Re: [MBZ] Are ML keys still available?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Hmm. Didn't think about that one. More disincentive to have US based 
manufacturing.


Rick

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JIT systems, IMHO, are driven primarily by government-instituted inventory 
taxes.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Are ML keys still available?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

JIT systems, IMHO, are driven primarily by government-instituted inventory 
taxes.

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Re: [MBZ] Are ML keys still available?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Don't forget "Just In Time" delivery. No need to stock parts in inventory, oh 
hell no. We can get them "just in time". How's that working out for the auto 
industry now, with the semiconductor shortage?


Rick

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When I entered engineering, we basically _never_ used single-sourced parts.
Now, it's mostly nothing _but_ single-sourced parts.

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Re: [MBZ] Are ML keys still available?

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When I entered engineering, we basically _never_ used single-sourced parts.
Now, it's mostly nothing _but_ single-sourced parts.

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Re: [MBZ] Are ML keys still available?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Welcome to the modern world, where simple things are now needlessly
complicated and dependent on supply chains that can disappear overnight.

This is why I don't like computers in cars.

Allan

Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes  writes:

> Apparently the company that made the chips or whatever went out of business 
> or something so it is difficult to get the keys made. Sounds shady to me but 
> that’s their story
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 9:35 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This is ridiculous. This is a vehicle that was produced in mass quantity 
>> from 98-05 and you can’t get a damn key for it. Unbelievable. 
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] Crack or meth?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

That will buff right out, if you use the special buffing pad made only of
$100 bills.
Works every time looks like a couple thousand to replace the airbags
also... ouch...

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[MBZ] Crack or meth?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] Are ML keys still available?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Apparently the company that made the chips or whatever went out of business or 
something so it is difficult to get the keys made. Sounds shady to me but 
that’s their story

--FT
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> On Feb 11, 2021, at 9:35 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is ridiculous. This is a vehicle that was produced in mass quantity 
> from 98-05 and you can’t get a damn key for it. Unbelievable. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 7:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Jaime might have an update, but the last time I asked it was hit or miss. 
>> My dealer had a list of people that was literally 100+ names long waiting to 
>> get them at one time.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Feb 11, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Seems like they are intermittently available. Call a stealer. 
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Seems I have heard they are not. The ML was supposed to be going out to 
 Texas and it ended up not happening so I unloaded it before leaving 
 Saturday. I remember that did not take the key back into the house and I 
 seem to recall having having it with me. I can’t remember if I had it in 
 my pocket or put it in my bag. Long story short now I can’t find it. I am 
 hoping it didn’t fall out of my bag at one or the hotels I was out, fall 
 out of the truck somewhere at one of the stops made, or fell out of my 
 pocket. I am just not finding it anywhere. This could be a huge problem if 
 they are not available anymore. 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Are ML keys still available?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

This is ridiculous. This is a vehicle that was produced in mass quantity from 
98-05 and you can’t get a damn key for it. Unbelievable. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 7:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Jaime might have an update, but the last time I asked it was hit or miss. My 
> dealer had a list of people that was literally 100+ names long waiting to get 
> them at one time.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Seems like they are intermittently available. Call a stealer. 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Seems I have heard they are not. The ML was supposed to be going out to 
>>> Texas and it ended up not happening so I unloaded it before leaving 
>>> Saturday. I remember that did not take the key back into the house and I 
>>> seem to recall having having it with me. I can’t remember if I had it in my 
>>> pocket or put it in my bag. Long story short now I can’t find it. I am 
>>> hoping it didn’t fall out of my bag at one or the hotels I was out, fall 
>>> out of the truck somewhere at one of the stops made, or fell out of my 
>>> pocket. I am just not finding it anywhere. This could be a huge problem if 
>>> they are not available anymore. 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Are ML keys still available?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s the best way to communicate with them, I’ve found.

-D

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 8:53 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I tried calling the classic center twice the other day, no answer or callback 
> so I sent an email and got responses 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 8:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Any dealer will know. If they don’t, and I would find that unusual as this 
>> has been an ongoing issue for some time, just tell them to check the “PAC 
>> Key Chart” and they’ll be able to figure it out.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 8:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try the classic center. Tom Hansen will know.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 8:46 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> Jaime might have an update, but the last time I asked it was hit or miss. 
>>> My dealer had a list of people that was literally 100+ names long waiting 
>>> to get them at one time.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Feb 11, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
 
 Seems like they are intermittently available. Call a stealer. 
 
 --FT
 Sent from iPhone
 
> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> Seems I have heard they are not. The ML was supposed to be going out to 
> Texas and it ended up not happening so I unloaded it before leaving 
> Saturday. I remember that did not take the key back into the house and I 
> seem to recall having having it with me. I can’t remember if I had it in 
> my pocket or put it in my bag. Long story short now I can’t find it. I am 
> hoping it didn’t fall out of my bag at one or the hotels I was out, fall 
> out of the truck somewhere at one of the stops made, or fell out of my 
> pocket. I am just not finding it anywhere. This could be a huge problem 
> if they are not available anymore. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Are ML keys still available?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I tried calling the classic center twice the other day, no answer or callback 
so I sent an email and got responses 

--FT
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> On Feb 11, 2021, at 8:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Any dealer will know. If they don’t, and I would find that unusual as this 
> has been an ongoing issue for some time, just tell them to check the “PAC Key 
> Chart” and they’ll be able to figure it out.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 8:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
>> 
>> Try the classic center. Tom Hansen will know.
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 8:46 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes > > wrote:
>> Jaime might have an update, but the last time I asked it was hit or miss. My 
>> dealer had a list of people that was literally 100+ names long waiting to 
>> get them at one time.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Feb 11, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Seems like they are intermittently available. Call a stealer. 
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
 
 Seems I have heard they are not. The ML was supposed to be going out to 
 Texas and it ended up not happening so I unloaded it before leaving 
 Saturday. I remember that did not take the key back into the house and I 
 seem to recall having having it with me. I can’t remember if I had it in 
 my pocket or put it in my bag. Long story short now I can’t find it. I am 
 hoping it didn’t fall out of my bag at one or the hotels I was out, fall 
 out of the truck somewhere at one of the stops made, or fell out of my 
 pocket. I am just not finding it anywhere. This could be a huge problem if 
 they are not available anymore. 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Are ML keys still available?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Any dealer will know. If they don’t, and I would find that unusual as this has 
been an ongoing issue for some time, just tell them to check the “PAC Key 
Chart” and they’ll be able to figure it out.

-D

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 8:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Try the classic center. Tom Hansen will know.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 8:46 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > wrote:
> Jaime might have an update, but the last time I asked it was hit or miss. My 
> dealer had a list of people that was literally 100+ names long waiting to get 
> them at one time.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Feb 11, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Seems like they are intermittently available. Call a stealer. 
> > 
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> > 
> >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> >> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Seems I have heard they are not. The ML was supposed to be going out to 
> >> Texas and it ended up not happening so I unloaded it before leaving 
> >> Saturday. I remember that did not take the key back into the house and I 
> >> seem to recall having having it with me. I can’t remember if I had it in 
> >> my pocket or put it in my bag. Long story short now I can’t find it. I am 
> >> hoping it didn’t fall out of my bag at one or the hotels I was out, fall 
> >> out of the truck somewhere at one of the stops made, or fell out of my 
> >> pocket. I am just not finding it anywhere. This could be a huge problem if 
> >> they are not available anymore. 
> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] It has a phone 1997 Mercedes E320 - $2,495 (Charleston)

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yes that is apparently possible with the right gadget For music

--FT
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> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  I wonder if you could rig up bluetooth to make the car phone work as an 
> access point for your cell. It'd be pretty cool to have the car phone working.
> On the same vein it'd be cool if my old rotary phone could do the same. Have 
> it ring and everything. Way more ergonomic to talk on if one doesn't mind 
> being tethered.
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 4:10:00 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Nope. They’re analog, and none of the cellular nodes in service use analog 
> signals. It’s all digital.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Do any of these built-in phones even work with modern service providers 
>> anymore?
>> 
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> Did I mention it has a phone?
>>> 
>>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/d/charleston-1997-mercedes-e320/7276058283.html
>>> 
>>> Just so you know, it has a phone
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Re: [MBZ] Are ML keys still available?

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Try the classic center. Tom Hansen will know.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 8:46 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Jaime might have an update, but the last time I asked it was hit or miss.
> My dealer had a list of people that was literally 100+ names long waiting
> to get them at one time.
>
> -D
>
> > On Feb 11, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Seems like they are intermittently available. Call a stealer.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Seems I have heard they are not. The ML was supposed to be going out
> to Texas and it ended up not happening so I unloaded it before leaving
> Saturday. I remember that did not take the key back into the house and I
> seem to recall having having it with me. I can’t remember if I had it in my
> pocket or put it in my bag. Long story short now I can’t find it. I am
> hoping it didn’t fall out of my bag at one or the hotels I was out, fall
> out of the truck somewhere at one of the stops made, or fell out of my
> pocket. I am just not finding it anywhere. This could be a huge problem if
> they are not available anymore.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Are ML keys still available?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Jaime might have an update, but the last time I asked it was hit or miss. My 
dealer had a list of people that was literally 100+ names long waiting to get 
them at one time.

-D

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Seems like they are intermittently available. Call a stealer. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Seems I have heard they are not. The ML was supposed to be going out to 
>> Texas and it ended up not happening so I unloaded it before leaving 
>> Saturday. I remember that did not take the key back into the house and I 
>> seem to recall having having it with me. I can’t remember if I had it in my 
>> pocket or put it in my bag. Long story short now I can’t find it. I am 
>> hoping it didn’t fall out of my bag at one or the hotels I was out, fall out 
>> of the truck somewhere at one of the stops made, or fell out of my pocket. I 
>> am just not finding it anywhere. This could be a huge problem if they are 
>> not available anymore. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

If you're going to work on cars too, get one that can measure
DC current as well.  My Fluke can measure glow plug current,
starter current...

Costs more.

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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Made a trip to town to the local farm store, they of course were out of them. 
Drove to the nearest Lowe’s 30 minutes away and of course they were out as 
well. A different Lowe’s had them but I guess I will go there tomorrow. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> Actually it does have an insert, with a blower etc and it will throw out a 
> lot of heat. I just hate messing with it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> A fireplace is about the least efficient device imaginable, most of the heat 
>> of the fire shoots up the chimney. A small insert stove would dramatically 
>> increase the heat output. It'd be cleaner too since it would have a door 
>> that would be closed.
>> 
>> Wood is still a messy way to heat. I've had our wood stove lit pretty much 
>> every day this year. We've gone through probably twice as much wood as 
>> normal but its just because I've been home. At the same time we've burned 
>> maybe half as much oil as normal.
>> 
>> It gives me something to do and makes the basement a nice place to sit with 
>> a wobble pop and read.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:20:07 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I like heat pumps. If it comes down to it we also have a wood burning 
>> fireplace. I never use it though as I hate the hassle of messing with it. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > The heat strips are fine, it’s more an issue of a heat pump not producing 
>> > the “hot” air people are often accustomed to with gas forced air. They’re 
>> > not terribly efficient, either, but that’s the drawback of having a heat 
>> > pump.
>> > 
>> > I found it sort of weird with our Indiana house as it has a conventional 
>> > gas furnace, so the air that comes out the vents is HOT! That’s after 
>> > living in houses with heat pumps for years.
>> > 
>> > -D
>> > 
>> >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie into 
>> >> your heat pump system.  A friend has a heat pump and some sort of propane 
>> >> system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run the 
>> >> propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat strips.
>> >> 
>> >> --FT
>> >> 
>> >>> On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> >>> And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of 
>> >>> time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers 
>> >>> around and see what happens.
>> >>> 
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>> 
>>  On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>   wrote:
>>  
>>  I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see 
>>  if the problem follows the breaker.  I do not have a clamp on meter.
>>  
>>  I could also see if I can get into the air handler.
>>  
>> > On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> > I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. 
>> > Heat strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on 
>> > ammeter you can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then 
>> > you would know for sure.
>> > 
>> > Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing 
>> > amiss, like something across the heat strips.
>> > 
>> > -D
>> > 
>> >>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> >>>  wrote:
>> >> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. 
>> >>  One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the 
>> >> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it 
>> >> and its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not 
>> >> been that cold.  When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker 
>> >> was tripped again.  I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and 
>> >> the breaker was tripped again.  I reset it and just now checked it 
>> >> and temp is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time.  In 
>> >> other words, I need to get this addressed.  What could be the cause?  
>> >> Thought about swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak 
>> >> but what else could be the cause?  Is it likely something is shorting 
>> >> in the heat strips itself?  Not sure if I should investigate and 
>> >> resolve or just turn in a service request to the home warranty 
>> >> company.
>> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] Are ML keys still available?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Seems like they are intermittently available. Call a stealer. 

--FT
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> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Seems I have heard they are not. The ML was supposed to be going out to 
> Texas and it ended up not happening so I unloaded it before leaving Saturday. 
> I remember that did not take the key back into the house and I seem to recall 
> having having it with me. I can’t remember if I had it in my pocket or put it 
> in my bag. Long story short now I can’t find it. I am hoping it didn’t fall 
> out of my bag at one or the hotels I was out, fall out of the truck somewhere 
> at one of the stops made, or fell out of my pocket. I am just not finding it 
> anywhere. This could be a huge problem if they are not available anymore. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Made it back with the CD

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Keep us posted on CD progress.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E3204matic
Wickford RI

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 5:43 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Rolled back into Okie Acres a little while ago with the CD. After
> picking it up Sunday I worked in Lubbock for the next couple of days and
> left Wednesday morning.  Most of the time I was there the temps were in
> the 70's.  When we left of course there was freezing fog all the way
> thru west texas.  Temp never got over about 25 and on roads that are
> normally 80mpg we were averaging about 60-65, so it took quite a while
> longer.  We stopped at the half way point for the night and finished the
> trip today.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Made it back with the CD

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Its tough when ice hits a place that doesn't normally have it. People aren't 
prepared, nobody has snow tires, the municipality doesn't have equipment, 
people aren't smart enough to stay home...
Actually that last point is so often overlooked "I need 4 wheel drive, I have 
to go out!" No, no you don't. Muffins the cat will do just fine if you don't 
buy more tuna until tomorrow...

-Curt

On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:56:12 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Saw some news reports today of massive pileups on I35 in Texas due to ice.

Allan

Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes  writes:

> It can get bad out there in the winter
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Rolled back into Okie Acres a little while ago with the CD. After picking 
>> it up Sunday I worked in Lubbock for the next couple of days and left 
>> Wednesday morning.  Most of the time I was there the temps were in the 70's. 
>>  When we left of course there was freezing fog all the way thru west texas.  
>> Temp never got over about 25 and on roads that are normally 80mpg we were 
>> averaging about 60-65, so it took quite a while longer.  We stopped at the 
>> half way point for the night and finished the trip today.
>> 
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I had a wood stove I put in our old Victorian in Melrose. I put it in a corner 
in the kitchen in the back of the house and used the old cook stove chimney. It 
was a cheap knockoff if a Vermont Castings stove i got at the building 
materials surplus store for like $150. 

There was a back stairway and I had fans to blow heat up there so i could 
pretty much keep the upstairs warm that way. I’d stoke it before bed and it 
would burn most of the night. In The evenings we spent the time in the kitchen 
then upstairs so I could set the downstairs zone at 60F or so and that was 
fine. 

The house had forced hot water oil heat, I had put in a new boiler so that 
helped efficiency some but the house had minimal insulation, mostly old 
windows, and was big. I scrounged firewood from all over, the City guys would 
drop off wood from trees they cut down, so I always had plentiful oak and maple 
which of course I had to split but that was good exercise. 

My last winter there the oil bill was $500, the realtor couldn’t believe it. 
Oil was NOT cheap at the time so I thought that was quite good. I liked the 
wood heat too, warmed the bones. 

--FT 
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> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  A fireplace is about the least efficient device imaginable, most of the 
> heat of the fire shoots up the chimney. A small insert stove would 
> dramatically increase the heat output. It'd be cleaner too since it would 
> have a door that would be closed.
> Wood is still a messy way to heat. I've had our wood stove lit pretty much 
> every day this year. We've gone through probably twice as much wood as normal 
> but its just because I've been home. At the same time we've burned maybe half 
> as much oil as normal.
> It gives me something to do and makes the basement a nice place to sit with a 
> wobble pop and read.
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:20:07 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via 
> Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
> I like heat pumps. If it comes down to it we also have a wood burning 
> fireplace. I never use it though as I hate the hassle of messing with it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The heat strips are fine, it’s more an issue of a heat pump not producing 
>> the “hot” air people are often accustomed to with gas forced air. They’re 
>> not terribly efficient, either, but that’s the drawback of having a heat 
>> pump.
>> 
>> I found it sort of weird with our Indiana house as it has a conventional gas 
>> furnace, so the air that comes out the vents is HOT! That’s after living in 
>> houses with heat pumps for years.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie into 
>>> your heat pump system.  A friend has a heat pump and some sort of propane 
>>> system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run the 
>>> propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat strips.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of 
 time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers 
 around and see what happens.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if 
> the problem follows the breaker.  I do not have a clamp on meter.
> 
> I could also see if I can get into the air handler.
> 
>> On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat 
>> strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you 
>> can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know 
>> for sure.
>> 
>> Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing 
>> amiss, like something across the heat strips.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  
>>> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the 
>>> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and 
>>> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been 
>>> that cold.  When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was 
>>> tripped again.  I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the 
>>> breaker was tripped again.  I reset it and just now checked it and temp 
>>> is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time.  In other words, I 
>>> need to get this addressed.  What could be the cause?  Thought about 
>>> 

Re: [MBZ] Made it back with the CD

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Saw some news reports today of massive pileups on I35 in Texas due to ice.

Allan

Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes  writes:

> It can get bad out there in the winter
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Rolled back into Okie Acres a little while ago with the CD. After picking 
>> it up Sunday I worked in Lubbock for the next couple of days and left 
>> Wednesday morning.  Most of the time I was there the temps were in the 70's. 
>>  When we left of course there was freezing fog all the way thru west texas.  
>> Temp never got over about 25 and on roads that are normally 80mpg we were 
>> averaging about 60-65, so it took quite a while longer.  We stopped at the 
>> half way point for the night and finished the trip today.
>> 
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] Made it back with the CD

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Was talking about the new farm with my class today and noticed that for the 
next two nights its going to be colder here than 450 miles north. Single digits 
either way but a degree or two warmer in Caribou than Winchendon.
They've got way more snow than us though.
We visited my folks in southern Maine last weekend. Driving home Sunday we got 
caught in a storm as we drove rt 101 across New Hampshire. The Jetta did fine 
but as we made the pass between Mt Pack Monadnock and Temple Mountain there was 
a car ahead of us that was just all over the road. We never saw them but you 
could see the tracks sliding across two lanes. Fortunately there is a climbing 
lane so they never went on the other side of the road. 
The Jetta doesn't have snow tires, if I'd known it was going to snow we'd have 
taken the pickup. We went to a Stupor Bowl party that evening and used the 
truck, it handled the snow no issues but its got snow tires...

-Curt

On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:48:17 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 It can get bad out there in the winter

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Rolled back into Okie Acres a little while ago with the CD. After picking it 
> up Sunday I worked in Lubbock for the next couple of days and left Wednesday 
> morning.  Most of the time I was there the temps were in the 70's.  When we 
> left of course there was freezing fog all the way thru west texas.  Temp 
> never got over about 25 and on roads that are normally 80mpg we were 
> averaging about 60-65, so it took quite a while longer.  We stopped at the 
> half way point for the night and finished the trip today.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Actually it does have an insert, with a blower etc and it will throw out a lot 
of heat. I just hate messing with it. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> A fireplace is about the least efficient device imaginable, most of the heat 
> of the fire shoots up the chimney. A small insert stove would dramatically 
> increase the heat output. It'd be cleaner too since it would have a door that 
> would be closed.
> 
> Wood is still a messy way to heat. I've had our wood stove lit pretty much 
> every day this year. We've gone through probably twice as much wood as normal 
> but its just because I've been home. At the same time we've burned maybe half 
> as much oil as normal.
> 
> It gives me something to do and makes the basement a nice place to sit with a 
> wobble pop and read.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:20:07 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I like heat pumps. If it comes down to it we also have a wood burning 
> fireplace. I never use it though as I hate the hassle of messing with it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > The heat strips are fine, it’s more an issue of a heat pump not producing 
> > the “hot” air people are often accustomed to with gas forced air. They’re 
> > not terribly efficient, either, but that’s the drawback of having a heat 
> > pump.
> > 
> > I found it sort of weird with our Indiana house as it has a conventional 
> > gas furnace, so the air that comes out the vents is HOT! That’s after 
> > living in houses with heat pumps for years.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie into 
> >> your heat pump system.  A friend has a heat pump and some sort of propane 
> >> system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run the 
> >> propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat strips.
> >> 
> >> --FT
> >> 
> >>> On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of 
> >>> time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers 
> >>> around and see what happens.
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> 
>  On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>   wrote:
>  
>  I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if 
>  the problem follows the breaker.  I do not have a clamp on meter.
>  
>  I could also see if I can get into the air handler.
>  
> > On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. 
> > Heat strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on 
> > ammeter you can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you 
> > would know for sure.
> > 
> > Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing 
> > amiss, like something across the heat strips.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> >>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> >>>  wrote:
> >> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  
> >> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the 
> >> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and 
> >> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been 
> >> that cold.  When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was 
> >> tripped again.  I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the 
> >> breaker was tripped again.  I reset it and just now checked it and 
> >> temp is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time.  In other 
> >> words, I need to get this addressed.  What could be the cause?  
> >> Thought about swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but 
> >> what else could be the cause?  Is it likely something is shorting in 
> >> the heat strips itself?  Not sure if I should investigate and resolve 
> >> or just turn in a service request to the home warranty company.
> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] Made it back with the CD

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

It can get bad out there in the winter

--FT
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> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Rolled back into Okie Acres a little while ago with the CD. After picking it 
> up Sunday I worked in Lubbock for the next couple of days and left Wednesday 
> morning.  Most of the time I was there the temps were in the 70's.  When we 
> left of course there was freezing fog all the way thru west texas.  Temp 
> never got over about 25 and on roads that are normally 80mpg we were 
> averaging about 60-65, so it took quite a while longer.  We stopped at the 
> half way point for the night and finished the trip today.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I have this one: 
https://www.harborfreight.com/cm610a-600a-t-rms-acdc-clamp-meter-64015.htmlWicked
 handy, a million household uses. I bought it specifically to troubleshoot the 
glowplug on the ASV. It proved that it at least draws current. It also helped 
me find a bad connection in the solar array at camp. Its a good multimeter too.
-Curt

On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:23:42 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 If there's a Harbor Freight nearby pick up one of these.

https://www.harborfreight.com/cm200a-200a-fork-style-clamp-meter-64016.html

I saw a review on YouTube compare to a similar Fluke. Had slower
response time and build quality was not as robust, but was just as
accurate and thought to be a good deal for the casual user.

Allan

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> Think I should just replace it or swap positions first? I am afraid if it is 
> the breaker and I go thru the hassle of moving it now the problem will be 
> with the outside unit or something. There are 3 60 amp breakers and all 
> involve the heat pump. One is aux heat, one is outside unit and one is inside 
> unit. I think I will just head to town and get one real quick. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> New breaker would be my first try. They do get weak. If the problem
>> persists then diagnose further.
>> 
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  
>>> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the 
>>> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and 
>>> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been 
>>> that cold.  When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was 
>>> tripped again.  I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the 
>>> breaker was tripped again.  I reset it and just now checked it and temp 
>>> is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time.  In other words, I 
>>> need to get this addressed.  What could be the cause?  Thought about 
>>> swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could 
>>> be the cause?  Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips 
>>> itself?  Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a 
>>> service request to the home warranty company.
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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 A fireplace is about the least efficient device imaginable, most of the heat 
of the fire shoots up the chimney. A small insert stove would dramatically 
increase the heat output. It'd be cleaner too since it would have a door that 
would be closed.
Wood is still a messy way to heat. I've had our wood stove lit pretty much 
every day this year. We've gone through probably twice as much wood as normal 
but its just because I've been home. At the same time we've burned maybe half 
as much oil as normal.
It gives me something to do and makes the basement a nice place to sit with a 
wobble pop and read.

-Curt

On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:20:07 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I like heat pumps. If it comes down to it we also have a wood burning 
fireplace. I never use it though as I hate the hassle of messing with it. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The heat strips are fine, it’s more an issue of a heat pump not producing 
> the “hot” air people are often accustomed to with gas forced air. They’re not 
> terribly efficient, either, but that’s the drawback of having a heat pump.
> 
> I found it sort of weird with our Indiana house as it has a conventional gas 
> furnace, so the air that comes out the vents is HOT! That’s after living in 
> houses with heat pumps for years.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie into 
>> your heat pump system.  A friend has a heat pump and some sort of propane 
>> system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run the 
>> propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat strips.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of 
>>> time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers 
>>> around and see what happens.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if 
 the problem follows the breaker.  I do not have a clamp on meter.
 
 I could also see if I can get into the air handler.
 
> On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat 
> strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you 
> can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know 
> for sure.
> 
> Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing 
> amiss, like something across the heat strips.
> 
> -D
> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  
>> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the 
>> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and 
>> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been 
>> that cold.  When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was 
>> tripped again.  I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the 
>> breaker was tripped again.  I reset it and just now checked it and temp 
>> is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time.  In other words, I 
>> need to get this addressed.  What could be the cause?  Thought about 
>> swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could 
>> be the cause?  Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips 
>> itself?  Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a 
>> service request to the home warranty company.
>> 
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[MBZ] Are ML keys still available?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Seems I have heard they are not. The ML was supposed to be going out to Texas 
and it ended up not happening so I unloaded it before leaving Saturday. I 
remember that did not take the key back into the house and I seem to recall 
having having it with me. I can’t remember if I had it in my pocket or put it 
in my bag. Long story short now I can’t find it. I am hoping it didn’t fall out 
of my bag at one or the hotels I was out, fall out of the truck somewhere at 
one of the stops made, or fell out of my pocket. I am just not finding it 
anywhere. This could be a huge problem if they are not available anymore. 

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Re: [MBZ] It has a phone 1997 Mercedes E320 - $2,495 (Charleston)

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I wonder if you could rig up bluetooth to make the car phone work as an access 
point for your cell. It'd be pretty cool to have the car phone working.
On the same vein it'd be cool if my old rotary phone could do the same. Have it 
ring and everything. Way more ergonomic to talk on if one doesn't mind being 
tethered.
-Curt

On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 4:10:00 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Nope. They’re analog, and none of the cellular nodes in service use analog 
signals. It’s all digital.

-D

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do any of these built-in phones even work with modern service providers 
> anymore?
> 
> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Did I mention it has a phone?
>> 
>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/d/charleston-1997-mercedes-e320/7276058283.html
>> 
>> Just so you know, it has a phone
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Hmmm, ok?

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> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If there's a Harbor Freight nearby pick up one of these.
> 
> https://www.harborfreight.com/cm200a-200a-fork-style-clamp-meter-64016.html
> 
> I saw a review on YouTube compare to a similar Fluke. Had slower
> response time and build quality was not as robust, but was just as
> accurate and thought to be a good deal for the casual user.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Think I should just replace it or swap positions first? I am afraid if it is 
>> the breaker and I go thru the hassle of moving it now the problem will be 
>> with the outside unit or something. There are 3 60 amp breakers and all 
>> involve the heat pump. One is aux heat, one is outside unit and one is 
>> inside unit. I think I will just head to town and get one real quick. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> New breaker would be my first try. They do get weak. If the problem
>>> persists then diagnose further.
>>> 
>>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>>> 
 It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  
 One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the 
 breaker for the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and 
 its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been 
 that cold.  When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was 
 tripped again.  I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the 
 breaker was tripped again.  I reset it and just now checked it and temp 
 is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time.  In other words, I 
 need to get this addressed.  What could be the cause?  Thought about 
 swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could 
 be the cause?  Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips 
 itself?  Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a 
 service request to the home warranty company.
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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

If there's a Harbor Freight nearby pick up one of these.

https://www.harborfreight.com/cm200a-200a-fork-style-clamp-meter-64016.html

I saw a review on YouTube compare to a similar Fluke. Had slower
response time and build quality was not as robust, but was just as
accurate and thought to be a good deal for the casual user.

Allan

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> Think I should just replace it or swap positions first? I am afraid if it is 
> the breaker and I go thru the hassle of moving it now the problem will be 
> with the outside unit or something. There are 3 60 amp breakers and all 
> involve the heat pump. One is aux heat, one is outside unit and one is inside 
> unit. I think I will just head to town and get one real quick. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> New breaker would be my first try. They do get weak. If the problem
>> persists then diagnose further.
>> 
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  
>>> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the 
>>> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and 
>>> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been 
>>> that cold.  When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was 
>>> tripped again.  I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the 
>>> breaker was tripped again.  I reset it and just now checked it and temp 
>>> is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time.  In other words, I 
>>> need to get this addressed.  What could be the cause?  Thought about 
>>> swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could 
>>> be the cause?  Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips 
>>> itself?  Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a 
>>> service request to the home warranty company.
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody need a 4.5?

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Lol, not in a 1974 450SL, no.  Engine and transmission, no brain box.

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Re: [MBZ] Looks new and gorgeous 1994 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 420 Sedan 4D, $8, 000

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Buick was always the best built of the GM products.  Even in the 80's when 
everything GM made shed pieces sitting in the drive the Buicks weren't bad 
given their design.

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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I like heat pumps. If it comes down to it we also have a wood burning 
fireplace. I never use it though as I hate the hassle of messing with it. 

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> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The heat strips are fine, it’s more an issue of a heat pump not producing 
> the “hot” air people are often accustomed to with gas forced air. They’re not 
> terribly efficient, either, but that’s the drawback of having a heat pump.
> 
> I found it sort of weird with our Indiana house as it has a conventional gas 
> furnace, so the air that comes out the vents is HOT! That’s after living in 
> houses with heat pumps for years.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie into 
>> your heat pump system.  A friend has a heat pump and some sort of propane 
>> system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run the 
>> propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat strips.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of 
>>> time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers 
>>> around and see what happens.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if 
 the problem follows the breaker.  I do not have a clamp on meter.
 
 I could also see if I can get into the air handler.
 
> On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat 
> strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you 
> can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know 
> for sure.
> 
> Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing 
> amiss, like something across the heat strips.
> 
> -D
> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  
>> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the 
>> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and 
>> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been 
>> that cold.  When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was 
>> tripped again.  I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the 
>> breaker was tripped again.  I reset it and just now checked it and temp 
>> is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time.  In other words, I 
>> need to get this addressed.  What could be the cause?  Thought about 
>> swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could 
>> be the cause?  Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips 
>> itself?  Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a 
>> service request to the home warranty company.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

We hardly ever have to run the aux heat, except when real cold. It got up to 
temp and they turned off but wiki probably kick on occasion. 

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> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie into 
> your heat pump system.  A friend has a heat pump and some sort of propane 
> system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run the 
> propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat strips.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of 
>> time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers 
>> around and see what happens.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if 
>>> the problem follows the breaker.  I do not have a clamp on meter.
>>> 
>>> I could also see if I can get into the air handler.
>>> 
 On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat 
 strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you 
 can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know for 
 sure.
 
 Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing 
 amiss, like something across the heat strips.
 
 -D
 
>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  
> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the 
> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and 
> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been 
> that cold.  When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was 
> tripped again.  I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the 
> breaker was tripped again.  I reset it and just now checked it and temp 
> is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time.  In other words, I 
> need to get this addressed.  What could be the cause?  Thought about 
> swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could 
> be the cause?  Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips 
> itself?  Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a 
> service request to the home warranty company.
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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

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Think I should just replace it or swap positions first? I am afraid if it is 
the breaker and I go thru the hassle of moving it now the problem will be with 
the outside unit or something. There are 3 60 amp breakers and all involve the 
heat pump. One is aux heat, one is outside unit and one is inside unit. I think 
I will just head to town and get one real quick. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> New breaker would be my first try. They do get weak. If the problem
> persists then diagnose further.
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  
>> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the 
>> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and 
>> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been 
>> that cold.  When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was 
>> tripped again.  I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the 
>> breaker was tripped again.  I reset it and just now checked it and temp 
>> is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time.  In other words, I 
>> need to get this addressed.  What could be the cause?  Thought about 
>> swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could 
>> be the cause?  Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips 
>> itself?  Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a 
>> service request to the home warranty company.
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Does it have an sls pump?

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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The heat strips are fine, it’s more an issue of a heat pump not producing the 
“hot” air people are often accustomed to with gas forced air. They’re not 
terribly efficient, either, but that’s the drawback of having a heat pump.

I found it sort of weird with our Indiana house as it has a conventional gas 
furnace, so the air that comes out the vents is HOT! That’s after living in 
houses with heat pumps for years.

-D

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie into 
> your heat pump system.  A friend has a heat pump and some sort of propane 
> system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run the 
> propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat strips.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of 
>> time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers 
>> around and see what happens.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if 
>>> the problem follows the breaker.  I do not have a clamp on meter.
>>> 
>>> I could also see if I can get into the air handler.
>>> 
 On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat 
 strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you 
 can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know for 
 sure.
 
 Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing 
 amiss, like something across the heat strips.
 
 -D
 
>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  
> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the 
> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and 
> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been 
> that cold.  When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was 
> tripped again.  I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the 
> breaker was tripped again.  I reset it and just now checked it and temp 
> is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time.  In other words, I 
> need to get this addressed.  What could be the cause?  Thought about 
> swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could 
> be the cause?  Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips 
> itself?  Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a 
> service request to the home warranty company.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Looks new and gorgeous 1994 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 420 Sedan 4D, $8, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Dude you know the answer to that decision.  Just do what she wants and 
be done with it.  If it breaks send it to the stealer to fix.


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On 2/11/21 6:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I’m toying with the idea. Haven’t decided whether I’ll go that route for her or 
not.

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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

just put a bent piece of big wire in there until it warms up!

-_FT

On 2/11/21 6:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

New breaker would be my first try. They do get weak. If the problem
persists then diagnose further.

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:


It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.
One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the
breaker for the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and
its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been
that cold.  When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was
tripped again.  I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the
breaker was tripped again.  I reset it and just now checked it and temp
is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time.  In other words, I
need to get this addressed.  What could be the cause?  Thought about
swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could
be the cause?  Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips
itself?  Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a
service request to the home warranty company.

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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie 
into your heat pump system.  A friend has a heat pump and some sort of 
propane system in her house, she is always complaining about having to 
run the propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric 
heat strips.


--FT

On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of time 
it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers around and 
see what happens.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if the 
problem follows the breaker.  I do not have a clamp on meter.

I could also see if I can get into the air handler.


On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat strips 
don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you can use to 
check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know for sure.

Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing amiss, 
like something across the heat strips.

-D


On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  One 
thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the breaker for 
the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and its fine but the aux 
heat does not have to run much as it has not been that cold.  When we got back 
I had it set for 65 and the breaker was tripped again.  I set the temp back to 
68 and checked later and the breaker was tripped again.  I reset it and just 
now checked it and temp is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time.  In 
other words, I need to get this addressed.  What could be the cause?  Thought 
about swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could 
be the cause?  Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips itself?  
Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a service request 
to the home warranty company.


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Re: [MBZ] Looks new and gorgeous 1994 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 420 Sedan 4D, $8, 000

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Absolutely. But they’re pretty robust cars. I know of two people who have run 
Centurys over 300k - one of them is across the street from me right now. I 
can’t speak to the latest ones like a 2014 or later, but the 90s and 2000 
models have held up well.

The mom in law’s 2015 LaCrosse is a very nice car. Sort of a brick, very heavy 
and solid feeling. The research I’ve done has only come up with one issue that 
is concerning, but it it’s not one that has a significant frequency - the power 
steering is electrically driven and there have been failures.

I’m toying with the idea. Haven’t decided whether I’ll go that route for her or 
not.

-D

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Buick is definitely a geezer brand. I always thought the Century was
> named after the average age of its owners.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Chuckle if you wish, but there are a number of those geezermobiles around in 
>> many flavors, and I’m serious considering biting on one of them.
>> 
>> Mrs. Dan has decided she likes her Mom’s 2015 Buick LaCrosse. I’ve found a 
>> number of them around, all with less than 50k on the clock, one (geezer) 
>> owner, dealer maintained. It’s a $15k-$17k car in today’s market, but I 
>> located one in Sarasota that’s only $14k with 32k on the clock - what’s the 
>> catch?
>> 
>> It’s purple.
>> 
>> They’re pretty nice cars, but they’re full of nannies. Lots and lots of 
>> nannies. It’s unlikely that I could maintain it, too. Other than maybe basic 
>> stuff.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

New breaker would be my first try. They do get weak. If the problem
persists then diagnose further.

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  
> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the 
> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and 
> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been 
> that cold.  When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was 
> tripped again.  I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the 
> breaker was tripped again.  I reset it and just now checked it and temp 
> is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time.  In other words, I 
> need to get this addressed.  What could be the cause?  Thought about 
> swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could 
> be the cause?  Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips 
> itself?  Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a 
> service request to the home warranty company.

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Re: [MBZ] Looks new and gorgeous 1994 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 420 Sedan 4D, $8, 000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Buick is definitely a geezer brand. I always thought the Century was
named after the average age of its owners.

Allan

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Chuckle if you wish, but there are a number of those geezermobiles around in 
> many flavors, and I’m serious considering biting on one of them.
>
> Mrs. Dan has decided she likes her Mom’s 2015 Buick LaCrosse. I’ve found a 
> number of them around, all with less than 50k on the clock, one (geezer) 
> owner, dealer maintained. It’s a $15k-$17k car in today’s market, but I 
> located one in Sarasota that’s only $14k with 32k on the clock - what’s the 
> catch?
>
> It’s purple.
>
> They’re pretty nice cars, but they’re full of nannies. Lots and lots of 
> nannies. It’s unlikely that I could maintain it, too. Other than maybe basic 
> stuff.
>
> -D
>

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody need a 4.5?

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If you need an M117 I have a 1974 sitting in the garage that needs a home.

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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of time 
it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers around and 
see what happens. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if the 
> problem follows the breaker.  I do not have a clamp on meter.
> 
> I could also see if I can get into the air handler.
> 
>> On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat 
>> strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you can 
>> use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know for sure.
>> 
>> Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing 
>> amiss, like something across the heat strips.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  One 
>>> thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the breaker 
>>> for the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and its fine but 
>>> the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been that cold.  When 
>>> we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was tripped again.  I set 
>>> the temp back to 68 and checked later and the breaker was tripped again.  I 
>>> reset it and just now checked it and temp is now up to 68 and the breaker 
>>> tripped a 3rd time.  In other words, I need to get this addressed.  What 
>>> could be the cause?  Thought about swapping out the breaker in case it was 
>>> getting weak but what else could be the cause?  Is it likely something is 
>>> shorting in the heat strips itself?  Not sure if I should investigate and 
>>> resolve or just turn in a service request to the home warranty company.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if 
the problem follows the breaker.  I do not have a clamp on meter.


I could also see if I can get into the air handler.

On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat strips 
don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you can use to 
check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know for sure.

Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing amiss, 
like something across the heat strips.

-D


On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  One 
thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the breaker for 
the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and its fine but the aux 
heat does not have to run much as it has not been that cold.  When we got back 
I had it set for 65 and the breaker was tripped again.  I set the temp back to 
68 and checked later and the breaker was tripped again.  I reset it and just 
now checked it and temp is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time.  In 
other words, I need to get this addressed.  What could be the cause?  Thought 
about swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could 
be the cause?  Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips itself?  
Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a service request 
to the home warranty company.


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Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat strips 
don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you can use to 
check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know for sure.

Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing amiss, 
like something across the heat strips.

-D

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  One 
> thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the breaker for 
> the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and its fine but the 
> aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been that cold.  When we got 
> back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was tripped again.  I set the temp 
> back to 68 and checked later and the breaker was tripped again.  I reset it 
> and just now checked it and temp is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 
> 3rd time.  In other words, I need to get this addressed.  What could be the 
> cause?  Thought about swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak 
> but what else could be the cause?  Is it likely something is shorting in the 
> heat strips itself?  Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just 
> turn in a service request to the home warranty company.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Looks new and gorgeous 1994 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 420 Sedan 4D, $8, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That one looks *really* nice if you like a 124

--FT

On 2/11/21 5:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Chuckle if you wish, but there are a number of those geezermobiles around in 
many flavors, and I’m serious considering biting on one of them.

Mrs. Dan has decided she likes her Mom’s 2015 Buick LaCrosse. I’ve found a 
number of them around, all with less than 50k on the clock, one (geezer) owner, 
dealer maintained. It’s a $15k-$17k car in today’s market, but I located one in 
Sarasota that’s only $14k with 32k on the clock - what’s the catch?

It’s purple.

They’re pretty nice cars, but they’re full of nannies. Lots and lots of 
nannies. It’s unlikely that I could maintain it, too. Other than maybe basic 
stuff.

-D


On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

Florida geezermobile

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/442928130283822/?ref=search_code=undefined


   Seller's description

1994 E420 W124 (very, very rare V8) Mileage: 125k miles (4.7/yr) Details: Black on 
Palomino/Caramel (highly sought-after color combo). This extremely pristine E420 
has been garage-kept for all 27 of its years. Originally acquired by its first 
owner as his Florida vacation home car, it was kept in an environmentally 
controlled garage for the 24 years he owned it. Recent work performed: 
Professionally re-finished AMG monoblocks New lower control arm bushings New 
tie-rods New water pump New/replaced engine wire harness with non-biodegradable OEM 
(affected MB from ’92-95) New belt New fuel pump and fuel filters New power 
steering pump seals New cap & rotors Very fast Excellent condition!!!

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[MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  
One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the 
breaker for the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and 
its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been 
that cold.  When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was 
tripped again.  I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the 
breaker was tripped again.  I reset it and just now checked it and temp 
is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time.  In other words, I 
need to get this addressed.  What could be the cause?  Thought about 
swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could 
be the cause?  Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips 
itself?  Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a 
service request to the home warranty company.



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Re: [MBZ] Looks new and gorgeous 1994 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 420 Sedan 4D, $8, 000

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Chuckle if you wish, but there are a number of those geezermobiles around in 
many flavors, and I’m serious considering biting on one of them.

Mrs. Dan has decided she likes her Mom’s 2015 Buick LaCrosse. I’ve found a 
number of them around, all with less than 50k on the clock, one (geezer) owner, 
dealer maintained. It’s a $15k-$17k car in today’s market, but I located one in 
Sarasota that’s only $14k with 32k on the clock - what’s the catch?

It’s purple.

They’re pretty nice cars, but they’re full of nannies. Lots and lots of 
nannies. It’s unlikely that I could maintain it, too. Other than maybe basic 
stuff.

-D

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Florida geezermobile
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/442928130283822/?ref=search_code=undefined
> 
> 
>   Seller's description
> 
> 1994 E420 W124 (very, very rare V8) Mileage: 125k miles (4.7/yr) Details: 
> Black on Palomino/Caramel (highly sought-after color combo). This extremely 
> pristine E420 has been garage-kept for all 27 of its years. Originally 
> acquired by its first owner as his Florida vacation home car, it was kept in 
> an environmentally controlled garage for the 24 years he owned it. Recent 
> work performed: Professionally re-finished AMG monoblocks New lower control 
> arm bushings New tie-rods New water pump New/replaced engine wire harness 
> with non-biodegradable OEM (affected MB from ’92-95) New belt New fuel pump 
> and fuel filters New power steering pump seals New cap & rotors Very fast 
> Excellent condition!!!
> 
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[MBZ] Made it back with the CD

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Rolled back into Okie Acres a little while ago with the CD. After 
picking it up Sunday I worked in Lubbock for the next couple of days and 
left Wednesday morning.  Most of the time I was there the temps were in 
the 70's.  When we left of course there was freezing fog all the way 
thru west texas.  Temp never got over about 25 and on roads that are 
normally 80mpg we were averaging about 60-65, so it took quite a while 
longer.  We stopped at the half way point for the night and finished the 
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody need a 4.5?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

No but I could use a .45

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] Hey Max here's your tow vehicle 2000 Mercedes-Benz M-Class ML 430 Sport Utility 4D, $2, 600

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Looks like it checks all the boxes!

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] Looks new and gorgeous 1994 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 420 Sedan 4D, $8, 000

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Like a new car.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 4:28 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Florida geezermobile
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/442928130283822/?ref=search_code=undefined
>
>
> Seller's description
>
> 1994 E420 W124 (very, very rare V8) Mileage: 125k miles (4.7/yr)
> Details: Black on Palomino/Caramel (highly sought-after color combo).
> This extremely pristine E420 has been garage-kept for all 27 of its
> years. Originally acquired by its first owner as his Florida vacation
> home car, it was kept in an environmentally controlled garage for the 24
> years he owned it. Recent work performed: Professionally re-finished AMG
> monoblocks New lower control arm bushings New tie-rods New water pump
> New/replaced engine wire harness with non-biodegradable OEM (affected MB
> from ’92-95) New belt New fuel pump and fuel filters New power steering
> pump seals New cap & rotors Very fast Excellent condition!!!
>
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Re: [MBZ] do not message me over and over again if I don’t respond 1977 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D,$1,000

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Has all the markings of a really nice swiss cheese.

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Re: [MBZ] IT IS WHAT [BAD] DREAMS ARE MADE OF 1970 Mercedes-Benz 250C-Class, $1, 800

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Never seen a 2500 in the US with a manual transmission.

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> Rustbucket with stick
>
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[MBZ] 1986 Mercedes-Benz 420,$7,850

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Kinda high but does look really nice

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3763008103783458/?ref=search_code=undefined

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Re: [MBZ] Car Maintenance Log App

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I suspected that. Engineers are data (numbers) driven and meticulous. Not bad 
traits :)

If you would like to create a data stripped version, that would be great, but 
no hurry.

Thanks,


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: February 11, 2021 3:04 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car Maintenance Log App

Yes I am. BSME 1977 from Ohio Northern University. Worked large machine tool
industry throughout my career. Most of my time was spent with Cincinnati
Milacron. Finally retired in in 2020.

I could create a stripped version of the excell file if needed, might take a
day or two?

Bob Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio


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[MBZ] Looks new and gorgeous 1994 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 420 Sedan 4D, $8, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Florida geezermobile

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/442928130283822/?ref=search_code=undefined


   Seller's description

1994 E420 W124 (very, very rare V8) Mileage: 125k miles (4.7/yr) 
Details: Black on Palomino/Caramel (highly sought-after color combo). 
This extremely pristine E420 has been garage-kept for all 27 of its 
years. Originally acquired by its first owner as his Florida vacation 
home car, it was kept in an environmentally controlled garage for the 24 
years he owned it. Recent work performed: Professionally re-finished AMG 
monoblocks New lower control arm bushings New tie-rods New water pump 
New/replaced engine wire harness with non-biodegradable OEM (affected MB 
from ’92-95) New belt New fuel pump and fuel filters New power steering 
pump seals New cap & rotors Very fast Excellent condition!!!


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Re: [MBZ] it tuned off at a red light 1998 Mercedes-Benz M-Class ML 320 Sport Utility 4D, $1, 000

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Crank sensor or cam sensor?



Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] it tuned off at a red light 1998 Mercedes-Benz M-Class ML 320 
Sport Utility 4D, $1, 000


Seller's description

It runs but needs work. I was driving it yesterday after not driving it
for a month and it tuned off at a red light. I got it to start and
parked it. If you want to put work into it buy it, if you don’t, get
something else. Ac works great, tires are new. I’ll miss it to be honest
but I don’t have time for it
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1728907573953338/?ref=search_code=undefined


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[MBZ] do not message me over and over again if I don’t respond 1977 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D,$1,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2953347484942781/?ref=search_code=undefined

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[MBZ] it tuned off at a red light 1998 Mercedes-Benz M-Class ML 320 Sport Utility 4D, $1, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

   Seller's description

It runs but needs work. I was driving it yesterday after not driving it 
for a month and it tuned off at a red light. I got it to start and 
parked it. If you want to put work into it buy it, if you don’t, get 
something else. Ac works great, tires are new. I’ll miss it to be honest 
but I don’t have time for it
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1728907573953338/?ref=search_code=undefined 



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Re: [MBZ] It has a phone 1997 Mercedes E320 - $2,495 (Charleston)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nope. They’re analog, and none of the cellular nodes in service use analog 
signals. It’s all digital.

-D

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do any of these built-in phones even work with modern service providers 
> anymore?
> 
> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Did I mention it has a phone?
>> 
>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/d/charleston-1997-mercedes-e320/7276058283.html
>> 
>> Just so you know, it has a phone
>> 
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[MBZ] IT IS WHAT [BAD] DREAMS ARE MADE OF 1970 Mercedes-Benz 250C-Class, $1, 800

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Rustbucket with stick

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3986538631379148/?ref=search_code=undefined

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Re: [MBZ] Car Maintenance Log App

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

Yes I am. BSME 1977 from Ohio Northern University. Worked large machine tool 
industry throughout my career. Most of my time was spent with Cincinnati 
Milacron. Finally retired in in 2020.


I could create a stripped version of the excell file if needed, might take a 
day or two?


Bob Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 3:18 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Rick Knoble
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car Maintenance Log App

That is sweet. I can make one, put it on Dropbox, Google drive, or Microsoft 
cloud, and Bob's my uncle, no pun intended. BTW, are you an engineer?


Thank you!

Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car Maintenance Log App

I use an excell sheet to track my fuel and maintenance for each car I drive.
I have extra columns for keeping track of when I need to do several of the
regular maintenances as oil change  and fuel and oil filters. I also track
miles per gallon trend total gallons used along total fuel purchases. See
attached graphics screen capture.

Regards,

B Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 2:14 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car Maintenance Log App

I use the written log book method.
Short of a car fire, it is always available and in the car.
I find the bound composition books [dollar store has them for a buck] works
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody need a 4.5?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

560SEC has SLS

--FT

On 2/11/21 3:57 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Only the 560 SEL had SLS standard.  The 300/420 SEL did not.
The SDL did not.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] It has a phone 1997 Mercedes E320 - $2,495 (Charleston)

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Do any of these built-in phones even work with modern service providers anymore?

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> Did I mention it has a phone?
>
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/d/charleston-1997-mercedes-e320/7276058283.html
>
> Just so you know, it has a phone
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[MBZ] it does not have cadalic converter 1998 Mercedes-Benz E-Class, $799 (E320 wagon)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

   It does not ride like a Benz even without the cadalic converter


   
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This car has a strong motor and transmission and rides like a Cadillac, 
however at the moment needs a battery, an alignment, 4 tires, and it 
does not have cadalic converter. It also has some minor cosmetic issues 
like small dents/scratches and needs headlight replaced. Selling as 
is.799.00 or best offer with cash only in hand


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Re: [MBZ] Anybody need a 4.5?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Only the 560 SEL had SLS standard.  The 300/420 SEL did not.
The SDL did not.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] Hey Max here's your tow vehicle 2000 Mercedes-Benz M-Class ML 430 Sport Utility 4D, $2, 600

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2133153126815179/?ref=search_code=undefined

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Re: [MBZ] how do you jack up your car in your garage?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Yeah it is just that the diff mounts are not engineered for that much load,
> so the rubber gets smashed.

The habit comes from solid-axle vehicles, where the pumpkin and axles are all
one heavy-duty piece.

But I do it on MB's too.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Anybody need a 4.5?

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Do all the sec and sel cars have sls or was it an option?

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> The driveshaft will be shorter in the SEC but everything else should be
> the same
>
> --FT
>
> On 2/11/21 1:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > Is the SEC powertrain different from that of an SEL? I thought they were
> > the same.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 10:26 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> No but I could use a powertrain from a 560sec if anyone has one sitting
> >> around.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 8:04 AM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Be amusing to see the "Engine Power" guys tackle one of these...  ;-)
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:12 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
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[MBZ] It has a phone 1997 Mercedes E320 - $2,495 (Charleston)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Did I mention it has a phone?

https://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/d/charleston-1997-mercedes-e320/7276058283.html

Just so you know, it has a phone

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Re: [MBZ] 2011 ML 350 blown engine - $4,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

good luck to him.  If you had a line on another engine for cheap it 
might be worth $1500 or $2k


--FT

On 2/11/21 2:56 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/plainfield-2011-mercedes-ml-350-diesel/7275885025.html

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody need a 4.5?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The driveshaft will be shorter in the SEC but everything else should be 
the same


--FT

On 2/11/21 1:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Is the SEC powertrain different from that of an SEL? I thought they were
the same.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 10:26 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


No but I could use a powertrain from a 560sec if anyone has one sitting
around.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 8:04 AM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Be amusing to see the "Engine Power" guys tackle one of these...  ;-)

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:12 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/825713138234021/


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Re: [MBZ] how do you jack up your car in your garage?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah it is just that the diff mounts are not engineered for that much load,
so the rubber gets smashed.

I put a 2x6 about 18" long on the floor jack pad, then put that under the
car Jack point pad, running fore and aft. Jack it up.  Stack lumber under
both ends of the 2x6. Remove jack. Reverse order to let it down.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 12:27 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
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> I always consider where the jack stands are going to go when deciding where
> to jack it. Since the MB diff is mounted to the chassis, I never worried
> about using it.
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 2:11 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Interesting that everyone appears to favour jacking under the diff etc.
> > Not sure about old MB but so many carmakers tell you not to do that.
> >
> > With my old car, I have tried to stick with jacking using the tubular
> > jack points in the rocker panels. Fortunately, I have not had to jack it
> > up often but I have never really been sure where else it might be
> > considered safe to use the jack. My car is solid so I can jack with the
> > floor jack under the lift points if I want, but I wondered if that was a
> > good idea too which is why I started thinking about making a means of
> > lifting from the lift points with a floor jack rather than from under
> them.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] how do you jack up your car in your garage?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I always consider where the jack stands are going to go when deciding where
to jack it. Since the MB diff is mounted to the chassis, I never worried
about using it.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 2:11 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Interesting that everyone appears to favour jacking under the diff etc.
> Not sure about old MB but so many carmakers tell you not to do that.
>
> With my old car, I have tried to stick with jacking using the tubular
> jack points in the rocker panels. Fortunately, I have not had to jack it
> up often but I have never really been sure where else it might be
> considered safe to use the jack. My car is solid so I can jack with the
> floor jack under the lift points if I want, but I wondered if that was a
> good idea too which is why I started thinking about making a means of
> lifting from the lift points with a floor jack rather than from under them.
>
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] 1986 420 SEL - $5,000. Or is it $9,000?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Indeed.   I don't mind either but taken together they are a real downer.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 2:54 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> Grey/grey snoozer for Andrew.
>
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-1986-mercedes-420-sel/7275916306.html
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Re: [MBZ] Car Maintenance Log App

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

That is sweet. I can make one, put it on Dropbox, Google drive, or Microsoft 
cloud, and Bob's my uncle, no pun intended. BTW, are you an engineer?

Thank you!

Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car Maintenance Log App

I use an excell sheet to track my fuel and maintenance for each car I drive.
I have extra columns for keeping track of when I need to do several of the
regular maintenances as oil change  and fuel and oil filters. I also track
miles per gallon trend total gallons used along total fuel purchases. See
attached graphics screen capture.

Regards,

B Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio

-Original Message-
From: G Mann via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 2:14 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: G Mann
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car Maintenance Log App

I use the written log book method.
Short of a car fire, it is always available and in the car.
I find the bound composition books [dollar store has them for a buck] works
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Re: [MBZ] how do you jack up your car in your garage?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Interesting that everyone appears to favour jacking under the diff etc. 
Not sure about old MB but so many carmakers tell you not to do that.


With my old car, I have tried to stick with jacking using the tubular 
jack points in the rocker panels. Fortunately, I have not had to jack it 
up often but I have never really been sure where else it might be 
considered safe to use the jack. My car is solid so I can jack with the 
floor jack under the lift points if I want, but I wondered if that was a 
good idea too which is why I started thinking about making a means of 
lifting from the lift points with a floor jack rather than from under them.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] how do you jack up your car in your garage?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

In the garage I use a floor jack under a solid suspension or frame
component. I don't lift on the rocker panels even at the jack points.

Fortunately never need to jack up the car on the road.

Allan

Randy Bennell via Mercedes  writes:

> Do you use the factory jack from the trunk, or do you use a floor jack 
> and just jack under the jacking point holes in the rocker panels?
>
> I have been wondering about making a small hydraulic floor jack into a 
> jack for the purpose by welding a bolt or other round metal pin onto the 
> top of the jack cradle.
>
> I think the pin might need to be able to tilt a bit as the jack lifted 
> the car but apart from that, it should be easy enough to do.
>
> Opinions?
>
> Randy
>

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[MBZ] 2011 ML 350 blown engine - $4,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/plainfield-2011-mercedes-ml-350-diesel/7275885025.html

Allan

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[MBZ] 1986 420 SEL - $5,000. Or is it $9,000?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Grey/grey snoozer for Andrew.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-1986-mercedes-420-sel/7275916306.html

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] 1929 gazelle kit car. Needs work. Incapable to do so.. make ofer

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Combine it with that V-8 K'leb was talking about earlier, and you have
something.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 12:15 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
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> It might take some cutting and welding, but anything can fit 
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:45 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Would a 606 fit?
> >
> >
> >
> https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksonville-1929-kitcar/7275622992.html
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Re: [MBZ] Trunk badge 400E? 1988 Mercedes Benz E-300 German Luxury Sedan $2200 - $2, 200 (Brunswick)

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah that could have been nice. Afaik the 400e all had recaro buckets in
back.

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> I called the guy, he didn't know what the deal was with it, figured the
> PO had put it on there, posing.  It looks pretty nice, if it was a 400E
> I was ready to send him the money and go get it
>
> --FT
>
> On 2/11/21 11:30 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Doesnt look like a 400e back seat. Maybe they only went to the rear
> buckets
> > for gen 2. Twin rear tailpipe not sure if that was on the 6cyl or not.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 7:41 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> https://brunswick.craigslist.org/cto/d/brunswick-1988-mercedes-benz-300-german/7275735731.html
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] how do you jack up your car in your garage?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Floor jack under either the differential, or the front subframe. The factory 
jack points on the cars I've had were so compromised they'd never support the 
car...
I've got a Harbor Freight floor jack (not a trolley jack, those are not as 
good) and its excellent. I don't ever want to go back to life without a real 
floor jack.

-Curt

On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 12:08:34 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Do you use the factory jack from the trunk, or do you use a floor jack 
and just jack under the jacking point holes in the rocker panels?

I have been wondering about making a small hydraulic floor jack into a 
jack for the purpose by welding a bolt or other round metal pin onto the 
top of the jack cradle.

I think the pin might need to be able to tilt a bit as the jack lifted 
the car but apart from that, it should be easy enough to do.

Opinions?

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Extra 0 at the end of the price? Or just crack?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Are they 14 inch or 15 inch?
-
Max
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] Nice looking '90 300TE on BAT

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm sitting on a nice chunk of change I guess, with my '95 E320 wagon.  I
think mine has a few more miles though.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Is attracting some serious interest.  Bidding could easily rise into the
> teens.
>
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-mercedes-benz-300te-8/?utm_source=dm_medium=email_campaign=2021-02-11
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Re: [MBZ] Car Maintenance Log App

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

Yes, I do not live far from there. Do not visit very often, but have been 
there. It is only about 6 miles form my house. Originally lived in 
Wilmington and move to my current address about 13 years ago. Love it out in 
the country!


Regards,

Bob Massmann
Oregonia, Oh

-Original Message- 
From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 12:53 PM
To: Okie Benz
Cc: Dan Penoff
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car Maintenance Log App

You’re not far from Fort Ancient, a park that we visited regularly when I 
was a child. Lots of good memories there.


-D

On Feb 11, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
 wrote:


I use an excell sheet to track my fuel and maintenance for each car I 
drive. I have extra columns for keeping track of when I need to do several 
of the regular maintenances as oil change  and fuel and oil filters. I 
also track miles per gallon trend total gallons used along total fuel 
purchases. See attached graphics screen capture.


Regards,

B Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio



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Re: [MBZ] how do you jack up your car in your garage?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Same here, but almost always under the diff or under the front cross piece,
so I get the entire axle off the ground.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 12:42 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I use a floor jack either under the diff or engine cross frame or jack
> points depending on what I’m doing
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Feb 11, 2021, at 12:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Do you use the factory jack from the trunk, or do you use a floor jack
> and just jack under the jacking point holes in the rocker panels?
> >
> > I have been wondering about making a small hydraulic floor jack into a
> jack for the purpose by welding a bolt or other round metal pin onto the
> top of the jack cradle.
> >
> > I think the pin might need to be able to tilt a bit as the jack lifted
> the car but apart from that, it should be easy enough to do.
> >
> > Opinions?
> >
> > Randy
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Re: [MBZ] how do you jack up your car in your garage?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Floor jack.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 11:55 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Floor jack
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Feb 11, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I use a floor jack either under the diff or engine cross frame or jack
> points depending on what I’m doing
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 12:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Do you use the factory jack from the trunk, or do you use a floor jack
> and just jack under the jacking point holes in the rocker panels?
> >>
> >> I have been wondering about making a small hydraulic floor jack into a
> jack for the purpose by welding a bolt or other round metal pin onto the
> top of the jack cradle.
> >>
> >> I think the pin might need to be able to tilt a bit as the jack lifted
> the car but apart from that, it should be easy enough to do.
> >>
> >> Opinions?
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody need a 4.5?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Is the SEC powertrain different from that of an SEL? I thought they were
the same.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 10:26 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No but I could use a powertrain from a 560sec if anyone has one sitting
> around.
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 8:04 AM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
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> > Be amusing to see the "Engine Power" guys tackle one of these...  ;-)
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[MBZ] Nice looking '90 300TE on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Is attracting some serious interest.  Bidding could easily rise into the
teens.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-mercedes-benz-300te-8/?utm_source=dm_medium=email_campaign=2021-02-11
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Re: [MBZ] Trunk badge 400E? 1988 Mercedes Benz E-300 German Luxury Sedan $2200 - $2, 200 (Brunswick)

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Post has been deleted.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 11:41 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> I called the guy, he didn't know what the deal was with it, figured the
> PO had put it on there, posing.  It looks pretty nice, if it was a 400E
> I was ready to send him the money and go get it
>
> --FT
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> On 2/11/21 11:30 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Doesnt look like a 400e back seat. Maybe they only went to the rear
> buckets
> > for gen 2. Twin rear tailpipe not sure if that was on the 6cyl or not.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 7:41 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> https://brunswick.craigslist.org/cto/d/brunswick-1988-mercedes-benz-300-german/7275735731.html
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Re: [MBZ] 2003 S 55 AMG Mercedes 493 HP Supercharged - $8, 000 (Wilmington)

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Not worried just curious.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 11:34 AM Karl Wittnebel 
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> If you are worried about that cost, the car is not for you. That is the
> least expensive thing you will be fixing.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 10:23 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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>> What's it cost to replace them?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 1:06 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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>> > Typical of these plastic covers
>> >
>> > --FT
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>> > On 2/10/21 12:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> > > What causes the headlights to fog up like that?
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:09 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>> > > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://wilmington.craigslist.org/cto/d/wilmington-2003-55-amg-mercedes-493-hp/7275231956.html
>> > > <
>> >
>> https://wilmington.craigslist.org/cto/d/wilmington-2003-55-amg-mercedes-493-hp/7275231956.html
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Re: [MBZ] 1929 gazelle kit car. Needs work. Incapable to do so.. make ofer

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It might take some cutting and welding, but anything can fit 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:45 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Would a 606 fit?
>
>
> https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksonville-1929-kitcar/7275622992.html
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Trade for what??

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> "Never Used"
>
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> On 2/11/21 10:11 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] how do you jack up your car in your garage?

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Floor jack

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> On Feb 11, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> I use a floor jack either under the diff or engine cross frame or jack 
> points depending on what I’m doing
> 
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>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 12:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Do you use the factory jack from the trunk, or do you use a floor jack and 
>> just jack under the jacking point holes in the rocker panels?
>> 
>> I have been wondering about making a small hydraulic floor jack into a jack 
>> for the purpose by welding a bolt or other round metal pin onto the top of 
>> the jack cradle.
>> 
>> I think the pin might need to be able to tilt a bit as the jack lifted the 
>> car but apart from that, it should be easy enough to do.
>> 
>> Opinions?
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody need a 4.5?

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> No but I could use a powertrain from a 560sec if anyone has one sitting
> around.

I have a sideswipted 1990 560SEL that needs to go...

-- Jim


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