
the girl at the door had no interest in serving me, unlike the previous 
woman who was a neighbor and friend.  I just gave up at that point, have 
not been back there for about 3 years.  But I ride my bike past the 
place when the oven is fired and I get a bit peckish...


--FT

On 1/7/20 2:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

There is an Italian restaurant in downtown Tampa that has a “real” wood fired 
brick pizza oven that we frequent for lunch. Takes no time at all to get a 
pizza. Better than the New York pizza place around the corner, I think.

-D



On Jan 7, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
wrote:

I remember reading that as well.

I'm totally spoiled, having eaten pizza in bella Napoli for years and
years.  On the must-do list at every trip to Italy is pizza made in a real
brick oven, the closer to Naples the better.

Once when family was visiting, we all went to a local pizza ristorante to
pick up about five pizzas.  The pizza oven was right up front next to the
cashier, big wood fired brick oven, heated up like a blast furnace.  We had
so much fun just watching the chef build each pizza, put them all into the
oven, and then turn them a time or two and minutes after they went in, they
came back out, perfectly done.  Family from the mid-west was suitably
impressed, probably their favorite event of the day, talked about that
pizza oven experience for a long time afterward.

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 1:26 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:


I mentioned recently about us talking about pizzas; well today I found
the original email. It's attached below.


Craig


Begin forwarded message:

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:58:43 -0500
From: Allan Streib 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] pizza oven talk


Conveyor ovens are awful.  They do produce a consistent quality pie
without the need for any real skill on the part of the operator, which
is why the chain pizzarias use them.  Unfortunately for the consumer,
however, the consistent quality they achieve is not excellent or even
good, but medocre.

In college I worked at a Domino's franchise.  Not world class pizza
maybe, but at the time really not bad.  Back then they used deck ovens,
which were later replaced by conveyors.  The pizza took a noticable turn
for the worse at that point.  Same dough, sauce, cheese and toppings;
the only difference was the ovens.

The deck ovens could turn out a really nice crust, nicely browned and
crispy on the surface but moist, airy and flavorful on the inside,
cheese carmelized on the surface but melted and stringy underneath, the
tastes of the toppings individually discernable.  The conveyor ovens,
with the same ingredients going in, turned out a tough cardboard-like
crust that had no crunch, with the cheese and all the toppings hardened
into a tasteless, dehydrated layer on the surface.

All the chain pizzarias here, as well as most of the independents, use
conveyor ovens now.  Some do better than others, but the best pizza we
have is found at one or two independents that still use deck ovens.

Our deck ovens at Domino's were electric, and ran at about 580 degrees
F.  A coal-fired brick oven could approach 1,000 degrees.  Intense
radiant heat is the key to a great pizza.  Baking at these temperatures
requires experience and attention.  The difference between an underbaked
and a burnt pizza can literally be a matter of seconds.

Aside from the oven, another critical element of a good pizza crust is
the flour.  You need to use a high protein flour, which you cannot buy
at the typical supermarket.  So-called "bread flour" is better than
all-purpose, but still not ideal.  The best I've tried is "Sir Lancelot"
high-gluten flour from the King Arthur flour company.  You can order it
on-line.  With this flour, you really have to work the dough to develop
the gluten, so it's best to use an electric mixer such as a Kitchen-Aid.

For anyone interested, I can enthusiastically recommend a book on the
topic, "American Pie: My Search for the Per

[MBZ] 500E same color as my daughters E320

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I really like the green.  So far the offer is not TOO bad...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mercedes-benz-500e-27/

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[MBZ] wow $20k 300TD

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Was this Andrew's?  Or is he BW99?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1984-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-23/

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Re: [MBZ] 500E same color as my daughters E320

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 15:56:38 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I really like the green.  So far the offer is not TOO bad...
> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mercedes-benz-500e-27/

If you want to see an offering which is very bad, check out,

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2008-alfa-romeo-8c-competizione/


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Wow that's going back a bit!

There are several pizzarias here with wood-fired ovens now.
Unfortunately a good one just went under, such is life in the
restaurant business.

Allan

Craig via Mercedes  writes:

> I mentioned recently about us talking about pizzas; well today I found
> the original email. It's attached below.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:58:43 -0500
> From: Allan Streib 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] pizza oven talk
>
>
> Conveyor ovens are awful.  They do produce a consistent quality pie
> without the need for any real skill on the part of the operator, which
> is why the chain pizzarias use them.  Unfortunately for the consumer,
> however, the consistent quality they achieve is not excellent or even
> good, but medocre.
>
> In college I worked at a Domino's franchise.  Not world class pizza
> maybe, but at the time really not bad.  Back then they used deck ovens,
> which were later replaced by conveyors.  The pizza took a noticable turn
> for the worse at that point.  Same dough, sauce, cheese and toppings;
> the only difference was the ovens.
>
> The deck ovens could turn out a really nice crust, nicely browned and
> crispy on the surface but moist, airy and flavorful on the inside,
> cheese carmelized on the surface but melted and stringy underneath, the
> tastes of the toppings individually discernable.  The conveyor ovens,
> with the same ingredients going in, turned out a tough cardboard-like
> crust that had no crunch, with the cheese and all the toppings hardened
> into a tasteless, dehydrated layer on the surface.
>
> All the chain pizzarias here, as well as most of the independents, use
> conveyor ovens now.  Some do better than others, but the best pizza we
> have is found at one or two independents that still use deck ovens.
>
> Our deck ovens at Domino's were electric, and ran at about 580 degrees
> F.  A coal-fired brick oven could approach 1,000 degrees.  Intense
> radiant heat is the key to a great pizza.  Baking at these temperatures
> requires experience and attention.  The difference between an underbaked
> and a burnt pizza can literally be a matter of seconds.
>
> Aside from the oven, another critical element of a good pizza crust is
> the flour.  You need to use a high protein flour, which you cannot buy
> at the typical supermarket.  So-called "bread flour" is better than
> all-purpose, but still not ideal.  The best I've tried is "Sir Lancelot"
> high-gluten flour from the King Arthur flour company.  You can order it
> on-line.  With this flour, you really have to work the dough to develop
> the gluten, so it's best to use an electric mixer such as a Kitchen-Aid.
>
> For anyone interested, I can enthusiastically recommend a book on the
> topic, "American Pie: My Search for the Perfect Pizza" by Peter
> Reinhart.  The first half is sort of a diary or narrative of his "hunt",
> starting in Italy then moving to New York and across the USA, sampling
> and comparing locally famous pizzarias.  The second half is a collection
> of recipes and instructions for how to make a decent pizza at home from
> scratch.  The author's love for his subject is obvious throughout.
>
> Allan
> -- 
> 1983 300D
>
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Re: [MBZ] repair undercoating

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Uhh, did you read the description?

" Featuring a machined brass nozzle that disperses the coating in a 360
degree fan pattern, this extension nozzle ensures you get full coverage."
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:56 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I was thinking more along the lines of a "clean in place" (CIP) ball for
> a tank.   A sphere with holes all around.   It will coat everything
> inside a tank or other enclosed space.With the eastwood items, you
> still spray from one side to the other, so in a cube, you need access to
> all 6 sides.
>
> > Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> > January 7, 2020 at 1:36 PM
> > Here it is:
> >
> > https://www.eastwood.com/aerosol-nozzle-w-24-extension-hose.html
> >
> > Not bad, about $10
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 500E same color as my daughters E320

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

same color My daughter's E320 winter beater was.   I liked the color.  
The engine, not...



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
January 7, 2020 at 2:56 PM
I really like the green.  So far the offer is not TOO bad...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mercedes-benz-500e-27/



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Re: [MBZ] repair undercoating

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yes.  it is a forward facing fan.    It does not spray back toward 
you.   It does not specify the cone angle.  Probably 45, so 22.5 each 
way from where you point it.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
January 7, 2020 at 3:25 PM
Uhh, did you read the description?

" Featuring a machined brass nozzle that disperses the coating in a 360
degree fan pattern, this extension nozzle ensures you get full coverage."
-
Max
Charleston SC


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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

To all you pizza purists out there, let me share a tale of...either wonderful 
EurAsian food fusion...or arrant cultural appropriation, depending on your PC 
stance:

Daisuke Matsumoto

and 

He was introduced to me by my DIL, who had worked with him at another 
restaurant here. He learned pizza in Naples, had a truck with a wood-fired 
oven. Made good pizza with interesting ingredients. 

Last year IIRC there was a series in the Oregonian newspaper doing a search for 
the best pizza in the metropolitan area. Portland has a reputation as the 
location of some world-class restaurants, while the suburb across the river 
that I call home is derided as a backward bunch of rubes: "Vantucky". And yet, 
the pizza truck in a microbrew parking lot won the Oregonian's top marks.

Unfortunately, pizza in not on my personal menu very often. And I must admit a 
certain chauvinistic aversion to Dice-K's, because of the Neapolitan vs. 
Sicilian style. My lineage is Sicilian and Calabrese. But I welcome the 
Japanese element!

Greg

Who grew up on Brooklyn pizza.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Meade Dillon 
via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 11:44 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Meade Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

I remember reading that as well.

I'm totally spoiled, having eaten pizza in bella Napoli for years and
years.  On the must-do list at every trip to Italy is pizza made in a real
brick oven, the closer to Naples the better.

Once when family was visiting, we all went to a local pizza ristorante to
pick up about five pizzas.  The pizza oven was right up front next to the
cashier, big wood fired brick oven, heated up like a blast furnace.  We had
so much fun just watching the chef build each pizza, put them all into the
oven, and then turn them a time or two and minutes after they went in, they
came back out, perfectly done.  Family from the mid-west was suitably
impressed, probably their favorite event of the day, talked about that
pizza oven experience for a long time afterward.

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 1:26 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I mentioned recently about us talking about pizzas; well today I found
> the original email. It's attached below.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:58:43 -0500
> From: Allan Streib 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] pizza oven talk
>
>
> Conveyor ovens are awful.  They do produce a consistent quality pie
> without the need for any real skill on the part of the operator, which
> is why the chain pizzarias use them.  Unfortunately for the consumer,
> however, the consistent quality they achieve is not excellent or even
> good, but medocre.
>
> In college I worked at a Domino's franchise.  Not world class pizza
> maybe, but at the time really not bad.  Back then they used deck ovens,
> which were later replaced by conveyors.  The pizza took a noticable turn
> for the worse at that point.  Same dough, sauce, cheese and toppings;
> the only difference was the ovens.
>
> The deck ovens could turn out a really nice crust, nicely browned and
> crispy on the surface but moist, airy and flavorful on the inside,
> cheese carmelized on the surface but melted and stringy underneath, the
> tastes of the toppings individually discernable.  The conveyor ovens,
> with the same ingredients going in, turned out a tough cardboard-like
> crust that had no crunch, with the cheese and all the toppings hardened
> into a tasteless, dehydrated layer on the surface.
>
> All the chain pizzarias here, as well as most of the independents, use
> conveyor ovens now.  Some do better than others, but the best pizza we
> have is found at one or two independents that still use deck ovens.
>
> Our deck ovens at Domino's were electric, and ran at about 580 degrees
> F.  A coal-fired brick oven could approach 1,000 degrees.  Intense
> radiant heat is the key to a great pizza.  Baking at these temperatures
> requires experience and attention.  The difference between an underbaked
> and a burnt pizza can literally be a matter of seconds.
>
> Aside from the oven, another critical element of a good pizza crust is
> the flour.  You need to use a high protein flour, which you cannot buy
> at the typical supermarket.  So-called "bread flour" is better than
> all-purpose, but still not ideal.  The best I've tried is "Sir Lancelot"
> high-gluten flour from the King Arthur flour company.  You can order it
> on-line.  With this flour, you really have to work the dough to develop
> the gluten, so it's best to use an electric mixer such as a Kitchen-Aid.
>
> For anyone interested, I can enthusiastically recommend a book on the
> topic, "American Pie: My Search for the Perfect Pizza" by Peter
> Reinhart.  The first half is sort of a diary or narrative of his "hunt",
> starting in Italy then moving to 

Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The menu looks like your basic Eye-talyun ingredients.  Did I miss the 
cultural appropriation?  Or is it because a japanese guy doing eye-talyun?


There is some Asian guy in Louisville maybe who is doing all kinds of 
interesting things with merkin food.  I guess it doesn't matter much 
about your heritage it's what you like.


--FT

On 1/7/20 4:53 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

To all you pizza purists out there, let me share a tale of...either wonderful 
EurAsian food fusion...or arrant cultural appropriation, depending on your PC 
stance:

Daisuke Matsumoto

and 

He was introduced to me by my DIL, who had worked with him at another 
restaurant here. He learned pizza in Naples, had a truck with a wood-fired 
oven. Made good pizza with interesting ingredients.

Last year IIRC there was a series in the Oregonian newspaper doing a search for the best 
pizza in the metropolitan area. Portland has a reputation as the location of some 
world-class restaurants, while the suburb across the river that I call home is derided as 
a backward bunch of rubes: "Vantucky". And yet, the pizza truck in a microbrew 
parking lot won the Oregonian's top marks.

Unfortunately, pizza in not on my personal menu very often. And I must admit a 
certain chauvinistic aversion to Dice-K's, because of the Neapolitan vs. 
Sicilian style. My lineage is Sicilian and Calabrese. But I welcome the 
Japanese element!

Greg

Who grew up on Brooklyn pizza.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Meade Dillon 
via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 11:44 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Meade Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

I remember reading that as well.

I'm totally spoiled, having eaten pizza in bella Napoli for years and
years.  On the must-do list at every trip to Italy is pizza made in a real
brick oven, the closer to Naples the better.

Once when family was visiting, we all went to a local pizza ristorante to
pick up about five pizzas.  The pizza oven was right up front next to the
cashier, big wood fired brick oven, heated up like a blast furnace.  We had
so much fun just watching the chef build each pizza, put them all into the
oven, and then turn them a time or two and minutes after they went in, they
came back out, perfectly done.  Family from the mid-west was suitably
impressed, probably their favorite event of the day, talked about that
pizza oven experience for a long time afterward.

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 1:26 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:


I mentioned recently about us talking about pizzas; well today I found
the original email. It's attached below.


Craig


Begin forwarded message:

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:58:43 -0500
From: Allan Streib 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] pizza oven talk


Conveyor ovens are awful.  They do produce a consistent quality pie
without the need for any real skill on the part of the operator, which
is why the chain pizzarias use them.  Unfortunately for the consumer,
however, the consistent quality they achieve is not excellent or even
good, but medocre.

In college I worked at a Domino's franchise.  Not world class pizza
maybe, but at the time really not bad.  Back then they used deck ovens,
which were later replaced by conveyors.  The pizza took a noticable turn
for the worse at that point.  Same dough, sauce, cheese and toppings;
the only difference was the ovens.

The deck ovens could turn out a really nice crust, nicely browned and
crispy on the surface but moist, airy and flavorful on the inside,
cheese carmelized on the surface but melted and stringy underneath, the
tastes of the toppings individually discernable.  The conveyor ovens,
with the same ingredients going in, turned out a tough cardboard-like
crust that had no crunch, with the cheese and all the toppings hardened
into a tasteless, dehydrated layer on the surface.

All the chain pizzarias here, as well as most of the independents, use
conveyor ovens now.  Some do better than others, but the best pizza we
have is found at one or two independents that still use deck ovens.

Our deck ovens at Domino's were electric, and ran at about 580 degrees
F.  A coal-fired brick oven could approach 1,000 degrees.  Intense
radiant heat is the key to a great pizza.  Baking at these temperatures
requires experience and attention.  The difference between an underbaked
and a burnt pizza can literally be a matter of seconds.

Aside from the oven, another critical element of a good pizza crust is
the flour.  You need to use a high protein flour, which you cannot buy
at the typical supermarket.  So-called "bread flour" is better than
all-purpose, but still not ideal.  The best I've tried is "Sir Lancelot"
high-gluten flour from the King Arthur flour company.  You can order it
on-line.  With this flour, you really have to work the dough to develop
the gluten, so it's b

Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> the suburb across the river that I call home is derided as a backward bunch 
> of rubes: "Vantucky".

Vantuckians _love_ the Portlandia show.  Portlanders, I hear, not so much...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Got this cap today

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Nice, except it's white. I'd have to wear new gloves every time I touched
it ...

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:38 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It's pretty nice
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/401941449295
>
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes - not the section on flour - high gluten, and the recipe I sent from my
wife that includes "If using whole wheat flour, I add ½ cup of gluten to
the flour mix. "

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 12:26 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I mentioned recently about us talking about pizzas; well today I found
> the original email. It's attached below.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:58:43 -0500
> From: Allan Streib 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] pizza oven talk
>
>
> Conveyor ovens are awful.  They do produce a consistent quality pie
> without the need for any real skill on the part of the operator, which
> is why the chain pizzarias use them.  Unfortunately for the consumer,
> however, the consistent quality they achieve is not excellent or even
> good, but medocre.
>
> In college I worked at a Domino's franchise.  Not world class pizza
> maybe, but at the time really not bad.  Back then they used deck ovens,
> which were later replaced by conveyors.  The pizza took a noticable turn
> for the worse at that point.  Same dough, sauce, cheese and toppings;
> the only difference was the ovens.
>
> The deck ovens could turn out a really nice crust, nicely browned and
> crispy on the surface but moist, airy and flavorful on the inside,
> cheese carmelized on the surface but melted and stringy underneath, the
> tastes of the toppings individually discernable.  The conveyor ovens,
> with the same ingredients going in, turned out a tough cardboard-like
> crust that had no crunch, with the cheese and all the toppings hardened
> into a tasteless, dehydrated layer on the surface.
>
> All the chain pizzarias here, as well as most of the independents, use
> conveyor ovens now.  Some do better than others, but the best pizza we
> have is found at one or two independents that still use deck ovens.
>
> Our deck ovens at Domino's were electric, and ran at about 580 degrees
> F.  A coal-fired brick oven could approach 1,000 degrees.  Intense
> radiant heat is the key to a great pizza.  Baking at these temperatures
> requires experience and attention.  The difference between an underbaked
> and a burnt pizza can literally be a matter of seconds.
>
> Aside from the oven, another critical element of a good pizza crust is
> the flour.  You need to use a high protein flour, which you cannot buy
> at the typical supermarket.  So-called "bread flour" is better than
> all-purpose, but still not ideal.  The best I've tried is "Sir Lancelot"
> high-gluten flour from the King Arthur flour company.  You can order it
> on-line.  With this flour, you really have to work the dough to develop
> the gluten, so it's best to use an electric mixer such as a Kitchen-Aid.
>
> For anyone interested, I can enthusiastically recommend a book on the
> topic, "American Pie: My Search for the Perfect Pizza" by Peter
> Reinhart.  The first half is sort of a diary or narrative of his "hunt",
> starting in Italy then moving to New York and across the USA, sampling
> and comparing locally famous pizzarias.  The second half is a collection
> of recipes and instructions for how to make a decent pizza at home from
> scratch.  The author's love for his subject is obvious throughout.
>
> Allan
> --
> 1983 300D
>


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Re: [MBZ] Got this cap today

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

My $3 Ferrari cap (clearance price at Meijer) still looks good after 20 years.
It's black. I wore it to Copart today. 
Mitch.
> On January 7, 2020 at 5:16 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Nice, except it's white. I'd have to wear new gloves every time I touched
> it ...

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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Where would I find the log? I went into event viewer and there are several 
categories? What sort of thing would I be looking for? It’s the same error as 
before which I attached. I did notice on device manager there was some sort of 
pci simple communication controller that that has yellow triangle and said 
drivers not installed correctly. I tried update driver but nothing. I am going 
to disable it and try the upgrade again.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2020, at 5:18 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb,
> What was the error code this time?  And please look for a log file for more 
> specifics.  I'll bet when you find the cause it is something simple.  Do you 
> have any "strange apps" that Win10 needs to make compatible from Win7?  Take 
> everything out of your startup folder and retry.  You might also go to Task 
> Mgr. and look for any odd services that my be running.  We have all added 
> lots of things to our PCs and hope that Windows will be happy with them.  
> Remember Win 3 that had all the DLL problems caused by outside vendors and 
> their Apps.  It's always easier to blame MS than to blame ourselves.
> Good luck,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Portlandia was difficult to watch. Having done a fair amount of work there, I 
understood it, but it was still tough to get through.

I like the science museum with the submarine. I’ve told the story about the guy 
who was in one of my training classes there who served on the sister boat. He 
went on the tour with me one time and ended up leading the tour because he knew 
more than the docent. It was cool.

-D


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> wrote:
> 
>> the suburb across the river that I call home is derided as a backward bunch 
>> of rubes: "Vantucky".
> 
> Vantuckians _love_ the Portlandia show.  Portlanders, I hear, not so much...
> 
> -- Jim
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[MBZ] Who wants a black 320 SLK?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

https://www.copart.com/lot/61139449

Mostly looks good. 
There's a scuff in the left corner of the front bumper and there's a glob of 
something in the middle of the roof that might not be easily removed without 
further damaging the paint. 
Unfortunately, the charity cars in Michigan tend to be 'only dealers can bid'.

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Re: [MBZ] Got this cap today

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Wear it to the,Q.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> It's pretty nice
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/401941449295
>
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Attached 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> Where would I find the log? I went into event viewer and there are several 
> categories? What sort of thing would I be looking for? It’s the same error as 
> before which I attached. I did notice on device manager there was some sort 
> of pci simple communication controller that that has yellow triangle and said 
> drivers not installed correctly. I tried update driver but nothing. I am 
> going to disable it and try the upgrade again.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2020, at 5:18 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Kaleb,
>> What was the error code this time?  And please look for a log file for more 
>> specifics.  I'll bet when you find the cause it is something simple.  Do you 
>> have any "strange apps" that Win10 needs to make compatible from Win7?  Take 
>> everything out of your startup folder and retry.  You might also go to Task 
>> Mgr. and look for any odd services that my be running.  We have all added 
>> lots of things to our PCs and hope that Windows will be happy with them.  
>> Remember Win 3 that had all the DLL problems caused by outside vendors and 
>> their Apps.  It's always easier to blame MS than to blame ourselves.
>> Good luck,
>> Roger
>> Roger Hale
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>> Monroe, Ga.
>> 770-267-0850
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Buy a Mac. You’ve already burned so many calories on this it’s not funny.

-D


> On Jan 7, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Attached 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
>> 
>> Where would I find the log? I went into event viewer and there are several 
>> categories? What sort of thing would I be looking for? It’s the same error 
>> as before which I attached. I did notice on device manager there was some 
>> sort of pci simple communication controller that that has yellow triangle 
>> and said drivers not installed correctly. I tried update driver but nothing. 
>> I am going to disable it and try the upgrade again.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2020, at 5:18 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kaleb,
>>> What was the error code this time?  And please look for a log file for more 
>>> specifics.  I'll bet when you find the cause it is something simple.  Do 
>>> you have any "strange apps" that Win10 needs to make compatible from Win7?  
>>> Take everything out of your startup folder and retry.  You might also go to 
>>> Task Mgr. and look for any odd services that my be running.  We have all 
>>> added lots of things to our PCs and hope that Windows will be happy with 
>>> them.  Remember Win 3 that had all the DLL problems caused by outside 
>>> vendors and their Apps.  It's always easier to blame MS than to blame 
>>> ourselves.
>>> Good luck,
>>> Roger
>>> Roger Hale
>>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>>> Monroe, Ga.
>>> 770-267-0850
>>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Or he could buy another PC. After reading all the tooth gnashing and
grumbling about the Macs on this list, it just confirms for me that there
is no perfect system. I've (knocking on wood) had very little trouble with
Microsoft's OS's, including the hated and reviled ones. I built the "image"
for and supported over 8000 PC's when I was working last ...
Given that Microsoft supports way more hardware and configurations than
Apple's closed system, they do a very good job. Most issues like Kaleb's
are self-inflicted, or the result of dying hardware.


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:43 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Buy a Mac. You’ve already burned so many calories on this it’s not funny.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jan 7, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Attached 
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> >>
> >> Where would I find the log? I went into event viewer and there are
> several categories? What sort of thing would I be looking for? It’s the
> same error as before which I attached. I did notice on device manager there
> was some sort of pci simple communication controller that that has yellow
> triangle and said drivers not installed correctly. I tried update driver
> but nothing. I am going to disable it and try the upgrade again.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jan 6, 2020, at 5:18 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Kaleb,
> >>> What was the error code this time?  And please look for a log file for
> more specifics.  I'll bet when you find the cause it is something simple.
> Do you have any "strange apps" that Win10 needs to make compatible from
> Win7?  Take everything out of your startup folder and retry.  You might
> also go to Task Mgr. and look for any odd services that my be running.  We
> have all added lots of things to our PCs and hope that Windows will be
> happy with them.  Remember Win 3 that had all the DLL problems caused by
> outside vendors and their Apps.  It's always easier to blame MS than to
> blame ourselves.
> >>> Good luck,
> >>> Roger
> >>> Roger Hale
> >>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> >>> Monroe, Ga.
> >>> 770-267-0850
> >>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
> >>> ___
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Got this cap today

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I got a black one with gold logo

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2020, at 5:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Nice, except it's white. I'd have to wear new gloves every time I touched
> it ...
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:38 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It's pretty nice
>> 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/401941449295
>> 
>> --
>> --FT
>> 
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> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Personally, I'd stick with Win7.  The computer seems to prefer it.  :)
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Re: [MBZ] Got this cap today

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Mine is Navy with white,star &  laurel. Amazon special.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020, 6:24 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I got a black one with gold logo
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Jan 7, 2020, at 5:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Nice, except it's white. I'd have to wear new gloves every time I
> touched
> > it ...
> >
> >> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:38 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It's pretty nice
> >>
> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/401941449295
> >>
> >> --
> >> --FT
> >>
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> > OK Don
> >
> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
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> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 If I didn't have specialty applications to support I'd run Ubuntu Linux. Its 
stable, easy to use, easy to install and comes with a bunch of productivity 
stuff built right in.
Kaleb needs to back up his data and reinstall Windows from fresh media. I NEVER 
upgrade an OS if I can help it. All you're doing is bringing bits of the old OS 
along which at best gives you a mish-mosh of stuff and at worst sets you up for 
misery.

-Curt

On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 5:57:04 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Or he could buy another PC. After reading all the tooth gnashing and
grumbling about the Macs on this list, it just confirms for me that there
is no perfect system. I've (knocking on wood) had very little trouble with
Microsoft's OS's, including the hated and reviled ones. I built the "image"
for and supported over 8000 PC's when I was working last ...
Given that Microsoft supports way more hardware and configurations than
Apple's closed system, they do a very good job. Most issues like Kaleb's
are self-inflicted, or the result of dying hardware.


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:43 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Buy a Mac. You’ve already burned so many calories on this it’s not funny.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jan 7, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Attached 
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> >>
> >> Where would I find the log? I went into event viewer and there are
> several categories? What sort of thing would I be looking for? It’s the
> same error as before which I attached. I did notice on device manager there
> was some sort of pci simple communication controller that that has yellow
> triangle and said drivers not installed correctly. I tried update driver
> but nothing. I am going to disable it and try the upgrade again.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jan 6, 2020, at 5:18 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Kaleb,
> >>> What was the error code this time?  And please look for a log file for
> more specifics.  I'll bet when you find the cause it is something simple.
> Do you have any "strange apps" that Win10 needs to make compatible from
> Win7?  Take everything out of your startup folder and retry.  You might
> also go to Task Mgr. and look for any odd services that my be running.  We
> have all added lots of things to our PCs and hope that Windows will be
> happy with them.  Remember Win 3 that had all the DLL problems caused by
> outside vendors and their Apps.  It's always easier to blame MS than to
> blame ourselves.
> >>> Good luck,
> >>> Roger
> >>> Roger Hale
> >>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> >>> Monroe, Ga.
> >>> 770-267-0850
> >>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
> >>> ___
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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed on both counts.

I use several different distros of Ubuntu at work for security tools. Rock 
solid OS, easy to work with, plays nice with just about everything.

-D

> On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If I didn't have specialty applications to support I'd run Ubuntu Linux. Its 
> stable, easy to use, easy to install and comes with a bunch of productivity 
> stuff built right in.
> Kaleb needs to back up his data and reinstall Windows from fresh media. I 
> NEVER upgrade an OS if I can help it. All you're doing is bringing bits of 
> the old OS along which at best gives you a mish-mosh of stuff and at worst 
> sets you up for misery.
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 5:57:04 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Or he could buy another PC. After reading all the tooth gnashing and
> grumbling about the Macs on this list, it just confirms for me that there
> is no perfect system. I've (knocking on wood) had very little trouble with
> Microsoft's OS's, including the hated and reviled ones. I built the "image"
> for and supported over 8000 PC's when I was working last ...
> Given that Microsoft supports way more hardware and configurations than
> Apple's closed system, they do a very good job. Most issues like Kaleb's
> are self-inflicted, or the result of dying hardware.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:43 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Buy a Mac. You’ve already burned so many calories on this it’s not funny.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Attached 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jan 7, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
 
 Where would I find the log? I went into event viewer and there are
>> several categories? What sort of thing would I be looking for? It’s the
>> same error as before which I attached. I did notice on device manager there
>> was some sort of pci simple communication controller that that has yellow
>> triangle and said drivers not installed correctly. I tried update driver
>> but nothing. I am going to disable it and try the upgrade again.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jan 6, 2020, at 5:18 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb,
> What was the error code this time?  And please look for a log file for
>> more specifics.  I'll bet when you find the cause it is something simple.
>> Do you have any "strange apps" that Win10 needs to make compatible from
>> Win7?  Take everything out of your startup folder and retry.  You might
>> also go to Task Mgr. and look for any odd services that my be running.  We
>> have all added lots of things to our PCs and hope that Windows will be
>> happy with them.  Remember Win 3 that had all the DLL problems caused by
>> outside vendors and their Apps.  It's always easier to blame MS than to
>> blame ourselves.
> Good luck,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] repair undercoating

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The kit I bought on Amazon came with "Wool Wax" which is basically the same 
stuff as Fluid Film but slightly less sheep smelling.I've been using it a lot 
on guns, especially the last few weeks of the season when I was hunting in the 
rain a lot. Seemed to help keep rust from setting in.Today I finally got the 
muzzleloaders out and shot out the hunting loads, then did a serious cleaning. 
I even took the ramrod thimbles off the .54. Apparently they're steel (the .45 
has brass) and had a little surface rust inside. I used WD40 on a paper towel 
to wipe away the rust and Wool Wax as a preventative.
Actually for "I even" on the .45 I removed the touch hole liner (its a 
flintlock) it was a touch dirty inside but no problem.
-Curt

On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 2:44:45 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I used Fluid Film for the insides of the rockers and other body panels on the 
finnie. They have a kit with a long hose and spray nozzle on the end you can 
thread into a cavity and unload:

https://www.fluid-film.com/automotive-applications/ 


The three can kit with the long hose:

https://tinyurl.com/ygs99k7k

Only drawback is that it makes you car smell like sheep. Not a problem as long 
as there aren’t any shepherds nearby. Wicked awesome stuff.

-D




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>  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone figured out a way to effectively spray undercoating into a blind 
> bodywork box using a rattle can undercoat?
> 
> I know the ziebart folks had special nozzles, but is there a way we can 
> achieve similar results?
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[MBZ] Floyd/Max Need a Project

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This looks like it would be fun:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-benz-cars-sale/402919-fs-1976-115-300d-4-speed-conversion.html

-D



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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Do you mean "reinstall TO fresh media"?

A new SSD is cheap compared to buying a whole new PC. Maybe his system can 
accept two hard drives, so he can keep his existing drive as the data disc.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 7, 2020 7:23:29 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes :

> If I didn't have specialty applications to support I'd run Ubuntu Linux. Its 
> stable, easy to use, easy to install and comes with a bunch of productivity 
> stuff built right in.
> Kaleb needs to back up his data and reinstall Windows from fresh media. I 
> NEVER upgrade an OS if I can help it. All you're doing is bringing bits of 
> the old OS along which at best gives you a mish-mosh of stuff and at worst 
> sets you up for misery.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 5:57:04 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Or he could buy another PC. After reading all the tooth gnashing and
> grumbling about the Macs on this list, it just confirms for me that there
> is no perfect system. I've (knocking on wood) had very little trouble with
> Microsoft's OS's, including the hated and reviled ones. I built the "image"
> for and supported over 8000 PC's when I was working last ...
> Given that Microsoft supports way more hardware and configurations than
> Apple's closed system, they do a very good job. Most issues like Kaleb's
> are self-inflicted, or the result of dying hardware.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:43 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Buy a Mac. You’ve already burned so many calories on this it’s not funny.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jan 7, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > > 
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Attached 
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On Jan 7, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Where would I find the log? I went into event viewer and there are
> > > > 
> > > 
> > several categories? What sort of thing would I be looking for? It’s the
> > same error as before which I attached. I did notice on device manager there
> > was some sort of pci simple communication controller that that has yellow
> > triangle and said drivers not installed correctly. I tried update driver
> > but nothing. I am going to disable it and try the upgrade again.
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > On Jan 6, 2020, at 5:18 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Kaleb,
> > > > > What was the error code this time? And please look for a log file for
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > more specifics. I'll bet when you find the cause it is something simple.
> > Do you have any "strange apps" that Win10 needs to make compatible from
> > Win7? Take everything out of your startup folder and retry. You might
> > also go to Task Mgr. and look for any odd services that my be running. We
> > have all added lots of things to our PCs and hope that Windows will be
> > happy with them. Remember Win 3 that had all the DLL problems caused by
> > outside vendors and their Apps. It's always easier to blame MS than to
> > blame ourselves.
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Good luck,
> > > > > Roger
> > > > > Roger Hale
> > > > > Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> > > > > Monroe, Ga.
> > > > > 770-267-0850
> > > > > www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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[MBZ] Potential Kleb Car

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-benz-cars-sale/399612-fs-1991-300e.html

Seems like a lot of people are dumping projects. Maybe they need to pay those 
Christmas bills?

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Floyd/Max Need a Project

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I'll pass. Five 124 cars is enough.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 7, 2020 7:30:29 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes :

> This looks like it would be fun:
> 
> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-benz-cars-sale/402919-fs-1976-115-300d-4-speed-conversion.html
> 
> -D
> 
> 
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[MBZ] Make a Replacement Car Lens

[OK Don via Mercedes]

For those un-obtainium lenses, etc. ---

https://www.smooth-on.com/tutorials/creating-replacement-car-lens-crystal-clear-202/

-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Make a Replacement Car Lens

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Interesting.  I'd like to see a DIY video for a more complex lens, like 124
wagon rear tail light, which has three colors (red, yellow, and clear).
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:03 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> For those un-obtainium lenses, etc. ---
>
>
> https://www.smooth-on.com/tutorials/creating-replacement-car-lens-crystal-clear-202/
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
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> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
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[MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] wow $20k 300TD

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Pretty good deal for the buyer.  Mine is white/blue leather, 376K.

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:03 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Was this Andrew's?  Or is he BW99?
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1984-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-23/
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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Quite balmy!

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dan wrote:

> Buy a Mac. You’ve already burned so many calories on this it’s
> not funny.

Apple is even worse when it comes to forced upgrades...

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[MBZ] 124 rear subframe

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

What is the best way to install the rear subframe?   Who has BTDT?

i'm thinking to install the links and wheel carriers to the subframe 
first.   a straightedge across the top should line up with the centers 
of the outer end of the top link.   so that solves the problem of trying 
to tighten links you can't get to with the subframe installed, with the 
weight of the car on the subframe.   (book method)


I can tighten all the links, then  install the subframe with springs.  
The weight is in the wheel carriers.


then install the axles and diff.


as an alternative:
I could try assembling diff, axles and subframe, then raising it up, 
with a series of blocks, left, right, front and rear.   It would be 
harder to get everything in place and hard to list by hand to push into 
the final place for bolts.


I am not ready yet.   Have to patch holes in the body, weld up the 
subframe mounts, replace brake lines, fuel hoses, etc before 
installing.   Then assemble the links and wheel carriers to the subframe.


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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:

> If I didn't have specialty applications to support I'd run
> Ubuntu Linux.

I banish those specialty applications to a virtual machine.  And I
have a bunch. [sigh]  The host is GNU/Linux.  From the host
(Linux) I have good software for browser, email client, pdf
viewer, pdf creating, image/photo editing, vector graphic editing,
CAD, spreadsheet, word processing, music player, video player,
etc.  And then some programs that I rather depend on - some which
might be Linux only, like sshfs, encfs, unison, ssh, SoX, ffmpeg,
BASH, etc.

The virtual machine is for hardware specific software like audio
DSP control, audio mixer remote control, wireless microphone
management, and so on.  Wine doesn't work for most of 'em.

Audio editing in Linux is fair.  Audacity is good at what it does,
but is not a real DAW. Ardour is kinda tricky and picky but is
quite capable.

Video editing in Linux is not so great.  Cinelerra is the best
I've found so far - clumsy, picky, and hard to use. Avid and
FinalCutPro from 20 years ago was better.  I haven't use either in
more than a decade so I don't know how those two are now - but I
do miss FinalCutPro version 2 when I want to edit video.

Almost any Linux will be no more trouble than Apple or
Microsoft.  Just different - and much more "within your control".

> I NEVER upgrade an OS if I can help it. All you're doing is
> bringing bits of the old OS along which at best gives you a
> mish-mosh of stuff and at worst sets you up for misery.

I think that is a description of Win10!!  The control prefs are
such a pain.   New names for the same control.  Access path seems
to be different every time I use it., control some stuff from
here, some from there, some from dialogs from Win7, some from
WinXP - maybe even some from Win95!


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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Mitch sent an image of a weather forecast with large negative
> numbers:

Are those C or F?

Although for the low of -40 it doesn't matter...

And with either scale - that's cold!!

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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear subframe

[Brian Toscano via Mercedes]

When I worked on 124/201 I would assemble the subframe next to the vehicle
and then put it on a transmission jack and roll it into place and secure it
to the unibody, connect driveshaft, and brake lines, etc.  The 5-link
suspension can be tightened once it's installed under the vehicle by
jacking up under the differential.  Just don't drive it far without getting
an alignment.  The key point with any suspension work is to tighten
bushings with the weight of the vehicle on the bushings (NOT with the tires
hanging in the air). Using this method my ride height was within 1 mm of
factory spec according to the dealer's alignment printout. :)


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:27 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What is the best way to install the rear subframe?   Who has BTDT?
>
> i'm thinking to install the links and wheel carriers to the subframe
> first.   a straightedge across the top should line up with the centers
> of the outer end of the top link.   so that solves the problem of trying
> to tighten links you can't get to with the subframe installed, with the
> weight of the car on the subframe.   (book method)
>
> I can tighten all the links, then  install the subframe with springs.
> The weight is in the wheel carriers.
>
> then install the axles and diff.
>
>
> as an alternative:
> I could try assembling diff, axles and subframe, then raising it up,
> with a series of blocks, left, right, front and rear.   It would be
> harder to get everything in place and hard to list by hand to push into
> the final place for bolts.
>
> I am not ready yet.   Have to patch holes in the body, weld up the
> subframe mounts, replace brake lines, fuel hoses, etc before
> installing.   Then assemble the links and wheel carriers to the subframe.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear subframe

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

My concern with both methods is getting the links tightened up in "ready to 
drive" position.

That said, the first option would probably be my choice.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 7, 2020 10:27:17 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes :

> What is the best way to install the rear subframe? Who has BTDT?
> 
> i'm thinking to install the links and wheel carriers to the subframe
> first. a straightedge across the top should line up with the centers
> of the outer end of the top link. so that solves the problem of trying
> to tighten links you can't get to with the subframe installed, with the
> weight of the car on the subframe. (book method)
> 
> I can tighten all the links, then install the subframe with springs.
> The weight is in the wheel carriers.
> 
> then install the axles and diff.
> 
> 
> as an alternative:
> I could try assembling diff, axles and subframe, then raising it up,
> with a series of blocks, left, right, front and rear. It would be
> harder to get everything in place and hard to list by hand to push into
> the final place for bolts.
> 
> I am not ready yet. Have to patch holes in the body, weld up the
> subframe mounts, replace brake lines, fuel hoses, etc before
> installing. Then assemble the links and wheel carriers to the subframe.
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[Brian Toscano via Mercedes]

Macs are not what they used to be.

Years ago they were light years ahead of Microsoft but over time the two
have converged.  Microsoft has gone up and Apple has gone down.  I remember
back in 2007 or so using a neighbors printer with my Mac and he said I'd
probably have to install some device drivers, etc.  I said I'll probably
just connect the USB cable and hit print and it will print.  The printed
pages came out and he was so impressed he bought Macs for his family.  This
is why people used to say "Macs just work."

But it's just not the same anymore.  I'm sending this email from a
Microsoft Surface Pro 7 running Windows 10...  The SSD in my Mac failed
last Monday morning.  I tried to recover from Time Machine to an external
drive and it restored but would not boot.  Then I tried to upgrade the OS
on the recovery drive I was restoring to so it would be the same version as
the Time Machine, but it would not install because it did not see a factory
SSD.  I read of others having similar problems installing or upgrading Mac
OS when the factory SSD drive is not seen.

Windows is not perfect, but its trending better and macOS is trending
down...

I would try a fresh install on an empty hard drive rather than try to
upgrade from Windows 7.  Too often the spec sheet says it will work, but
it's just not a great idea even if it manages to work somehow.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear subframe

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I was able to tighten all the links with the subframe mounted in the car. I 
think I removed a tire, jacked up the spring

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 7, 2020 10:59:17 PM Brian Toscano via Mercedes :

> When I worked on 124/201 I would assemble the subframe next to the vehicle
> and then put it on a transmission jack and roll it into place and secure it
> to the unibody, connect driveshaft, and brake lines, etc. The 5-link
> suspension can be tightened once it's installed under the vehicle by
> jacking up under the differential. Just don't drive it far without getting
> an alignment. The key point with any suspension work is to tighten
> bushings with the weight of the vehicle on the bushings (NOT with the tires
> hanging in the air). Using this method my ride height was within 1 mm of
> factory spec according to the dealer's alignment printout. :)
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:27 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > What is the best way to install the rear subframe? Who has BTDT?
> > 
> > i'm thinking to install the links and wheel carriers to the subframe
> > first. a straightedge across the top should line up with the centers
> > of the outer end of the top link. so that solves the problem of trying
> > to tighten links you can't get to with the subframe installed, with the
> > weight of the car on the subframe. (book method)
> > 
> > I can tighten all the links, then install the subframe with springs.
> > The weight is in the wheel carriers.
> > 
> > then install the axles and diff.
> > 
> > 
> > as an alternative:
> > I could try assembling diff, axles and subframe, then raising it up,
> > with a series of blocks, left, right, front and rear. It would be
> > harder to get everything in place and hard to list by hand to push into
> > the final place for bolts.
> > 
> > I am not ready yet. Have to patch holes in the body, weld up the
> > subframe mounts, replace brake lines, fuel hoses, etc before
> > installing. Then assemble the links and wheel carriers to the subframe.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear subframe

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Jacked up the spring link until even with the other side (ready to drive) and 
then tightened up the links.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 7, 2020 11:13:48 PM Max Dillon :

> 
> I was able to tighten all the links with the subframe mounted in the car. I 
> think I removed a tire, jacked up the spring
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Jan 7, 2020 10:59:17 PM Brian Toscano via Mercedes :
> 
> 
> > When I worked on 124/201 I would assemble the subframe next to the vehicle
> > and then put it on a transmission jack and roll it into place and secure it
> > to the unibody, connect driveshaft, and brake lines, etc. The 5-link
> > suspension can be tightened once it's installed under the vehicle by
> > jacking up under the differential. Just don't drive it far without getting
> > an alignment. The key point with any suspension work is to tighten
> > bushings with the weight of the vehicle on the bushings (NOT with the tires
> > hanging in the air). Using this method my ride height was within 1 mm of
> > factory spec according to the dealer's alignment printout. :)
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:27 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > What is the best way to install the rear subframe? Who has BTDT?
> > > 
> > > i'm thinking to install the links and wheel carriers to the subframe
> > > first. a straightedge across the top should line up with the centers
> > > of the outer end of the top link. so that solves the problem of trying
> > > to tighten links you can't get to with the subframe installed, with the
> > > weight of the car on the subframe. (book method)
> > > 
> > > I can tighten all the links, then install the subframe with springs.
> > > The weight is in the wheel carriers.
> > > 
> > > then install the axles and diff.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > as an alternative:
> > > I could try assembling diff, axles and subframe, then raising it up,
> > > with a series of blocks, left, right, front and rear. It would be
> > > harder to get everything in place and hard to list by hand to push into
> > > the final place for bolts.
> > > 
> > > I am not ready yet. Have to patch holes in the body, weld up the
> > > subframe mounts, replace brake lines, fuel hoses, etc before
> > > installing. Then assemble the links and wheel carriers to the subframe.
> > > 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear subframe

[Brian Toscano via Mercedes]

Yes that's more correct Max... it has been a while since I have done this
and I mis-spoke.  Jacking up under each side so there's even pressure gives
you more room to work when you're laying on your back.  I want to say I had
a more clever approach to it at the time that was even easier but I can't
seem to recall what it was.   I think I was able to tighten everything just
laying on my back under the car. It's far easier to assemble the 5 link
with no load on it outside the vehicle and then tighten for road worthiness
later.



On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:16 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Jacked up the spring link until even with the other side (ready to drive)
> and then tightened up the links.
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
> Jan 7, 2020 11:13:48 PM Max Dillon :
>
> >
> > I was able to tighten all the links with the subframe mounted in the
> car. I think I removed a tire, jacked up the spring
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Jan 7, 2020 10:59:17 PM Brian Toscano via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
> >
> >
> > > When I worked on 124/201 I would assemble the subframe next to the
> vehicle
> > > and then put it on a transmission jack and roll it into place and
> secure it
> > > to the unibody, connect driveshaft, and brake lines, etc. The 5-link
> > > suspension can be tightened once it's installed under the vehicle by
> > > jacking up under the differential. Just don't drive it far without
> getting
> > > an alignment. The key point with any suspension work is to tighten
> > > bushings with the weight of the vehicle on the bushings (NOT with the
> tires
> > > hanging in the air). Using this method my ride height was within 1 mm
> of
> > > factory spec according to the dealer's alignment printout. :)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:27 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > What is the best way to install the rear subframe? Who has BTDT?
> > > >
> > > > i'm thinking to install the links and wheel carriers to the subframe
> > > > first. a straightedge across the top should line up with the centers
> > > > of the outer end of the top link. so that solves the problem of
> trying
> > > > to tighten links you can't get to with the subframe installed, with
> the
> > > > weight of the car on the subframe. (book method)
> > > >
> > > > I can tighten all the links, then install the subframe with springs.
> > > > The weight is in the wheel carriers.
> > > >
> > > > then install the axles and diff.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > as an alternative:
> > > > I could try assembling diff, axles and subframe, then raising it up,
> > > > with a series of blocks, left, right, front and rear. It would be
> > > > harder to get everything in place and hard to list by hand to push
> into
> > > > the final place for bolts.
> > > >
> > > > I am not ready yet. Have to patch holes in the body, weld up the
> > > > subframe mounts, replace brake lines, fuel hoses, etc before
> > > > installing. Then assemble the links and wheel carriers to the
> subframe.
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 21:42:03 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > Curt wrote:
> 
> > If I didn't have specialty applications to support I'd run
> > Ubuntu Linux.
> 
> I banish those specialty applications to a virtual machine.  And I
> have a bunch. [sigh]  The host is GNU/Linux.  From the host (Linux) I
> have good software for browser, email client, pdf viewer, pdf creating,
> image/photo editing, vector graphic editing, CAD, spreadsheet, word
> processing, music player, video player, etc.  And then some programs
> that I rather depend on - some which might be Linux only, like sshfs,
> encfs, unison, ssh, SoX, ffmpeg, BASH, etc.

Are your "browser, email client, pdf viewer, pdf creating, image/photo
editing, vector graphic editing, CAD, spreadsheet, word processing, music
player, video player" all on Linux, or are some of the virtual machines
for that?

If those are on Linux, which programs do you use for them?


Some things I had not heard of before:

 In computing, SSHFS (SSH Filesystem) is a filesystem client to mount
 and interact with directories and files located on a remote server or
 workstation over a normal ssh connection. The client interacts with
 the remote file system via the SSH File Transfer Protocol (SFTP), a
 network protocol providing file access, file transfer, and file
 management functionality over any reliable data stream that was
 designed as an extension of the Secure Shell protocol (SSH) version
 2.0.

 EncFS provides an encrypted filesystem in user-space. It runs without
 any special permissions and uses the FUSE library and Linux kernel
 module to provide the filesystem interface. It is a pass-through
 filesystem, not an encrypted block device, which means it is created
 on top of an  existing filesystem. 

 Unison is a file-synchronization tool for OSX, Unix, and Windows. It
 allows two replicas of a collection of files and directories to be
 stored on different hosts (or different disks on the same host),
 modified separately, and then brought up to date by propagating the
 changes in each replica to the other.



> > I NEVER upgrade an OS if I can help it. All you're doing is
> > bringing bits of the old OS along which at best gives you a
> > mish-mosh of stuff and at worst sets you up for misery.
>
> I think that is a description of Win10!!  The control prefs are
> such a pain.   New names for the same control.  Access path seems
> to be different every time I use it., control some stuff from
> here, some from there, some from dialogs from Win7, some from
> WinXP - maybe even some from Win95!

Makes me want to jump right into Win10 from Win7!  NOT!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Clay via Mercedes]

Down the road from the home of SWMBA is a chinese/pizza place.  I have not 
attempted to investigate, as the possibilities are troubling.  It does share a 
small building with a walk in clinic.

clay

> On Jan 7, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The menu looks like your basic Eye-talyun ingredients.  Did I miss the 
> cultural appropriation?  Or is it because a japanese guy doing eye-talyun?
> 
> There is some Asian guy in Louisville maybe who is doing all kinds of 
> interesting things with merkin food.  I guess it doesn't matter much about 
> your heritage it's what you like.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 1/7/20 4:53 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:
>> To all you pizza purists out there, let me share a tale of...either 
>> wonderful EurAsian food fusion...or arrant cultural appropriation, depending 
>> on your PC stance:
>> 
>> Daisuke Matsumoto
>> 
>> and 
>> 
>> He was introduced to me by my DIL, who had worked with him at another 
>> restaurant here. He learned pizza in Naples, had a truck with a wood-fired 
>> oven. Made good pizza with interesting ingredients.
>> 
>> Last year IIRC there was a series in the Oregonian newspaper doing a search 
>> for the best pizza in the metropolitan area. Portland has a reputation as 
>> the location of some world-class restaurants, while the suburb across the 
>> river that I call home is derided as a backward bunch of rubes: "Vantucky". 
>> And yet, the pizza truck in a microbrew parking lot won the Oregonian's top 
>> marks.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, pizza in not on my personal menu very often. And I must admit 
>> a certain chauvinistic aversion to Dice-K's, because of the Neapolitan vs. 
>> Sicilian style. My lineage is Sicilian and Calabrese. But I welcome the 
>> Japanese element!
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> Who grew up on Brooklyn pizza.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Meade 
>> Dillon via Mercedes
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 11:44 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Cc: Meade Dillon
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Re: pizza oven talk
>> 
>> I remember reading that as well.
>> 
>> I'm totally spoiled, having eaten pizza in bella Napoli for years and
>> years.  On the must-do list at every trip to Italy is pizza made in a real
>> brick oven, the closer to Naples the better.
>> 
>> Once when family was visiting, we all went to a local pizza ristorante to
>> pick up about five pizzas.  The pizza oven was right up front next to the
>> cashier, big wood fired brick oven, heated up like a blast furnace.  We had
>> so much fun just watching the chef build each pizza, put them all into the
>> oven, and then turn them a time or two and minutes after they went in, they
>> came back out, perfectly done.  Family from the mid-west was suitably
>> impressed, probably their favorite event of the day, talked about that
>> pizza oven experience for a long time afterward.
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 1:26 PM Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I mentioned recently about us talking about pizzas; well today I found
>>> the original email. It's attached below.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:58:43 -0500
>>> From: Allan Streib 
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] pizza oven talk
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Conveyor ovens are awful.  They do produce a consistent quality pie
>>> without the need for any real skill on the part of the operator, which
>>> is why the chain pizzarias use them.  Unfortunately for the consumer,
>>> however, the consistent quality they achieve is not excellent or even
>>> good, but medocre.
>>> 
>>> In college I worked at a Domino's franchise.  Not world class pizza
>>> maybe, but at the time really not bad.  Back then they used deck ovens,
>>> which were later replaced by conveyors.  The pizza took a noticable turn
>>> for the worse at that point.  Same dough, sauce, cheese and toppings;
>>> the only difference was the ovens.
>>> 
>>> The deck ovens could turn out a really nice crust, nicely browned and
>>> crispy on the surface but moist, airy and flavorful on the inside,
>>> cheese carmelized on the surface but melted and stringy underneath, the
>>> tastes of the toppings individually discernable.  The conveyor ovens,
>>> with the same ingredients going in, turned out a tough cardboard-like
>>> crust that had no crunch, with the cheese and all the toppings hardened
>>> into a tasteless, dehydrated layer on the surface.
>>> 
>>> All the chain pizzarias here, as well as most of the independents, use
>>> conveyor ovens now.  Some do better than others, but the best pizza we
>>> have is found at one or two independents that still use deck ovens.
>>> 
>>> Our deck ovens at Domino's were electric, and ran at about 580 degrees
>>> F.  A coal-fired brick oven could approach 1,000 degrees.  Intense
>>> radiant heat is 

Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:30:22 -0900 Clay via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Down the road from the home of SWMBA is a chinese/pizza place.  I have
> not attempted to investigate, as the possibilities are troubling.  It
> does share a small building with a walk in clinic.

Coincidentally co-located?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[Clay via Mercedes]

They finally plowed the street from the new years day storm.  I get to drag the 
doodle dog around after putting Mushers Magic (looks like petroleum jelly) on 
his paws.  Today’s walk awarded me with iced up eye brows and lashes, rime 
around the balaclava, and a four inch ice booger dangling from my chin.   I 
feared my eyes would freeze.

BTW, 4% relative humidity inside is really uncomfortable.  The humidifier 
machines could not keep up, but a large pot of boiling water helps.  Until I 
saw that it was escaping through the perished seals on the windows and icing up 
the glass outside.

clay


> On Jan 7, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Kaleb,
I sent you some file attachments, but neither my email or the files seem to 
have made it through to you.  If you get them, try the Upgrade Assistant 
(original).  It was good at finding and showing actual reasons that your PC is 
not ready for an upgrade.  It was the reason I found out that one of my Vostros 
needed a BIOS upgrade first.
And for the other naysayers, I've always upgraded because it keeps all my 
settings and I don't have to waste time creating them again.  Also, I first 
used Macs in the early 90s.  They had HD controller problems and other issues.  
Yes they had good graphics, but...   We all like what we use.  I just don't use 
odd or non mainstream APPs.  Not worth the OS problems they can cause.
Again, good luck,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear subframe

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I had all new links, new diff and axles and a new subframe, so I replaced
the lower carrier bearings then assembled the whole shooting match on a
table, then lowered it onto a dolly and slid it under the car with the car
on blocks. Then I put a jack under the diff and lifted the whole thing into
place. Lined up the front bolts each side first, then the rear bolts, one
bolt at a time. It takes a bit of fiddling to get the whole mess balanced
over the jack point; I used a 2x6 under the diff andtried several slight
movements of the jack on the 2x6 until it balanced. The new swaybar, upper
sway link bolts and upper sls strut bolts were installed before the
subframe went in, then attached.

The link tightening is far easier to do on the bench than on the car and it
is easy to position the carriers properly before tightening, to avoid too
much bushing torque at final ride height. Same with the axle bolts, outer
axle nuts, and diff mount bolts front and back. You can also eyeball the
toe links and adjust the eccentric bolts to similar positions to get it in
the ballpark for the drive to the alignment shop. I left the inner main
control arm bushings loose, then after bolting the subframe in put the
springs and new pads in and gingerly with appropriate trepidation and arms
length gently jacked the arm up until the main spherical bearing bolt hole
lined up with the carrier bearing, adding some blocks under it as I went.
Once that bolt is in you can relax a bit and fit the lower sls shock and
swaybar bolts by adjusting the height of the jack and wiggling the swaybar
links, and tighten the inner main control arm bolt. The first side took 30
minutes. The second side took 5 minutes.

 Remount the brake calipers. Put the wheels on. Mount the new flex discs
and driveshaft/center bearing. Hook up the new parking brake cables and
adjust the length. Hook up the ABS sensor wire and any of that traction
control stuff if the car has it. Exhaust will need to go back on
eventually, and splash shields, but not needed for shakedown. Everything
else is already torqued, so test the brakes and take a ride. Dont forget to
add hydraulic fluid and or brake fluid if any was drained out, and check
for leaks. Check the diff fluid level or change it out while the subframe
is out of the car.

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020, 8:31 PM Brian Toscano via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes that's more correct Max... it has been a while since I have done this
> and I mis-spoke.  Jacking up under each side so there's even pressure gives
> you more room to work when you're laying on your back.  I want to say I had
> a more clever approach to it at the time that was even easier but I can't
> seem to recall what it was.   I think I was able to tighten everything just
> laying on my back under the car. It's far easier to assemble the 5 link
> with no load on it outside the vehicle and then tighten for road worthiness
> later.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:16 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Jacked up the spring link until even with the other side (ready to drive)
> > and then tightened up the links.
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Jan 7, 2020 11:13:48 PM Max Dillon :
> >
> > >
> > > I was able to tighten all the links with the subframe mounted in the
> > car. I think I removed a tire, jacked up the spring
> > >
> > > Max Dillon
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > > Jan 7, 2020 10:59:17 PM Brian Toscano via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
> > >
> > >
> > > > When I worked on 124/201 I would assemble the subframe next to the
> > vehicle
> > > > and then put it on a transmission jack and roll it into place and
> > secure it
> > > > to the unibody, connect driveshaft, and brake lines, etc. The 5-link
> > > > suspension can be tightened once it's installed under the vehicle by
> > > > jacking up under the differential. Just don't drive it far without
> > getting
> > > > an alignment. The key point with any suspension work is to tighten
> > > > bushings with the weight of the vehicle on the bushings (NOT with the
> > tires
> > > > hanging in the air). Using this method my ride height was within 1 mm
> > of
> > > > factory spec according to the dealer's alignment printout. :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:27 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > What is the best way to install the rear subframe? Who has BTDT?
> > > > >
> > > > > i'm thinking to install the links and wheel carriers to the
> subframe
> > > > > first. a straightedge across the top should line up with the
> centers
> > > > > of the outer end of the top link. so that solves the problem of
> > trying
> > > > > to tighten links you can't get to with the subframe installed, with
> > the
> > > > > weight of the car on the subframe. (book method)
> > > > >
> > > > > I can tighten all the links, then install the subframe with
> springs.
> > > > > The weight is in th