Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Hard to say, and one of the reasons why I asked my agent about it. Understand 
that everyone has an “insurance score” like a credit score, and that has a 
significant effect on your premiums. I also have an umbrella policy that allows 
me to “stack” coverages as well, meaning that my auto premiums, all things 
being equal, would be lower that another customer without an umbrella policy, 
because I’m spreading the risk across multiple policies.

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 8:42 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
> I wonder how Hagerty can afford to offer stated value coverage at the same 
> price as Allstate's "average market value" coverage?
> 
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 18:56, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> And just the point to state that I am not an insurance agent, nor have 
>> I played one on TV. You may very well be right, Kaleb, I would have to 
>> look it up.
>> 
>> Still, a car this old should always be on a stated value policy if you 
>> want to protect your investment, no matter how small. No consolation 
>> for the W115, but I’ve had it both ways, with a standard policy through 
>> a mainline insurer (State Farm) or a direct policy through someone like 
>> Hagerty. The policy on my former CL600 was the same price between 
>> “regular” insurance and a stated value policy from Hagerty, which my 
>> Allstate agent represents as well. He pointed out that despite the 
>> equal cost between insurers, Hagerty would pay out stated value on a 
>> total loss, Allstate would go for “retail” and most likely much, much 
>> lower if there was a total loss.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 8, 2024, at 4:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Correct me if I’m wrong, but uninsured motorist is to cover your injuries.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 8, 2024, at 6:00 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Ouch. As we say in my family, “Hindsight is always 50-50,” this is a 
 perfect example of why having a stated value policy is worth it, even on a 
 $1500 car.
 
 I’ve never (knowingly) had a policy that had a limit on property damage, 
 at least not one that low. Wouldn’t this be covered under your uninsured 
 motorist part of the policy?
 
 -D
 
> On May 8, 2024, at 3:33 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Indeed, the fact that the other party is not insured makes this
> particularly bad. While I'm "covered" for that situation, my insurance
> company's limit is $3500 in property damage. So essentially a useless
> amount that won't even cover the fenders, never mind the rest of the sheet
> metal and paint.
> 
> On the bright side, I only paid $1200 for the car. On the dark side, I've
> spent a fortune on replacing the interior, seat pads, engine mounts,
> radiator, yadda yadda. In fact, last weekend I replaced the brake 
> calipers,
> lines, and pads.
> 
> D.
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Re: [MBZ] Perhaps the tornado was closer to Okie Acres than I thought

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

By the way, where I live I just burn limbs and other yard waste from time to 
time as it accumulates, but have wondered about what to do if I really wanted 
to clear out some substantial areas. Has anyone ever rented a commercial-type 
wood chipper? Are they difficult to operate safely, and if you chip up invasive 
stuff like honeysuckle should you not use that as mulch?


On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 19:05, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> Oh my. 
>
> Better re-read the chainsaw thread. 
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 8, 2024, at 4:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I was out of town when it came thru the other day. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Ah yes good point I forgot about the EV tax credit. Sorta thought those had 
expired, but I guess they were renewed?

By the way, registering an EV is quite expensive here, because they need to 
make up for the loss of road fuel tax you'll no longer be paying. Another thing 
nobody tells you in advance.

On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 20:16, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> On 2024-05-08 17:37, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Out of curiosity I checked our local Chevy dealer's website.
>> 
>> One new 2023 Bolt "EUV LT" asking $31k, one used (23k miles) appears to 
>> be exactly the same model, asking $22k.
>> 
>> So owned one year and has lost nearly 1/3 of its value.
>
> At first glance, $7500 of that is in the new vehicle tax credit.
> There are used EV credits starting in tax year 2023, but it's unclear as 
> to whether the $22k car qualifies.
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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I wonder how Hagerty can afford to offer stated value coverage at the same 
price as Allstate's "average market value" coverage?

On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 18:56, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> And just the point to state that I am not an insurance agent, nor have 
> I played one on TV. You may very well be right, Kaleb, I would have to 
> look it up.
>
> Still, a car this old should always be on a stated value policy if you 
> want to protect your investment, no matter how small. No consolation 
> for the W115, but I’ve had it both ways, with a standard policy through 
> a mainline insurer (State Farm) or a direct policy through someone like 
> Hagerty. The policy on my former CL600 was the same price between 
> “regular” insurance and a stated value policy from Hagerty, which my 
> Allstate agent represents as well. He pointed out that despite the 
> equal cost between insurers, Hagerty would pay out stated value on a 
> total loss, Allstate would go for “retail” and most likely much, much 
> lower if there was a total loss.
>
> -D
>
>> On May 8, 2024, at 4:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Correct me if I’m wrong, but uninsured motorist is to cover your injuries.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 8, 2024, at 6:00 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ouch. As we say in my family, “Hindsight is always 50-50,” this is a 
>>> perfect example of why having a stated value policy is worth it, even on a 
>>> $1500 car.
>>> 
>>> I’ve never (knowingly) had a policy that had a limit on property damage, at 
>>> least not one that low. Wouldn’t this be covered under your uninsured 
>>> motorist part of the policy?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On May 8, 2024, at 3:33 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Indeed, the fact that the other party is not insured makes this
 particularly bad. While I'm "covered" for that situation, my insurance
 company's limit is $3500 in property damage. So essentially a useless
 amount that won't even cover the fenders, never mind the rest of the sheet
 metal and paint.
 
 On the bright side, I only paid $1200 for the car. On the dark side, I've
 spent a fortune on replacing the interior, seat pads, engine mounts,
 radiator, yadda yadda. In fact, last weekend I replaced the brake calipers,
 lines, and pads.
 
 D.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> So owned one year and has lost nearly 1/3 of its value.


People continue to think of vehicles as capital equipment, but all
modern designs, and _especially_ EV's, are designed and built
as commodity consumables.

Once this fact really sinks in to the public, expect used non-classic
vehicle prices to plummet, and stay there.  In other words, there will
be a 'tipping point' when reality finally registers.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

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On 2024-05-08 17:37, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Out of curiosity I checked our local Chevy dealer's website.

One new 2023 Bolt "EUV LT" asking $31k, one used (23k miles) appears to 
be exactly the same model, asking $22k.


So owned one year and has lost nearly 1/3 of its value.


At first glance, $7500 of that is in the new vehicle tax credit.
There are used EV credits starting in tax year 2023, but it's unclear as 
to whether the $22k car qualifies.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - How to Get a Network Connection in the Detached Garage

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> they'd hook up for $100 if you signed up in advance and it would have been 
> $1500-2000 to hook up if she did it later.

Sounds about right.  Random access vs sequential Ditch-Witchery.

If fiber came here I'd be on it in a flash.  But it's about 2 miles away.
(They put it in to get to what is now the closest cell tower.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - How to Get a Network Connection in the Detached Garage

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I'm guessing that the county sold them an easement on the right of way, but I 
> don't see how that's legal.

Why wouldn't that be legal?  They have the right to do pretty much whatever 
they want
on a road right-of-way easement.  More fiber is always a Good Thing, is it not? 
 :-)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You don't lose it, you're just not using it right now. You can charge to 100% 
whenever you want.
Lets be honest though, everybody knows the stated range is a lie. Just like 
stated horsepower on gas engines is a lie...

The same is true for your phone BTW. If you charge your phone to 100% every 
night the battery won't last as long. My current Motorola will generally go 2 
days on one charge and I let it do so. If it runs short during the day I charge 
it however much I have time for right this moment.

Time will tell if it helps or not...

-Curt


On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 08:12:26 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Hoovie just posted a vid on his Cybertruck and had the Weezurd do an inspection 
on it. 

He also mentioned that in daily use it only charges to 80% to preserve the 
battery. If you want to go on a trip you can charge it to 100%. WTF?  So right 
off the bat you’re losing 20% of your states range. 

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT - How to Get a Network Connection in the Detached Garage

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

BTW, Midwest Energy and Communications buried fiber in my neighborhood 
this week and it appears they finished this afternoon.


I thought the stake layout meant the trunk line was crossing the road at 
my east property line and running across my yard to the west, but it 
turned out they buried the main fiber on the farm across the road, then 
bored under the road today and buried a junction box near my east line. 
And while the stake was on the line, the installers moved it a few feet 
east so they never touched my property. Which is good, because they had 
a bit of a problem and sprayed a substantial quantity of hydraulic oil 
on the grass. I don't think Mustang is a premium brand for excavators.


I still question how they can even run the stuff with no notice to the 
landowners and no easements. ATT and Consumers Energy have easements 
here, and the county has a 33' right of way. I'm guessing that the 
county sold them an easement on the right of way, but I don't see how 
that's legal.


The woman behind me (house 800' from the road, my yard is 525' deep) 
said that they'd hook up for $100 if you signed up in advance (they 
still haven't contacted me to this day) and it would have been 
$1500-2000 to hook up if she did it later. She's the only one who cares, 
she's got everything up to and including her vacuum connected to 10mbs 
DSL and says all her devices are laggy. I get along just fine with 
either DSL or 4G cellular but all I do is read email, browse web pages, 
and watch the occasional youtube.


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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

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On 2024-05-08 20:11, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
Hoovie just posted a vid on his Cybertruck and had the Weezurd do an 
inspection on it.


He also mentioned that in daily use it only charges to 80% to preserve 
the battery. If you want to go on a trip you can charge it to 100%. 
WTF?  So right off the bat you’re losing 20% of your states range.


I set my iPhones to charge to 80% overnight, and then the remaining 20% 
right before dawn. If I look at a phone that's plugged in and see it 
over 80% I'll unplug it.


If you really want to maximize battery life, keep it between 30% and 70% 
in regular daily usage. But 20% to 80% is almost as good.


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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> WTF?  So right off the bat you’re losing 20% of your stated range.

And a damned good thing that's your option.  If I can double the service
life of my battery with a little planning ahead, than that's to the good.

Batteries suck.  You WILL work with them, or you will Pay.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

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On 2024-05-08 17:13, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
Michigan Mitch, who no doubt has been caught up with tax season, was 
the resident Bolt/Volt expert, as I recall. Hopefully, he’ll have time 
to chime in on this.



I was saving Curt's message to reply to.

In 2012, when GM had one EV (the EV-1 doesn't count, none were made in 
this century and none were ever sold), Volt was a good enough name.


Almost simultaneously dropping the Volt and introducing the Bolt made 
things confusing, Curt would argue stupidly confusing and I can't 
dispute him.


I knew a Bolt was more powerful, heavier and faster than a Spark, with 
enough range to handle even my winter highway commute with single point 
charging. I didn't realize how small it was for a car that heavy until 
the day I actually parked next to one at Meijer.
For some reason the pictures had me thinking it was a 3/4 scale "mini" 
van. But it's not in the same ballpark, or even the same planet, as a 
Grand Caravan.


If I were in the market I might consider a $10k Bolt with a 95% battery.

I wanted to like the Volt, but it's always been heavier, slower and more 
expensive than a Cruze and it shares the Cruze chassis. At least the 
Spark EV blew the doors off the 1.4L Spark gasser.


I wonder what a used Spark goes for these days?
Maybe I should have bought that $9k lemon law Spark I found in Wisconsin 
7 years ago.
But it doesn't have the round trip capacity I need in the winter, and in 
the winter of 2017 the city of Dewitt wrapped their free public charger 
in police tape so I would have been running a 110V extension cord from 
the office if I drove it to work.
If it was blue/blue with level 3 charging I would have bought it. But it 
was black, and the upscale model with black vinyl ("leatherette") and no 
fast charge socket.


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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Yes, there's a separate line for bodily injury etc. Those amounts are much
higher for obvious reasons.


On Wed, May 8, 2024, Kaleb Striplin wrote:

Correct me if I?m wrong, but uninsured motorist is to cover your injuries
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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Hoovie just posted a vid on his Cybertruck and had the Weezurd do an inspection 
on it. 

He also mentioned that in daily use it only charges to 80% to preserve the 
battery. If you want to go on a trip you can charge it to 100%. WTF?  So right 
off the bat you’re losing 20% of your states range. 

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] Perhaps the tornado was closer to Okie Acres than I thought

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I got a nice Husky I bought as a factory refurbished from their eBay store.


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> On May 8, 2024, at 7:06 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Oh my.
> 
> Better re-read the chainsaw thread.
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 8, 2024, at 4:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I was out of town when it came thru the other day.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Sorry to hear that, this sucks.

I can’t speak to the PRK’s insurance requirements, but in Florida, which is a 
no-fault state, the number of uninsured drivers is nothing short of unreal. But 
- even with no-fault, if the other driver is uninsured, you’ll still get boned, 
much like you are now. That’s why I always carried the highest deductible 
collision I could get on my cars unless their value was negligible.

Bummer.

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 5:01 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have no collision coverage on any of my six (now five, alas) cars, under
> the logic that I would never cause an accident and that the other party
> would be insured -- because that's the law. If I did happen to cause an
> accident, my liability coverage would handle the other party's claim, and
> my punishment would be no relief from whatever damages my side sustained.
> 
> Alas, I did not take into account that, unlike my native Toronto, here in
> the US it's not uncommon to have uninsured drivers. Which, given how
> litigious people are here, seems crazy.
> 
> Absent collision coverage, I'm limited to the paltry Uninsured Driver
> coverage, which makes no attempt to represent the vehicle's value.
> 
> D.
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff wrote:
> 
> Ouch. As we say in my family, ?Hindsight is always 50-50,? this is a
> perfect example of why having a stated value policy is worth it, even on a
> $1500 car.
> 
> I?ve never (knowingly) had a policy that had a limit on property damage, at
> least not one that low. Wouldn?t this be covered under your uninsured
> motorist part of the policy?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 8, 2024, at 3:33?PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Indeed, the fact that the other party is not insured makes this
>> particularly bad. While I'm "covered" for that situation, my insurance
>> company's limit is $3500 in property damage. So essentially a useless
>> amount that won't even cover the fenders, never mind the rest of the sheet
>> metal and paint.
>> 
>> On the bright side, I only paid $1200 for the car. On the dark side, I've
>> spent a fortune on replacing the interior, seat pads, engine mounts,
>> radiator, yadda yadda. In fact, last weekend I replaced the brake
> calipers,
>> lines, and pads.
>> 
>> D.
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Re: [MBZ] Perhaps the tornado was closer to Okie Acres than I thought

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Oh my. 

Better re-read the chainsaw thread. 

AZBob

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> On May 8, 2024, at 4:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I have no collision coverage on any of my six (now five, alas) cars, under
the logic that I would never cause an accident and that the other party
would be insured -- because that's the law. If I did happen to cause an
accident, my liability coverage would handle the other party's claim, and
my punishment would be no relief from whatever damages my side sustained.

Alas, I did not take into account that, unlike my native Toronto, here in
the US it's not uncommon to have uninsured drivers. Which, given how
litigious people are here, seems crazy.

Absent collision coverage, I'm limited to the paltry Uninsured Driver
coverage, which makes no attempt to represent the vehicle's value.

D.


Dan Penoff wrote:

Ouch. As we say in my family, ?Hindsight is always 50-50,? this is a
perfect example of why having a stated value policy is worth it, even on a
$1500 car.

I?ve never (knowingly) had a policy that had a limit on property damage, at
least not one that low. Wouldn?t this be covered under your uninsured
motorist part of the policy?

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 3:33?PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Indeed, the fact that the other party is not insured makes this
> particularly bad. While I'm "covered" for that situation, my insurance
> company's limit is $3500 in property damage. So essentially a useless
> amount that won't even cover the fenders, never mind the rest of the sheet
> metal and paint.
>
> On the bright side, I only paid $1200 for the car. On the dark side, I've
> spent a fortune on replacing the interior, seat pads, engine mounts,
> radiator, yadda yadda. In fact, last weekend I replaced the brake
calipers,
> lines, and pads.
>
> D.
>
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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

And just the point to state that I am not an insurance agent, nor have I played 
one on TV. You may very well be right, Kaleb, I would have to look it up.

Still, a car this old should always be on a stated value policy if you want to 
protect your investment, no matter how small. No consolation for the W115, but 
I’ve had it both ways, with a standard policy through a mainline insurer (State 
Farm) or a direct policy through someone like Hagerty. The policy on my former 
CL600 was the same price between “regular” insurance and a stated value policy 
from Hagerty, which my Allstate agent represents as well. He pointed out that 
despite the equal cost between insurers, Hagerty would pay out stated value on 
a total loss, Allstate would go for “retail” and most likely much, much lower 
if there was a total loss.

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 4:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Correct me if I’m wrong, but uninsured motorist is to cover your injuries.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 8, 2024, at 6:00 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Ouch. As we say in my family, “Hindsight is always 50-50,” this is a 
>> perfect example of why having a stated value policy is worth it, even on a 
>> $1500 car.
>> 
>> I’ve never (knowingly) had a policy that had a limit on property damage, at 
>> least not one that low. Wouldn’t this be covered under your uninsured 
>> motorist part of the policy?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 8, 2024, at 3:33 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Indeed, the fact that the other party is not insured makes this
>>> particularly bad. While I'm "covered" for that situation, my insurance
>>> company's limit is $3500 in property damage. So essentially a useless
>>> amount that won't even cover the fenders, never mind the rest of the sheet
>>> metal and paint.
>>> 
>>> On the bright side, I only paid $1200 for the car. On the dark side, I've
>>> spent a fortune on replacing the interior, seat pads, engine mounts,
>>> radiator, yadda yadda. In fact, last weekend I replaced the brake calipers,
>>> lines, and pads.
>>> 
>>> D.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but uninsured motorist is to cover your injuries.


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2024, at 6:00 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ouch. As we say in my family, “Hindsight is always 50-50,” this is a perfect 
> example of why having a stated value policy is worth it, even on a $1500 car.
> 
> I’ve never (knowingly) had a policy that had a limit on property damage, at 
> least not one that low. Wouldn’t this be covered under your uninsured 
> motorist part of the policy?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 8, 2024, at 3:33 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Indeed, the fact that the other party is not insured makes this
>> particularly bad. While I'm "covered" for that situation, my insurance
>> company's limit is $3500 in property damage. So essentially a useless
>> amount that won't even cover the fenders, never mind the rest of the sheet
>> metal and paint.
>> 
>> On the bright side, I only paid $1200 for the car. On the dark side, I've
>> spent a fortune on replacing the interior, seat pads, engine mounts,
>> radiator, yadda yadda. In fact, last weekend I replaced the brake calipers,
>> lines, and pads.
>> 
>> D.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - How to Get a Network Connection in the Detached Garage

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Yes. Running aerial ethernet is a major no-no, for so many reasons. I had 
considered it until I researched all of the issues with doing it, not to 
mention the risks. It’s often quite windy here, so it would be moving on a 
regular basis, also not a good thing - not to mention the potential for damage 
as far as grounding, lightning, etc..

I’ve got a bunch of SFP media converters, so that’s easy enough but not 
necessary, as the converters that are readily available fro many different 
sources don’t need them.

In my networks I only use enterprise-grade stuff, even if it’s used. There’s no 
way I would buy an $18 offshore built fiber or media converter.  Sure, I could 
get the fiber for $18, but do I get the test results? Do I want to run another 
string in a year or two when it breaks or degrades? Nope! I’ll drop $200 for an 
enterprise-grade length of fiber fro a recognized manufacturer that provides me 
with test result for the piece they put together for me.

There’s some stuff I just won’t cheap out on, and one of them is networking. 
It’s silly to do so unless you are willing to compromise the integrity of your 
network and the devices on it.

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 3:56 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Aerial fiber with a messenger.
> 
> When they closed our office, the one that had all the testing labs in it, I 
> scored a few of the longer
> fiber runs from the aerial trays this stuff was laid in.  I thought that if I 
> ever needed some longer
> high-speed runs that it might be useful, otherwise I think the stuff was all 
> destined for the dumpster.
> (They did salvage the 10km fiber spools used for longer-distance signal 
> testing.)
> 
> At the time, the SFP's (and the homes to put them in) were more significant.  
> I also scored some
> of those, from the gear we made.  12-port gigabit switches, two of them 
> SFP's.  (One of these is
> in every AT&T cell tower in the USA.  Or was.)
> 
> Never used the stuff.  And the 10(12) port managed switch has some issues, 
> I'm now using a 24-port
> unmanaged switch, which is a lot less trouble.
> 
> It is NOT code/legal to run copper signaling between buildings.  Anything 
> with its own ground.
> 
>> I can buy pre-terminated multi-mode fiber for under $200.
> 
> A 50m length of terminated fiber is $18 from Amazon.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Ouch. As we say in my family, “Hindsight is always 50-50,” this is a perfect 
example of why having a stated value policy is worth it, even on a $1500 car.

I’ve never (knowingly) had a policy that had a limit on property damage, at 
least not one that low. Wouldn’t this be covered under your uninsured motorist 
part of the policy?

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 3:33 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Indeed, the fact that the other party is not insured makes this
> particularly bad. While I'm "covered" for that situation, my insurance
> company's limit is $3500 in property damage. So essentially a useless
> amount that won't even cover the fenders, never mind the rest of the sheet
> metal and paint.
> 
> On the bright side, I only paid $1200 for the car. On the dark side, I've
> spent a fortune on replacing the interior, seat pads, engine mounts,
> radiator, yadda yadda. In fact, last weekend I replaced the brake calipers,
> lines, and pads.
> 
> D.
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

That was 3 years ago...

-Curt




On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 05:17:52 PM EDT, Allan Streib 
 wrote: 





You may want to think again on the Bolt, or be sure you have good fire 
insurance.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/recall-all-chevy-bolt-vehicles-fire-risk


On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 16:09, Curt Raymond wrote:
> I had to look up the Bolt, interestingly it was to be discontinued at 
> the end of 2023 and then strangely met its sales goals so they've 
> un-discontinued it and claim it'll keep going into 2025 at least.
>
> If I were going to get an EV its the one I'd look for, starting price 
> $27k, listed range 259 miles which we can assume is more like 250. This 
> is not an "around the town car" like people seem to assume. Its small, 
> sure but that's what I want in a commuter car. People bitch about 
> putting in a charging port but ignore what it would cost to install a 
> gas station...
>
>
> GM screwed the pooch naming the hybrid the "Volt" and saving "Bolt" for 
> the EV. I hope whoever made that decision got sacked, they truely are 
> an idiot.
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT - How to Get a Network Connection in the Detached Garage

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Aerial fiber with a messenger.

When they closed our office, the one that had all the testing labs in it, I 
scored a few of the longer
fiber runs from the aerial trays this stuff was laid in.  I thought that if I 
ever needed some longer
high-speed runs that it might be useful, otherwise I think the stuff was all 
destined for the dumpster.
(They did salvage the 10km fiber spools used for longer-distance signal 
testing.)

At the time, the SFP's (and the homes to put them in) were more significant.  I 
also scored some
of those, from the gear we made.  12-port gigabit switches, two of them SFP's.  
(One of these is
in every AT&T cell tower in the USA.  Or was.)

Never used the stuff.  And the 10(12) port managed switch has some issues, I'm 
now using a 24-port
unmanaged switch, which is a lot less trouble.

It is NOT code/legal to run copper signaling between buildings.  Anything with 
its own ground.

> I can buy pre-terminated multi-mode fiber for under $200.

A 50m length of terminated fiber is $18 from Amazon.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I would at least try to keep it and save parts off it. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2024, at 5:35 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Indeed, the fact that the other party is not insured makes this
> particularly bad. While I'm "covered" for that situation, my insurance
> company's limit is $3500 in property damage. So essentially a useless
> amount that won't even cover the fenders, never mind the rest of the sheet
> metal and paint.
> 
> On the bright side, I only paid $1200 for the car. On the dark side, I've
> spent a fortune on replacing the interior, seat pads, engine mounts,
> radiator, yadda yadda. In fact, last weekend I replaced the brake calipers,
> lines, and pads.
> 
> D.
> 
> 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114
> Message-ID: <2b7313dd-013d-426c-bb2b-aacb756b6...@penoff.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Title says it all, Randy.
> 
> David, sorry to hear this, but on the bright side you and your
> passenger(s), if any, were probably able to walk away from this with nary a
> scratch.
> 
> I hope you can get some kind of a good settlement. If it?s any consolation,
> my former 1998 E320 wagon got rear-ended recently, and initially the
> insurance company wanted to fix it. After the body shop got into it, the
> insurer decided they wanted to total the car out. 225k on the clock, solid,
> well-maintained, but was developing some ?patina?, shall we say.
> 
> They offered $5300 out of the gate. I paid $3k for the car in 2017 with
> 175k in the clock as I recall.
> 
> I took the money. Probably could have griped and gotten a little more, but
> I just didn?t have the time to deal with it.
> 
> -D
> 
>>> On May 8, 2024, at 1:21?PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?On 08/05/2024 3:10 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:
>>> On the way home last night, an uninsured idiot ran a red light into my
>>> path. My California 1976 300D, original kaledoniengr?n paint with no
> rust,
>>> took it on the chin. Literally.
>>> 
>>> Both fenders, hood, grille, front fascia, lights, radiator, bumper, etc
>>> etc. Aft of the front fenders everything is aligned ok, apart from
> "minor"
>>> damage to the rear passenger door and quarter panel. The bodywork doesn't
>>> concern me as much as the damage to the frame at the front. The wheel is
> on
>>> a very wrong angle, I fear it is more than just a damaged front subframe.
>>> 
>>> I suspect the car will be written off but will keep you all posted.
> Calling
>>> my agent now.
>>> 
>>> D.
>> 
>> Every classic driver's worst nightmare.
>> 
>> What did you hit and how well did it stand up to the old MB? Is this a
> W115 or a W123? They sold both in 1976.
>> 
>> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Indeed, the fact that the other party is not insured makes this
particularly bad. While I'm "covered" for that situation, my insurance
company's limit is $3500 in property damage. So essentially a useless
amount that won't even cover the fenders, never mind the rest of the sheet
metal and paint.

On the bright side, I only paid $1200 for the car. On the dark side, I've
spent a fortune on replacing the interior, seat pads, engine mounts,
radiator, yadda yadda. In fact, last weekend I replaced the brake calipers,
lines, and pads.

D.


Subject: Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114
Message-ID: <2b7313dd-013d-426c-bb2b-aacb756b6...@penoff.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Title says it all, Randy.

David, sorry to hear this, but on the bright side you and your
passenger(s), if any, were probably able to walk away from this with nary a
scratch.

I hope you can get some kind of a good settlement. If it?s any consolation,
my former 1998 E320 wagon got rear-ended recently, and initially the
insurance company wanted to fix it. After the body shop got into it, the
insurer decided they wanted to total the car out. 225k on the clock, solid,
well-maintained, but was developing some ?patina?, shall we say.

They offered $5300 out of the gate. I paid $3k for the car in 2017 with
175k in the clock as I recall.

I took the money. Probably could have griped and gotten a little more, but
I just didn?t have the time to deal with it.

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:21?PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> ?On 08/05/2024 3:10 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:
>> On the way home last night, an uninsured idiot ran a red light into my
>> path. My California 1976 300D, original kaledoniengr?n paint with no
rust,
>> took it on the chin. Literally.
>>
>> Both fenders, hood, grille, front fascia, lights, radiator, bumper, etc
>> etc. Aft of the front fenders everything is aligned ok, apart from
"minor"
>> damage to the rear passenger door and quarter panel. The bodywork doesn't
>> concern me as much as the damage to the frame at the front. The wheel is
on
>> a very wrong angle, I fear it is more than just a damaged front subframe.
>>
>> I suspect the car will be written off but will keep you all posted.
Calling
>> my agent now.
>>
>> D.
>
> Every classic driver's worst nightmare.
>
> What did you hit and how well did it stand up to the old MB? Is this a
W115 or a W123? They sold both in 1976.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - How to Get a Network Connection in the Detached Garage

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I will have to do something similar at some point, I was thinking to run 
an ethernet cable off the main router to another router and have it be a 
repeater but I guess this is basically the same thing but with fiber.  
What does the garage end plug into?


--FT

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I’ve been struggling with getting solid, reliable Internet connectivity in the 
detached garage of the AZ house. I was pretty much set on a Ubiquity PtP setup, 
as it’s close (roughly 35’) and would be easy to do. But - I can’t get Ethernet 
speeds that way, which for me isn’t an issue, but I’ve got someone occupying 
the “casita” on the back of the garage that I want to be sure has good high 
speed connectivity.

I’ve done the mesh network thing, which has worked well, and borrowed some PtP 
Ubiquity equipment from a buddy who had some “working pulls” that he loaned me 
temporarily. The PtP stuff does better than the mesh setup, but marginally.

So I continue to seek a resolution, and I believe I’ve found it:

Aerial fiber with a messenger.

I can buy pre-terminated multi-mode fiber for under $200. A couple of fiber 
converters ($25/each) and the hardware (drop cable dead-ends) to anchor the 
cable on both ends, and I’m golden.

I think this is the way I’m going. Full fiber to the garage, full bandwidth.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - How to Get a Network Connection in the Detached Garage

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

35' is not so long. You could just run CAT6(a) cable no? Should be a lot 
cheaper than fiber.

On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 17:40, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> I’ve been struggling with getting solid, reliable Internet connectivity 
> in the detached garage of the AZ house. I was pretty much set on a 
> Ubiquity PtP setup, as it’s close (roughly 35’) and would be easy to 
> do. But - I can’t get Ethernet speeds that way, which for me isn’t an 
> issue, but I’ve got someone occupying the “casita” on the back of the 
> garage that I want to be sure has good high speed connectivity.
>
> I’ve done the mesh network thing, which has worked well, and borrowed 
> some PtP Ubiquity equipment from a buddy who had some “working pulls” 
> that he loaned me temporarily. The PtP stuff does better than the mesh 
> setup, but marginally.
>
> So I continue to seek a resolution, and I believe I’ve found it:
>
> Aerial fiber with a messenger.
>
> I can buy pre-terminated multi-mode fiber for under $200. A couple of 
> fiber converters ($25/each) and the hardware (drop cable dead-ends) to 
> anchor the cable on both ends, and I’m golden.
>
> I think this is the way I’m going. Full fiber to the garage, full bandwidth.
>
> -D

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[MBZ] OT - How to Get a Network Connection in the Detached Garage

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I’ve been struggling with getting solid, reliable Internet connectivity in the 
detached garage of the AZ house. I was pretty much set on a Ubiquity PtP setup, 
as it’s close (roughly 35’) and would be easy to do. But - I can’t get Ethernet 
speeds that way, which for me isn’t an issue, but I’ve got someone occupying 
the “casita” on the back of the garage that I want to be sure has good high 
speed connectivity.

I’ve done the mesh network thing, which has worked well, and borrowed some PtP 
Ubiquity equipment from a buddy who had some “working pulls” that he loaned me 
temporarily. The PtP stuff does better than the mesh setup, but marginally.

So I continue to seek a resolution, and I believe I’ve found it:

Aerial fiber with a messenger.

I can buy pre-terminated multi-mode fiber for under $200. A couple of fiber 
converters ($25/each) and the hardware (drop cable dead-ends) to anchor the 
cable on both ends, and I’m golden.

I think this is the way I’m going. Full fiber to the garage, full bandwidth.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] will serve you as long as you maintain it. 1987 Mercedes 300TD wagon - $17, 500 (Valrico)

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Looks like a former neighbor. That’s a short distance from the former FL manse.

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 2:28 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can't figure out how to post photos
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1987-mercedes-300td-wagon/7744835199.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Out of curiosity I checked our local Chevy dealer's website.

One new 2023 Bolt "EUV LT" asking $31k, one used (23k miles) appears to be 
exactly the same model, asking $22k.

So owned one year and has lost nearly 1/3 of its value.


On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 16:38, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> FBMP has several new-ish Chevy Bolts for under $20k, the depreciation 
> on them seems pretty brutal, theres a 2019 for $13k. Down more than 
> half in 5 years.
>
> I haven't driven one yet, ought to.
>
> I suspect GM discontinuing them was hard on the value, I bet a lot of 
> people saw them getting discontinued and don't realize that isn't true 
> anymore...
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 04:32:40 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
>
>
>
>
>
>> All of us have multiple cars, it'd be just a matter of choosing the other 
>> one on a day when the electric car doesn't meet your needs.
>
> Exactly.  I have nothing against electric cars.  I am hugely opposed to the 
> fad,
> and the ill-considered legislative me-too that's going on.
>
> Something like a used Tesla would work very well as a member of our household,
> except that they're outrageously priced.  I hate video games with wheels, and 
> my
> wife hates parking outdoors, but somehow I suspect we'd both manage to adapt.
> Reality will not be denied.
>
> Ideal one would be older, with the 'lifetime' free charging.  And we'd 
> have to arrange
> to mostly _not_ charge at home in order to take advantage of it, 
> cheapskate that I am.
>
> Not that we're looking.
>
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[MBZ] will serve you as long as you maintain it. 1987 Mercedes 300TD wagon - $17, 500 (Valrico)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I can't figure out how to post photos

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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> They offered $5300 out of the gate. I paid $3k for the car in 2017 with 175k 
> in the clock as I recall.

The $100 W115 parts car that I drove for years, in the winter, netted nearly 
$2000
when rear-ended.  This due to rising prices on the few that were left on the 
market.

"Make me whole", that's your mantra.

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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

This morning on my way to work I crested a hill to find a delivery van 
reversing uphill towards me in my lane. Fortunately I was able to stop. There 
are idiots everywhere.

On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 16:22, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> On 08/05/2024 3:10 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:
>> On the way home last night, an uninsured idiot ran a red light into my
>> path. My California 1976 300D, original kaledoniengrün paint with no rust,
>> took it on the chin. Literally.
>>
>> Both fenders, hood, grille, front fascia, lights, radiator, bumper, etc
>> etc. Aft of the front fenders everything is aligned ok, apart from "minor"
>> damage to the rear passenger door and quarter panel. The bodywork doesn't
>> concern me as much as the damage to the frame at the front. The wheel is on
>> a very wrong angle, I fear it is more than just a damaged front subframe.
>>
>> I suspect the car will be written off but will keep you all posted. Calling
>> my agent now.
>>
>> D.
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> I see that it was a W115. It wasn't in your message but was in the 
> Subject line.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Park it next to your Fiero?

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 2:17 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You may want to think again on the Bolt, or be sure you have good fire 
> insurance.
> 
> https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/recall-all-chevy-bolt-vehicles-fire-risk
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 16:09, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> I had to look up the Bolt, interestingly it was to be discontinued at 
>> the end of 2023 and then strangely met its sales goals so they've 
>> un-discontinued it and claim it'll keep going into 2025 at least.
>> 
>> If I were going to get an EV its the one I'd look for, starting price 
>> $27k, listed range 259 miles which we can assume is more like 250. This 
>> is not an "around the town car" like people seem to assume. Its small, 
>> sure but that's what I want in a commuter car. People bitch about 
>> putting in a charging port but ignore what it would cost to install a 
>> gas station...
>> 
>> 
>> GM screwed the pooch naming the hybrid the "Volt" and saving "Bolt" for 
>> the EV. I hope whoever made that decision got sacked, they truely are 
>> an idiot.
>> 
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Need a key everything works good , As is car 1998 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 500 Roadster 2D, $4, 500

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

The facelift R129 and W140 are equally affected, and yes, EIS uses RFID from 
the key or fob to allow the car to start and be driven.

As I understand EIS, and I typically avoid anything related to it, in these 
cars there are 8 “slots” for keys in the system. Obviously, the keys supplied 
with the car are the first. Every time a new key is added, it takes up a 
“slot,” meaning that once you get a total of 8 different keys made, you’re 
done, not that this would be a consideration for nearly all drivers/owners.

There are plenty of people who can “clone” a Mercedes key like this. Where the 
problem lies is in the future - as I understand it, when EIS “sees” another 
“new” key, but not an “official” new key, it locks out all the remaining slots, 
but will allow the clone to work. Any slots left over are no longer available.

So cloning a key could certainly do the job for most, but it’s a one-time, last 
ditch, "I better not lose this key” situation.

If anyone has corrections or additions to this process, I’m all ears. I’ve had 
it explained to me casually by a dealer tech once, so that’s what I’m going 
from.

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 9:53 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> MB (or DBAG) needs to make the tech open source ad let the matrix build new 
> analogs. It’s basically some kind of RFID or coded RF signal. I’m not sure 
> the 129 key itself is actually  coded but obviously the fob has something in 
> it. 
> 
> My buddy had some little box that could read the RF signal from a later Benz 
> fob and duplicate it in another fob “blank” you can buy on Amazon or wherever 
> but the issue seems to be the tech in these particular fobs although I’m not 
> sure. Cars with the earlier EIS needed that unit to make a duplicate but I 
> think later cars like the keyless go versions are just a RF code that can be 
> copied and written. He said he could make them for me if I got the virgin 
> blanks. Once flashed the fob can’t be reused. He made me a new key for the 
> R500, those blanks are like $10. I found the keyless go blank for $40 or $50 
> from some vendor, he said they were on eBay and Amazon too but I searched and 
> it wasn’t clear what was what. 
> 
> He told me that basically if the key is close to the cloning device the key 
> can be copied which has all kinds of issues with theft etc. so if he would be 
> sitting next to someone who has a key in pocket or purse he could clone the 
> key in just a couple minutes. Scary huh?
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On May 8, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That seems even sillier. If MB can make the cars, then they can make the 
>> parts including keys if they want to.
>> 
>> There must also be some form of work-around possible.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>>> On 08/05/2024 11:31 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I’m sure Jamie could provide background if he had time, but as I understand 
>>> it, they couldn’t find a vendor who would/could make them.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On May 8, 2024, at 9:15 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 That is truly ridiculous. Mercedes should step up and make things like 
 that readily available.
 
 Randy
 
> On 08/05/2024 11:09 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Fobs are for sure, not sure about the “Mickey Mouse” hard key with the 
> RFID chips in it. Same with W140s and W163s, too.
> 
> -D
> 
>>> On May 8, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> I think keys for R129s are pretty much unobtainium.  Plus it looks rough.
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1549645479227404
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

You may want to think again on the Bolt, or be sure you have good fire 
insurance.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/recall-all-chevy-bolt-vehicles-fire-risk


On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 16:09, Curt Raymond wrote:
> I had to look up the Bolt, interestingly it was to be discontinued at 
> the end of 2023 and then strangely met its sales goals so they've 
> un-discontinued it and claim it'll keep going into 2025 at least.
>
> If I were going to get an EV its the one I'd look for, starting price 
> $27k, listed range 259 miles which we can assume is more like 250. This 
> is not an "around the town car" like people seem to assume. Its small, 
> sure but that's what I want in a commuter car. People bitch about 
> putting in a charging port but ignore what it would cost to install a 
> gas station...
>
>
> GM screwed the pooch naming the hybrid the "Volt" and saving "Bolt" for 
> the EV. I hope whoever made that decision got sacked, they truely are 
> an idiot.
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Michigan Mitch, who no doubt has been caught up with tax season, was the 
resident Bolt/Volt expert, as I recall. Hopefully, he’ll have time to chime in 
on this.

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> FBMP has several new-ish Chevy Bolts for under $20k, the depreciation on them 
> seems pretty brutal, theres a 2019 for $13k. Down more than half in 5 years.
> 
> I haven't driven one yet, ought to.
> 
> I suspect GM discontinuing them was hard on the value, I bet a lot of people 
> saw them getting discontinued and don't realize that isn't true anymore...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Title says it all, Randy.

David, sorry to hear this, but on the bright side you and your passenger(s), if 
any, were probably able to walk away from this with nary a scratch.

I hope you can get some kind of a good settlement. If it’s any consolation, my 
former 1998 E320 wagon got rear-ended recently, and initially the insurance 
company wanted to fix it. After the body shop got into it, the insurer decided 
they wanted to total the car out. 225k on the clock, solid, well-maintained, 
but was developing some “patina”, shall we say.

They offered $5300 out of the gate. I paid $3k for the car in 2017 with 175k in 
the clock as I recall.

I took the money. Probably could have griped and gotten a little more, but I 
just didn’t have the time to deal with it.

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:21 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 08/05/2024 3:10 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:
>> On the way home last night, an uninsured idiot ran a red light into my
>> path. My California 1976 300D, original kaledoniengrün paint with no rust,
>> took it on the chin. Literally.
>> 
>> Both fenders, hood, grille, front fascia, lights, radiator, bumper, etc
>> etc. Aft of the front fenders everything is aligned ok, apart from "minor"
>> damage to the rear passenger door and quarter panel. The bodywork doesn't
>> concern me as much as the damage to the frame at the front. The wheel is on
>> a very wrong angle, I fear it is more than just a damaged front subframe.
>> 
>> I suspect the car will be written off but will keep you all posted. Calling
>> my agent now.
>> 
>> D.
> 
> Every classic driver's worst nightmare.
> 
> What did you hit and how well did it stand up to the old MB? Is this a W115 
> or a W123? They sold both in 1976.
> 
> Randy
> 
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[MBZ] problem with suspension, 2003 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 500 Roadster 2D, $1, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

even at $1500 this might not be a good deal, although the monoblocks are 
worth a fair amount.  If it wasn't such boring colors I might be 
interested to at least scan it and see what the issues are with the 
suspension.


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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Apparently there is a company coming to SC that will be a battery 
recycler and the state is providing them significant "incentives."


--FT

On 5/8/24 4:14 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Grant, point 3 is wrong, there are giant battery shredders that automatically 
separate batteries into their separate components. They do it inside of a magic 
fluid so the lithium doesn't catch fire as would like to do.

I feel like a lot of the arguments against electric cars are "humans are too stupid 
to make this work." which ignores our ability to make all sorts of stuff work. 120 
years ago all the brightest minds of the age said that gas fired cars were idiotic, why 
pay for gas when you could get a horse? Besides which you'd need to get gasoline 
somewhere, grass was everywhere...

Now that I think of it just about every argument against electric cars now reflects a 
similar argument against gas powered vehicles in the time of the horse. The largest being 
"Electric cars can't replace gas powered cars in every way." well no duh, and 
they don't need to. A 200 mile capacity electric car will replace 80-90% of most people's 
needs. All of us have multiple cars, it'd be just a matter of choosing the other one on a 
day when the electric car doesn't meet your needs.

-Curt


On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 01:05:22 PM EDT, G Mann via 
Mercedes  wrote:





I will remotely consider owning an EV only when they come with a spare 5
gallon container full of electrons for when it is out of charge and out of
range of a place to plug it in.
Point 1: They are over priced
Point 2: Battery service life is limited and replacement costs far exceed
the value of the car when the battery dies.
Point 3: Disposal of the dead and unrepairable very expensive battery
presents a huge environmental toxic waste problem, for which there is no
current or near future solution.
Point 4: Even at the current ownership density, the electrical grid is over
task to provide sufficient electrons to "gas them up", and, strictly from
the engineering view, rebuilding the electrical grid to meet present and
future demands [if we all only drove EV's] would cost many Billions of
dollars, and take decades to approve new power generation plants, since
coal and nuke are now virtually outlawed, all viable streams have been
dammed and producing at capacity, [example, Lake Meade draw down in last 3
years left it nearly empty.]
Point 5: If you give proper consideration to the environmental damage
mining and processing of rare earth materials causes, world wide, to
produce the exotic EV batteries, then add the disposal environmental
problems , lack of ability to recover rare earth materials from the "dead
batteries" the highly touted "EV" comes off the assembly line with an
environmental toxic load that far exceeds its capacity to "Save the
environment"  and that is brand new, never driven, even.
Bottom line, EV's are a man made environmental disaster produced under the
governmental guise of "saving the world"..
{ Short rant complete, note the Mercedes has structurally withdrawn from
the EV marketplace.. }
G. Mann ...

On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 9:37 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The chinee are flooding Euro markets with cheepcheep EVs, in UK they are
like £12k, cheeper than anything any brit or euro builder can build and
cheaper than any other vehicle on the market.  A big RORO dumped off
like a thousand of them a few weeks ago at some UK port.  They are
likely low-powered, low-range tin cans that might appeal to some if they
have travel that would fit within the limitations of a low-end EV.  Saw
a report that the chinee are building so many more EVs than needed for
domestic consumption that they are also dumping them in Germany etc.
where they are awaiting release to the markets (if that happens).  If
the brits and euros cut their own throats with EV mandates and allowing
chinee imports that will be the death of local auto manufacturing, EV
products or not.  Not sure they would be approved for US markets but who
knows what our elected fools will do.

The other issue that is looming as EV adoption increases is charging the
things.  You would need a home charger of some significant capacity to
charge them quickly (probably minimum 40A if not much more).  For those
who don't have their own house where they could install a charger, they
have to rely on public chargers or in their apartment complexes etc.  It
takes quite a bit of time to charge an EV although supercharging can be
fairly fast but 2 problems -- the batteries can't take multiple
sequential fast charges so will drop charge rate and increase charge
time, and if multiple cars are at multi-outlet charging station there is
not enough current from the grid to do them all at once, so the chargers
choke the current among each charger and then it takes longer.  So you
see these long queues at charging stations when everyone decides they
need juice for tomorrow, or they are on a tri

Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

FBMP has several new-ish Chevy Bolts for under $20k, the depreciation on them 
seems pretty brutal, theres a 2019 for $13k. Down more than half in 5 years.

I haven't driven one yet, ought to.

I suspect GM discontinuing them was hard on the value, I bet a lot of people 
saw them getting discontinued and don't realize that isn't true anymore...

-Curt




On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 04:32:40 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





> All of us have multiple cars, it'd be just a matter of choosing the other one 
> on a day when the electric car doesn't meet your needs.

Exactly.  I have nothing against electric cars.  I am hugely opposed to the fad,
and the ill-considered legislative me-too that's going on.

Something like a used Tesla would work very well as a member of our household,
except that they're outrageously priced.  I hate video games with wheels, and my
wife hates parking outdoors, but somehow I suspect we'd both manage to adapt.
Reality will not be denied.

Ideal one would be older, with the 'lifetime' free charging.  And we'd have to 
arrange
to mostly _not_ charge at home in order to take advantage of it, cheapskate 
that I am.

Not that we're looking.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I suspect the car will be written off but will keep you all posted.

Almost a dead certainty, unless yours was a concourse winner.
Sorry, dude.

> I fear it is more than just a damaged front subframe.

Of course.  The subframe isn't actually positioned where it will
take any of the hit, itself.  The unibody is bent.

The right shop could straighten it.  If your car is special enough,
to you, you might pursue that.  These are getting old and rare enough
that it might pencil out, for a good-enough example.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> All of us have multiple cars, it'd be just a matter of choosing the other one 
> on a day when the electric car doesn't meet your needs.

Exactly.  I have nothing against electric cars.  I am hugely opposed to the fad,
and the ill-considered legislative me-too that's going on.

Something like a used Tesla would work very well as a member of our household,
except that they're outrageously priced.  I hate video games with wheels, and my
wife hates parking outdoors, but somehow I suspect we'd both manage to adapt.
Reality will not be denied.

Ideal one would be older, with the 'lifetime' free charging.  And we'd have to 
arrange
to mostly _not_ charge at home in order to take advantage of it, cheapskate 
that I am.

Not that we're looking.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Need a key everything works good , As is car 1998 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 500 Roadster 2D, $4, 500

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Is there no tuner community for MB?

In the VW world I can contact Malone and have the "tune out" the immobilizer 
for my car if I so desire. This is done mostly to allow transplanting the 
engine into a non-VW chassis like putting a TDI in a Jeep, but AFAIK can be 
done for any VW.
I can also buy aftermarket keys for VWs, for most years anyway, that can pretty 
easily be coded to my car with a cheap USB cable.

I'm surprised how little aftermarket support there is for MB.

-Curt


On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:54:23 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





MB (or DBAG) needs to make the tech open source ad let the matrix build new 
analogs. It’s basically some kind of RFID or coded RF signal. I’m not sure the 
129 key itself is actually  coded but obviously the fob has something in it. 

My buddy had some little box that could read the RF signal from a later Benz 
fob and duplicate it in another fob “blank” you can buy on Amazon or wherever 
but the issue seems to be the tech in these particular fobs although I’m not 
sure. Cars with the earlier EIS needed that unit to make a duplicate but I 
think later cars like the keyless go versions are just a RF code that can be 
copied and written. He said he could make them for me if I got the virgin 
blanks. Once flashed the fob can’t be reused. He made me a new key for the 
R500, those blanks are like $10. I found the keyless go blank for $40 or $50 
from some vendor, he said they were on eBay and Amazon too but I searched and 
it wasn’t clear what was what. 

He told me that basically if the key is close to the cloning device the key can 
be copied which has all kinds of issues with theft etc. so if he would be 
sitting next to someone who has a key in pocket or purse he could clone the key 
in just a couple minutes. Scary huh?

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On May 8, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That seems even sillier. If MB can make the cars, then they can make the 
> parts including keys if they want to.
> 
> There must also be some form of work-around possible.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
>> On 08/05/2024 11:31 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m sure Jamie could provide background if he had time, but as I understand 
>> it, they couldn’t find a vendor who would/could make them.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On May 8, 2024, at 9:15 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is truly ridiculous. Mercedes should step up and make things like 
>>> that readily available.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
 On 08/05/2024 11:09 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Fobs are for sure, not sure about the “Mickey Mouse” hard key with the 
 RFID chips in it. Same with W140s and W163s, too.
 
 -D
 
>> On May 8, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> I think keys for R129s are pretty much unobtainium.  Plus it looks rough.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1549645479227404
> 
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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 08/05/2024 3:10 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:

On the way home last night, an uninsured idiot ran a red light into my
path. My California 1976 300D, original kaledoniengrün paint with no rust,
took it on the chin. Literally.

Both fenders, hood, grille, front fascia, lights, radiator, bumper, etc
etc. Aft of the front fenders everything is aligned ok, apart from "minor"
damage to the rear passenger door and quarter panel. The bodywork doesn't
concern me as much as the damage to the frame at the front. The wheel is on
a very wrong angle, I fear it is more than just a damaged front subframe.

I suspect the car will be written off but will keep you all posted. Calling
my agent now.

D.
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I see that it was a W115. It wasn't in your message but was in the 
Subject line.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

What is the efficiency of the fuel supply? Gotta include the transportation 
costs there too, every gallon of diesel burned hauling fuel counts there.

I'm not saying its worse or better, I'm curious about it...

-Curt


On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 02:30:51 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





I would like to see a PSA where the systemic efficiency of EV's was modeled,
using plumbing.  Specifically a water analog starting with a large tank 
representing
the generating station, with dripping pipes and joints that represent the 
efficiency
of the transmission and distribution losses, and a leaky filler hose that 
represented
the charging efficiency of the EV battery.  And a car that drips representing 
the
battery self-discharge rate.

I think the visual image of 'filling' the pseudo-EV using sweating, dripping,
and spraying pipes and nozzles would dismay many of the would-be-smug
proponents, and ought to go a long way towards tempering the unjustified
exuberance that faction currently has.

A nice avuncular voice-over starting out: "Imagine if we could SEE the electrons
we are using to fuel our nationwide EV fleet..."

I believe our grid is something like 50% efficient, leaving out all the ills of 
batteries.
This will NOT be a dry demonstration!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 08/05/2024 3:10 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:

On the way home last night, an uninsured idiot ran a red light into my
path. My California 1976 300D, original kaledoniengrün paint with no rust,
took it on the chin. Literally.

Both fenders, hood, grille, front fascia, lights, radiator, bumper, etc
etc. Aft of the front fenders everything is aligned ok, apart from "minor"
damage to the rear passenger door and quarter panel. The bodywork doesn't
concern me as much as the damage to the frame at the front. The wheel is on
a very wrong angle, I fear it is more than just a damaged front subframe.

I suspect the car will be written off but will keep you all posted. Calling
my agent now.

D.


Every classic driver's worst nightmare.

What did you hit and how well did it stand up to the old MB? Is this a 
W115 or a W123? They sold both in 1976.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've used it, "autopilot" is a really stupid name, you're right, adaptive 
cruise control with a little extra.

I drove in Burbank, CA, heavy Saturday afternoon traffic on the 5 freeway, 
barely any lane markings. It held station just fine for the couple miles I 
tried it. Pretty amazing actually but I kept my hands on the wheel and stayed 
alert like you're supposed to.

-Curt


On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 01:59:36 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Also, Tesla's "full self drive" is a myth, or at least it might not be what you 
think the name implies. It's adaptive cruise control with lane keeping and a 
bit of navigational awareness. 

There are plenty of stories of Teslas in FSD mode slamming into bridge 
abutments, other vehicles, fire trucks with lights and sirens active, etc.

I would be afraid to use it. I might try it on a bright sunny day on a clear 
road with good lane markings, but I'd be watching it closely. Many Tesla owners 
say it terrifies them regularly.



On Tue, May 7, 2024, at 12:49, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> Tesla owners have a blind spot. They think that because the car meets 
> their needs (or they have adapted to its limitations without admitting 
> as much), it would meet anybody's needs.
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2024, at 12:19, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Tesla owner friend of mine drives anywhere/everywhere and is always close
>> to a charging station.  Very cool car, particularly in full self drive.  I
>> would own one if I could afford it.
>>
>> I almost purchased a Mercedes B250E but the 87 mile range was too short, so
>> I purchased a 2015 ML 250 Bluetec instead with a 600 mile range.
>>
>> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 1:05 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will remotely consider owning an EV only when they come with a spare 5
>>> gallon container full of electrons for when it is out of charge and out of
>>> range of a place to plug it in.
>>> Point 1: They are over priced
>>> Point 2: Battery service life is limited and replacement costs far exceed
>>> the value of the car when the battery dies.
>>> Point 3: Disposal of the dead and unrepairable very expensive battery
>>> presents a huge environmental toxic waste problem, for which there is no
>>> current or near future solution.
>>> Point 4: Even at the current ownership density, the electrical grid is over
>>> task to provide sufficient electrons to "gas them up", and, strictly from
>>> the engineering view, rebuilding the electrical grid to meet present and
>>> future demands [if we all only drove EV's] would cost many Billions of
>>> dollars, and take decades to approve new power generation plants, since
>>> coal and nuke are now virtually outlawed, all viable streams have been
>>> dammed and producing at capacity, [example, Lake Meade draw down in last 3
>>> years left it nearly empty.]
>>> Point 5: If you give proper consideration to the environmental damage
>>> mining and processing of rare earth materials causes, world wide, to
>>> produce the exotic EV batteries, then add the disposal environmental
>>> problems , lack of ability to recover rare earth materials from the "dead
>>> batteries" the highly touted "EV" comes off the assembly line with an
>>> environmental toxic load that far exceeds its capacity to "Save the
>>> environment"  and that is brand new, never driven, even.
>>> Bottom line, EV's are a man made environmental disaster produced under the
>>> governmental guise of "saving the world"..
>>> { Short rant complete, note the Mercedes has structurally withdrawn from
>>> the EV marketplace.. }
>>> G. Mann ...
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 9:37 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > The chinee are flooding Euro markets with cheepcheep EVs, in UK they are
>>> > like £12k, cheeper than anything any brit or euro builder can build and
>>> > cheaper than any other vehicle on the market.  A big RORO dumped off
>>> > like a thousand of them a few weeks ago at some UK port.  They are
>>> > likely low-powered, low-range tin cans that might appeal to some if they
>>> > have travel that would fit within the limitations of a low-end EV.  Saw
>>> > a report that the chinee are building so many more EVs than needed for
>>> > domestic consumption that they are also dumping them in Germany etc.
>>> > where they are awaiting release to the markets (if that happens).  If
>>> > the brits and euros cut their own throats with EV mandates and allowing
>>> > chinee imports that will be the death of local auto manufacturing, EV
>>> > products or not.  Not sure they would be approved for US markets but who
>>> > knows what our elected fools will do.
>>> >
>>> > The other issue that is looming as EV adoption increases is charging the
>>> > things.  You would need a home charger of some significant capacity to
>>> > charge them quickly (probably minimum 40A if not much more).  For those
>>> > who don't have their own house where they could install a charger, they

Re: [MBZ] OT - Looking for a Chainsaw?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We've got the regular charger but I think only small-ish batteries. The picture 
I had posted isn't clear, that might be the small battery too. I think the 
small one we have is 2ah, the "big" one is maybe 4. I'd like a 5, the 4 cuts 
out just short of when I'm tired.

The charge time on the standard charger isn't too bad, an hour maybe? Time to 
have a cuppa and relax a bit. The battery will cut a whole loader load of wood. 
So I haul it back and charge my batteries while charging the saw. Or, if I'm 
feeling really froggy, split the load...

-Curt




On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 01:31:52 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Quite true, and something I mentioned previously.

I just dropped a shade under $200 at HF for the saw, a 5AH battery and a 
“regular” charger. I had a gift card for $11, a store credit for a return for 
about $80, so my “net” was around $100 for the total.

I would have liked to get the faster charger, but it was on sale this week and 
they were cleaned out of them.

-D


> On May 7, 2024, at 8:39 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
> When you compare the cost of the Milwaukee you have to remember that with 
> another brand you'll need to buy a battery (or two) and a charger that you 
> would not need otherwise.
> 
> Yes if you already have a compatible HF battery and charger then that changes 
> things. Though I'd guess that a cordless drill would take a smaller battery 
> than a chain saw?
> 
> I have two of the Atlas batteries. The mower only needs one but it has room 
> for two for extended run time. It uses them sequentially. The chainsaw takes 
> one, and it's nice to have another one so that you can swap in a charged 
> battery if you are doing a lot of cutting and drain the first one.
> 
> 
>> On Tue, May 7, 2024, at 09:52, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Thanks Curt and others!
>> 
>> Yes, I have a boatload of Milwaukee M18 tools, so I’m heavily invested
>> in their products. Not sure I can justify the cost of one of their
>> chainsaws when I consider the amount of use versus cost.
>> 
>> I have a Bauer drill from a few years back, not sure how I ended up
>> with it and I’m not sure it’s a 20V one. It’s probably still in a box
>> somewhere, I’ll have to look. The Atlas does look nice, but it’s
>> another system, a road I really don’t want to go down with another tool.
>> 
>> I’ll have a look in the garage today and see what I have as far as the
>> Bauer drill, if I can find it. My local HF has the saw but no chargers
>> or batteries, thanks to the sale they’ve got going right now. Might
>> have to buy the saw and wait a week or two for them to restock chargers
>> and batteries.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Grant, point 3 is wrong, there are giant battery shredders that automatically 
separate batteries into their separate components. They do it inside of a magic 
fluid so the lithium doesn't catch fire as would like to do.

I feel like a lot of the arguments against electric cars are "humans are too 
stupid to make this work." which ignores our ability to make all sorts of stuff 
work. 120 years ago all the brightest minds of the age said that gas fired cars 
were idiotic, why pay for gas when you could get a horse? Besides which you'd 
need to get gasoline somewhere, grass was everywhere...

Now that I think of it just about every argument against electric cars now 
reflects a similar argument against gas powered vehicles in the time of the 
horse. The largest being "Electric cars can't replace gas powered cars in every 
way." well no duh, and they don't need to. A 200 mile capacity electric car 
will replace 80-90% of most people's needs. All of us have multiple cars, it'd 
be just a matter of choosing the other one on a day when the electric car 
doesn't meet your needs.

-Curt


On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 01:05:22 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





I will remotely consider owning an EV only when they come with a spare 5
gallon container full of electrons for when it is out of charge and out of
range of a place to plug it in.
Point 1: They are over priced
Point 2: Battery service life is limited and replacement costs far exceed
the value of the car when the battery dies.
Point 3: Disposal of the dead and unrepairable very expensive battery
presents a huge environmental toxic waste problem, for which there is no
current or near future solution.
Point 4: Even at the current ownership density, the electrical grid is over
task to provide sufficient electrons to "gas them up", and, strictly from
the engineering view, rebuilding the electrical grid to meet present and
future demands [if we all only drove EV's] would cost many Billions of
dollars, and take decades to approve new power generation plants, since
coal and nuke are now virtually outlawed, all viable streams have been
dammed and producing at capacity, [example, Lake Meade draw down in last 3
years left it nearly empty.]
Point 5: If you give proper consideration to the environmental damage
mining and processing of rare earth materials causes, world wide, to
produce the exotic EV batteries, then add the disposal environmental
problems , lack of ability to recover rare earth materials from the "dead
batteries" the highly touted "EV" comes off the assembly line with an
environmental toxic load that far exceeds its capacity to "Save the
environment"  and that is brand new, never driven, even.
Bottom line, EV's are a man made environmental disaster produced under the
governmental guise of "saving the world"..
{ Short rant complete, note the Mercedes has structurally withdrawn from
the EV marketplace.. }
G. Mann ...

On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 9:37 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The chinee are flooding Euro markets with cheepcheep EVs, in UK they are
> like £12k, cheeper than anything any brit or euro builder can build and
> cheaper than any other vehicle on the market.  A big RORO dumped off
> like a thousand of them a few weeks ago at some UK port.  They are
> likely low-powered, low-range tin cans that might appeal to some if they
> have travel that would fit within the limitations of a low-end EV.  Saw
> a report that the chinee are building so many more EVs than needed for
> domestic consumption that they are also dumping them in Germany etc.
> where they are awaiting release to the markets (if that happens).  If
> the brits and euros cut their own throats with EV mandates and allowing
> chinee imports that will be the death of local auto manufacturing, EV
> products or not.  Not sure they would be approved for US markets but who
> knows what our elected fools will do.
>
> The other issue that is looming as EV adoption increases is charging the
> things.  You would need a home charger of some significant capacity to
> charge them quickly (probably minimum 40A if not much more).  For those
> who don't have their own house where they could install a charger, they
> have to rely on public chargers or in their apartment complexes etc.  It
> takes quite a bit of time to charge an EV although supercharging can be
> fairly fast but 2 problems -- the batteries can't take multiple
> sequential fast charges so will drop charge rate and increase charge
> time, and if multiple cars are at multi-outlet charging station there is
> not enough current from the grid to do them all at once, so the chargers
> choke the current among each charger and then it takes longer.  So you
> see these long queues at charging stations when everyone decides they
> need juice for tomorrow, or they are on a trip and hit a charging
> station along with many others, and they can sit for hours waiting for
> the queue to move.  Both these issues are pro

[MBZ] RIP W115.114

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

On the way home last night, an uninsured idiot ran a red light into my
path. My California 1976 300D, original kaledoniengrün paint with no rust,
took it on the chin. Literally.

Both fenders, hood, grille, front fascia, lights, radiator, bumper, etc
etc. Aft of the front fenders everything is aligned ok, apart from "minor"
damage to the rear passenger door and quarter panel. The bodywork doesn't
concern me as much as the damage to the frame at the front. The wheel is on
a very wrong angle, I fear it is more than just a damaged front subframe.

I suspect the car will be written off but will keep you all posted. Calling
my agent now.

D.
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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I had to look up the Bolt, interestingly it was to be discontinued at the end 
of 2023 and then strangely met its sales goals so they've un-discontinued it 
and claim it'll keep going into 2025 at least.

If I were going to get an EV its the one I'd look for, starting price $27k, 
listed range 259 miles which we can assume is more like 250. This is not an 
"around the town car" like people seem to assume. Its small, sure but that's 
what I want in a commuter car. People bitch about putting in a charging port 
but ignore what it would cost to install a gas station...


GM screwed the pooch naming the hybrid the "Volt" and saving "Bolt" for the EV. 
I hope whoever made that decision got sacked, they truely are an idiot.

-Curt


On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 12:20:57 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Current battery technology, while much improved over the old lead/acid "golf 
cart" batteries is still the limiting factor. The energy density is too low, 
the batteries weigh too much, and they have complicated electrical and 
temperature management needs.

The car you are describing sounds somthing like a Nissan Leaf, Chevy Bolt, or 
Ford Focus EV (I think the Bolt is in limbo and Ford don't make the Focus EV 
anymore). They are smaller, and lighter, but as a result they have a driving 
range that is unsuitable for anything but daily local use. Most people want 
more than that if they are spending multiple 10s of thousands on a new car.

Charging is another issue, even if the energy density and weight issues are 
solved you are just not going to be able to pump that much power through a 
standard 15A wall socket in your garage. So you need to have a charging system 
installed, and possibly a service upgrade to your house, which adds thousands 
more dollars. Or rely on commercial rapid charging stations but those degrade 
the battery quicker.

Then there are the batteries, they have a limited lifespan, are not easy to 
replace, expensive to replace, don't perform well in very hot or very cold 
weather, etc. 

There are just so many unsolved problems. Though I like the idea of such a car, 
the reality is that we can't make them yet.


On Tue, May 7, 2024, at 10:58, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> I am not a real fan of the electric vehicles being pushed upon us by the 
> fools who think they are wonderful, but I see enough propaganda on a 
> daily basis to make me think about them.
>
> Some of you folks are engineers etc and likely have a better grasp of 
> this sort of thing than I do, so here are my current thoughts on the 
> subject.
>
> It appears to me that most of the current crop of electric vehicles are 
> high powered and very quick. Some or perhaps most are also all wheel 
> drive. They are also generally quite expensive. They require high 
> powered chargers to charge in reasonable periods of time and the 
> batteries do not last for the long haul and are expensive to replace.
>
> I am wondering why. Would it not make a lot of sense, if one is trying 
> to make a wholesale change to the vehicle world to build lesser 
> vehicles. Use smaller motors that use less power. That should either 
> extend the range or permit smaller batteries of perhaps both would be 
> possible. That should also result in lower electrical use for charging 
> purposes so it would be less expensive to operate them. If the battery 
> was smaller, it should weigh less and special tires might not be 
> required and the tires should last longer. Most would not require all 
> wheel drive so there would be maybe 2 motors rather than 4 of maybe 
> even, only one motor like we have enjoyed in the past. Smaller batteries 
> should be less expensive to replace. Maybe they could even be swappable 
> entities rather than require a lot of work to replace. Despite the fact 
> that "luxury" cars are  popular, there must be a market for more basic 
> cars without all of the electronic gadgetry in cars like the Tesla.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] EV: Part 3 - Daimler to offer autonomous ZEV Trucks

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

What could go wrong 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On May 8, 2024, at 11:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> *Daimler aims to have autonomous trucks on the road in 2027*
> 
> 
> 07:04 AM *|* * (GOOG)
> 
> | *By: SA Editor Clark Schultz, SA News Editor
> 
> Daimler Truck Holding AG (OTCPK:DTRUY
> )
> unveiled its first autonomous truck demonstrator on Wednesday.
> 
> The new Daimler (OTCPK:DTRUY
> )
> truck is based
> 
> on the North American production model of the battery-electric Freightliner
> eCascadia and is equipped with autonomous driving software from Torc
> Robotics as well as the latest sensor and computer technology. The company
> said the components enable the technology carrier to drive autonomously in
> accordance with SAE Level 4 at a later date. Torc Robotics was noted to be
> Daimler Truck's (OTCPK:DTRUY
> )
> independent autonomous driving technology subsidiary.
> 
> While the autonomous truck is still considered a research and
> pre-development project, Daimler Truck (OTCPK:DTRUY
> )
> said it is demonstrating the potential to develop autonomous technology
> into a modular, scalable platform that is independent of drive technology
> and can be used flexibly in various truck applications. Daimler Truck's (
> OTCPK:DTRUY
> )
> goal is to offer customers the right offer for their specific transport
> requirements and purposes through a broader selection of vehicles for
> autonomous driving in the future. The company is also working with Waymo (
> GOOG
> 

Re: [MBZ] Need a key everything works good , As is car 1998 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 500 Roadster 2D, $4, 500

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

MB (or DBAG) needs to make the tech open source ad let the matrix build new 
analogs. It’s basically some kind of RFID or coded RF signal. I’m not sure the 
129 key itself is actually  coded but obviously the fob has something in it. 

My buddy had some little box that could read the RF signal from a later Benz 
fob and duplicate it in another fob “blank” you can buy on Amazon or wherever 
but the issue seems to be the tech in these particular fobs although I’m not 
sure. Cars with the earlier EIS needed that unit to make a duplicate but I 
think later cars like the keyless go versions are just a RF code that can be 
copied and written. He said he could make them for me if I got the virgin 
blanks. Once flashed the fob can’t be reused. He made me a new key for the 
R500, those blanks are like $10. I found the keyless go blank for $40 or $50 
from some vendor, he said they were on eBay and Amazon too but I searched and 
it wasn’t clear what was what. 

He told me that basically if the key is close to the cloning device the key can 
be copied which has all kinds of issues with theft etc. so if he would be 
sitting next to someone who has a key in pocket or purse he could clone the key 
in just a couple minutes. Scary huh?

--FT
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> On May 8, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That seems even sillier. If MB can make the cars, then they can make the 
> parts including keys if they want to.
> 
> There must also be some form of work-around possible.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
>> On 08/05/2024 11:31 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m sure Jamie could provide background if he had time, but as I understand 
>> it, they couldn’t find a vendor who would/could make them.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On May 8, 2024, at 9:15 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is truly ridiculous. Mercedes should step up and make things like 
>>> that readily available.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
 On 08/05/2024 11:09 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Fobs are for sure, not sure about the “Mickey Mouse” hard key with the 
 RFID chips in it. Same with W140s and W163s, too.
 
 -D
 
>> On May 8, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> I think keys for R129s are pretty much unobtainium.  Plus it looks rough.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1549645479227404
> 
> --
> --FT
>>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Need a key everything works good , As is car 1998 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 500 Roadster 2D, $4, 500

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

That seems even sillier. If MB can make the cars, then they can make the 
parts including keys if they want to.


There must also be some form of work-around possible.

Randy


On 08/05/2024 11:31 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

I’m sure Jamie could provide background if he had time, but as I understand it, 
they couldn’t find a vendor who would/could make them.

-D


On May 8, 2024, at 9:15 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:

That is truly ridiculous. Mercedes should step up and make things like that 
readily available.

Randy


On 08/05/2024 11:09 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
Fobs are for sure, not sure about the “Mickey Mouse” hard key with the RFID 
chips in it. Same with W140s and W163s, too.

-D


On May 8, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

I think keys for R129s are pretty much unobtainium.  Plus it looks rough.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1549645479227404

--
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Re: [MBZ] Need a key everything works good , As is car 1998 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 500 Roadster 2D, $4, 500

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I’m sure Jamie could provide background if he had time, but as I understand it, 
they couldn’t find a vendor who would/could make them.

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 9:15 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is truly ridiculous. Mercedes should step up and make things like that 
> readily available.
> 
> Randy
> 
>> On 08/05/2024 11:09 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Fobs are for sure, not sure about the “Mickey Mouse” hard key with the RFID 
>> chips in it. Same with W140s and W163s, too.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On May 8, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think keys for R129s are pretty much unobtainium.  Plus it looks rough.
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1549645479227404
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I would not respond to a whole bunch of foolish. 2005 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 500 4MATIC Sedan 4D, $1, 000

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

No need to ask

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> On May 8, 2024, at 10:45 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like a Floyd car for sure.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 8, 2024, at 7:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The motorist good, the transmission is good. It has a ABS problem, which is 
>> to brake system and get a good car. No title, no title.
>> 
>> No need to ask. I would not respond to a whole bunch of foolish. Questions, 
>> everything is self-explanatory, perfect. You don't want it, don't waste my 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/413109944907901/
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Need a key everything works good , As is car 1998 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 500 Roadster 2D, $4, 500

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

That is truly ridiculous. Mercedes should step up and make things like 
that readily available.


Randy

On 08/05/2024 11:09 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Fobs are for sure, not sure about the “Mickey Mouse” hard key with the RFID 
chips in it. Same with W140s and W163s, too.

-D


On May 8, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

I think keys for R129s are pretty much unobtainium.  Plus it looks rough.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1549645479227404

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Re: [MBZ] Need a key everything works good , As is car 1998 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 500 Roadster 2D, $4, 500

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Fobs are for sure, not sure about the “Mickey Mouse” hard key with the RFID 
chips in it. Same with W140s and W163s, too.

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think keys for R129s are pretty much unobtainium.  Plus it looks rough.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1549645479227404
> 
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[MBZ] Need a key everything works good , As is car 1998 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 500 Roadster 2D, $4, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I think keys for R129s are pretty much unobtainium.  Plus it looks rough.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1549645479227404

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[MBZ] the gearbox needs a shift unit, ACM, taiitl rebil, taires 22R- 7mm. possible in parts

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

 2008 Mercedes-Benz gl-class GL 450 Sport Utility 4D

$2,500

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/25264872223156742

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Re: [MBZ] I would not respond to a whole bunch of foolish. 2005 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 500 4MATIC Sedan 4D, $1, 000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Sounds like a Floyd car for sure.

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 7:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The motorist good, the transmission is good. It has a ABS problem, which is 
> to brake system and get a good car. No title, no title.
> 
> No need to ask. I would not respond to a whole bunch of foolish. Questions, 
> everything is self-explanatory, perfect. You don't want it, don't waste my 
> Thank you.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/413109944907901/
> 
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[MBZ] I would not respond to a whole bunch of foolish. 2005 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 500 4MATIC Sedan 4D, $1, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The motorist good, the transmission is good. It has a ABS problem, which 
is to brake system and get a good car. No title, no title.


No need to ask. I would not respond to a whole bunch of foolish. 
Questions, everything is self-explanatory, perfect. You don't want it, 
don't waste my Thank you.


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/413109944907901/

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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[G Mann via Mercedes]

It seems to me, the script here , as so far written, should be sent to
Babylon Bee, with a release for them to do with it as they wish..
Since their stock and trade is satirical and sarcastic humor, their well
established public vehicle of delivery seems perhaps ready made for a
series of "public service announcements" about the current enamored
public's view on EV's for everyone.
To quote a popular black and white TV show .. "Just the facts, Mam"

On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 4:55 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The electric cars themselves are quite efficient, especially with
> regenerative
> braking.  That is not the problem, other than the self-discharge rate.
>
> But, like the fact that they're ALL _remote_ emissions vehicles, and
> not _zero_ emissions vehicles, the inefficiencies in the _charging_
> side of the equation are never talked about.  And they're... substantial.
>
> The Tesla has to run the AC while charging to keep the battery pack
> cool enough to charge safely.  You think that energy, both what is being
> pumped out of the pack and the energy necessary to do the pumping,
> is free?
>
> "If gasoline-powered vehicles were as inefficient filling up as EV's, this
> is what it might look like."  < cars
> and overhead pipes, spraying out around the filler flap, people ducking
> and running in panic, using umbrellas, etc.>>
>
> "But that's not how it is.  Modern gasoline-powered vehicles are clean and
> efficient."  Etc.
>
> Oh, that PSA ad could be _so_ much fun!
>
> -- Jim
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