Re: [MBZ] w126 front suspension bushings

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I bought such a kit from FCP several years ago but they seem to have fewer
and fewer 126 parts these days (at least on the web site).  My kit seemed to
have all good quality European rubber, as I recall.  Couldn't hurt to call
them.

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From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 8:05 PM
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Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
Subject: [MBZ] w126 front suspension bushings

Does anyone know of a kit with all the front suspension rubber bits on a
w126? I replaced the control rod bushings on the body side, but the caster
is still way out, so it needs control arm rubber and the rubber on the front
end of the guide rod, and the big subframe rubber bushings. I am thinking of
replacing the rear control arms while I am at it. I did the front ball
joints and shocks already, so no need to get them.

Maybe fcp?

Thanks

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 3:50 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Basically what the story is she was driving in the left and dude with 
> trailer was in right lane.  He allegedly swerved into her lane while 
> passing on the right and his trailer caught the bumper.  The other 
> dude claims SWMBO swerved into his lane.  Cop arrives but this is 
> basically a he said she said deal.  Supposedly guy later admitted in 
> front of cop that he did in fact come over on her side and it was his 
> fault.  Cop asks if they want a police report and citations issues, or 
> if they want to let insurance handle it.  Wife opts for no report.  I 
> let wife know as soon as she contacts their insurance, there guy will 
> say it was her fault.  That is exactly what happened.  I guess SWMBO 
> is screwed.  Not sure how she will prove fault without a police 
> report.  IMO if he really admitted fault in front of cop, cop would 
> put that on report, if their was one.  I let SWMBO know you ALWAYS 
> demand a report when it is the other guys fault.  She says it was my 
> fault because she called me to ask and I did not answer.  I did not 
> answer because I was in meetings trying to work.
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Re: [MBZ] w126 front suspension bushings

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I will get quotes from fcp, BH mercedes and Tom H.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 5:13 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That would be the first place I would check, however, with suppliers like
> Lemförder making fewer and fewer of these parts I'm wondering if they're
> all still available enough to make up a kit?
>
> Keep us posted.
>
> -D
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Karl
> Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 8:04 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
> Subject: [MBZ] w126 front suspension bushings
>
> Does anyone know of a kit with all the front suspension rubber bits on a
> w126? I replaced the control rod bushings on the body side, but the caster
> is still way out, so it needs control arm rubber and the rubber on the
> front end of the guide rod, and the big subframe rubber bushings. I am
> thinking of replacing the rear control arms while I am at it. I did the
> front ball joints and shocks already, so no need to get them.
>
> Maybe fcp?
>
> Thanks
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 3:50 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Basically what the story is she was driving in the left and dude with
> > trailer was in right lane.  He allegedly swerved into her lane while
> > passing on the right and his trailer caught the bumper.  The other dude
> > claims SWMBO swerved into his lane.  Cop arrives but this is basically a
> > he said she said deal.  Supposedly guy later admitted in front of cop
> > that he did in fact come over on her side and it was his fault.  Cop
> > asks if they want a police report and citations issues, or if they want
> > to let insurance handle it.  Wife opts for no report.  I let wife know
> > as soon as she contacts their insurance, there guy will say it was her
> > fault.  That is exactly what happened.  I guess SWMBO is screwed.  Not
> > sure how she will prove fault without a police report.  IMO if he really
> > admitted fault in front of cop, cop would put that on report, if their
> > was one.  I let SWMBO know you ALWAYS demand a report when it is the
> > other guys fault.  She says it was my fault because she called me to ask
> > and I did not answer.  I did not answer because I was in meetings trying
> > to work.
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[MBZ] I Don’t Remember Seeing This

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/d/los-angeles-mercedes-300-turbo-diesel/7448140332.html

Seems strange. 

AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] w126 front suspension bushings

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Rusty did the same for me.

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> On Mar 1, 2022, at 9:50 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did my 126 a few years ago and I think I told Jabba what I was gonna do 
> and he just sent the whole deal. Maybe FCP or one of the others could do that
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 8:05 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone know of a kit with all the front suspension rubber bits on a
>> w126? I replaced the control rod bushings on the body side, but the caster
>> is still way out, so it needs control arm rubber and the rubber on the
>> front end of the guide rod, and the big subframe rubber bushings. I am
>> thinking of replacing the rear control arms while I am at it. I did the
>> front ball joints and shocks already, so no need to get them.
>> 
>> Maybe fcp?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 3:50 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Basically what the story is she was driving in the left and dude with
>>> trailer was in right lane.  He allegedly swerved into her lane while
>>> passing on the right and his trailer caught the bumper.  The other dude
>>> claims SWMBO swerved into his lane.  Cop arrives but this is basically a
>>> he said she said deal.  Supposedly guy later admitted in front of cop
>>> that he did in fact come over on her side and it was his fault.  Cop
>>> asks if they want a police report and citations issues, or if they want
>>> to let insurance handle it.  Wife opts for no report.  I let wife know
>>> as soon as she contacts their insurance, there guy will say it was her
>>> fault.  That is exactly what happened.  I guess SWMBO is screwed.  Not
>>> sure how she will prove fault without a police report.  IMO if he really
>>> admitted fault in front of cop, cop would put that on report, if their
>>> was one.  I let SWMBO know you ALWAYS demand a report when it is the
>>> other guys fault.  She says it was my fault because she called me to ask
>>> and I did not answer.  I did not answer because I was in meetings trying
>>> to work.
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Re: [MBZ] w126 front suspension bushings

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I did my 126 a few years ago and I think I told Jabba what I was gonna do and 
he just sent the whole deal. Maybe FCP or one of the others could do that

--FT
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> On Mar 1, 2022, at 8:05 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know of a kit with all the front suspension rubber bits on a
> w126? I replaced the control rod bushings on the body side, but the caster
> is still way out, so it needs control arm rubber and the rubber on the
> front end of the guide rod, and the big subframe rubber bushings. I am
> thinking of replacing the rear control arms while I am at it. I did the
> front ball joints and shocks already, so no need to get them.
> 
> Maybe fcp?
> 
> Thanks
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 3:50 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Basically what the story is she was driving in the left and dude with
>> trailer was in right lane.  He allegedly swerved into her lane while
>> passing on the right and his trailer caught the bumper.  The other dude
>> claims SWMBO swerved into his lane.  Cop arrives but this is basically a
>> he said she said deal.  Supposedly guy later admitted in front of cop
>> that he did in fact come over on her side and it was his fault.  Cop
>> asks if they want a police report and citations issues, or if they want
>> to let insurance handle it.  Wife opts for no report.  I let wife know
>> as soon as she contacts their insurance, there guy will say it was her
>> fault.  That is exactly what happened.  I guess SWMBO is screwed.  Not
>> sure how she will prove fault without a police report.  IMO if he really
>> admitted fault in front of cop, cop would put that on report, if their
>> was one.  I let SWMBO know you ALWAYS demand a report when it is the
>> other guys fault.  She says it was my fault because she called me to ask
>> and I did not answer.  I did not answer because I was in meetings trying
>> to work.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cargo ship descends to Davy's Locker

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Why not?

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 9:08 PM Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

> Well EVs are not.
>
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> On Mar 1, 2022, at 7:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I read that solid state batteries are the next Big Thing.
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 4:43 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Mostly EVs on the ship? Good riddance.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Mar 1, 2022, at 4:13 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > You buy insurance for your goods when you ship. The shipping company
>> is not
>> > responsible for losses incurred.
>> >
>> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 10:23 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> How does the insurance work in situations like this? I would guess
>> there
>> >> are multiple parties involved, at least: the cargo ship owners, the
>> >> shipping company that the ship is leased or contracted with, and the
>> many
>> >> different owners of the goods being transported.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 1:13 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
>> >>> was on its way to a port about 5 miles from where I live.  car import
>> >>> terminal. fortunately no vintage Benzes.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 12:37 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> 
>> 
>> >>
>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03/01/business/massive-cargo-ship-carrying-cars-bound-rhode-island-sinks-mid-atlantic/?et_rid=586621216&s_campaign=globesmostpopular:newsletter&et_rid=586621216&s_campaign=globesmostpopular:newsletter
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Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yup. Yours will look slightly different too, IIRC the wide frame 3pt was a 
little more squared off than the narrow.

One of my narrow frame machines has 3pt. You can't actually see the hitch but 
you can see the plow on it here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/w3ZfTEuVjZ8NMWpU6
That was when I was making up a little garden for the deer last spring. I 
planted bush beans and sweet peas. They ate all the plants by July, greedy 
little buggers. I replanted with rye grass. It's fun to plant and see what the 
deer like. I think the biggest winner yet has been turnips. I thought they 
would only eat the tops but they pulled the roots out and ate those too.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/SBruSmB62QtdvbnX9
Here's Angie running the other Cub Cadet. This one is a 70 from 1965...

-Curt






On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 08:57:38 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





According to this

http://ccmanuals.info/pdf/70-100%203PT%20Install.pdf

From the illustration on page 3 I have the fixed drawbar but not the lower 
hitch link, lift lever, or lift link.



On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> No I do not have the 3pt hitch either. Sounding like more trouble than 
> it's worth.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 7:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> Ahh, okay, wide frame but as I said in another note it doesn't seem 
>> like it matters.
>>
>> Do you already have a 3pt hitch? You need one to mount the tiller on. 
>> Those can be spendy.
>>
>> The sites I found also recommended spring assist or a hydraulic lift 
>> (which was a factory option, or you could make your own) because of the 
>> weight of the tiller. I've pulled a plow (plough for Fred), a disc 
>> harrow, cultivator and back blade (not all at the same time) and they 
>> do require significant arm strength to lift, way more than a mower deck 
>> would.
>>
>> I guess I'm kind of on the look out for a creeper gear and tiller now, 
>> that thing is pretty cool.
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 07:05:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>>
>>
>> It is an International Cub Cadet 128.
>>
>> https://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/2/4/245-cub-cadet-128.html
>>
>> Mine has the 3-speed (and reverse) transmission, not the creeper.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 5:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Sounds like my former 1962 Wheel Horse. Built like a brick doghouse, 
>>> however, not that great with anything other than a mower deck. I had a 
>>> snowblower for it, but it was only single stage, so it wasn’t terribly 
>>> effective. Pretty underpowered for the wet Midwestern snow.
>>>
>>> I think there was a tiller attachment for it, too, but like the 
>>> snowblower I can see it being very good.
>>>
>>> -D
>>>
 On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than 
 1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank.
 
 It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has 
 turf tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll 
 check the model and get back to you.
 
 Allan
 
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's 
> an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the 
> engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're 
> super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden 
> tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the 
> transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not 
> really a narrow frame tractor.
> 
> That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary 
> thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, 
> about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same 
> bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive.
> 
> Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a 
> rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the 
> engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels 
> that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the 
> rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long 
> belt.
> 
> I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide 
> frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post 
> 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at 
> least not without major adaptation.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But 
> I do know that everything is belt drive. 

Re: [MBZ] Cargo ship descends to Davy's Locker

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Well EVs are not. 

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> On Mar 1, 2022, at 7:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> 
> I read that solid state batteries are the next Big Thing.
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 4:43 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Mostly EVs on the ship? Good riddance. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Mar 1, 2022, at 4:13 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > You buy insurance for your goods when you ship. The shipping company is 
>> > not
>> > responsible for losses incurred.
>> > 
>> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 10:23 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> How does the insurance work in situations like this? I would guess there
>> >> are multiple parties involved, at least: the cargo ship owners, the
>> >> shipping company that the ship is leased or contracted with, and the many
>> >> different owners of the goods being transported.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 1:13 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
>> >>> was on its way to a port about 5 miles from where I live.  car import
>> >>> terminal. fortunately no vintage Benzes.
>> >>> 
>> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 12:37 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>> 
>>  
>>  
>> >> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03/01/business/massive-cargo-ship-carrying-cars-bound-rhode-island-sinks-mid-atlantic/?et_rid=586621216&s_campaign=globesmostpopular:newsletter&et_rid=586621216&s_campaign=globesmostpopular:newsletter
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Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Hmm, I think it might have been on my 1650 also. Somebody removed it from mine 
before I got it, of course that's got an aftermarket hydraulic pump to run the 
loader...

-Curt

On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 07:58:50 PM EST, mitch--- via Mercedes 
 wrote: 



Hydraulic lift was standard on the 149 and 148.

I should get out my 149 and put a new battery in it.


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Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

According to this

http://ccmanuals.info/pdf/70-100%203PT%20Install.pdf

From the illustration on page 3 I have the fixed drawbar but not the lower 
hitch link, lift lever, or lift link.



On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> No I do not have the 3pt hitch either. Sounding like more trouble than 
> it's worth.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 7:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> Ahh, okay, wide frame but as I said in another note it doesn't seem 
>> like it matters.
>>
>> Do you already have a 3pt hitch? You need one to mount the tiller on. 
>> Those can be spendy.
>>
>> The sites I found also recommended spring assist or a hydraulic lift 
>> (which was a factory option, or you could make your own) because of the 
>> weight of the tiller. I've pulled a plow (plough for Fred), a disc 
>> harrow, cultivator and back blade (not all at the same time) and they 
>> do require significant arm strength to lift, way more than a mower deck 
>> would.
>>
>> I guess I'm kind of on the look out for a creeper gear and tiller now, 
>> that thing is pretty cool.
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 07:05:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>>
>>
>> It is an International Cub Cadet 128.
>>
>> https://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/2/4/245-cub-cadet-128.html
>>
>> Mine has the 3-speed (and reverse) transmission, not the creeper.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 5:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Sounds like my former 1962 Wheel Horse. Built like a brick doghouse, 
>>> however, not that great with anything other than a mower deck. I had a 
>>> snowblower for it, but it was only single stage, so it wasn’t terribly 
>>> effective. Pretty underpowered for the wet Midwestern snow.
>>>
>>> I think there was a tiller attachment for it, too, but like the 
>>> snowblower I can see it being very good.
>>>
>>> -D
>>>
 On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than 
 1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank.
 
 It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has 
 turf tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll 
 check the model and get back to you.
 
 Allan
 
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's 
> an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the 
> engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're 
> super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden 
> tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the 
> transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not 
> really a narrow frame tractor.
> 
> That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary 
> thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, 
> about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same 
> bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive.
> 
> Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a 
> rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the 
> engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels 
> that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the 
> rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long 
> belt.
> 
> I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide 
> frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post 
> 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at 
> least not without major adaptation.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But 
> I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but 
> it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter.
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> What tractor do you have?
>> This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a 
>> creeper gear.
>> 
>> I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> Thoughts? Fair price?
>> 
>> This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need 
>> to double check).
>> 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760
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Re: [MBZ] Premium

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That’s far more likely to occur where you are due to your immigration laws and 
the diversity of your citizens.

I had a customer in Calgary who was a three-way partnership. One guy was 
Scottish, another Indian (as in Asia) and the third from Hong Kong. Listening 
to the conversations in meetings was a truly bizarre experience, although I 
will say I liked the Scottish guy (Hamish) the best.

-D

On Mar 1, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:

All you really need is a spouse who is a New Zealander. I had clients who moved 
there. She was originally from New Zealand and had somehow ended up here and 
married a Canadian. Their biggest issue was that they had a couple of cats and 
the cats had to be kept in quarantine for a month or two once they got to NZ.

Randy


On 28/02/2022 5:36 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
Good luck getting into New Zealand or Aussieland. To be a sovereign citizen 
you’ve got to bring a business that will employ locals and/or a boatload of 
cash that will be on deposit or working capital there.

A former associate has relatives that moved to NZ permanently, and it took a 
ton ‘o’ cash for them to even be considered. One way around it is to be 
employed in an area where there is high demand, like medicine.

-D

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 28, 2022, at 2:11 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
wrote:

New Zealand where all the multi billionaire's have property as a hedge against 
certain occurances.


Rick



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Re: [MBZ] w126 front suspension bushings

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That would be the first place I would check, however, with suppliers like 
Lemförder making fewer and fewer of these parts I'm wondering if they're all 
still available enough to make up a kit?

Keep us posted.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Karl Wittnebel via 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 8:04 PM
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Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
Subject: [MBZ] w126 front suspension bushings

Does anyone know of a kit with all the front suspension rubber bits on a
w126? I replaced the control rod bushings on the body side, but the caster
is still way out, so it needs control arm rubber and the rubber on the
front end of the guide rod, and the big subframe rubber bushings. I am
thinking of replacing the rear control arms while I am at it. I did the
front ball joints and shocks already, so no need to get them.

Maybe fcp?

Thanks

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 3:50 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Basically what the story is she was driving in the left and dude with
> trailer was in right lane.  He allegedly swerved into her lane while
> passing on the right and his trailer caught the bumper.  The other dude
> claims SWMBO swerved into his lane.  Cop arrives but this is basically a
> he said she said deal.  Supposedly guy later admitted in front of cop
> that he did in fact come over on her side and it was his fault.  Cop
> asks if they want a police report and citations issues, or if they want
> to let insurance handle it.  Wife opts for no report.  I let wife know
> as soon as she contacts their insurance, there guy will say it was her
> fault.  That is exactly what happened.  I guess SWMBO is screwed.  Not
> sure how she will prove fault without a police report.  IMO if he really
> admitted fault in front of cop, cop would put that on report, if their
> was one.  I let SWMBO know you ALWAYS demand a report when it is the
> other guys fault.  She says it was my fault because she called me to ask
> and I did not answer.  I did not answer because I was in meetings trying
> to work.
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[MBZ] w126 front suspension bushings

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Does anyone know of a kit with all the front suspension rubber bits on a
w126? I replaced the control rod bushings on the body side, but the caster
is still way out, so it needs control arm rubber and the rubber on the
front end of the guide rod, and the big subframe rubber bushings. I am
thinking of replacing the rear control arms while I am at it. I did the
front ball joints and shocks already, so no need to get them.

Maybe fcp?

Thanks

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 3:50 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Basically what the story is she was driving in the left and dude with
> trailer was in right lane.  He allegedly swerved into her lane while
> passing on the right and his trailer caught the bumper.  The other dude
> claims SWMBO swerved into his lane.  Cop arrives but this is basically a
> he said she said deal.  Supposedly guy later admitted in front of cop
> that he did in fact come over on her side and it was his fault.  Cop
> asks if they want a police report and citations issues, or if they want
> to let insurance handle it.  Wife opts for no report.  I let wife know
> as soon as she contacts their insurance, there guy will say it was her
> fault.  That is exactly what happened.  I guess SWMBO is screwed.  Not
> sure how she will prove fault without a police report.  IMO if he really
> admitted fault in front of cop, cop would put that on report, if their
> was one.  I let SWMBO know you ALWAYS demand a report when it is the
> other guys fault.  She says it was my fault because she called me to ask
> and I did not answer.  I did not answer because I was in meetings trying
> to work.
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Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Hydraulic lift was standard on the 149 and 148.

I should get out my 149 and put a new battery in it.

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Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

No I do not have the 3pt hitch either. Sounding like more trouble than it's 
worth.


On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 7:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> Ahh, okay, wide frame but as I said in another note it doesn't seem 
> like it matters.
>
> Do you already have a 3pt hitch? You need one to mount the tiller on. 
> Those can be spendy.
>
> The sites I found also recommended spring assist or a hydraulic lift 
> (which was a factory option, or you could make your own) because of the 
> weight of the tiller. I've pulled a plow (plough for Fred), a disc 
> harrow, cultivator and back blade (not all at the same time) and they 
> do require significant arm strength to lift, way more than a mower deck 
> would.
>
> I guess I'm kind of on the look out for a creeper gear and tiller now, 
> that thing is pretty cool.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 07:05:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
>
>
> It is an International Cub Cadet 128.
>
> https://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/2/4/245-cub-cadet-128.html
>
> Mine has the 3-speed (and reverse) transmission, not the creeper.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 5:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Sounds like my former 1962 Wheel Horse. Built like a brick doghouse, 
>> however, not that great with anything other than a mower deck. I had a 
>> snowblower for it, but it was only single stage, so it wasn’t terribly 
>> effective. Pretty underpowered for the wet Midwestern snow.
>>
>> I think there was a tiller attachment for it, too, but like the 
>> snowblower I can see it being very good.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than 
>>> 1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank.
>>> 
>>> It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has 
>>> turf tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll 
>>> check the model and get back to you.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
 On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
 If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's 
 an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the 
 engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're 
 super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden 
 tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the 
 transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not 
 really a narrow frame tractor.
 
 That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary 
 thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, 
 about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same 
 bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive.
 
 Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a 
 rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the 
 engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels 
 that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the 
 rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long 
 belt.
 
 I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide 
 frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post 
 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at 
 least not without major adaptation.
 
 -Curt
 
 
 
 On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib 
  wrote: 
 
 
 
 
 
 Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But 
 I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but 
 it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter.
 
 
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> What tractor do you have?
> This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a 
> creeper gear.
> 
> I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> Thoughts? Fair price?
> 
> This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need 
> to double check).
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760
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Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Ahh, okay, wide frame but as I said in another note it doesn't seem like it 
matters.

Do you already have a 3pt hitch? You need one to mount the tiller on. Those can 
be spendy.

The sites I found also recommended spring assist or a hydraulic lift (which was 
a factory option, or you could make your own) because of the weight of the 
tiller. I've pulled a plow (plough for Fred), a disc harrow, cultivator and 
back blade (not all at the same time) and they do require significant arm 
strength to lift, way more than a mower deck would.

I guess I'm kind of on the look out for a creeper gear and tiller now, that 
thing is pretty cool.

-Curt

On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 07:05:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote: 


It is an International Cub Cadet 128.

https://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/2/4/245-cub-cadet-128.html

Mine has the 3-speed (and reverse) transmission, not the creeper.




On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 5:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Sounds like my former 1962 Wheel Horse. Built like a brick doghouse, 
> however, not that great with anything other than a mower deck. I had a 
> snowblower for it, but it was only single stage, so it wasn’t terribly 
> effective. Pretty underpowered for the wet Midwestern snow.
>
> I think there was a tiller attachment for it, too, but like the 
> snowblower I can see it being very good.
>
> -D
>
>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than 
>> 1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank.
>> 
>> It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has turf 
>> tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll check the 
>> model and get back to you.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>>> If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's 
>>> an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the 
>>> engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're 
>>> super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden 
>>> tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the 
>>> transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not 
>>> really a narrow frame tractor.
>>> 
>>> That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary 
>>> thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, 
>>> about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same 
>>> bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive.
>>> 
>>> Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a 
>>> rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the 
>>> engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels 
>>> that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the 
>>> rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long 
>>> belt.
>>> 
>>> I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide 
>>> frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post 
>>> 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at 
>>> least not without major adaptation.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib 
>>>  wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But 
>>> I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but 
>>> it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
 What tractor do you have?
 This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a 
 creeper gear.
 
 I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great.
 
 -Curt
 
 On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote: 
 
 
 Thoughts? Fair price?
 
 This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need 
 to double check).
 
 https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760
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Re: [MBZ] Cargo ship descends to Davy's Locker

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I read that solid state batteries are the next Big Thing.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 4:43 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Mostly EVs on the ship? Good riddance.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 1, 2022, at 4:13 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > You buy insurance for your goods when you ship. The shipping company is
> not
> > responsible for losses incurred.
> >
> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 10:23 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> How does the insurance work in situations like this? I would guess there
> >> are multiple parties involved, at least: the cargo ship owners, the
> >> shipping company that the ship is leased or contracted with, and the
> many
> >> different owners of the goods being transported.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 1:13 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> was on its way to a port about 5 miles from where I live.  car import
> >>> terminal. fortunately no vintage Benzes.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 12:37 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> 
> 
> >>
> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03/01/business/massive-cargo-ship-carrying-cars-bound-rhode-island-sinks-mid-atlantic/?et_rid=586621216&s_campaign=globesmostpopular:newsletter&et_rid=586621216&s_campaign=globesmostpopular:newsletter
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Re: [MBZ] I guess the gorilla tape bumper repair will be all SWMBO gets

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Dash cam, worth it’s weight in gold.


> On Mar 1, 2022, at 5:50 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Basically what the story is she was driving in the left and dude with trailer 
> was in right lane.  He allegedly swerved into her lane while passing on the 
> right and his trailer caught the bumper.  The other dude claims SWMBO swerved 
> into his lane.  Cop arrives but this is basically a he said she said deal.  
> Supposedly guy later admitted in front of cop that he did in fact come over 
> on her side and it was his fault.  Cop asks if they want a police report and 
> citations issues, or if they want to let insurance handle it.  Wife opts for 
> no report.  I let wife know as soon as she contacts their insurance, there 
> guy will say it was her fault.  That is exactly what happened.  I guess SWMBO 
> is screwed.  Not sure how she will prove fault without a police report.  IMO 
> if he really admitted fault in front of cop, cop would put that on report, if 
> their was one.  I let SWMBO know you ALWAYS demand a report when it is the 
> other guys fault.  She says it was my fault because she called me to ask and 
> I did not answer.  I did not answer because I was in meetings trying to work.
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

No alarm system?

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 4:29 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Years ago, my brother in law, (before he married my sister) had his home
> broken into while he was away for a vacation. The burglars broke into
> the house and loaded stuff into his car which was in the attached garage
> and stole the car too. They keys were hanging in the house so it made it
> pretty easy for them. They dumped the car and he got it back but I don't
> think he got any of the stuff from the house back.
>
>
> On 01/03/2022 2:35 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > But this is still a good idea, however.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Mar 1, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> One thing I do with the cars parked inside I don’t leave the keys in
> them. I usually have them sitting somewhere not easily seen. That way
> somebody can’t just break in and drive a bunch of cars out, hopefully.
> >>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have an opinion on Beck Arnley parts?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

They used to be a decent "import" parts brand. Not sure what they are today.


On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 6:07 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> I want to replace the center bearing and support on the driveshaft in my 
> car.
>
> Rock Auto has Beck Arnley. Is that going to be as good as any other?
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

It is an International Cub Cadet 128.

https://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/2/4/245-cub-cadet-128.html

Mine has the 3-speed (and reverse) transmission, not the creeper.




On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 5:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Sounds like my former 1962 Wheel Horse. Built like a brick doghouse, 
> however, not that great with anything other than a mower deck. I had a 
> snowblower for it, but it was only single stage, so it wasn’t terribly 
> effective. Pretty underpowered for the wet Midwestern snow.
>
> I think there was a tiller attachment for it, too, but like the 
> snowblower I can see it being very good.
>
> -D
>
>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than 
>> 1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank.
>> 
>> It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has turf 
>> tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll check the 
>> model and get back to you.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>>> If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's 
>>> an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the 
>>> engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're 
>>> super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden 
>>> tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the 
>>> transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not 
>>> really a narrow frame tractor.
>>> 
>>> That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary 
>>> thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, 
>>> about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same 
>>> bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive.
>>> 
>>> Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a 
>>> rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the 
>>> engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels 
>>> that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the 
>>> rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long 
>>> belt.
>>> 
>>> I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide 
>>> frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post 
>>> 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at 
>>> least not without major adaptation.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib 
>>>  wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But 
>>> I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but 
>>> it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
 What tractor do you have?
 This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a 
 creeper gear.
 
 I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great.
 
 -Curt
 
 On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote: 
 
 
 Thoughts? Fair price?
 
 This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need 
 to double check).
 
 https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760
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[MBZ] I guess the gorilla tape bumper repair will be all SWMBO gets

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Basically what the story is she was driving in the left and dude with 
trailer was in right lane.  He allegedly swerved into her lane while 
passing on the right and his trailer caught the bumper.  The other dude 
claims SWMBO swerved into his lane.  Cop arrives but this is basically a 
he said she said deal.  Supposedly guy later admitted in front of cop 
that he did in fact come over on her side and it was his fault.  Cop 
asks if they want a police report and citations issues, or if they want 
to let insurance handle it.  Wife opts for no report.  I let wife know 
as soon as she contacts their insurance, there guy will say it was her 
fault.  That is exactly what happened.  I guess SWMBO is screwed.  Not 
sure how she will prove fault without a police report.  IMO if he really 
admitted fault in front of cop, cop would put that on report, if their 
was one.  I let SWMBO know you ALWAYS demand a report when it is the 
other guys fault.  She says it was my fault because she called me to ask 
and I did not answer.  I did not answer because I was in meetings trying 
to work.


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[MBZ] Anyone have an opinion on Beck Arnley parts?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I want to replace the center bearing and support on the driveshaft in my 
car.


Rock Auto has Beck Arnley. Is that going to be as good as any other?

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Sounds like my former 1962 Wheel Horse. Built like a brick doghouse, however, 
not that great with anything other than a mower deck. I had a snowblower for 
it, but it was only single stage, so it wasn’t terribly effective. Pretty 
underpowered for the wet Midwestern snow.

I think there was a tiller attachment for it, too, but like the snowblower I 
can see it being very good.

-D

> On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than 
> 1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank.
> 
> It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has turf 
> tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll check the 
> model and get back to you.
> 
> Allan
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's 
>> an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the 
>> engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're 
>> super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden 
>> tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the 
>> transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not 
>> really a narrow frame tractor.
>> 
>> That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary 
>> thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, 
>> about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same 
>> bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive.
>> 
>> Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a 
>> rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the 
>> engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels 
>> that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the 
>> rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long 
>> belt.
>> 
>> I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide 
>> frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post 
>> 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at 
>> least not without major adaptation.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But 
>> I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but 
>> it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>>> What tractor do you have?
>>> This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a 
>>> creeper gear.
>>> 
>>> I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thoughts? Fair price?
>>> 
>>> This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need 
>>> to double check).
>>> 
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760
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Re: [MBZ] Cargo ship descends to Davy's Locker

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Mostly EVs on the ship? Good riddance. 

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> On Mar 1, 2022, at 4:13 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You buy insurance for your goods when you ship. The shipping company is not
> responsible for losses incurred.
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 10:23 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> How does the insurance work in situations like this? I would guess there
>> are multiple parties involved, at least: the cargo ship owners, the
>> shipping company that the ship is leased or contracted with, and the many
>> different owners of the goods being transported.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 1:13 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
>>> was on its way to a port about 5 miles from where I live.  car import
>>> terminal. fortunately no vintage Benzes.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 12:37 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I did a little more digging because, again I've never actually seen one of the 
tillers in the flesh.
It turns out that the narrow and wide frame tillers are essentially the same so 
as long as you don't have a "spread frame" (86 series so model number x86) 
you're probably fine.

I noticed that the auction included a 90 degree gearbox, oh boy, I hadn't 
realized how fun the belts on that thing are. So the long belt I talked about 
before goes from the engine, down under the machine to the 90 degree gearbox 
that sits behind the transaxle. That thing then lets the belt turn 90 degrees 
sideways to run another belt to the tiller.

I did find a couple references that said you absolutely want a creeper gear or 
a hydro machine. I'd already guessed that 1st gear would be too fast and I 
think I'm right. Fortunately the clutch is relatively easy to replace ;)

-Curt




On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 04:12:24 PM EST, Allan Streib  
wrote: 





I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than 
1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank.

It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has turf 
tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll check the 
model and get back to you.

Allan

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's 
> an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the 
> engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're 
> super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden 
> tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the 
> transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not 
> really a narrow frame tractor.
>
> That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary 
> thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, 
> about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same 
> bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive.
>
> Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a 
> rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the 
> engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels 
> that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the 
> rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long 
> belt.
>
> I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide 
> frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post 
> 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at 
> least not without major adaptation.
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib 
>  wrote: 
>
>
>
>
>
> Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But 
> I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but 
> it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> What tractor do you have?
>> This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a 
>> creeper gear.
>>
>> I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great.
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Thoughts? Fair price?
>>
>> This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need 
>> to double check).
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Years ago, my brother in law, (before he married my sister) had his home 
broken into while he was away for a vacation. The burglars broke into 
the house and loaded stuff into his car which was in the attached garage 
and stole the car too. They keys were hanging in the house so it made it 
pretty easy for them. They dumped the car and he got it back but I don't 
think he got any of the stuff from the house back.



On 01/03/2022 2:35 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

But this is still a good idea, however.

-D


On Mar 1, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  
wrote:

One thing I do with the cars parked inside I don’t leave the keys in them. I 
usually have them sitting somewhere not easily seen. That way somebody can’t 
just break in and drive a bunch of cars out, hopefully.




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Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than 
1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank.

It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has turf 
tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll check the 
model and get back to you.

Allan

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's 
> an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the 
> engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're 
> super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden 
> tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the 
> transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not 
> really a narrow frame tractor.
>
> That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary 
> thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, 
> about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same 
> bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive.
>
> Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a 
> rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the 
> engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels 
> that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the 
> rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long 
> belt.
>
> I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide 
> frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post 
> 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at 
> least not without major adaptation.
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib 
>  wrote: 
>
>
>
>
>
> Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But 
> I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but 
> it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> What tractor do you have?
>> This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a 
>> creeper gear.
>>
>> I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great.
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Thoughts? Fair price?
>>
>> This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need 
>> to double check).
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760
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Re: [MBZ] Cargo ship descends to Davy's Locker

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

You buy insurance for your goods when you ship. The shipping company is not
responsible for losses incurred.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 10:23 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> How does the insurance work in situations like this? I would guess there
> are multiple parties involved, at least: the cargo ship owners, the
> shipping company that the ship is leased or contracted with, and the many
> different owners of the goods being transported.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 1:13 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
> > was on its way to a port about 5 miles from where I live.  car import
> > terminal. fortunately no vintage Benzes.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 12:37 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's an 
Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the engine down to 
the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're super weird because the 
belt runs vertically, not like modern garden tractors where the belt runs 
vertically from the engine to the transmission. Most people consider the 
Original to be special and not really a narrow frame tractor.

That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary thing, 
there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, about inline with 
the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same bit the seat mounts to. 
They're uncommon and expensive.

Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a rear PTO is 
a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the engine (these are all 
horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels that turn it under the tractor 
(so horizontally) to the tiller at the rear. I've never actually seen one in 
person but it must be a very long belt.

I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide frame 
tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post 1990) lawn 
tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at least not without 
major adaptation.

-Curt



On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib  
wrote: 





Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But I do 
know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but it does not 
have a Hi/low-range splitter.


On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> What tractor do you have?
> This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a 
> creeper gear.
>
> I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
>
>
> Thoughts? Fair price?
>
> This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need 
> to double check).
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760
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Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But I do 
know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but it does not 
have a Hi/low-range splitter.


On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> What tractor do you have?
> This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a 
> creeper gear.
>
> I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
>
>
> Thoughts? Fair price?
>
> This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need 
> to double check).
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Most residential doors open inward, probably so a storm or screen door can be 
added. AFAIK, commercial doors open outward (and have panic hardware) so a pile 
of panicked people trying to escape cannot block the door shut.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 11:20 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shop door

The main entry doors on all my homes has always opened inwards. Not sure if a 
different code would apply to a non-residential building like a shop or garage?


On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> Isn’t it fire code it has to open outward? Although there are probably 
> no fire codes in Okieland.   
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 7:41 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Roll up door with a hand operated chain drive to roll it up, instead 
>> of electric. Then if the electric goes out you can operate the door. 
>> The roll up door takes up the least space since you don't have the 
>> overhead rails like garage doors with spring assist, ect.
>> No hinges to deal with, and the up/down rails are inside the building 
>> so they can be sealed off from wind and water incursion.
>> Cost a bit more, IMHO, worth it.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:29 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < 
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Big knife, machete.  Peel your way in like a can opener, would take 
>>> mere seconds.
>>> Wouldn't want the door to swing inwards, very inconvenient regards 
>>> occupying valuable space.  It's probably best the way it is.  Are 
>>> there big-boy versions of those hidden cabinet hinges?
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

What tractor do you have?
This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a creeper 
gear.

I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great.

-Curt

On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote: 


Thoughts? Fair price?

This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need to 
double check).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

But this is still a good idea, however.

-D

> On Mar 1, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> One thing I do with the cars parked inside I don’t leave the keys in them. I 
> usually have them sitting somewhere not easily seen. That way somebody can’t 
> just break in and drive a bunch of cars out, hopefully. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> $1,000 deductible?
>> 
>> I would think it a good idea to try to avoid having to replace a lot of 
>> tools.
>> Maybe build a locked storage unit inside the garage as well and store the 
>> tools in it.
>> 
>> Cameras would be a good idea as well and a monitored alarm. People may break 
>> in but if the alarm goes off, they will likely not stick around for long. If 
>> you can reduce the time they are willing to invest, you should reduce your 
>> damage.
>> 
>> 
 On 01/03/2022 1:42 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>> At some point the ROI goes negative when reinforcing a structure to stop a 
>>> determined intruder. Do what is reasonable to deter impulsive opportunists, 
>>> then let insurance handle any losses.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 2:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
 How solid is your door? We have had our offices broken into a couple of
 times and the thieves just break the door. I assume they use a sledge
 hammer and just bang the door hard enough near the lock to break a chunk
 out of the door. Solid doors but basically plywood on either side with
 particle board in the middle.
 
 If you have a steel door, it is likely hollow so  you may want to
 reinforce the inside of it and the door jamb to prevent that sort of thing.
 
 
 On 01/03/2022 12:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> Seems like you could do this anywhere on the hinge side of the door, 
> would not need to remove a hinge screw?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> That reminds me they do sell hinges that do that. They have studs that
>> stick out and you have to drill holes in the frame and when the door is
>> closed the studs stick into the holes.
>> 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I would be more concerned about tools and equipment. Burglars are far less 
likely to be breaking in to steal a car. Tools are far easier to fence.

-D

> On Mar 1, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> One thing I do with the cars parked inside I don’t leave the keys in them. I 
> usually have them sitting somewhere not easily seen. That way somebody can’t 
> just break in and drive a bunch of cars out, hopefully. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> $1,000 deductible?
>> 
>> I would think it a good idea to try to avoid having to replace a lot of 
>> tools.
>> Maybe build a locked storage unit inside the garage as well and store the 
>> tools in it.
>> 
>> Cameras would be a good idea as well and a monitored alarm. People may break 
>> in but if the alarm goes off, they will likely not stick around for long. If 
>> you can reduce the time they are willing to invest, you should reduce your 
>> damage.
>> 
>> 
 On 01/03/2022 1:42 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>> At some point the ROI goes negative when reinforcing a structure to stop a 
>>> determined intruder. Do what is reasonable to deter impulsive opportunists, 
>>> then let insurance handle any losses.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 2:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
 How solid is your door? We have had our offices broken into a couple of
 times and the thieves just break the door. I assume they use a sledge
 hammer and just bang the door hard enough near the lock to break a chunk
 out of the door. Solid doors but basically plywood on either side with
 particle board in the middle.
 
 If you have a steel door, it is likely hollow so  you may want to
 reinforce the inside of it and the door jamb to prevent that sort of thing.
 
 
 On 01/03/2022 12:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> Seems like you could do this anywhere on the hinge side of the door, 
> would not need to remove a hinge screw?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> That reminds me they do sell hinges that do that. They have studs that
>> stick out and you have to drill holes in the frame and when the door is
>> closed the studs stick into the holes.
>> 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

It does not, thankfully.

-D

> On Mar 1, 2022, at 1:33 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Does your garage have windows?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I have similar concerns for the service door on my garage at the 
>> Flagstaff house. It’s a wooden frame service door, which, with minimal 
>> effort but a lot of noise, could be breached.
>> 
>> This summer I plan on installing a steel frame/door. Not cheap, but if 
>> properly installed is far more secure and a significant impediment to a 
>> burglar.
>> 
>> No doubt overkill, as we have little to no crime, and the house and 
>> garage are both well covered with both cameras and lighting. However, 
>> the existing door is pretty shabby to the point where it wouldn’t take 
>> much effort to force it open, even with the current frame and deadbolt.
>> 
>> -D 
>> 
 On Mar 1, 2022, at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How solid is your door? We have had our offices broken into a couple of 
>>> times and the thieves just break the door. I assume they use a sledge 
>>> hammer and just bang the door hard enough near the lock to break a chunk 
>>> out of the door. Solid doors but basically plywood on either side with 
>>> particle board in the middle.
>>> 
>>> If you have a steel door, it is likely hollow so  you may want to reinforce 
>>> the inside of it and the door jamb to prevent that sort of thing.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 01/03/2022 12:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
 Seems like you could do this anywhere on the hinge side of the door, would 
 not need to remove a hinge screw?
 
 
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> That reminds me they do sell hinges that do that. They have studs that
> stick out and you have to drill holes in the frame and when the door is
> closed the studs stick into the holes.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Does your garage have windows?



On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> I have similar concerns for the service door on my garage at the 
> Flagstaff house. It’s a wooden frame service door, which, with minimal 
> effort but a lot of noise, could be breached.
>
> This summer I plan on installing a steel frame/door. Not cheap, but if 
> properly installed is far more secure and a significant impediment to a 
> burglar.
>
> No doubt overkill, as we have little to no crime, and the house and 
> garage are both well covered with both cameras and lighting. However, 
> the existing door is pretty shabby to the point where it wouldn’t take 
> much effort to force it open, even with the current frame and deadbolt.
>
> -D 
>
>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> How solid is your door? We have had our offices broken into a couple of 
>> times and the thieves just break the door. I assume they use a sledge hammer 
>> and just bang the door hard enough near the lock to break a chunk out of the 
>> door. Solid doors but basically plywood on either side with particle board 
>> in the middle.
>> 
>> If you have a steel door, it is likely hollow so  you may want to reinforce 
>> the inside of it and the door jamb to prevent that sort of thing.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 01/03/2022 12:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Seems like you could do this anywhere on the hinge side of the door, would 
>>> not need to remove a hinge screw?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 That reminds me they do sell hinges that do that. They have studs that
 stick out and you have to drill holes in the frame and when the door is
 closed the studs stick into the holes.
 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Inward-opening doors have a floor-space penalty because the swing area must be 
kept clear.  They are also more vulnerable to brute-force attacks because the 
door jam helps resist a pushing attack.
Some people weld the hinge pin so it can't be removed.  
You can also fabricate a hinge protector that works like the "non-live" locking 
bolts on a safe.  This shows the idea:
https://www.amazon.com/Security-Door-Lock-Hinge-Protector/dp/B00JF90IOK?


-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 3:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shop door

One thing I do with the cars parked inside I don’t leave the keys in them. I 
usually have them sitting somewhere not easily seen. That way somebody can’t 
just break in and drive a bunch of cars out, hopefully. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2022, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> $1,000 deductible?
> 
> I would think it a good idea to try to avoid having to replace a lot of tools.
> Maybe build a locked storage unit inside the garage as well and store the 
> tools in it.
> 
> Cameras would be a good idea as well and a monitored alarm. People may break 
> in but if the alarm goes off, they will likely not stick around for long. If 
> you can reduce the time they are willing to invest, you should reduce your 
> damage.
> 
> 
>> On 01/03/2022 1:42 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> At some point the ROI goes negative when reinforcing a structure to stop a 
>> determined intruder. Do what is reasonable to deter impulsive opportunists, 
>> then let insurance handle any losses.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 2:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>>> How solid is your door? We have had our offices broken into a couple 
>>> of times and the thieves just break the door. I assume they use a 
>>> sledge hammer and just bang the door hard enough near the lock to 
>>> break a chunk out of the door. Solid doors but basically plywood on 
>>> either side with particle board in the middle.
>>> 
>>> If you have a steel door, it is likely hollow so  you may want to 
>>> reinforce the inside of it and the door jamb to prevent that sort of thing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 01/03/2022 12:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
 Seems like you could do this anywhere on the hinge side of the door, would 
 not need to remove a hinge screw?
 
 
 On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> That reminds me they do sell hinges that do that. They have studs 
> that stick out and you have to drill holes in the frame and when 
> the door is closed the studs stick into the holes.
> 
>>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I have similar concerns for the service door on my garage at the Flagstaff 
house. It’s a wooden frame service door, which, with minimal effort but a lot 
of noise, could be breached.

This summer I plan on installing a steel frame/door. Not cheap, but if properly 
installed is far more secure and a significant impediment to a burglar.

No doubt overkill, as we have little to no crime, and the house and garage are 
both well covered with both cameras and lighting. However, the existing door is 
pretty shabby to the point where it wouldn’t take much effort to force it open, 
even with the current frame and deadbolt.

-D 

> On Mar 1, 2022, at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How solid is your door? We have had our offices broken into a couple of 
> times and the thieves just break the door. I assume they use a sledge hammer 
> and just bang the door hard enough near the lock to break a chunk out of the 
> door. Solid doors but basically plywood on either side with particle board in 
> the middle.
> 
> If you have a steel door, it is likely hollow so  you may want to reinforce 
> the inside of it and the door jamb to prevent that sort of thing.
> 
> 
>> On 01/03/2022 12:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Seems like you could do this anywhere on the hinge side of the door, would 
>> not need to remove a hinge screw?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> That reminds me they do sell hinges that do that. They have studs that
>>> stick out and you have to drill holes in the frame and when the door is
>>> closed the studs stick into the holes.
>>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cargo ship descends to Davy's Locker

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Actually Chevy had an alert for the all electric Bolt not to charge indoors and 
not to park within 50' of another car. I suspect after the recall that has been 
changed, but I can't find anything on that. 
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/gm-tells-some-chevy-bolt-owners-park-50-ft-from-other-cars/

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From: Mercedes  on behalf of Randy Bennell via 
Mercedes 
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 1:35:10 PM
To: Allan Streib via Mercedes 
Cc: Randy Bennell 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cargo ship descends to Davy's Locker

Interesting that the cargo included a lot of electric vehicles and the
lithium batteries are suspect in regard to the fire.

Don't park your Tesla in an attached garage.


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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

One thing I do with the cars parked inside I don’t leave the keys in them. I 
usually have them sitting somewhere not easily seen. That way somebody can’t 
just break in and drive a bunch of cars out, hopefully. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2022, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> $1,000 deductible?
> 
> I would think it a good idea to try to avoid having to replace a lot of tools.
> Maybe build a locked storage unit inside the garage as well and store the 
> tools in it.
> 
> Cameras would be a good idea as well and a monitored alarm. People may break 
> in but if the alarm goes off, they will likely not stick around for long. If 
> you can reduce the time they are willing to invest, you should reduce your 
> damage.
> 
> 
>> On 01/03/2022 1:42 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> At some point the ROI goes negative when reinforcing a structure to stop a 
>> determined intruder. Do what is reasonable to deter impulsive opportunists, 
>> then let insurance handle any losses.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 2:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>>> How solid is your door? We have had our offices broken into a couple of
>>> times and the thieves just break the door. I assume they use a sledge
>>> hammer and just bang the door hard enough near the lock to break a chunk
>>> out of the door. Solid doors but basically plywood on either side with
>>> particle board in the middle.
>>> 
>>> If you have a steel door, it is likely hollow so  you may want to
>>> reinforce the inside of it and the door jamb to prevent that sort of thing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 01/03/2022 12:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
 Seems like you could do this anywhere on the hinge side of the door, would 
 not need to remove a hinge screw?
 
 
 On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> That reminds me they do sell hinges that do that. They have studs that
> stick out and you have to drill holes in the frame and when the door is
> closed the studs stick into the holes.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cargo ship descends to Davy's Locker

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

They got off and we’re in port shortly after the fire became uncontrollable. 
Vacation in the Azores.

-D

> On Mar 1, 2022, at 12:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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> 
> No mention of the crew. I trust they got off of it OK. It was being towed, 
> so would there likely be some people on board?
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Must be a way to fix that too.



On 01/03/2022 1:50 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

That’s what I’ve often thought about when I used to have an indoor storage 
unit. A rechargeable drill, 1/4” socket driver, and about 3-5 minutes and I 
could be in any one of the units with minimal effort.

-D


On Mar 1, 2022, at 11:19 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:

A neighbor of ours had all his tools and the three bladed prop for his
Cessna 210 stolen one night by thieves that removed the screws from a panel
of the sheet metal on his hangar. Instant door.


On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 8:29 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Big knife, machete.  Peel your way in like a can opener, would take mere
seconds.
Wouldn't want the door to swing inwards, very inconvenient regards
occupying
valuable space.  It's probably best the way it is.  Are there big-boy
versions of
those hidden cabinet hinges?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Cargo ship descends to Davy's Locker

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they rescued 22 crew members when the fire broke out

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> No mention of the crew. I trust they got off of it OK. It was being
> towed, so would there likely be some people on board?
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

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I like this.

-D

> On Mar 1, 2022, at 11:40 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So we're talking about a man door where the hinge pins are on the outside?
> 
> Remove one screw from each hinge, insert a pin the same diameter as the screw 
> which protrudes from the hinge the depth of the other hinge. When the door is 
> closed the pins engage both hinges so the door cannot be removed even if the 
> hinge pins are knocked out.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 12:24:16 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> Didn't realize you were talking about the pedestrian door. Use, steel, 
> and put the bar on the outside. Set it up so that it can be locked in 
> the open position so that you cannot be locked inside the garage.
> 
> 
>> On 01/03/2022 10:57 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> How do I get out of the shop once the bar is in place?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 1, 2022, at 10:44 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Install a big bar across on the inside that slides into pockets of some 
>>> sort on both sides of the door. Removing the hinges would not permit it to 
>>> open.
>>> 
>>> I would like one of the hinged doors like they have on aircraft hangars. 
>>> Opens out and up so is out of the way.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
 On 28/02/2022 9:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 One thing that has always bothered me about my shop is the door.  It opens 
 outward with the hinges outside.  It does have set screws that can only be 
 accessed with the door open so the hinge pins can't be easily popped out.  
 That would not stop somebody from with enough time and nobody around from 
 simply cutting the hinges off then just lifting the door out.  Anybody 
 know what would be involved with converting this to opening inward?  Would 
 it require a whole new door frame or maybe completely removing it and 
 installing it backwards.  I have not looked close but the whole shop is 
 metal including the frame, not sure how it attaches or removes.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That’s what I’ve often thought about when I used to have an indoor storage 
unit. A rechargeable drill, 1/4” socket driver, and about 3-5 minutes and I 
could be in any one of the units with minimal effort.

-D

> On Mar 1, 2022, at 11:19 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A neighbor of ours had all his tools and the three bladed prop for his
> Cessna 210 stolen one night by thieves that removed the screws from a panel
> of the sheet metal on his hangar. Instant door.
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 8:29 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Big knife, machete.  Peel your way in like a can opener, would take mere
>> seconds.
>> Wouldn't want the door to swing inwards, very inconvenient regards
>> occupying
>> valuable space.  It's probably best the way it is.  Are there big-boy
>> versions of
>> those hidden cabinet hinges?
>> 
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

$1,000 deductible?

I would think it a good idea to try to avoid having to replace a lot of 
tools.
Maybe build a locked storage unit inside the garage as well and store 
the tools in it.


Cameras would be a good idea as well and a monitored alarm. People may 
break in but if the alarm goes off, they will likely not stick around 
for long. If you can reduce the time they are willing to invest, you 
should reduce your damage.



On 01/03/2022 1:42 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

At some point the ROI goes negative when reinforcing a structure to stop a 
determined intruder. Do what is reasonable to deter impulsive opportunists, 
then let insurance handle any losses.



On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 2:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

How solid is your door? We have had our offices broken into a couple of
times and the thieves just break the door. I assume they use a sledge
hammer and just bang the door hard enough near the lock to break a chunk
out of the door. Solid doors but basically plywood on either side with
particle board in the middle.

If you have a steel door, it is likely hollow so  you may want to
reinforce the inside of it and the door jamb to prevent that sort of thing.


On 01/03/2022 12:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Seems like you could do this anywhere on the hinge side of the door, would not 
need to remove a hinge screw?


On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

That reminds me they do sell hinges that do that. They have studs that
stick out and you have to drill holes in the frame and when the door is
closed the studs stick into the holes.






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Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment

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Yeah that’s a good price, just make sure the gearbox works. I bought one new 
(4’) for my 22hp kubota, was $1400 or so delivered. Last summer I saw on FB 
essentially a brand new “finish mower” ( aka bush hog) for sale for $350. I 
sent the guy a note and said I’d be over to get it any time. He was out of town 
but said his wife was around so I went and got it. She said they had used it 3 
or 4 times then took the tractor to their other horse farm (yeah…) so had no 
need of it. It was a $900 unit new and looked new. 

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> On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thoughts? Fair price?
> 
> This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need to 
> double check).
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

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Most fire codes I have encountered across the decades require one "man
door" to open outward per so many building square feet or distance from the
most remote place in the floor plan. [wording varies across jurisdictions,
but the intent remains the same, have a way to escape in case of fire].
Opening a large door would insert a huge oxygen supply to a fire, so not
likely a code requirement.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 9:16 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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> Isn’t it fire code it has to open outward? Although there are probably no
> fire codes in Okieland.
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Mar 1, 2022, at 7:41 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Roll up door with a hand operated chain drive to roll it up, instead of
> > electric. Then if the electric goes out you can operate the door. The
> roll
> > up door takes up the least space since you don't have the overhead rails
> > like garage doors with spring assist, ect.
> > No hinges to deal with, and the up/down rails are inside the building so
> > they can be sealed off from wind and water incursion.
> > Cost a bit more, IMHO, worth it.
> >
> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:29 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Big knife, machete.  Peel your way in like a can opener, would take mere
> >> seconds.
> >> Wouldn't want the door to swing inwards, very inconvenient regards
> >> occupying
> >> valuable space.  It's probably best the way it is.  Are there big-boy
> >> versions of
> >> those hidden cabinet hinges?
> >>
> >> -- Jim
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

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At some point the ROI goes negative when reinforcing a structure to stop a 
determined intruder. Do what is reasonable to deter impulsive opportunists, 
then let insurance handle any losses.



On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 2:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> How solid is your door? We have had our offices broken into a couple of 
> times and the thieves just break the door. I assume they use a sledge 
> hammer and just bang the door hard enough near the lock to break a chunk 
> out of the door. Solid doors but basically plywood on either side with 
> particle board in the middle.
>
> If you have a steel door, it is likely hollow so  you may want to 
> reinforce the inside of it and the door jamb to prevent that sort of thing.
>
>
> On 01/03/2022 12:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Seems like you could do this anywhere on the hinge side of the door, would 
>> not need to remove a hinge screw?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> That reminds me they do sell hinges that do that. They have studs that
>>> stick out and you have to drill holes in the frame and when the door is
>>> closed the studs stick into the holes.
>>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

How solid is your door? We have had our offices broken into a couple of 
times and the thieves just break the door. I assume they use a sledge 
hammer and just bang the door hard enough near the lock to break a chunk 
out of the door. Solid doors but basically plywood on either side with 
particle board in the middle.


If you have a steel door, it is likely hollow so  you may want to 
reinforce the inside of it and the door jamb to prevent that sort of thing.



On 01/03/2022 12:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Seems like you could do this anywhere on the hinge side of the door, would not 
need to remove a hinge screw?


On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

That reminds me they do sell hinges that do that. They have studs that
stick out and you have to drill holes in the frame and when the door is
closed the studs stick into the holes.




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Re: [MBZ] Cargo ship descends to Davy's Locker

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I read that the crew were all evacuated several days ago when the fire broke 
out.


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> towed, so would there likely be some people on board?
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Re: [MBZ] Cargo ship descends to Davy's Locker

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Interesting that the cargo included a lot of electric vehicles and the 
lithium batteries are suspect in regard to the fire.


Don't park your Tesla in an attached garage.


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Re: [MBZ] Cargo ship descends to Davy's Locker

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No mention of the crew. I trust they got off of it OK. It was being 
towed, so would there likely be some people on board?


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[MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Thoughts? Fair price?

This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need to 
double check).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Seems like you could do this anywhere on the hinge side of the door, would not 
need to remove a hinge screw?


On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> That reminds me they do sell hinges that do that. They have studs that 
> stick out and you have to drill holes in the frame and when the door is 
> closed the studs stick into the holes. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So we're talking about a man door where the hinge pins are on the outside?
>> 
>> Remove one screw from each hinge, insert a pin the same diameter as the 
>> screw which protrudes from the hinge the depth of the other hinge. When the 
>> door is closed the pins engage both hinges so the door cannot be removed 
>> even if the hinge pins are knocked out.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 12:24:16 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> Didn't realize you were talking about the pedestrian door. Use, steel, 
>> and put the bar on the outside. Set it up so that it can be locked in 
>> the open position so that you cannot be locked inside the garage.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 01/03/2022 10:57 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> How do I get out of the shop once the bar is in place?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Mar 1, 2022, at 10:44 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Install a big bar across on the inside that slides into pockets of some 
 sort on both sides of the door. Removing the hinges would not permit it to 
 open.
 
 I would like one of the hinged doors like they have on aircraft hangars. 
 Opens out and up so is out of the way.
 
 Randy
 
> On 28/02/2022 9:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> One thing that has always bothered me about my shop is the door.  It 
> opens outward with the hinges outside.  It does have set screws that can 
> only be accessed with the door open so the hinge pins can't be easily 
> popped out.  That would not stop somebody from with enough time and 
> nobody around from simply cutting the hinges off then just lifting the 
> door out.  Anybody know what would be involved with converting this to 
> opening inward?  Would it require a whole new door frame or maybe 
> completely removing it and installing it backwards.  I have not looked 
> close but the whole shop is metal including the frame, not sure how it 
> attaches or removes.
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That reminds me they do sell hinges that do that. They have studs that stick 
out and you have to drill holes in the frame and when the door is closed the 
studs stick into the holes. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So we're talking about a man door where the hinge pins are on the outside?
> 
> Remove one screw from each hinge, insert a pin the same diameter as the screw 
> which protrudes from the hinge the depth of the other hinge. When the door is 
> closed the pins engage both hinges so the door cannot be removed even if the 
> hinge pins are knocked out.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 12:24:16 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> Didn't realize you were talking about the pedestrian door. Use, steel, 
> and put the bar on the outside. Set it up so that it can be locked in 
> the open position so that you cannot be locked inside the garage.
> 
> 
>> On 01/03/2022 10:57 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> How do I get out of the shop once the bar is in place?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 1, 2022, at 10:44 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Install a big bar across on the inside that slides into pockets of some 
>>> sort on both sides of the door. Removing the hinges would not permit it to 
>>> open.
>>> 
>>> I would like one of the hinged doors like they have on aircraft hangars. 
>>> Opens out and up so is out of the way.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
 On 28/02/2022 9:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 One thing that has always bothered me about my shop is the door.  It opens 
 outward with the hinges outside.  It does have set screws that can only be 
 accessed with the door open so the hinge pins can't be easily popped out.  
 That would not stop somebody from with enough time and nobody around from 
 simply cutting the hinges off then just lifting the door out.  Anybody 
 know what would be involved with converting this to opening inward?  Would 
 it require a whole new door frame or maybe completely removing it and 
 installing it backwards.  I have not looked close but the whole shop is 
 metal including the frame, not sure how it attaches or removes.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I think if somebody wants in bad enough they will get in 

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> On Mar 1, 2022, at 12:19 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A neighbor of ours had all his tools and the three bladed prop for his
> Cessna 210 stolen one night by thieves that removed the screws from a panel
> of the sheet metal on his hangar. Instant door.
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 8:29 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Big knife, machete.  Peel your way in like a can opener, would take mere
>> seconds.
>> Wouldn't want the door to swing inwards, very inconvenient regards
>> occupying
>> valuable space.  It's probably best the way it is.  Are there big-boy
>> versions of
>> those hidden cabinet hinges?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I can do this with my bumper?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I like this process better.
I taught myself to weld plastic about 3 years ago and quickly learned what
I needed to produce a strong repair that could easily be refinished to look
"factory". [Much the same hand / eye coordination used in TIG welding which
I've been doing for over 40 years, so easy shift to plastic].
The video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoUMDnHA8oI

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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

So we're talking about a man door where the hinge pins are on the outside?

Remove one screw from each hinge, insert a pin the same diameter as the screw 
which protrudes from the hinge the depth of the other hinge. When the door is 
closed the pins engage both hinges so the door cannot be removed even if the 
hinge pins are knocked out.

-Curt

On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 12:24:16 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote: 


Didn't realize you were talking about the pedestrian door. Use, steel, 
and put the bar on the outside. Set it up so that it can be locked in 
the open position so that you cannot be locked inside the garage.


On 01/03/2022 10:57 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> How do I get out of the shop once the bar is in place?
>
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>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 10:44 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Install a big bar across on the inside that slides into pockets of some 
>> sort on both sides of the door. Removing the hinges would not permit it to 
>> open.
>>
>> I would like one of the hinged doors like they have on aircraft hangars. 
>> Opens out and up so is out of the way.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>> On 28/02/2022 9:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> One thing that has always bothered me about my shop is the door.  It opens 
>>> outward with the hinges outside.  It does have set screws that can only be 
>>> accessed with the door open so the hinge pins can't be easily popped out.  
>>> That would not stop somebody from with enough time and nobody around from 
>>> simply cutting the hinges off then just lifting the door out.  Anybody know 
>>> what would be involved with converting this to opening inward?  Would it 
>>> require a whole new door frame or maybe completely removing it and 
>>> installing it backwards.  I have not looked close but the whole shop is 
>>> metal including the frame, not sure how it attaches or removes.
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Doesn'
t work too well when you live 15 miles away from the hangar, and don't go
there every day. He was un-insured to boot.

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> That’s why you have dogs and weapons
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Mar 1, 2022, at 1:29 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >>
> >> A neighbor of ours had all his tools and the three bladed prop for his
> >> Cessna 210 stolen one night by thieves that removed the screws from a
> panel
> >> of the sheet metal on his hangar. Instant door.
> >
> > That's why professional mechanics have those spendy big toolchests.
> > They lock, fairly securely, and the sheet metal's too thick to peel
> easily.
> > They're heavy, and fairly difficult to transport.  (My brother hires a
> rollback
> > wrecker.)  I suspect you can lo-jack them too, these days.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

That’s why you have dogs and weapons 

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> On Mar 1, 2022, at 1:29 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> A neighbor of ours had all his tools and the three bladed prop for his
>> Cessna 210 stolen one night by thieves that removed the screws from a panel
>> of the sheet metal on his hangar. Instant door.
> 
> That's why professional mechanics have those spendy big toolchests.
> They lock, fairly securely, and the sheet metal's too thick to peel easily.
> They're heavy, and fairly difficult to transport.  (My brother hires a 
> rollback
> wrecker.)  I suspect you can lo-jack them too, these days.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> A neighbor of ours had all his tools and the three bladed prop for his
> Cessna 210 stolen one night by thieves that removed the screws from a panel
> of the sheet metal on his hangar. Instant door.

That's why professional mechanics have those spendy big toolchests.
They lock, fairly securely, and the sheet metal's too thick to peel easily.
They're heavy, and fairly difficult to transport.  (My brother hires a rollback
wrecker.)  I suspect you can lo-jack them too, these days.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Cargo ship descends to Davy's Locker

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

How does the insurance work in situations like this? I would guess there are 
multiple parties involved, at least: the cargo ship owners, the shipping 
company that the ship is leased or contracted with, and the many different 
owners of the goods being transported.


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> was on its way to a port about 5 miles from where I live.  car import
> terminal. fortunately no vintage Benzes.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[OK Don via Mercedes]

A neighbor of ours had all his tools and the three bladed prop for his
Cessna 210 stolen one night by thieves that removed the screws from a panel
of the sheet metal on his hangar. Instant door.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 8:29 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Big knife, machete.  Peel your way in like a can opener, would take mere
> seconds.
> Wouldn't want the door to swing inwards, very inconvenient regards
> occupying
> valuable space.  It's probably best the way it is.  Are there big-boy
> versions of
> those hidden cabinet hinges?
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Cargo ship descends to Davy's Locker

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was on its way to a port about 5 miles from where I live.  car import
terminal. fortunately no vintage Benzes.

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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

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Ouch.

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> But really, how could anyone find anything in your shop to be able to
> steal?
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 1, 2022, at 10:24 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I wasn't that old when it occurred.  Maybe 6 or 7.
> >
> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 12:20 PM Allan Streib 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> That fire was in 1911. How old are you??
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >>
> >> I grew up with memories of the infamous Triangle Fire that trapped
> >> hundreds of women behind exit doors that opened inward. Yet, our entry
> door
> >> opens in rather than out.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:21 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The main entry doors on all my homes has always opened inwards. Not sure
> >> if a different code would apply to a non-residential building like a
> shop
> >> or garage?
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Isn’t it fire code it has to open outward? Although there are probably
> >>> no fire codes in Okieland.
> >>>
> >>> AZBob
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On Mar 1, 2022, at 7:41 AM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> 
>  Roll up door with a hand operated chain drive to roll it up, instead
> of
>  electric. Then if the electric goes out you can operate the door. The
> >> roll
>  up door takes up the least space since you don't have the overhead
> rails
>  like garage doors with spring assist, ect.
>  No hinges to deal with, and the up/down rails are inside the building
> so
>  they can be sealed off from wind and water incursion.
>  Cost a bit more, IMHO, worth it.
> 
> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:29 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Big knife, machete.  Peel your way in like a can opener, would take
> >> mere
> > seconds.
> > Wouldn't want the door to swing inwards, very inconvenient regards
> > occupying
> > valuable space.  It's probably best the way it is.  Are there big-boy
> > versions of
> > those hidden cabinet hinges?
> >
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[MBZ] Cargo ship descends to Davy's Locker

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

But really, how could anyone find anything in your shop to be able to steal? 

AZBob

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> On Mar 1, 2022, at 10:24 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, I wasn't that old when it occurred.  Maybe 6 or 7.
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 12:20 PM Allan Streib  wrote:
>> 
>> That fire was in 1911. How old are you??
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> 
>> I grew up with memories of the infamous Triangle Fire that trapped
>> hundreds of women behind exit doors that opened inward. Yet, our entry door
>> opens in rather than out.
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:21 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The main entry doors on all my homes has always opened inwards. Not sure
>> if a different code would apply to a non-residential building like a shop
>> or garage?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Isn’t it fire code it has to open outward? Although there are probably
>>> no fire codes in Okieland.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 1, 2022, at 7:41 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
 
 Roll up door with a hand operated chain drive to roll it up, instead of
 electric. Then if the electric goes out you can operate the door. The
>> roll
 up door takes up the least space since you don't have the overhead rails
 like garage doors with spring assist, ect.
 No hinges to deal with, and the up/down rails are inside the building so
 they can be sealed off from wind and water incursion.
 Cost a bit more, IMHO, worth it.
 
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:29 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Big knife, machete.  Peel your way in like a can opener, would take
>> mere
> seconds.
> Wouldn't want the door to swing inwards, very inconvenient regards
> occupying
> valuable space.  It's probably best the way it is.  Are there big-boy
> versions of
> those hidden cabinet hinges?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

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Well, I wasn't that old when it occurred.  Maybe 6 or 7.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 12:20 PM Allan Streib  wrote:

> That fire was in 1911. How old are you??
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> I grew up with memories of the infamous Triangle Fire that trapped
> hundreds of women behind exit doors that opened inward. Yet, our entry door
> opens in rather than out.
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:21 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> The main entry doors on all my homes has always opened inwards. Not sure
> if a different code would apply to a non-residential building like a shop
> or garage?
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> > Isn’t it fire code it has to open outward? Although there are probably
> > no fire codes in Okieland.
> >
> > AZBob
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 1, 2022, at 7:41 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Roll up door with a hand operated chain drive to roll it up, instead of
> >> electric. Then if the electric goes out you can operate the door. The
> roll
> >> up door takes up the least space since you don't have the overhead rails
> >> like garage doors with spring assist, ect.
> >> No hinges to deal with, and the up/down rails are inside the building so
> >> they can be sealed off from wind and water incursion.
> >> Cost a bit more, IMHO, worth it.
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:29 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Big knife, machete.  Peel your way in like a can opener, would take
> mere
> >>> seconds.
> >>> Wouldn't want the door to swing inwards, very inconvenient regards
> >>> occupying
> >>> valuable space.  It's probably best the way it is.  Are there big-boy
> >>> versions of
> >>> those hidden cabinet hinges?
> >>>
> >>> -- Jim
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

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Didn't realize you were talking about the pedestrian door. Use, steel, 
and put the bar on the outside. Set it up so that it can be locked in 
the open position so that you cannot be locked inside the garage.



On 01/03/2022 10:57 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

How do I get out of the shop once the bar is in place?

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 1, 2022, at 10:44 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
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Install a big bar across on the inside that slides into pockets of some sort 
on both sides of the door. Removing the hinges would not permit it to open.

I would like one of the hinged doors like they have on aircraft hangars. Opens 
out and up so is out of the way.

Randy


On 28/02/2022 9:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
One thing that has always bothered me about my shop is the door.  It opens 
outward with the hinges outside.  It does have set screws that can only be 
accessed with the door open so the hinge pins can't be easily popped out.  That 
would not stop somebody from with enough time and nobody around from simply 
cutting the hinges off then just lifting the door out.  Anybody know what would 
be involved with converting this to opening inward?  Would it require a whole 
new door frame or maybe completely removing it and installing it backwards.  I 
have not looked close but the whole shop is metal including the frame, not sure 
how it attaches or removes.

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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

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That fire was in 1911. How old are you??

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> I grew up with memories of the infamous Triangle Fire that trapped hundreds 
> of women behind exit doors that opened inward. Yet, our entry door opens in 
> rather than out.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:21 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> The main entry doors on all my homes has always opened inwards. Not sure if 
>> a different code would apply to a non-residential building like a shop or 
>> garage?
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> > Isn’t it fire code it has to open outward? Although there are probably 
>> > no fire codes in Okieland.   
>> >
>> > AZBob
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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>> >> On Mar 1, 2022, at 7:41 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> >> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> Roll up door with a hand operated chain drive to roll it up, instead of
>> >> electric. Then if the electric goes out you can operate the door. The roll
>> >> up door takes up the least space since you don't have the overhead rails
>> >> like garage doors with spring assist, ect.
>> >> No hinges to deal with, and the up/down rails are inside the building so
>> >> they can be sealed off from wind and water incursion.
>> >> Cost a bit more, IMHO, worth it.
>> >> 
>> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:29 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> Big knife, machete.  Peel your way in like a can opener, would take mere
>> >>> seconds.
>> >>> Wouldn't want the door to swing inwards, very inconvenient regards
>> >>> occupying
>> >>> valuable space.  It's probably best the way it is.  Are there big-boy
>> >>> versions of
>> >>> those hidden cabinet hinges?
>> >>> 
>> >>> -- Jim
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I would simply ask "what would I need to do to make this showroom perfect?"

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I much prefer the fancy wood from this vintage to the later burled walnut
interior starting in 2014 (?)

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Re: [MBZ] Fixed the bumper

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How ghetto.  Use WHITE tape!

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Re: [MBZ] Fixed the bumper

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It’s gorilla tape 

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> On Mar 1, 2022, at 10:55 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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> Is that 200 mph tape like they use in NASCAR?
> 
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>> On 01/03/2022 10:48 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> This should be fine, right?
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

How do I get out of the shop once the bar is in place?

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> On Mar 1, 2022, at 10:44 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Install a big bar across on the inside that slides into pockets of some sort 
> on both sides of the door. Removing the hinges would not permit it to open.
> 
> I would like one of the hinged doors like they have on aircraft hangars. 
> Opens out and up so is out of the way.
> 
> Randy
> 
>> On 28/02/2022 9:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> One thing that has always bothered me about my shop is the door.  It opens 
>> outward with the hinges outside.  It does have set screws that can only be 
>> accessed with the door open so the hinge pins can't be easily popped out.  
>> That would not stop somebody from with enough time and nobody around from 
>> simply cutting the hinges off then just lifting the door out.  Anybody know 
>> what would be involved with converting this to opening inward?  Would it 
>> require a whole new door frame or maybe completely removing it and 
>> installing it backwards.  I have not looked close but the whole shop is 
>> metal including the frame, not sure how it attaches or removes.
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Re: [MBZ] Fixed the bumper

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Is that 200 mph tape like they use in NASCAR?


On 01/03/2022 10:48 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

This should be fine, right?



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[MBZ] Fixed the bumper

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

This should be fine, right?



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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Install a big bar across on the inside that slides into pockets of some 
sort on both sides of the door. Removing the hinges would not permit it 
to open.


I would like one of the hinged doors like they have on aircraft hangars. 
Opens out and up so is out of the way.


Randy

On 28/02/2022 9:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
One thing that has always bothered me about my shop is the door.  It 
opens outward with the hinges outside.  It does have set screws that 
can only be accessed with the door open so the hinge pins can't be 
easily popped out.  That would not stop somebody from with enough time 
and nobody around from simply cutting the hinges off then just lifting 
the door out.  Anybody know what would be involved with converting 
this to opening inward?  Would it require a whole new door frame or 
maybe completely removing it and installing it backwards.  I have not 
looked close but the whole shop is metal including the frame, not sure 
how it attaches or removes.


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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I grew up with memories of the infamous Triangle Fire that trapped hundreds
> of women behind exit doors that opened inward. Yet, our entry door opens in
> rather than out.

In rather than out is safer, in general, because you can't block somebody in
just by putting something big in front of the door.  So, that's code for 
residences.
With the extenuating circumstances of potential _crowds_, subject to panic and 
in
sufficient quantities to roll against an un-blocked inward-opening door turning 
the
door itself into a block, the code is reversed for public spaces.

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Re: [MBZ] Premium

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

All you really need is a spouse who is a New Zealander. I had clients 
who moved there. She was originally from New Zealand and had somehow 
ended up here and married a Canadian. Their biggest issue was that they 
had a couple of cats and the cats had to be kept in quarantine for a 
month or two once they got to NZ.


Randy


On 28/02/2022 5:36 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Good luck getting into New Zealand or Aussieland. To be a sovereign citizen 
you’ve got to bring a business that will employ locals and/or a boatload of 
cash that will be on deposit or working capital there.

A former associate has relatives that moved to NZ permanently, and it took a 
ton ‘o’ cash for them to even be considered. One way around it is to be 
employed in an area where there is high demand, like medicine.

-D

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New Zealand where all the multi billionaire's have property as a hedge against 
certain occurances.


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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Could be. Perhaps I will just leave it. Would like to do something about the 
exposed hinges though. 

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> On Mar 1, 2022, at 10:16 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Isn’t it fire code it has to open outward? Although there are probably no 
> fire codes in Okieland.   
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 7:41 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Roll up door with a hand operated chain drive to roll it up, instead of
>> electric. Then if the electric goes out you can operate the door. The roll
>> up door takes up the least space since you don't have the overhead rails
>> like garage doors with spring assist, ect.
>> No hinges to deal with, and the up/down rails are inside the building so
>> they can be sealed off from wind and water incursion.
>> Cost a bit more, IMHO, worth it.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:29 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Big knife, machete.  Peel your way in like a can opener, would take mere
>>> seconds.
>>> Wouldn't want the door to swing inwards, very inconvenient regards
>>> occupying
>>> valuable space.  It's probably best the way it is.  Are there big-boy
>>> versions of
>>> those hidden cabinet hinges?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I grew up with memories of the infamous Triangle Fire that trapped hundreds
of women behind exit doors that opened inward. Yet, our entry door opens in
rather than out.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:21 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The main entry doors on all my homes has always opened inwards. Not sure
> if a different code would apply to a non-residential building like a shop
> or garage?
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> > Isn’t it fire code it has to open outward? Although there are probably
> > no fire codes in Okieland.
> >
> > AZBob
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 1, 2022, at 7:41 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Roll up door with a hand operated chain drive to roll it up, instead of
> >> electric. Then if the electric goes out you can operate the door. The
> roll
> >> up door takes up the least space since you don't have the overhead rails
> >> like garage doors with spring assist, ect.
> >> No hinges to deal with, and the up/down rails are inside the building so
> >> they can be sealed off from wind and water incursion.
> >> Cost a bit more, IMHO, worth it.
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:29 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Big knife, machete.  Peel your way in like a can opener, would take
> mere
> >>> seconds.
> >>> Wouldn't want the door to swing inwards, very inconvenient regards
> >>> occupying
> >>> valuable space.  It's probably best the way it is.  Are there big-boy
> >>> versions of
> >>> those hidden cabinet hinges?
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

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The main entry doors on all my homes has always opened inwards. Not sure if a 
different code would apply to a non-residential building like a shop or garage?


On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> Isn’t it fire code it has to open outward? Although there are probably 
> no fire codes in Okieland.   
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 7:41 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Roll up door with a hand operated chain drive to roll it up, instead of
>> electric. Then if the electric goes out you can operate the door. The roll
>> up door takes up the least space since you don't have the overhead rails
>> like garage doors with spring assist, ect.
>> No hinges to deal with, and the up/down rails are inside the building so
>> they can be sealed off from wind and water incursion.
>> Cost a bit more, IMHO, worth it.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:29 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Big knife, machete.  Peel your way in like a can opener, would take mere
>>> seconds.
>>> Wouldn't want the door to swing inwards, very inconvenient regards
>>> occupying
>>> valuable space.  It's probably best the way it is.  Are there big-boy
>>> versions of
>>> those hidden cabinet hinges?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Isn’t it fire code it has to open outward? Although there are probably no fire 
codes in Okieland.   

AZBob

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> On Mar 1, 2022, at 7:41 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Roll up door with a hand operated chain drive to roll it up, instead of
> electric. Then if the electric goes out you can operate the door. The roll
> up door takes up the least space since you don't have the overhead rails
> like garage doors with spring assist, ect.
> No hinges to deal with, and the up/down rails are inside the building so
> they can be sealed off from wind and water incursion.
> Cost a bit more, IMHO, worth it.
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:29 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Big knife, machete.  Peel your way in like a can opener, would take mere
>> seconds.
>> Wouldn't want the door to swing inwards, very inconvenient regards
>> occupying
>> valuable space.  It's probably best the way it is.  Are there big-boy
>> versions of
>> those hidden cabinet hinges?
>> 
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[MBZ] How many speakers can YOU fit in a GL? 2007 Mercedes-Benz GL-Class GL 450 Sport Utility 4D, $7, 000

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Runs and drives. Has a check engine light

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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

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Roll up door with a hand operated chain drive to roll it up, instead of
electric. Then if the electric goes out you can operate the door. The roll
up door takes up the least space since you don't have the overhead rails
like garage doors with spring assist, ect.
No hinges to deal with, and the up/down rails are inside the building so
they can be sealed off from wind and water incursion.
Cost a bit more, IMHO, worth it.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:29 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> Big knife, machete.  Peel your way in like a can opener, would take mere
> seconds.
> Wouldn't want the door to swing inwards, very inconvenient regards
> occupying
> valuable space.  It's probably best the way it is.  Are there big-boy
> versions of
> those hidden cabinet hinges?
>
> -- Jim
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[MBZ] 2017 Forest River forester mbs 2401r mercedes benz diesel b class motorhome, $99, 900

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That engine must be working hard to lug this thing around but it looks 
pretty nice


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/447748410419793

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[MBZ] THIS is what I need 450 Mercedes w/automatic, 2007 Freightliner columbia, $300

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The whole rig

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/958565364785836


   Seller's Description

2007 Freightliner Columbia · Truck · Driven 54,000 miles 2007 
Freightliner with 17’ United Specialties body, one slide. 54,000 
original miles on NEW slider, 450 Mercedes w/automatic, semi fifth 
wheel, gooseneck and receiver. 10kw QD Onan .. $ 185K 1995 Champion 
53’ tilt screw liftgate all aluminum single slide, Altalab (updated 
2022)weather station, diesel generator, lista cabinets, air compressor, 
engine changer, dual air, sleeps 3+ w/full shower and bathroom/ living 
area. End of 2021 6 new Michelin’s 6 new air bags and all new brake 
cans $ 150K If the ad is visible it’s still available. I 
WILL NOT respond to “ is this still available “ Truck.. $185K 
Trailer. $150K Package..$300K


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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Big knife, machete.  Peel your way in like a can opener, would take mere 
seconds.
Wouldn't want the door to swing inwards, very inconvenient regards occupying
valuable space.  It's probably best the way it is.  Are there big-boy versions 
of
those hidden cabinet hinges?

-- Jim


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[MBZ] Will not drive all over the city to meet you, Please don't ask what's wrong with the car. 2004 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Sedan 4D, $4, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Let's all send a msg asking what's wrong with the car

All the portals open!

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/679052046762941

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[MBZ] Don't bother to wash it or take out the nasty cheap floor mats 2004 Mercedes-Benz S-Class S 600 Sedan 4D, $11, 997

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Def worth $12k

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/367258848735707

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[MBZ] 2003 ML with or without, vintage Indian motorcycle replica. 2003 Mercede ML 350 - $3, 000 (DAYTONA BEACH)

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https://daytona.craigslist.org/cto/d/daytona-beach-2003-mercede-ml-350/7451995582.html

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[MBZ] Before the engine locked up after getting overheated, ***STILL AVAILABLE***1985 Mercedes Turbo Deisel, very low mileage!! - $1, 500 (Jacksonville)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

If you have an engine sitting around this car looks pretty nice

https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksonville-still-available1985/7452130710.html

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