Re: [MBZ] Austin TX Rental Car Info?
When I lived in TX, the required beer to drink with BBQ was Lone Star. And my favorite BBQ joint in TX is Timmy Harlow's in Abilene. Regards, Addison (now in CA with no TX BBQ) On Mar 11, 2015, Dwight wrote: From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Austin TX Rental Car Info? Date: March 11, 2015 11:29:19 AM PDT Shiner Bock. Required with BBQ On Mar 11, 2015 2:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What's s Shiner? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Facts
IMNSHO the problem is one group's attempt to control morality and illegal behavior by controlling a thing, i.e. the guns, instead of focusing on the actual behavior of the small number of misbehaving individuals. For example, some nut-job shoots up a movie theater and the response from some is to try to ban the tool that he used rather than advocate for more mental health programs to deal with the cause of the shooting. As Dan said, there is a need for more mental health resources for those that need it. In so doing, the controls advocated by the ban group infringe on the rights of the vast majority that do not exhibit the criminal behavior thus setting up this endless discussion. Regards, Addison (who advocates for my right to self-defense) On Mar 4, 2015, Dan wrote: From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 4, 2015 10:05:28 AM PST I'm not going to intervene unless people get nasty. As long as everyone can agree to disagree and there are no personal attacks I'm OK with things. While I have mixed emotions about gun ownership, I see this as a circular argument that will never go away I also think it points to the serious need for mental health resources being more available to those who need them. Did anyone read about the coed at Oregon who reported a sexual assault, only to have her records shared with the defense attorneys because they fell under the student records laws rather than HIPAA? Or better yet, our selective prosecution where people like David Petreaus who get a slap on the wrist for disclosing secret information while others who did far worse get incarcerated? While I'm not about to renounce my citizenship, I will say this place is messed up. Let the discourse begin. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
Dan, I totally agree that we need to try another direction than the so-called war on drugs. I've been saying for decades that the war on drugs has been lost and has become a huge financial drain on our society. Rather than keeping on locking people up, inducing them to commit more crimes to fund their habits, making drug cartels rich, etc., we need to at least investigate some other possible ways to control drug use. Just as the attempt at alcohol prohibition didn't stop the use of alcohol but enabled the growth of organized crime syndicates, the war on drugs has enabled the growth of even more powerful drug cartels. I've never used drugs and haven't even tried a marijuana cigarette but can see the futility of the path we've been on since LBJ. Addison On Mar 4, 2015, Dan Penoff wrote: From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 4, 2015 2:27:37 PM PST To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com I'm not endorsing Bill Maher by any means, but he did say something the other day on his show that I thought was pretty astute: http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/bill-maher-calls-obama-end-drug-war-free-drug-war-prisoners We lock up so many people in Federal prisons with mandatory sentences for stupid things. This has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs or for that matter, the drug war. It's a giant resource suck of not only taxpayer's dollars but of human resources as well. Just my $0.02. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not the guns yet, but the bullets now. The Apostate has a pen and a phone! --R On 3/4/15 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts (Randy Bennell)
Randy, Automatic weapons have been illegal in the US since the 1930s. You probably mean semi-automatic weapons which pretty much includes most modern rifles and pistols designs of the past century. Addison On Mar 3, 2015, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: From: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 3, 2015 10:00:43 AM PST On 03/03/2015 11:45 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Thank you for your efforts to direct the thinking of these foreign individuals to understand this very special American Right. You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the beauty in a well made firearm. I think it would be interesting to make an AK47 and have watched the video on how to do it. I own a couple of .22 rifles and have been considering something a bit bigger. However, I am happy with the fact that hand guns and automatic weapons are not common in Canada. Let us face it, there are a lot of people out there who should not be permitted to have any sort of firearms. They are stupid, or criminally minded, or careless, or mentally unstable, bad tempered, etc. Being permitted to possess a weapon should require rigorous background checks, formal training, and ongoing checks to make sure things are not changing. Automatic weapons should only be had by the military for war. They should not be sold to anyone with sufficient cash and no obvious criminal record. RB who will now climb down off of the soapbox ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press
Here's a pipeline story, one that helped us win WW2. I imagine they didn't do an environmental impact report before installing this one... https://www.youtube.com/v/Nv9lBqPVuoEfeature=uploademail On Feb 22, 2015, at 5:40 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press Date: February 22, 2015 3:24:09 PM PST No news here. Back in the 70s, I was part of an environmental review for building a pipeline to get jet fuel (JP4 then) to Edwards AFB. Pipelines aren't perfect but they are so much better than truck or rail that the pipeline was a hands-down winner from a safety and environmental perspective. Of course you need to use a lot of the stuff to amortize the cost of building a pipeline -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 4:09 PM To: Mercedes Subject: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OIL_TRAINS_SAFETY?SITE=APSE CTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULTCTIME=2015-02-22-12-00-23 -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press Date: February 22, 2015 3:37:34 PM PST To: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com, Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com And you also have to maintain and repair your pipeline. Most of the resistance to the Keystone XL comes from the history (rather bad, actually) of the owners. They are notorious for large leaks and poor maintenance along with slow and inadequate response to problems in their existing lines, and I think are responsible for the failure due to poor maintenance of the last two very large spills from pipelines. Even with that pipelines are better than derailing trains with exploding tanker cars. It appears that the new design is just as prone to failure as the old inadequate one when you start tossing them around. Tar sands crude requires significant thinning with volatile solvents to move in any way, it is much MORE viscous when extracted than road tar. This makes it worse than ordinary crude. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Andrew, Are you just fooling around with us or do you really believe that the lunar landing photos were faked? I can tell you that I worked for Buzz Aldrin in 1972 and I knew Neal Armstrong (last talked to him in 2007). If they faked the landing they certainly did a great job of continuing the charade for many years. Surely you don't REALLY believe the landings were faked….. Addison Thompson In California where the temps have been in the 80s the past few days From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston? Date: February 13, 2015 7:23:44 AM PST Curt, you just don't get it. The same folks who faked the lunar landing photos have figured out a way to make it appear that the ice caps are melting and glaciers are receding. They are being funded by latte-guzzling liberals who want you to drive a Prius. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Whats causing glaciers to recede? Even if temperature data is being faked the pictures of big lakes where there used to be glaciers doesn't lie.. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston? So if the polar ice cap isn't melting, what do you think has caused the worldwide rise in sea level? The relentless inundation of coastal areas, such as Miami, NYC, Boston and other low lying metropoli? Trick photography? Conspiracy by the renewable energy cartel? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston?
Ahhh…… My faith in the List is restored! ;-) Addison On Feb 16, 2015, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: From: astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston? OMG you don't know me at all. My former partner steadfastly believed the lunar landing was faked, and nothing could shake this belief. That was one of her fatal flaws... On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:44 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I believe that his tongue was placed firmly in his cheek - - - On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Addison Thompson via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew, Are you just fooling around with us or do you really believe that the lunar landing photos were faked? From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in Boston? Date: February 13, 2015 7:23:44 AM PST Curt, you just don't get it. The same folks who faked the lunar landing photos have figured out a way to make it appear that the ice caps are melting and glaciers are receding. They are being funded by latte-guzzling liberals who want you to drive a Prius. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Wilton's computer [was: Re: Schnee]
Wilton, I also heard it said that If there is no solution there is no problem. Good luck! Addison Thompson On his Mac On Feb 16, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Wilton wrote: From: Alice Strickland alice.strickl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wilton's computer [was: Re: Schnee] snip Nothing is hard if ya have all the answers. A problem is not a problem once it solved. Wilton Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Installing HP Printer was Korean malware FIXED
On Feb 4, 2015, Curly McLain wrote: From: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Korean malware FIXED Date: February 4, 2015 2:39:07 PM PST I'm thinking of investing $70 in Eset, an antivirus program that was top rated in Consumers Reports in 2010. Either that or really biting the bullet and switching to a Linux program or Apple. Gerry -- I think the Mac is worth the money. I am tired of fighting with M$ so even though XP was pretty decent. I have been struggling all afternoon to install a HP 2840 CLJ in Mac 10.6.8, XP or ubuntu with no success. on the mac, it starts up a HP setup assistant, which can't find the printer. end of the show... no way to install it manually that I can find. the printer add thing does not find the printer. XP problems, and ubunto is requiring a bunch of command line stuff I don't understand at all. Jury is still out on ubuntu. HPLIP 3.12.2 has to be removed, and 3. 15.2 installed. Who know what happens after that... just found out. got to where I can launch a gui interface. Now it can't find the printer. Same as on the Mac. Stupid HP. Overpriced, and crappy and make you buy a new printer because they won't update the drivers. --- Curly, I just installed an HP printer on my Mac (after the ink nozzle failed on my previous one). Have you tried going to System Preferences/ Hardware/Print Scan? On my Mac, that window has a +/- thing on the left side of the window that allows adding or removing a printer. When I did + it gave me a new screen to add in the new printer. Hope you have good luck. It can be frustrating… Regards, Addison ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Mercedes Super Bowl Ad
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1096502_mercedes-benz-may-have-the-funniest-ad-of-super-bowl-xlix-video ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs (WILTON)
Wilton, Did you ever dial in the crab angle the WRONG direction? I did - once!!! That was a wild touch and go. Addison On Jan 14, 2015, Wilton wrote: From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs Date: January 14, 2015 12:53:39 PM PST To: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com, Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com The FOUR main landing gear trucks swivel. Ya don't dial in runway heading, ya dial in degrees left or right of cross-wind crab to compensate for drift and keep gear aligned with runway heading. As wind changes, ya hafta change the cross-wind crab setting manually. If ya make a series of touch-and-go landings, ya hafta check and set cross-wind crab as necessary for each landing. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs Cool: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-video-shows-that-you-dont-fly-a-b-52-you-wrestle-i-1678846593 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Its coooold out there
Any idea what flight the deer were booked on? Probably heading south on holiday??? Addison On Jan 11, 2015, at 4:00 AM, Curt wrote: From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Its cld out there Date: January 10, 2015 8:19:19 PM PST I saw deer heading from Silver Spring to the DC airport back in early December. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles
Grant, Right on! Very inventive explanation of reality. Addison with as small a footprint as possible On Dec 28, 2014, at 10:39 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles Date: December 28, 2014 9:10:47 AM PST Man will never make the transition from tree ape to ground ape. The tree ape defecates and it falls to the ground, he doesn't care because he doesn't walk in it. The ground ape defecates and it falls to the ground, he doesn't care because he has no where else to put it and does not care to stop eating to stop defecating, so he walks around it, walks through it, or generally blames it on another ape while continuing to defecate himself. There are a group of humans currently dedicated to the false logic that it's not my defecation while seizing on some construct of logic that claims theirs stinks less or makes less mess than anyone else s. All the while continuing to enjoy the full cultural benefits of regular defecation [driving cars, using public transport, shopping in stores where all the goods are brought by smelly diesel trucks, buying goods made in foreign countries which have no don't defecate on the ground [ie EPA] rules, et al. Such foolishness. Most who now make complaint have never built a fire to survive without shelter, never missed an episode of The Kardassians, enjoy the full benefit of public power and transport. Thus, have little to draw from as to why the tree ape became a ground ape in the first place [metaphorically ]. Get primitive if you truly believe. Cast off all the things made by industry and delivered by transportation. Live each winter without heat or shelter [remember, both take energy, which pollute by your logic]. Give up gainful employment, it takes energy to travel to your work, heat and cool the workplace, move the goods.. A.. but you can't do that.. you would soon starve and then stop defecating ... My, ohhh my,,, what a problem... well... back to the trees. which you already cut down to make fire and heat.. and shelter... ooopps.. Grant... Who loves the visible steam cloud coming off the cooling ponds at the local Nuclear power plant. It's not clean, but it moves the large steaming pile of public defecation into the next 35 centuries so he won't have to deal with it in his lifetime.. BS ... We all know what that is. MS ... More of the same. PhD.. Piled higher and Deeper Seems to me, we have PhD's shoveling BS based on the MS principle that somehow we can pick up the clean end of a turd. [Broad strokes here, nothing personal intended]. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Might be a buy!
I have a friend that has lived all over the country and now lives in MD. He constantly complains about how bad the drivers are in MD and sends photos of accidents near his house. So perhaps MD should consider inspecting the drivers instead of the cars…... Addison CL500 On Dec 22, 2014, at 10:41 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Might be a buy! Date: December 22, 2014 10:13:06 AM PST Why wouldn't a new car pass? What could possibly be unsafe in a new car that would make this inspection worth it? I find there very little redeeming about Maryland and you're not helping the case any. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Might be a buy! MD inspection is brutal. It costs $75.00, takes a full hour incouding a road test and NOBODY passes the first time around - even new cars. There is no point in buying a used car here unless the owner agrees to take it through and PASS inspection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules
On Dec 21, 2014, at 3:29 AM, Scott wrote: From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT White guys in white short sleeve shirts with short haircuts and slide rules Date: December 20, 2014 6:47:44 PM PST To: 'Rich Thomas' richthomas79td...@constructivity.net, 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com As shown in the video, pressure recovery at the inlet was critical to generating thrust. If the analog computer burped and misplaced the inlet spike, the resulting drop in thrust was dramatic. This event was called an inlet unstart. The resulting violent yaw motion was the faster than human reflexes. In the early days, the SR yaw autopilot had limited authority and an unstart produced extremely violent motion at the cockpit (which was way forward at the end of a long moment arm). I believe at least one SR disintegrated inflight when the yaw from an unstart exceeded aircraft structural limits. Later in the program, better flight and engine controls mitigated the unstart problem. The SR stands as a tribute to the men (and women) who built and flew it. Those folks knew that anything worthwhile involved risk. Wikipedia has a decent article on this amazing aircraft: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird#Accidents_and_aircraft _disposition Scott The pilot of that SR unstart incident, a test pilot for Lockheed at the time of the accident, is a friend of mine. He was thrown clear when the jet came apart but his systems, operator was killed. He went back to flying and, up until just recently, he was flying the L-1011 launch jet for Orbital Sciences satellite launches. Addison CL-500 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fw: OT - Another non-political B-52 tale - MOVING IN THE BUFF
Wilton, I think that not only has the statute of limitations expired on the windshield, the truck itself has expired (a lg time ago) ;-) Regards, Addison From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: [MBZ] Fw: OT - Another non-political B-52 tale - MOVING IN THE BUFF Date: December 6, 2014 2:50:31 PM PST To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com BTW, Addison, has the statute of limitations expired on that windshield? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How To Repair Maintain your Mercedes-Benz
Curly, You bring back memories. I hadn't thought about the old days for quite a while. I remember Kathy very well and, as I recall, Kathy wasn't treated all that well back then. Regards, Addison '75 450SLC back then…. ;-) On Dec 3, 2014, Curly McLain wrote: From: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] How To Repair Maintain your Mercedes-Benz Date: December 3, 2014 4:40:13 PM PST To: Craig diese...@pisquared.net, Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 18:16:34 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You would have to understand the mindset of the MBCA. It goes back many, many years. Oh. I take it the mindset is not healthy. It was the same group that ran out Kathy Kennel the original MBCA listmom (where the term listmom originated) and former MBCA Pres. I've had no contact with anyone in MBCA since then other than for contact with some former MBCA pres. exchanging Christmas cards and the like. The old group like new MBs and old, and was tolerant of those who keep em running. The new group was all about how much money they could flash, so it was new cars, and $500,000 and over new cars. At an MBCA national driving event, one of that group, watched as his wife totaled a new MB on the track, and later they were laughing about it. Destroying the car meant nothing to them. Just like throwing out a used kleenex.This was before they were part of the group that took over MBCA. It was a bloody takeover. They fired pretty much everyone on the staff. Exec. Director, Publisher, Editor etc. I did not like or approve of the changes. Kathy was a decent lady who did a lot for the club. She was not rich, and didn't drive a new MB. I believe hers was a 71, so it was not acceptable to the money crowd. Not old enough to be classic and worth over $500,000 and not new. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How To Repair Maintain your Mercedes-Benz
I also dropped out of MBCA back then due to the lack of car-oriented activities. Too many dinners and not enough tech sessions and car shows. Addison On Dec 3, 2014, at 8:48 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Curly, You bring back memories. I hadn't thought about the old days for quite a while. I remember Kathy very well and, as I recall, Kathy wasn't treated all that well back then. Regards, Addison '75 450SLC back thenŠ. ;-) Kathy was our RVP when we received the charter for our new section. She came out to present the charter. I supported her for Prez, and later for listmom. I talked to her often during the section formation process, and developing bylaws. She was a friend, and she put her heart and soul into MBCA and was rewarded by being kicked by the snobs. I tried hard to have section events that covered all the membership. The core came to all meetings, and each type brought in a few new members. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
One consideration that seems mostly forgotten is the environmental impact of wind turbines AND fields of solar panels (visual, wild life deaths, noise - yes wind turbines make noise, etc.). There are a thousands of acres of both in the desert north of Los Angeles and they are a blight. Not to mention that due to transmission losses they have to be sited somewhat near the end users. SO we all get the impacts. AT CL500 On Nov 13, 2014, at 9:05 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines Date: November 13, 2014 8:37:27 AM PST While you jeer, sneer and cast corrosive witticisms from the sidelines, solar and wind power are growing by leaps and bounds, here and abroad. The price of PV continues to plummet, and utilities are warming to the idea of distributed generation (rooftop and community solar and wind). Lots of great things are going on, and it's hard to keep up. It's not my job to educate you, however. On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:23 AM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The only viable solution to over use of energy, it to run out of it and revert to the stone age. So, Andrew, throw away your Ipod, your computer access, all your electrical devices, park your Prius [forever] and learn to kill tasty animals and build fire. All efforts otherwise are futile, accept your fate. Imagine the effect of only one EMP delivered at high altitude over the East Coast. All power grids are now controlled by computers, which are most likely fried by EMP. The last time we had a solar plasma flair the power lines and telegraph lines were melted off the poles.. Feel fragile yet? I offer this to all those who love to worry about things they have no control over.. it helps occupy their minds... ;)) Grant... On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you could make enough power cheap enough making hydrogen would be worth it. In California they may end up using wind power to desalinate water... Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Veterans on the List
Addison USAFJuly 1957-July 1981 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Veterans on the List Date: November 11, 2014 10:12:10 PM PST To: 'Craig' diese...@pisquared.net, 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Scott USAF 1969-1994 -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 4:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Veterans on the List We do have several veterans on the list. As a matter of curiosity, who are you? In what branch did you serve or are you serving? What dates? Here is what I know; you will have to edit and add the rest. Craig Craig USAF1971-1975 WiltonUSAF Max USN Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Even a Bad Landing Makes It a Good Day (Dan Penoff)
Dan, I think that your title is wrong. It is a Good Landing by definition - any landing that you can walk away from is a good landing. At least that's what I've always heard during my 40+ years of flying. :-) AT CL500 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: [MBZ] Even a Bad Landing Makes It a Good Day Date: October 31, 2014 7:14:31 PM PDT To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com That'll buff out: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/watch-this-2-2m-p-51-mustang-make-a-gear-up-belly-land-1650184273 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
It depends on state law in the state the sale occurs. And if it involves interstate transactions, federal law applies. In California, ALL sales, including private party sales, have to be processed through an FFL licensed dealer and have a 10 day waiting period during which the receiving FFL dealer has to process the paperwork and background check. This applies to long guns as well as handguns. I could go into more detail but it's best to just say check with a local dealer to determine state law where you want to buy a gun before going into the deal. AT CL500 and Sig Sauer From: Jim Cathey jim.cathey...@gmail.com Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous loophole: private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is not privately held; none of what you would see at a store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in attempted legislation, things like family purchases, inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. The devil's usually in the details. -- Jim From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com That discussion will lead instantly to politics, so I would avoid it. At this date, private citizens may buy or sell freely, privately owned items. Prudence however would indicate you protect yourself by asking for some form of ID from the buyer, and a written bill of sale, which documents the sale showing you no longer possess the weapon and it's legal transfer of ownership on said date. Should the weapon be used for less than legal purpose in future you can show proof it was not in your possession at that time. This also protect the buyer, in that any claim the weapon was stolen can be put to rest with a legally executed document of sale. [at least prove YOU didn't steal it]. The term gun show loop hole is a handy 5 sec sound bite phrase used to inflame both sides of the issue. IMHO, the moral equal to yelling fire ! in a crowded theater when there is no fire. If it's legally owned, it can be legally sold. If you buy and sell as a commercial enterprise, you need a FFL and all the paperwork that comes with it under current law, which is all that really counts, all emotions aside. A wise man knows the laws before the prosecutor files the charge against him for inadvertently breaking one. Respectfully, Grant... From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com I certainly don't want to wander into the political side of this discussion for obvious reasons, I'm just curious as to the mechanics of such things never having experienced them. If I understand you correctly, sales like those that take place online, such as you would see at gunbroker.com, are considered private sales? I realize they require someone with an FFL to receive the gun, but there is nothing in the way of a background check or anything like that taking place with these transactions, correct? Thanks, Dan From: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com I'm pretty sure that in FL you just have to pass the NICS check if buying from a dealer (and fill out all necessary paperwork) or hand over the cash if buying from an individual. As far as gunbroker is concerned, virtually everybody selling there is a dealer. If you could find a local private seller you could meet him face to face and do a paperless transaction. If he ships it to a FFL, the FFL has to log it into his bound book, and fill out the paperwork and run the NICS check to transfer it from his inventory to you, even though the FFL never owned it. Mitch. From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols Date: October 29, 2014 11:01:28 AM PDT To: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com, Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Dan, I am not the end all of knowledge, so I defer to any and all greater and better informed to answer your question. My understanding for on line sales which involve interstate movement of the gun sold, or any non-personal contact requires the gun to be sent to a FFL licensed dealer, and the actual transfer then happens under the FFL dealers license, which DOES require a background check and all the BATFE required Federal Forms to be filled out and signed, etc etc etc.. Legally, under present law, I can not ship you a gun. I can however ship one to myself, subject to all the state and federal laws that may apply both in the state I am legally in when I ship, and the state I am legally in when I receive my own weapon. Complicated? yes. I suggest you become acquainted with a writer by name of Alan Korwin [friend of mine] [ http://www.gunlaws.com/ ] who specializes in writing books that address gun laws as they apply in different states and federal laws. If ignorance is bliss, prisons must be a blissful place. Be wise, be knowledgeable, be legal, be responsible, be a gun owner.. in that order.. is how I was taught. HTH, Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list
Re: [MBZ] OT Interesting Video Secure Your WiFi (Dan Penoff)
Very interesting discussion. Is there a software application (Mac) that can be added to our computers to show who is logged on or tried to log on to our wi-fi network? AST CL500 On Oct 24, 2014, at 11:28 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Interesting Video Secure Your WiFi Date: October 24, 2014 5:40:08 AM PDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Just leave it out there, but enable security. WPA for sure, as WEP has been compromised for years. Change the admin account credentials to something secure. Use good password practices (8 character minimum, a mix of numbers, upper/lower case letters and characters, no dictionary words.) Realize that if someone is war driving and your AP is locked down, unless they're specifically targeting you they'll move on. One Christmas some years back the youngest son and I went for a slow drive around the neighborhood with a laptop running Kismet, an open source wireless sniffer. Out of maybe 80 access points, we found roughly 60 that were either wide open (no admin account) or still using the default admin accounts shipped with the hardware. So unless you're being targeted specifically, you'll be a lousy exploit for someone just going around being malicious. With all the easy pickings out there, they'll move on. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Today's Attaboy (Dan Penoff)
Dan, If you can find 255/40-18 and 285/35-18 tires for $200 delivered I want to know! In fact, if you can find them for $200 each you're probably doing good if they're quality tires. ;-) AST CL500 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's Attaboy Date: October 16, 2014 8:38:33 AM PDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com That sound like a good deal. Can you tell us where you bought them? I am starting to look for tires in anticipation of mounting the R230 Launch wheels on my SL. Because they're different sizes from front to back I'm having a hard time finding a matched (brand) set, especially one that's not going to cost a small fortune. I've seen some strange Chinese brands that were affordable, but I'm reluctant to go that route. I need 255/40-18 for the front and 285/35-18 for the rear. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 16, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not to toot my own horn, but I purchased four all weather, H rated 195X70X14 tires online for $200 - delivered. My 83 300TD now drives like the road is made of buttah. Does this rate an ATTABOY? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Non-Political B-52 tale - RADIO HANOI (WILTON)
On Oct 12, 2014, at 7:50 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: Good tale Wilton. Glad you made it back that night! One of the WSOs that flew with me in my back seat in TAC in Thailand survived a year over the trail. But when he went back to the US, guess where he went? - back to Buffs. Not long after requal he was back in Thailand for Linebacker II. Apparently the Sams were better one night and took out his Buff - he didn't make it back. AST CL500 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: [MBZ] OT - non-political B-52 tale - RADIO HANOI Date: October 12, 2014 4:04:27 PM PDT To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Another non-political B-52 tale: RADIO HANOI - LONGEST 8 SECONDS ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Mercedes Self-Driving Truck
Mercedes introduces a semi-truck that drives itself on the highway. http://features.aol.com/video/semi-truck-drives-itself?icid=maing-grid9|main5-article|popular-videos-5min-main|sec3_lnk1|531617 I wonder who gets the speeding ticket? ;-) AST Manual-driving CL500 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] List Content (Dan Penoff)
I've been away for a few years, so am wondering what ever happened to the Ritter/Easley List? AST CL500 300E From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] List Content Date: October 6, 2014 8:16:24 AM PDT To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com snip Dan, who was one of the original members of the mbz.org lists and a founding member of the Ritter list ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] B-36 With Tank Treads??
The 777 is an awesome airliner. On Sep 28, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: AT wrote: And in comparison to the B-36 and B-52, we now have the B-1B with an empty weight of 182,000 lb, maximum gross weight of 477,000 lb... I remember 18 years ago taking a ride on the new 777. The pilot was proud to compare his new 777 with the familiar B-52. B-52 had 8 engines and the 777 had more engine power with 2 engines than the B-52. He named several comparisons. Each seat had new-then, lcd screen to watch shows - it was a spectacular ride on that aircraft, and the price was right - $50RT promo with T-Day afternoon leave and return on Saturday morning. Memorable for me and 2 sons. ma ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] B-36 With Tank Treads??
And in comparison to the B-36 and B-52, we now have the B-1B with an empty weight of 182,000 lb, maximum gross weight of 477,000 lb, a weapon load of 125,000 lb (more than either of the predecessor bombers) and a max speed of 1.25 Mach. AT From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-36 With Tank Treads?? Date: September 27, 2014 9:21:40 AM PDT Interesting to note that the basic/empty weight of a B-52 is 188,000lb (max gross weight of 488,000lb) and carry nearly the same pay load as the B-36 at 600 mph. Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-36 With Tank Treads?? On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 20:46:45 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Check it out: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/wait-the-b-36-peacemaker-flew-with-tank-tracks-for-lan-1638780957 Yup. Also interesting are the comments: A wingspan of 230 feet, six piston engines and later four additional turbojet engines, a 278,000lb empty weight, a max bomb load of close to 80,000lbs and intercontinental range, the B-36 was truly a remarkable giant of the skies. Very few airfields in the US during the late 1940s were long and fortified enough to handle the XB-36's takeoff run and original main gear that featured one massive tire and that exerted 156 pounds per square inch. http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--AU4cgkAT--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/hc22dgpzlycvnwls8mpf.jpg This, and the fact that it would be useful to forward deploy and disperse B-36s during a nuclear exchange, meant that a new landing gear system needed to be devised. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 106, Issue 112
It looks like it was in a fire! AT From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: [MBZ] A little sun damage Date: September 25, 2014 5:35:58 PM PDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 1987 Mercedes 560 SL Convertible http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/4685484140.html Sent from my iPhone From: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] A little sun damage Date: September 25, 2014 5:43:06 PM PDT To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Yep, thermonuclear radiation will do that... Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
Just to clarify, an AR-15 is often defined as a carbine, a short-barreled rifle. AT On Sep 16, 2014, at 5:00 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Re: Subject: Re: N assault Date: September 15, 2014 8:53:55 PM PDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com And why are you stirring up emotions about this? This list has argued the point many times about weapon classification and usually it ends up in a somewhat heated debate. The article http://www.wral.com/homeowner-shoots-intruder-in-vance-county-break-in/13638825/ states a AR-15 rifle was used, which would suggest a full size weapon. It may well have been a carbine version but we don't know that for sure. Hendrik who owns no weapons be they for assault or defence, hmmnh perhaps in this case they could have called it a defence rifle, perhaps retreat rifle On 16/09/14 10:48, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Carbine? No no no, he used an ASSAULT RIFLE!!! If your local media had correctly identified the AR-15 as an ASSAULT RIFLE, Al Sharpton and CNN and all the rest could have breathlessly reported and agitated and stirred up the righteous we know better than you crowd, and distracted us all from the ballooning federal debt and the miserable economy and the creeping inflation of our fiat currency... Just think of the blue-state fund-raising opportunities that were missed! Max Dillon, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] N
Good for him that he was prepared! Too many aren't prepared and become a victim. AT From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: N Date: September 15, 2014 4:37:24 PM PDT To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com This is another example where the US national media ignores gun stops crime events and the only coverage is in very local or foreign media. The Daily Mail seems cover these often. The national gun magazines typically include dozens of examples in an Armed Citizen section of each issue. Here's local coverage of one recent event I recall which is only a few miles up the road from me: http://www.wral.com/homeowner-shoots-intruder-in-vance-county-break-in/13638 825/. The only unusual part of this story is the homeowner used a carbine instead of a shotgun or handgun. If you google jonathan haith shooting, you won't find any (so-called) mainstream press coverage except two local TV stations. Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: N
Do you think that those in the media have an anti-gun/anti-self defense bias? Naw, that just couldn't be…….. AT On Sep 13, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Has anyone else noticed that when a citizen uses a gun to prevent or stop a crime there is zero press coverage except (sometimes) at the local level (and, interestingly some foreign press). But when a gun is used to commit a crime there is persistent National coverage in the electronic and print media. An intellectually honest person would want to know the degree that our perceptions are being warped by this shadow Ministry of Truth. For example, how many Newtowns were stopped or prevented by armed citizens or armed security personnel? For those that don't know, concealed carry permit/license holders are some of the most law-abiding people in the country. It varies by state, but most states require extensive criminal and psychological background checks to obtain a carry permit/license. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Subject: Re: N
With all of the statistics and claims made about gun ownership, no one has mentioned the huge number of people SAVED through the defensive use of a gun each year. You'll never read about it in the main stream media but there have been several studies done that indicate numbers between 500,000 and 2,000,000 per year in the US. Here's an excerpt from just one, a CDC study ordered by Obama in Jan 2013: “Defensive uses of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a),” the study reads. “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).” Guns are a tool, a great way to level the playing field that allows the weak and small to defend themselves from the thugs. Remember, the courts have stated numerous times that the police have no duty to protect you. Safe driving, AT From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Subject: Re: [MBZ] N Date: September 10, 2014 8:38:57 AM PDT To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com, Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com *U.S. vs. The World* *Last year, handguns killed 48 people in Japan, 8 in Great Britain, 34 in Switzerland, 52 in Canada, 58 in Israel, 21 in Sweden, 42 in West Germany and 10,728 in the United States.* (Half True http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2012/dec/23/facebook-posts/facebook-posting-handgun-deaths-has-out-date-numbe/) The numbers are wildly out of date. They also omit important context, such as population size. But the odds of being murdered by a gun in the United States is far in excess of the risk in the listed countries. More quick google research so take it for what it is worth, but this site says the odds are much greater in the USA than in Canada. RB who knows lots of people that he would not want to see carrying a gun ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
