[MBZ] Cheap ML

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap ML

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Interior looks better than my 2002 ML500 with 197k on the clock. My back seats 
are toast, I don’t know what the people did in that car. I will say I found 
over $20 in change under the various seats, however…

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap ML

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Needs air

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On 4/30/20 9:17 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

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[MBZ] FB photog and sales guy of the year

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[MBZ] OT Now here is a nice Pantera!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-detomaso-pantera-29

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Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 If you can easily access the solenoid. I've found newer, non American, cars to 
be difficult. The remote switch also allows you a lot more freedom to fiddle 
with other things without having to reach into the engine every time you want 
to trigger the starter.
-Curt

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 7:52:01 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:36:27 -0400 Allan Streib via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:
> 
> > Tomorrow I will try to put power directly to the solenoid and see if 
> > that energizes it and I can get this thing started.
> 
> Pick up a remote starter switch at FLAPS. Should be under $20. Mine has
> come in handy several times over the years to bypass everything else and
> verify that the starter solenoid and starter works.

No need to buy a remote starter switch. Save $20 and use a big
screwdriver from the battery cable on the starter to the solenoid
terminal.


> Have you checked the transmission neutral safety switch? Try starting in
> Neutral instead of Park, or wiggling the shift lever while you try to
> start.

Good ideas.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Welker Farms just did a refresh on the Moline. They're interesting folks, a 
mix of smarts and "brute force and ignorance". Some things they do baffle me.On 
the whole I like the MN Millenial farmer better but Welkers have more, older, 
toys...
-Curt

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 8:50:17 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Beware of leaking injectors or feed lines on JD's that have them inside
the engine itself.  My Dad's 'new' JD was basically a lemon, and ended up
filling the crankcase with diesel fuel before needing expensive engine
work.  It was also somewhat puny compared to the older tractors he was
used to.

He would have been far better served buying an older, bigger JD with
a more traditional engine construction.  The lemon was turbo'd.  Lots of
horsepower (on paper), but in practice fairly underwhelming for a lot of
uses.

It's my brother's problem, now.

Nothing we had pulled/grunted like the old Moline UTS.  Heavy, redline
at 1200 RPM.  40-odd HP, but torque that would rip things in half.  And
an appetite for gasoline to match!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

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 LOL Fords of the '50s were puny little things. The advantage they had was the 
3pt hitch well before anybody else had it. The ability to lift implements from 
the hitch was an advantage for smaller farms but no real use for the huge 
western farms.
-Curt

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 8:55:24 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 A lot of the farmers I worked with as a kid had the old Ford tractors - the 
ones that were red and gray (N series?) I can recall driving more than my share 
of those around, and they seemed quite bulletproof and strong. A few of the 
more prosperous farmers had the blue models. I don’t know if they were any 
better, but they seemed to be nicer in some respects from what I can recall.



> On Apr 29, 2020, at 8:49 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Beware of leaking injectors or feed lines on JD's that have them inside
> the engine itself.  My Dad's 'new' JD was basically a lemon, and ended up
> filling the crankcase with diesel fuel before needing expensive engine
> work.  It was also somewhat puny compared to the older tractors he was
> used to.
> 
> He would have been far better served buying an older, bigger JD with
> a more traditional engine construction.  The lemon was turbo'd.  Lots of
> horsepower (on paper), but in practice fairly underwhelming for a lot of
> uses.
> 
> It's my brother's problem, now.
> 
> Nothing we had pulled/grunted like the old Moline UTS.  Heavy, redline
> at 1200 RPM.  40-odd HP, but torque that would rip things in half.  And
> an appetite for gasoline to match!
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Those old "Johnny Popper" tractors are neat because the engine is essentially 
half of a 4 cylinder engine. When they're idled down you can hear where the 
other 2 cylinders would normally fire, "pop, pop, miss, miss, pop, pop, miss, 
miss."
Theres one in town with a loader on it, its smaller, a B maybe? I forget the JD 
models. I'm not really into green tractors but I keep an eye on that one, if it 
comes up for sale I'll go for it.
-Curt

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 9:13:51 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I knew little of the older JD diesel tractors until one day when I was in the 
generator business and we had a generator rental to deliver. When we did so 
there was no way to get it off the Landoll trailer we had delivered it on. It 
was a 350kW unit that weighed about 10,000 pounds. We sold it to a small dirt 
track oval raceway outside of Muncie, IN that was going to use it to power 
lighting for night races. This place was in the boonies and as a result did not 
have the required three phase utility power available for the lighting.

So the guy goes running off and comes back a few minutes later with a guy 
driving this old tricycle style John Deere with a big flywheel on the side. He 
chains it up to the skid base of the generator, opens the throttle and drops 
the clutch. This thing barely grunted while it drug a 10,000 pound piece of 
equipment off the Landoll and across the grass to it’s resting place.

When I got closer and had a look it was a horizontal two cylinder with s stroke 
that had to be measured in feet, or so it seemed. Had gasoline starting cups on 
it, too. It was a really cool tractor.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 9:05 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Yes the grey & red,Ford tractors,were 8N's. They had light front ends & would 
> flip in hilly fields of NE PA. Hill farmers,used John Deere because tricycle 
> front ends,were heavier- some even added,weights to front end 
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 8:55 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > wrote:
> A lot of the farmers I worked with as a kid had the old Ford tractors - the 
> ones that were red and gray (N series?) I can recall driving more than my 
> share of those around, and they seemed quite bulletproof and strong. A few of 
> the more prosperous farmers had the blue models. I don’t know if they were 
> any better, but they seemed to be nicer in some respects from what I can 
> recall.
> 
> 
> 
> > On Apr 29, 2020, at 8:49 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Beware of leaking injectors or feed lines on JD's that have them inside
> > the engine itself.  My Dad's 'new' JD was basically a lemon, and ended up
> > filling the crankcase with diesel fuel before needing expensive engine
> > work.  It was also somewhat puny compared to the older tractors he was
> > used to.
> > 
> > He would have been far better served buying an older, bigger JD with
> > a more traditional engine construction.  The lemon was turbo'd.  Lots of
> > horsepower (on paper), but in practice fairly underwhelming for a lot of
> > uses.
> > 
> > It's my brother's problem, now.
> > 
> > Nothing we had pulled/grunted like the old Moline UTS.  Heavy, redline
> > at 1200 RPM.  40-odd HP, but torque that would rip things in half.  And
> > an appetite for gasoline to match!
> > 
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3412083555485327


 Seller's description…

No TITLE Lean on Car Alternator is bad will need it towed. New O2 
sensors and new oil change. Tires are great excellent condition. Shoot 
me an offer need gone asap


--FT

On 4/29/20 10:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Thurd Floydsby writes:


I have been fooling around with this ML500 that I >don't have a title for as it 
has a lean.


Broken ball joint? Flat tire?

Oh, you mean lien, as in someone else owns it

Surprised the grammar police (you) didn't catch that one.

Fix your break petal, don't be a looser.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Does a bad alternator create a "no start" condition?

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 12:13 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3412083555485327
>
>
>   Seller's description…
>
> No TITLE Lean on Car Alternator is bad will need it towed. New O2
> sensors and new oil change. Tires are great excellent condition. Shoot
> me an offer need gone asap
>
> --FT
>
> On 4/29/20 10:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> > Thurd Floydsby writes:
> >
> >> I have been fooling around with this ML500 that I >don't have a title
> for as it has a lean.
> >
> > Broken ball joint? Flat tire?
> >
> > Oh, you mean lien, as in someone else owns it
> >
> > Surprised the grammar police (you) didn't catch that one.
> >
> > Fix your break petal, don't be a looser.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

One should respect a person's potential wish to keep some personal
information private, and choose what to divulge. People can be sensitive
for all sorts of reasons- you never know what kind of race-based crap they
might have had to deal with in their life. So it is understandable that
many people are cagey about it. We dont typically ask people what religion
they are, or how much money they have, or what political party they belong
to either. Same with race and ethnicity. It shouldnt matter, fundamentally.
Why do you want to know? A person is a person. But everybody grew up
somewhere and that question seems to be neutral enough to be
non-threatening. People can share what they want, but it isnt polite to put
them on the spot.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 2:47 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 29/04/2020 4:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Yes - that is what I always ask.  Solves all the awkward bits and allows
> a
> > foreign born person to brag on their heritage.
> >
> but does not give you any information on their basic ethnic background
> if they were born in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Why has it become somehow
> wrong to ask a person who obviously looks Asian if they have a Korean
> background? Some would not wish to be considered Chinese etc.
>
> We are getting a fair number of black people here now. To my mind, it is
> more interesting to know that they are from Nigeria rather than ST.
> Paul, Minnesota.
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E420

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah that 420 was a great buy Dan.

2.5 is a great rate. We just did 3.1 on a 30 yr fixed. It is a jumbo so I
think that bumps it up a bit also.

There are some arguments for staying liquid but they all involve making
more than you are paying in interest on the mortgage. We wanted out of
pocket to go down. If prices tank we can use the equity to buy a rental or
something.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 3:03 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> That sucks. Sorry to hear that.
>
> We just did a refinance on our new house because we went into with the
> bare minimum (5%) to avoid tying up cash. Now that our former house has
> sold, we’re rolling a good part of the proceeds into the new house’s
> mortgage and knocking the rate down over a full point to 2.5% for 15 years.
> We applied and got approved in record time, like three days. Mortgage guy
> said we would probably not be able to close until mid May, as new home
> buyers get priority in the closing queue.
>
> New home mortgages must have tanked significantly, as our late May closing
> is now next week.
>
> Another interesting thing: Our mortgage company is requiring employment
> verification within 24 hours of our closing and a questionnaire about
> COVID-19 issues that have Federal penalties if you misrepresent the
> answers. Wow.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The deal for the other house didn’t work out, so we’re staying put at
> least for now. Since we don’t have enough income for another loan for the
> new property, we either have to be able to do a rent/pre-occupancy deal
> while our house sells or a contingent, bumpable buyer. With four dogs, and
> being both visually impaired, we can’t be in limbo without a place to live.
> The seller’s lender was going to allow pre-occupancy, but her lender
> wouldn’t approve our rent as income so she couldn’t more forward with the
> loan on her new property.
> > Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> > 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
> > 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine, soon to
> be back on the road!!!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >> On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yeah, I was really lucky to score this one. I’m surprised someone
> didn’t beat me to it.
> >>
> >> Sounds like the 240D is just about ready to go. How much longer before
> you move out to the new digs?
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sounds like you got an awesome deal on that E420! A used car of any
> era with EVERYTHING working is a rarity, let alone one that is 25 years
> old! I finally got some news on my 1982 240D that’s been in the shop since
> February. They are wrapping things up, and it COULD be ready by the end of
> the week! It will be nice to have Hilde back! My niece moved up here from
> California, and she’s excited to drive it!
> >>> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> >>> 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
> >>> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine soon to
> be back on the road!!!
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  The $1500 1995 E420 arrived yesterday morning from Columbus OH about
> 9:30. No surprises for the most part.
> 
>  I forgot how much fun these cars are. Really. The W124 has that “bank
> vault” feeling when you close the door, and the interior, while spartan, is
> comfortable yet “tight”. Engine idles smoothly, could easily pass the
> champagne glass test. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING, works on this car. If
> there was a complaint I would say that the sunroof doesn’t open all the
> way, but that’s clearly due to a need for a good greasing. Suspension is
> tight, there’s no wandering, swaying and the steering tracks straight and
> true.
> 
>  The good:
> 
>  Everything works
>  113,000 miles on the clock
>  All maintenance up to date
>  Nearly new (snow) tires on the car, spare set of wheels with old
> Michelins
>  Suspension rubber appears to be tight
>  No road or drivetrain noises
>  Inside of valve covers are CLEAN
> 
>  The bad, or not so bad:
> 
>  Paint on roof is toast. Clear coat is a crackle finish. Good part is
> that this is limited to the roof, so it would be easy to fix. Rest of the
> paint is good.
>  Driver’s seat bottom is torn
>  One rear headrest is split
>  Front bumper cover is missing under right corner. Gone.
>  ASR and ABS lights are on. SDS revealed a bad idle position switch,
> which is on order
>  Brake booster leaks internally
>  Both air intake hoses are toast
>  Broken right front sway bar bracket
>  Coolant reservoir level switch is bad
>  Trunk lid stops are gone
>  Fuse box lid has one hook broken

[MBZ] M110 engine manual pdf

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Would this be a reasonable thing to get?  I have the 123CDs which are OK 
if a bit convoluted, some of the info I want/need is not entirely 
clear.  I have the WIS/EPC DVDs but they are currently not working, 
probably need to reload them which is a PITA


http://mbmanuals.com/engines/m110eng.htm

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Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

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> The advantage [Fords] had was the 3pt hitch well before anybody else had it.

Steaming pile of poo compared to International's 2-point fast hitch.
You could hook up to implements without ever leaving the seat.
And, it offered power roll and azimuth adjustments, as well as
lift and pushdown.  (Lift only, if you pulled the appropriate pin.)
Three hydraulic levers, to the Ford system's one.

Ford's system was basically inferior, but adequate.  And, it won
in the end.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 International's mistake was not licensing their system. Once the 3pt (The 
Ferguson system) got out to other manufacturers the writing was on the wall.
-Curt

On Thursday, April 30, 2020, 12:29:02 PM EDT, Jim Cathey 
 wrote:  
 
 > The advantage [Fords] had was the 3pt hitch well before anybody else had it.

Steaming pile of poo compared to International's 2-point fast hitch.
You could hook up to implements without ever leaving the seat.
And, it offered power roll and azimuth adjustments, as well as
lift and pushdown.  (Lift only, if you pulled the appropriate pin.)
Three hydraulic levers, to the Ford system's one.

Ford's system was basically inferior, but adequate.  And, it won
in the end.

-- Jim
  
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 30/04/2020 11:18 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

One should respect a person's potential wish to keep some personal
information private, and choose what to divulge. People can be sensitive
for all sorts of reasons- you never know what kind of race-based crap they
might have had to deal with in their life. So it is understandable that
many people are cagey about it. We dont typically ask people what religion
they are, or how much money they have, or what political party they belong
to either. Same with race and ethnicity. It shouldnt matter, fundamentally.
Why do you want to know? A person is a person. But everybody grew up
somewhere and that question seems to be neutral enough to be
non-threatening. People can share what they want, but it isnt polite to put
them on the spot.

I cannot say that I agree with that. I would take the position that 
asking people questions about themselves is showing an interest in them.


One should not press the issue if the person essentially says, "mind 
your own business" but I would also say that is essentially saying "I 
have no interest in getting to know you" so, I should take that as a cue 
to just move on and not try to establish any relationship with them.


I think a lot of this relates to the current state of my world. I grew 
up in a very small town where everyone knew everyone. We were mostly 
"white" except for some native Indian folks. There were no black people, 
no Asian people,  and no real concerns about ethnic origins to amount to 
anything. I don't recall anyone speaking with a heavy accent. We spoke 
English. We were divided more by whether we were protestant or catholic 
than anything else.


Now I live in a city that has many old ethnic roots - Ukrainians, 
Icelanders, Jewish folks etc. There were also later immigrants - notably 
from the Philippines, in the 1970s but, we have also been overrun by 
immigrants in more recent years, from China, India, Pakistan, and 
Nigeria, and likely other countries, so there are many new faces and 
they are faces of various colours. That is still a bit of a curiosity 
here as it has not been all that long since the vast majority of people 
on the street were "white". We almost never saw a black person.


If I drive or bicycle through my neighbourhood now, the majority of 
people that I will see on the sidewalks will not be white. That likely 
will not be the case in small rural towns but it certainly is true here 
in the cities. Some neighbourhoods may be more white than others. I live 
very close to the University of Manitoba and that attracts a lot of 
foreign people so my area may not be representative of the whole city.


I think I have a natural curiosity when it comes to our newcomers.

RB



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Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Welker Farms just did a refresh on the Moline.

That's the sound, all right!  Ours also had lost its muffler along the way, 
there
at the end.  Our U had no hydraulics at all.  We used the drawbar, and the PTO
when mowing.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Racism

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I grew up in an America that was populated by people from all parts of the
world, but came to America and became American... regardless of where they
were from.
It was a good place, then.

Now, I live in an America that is populated by people from all parts of the
world, but came to America and still cling to not becoming American, but
claiming some sort of Hyphenated-American  which somehow insults me..
You either assimilate and become American.. or pack and move back to whence
you came. Being fixated on "your ethnicity" over tending to your adopted
country is a personal fail, in my view.
It is still a good place, just populated with some people who have lost
focus.

I don't much care where you are from, its where you are going that
interests me.
"Beauty is only skin deep, Ugly is clear to the bone."



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> One should respect a person's potential wish to keep some personal
> information private, and choose what to divulge. People can be sensitive
> for all sorts of reasons- you never know what kind of race-based crap they
> might have had to deal with in their life. So it is understandable that
> many people are cagey about it. We dont typically ask people what religion
> they are, or how much money they have, or what political party they belong
> to either. Same with race and ethnicity. It shouldnt matter, fundamentally.
> Why do you want to know? A person is a person. But everybody grew up
> somewhere and that question seems to be neutral enough to be
> non-threatening. People can share what they want, but it isnt polite to put
> them on the spot.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 2:47 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > On 29/04/2020 4:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Yes - that is what I always ask.  Solves all the awkward bits and
> allows
> > a
> > > foreign born person to brag on their heritage.
> > >
> > but does not give you any information on their basic ethnic background
> > if they were born in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Why has it become somehow
> > wrong to ask a person who obviously looks Asian if they have a Korean
> > background? Some would not wish to be considered Chinese etc.
> >
> > We are getting a fair number of black people here now. To my mind, it is
> > more interesting to know that they are from Nigeria rather than ST.
> > Paul, Minnesota.
> >
> > RB
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap ML

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Needs a soccer Mom rarin' to get liberated from lockdown.

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> Needs air
>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] FB photog and sales guy of the year

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Unbelievable.  Who are these people?

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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E420

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Karl.

I don’t recall what the rate that was quoted, but we bought it down to 2.5% for 
about $1400. While I wouldn’t normally buy points, it was enough of a bargain 
that it made sense to do it. We’re not quite retirement age but the light at 
the end of the tunnel is definitely getting brighter, so anything we can do to 
reduce overhead while banking as much cash and investments as possible makes 
sense. In a pinch we’ll have plenty of equity as well if we needed it.

I’m sure most of the borrowers in your part of the world are using jumbo 
mortgages…I remember looking into them when I was living in San Francisco. Glad 
that didn’t pan out…

-D


> On Apr 30, 2020, at 12:25 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah that 420 was a great buy Dan.
> 
> 2.5 is a great rate. We just did 3.1 on a 30 yr fixed. It is a jumbo so I
> think that bumps it up a bit also.
> 
> There are some arguments for staying liquid but they all involve making
> more than you are paying in interest on the mortgage. We wanted out of
> pocket to go down. If prices tank we can use the equity to buy a rental or
> something.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 3:03 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> That sucks. Sorry to hear that.
>> 
>> We just did a refinance on our new house because we went into with the
>> bare minimum (5%) to avoid tying up cash. Now that our former house has
>> sold, we’re rolling a good part of the proceeds into the new house’s
>> mortgage and knocking the rate down over a full point to 2.5% for 15 years.
>> We applied and got approved in record time, like three days. Mortgage guy
>> said we would probably not be able to close until mid May, as new home
>> buyers get priority in the closing queue.
>> 
>> New home mortgages must have tanked significantly, as our late May closing
>> is now next week.
>> 
>> Another interesting thing: Our mortgage company is requiring employment
>> verification within 24 hours of our closing and a questionnaire about
>> COVID-19 issues that have Federal penalties if you misrepresent the
>> answers. Wow.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The deal for the other house didn’t work out, so we’re staying put at
>> least for now. Since we don’t have enough income for another loan for the
>> new property, we either have to be able to do a rent/pre-occupancy deal
>> while our house sells or a contingent, bumpable buyer. With four dogs, and
>> being both visually impaired, we can’t be in limbo without a place to live.
>> The seller’s lender was going to allow pre-occupancy, but her lender
>> wouldn’t approve our rent as income so she couldn’t more forward with the
>> loan on her new property.
>>> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
>>> 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
>>> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine, soon to
>> be back on the road!!!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Yeah, I was really lucky to score this one. I’m surprised someone
>> didn’t beat me to it.
 
 Sounds like the 240D is just about ready to go. How much longer before
>> you move out to the new digs?
 
 -D
 
> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like you got an awesome deal on that E420! A used car of any
>> era with EVERYTHING working is a rarity, let alone one that is 25 years
>> old! I finally got some news on my 1982 240D that’s been in the shop since
>> February. They are wrapping things up, and it COULD be ready by the end of
>> the week! It will be nice to have Hilde back! My niece moved up here from
>> California, and she’s excited to drive it!
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine soon to
>> be back on the road!!!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The $1500 1995 E420 arrived yesterday morning from Columbus OH about
>> 9:30. No surprises for the most part.
>> 
>> I forgot how much fun these cars are. Really. The W124 has that “bank
>> vault” feeling when you close the door, and the interior, while spartan, is
>> comfortable yet “tight”. Engine idles smoothly, could easily pass the
>> champagne glass test. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING, works on this car. If
>> there was a complaint I would say that the sunroof doesn’t open all the
>> way, but that’s clearly due to a need for a good greasing. Suspension is
>> tight, there’s no wandering, swaying and the steering tracks straight and
>> true.
>> 
>> The good:
>> 
>> Everything works
>> 113,000 miles on the clock
>> All maintenance up to date
>> Nearly new (snow) tires on the car, spare se

Re: [MBZ] M110 engine manual pdf

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

At nearly 800 pages for $20 I can’t see why not. If it helps with just one 
repair it’s pretty much paid for itself.

I’m all for having as much of the factory documentation as possible when the 
acquisition cost isn’t ridiculous. The one place this doesn’t pan out is in the 
1960s era stuff. The service manuals are detailed, but they also leave a 
boatload of stuff out, too. Sort of like a cross between a TDM and an owner’s 
manual.

-D

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> Would this be a reasonable thing to get?  I have the 123CDs which are OK if a 
> bit convoluted, some of the info I want/need is not entirely clear.  I have 
> the WIS/EPC DVDs but they are currently not working, probably need to reload 
> them which is a PITA
> 
> http://mbmanuals.com/engines/m110eng.htm
> 
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[MBZ] Hager's Puts This Car At...

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

...$12,900 in excellent condition. Uh, yeah, I think not.

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1985-mercedes-300d/7116358739.html
 


-D
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Re: [MBZ] Hager's Puts This Car At...

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Why is there so much crack with the 123s right now? Next time I find a half way 
decent turbo I guess I will buy it. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> ...$12,900 in excellent condition. Uh, yeah, I think not.
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1985-mercedes-300d/7116358739.html
>  
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hager's Puts This Car At...

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Seller seems like a real a**h*le.  I didn't see any photos of the engine
bay so no way to tell if it's the CA version with the trap oxidizer and
other unique/hard to find/expensive engine and emissions parts.  The gold
color is nauseating IMO and the two tone MB Tex upholstery looks as if the
seats are half faded.  Give me a brake.

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> Why is there so much crack with the 123s right now? Next time I find a
> half way decent turbo I guess I will buy it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 30, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > ...$12,900 in excellent condition. Uh, yeah, I think not.
> >
> >
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1985-mercedes-300d/7116358739.html
> <
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1985-mercedes-300d/7116358739.html
> >
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[MBZ] "Affordable" 1980 RR on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

There is no such thing.  Here's proof.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-rolls-royce-silver-shadow-ii/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-04-30
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Re: [MBZ] Hager's Puts This Car At...

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Scarcity. Market forces.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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> Why is there so much crack with the 123s right now? Next time I find a
> half way decent turbo I guess I will buy it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 30, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > ...$12,900 in excellent condition. Uh, yeah, I think not.
> >
> >
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1985-mercedes-300d/7116358739.html
> <
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1985-mercedes-300d/7116358739.html
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I agree with you wholeheartedly, Grant.

Growing up around my paternal grandfather, who at that time had been in the 
country for nearly 50 years and a citizen for 25-30 years, I got to see an 
individual and the community around them and how they embraced the “American 
dream/way/whatever”. Grandpa was the epitome of the patriotic immigrant - 
Mother, apple pie, baseball, etc. Heck, he could have been the poster child. 
The community he lived in was nearly 100% immigrants, mostly from eastern 
Europe, speaking a common (first) language of Greek. Every one of them was a 
hard working, hard core American, despite being firmly rooted in their former 
culture. They voted, actively participated in local government and community, 
and had a deep commitment to their community and it’s members. I can’t ever 
recall them saying anything about “how much better it was in the old country”.

Many of them, like my grandfather, were very prosperous business owners who 
built their businesses up from the ground with nothing more than sweat equity. 
I know that at the peak of his business career my Grandpa owned three taverns 
and at least one bowling alley. The whole time he had these businesses he was 
still working first shift at Granite City Steel! I have no idea of what his 
personal wealth was, but I have to believe it was substantial based on his 
business holdings. You wouldn’t know it from seeing his house or personal 
possessions. Much the same with his fellow business owners. A good example of 
this is when they decided they needed their own Orthodox church. They 
petitioned for a priest, got one within about a year, and in another year had 
built a beautiful church, paid for 100% by the community. I’m sure Grandpa 
wrote a big check for that.

Anyway, my point is that while he and his community were proud of their 
ethnicity and culture and practiced it regularly, it didn’t overshadow their 
love for the country and desire to be Americans. They assimilated, learned the 
language and trafficked easily with everyone else in the area regardless of 
their country of origin or ethnicity.

While I’m not totally comfortable with a “national language” requirement, I 
think the approach that a lot of countries like the Nordic ones have towards 
immigrants - if you want to come here you have a fixed time to learn our 
language. They also provide the resources to do so, which I also think is 
important.

-D

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 1:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I grew up in an America that was populated by people from all parts of the
> world, but came to America and became American... regardless of where they
> were from.
> It was a good place, then.
> 
> Now, I live in an America that is populated by people from all parts of the
> world, but came to America and still cling to not becoming American, but
> claiming some sort of Hyphenated-American  which somehow insults me..
> You either assimilate and become American.. or pack and move back to whence
> you came. Being fixated on "your ethnicity" over tending to your adopted
> country is a personal fail, in my view.
> It is still a good place, just populated with some people who have lost
> focus.
> 
> I don't much care where you are from, its where you are going that
> interests me.
> "Beauty is only skin deep, Ugly is clear to the bone."
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:19 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> One should respect a person's potential wish to keep some personal
>> information private, and choose what to divulge. People can be sensitive
>> for all sorts of reasons- you never know what kind of race-based crap they
>> might have had to deal with in their life. So it is understandable that
>> many people are cagey about it. We dont typically ask people what religion
>> they are, or how much money they have, or what political party they belong
>> to either. Same with race and ethnicity. It shouldnt matter, fundamentally.
>> Why do you want to know? A person is a person. But everybody grew up
>> somewhere and that question seems to be neutral enough to be
>> non-threatening. People can share what they want, but it isnt polite to put
>> them on the spot.
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 2:47 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 29/04/2020 4:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 Yes - that is what I always ask.  Solves all the awkward bits and
>> allows
>>> a
 foreign born person to brag on their heritage.
 
>>> but does not give you any information on their basic ethnic background
>>> if they were born in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Why has it become somehow
>>> wrong to ask a person who obviously looks Asian if they have a Korean
>>> background? Some would not wish to be considered Chinese etc.
>>> 
>>> We are getting a fair number of black people here now. To my mind, it is
>>> more interesting to know that they are from Nigeria rather than ST.
>>> Paul, Minn

Re: [MBZ] M110 engine manual pdf

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I found it on a UK site for 9.95pounds with an ebay 10% coupon came to 
about $12 shipped for free, should be here by Royal Post next week.


--FT

On 4/30/20 2:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

At nearly 800 pages for $20 I can’t see why not. If it helps with just one 
repair it’s pretty much paid for itself.

I’m all for having as much of the factory documentation as possible when the 
acquisition cost isn’t ridiculous. The one place this doesn’t pan out is in the 
1960s era stuff. The service manuals are detailed, but they also leave a 
boatload of stuff out, too. Sort of like a cross between a TDM and an owner’s 
manual.

-D


On Apr 30, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Would this be a reasonable thing to get?  I have the 123CDs which are OK if a 
bit convoluted, some of the info I want/need is not entirely clear.  I have the 
WIS/EPC DVDs but they are currently not working, probably need to reload them 
which is a PITA

http://mbmanuals.com/engines/m110eng.htm

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Re: [MBZ] "Affordable" 1980 RR on BAT

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Ahhh... a Rolls built after the entire styling department spent time
learning how to style Velveeta cheese bricks.
IMHO, not an inspired body, mated with less than inspired mechanical s...
sad... the slippery slope to ugly...

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> There is no such thing.  Here's proof.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Nobody knows how to work and build anything these days. It’s all give me give 
me give me 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I agree with you wholeheartedly, Grant.
> 
> Growing up around my paternal grandfather, who at that time had been in the 
> country for nearly 50 years and a citizen for 25-30 years, I got to see an 
> individual and the community around them and how they embraced the “American 
> dream/way/whatever”. Grandpa was the epitome of the patriotic immigrant - 
> Mother, apple pie, baseball, etc. Heck, he could have been the poster child. 
> The community he lived in was nearly 100% immigrants, mostly from eastern 
> Europe, speaking a common (first) language of Greek. Every one of them was a 
> hard working, hard core American, despite being firmly rooted in their former 
> culture. They voted, actively participated in local government and community, 
> and had a deep commitment to their community and it’s members. I can’t ever 
> recall them saying anything about “how much better it was in the old country”.
> 
> Many of them, like my grandfather, were very prosperous business owners who 
> built their businesses up from the ground with nothing more than sweat 
> equity. I know that at the peak of his business career my Grandpa owned three 
> taverns and at least one bowling alley. The whole time he had these 
> businesses he was still working first shift at Granite City Steel! I have no 
> idea of what his personal wealth was, but I have to believe it was 
> substantial based on his business holdings. You wouldn’t know it from seeing 
> his house or personal possessions. Much the same with his fellow business 
> owners. A good example of this is when they decided they needed their own 
> Orthodox church. They petitioned for a priest, got one within about a year, 
> and in another year had built a beautiful church, paid for 100% by the 
> community. I’m sure Grandpa wrote a big check for that.
> 
> Anyway, my point is that while he and his community were proud of their 
> ethnicity and culture and practiced it regularly, it didn’t overshadow their 
> love for the country and desire to be Americans. They assimilated, learned 
> the language and trafficked easily with everyone else in the area regardless 
> of their country of origin or ethnicity.
> 
> While I’m not totally comfortable with a “national language” requirement, I 
> think the approach that a lot of countries like the Nordic ones have towards 
> immigrants - if you want to come here you have a fixed time to learn our 
> language. They also provide the resources to do so, which I also think is 
> important.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 1:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I grew up in an America that was populated by people from all parts of the
>> world, but came to America and became American... regardless of where they
>> were from.
>> It was a good place, then.
>> 
>> Now, I live in an America that is populated by people from all parts of the
>> world, but came to America and still cling to not becoming American, but
>> claiming some sort of Hyphenated-American  which somehow insults me..
>> You either assimilate and become American.. or pack and move back to whence
>> you came. Being fixated on "your ethnicity" over tending to your adopted
>> country is a personal fail, in my view.
>> It is still a good place, just populated with some people who have lost
>> focus.
>> 
>> I don't much care where you are from, its where you are going that
>> interests me.
>> "Beauty is only skin deep, Ugly is clear to the bone."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:19 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> One should respect a person's potential wish to keep some personal
>>> information private, and choose what to divulge. People can be sensitive
>>> for all sorts of reasons- you never know what kind of race-based crap they
>>> might have had to deal with in their life. So it is understandable that
>>> many people are cagey about it. We dont typically ask people what religion
>>> they are, or how much money they have, or what political party they belong
>>> to either. Same with race and ethnicity. It shouldnt matter, fundamentally.
>>> Why do you want to know? A person is a person. But everybody grew up
>>> somewhere and that question seems to be neutral enough to be
>>> non-threatening. People can share what they want, but it isnt polite to put
>>> them on the spot.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 2:47 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 On 29/04/2020 4:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Yes - that is what I always ask.  Solves all the awkward bits and
>>> allows
 a
> foreign born person to brag on their heritage.
> 
 but does not give you any information on their basic ethnic background
 if they were born in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Why has it become

Re: [MBZ] Racism

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

For what it is worth, I also suspect that a lot of our immigrants come 
here because they see it as a way to make a buck, but ultimately they do 
not want to be here and hope they make enough to retire "back home".


RB

On 30/04/2020 1:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I agree with you wholeheartedly, Grant.

Growing up around my paternal grandfather, who at that time had been in the 
country for nearly 50 years and a citizen for 25-30 years, I got to see an 
individual and the community around them and how they embraced the “American 
dream/way/whatever”. Grandpa was the epitome of the patriotic immigrant - 
Mother, apple pie, baseball, etc. Heck, he could have been the poster child. 
The community he lived in was nearly 100% immigrants, mostly from eastern 
Europe, speaking a common (first) language of Greek. Every one of them was a 
hard working, hard core American, despite being firmly rooted in their former 
culture. They voted, actively participated in local government and community, 
and had a deep commitment to their community and it’s members. I can’t ever 
recall them saying anything about “how much better it was in the old country”.

Many of them, like my grandfather, were very prosperous business owners who 
built their businesses up from the ground with nothing more than sweat equity. 
I know that at the peak of his business career my Grandpa owned three taverns 
and at least one bowling alley. The whole time he had these businesses he was 
still working first shift at Granite City Steel! I have no idea of what his 
personal wealth was, but I have to believe it was substantial based on his 
business holdings. You wouldn’t know it from seeing his house or personal 
possessions. Much the same with his fellow business owners. A good example of 
this is when they decided they needed their own Orthodox church. They 
petitioned for a priest, got one within about a year, and in another year had 
built a beautiful church, paid for 100% by the community. I’m sure Grandpa 
wrote a big check for that.

Anyway, my point is that while he and his community were proud of their 
ethnicity and culture and practiced it regularly, it didn’t overshadow their 
love for the country and desire to be Americans. They assimilated, learned the 
language and trafficked easily with everyone else in the area regardless of 
their country of origin or ethnicity.

While I’m not totally comfortable with a “national language” requirement, I 
think the approach that a lot of countries like the Nordic ones have towards 
immigrants - if you want to come here you have a fixed time to learn our 
language. They also provide the resources to do so, which I also think is 
important.

-D




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Re: [MBZ] Racism

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 It depends on where you look. I like watching the maker community, people like 
Jimmy Diresta, Bob Clagget, Alec Steel you can see on YouTube. Theres lots of 
others as well on YouTube and elsewhere.
Years ago I took at welding class at The Steel Yard in Providence. It was 
really cool to walk around and see the artists and what they were working on. 
Mostly young folks but a few grey beards too.
Its too easy to watch TV and get all doom and gloom because you only see the 
morons. Its actually even easier on Facebook because most of those people are 
morons... Theres lots of good stuff going on, you just can't sit in your house, 
you gotta go look.
-Curt

On Thursday, April 30, 2020, 4:12:07 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Nobody knows how to work and build anything these days. It’s all give me give 
me give me 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I agree with you wholeheartedly, Grant.
> 
> Growing up around my paternal grandfather, who at that time had been in the 
> country for nearly 50 years and a citizen for 25-30 years, I got to see an 
> individual and the community around them and how they embraced the “American 
> dream/way/whatever”. Grandpa was the epitome of the patriotic immigrant - 
> Mother, apple pie, baseball, etc. Heck, he could have been the poster child. 
> The community he lived in was nearly 100% immigrants, mostly from eastern 
> Europe, speaking a common (first) language of Greek. Every one of them was a 
> hard working, hard core American, despite being firmly rooted in their former 
> culture. They voted, actively participated in local government and community, 
> and had a deep commitment to their community and it’s members. I can’t ever 
> recall them saying anything about “how much better it was in the old country”.
> 
> Many of them, like my grandfather, were very prosperous business owners who 
> built their businesses up from the ground with nothing more than sweat 
> equity. I know that at the peak of his business career my Grandpa owned three 
> taverns and at least one bowling alley. The whole time he had these 
> businesses he was still working first shift at Granite City Steel! I have no 
> idea of what his personal wealth was, but I have to believe it was 
> substantial based on his business holdings. You wouldn’t know it from seeing 
> his house or personal possessions. Much the same with his fellow business 
> owners. A good example of this is when they decided they needed their own 
> Orthodox church. They petitioned for a priest, got one within about a year, 
> and in another year had built a beautiful church, paid for 100% by the 
> community. I’m sure Grandpa wrote a big check for that.
> 
> Anyway, my point is that while he and his community were proud of their 
> ethnicity and culture and practiced it regularly, it didn’t overshadow their 
> love for the country and desire to be Americans. They assimilated, learned 
> the language and trafficked easily with everyone else in the area regardless 
> of their country of origin or ethnicity.
> 
> While I’m not totally comfortable with a “national language” requirement, I 
> think the approach that a lot of countries like the Nordic ones have towards 
> immigrants - if you want to come here you have a fixed time to learn our 
> language. They also provide the resources to do so, which I also think is 
> important.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 1:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I grew up in an America that was populated by people from all parts of the
>> world, but came to America and became American... regardless of where they
>> were from.
>> It was a good place, then.
>> 
>> Now, I live in an America that is populated by people from all parts of the
>> world, but came to America and still cling to not becoming American, but
>> claiming some sort of Hyphenated-American  which somehow insults me..
>> You either assimilate and become American.. or pack and move back to whence
>> you came. Being fixated on "your ethnicity" over tending to your adopted
>> country is a personal fail, in my view.
>> It is still a good place, just populated with some people who have lost
>> focus.
>> 
>> I don't much care where you are from, its where you are going that
>> interests me.
>> "Beauty is only skin deep, Ugly is clear to the bone."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:19 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> One should respect a person's potential wish to keep some personal
>>> information private, and choose what to divulge. People can be sensitive
>>> for all sorts of reasons- you never know what kind of race-based crap they
>>> might have had to deal with in their life. So it is understandable that
>>> many people are cagey about it. We dont typically ask people what religion
>>> they are, or how much money they have, or what political party they belong
>>> to either. Same with ra

Re: [MBZ] Racism

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I think thats very common, especially with Asian immigrants. My mother worked 
with a Filipino lady who's husband was in a nursing home. She was waiting for 
him to die so she could go back to the Philippines. She loved her husband but 
didn't particularly love the US and wanted to go home.
-Curt

On Thursday, April 30, 2020, 4:17:19 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 For what it is worth, I also suspect that a lot of our immigrants come 
here because they see it as a way to make a buck, but ultimately they do 
not want to be here and hope they make enough to retire "back home".

RB

On 30/04/2020 1:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> I agree with you wholeheartedly, Grant.
>
> Growing up around my paternal grandfather, who at that time had been in the 
> country for nearly 50 years and a citizen for 25-30 years, I got to see an 
> individual and the community around them and how they embraced the “American 
> dream/way/whatever”. Grandpa was the epitome of the patriotic immigrant - 
> Mother, apple pie, baseball, etc. Heck, he could have been the poster child. 
> The community he lived in was nearly 100% immigrants, mostly from eastern 
> Europe, speaking a common (first) language of Greek. Every one of them was a 
> hard working, hard core American, despite being firmly rooted in their former 
> culture. They voted, actively participated in local government and community, 
> and had a deep commitment to their community and it’s members. I can’t ever 
> recall them saying anything about “how much better it was in the old country”.
>
> Many of them, like my grandfather, were very prosperous business owners who 
> built their businesses up from the ground with nothing more than sweat 
> equity. I know that at the peak of his business career my Grandpa owned three 
> taverns and at least one bowling alley. The whole time he had these 
> businesses he was still working first shift at Granite City Steel! I have no 
> idea of what his personal wealth was, but I have to believe it was 
> substantial based on his business holdings. You wouldn’t know it from seeing 
> his house or personal possessions. Much the same with his fellow business 
> owners. A good example of this is when they decided they needed their own 
> Orthodox church. They petitioned for a priest, got one within about a year, 
> and in another year had built a beautiful church, paid for 100% by the 
> community. I’m sure Grandpa wrote a big check for that.
>
> Anyway, my point is that while he and his community were proud of their 
> ethnicity and culture and practiced it regularly, it didn’t overshadow their 
> love for the country and desire to be Americans. They assimilated, learned 
> the language and trafficked easily with everyone else in the area regardless 
> of their country of origin or ethnicity.
>
> While I’m not totally comfortable with a “national language” requirement, I 
> think the approach that a lot of countries like the Nordic ones have towards 
> immigrants - if you want to come here you have a fixed time to learn our 
> language. They also provide the resources to do so, which I also think is 
> important.
>
> -D
>


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[MBZ] YAAAAAYYYYYYY MEEEEEE!!!!!! ITTTTT'SSSS ALLIIIIVVE!!!!!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I did the most simple thing to try to get this ML500 started. Jumpered 
the solenoid relay and it cranked right up and started!!  
YAY ME!  So now I need to figure out why that relay is not 
getting power, I think it must be from the ignition switch which is 
either gone bad or a wire is loose somewhere.  $21 part.   Now to dig 
into that... or rig up a momentary switch I can use to start it without 
the ignition switch working...


But how satisfying!  Now I need to work on clearing the lean and 
getting the tittle


--
--FT


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Re: [MBZ] YAAAAAYYYYYYY MEEEEEE!!!!!! ITTTTT'SSSS ALLIIIIVVE!!!!!

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Attaboy 

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> On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did the most simple thing to try to get this ML500 started. Jumpered the 
> solenoid relay and it cranked right up and started!!  YAY ME! 
>  So now I need to figure out why that relay is not getting power, I think it 
> must be from the ignition switch which is either gone bad or a wire is loose 
> somewhere.  $21 part.   Now to dig into that... or rig up a momentary switch 
> I can use to start it without the ignition switch working...
> 
> But how satisfying!  Now I need to work on clearing the lean and getting 
> the tittle
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> 
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Re: [MBZ] "Affordable" 1980 RR on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Holding firm at $6500!  Someone is going to STEAL this car... and regret at
leisure.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 4:08 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Ahhh... a Rolls built after the entire styling department spent time
> learning how to style Velveeta cheese bricks.
> IMHO, not an inspired body, mated with less than inspired mechanical s...
> sad... the slippery slope to ugly...
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:19 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > There is no such thing.  Here's proof.
> >
> >
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-rolls-royce-silver-shadow-ii/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-04-30
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Re: [MBZ] "Affordable" 1980 RR on BAT

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Bid quick Andrew. You can always swap the diesel out of your old wagon 
into it.


RB

On 30/04/2020 4:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Holding firm at $6500!  Someone is going to STEAL this car... and regret at
leisure.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 4:08 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:


Ahhh... a Rolls built after the entire styling department spent time
learning how to style Velveeta cheese bricks.
IMHO, not an inspired body, mated with less than inspired mechanical s...
sad... the slippery slope to ugly...

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:19 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


There is no such thing.  Here's proof.



https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-rolls-royce-silver-shadow-ii/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-04-30



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Re: [MBZ] "Affordable" 1980 RR on BAT

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yeah, do that and put in a hood stack exhaust while you're at it. A Rolls that 
rolls coal!

Allan

Randy Bennell via Mercedes  writes:

> Bid quick Andrew. You can always swap the diesel out of your old wagon 
> into it.
>
> RB
>
> On 30/04/2020 4:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Holding firm at $6500!  Someone is going to STEAL this car... and regret at
>> leisure.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 4:08 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ahhh... a Rolls built after the entire styling department spent time
>>> learning how to style Velveeta cheese bricks.
>>> IMHO, not an inspired body, mated with less than inspired mechanical s...
>>> sad... the slippery slope to ugly...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:19 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 There is no such thing.  Here's proof.


>>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-rolls-royce-silver-shadow-ii/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-04-30
>

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Re: [MBZ] YAAAAAYYYYYYY MEEEEEE!!!!!! ITTTTT'SSSS ALLIIIIVVE!!!!!

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Bravo! That's good news.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Apr 30, 2020 5:00:12 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> I did the most simple thing to try to get this ML500 started. Jumpered the 
> solenoid relay and it cranked right up and started!! YAY ME! 
> So now I need to figure out why that relay is not getting power, I think it 
> must be from the ignition switch which is either gone bad or a wire is loose 
> somewhere. $21 part. Now to dig into that... or rig up a momentary switch I 
> can use to start it without the ignition switch working...
> 
> But how satisfying! Now I need to work on clearing the lean and getting 
> the tittle
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> 
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[MBZ] BaT bidding

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-mercedes-benz-450sel-14/

Buyer ups his own bid by $3,300 in a single step? Am I reading this right?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] BaT bidding

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Hm, I guess my browser wasn't showing all the bids for some reason. I
see a lot more now. First time I looked I saw a bid for $5,600 and the
next bid was by the same bidder for $8,900.

So... never mind...

Allan Streib  writes:

> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-mercedes-benz-450sel-14/
>
> Buyer ups his own bid by $3,300 in a single step? Am I reading this right?
>
> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] BaT bidding

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes bidder went up 2-300 dollar increments.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 6:07 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hm, I guess my browser wasn't showing all the bids for some reason. I
> see a lot more now. First time I looked I saw a bid for $5,600 and the
> next bid was by the same bidder for $8,900.
>
> So... never mind...
>
> Allan Streib  writes:
>
> > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-mercedes-benz-450sel-14/
> >
> > Buyer ups his own bid by $3,300 in a single step? Am I reading this
> right?
> >
> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] BaT bidding

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Preemptive bid.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 6:07 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hm, I guess my browser wasn't showing all the bids for some reason. I
> see a lot more now. First time I looked I saw a bid for $5,600 and the
> next bid was by the same bidder for $8,900.
>
> So... never mind...
>
> Allan Streib  writes:
>
> > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-mercedes-benz-450sel-14/
> >
> > Buyer ups his own bid by $3,300 in a single step? Am I reading this
> right?
> >
> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] YAAAAAYYYYYYY MEEEEEE!!!!!! ITTTTT'SSSS ALLIIIIVVE!!!!!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Cool. Always good to have a win.

-D

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:59 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did the most simple thing to try to get this ML500 started. Jumpered the 
> solenoid relay and it cranked right up and started!!  YAY ME! 
>  So now I need to figure out why that relay is not getting power, I think it 
> must be from the ignition switch which is either gone bad or a wire is loose 
> somewhere.  $21 part.   Now to dig into that... or rig up a momentary switch 
> I can use to start it without the ignition switch working...
> 
> But how satisfying!  Now I need to work on clearing the lean and getting 
> the tittle
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Re: [MBZ] "Affordable" 1980 RR on BAT

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Only if you’re a member of the RR Facebook group.

-D

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, do that and put in a hood stack exhaust while you're at it. A Rolls 
> that rolls coal!
> 
> Allan
> 
> Randy Bennell via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Bid quick Andrew. You can always swap the diesel out of your old wagon 
>> into it.
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>> On 30/04/2020 4:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Holding firm at $6500!  Someone is going to STEAL this car... and regret at
>>> leisure.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 4:08 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Ahhh... a Rolls built after the entire styling department spent time
 learning how to style Velveeta cheese bricks.
 IMHO, not an inspired body, mated with less than inspired mechanical s...
 sad... the slippery slope to ugly...
 
 On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:19 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> There is no such thing.  Here's proof.
> 
> 
 https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-rolls-royce-silver-shadow-ii/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-04-30
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good point. This is pretty common in other parts of the world where there are 
large numbers of impoverished people. The Philippines and India are both 
examples of this. Both of them are a large part of the common labor pools in 
the Middle East. If you go to place like Saudi Arabia you’ll see tons of 
Filipinos doing all of the manual labor on construction sites. They’re also 
well entrenched in the cruise ship industry as well.

Go work in a rich country, send money home, make a very good living and support 
your family in a manner they could never have if you worked there. Bail when 
necessary.

-D



> On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think thats very common, especially with Asian immigrants. My mother worked 
> with a Filipino lady who's husband was in a nursing home. She was waiting for 
> him to die so she could go back to the Philippines. She loved her husband but 
> didn't particularly love the US and wanted to go home.
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, April 30, 2020, 4:17:19 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> For what it is worth, I also suspect that a lot of our immigrants come 
> here because they see it as a way to make a buck, but ultimately they do 
> not want to be here and hope they make enough to retire "back home".
> 
> RB
> 
> On 30/04/2020 1:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I agree with you wholeheartedly, Grant.
>> 
>> Growing up around my paternal grandfather, who at that time had been in the 
>> country for nearly 50 years and a citizen for 25-30 years, I got to see an 
>> individual and the community around them and how they embraced the “American 
>> dream/way/whatever”. Grandpa was the epitome of the patriotic immigrant - 
>> Mother, apple pie, baseball, etc. Heck, he could have been the poster child. 
>> The community he lived in was nearly 100% immigrants, mostly from eastern 
>> Europe, speaking a common (first) language of Greek. Every one of them was a 
>> hard working, hard core American, despite being firmly rooted in their 
>> former culture. They voted, actively participated in local government and 
>> community, and had a deep commitment to their community and it’s members. I 
>> can’t ever recall them saying anything about “how much better it was in the 
>> old country”.
>> 
>> Many of them, like my grandfather, were very prosperous business owners who 
>> built their businesses up from the ground with nothing more than sweat 
>> equity. I know that at the peak of his business career my Grandpa owned 
>> three taverns and at least one bowling alley. The whole time he had these 
>> businesses he was still working first shift at Granite City Steel! I have no 
>> idea of what his personal wealth was, but I have to believe it was 
>> substantial based on his business holdings. You wouldn’t know it from seeing 
>> his house or personal possessions. Much the same with his fellow business 
>> owners. A good example of this is when they decided they needed their own 
>> Orthodox church. They petitioned for a priest, got one within about a year, 
>> and in another year had built a beautiful church, paid for 100% by the 
>> community. I’m sure Grandpa wrote a big check for that.
>> 
>> Anyway, my point is that while he and his community were proud of their 
>> ethnicity and culture and practiced it regularly, it didn’t overshadow their 
>> love for the country and desire to be Americans. They assimilated, learned 
>> the language and trafficked easily with everyone else in the area regardless 
>> of their country of origin or ethnicity.
>> 
>> While I’m not totally comfortable with a “national language” requirement, I 
>> think the approach that a lot of countries like the Nordic ones have towards 
>> immigrants - if you want to come here you have a fixed time to learn our 
>> language. They also provide the resources to do so, which I also think is 
>> important.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] YAAAAAYYYYYYY MEEEEEE!!!!!! ITTTTT'SSSS ALLIIIIVVE!!!!!

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Winner winner chicken dinner!
Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
2019 sprinter 750 miles, low mileage Lutgard
1982 240D, hi mileage Hildegard

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> On Apr 30, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did the most simple thing to try to get this ML500 started. Jumpered the 
> solenoid relay and it cranked right up and started!!  YAY ME! 
>  So now I need to figure out why that relay is not getting power, I think it 
> must be from the ignition switch which is either gone bad or a wire is loose 
> somewhere.  $21 part.   Now to dig into that... or rig up a momentary switch 
> I can use to start it without the ignition switch working...
> 
> But how satisfying!  Now I need to work on clearing the lean and getting 
> the tittle
> 
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Re: [MBZ] YAAAAAYYYYYYY MEEEEEE!!!!!! ITTTTT'SSSS ALLIIIIVVE!!!!!

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I’m gonna have some shrimps!  After my celebratory bevvie...

--FT
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> On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:33 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Winner winner chicken dinner!
> Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
> 2019 sprinter 750 miles, low mileage Lutgard
> 1982 240D, hi mileage Hildegard
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I did the most simple thing to try to get this ML500 started. Jumpered the 
>> solenoid relay and it cranked right up and started!!  YAY 
>> ME!  So now I need to figure out why that relay is not getting power, I 
>> think it must be from the ignition switch which is either gone bad or a wire 
>> is loose somewhere.  $21 part.   Now to dig into that... or rig up a 
>> momentary switch I can use to start it without the ignition switch working...
>> 
>> But how satisfying!  Now I need to work on clearing the lean and getting 
>> the tittle
>> 
>> -- 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] YAAAAAYYYYYYY MEEEEEE!!!!!! ITTTTT'SSSS ALLIIIIVVE!!!!!

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

For What it’s worth. 
I recently sold my 2005 Dodge Caravan and the buyer came back to me after 
trying to buy plates for it. She said the licensing bureau claimed there was a 
lien on the title. 
I bought the vehicle new from the dealership and it has been paid off for over 
10 years.  We bought it new had financed around $5000 to qualify for discounts. 
I could not locate the lien release from the loan company so I went back the 
dealership and the woman I spoke with said the loan company was out of business 
and referred me to a service that charges $30 to clear a title.  She also 
discreetly suggested I just sign a fictitious name and date on the stamped form 
the state licensing bureau had placed on the title.  So that’s what I did. That 
was over 2 weeks ago. Hoping for the best. 

Michael E. Esh


> On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did the most simple thing to try to get this ML500 started. Jumpered the 
> solenoid relay and it cranked right up and started!!  YAY ME! 
>  So now I need to figure out why that relay is not getting power, I think it 
> must be from the ignition switch which is either gone bad or a wire is loose 
> somewhere.  $21 part.   Now to dig into that... or rig up a momentary switch 
> I can use to start it without the ignition switch working...
> 
> But how satisfying!  Now I need to work on clearing the lean and getting 
> the tittle
> 
> -- 
> --FT
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[MBZ] Decent deal or turd?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/289695168696335/


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Re: [MBZ] Decent deal or turd?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

$1200. Go for it. Fix it, Drive it and have fun then flip it

--FT
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> On Apr 30, 2020, at 9:36 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/289695168696335/
> 
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