Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
WE have deer all over D.C., especially on the grounds of the VP's estate. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Rich Thomas < richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: > Plenty o' roadkill deer and possum and coons, no work needed to collect > fresh meat on our road. I have dragged more than a few of dead deer out of > my driveway and the roadside in front of my vast estate. Went out one > morning to get the paper and there was a big deer in the median of the > road, figured I would go out later and drag it into the woods for the > clean-up crew. It was gone then, figured someone picked it up for supper > or dogs. > > --R > > > On 1/27/14 8:59 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: > >> Yeah but if the fella learned to use the bommerang, he could go out and >> hunt animals with it and not have to buy meat. >> WB could at least have signed the bommerang I suppose? >> >> Hendrik >> who does not know how to use a bommerrang >> >> On 28/01/14 09:09, Rich Thomas wrote: >> >>> So a funny anecdote about rich idiots. Last year Bill corralled a bunch >>> of his rich buds and had them down here at Kiawah for a coupla days to talk >>> about this philanthropy giveawayyourmoney thing. We have a little airport >>> here, it was wall-to-wall with jets. This old black guy who lives up the >>> road runs a halfass limo company, has a coupla cars. He got tapped to give >>> these guys rides to and from the airport, somehow. >>> >>> So he picks up Warren Buffet to take him to the airport, maybe a 20min >>> drive. They get there, WB thanks him, and instead of flipping him a 20 for >>> the ride as a tip, he gives him a boomerang. A f'n boomerang. I guess he >>> got it at the conference or something and had no use for it so he gave it >>> to the driver as a "tip." The old guy was cussing WB something fierce and >>> telling that story all over the island, what a cheapass he was. >>> >>> Trickle down boomerangs! >>> >>> --R >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Plenty o' roadkill deer and possum and coons, no work needed to collect fresh meat on our road. I have dragged more than a few of dead deer out of my driveway and the roadside in front of my vast estate. Went out one morning to get the paper and there was a big deer in the median of the road, figured I would go out later and drag it into the woods for the clean-up crew. It was gone then, figured someone picked it up for supper or dogs. --R On 1/27/14 8:59 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: Yeah but if the fella learned to use the bommerang, he could go out and hunt animals with it and not have to buy meat. WB could at least have signed the bommerang I suppose? Hendrik who does not know how to use a bommerrang On 28/01/14 09:09, Rich Thomas wrote: So a funny anecdote about rich idiots. Last year Bill corralled a bunch of his rich buds and had them down here at Kiawah for a coupla days to talk about this philanthropy giveawayyourmoney thing. We have a little airport here, it was wall-to-wall with jets. This old black guy who lives up the road runs a halfass limo company, has a coupla cars. He got tapped to give these guys rides to and from the airport, somehow. So he picks up Warren Buffet to take him to the airport, maybe a 20min drive. They get there, WB thanks him, and instead of flipping him a 20 for the ride as a tip, he gives him a boomerang. A f'n boomerang. I guess he got it at the conference or something and had no use for it so he gave it to the driver as a "tip." The old guy was cussing WB something fierce and telling that story all over the island, what a cheapass he was. Trickle down boomerangs! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Philip wrote: > I guess that means you sleep on the ground and shower in truckstops? > Drive until dark. Find a rural church at edge of town. Drive to back and sleep in W123 or on ground. Showers are over rated. Stay calm, no overload. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> > Andrew wrote: > > > > Who among you tips hotel room maids by leaving a fiver on the > > pillow as you check out? > Mountain wrote: > > I don't do hotels. I guess that means you sleep on the ground and shower in truckstops? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew wrote: > Who among you tips hotel room maids by leaving a fiver on the pillow as you > check out? I don't do hotels. They are disgusting. This is based on reports from a person I know that works at a reputable hotel. Hotels are the best place to acquire disgusting things. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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For everyone's benefit, Australia has a no tipping mentality, or used to have one. 40 years ago if you tried to tip a Sydney cabbie he would bite your hand off. The meters ran in pennies, so it was always tempting to "round up". I remember being driven for what seemed like forever and the fare came to 28 OZ cents. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > You cheap bastard! ;) > > I do $2 a day. Its amazing how much nicer the room gets when you leave the > money. In Argentina I left American money and delightful Argentine > chocolates appeared on my pillow. > > -Curt > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 23:34:22 -0500 > From: Andrew Strasfogel > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the > people > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Who among you tips hotel room maids by leaving a fiver on the pillow as you > check out? > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
You cheap bastard! ;) I do $2 a day. Its amazing how much nicer the room gets when you leave the money. In Argentina I left American money and delightful Argentine chocolates appeared on my pillow. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 23:34:22 -0500 From: Andrew Strasfogel To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Who among you tips hotel room maids by leaving a fiver on the pillow as you check out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
So a funny anecdote about rich idiots. Last year Bill corralled a bunch of his rich buds and had them down here at Kiawah for a coupla days to talk about this philanthropy giveawayyourmoney thing. We have a little airport here, it was wall-to-wall with jets. This old black guy who lives up the road runs a halfass limo company, has a coupla cars. He got tapped to give these guys rides to and from the airport, somehow. So he picks up Warren Buffet to take him to the airport, maybe a 20min drive. They get there, WB thanks him, and instead of flipping him a 20 for the ride as a tip, he gives him a boomerang. A f'n boomerang. I guess he got it at the conference or something and had no use for it so he gave it to the driver as a "tip." The old guy was cussing WB something fierce and telling that story all over the island, what a cheapass he was. Trickle down boomerangs! --R WB is not ashamed to tell what he things we should do. But the same as Goobermnt officious ones Holeywood rich, wallst crowd and the like, it is hypocrisy. Do as I say, not as I do. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Interesting you mention Bill Gates. He has put a lot of his fortune into his philanthropic foundation (and I think plans for all of it to go there when he dies). He also promotes other rich folks doing something similar, either to his foundation or to their own to do "good" things. The interesting aspect of that to me is that a lot of people (including many of the rich fools) rant about raising taxes on the rich, but then instead of giving their fortunes to the gummint to work wonders decide they can do better than the gummint. And those who think their taxes should be higher think it is great they are putting their money into foundations and bypassing the gummint. Something of a disconnect, no? --R Hypocrisy at its finest ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Yeah when we where in tipping land, we stopped in some Italian restaurant for Sunday lunch and the waitress did mention that the churchies are somewhat frugal, spose they put all their spare change in the plate at the prayer centre. We tipped her a bommerang and a half. Hendrik who hates tipping On 28/01/14 12:42, Rich Thomas wrote: No it's the Sunday after-church crowd. 20 people, separate checks, count to the penny, stiff the waitron. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: My waitstaff friends tell me Doctors and Lawyers and other folks with money tend to be the worst tippers. I've never worked for tips so I really don't know. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
My old mum was in service as a young woman, so I have been trained to appreciate and reward the hard work of all, high and low. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. > > From: Andrew Strasfogel >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:34 PM >Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people > > >Who among you tips hotel room maids by leaving a fiver on the pillow as you >check out? > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Who among you tips hotel room maids by leaving a fiver on the pillow as you check out? On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: > Starship Troopers? > > Fred Moir > Lynn MA > Diesel preferred. > > > > > > From: clay > >To: Mercedes Discussion List > >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 6:43 PM > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the > people > > > > > >I too feel that those who serve are being sold down the river. > > > >I postulate that we would have far better governance if you were only > able to gain citizenship by performing duty for your country. Be it a four > or six year term, you carry arms and shed blood if needed, then earn your > stripes. Only those who have honorably served would be eligible to run for > any office. To be able to hold any civic position, you would have had to > been willing to give your life. So, cops, fire fighters, dog catchers, are > all tested and true citizens. > > > >As part of your gaining citizen status, you would be entitled to access > to support and outreach, such that you never needed to hold a cardboard > sign begging for money on a street corner. Once a Marine, Always a Marine, > and we would never leave a man behind. The time most kids waste after high > school is a great time to allow them to serve, as they are immature and of > little economic value today. Having given six years, they would be near > 25, much more suited for higher education and responsible for their own > futures. > > > >This would also allow those who decide not to serve, to not game the > system. No need to pay them to remain alive, as the semi-citizen would > have the vote, but could not access the reins of power, nor feel entitled > to some benefit that was not earned > > > >clay > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Starship Troopers? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. > > From: clay >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 6:43 PM >Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people > > >I too feel that those who serve are being sold down the river. > >I postulate that we would have far better governance if you were only able to >gain citizenship by performing duty for your country. Be it a four or six >year term, you carry arms and shed blood if needed, then earn your stripes. >Only those who have honorably served would be eligible to run for any office. >To be able to hold any civic position, you would have had to been willing to >give your life. So, cops, fire fighters, dog catchers, are all tested and >true citizens. > >As part of your gaining citizen status, you would be entitled to access to >support and outreach, such that you never needed to hold a cardboard sign >begging for money on a street corner. Once a Marine, Always a Marine, and we >would never leave a man behind. The time most kids waste after high school is >a great time to allow them to serve, as they are immature and of little >economic value today. Having given six years, they would be near 25, much >more suited for higher education and responsible for their own futures. > >This would also allow those who decide not to serve, to not game the system. >No need to pay them to remain alive, as the semi-citizen would have the vote, >but could not access the reins of power, nor feel entitled to some benefit >that was not earned > >clay > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Having seen some true master wood smiths in action, I grieve his loss of employment. Yet another example of "trickle up poverty" induced by social engineering and political greed. Seems there have been several million deaths in wars through history over just such ignorance in leadership. Sad... truly sad On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:33 PM, clay wrote: > +1 > > BiL was employed at a local mega yacht builder until the tax the rich > thing hit. Hiring stopped at the company and work transitioned to > retrofits until there was just a skeleton crew left. His degree in the > shipwrights program came in handy enough that he was able to find > employment in a cabinet shop for a few years. Then the massive deflation > in the housing market took out the need for quality cabinetry. He has been > struggling for work, going from shop to shop for the past four years. > > clay > > > On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Larry T wrote: > > > Good point Rich - > > Back in the 90s the liberals managed to pass a "Tax the rich' bill - > following that, many boatyards closed and laid off workers - may extreme > craftsmen who had to find other work. Often that talent is lost forever. > The rich buy new boats - like G-650s - and all the people in the income > stream benefit from them buying stuff. I bought a used Catalina 27 back > in the late 90s and the only one who benefited was the salesman... it's > just not the same, but the rich must buy the new stuff so the used stuff > will be around. > > > > It's the same will all kinds of new things we take for granted. Remember > when 40" TVs came out and sold for $3000-$5000? Only the rich would buy > them but by doing so they drove the price down to the point us normal > people can afford them. > > > > Trickle Down really works but the liberals try to criticize it because > it doesn't fit their agenda. > > > > Sincerely, > > Larry > > > > On 1/26/2014 9:45 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: > >> I had dinner with my cousin last night. Her husband works for > Gulfstream in Savannah. They build G-650s there, which start at $65mil. > If one were to order one today it would take at least 3 years to get it. > He says there are people who pull out their checkbook to try to buy out > someone further up the queue. These are likely rich folks or corporations. > >> > >> So Gulfstream have 5 or 6 factories around the country, all working > flat out to build various aircraft. That $65mil and whatever the others > cost employs thousands of people, supports various other industries, keeps > the economies of their home communities going, and must add at least that > value to their buyers in some ways. Oh, and to run one costs a fair amount > of the purchase price each year, requires many pilots, hangars, fuel, > maintenance etc etc which also keeps the economy going. And apparently did > quite well even over the past few years. > >> > >> So, seems to me like rich folks and corporations have positive effects > as well, whatever vilification the various politicos want to heap on them. > Hell, I'd like to buy a G-650 and trod down all y'all. > >> > >> --R (sent from my miniPad) > >> > >> On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:27 PM, "Scott Ritchey" > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal > >> folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that > >> walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money > made us > >> all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam > >> Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least > enriched > >> our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand > does > >> as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking > winners > >> and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use > their > >> wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, > >> Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the > >> common good. > >> > >> Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a > >> problem? > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To s
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
clay wrote: > Most of the white shirts are so far removed from having held a decent job, > they feel entitled and above the rabble. > Yep. The guy across the street is closing and sold to another guy down the street. My son works across the street and interviewed with the new owner - auto repair. The guy knows nothing about repair but runs a shop - go figure. He has the same attitude - his poop don't stink. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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H&F wrote: > There are a lot more factors that go into it but the basis is that if the > wealth is more spread out, then there is more chance of those who can do > something, will do something to give others a leg up, instead of a hand out. > > Hendrik > who sponsors a child in Vietnam Good stuff - I like!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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H&F wrote: > For instance are we seeing the Waltons building factories in the US to > produce goods to sell at wallymart? Be careful what we wish for. NYT had an article recently telling about China building textile factories in SC since china wages are out of line with their plans. MinWage? - try $3.43/hour? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No it's the Sunday after-church crowd. 20 people, separate checks, count to the penny, stiff the waitron. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: My waitstaff friends tell me Doctors and Lawyers and other folks with money tend to be the worst tippers. I've never worked for tips so I really don't know. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:39:16 -0500 From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people Message-ID: <52e6e014.90...@constructivity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed So a funny anecdote about rich idiots. Last year Bill corralled a bunch of his rich buds and had them down here at Kiawah for a coupla days to talk about this philanthropy giveawayyourmoney thing. We have a little airport here, it was wall-to-wall with jets. This old black guy who lives up the road runs a halfass limo company, has a coupla cars. He got tapped to give these guys rides to and from the airport, somehow. So he picks up Warren Buffet to take him to the airport, maybe a 20min drive. They get there, WB thanks him, and instead of flipping him a 20 for the ride as a tip, he gives him a boomerang. A f'n boomerang. I guess he got it at the conference or something and had no use for it so he gave it to the driver as a "tip." The old guy was cussing WB something fierce and telling that story all over the island, what a cheapass he was. Trickle down boomerangs! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah but if the fella learned to use the bommerang, he could go out and hunt animals with it and not have to buy meat. WB could at least have signed the bommerang I suppose? Hendrik who does not know how to use a bommerrang On 28/01/14 09:09, Rich Thomas wrote: So a funny anecdote about rich idiots. Last year Bill corralled a bunch of his rich buds and had them down here at Kiawah for a coupla days to talk about this philanthropy giveawayyourmoney thing. We have a little airport here, it was wall-to-wall with jets. This old black guy who lives up the road runs a halfass limo company, has a coupla cars. He got tapped to give these guys rides to and from the airport, somehow. So he picks up Warren Buffet to take him to the airport, maybe a 20min drive. They get there, WB thanks him, and instead of flipping him a 20 for the ride as a tip, he gives him a boomerang. A f'n boomerang. I guess he got it at the conference or something and had no use for it so he gave it to the driver as a "tip." The old guy was cussing WB something fierce and telling that story all over the island, what a cheapass he was. Trickle down boomerangs! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have. I fully agree with giving those who will sacrifice all, the opportunity to live a full life. On Jan 27, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > You've read "Starship Troopers" of course. > > -Curt > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:43:15 -0800 > From: clay > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the > people > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I too feel that those who serve are being sold down the river. > > I postulate that we would have far better governance if you were only able to > gain citizenship by performing duty for your country. Be it a four or six > year term, you carry arms and shed blood if needed, then earn your stripes. > Only those who have honorably served would be eligible to run for any office. > To be able to hold any civic position, you would have had to been willing to > give your life. So, cops, fire fighters, dog catchers, are all tested and > true citizens. > > As part of your gaining citizen status, you would be entitled to access to > support and outreach, such that you never needed to hold a cardboard sign > begging for money on a street corner. Once a Marine, Always a Marine, and we > would never leave a man behind. The time most kids waste after high school > is a great time to allow them to serve, as they are immature and of little > economic value today. Having given six years, they would be near 25, much > more suited for higher education and responsible for their own futures. > > This would also allow those who decide not to serve, to not game the system. > No need to pay them to remain alive, as the semi-citizen would have the vote, > but could not access the reins of power, nor feel entitled to some benefit > that was not earned > > clay > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
You've read "Starship Troopers" of course. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:43:15 -0800 From: clay To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I too feel that those who serve are being sold down the river. I postulate that we would have far better governance if you were only able to gain citizenship by performing duty for your country. Be it a four or six year term, you carry arms and shed blood if needed, then earn your stripes. Only those who have honorably served would be eligible to run for any office. To be able to hold any civic position, you would have had to been willing to give your life. So, cops, fire fighters, dog catchers, are all tested and true citizens. As part of your gaining citizen status, you would be entitled to access to support and outreach, such that you never needed to hold a cardboard sign begging for money on a street corner. Once a Marine, Always a Marine, and we would never leave a man behind. The time most kids waste after high school is a great time to allow them to serve, as they are immature and of little economic value today. Having given six years, they would be near 25, much more suited for higher education and responsible for their own futures. This would also allow those who decide not to serve, to not game the system. No need to pay them to remain alive, as the semi-citizen would have the vote, but could not access the reins of power, nor feel entitled to some benefit that was not earned clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
On Jan 27, 2014, at 11:36 AM, "M. Mitchell Marmel" wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Larry T wrote: > > >> but the rich must buy the new stuff so the used stuff will be around. >> > > Case in point: How often do any of US buy a NEW Mercedes? ;-) I am considering one made in this century. Does that count as "new"? :-) Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
My take on that, is that the people who have not held that type of position, have no understanding. Most of the people who I worked restaurant jobs with are not tight with a tip. A server does have to earn it, but the hard worker is rewarded. Most of the white shirts are so far removed from having held a decent job, they feel entitled and above the rabble. Most of the douche white shirts who I know do not tip, got a degree on loans, did not work until they had a higher degree, and spend cash on frivolities. They also are liberal, with other peoples cash. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > My waitstaff friends tell me Doctors and Lawyers and other folks with money > tend to be the worst tippers. > I've never worked for tips so I really don't know. > > -Curt > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:39:16 -0500 > From: Rich Thomas > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the > people > Message-ID: <52e6e014.90...@constructivity.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > So a funny anecdote about rich idiots. Last year Bill corralled a bunch > of his rich buds and had them down here at Kiawah for a coupla days to > talk about this philanthropy giveawayyourmoney thing. We have a little > airport here, it was wall-to-wall with jets. This old black guy who > lives up the road runs a halfass limo company, has a coupla cars. He > got tapped to give these guys rides to and from the airport, somehow. > > So he picks up Warren Buffet to take him to the airport, maybe a 20min > drive. They get there, WB thanks him, and instead of flipping him a 20 > for the ride as a tip, he gives him a boomerang. A f'n boomerang. I > guess he got it at the conference or something and had no use for it so > he gave it to the driver as a "tip." The old guy was cussing WB > something fierce and telling that story all over the island, what a > cheapass he was. > > Trickle down boomerangs! > > --R > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
or at least enriched >> our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand does >> as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners >> and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use their >> wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, >> Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the >> common good. >> >> Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a >> problem? >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of >>> Mountain Man >>> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 10:37 PM >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the >>> people >>> >>> H & F wrote: >>>> I personally don't think concentration of wealth to that degree is. >>>> >>> ... Perhaps one of the differences is >>> that we see the person that is a trillionaire whereas years ago we >>> never knew who was the trillionaire in the neighborhood. Wealth is >>> more conspicuous today, that's all. >>> We need to quit bitchn' and count our blessings. We are wealthy. Not >>> trillionaire wealthy, but wealthy... >>> mao >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
My waitstaff friends tell me Doctors and Lawyers and other folks with money tend to be the worst tippers. I've never worked for tips so I really don't know. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:39:16 -0500 From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people Message-ID: <52e6e014.90...@constructivity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed So a funny anecdote about rich idiots. Last year Bill corralled a bunch of his rich buds and had them down here at Kiawah for a coupla days to talk about this philanthropy giveawayyourmoney thing. We have a little airport here, it was wall-to-wall with jets. This old black guy who lives up the road runs a halfass limo company, has a coupla cars. He got tapped to give these guys rides to and from the airport, somehow. So he picks up Warren Buffet to take him to the airport, maybe a 20min drive. They get there, WB thanks him, and instead of flipping him a 20 for the ride as a tip, he gives him a boomerang. A f'n boomerang. I guess he got it at the conference or something and had no use for it so he gave it to the driver as a "tip." The old guy was cussing WB something fierce and telling that story all over the island, what a cheapass he was. Trickle down boomerangs! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Getting the message through to the people that economics is not a "zero sum" game is a huge difficulty. Just because some guy has billions doesn't mean I or anyone else have less. This kind of thinking is lost on many people in the USA who work, catch a snipit of news & vote based on very little info - other than feelings. Add in the media's lack of ethics and professionalism while they push their own agenda and we have millions without a clue of what is happening. They're the so-called "Sheeple". But obamas wild spending/giving _is_ certainly making us, our chldren and our grandchildren, etc. poorer.while the debt is said to be $17 Trillion that doesn't include all the debt. Add in social security and other social programs and the number triples or more. even with the USA's massive GDP, it will take a long time to repay that debt - but that will only haoppen with reducing spending - something the government is unwilling to do most of the time.Plus, the way the govt creates their budgets is designed to be inaccurate -- they take last years budget and add to it. I'd like to see "clean sheet" budgets where they start with nothing and justify every penny with a line item that is detailed so it can be audited. But that would mean a change in the way the govt operates which we are unlikely to see... As far as the real estate "crisis" - it was created by Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and other democrats as they forced lenders to make more and more money available with less and less due diligence. At one point the lenders were not allowed to confirm income and loaned as much as 125% of the homes cost so the buyers not only had nothing invested, they walked away with cash. Some of these people had no way to pay for the homes and it eventually caught up with them. The Builders didn't mind - they kept selling homes. The lenders had no choice but they were making money for a while so they complained little. eventually the amount of money loaned for buying homes so far exceeded the value, the house of cards came crashing down. Yeah, I'm sure there were bankers who made lots of money but the big offenders were congressmen who forced lenders to do dumb things. Speaking of congressmen - someone can serve one term and walk away with $15,000/month retirement. That is outrageous IMO - our servicemen & women put their lives on the line and end up with $0 unless they serve 20 years!! Plus, they are promised various benefits when being courted to sign up but when they are ready for retirement they find congress has eliminated many of the things promised. Being in the military is a thankless job. Little pay, way too much required to be bought out of pocket and the possibility of being maimed or killed for an ungrateful government. Sincerely, Larry On 1/26/2014 6:27 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money made us all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least enriched our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand does as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use their wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the common good. Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a problem? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 10:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people H & F wrote: I personally don't think concentration of wealth to that degree is. ... Perhaps one of the differences is that we see the person that is a trillionaire whereas years ago we never knew who was the trillionaire in the neighborhood. Wealth is more conspicuous today, that's all. We need to quit bitchn' and count our blessings. We are wealthy. Not trillionaire wealthy, but wealthy... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Gates is over-the-hill. He's made his pile and is just playing with it The one to watch is Elon Musk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk Gerry On 1/27/14 5:06 PM, clay wrote: BG has an agenda he is promoting. Bill is not in it for altruistic purposes. If you look at what his foundation supports, there is a rather dystopian pogrom in place. Bill has a penchant to put his cash into getting more money coming his way. support education that sells more M$ licenses and hardware. Healthcare issues that will enrich his research into malaria drugs and other biotech. He has crowd sourced his R&D into what next will enrich him. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: Most of the idiots with lots of money "horde it" by investing it in companies (stocks and bonds and such) and buy stuff, but there is a limit to how much stuff you can buy so the rest has to go somewhere that will (they hope) help them make more money (just like your 401K plan!). The investments keep things going and raise the tide, mostly. Interesting you mention Bill Gates. He has put a lot of his fortune into his philanthropic foundation (and I think plans for all of it to go there when he dies). He also promotes other rich folks doing something similar, either to his foundation or to their own to do "good" things. The interesting aspect of that to me is that a lot of people (including many of the rich fools) rant about raising taxes on the rich, but then instead of giving their fortunes to the gummint to work wonders decide they can do better than the gummint. And those who think their taxes should be higher think it is great they are putting their money into foundations and bypassing the gummint. Something of a disconnect, no? --R On 1/27/14 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I don't think trickle down works the way the Reagan economists espouse. I do believe that a rising tide lifts all boats but what good does that money do when some idiot just hordes it? After all you get to a point eventually where you can't spend it all and where some fool is just getting rich for the sake of getting rich. Bill Gates is doing great work, there are others as well but many more just aren't. They'll pass off a big fortune to an idiot kid who will blow it... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
So a funny anecdote about rich idiots. Last year Bill corralled a bunch of his rich buds and had them down here at Kiawah for a coupla days to talk about this philanthropy giveawayyourmoney thing. We have a little airport here, it was wall-to-wall with jets. This old black guy who lives up the road runs a halfass limo company, has a coupla cars. He got tapped to give these guys rides to and from the airport, somehow. So he picks up Warren Buffet to take him to the airport, maybe a 20min drive. They get there, WB thanks him, and instead of flipping him a 20 for the ride as a tip, he gives him a boomerang. A f'n boomerang. I guess he got it at the conference or something and had no use for it so he gave it to the driver as a "tip." The old guy was cussing WB something fierce and telling that story all over the island, what a cheapass he was. Trickle down boomerangs! --R On 1/27/14 5:06 PM, clay wrote: BG has an agenda he is promoting. Bill is not in it for altruistic purposes. If you look at what his foundation supports, there is a rather dystopian pogrom in place. Bill has a penchant to put his cash into getting more money coming his way. support education that sells more M$ licenses and hardware. Healthcare issues that will enrich his research into malaria drugs and other biotech. He has crowd sourced his R&D into what next will enrich him. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: Most of the idiots with lots of money "horde it" by investing it in companies (stocks and bonds and such) and buy stuff, but there is a limit to how much stuff you can buy so the rest has to go somewhere that will (they hope) help them make more money (just like your 401K plan!). The investments keep things going and raise the tide, mostly. Interesting you mention Bill Gates. He has put a lot of his fortune into his philanthropic foundation (and I think plans for all of it to go there when he dies). He also promotes other rich folks doing something similar, either to his foundation or to their own to do "good" things. The interesting aspect of that to me is that a lot of people (including many of the rich fools) rant about raising taxes on the rich, but then instead of giving their fortunes to the gummint to work wonders decide they can do better than the gummint. And those who think their taxes should be higher think it is great they are putting their money into foundations and bypassing the gummint. Something of a disconnect, no? --R On 1/27/14 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I don't think trickle down works the way the Reagan economists espouse. I do believe that a rising tide lifts all boats but what good does that money do when some idiot just hordes it? After all you get to a point eventually where you can't spend it all and where some fool is just getting rich for the sake of getting rich. Bill Gates is doing great work, there are others as well but many more just aren't. They'll pass off a big fortune to an idiot kid who will blow it... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
BG has an agenda he is promoting. Bill is not in it for altruistic purposes. If you look at what his foundation supports, there is a rather dystopian pogrom in place. Bill has a penchant to put his cash into getting more money coming his way. support education that sells more M$ licenses and hardware. Healthcare issues that will enrich his research into malaria drugs and other biotech. He has crowd sourced his R&D into what next will enrich him. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: > Most of the idiots with lots of money "horde it" by investing it in companies > (stocks and bonds and such) and buy stuff, but there is a limit to how much > stuff you can buy so the rest has to go somewhere that will (they hope) help > them make more money (just like your 401K plan!). The investments keep > things going and raise the tide, mostly. > > Interesting you mention Bill Gates. He has put a lot of his fortune into his > philanthropic foundation (and I think plans for all of it to go there when he > dies). He also promotes other rich folks doing something similar, either to > his foundation or to their own to do "good" things. The interesting aspect > of that to me is that a lot of people (including many of the rich fools) rant > about raising taxes on the rich, but then instead of giving their fortunes to > the gummint to work wonders decide they can do better than the gummint. And > those who think their taxes should be higher think it is great they are > putting their money into foundations and bypassing the gummint. Something of > a disconnect, no? > > --R > > > > On 1/27/14 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >> I don't think trickle down works the way the Reagan economists espouse. I do >> believe that a rising tide lifts all boats but what good does that money do >> when some idiot just hordes it? After all you get to a point eventually >> where you can't spend it all and where some fool is just getting rich for >> the sake of getting rich. >> >> Bill Gates is doing great work, there are others as well but many more just >> aren't. They'll pass off a big fortune to an idiot kid who will blow it... > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
+1 BiL was employed at a local mega yacht builder until the tax the rich thing hit. Hiring stopped at the company and work transitioned to retrofits until there was just a skeleton crew left. His degree in the shipwrights program came in handy enough that he was able to find employment in a cabinet shop for a few years. Then the massive deflation in the housing market took out the need for quality cabinetry. He has been struggling for work, going from shop to shop for the past four years. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Larry T wrote: > Good point Rich - > Back in the 90s the liberals managed to pass a "Tax the rich' bill - > following that, many boatyards closed and laid off workers - may extreme > craftsmen who had to find other work. Often that talent is lost forever. > The rich buy new boats - like G-650s - and all the people in the income > stream benefit from them buying stuff. I bought a used Catalina 27 back in > the late 90s and the only one who benefited was the salesman... it's just not > the same, but the rich must buy the new stuff so the used stuff will be > around. > > It's the same will all kinds of new things we take for granted. Remember when > 40" TVs came out and sold for $3000-$5000? Only the rich would buy them but > by doing so they drove the price down to the point us normal people can > afford them. > > Trickle Down really works but the liberals try to criticize it because it > doesn't fit their agenda. > > Sincerely, > Larry > > On 1/26/2014 9:45 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: >> I had dinner with my cousin last night. Her husband works for Gulfstream in >> Savannah. They build G-650s there, which start at $65mil. If one were to >> order one today it would take at least 3 years to get it. He says there are >> people who pull out their checkbook to try to buy out someone further up the >> queue. These are likely rich folks or corporations. >> >> So Gulfstream have 5 or 6 factories around the country, all working flat out >> to build various aircraft. That $65mil and whatever the others cost employs >> thousands of people, supports various other industries, keeps the economies >> of their home communities going, and must add at least that value to their >> buyers in some ways. Oh, and to run one costs a fair amount of the purchase >> price each year, requires many pilots, hangars, fuel, maintenance etc etc >> which also keeps the economy going. And apparently did quite well even over >> the past few years. >> >> So, seems to me like rich folks and corporations have positive effects as >> well, whatever vilification the various politicos want to heap on them. >> Hell, I'd like to buy a G-650 and trod down all y'all. >> >> --R (sent from my miniPad) >> >> On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:27 PM, "Scott Ritchey" wrote: >> >> >> Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal >> folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that >> walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money made us >> all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam >> Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least enriched >> our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand does >> as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners >> and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use their >> wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, >> Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the >> common good. >> >> Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a >> problem? >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Oh! I listen and LMAO! At my advanced age, I find most things are comical/tragic. (Shakes head and eats another cookie.) Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. > > From: Andrew Strasfogel >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:46 PM >Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people > > >Fred, you are obviously a Socialist who doesn't listen to Limbaugh. > > >On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Frederick Moir wrote: > >> Trickle down economics is just an euphemism for whizzdon. >> >> Fred Moir >> Lynn MA >> Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fred, you are obviously a Socialist who doesn't listen to Limbaugh. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Frederick Moir wrote: > Trickle down economics is just an euphemism for whizzdon. > > Fred Moir > Lynn MA > Diesel preferred. > > > > > > From: Andrew Strasfogel > >To: Mercedes Discussion List > >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:06 PM > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the > people > > > > > >Trickle down works GREAT for the ultra wealthy, for sure. > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Trickle down economics is just an euphemism for whizzdon. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. > > From: Andrew Strasfogel >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:06 PM >Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people > > >Trickle down works GREAT for the ultra wealthy, for sure. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Most of the idiots with lots of money "horde it" by investing it in companies (stocks and bonds and such) and buy stuff, but there is a limit to how much stuff you can buy so the rest has to go somewhere that will (they hope) help them make more money (just like your 401K plan!). The investments keep things going and raise the tide, mostly. Interesting you mention Bill Gates. He has put a lot of his fortune into his philanthropic foundation (and I think plans for all of it to go there when he dies). He also promotes other rich folks doing something similar, either to his foundation or to their own to do "good" things. The interesting aspect of that to me is that a lot of people (including many of the rich fools) rant about raising taxes on the rich, but then instead of giving their fortunes to the gummint to work wonders decide they can do better than the gummint. And those who think their taxes should be higher think it is great they are putting their money into foundations and bypassing the gummint. Something of a disconnect, no? --R On 1/27/14 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I don't think trickle down works the way the Reagan economists espouse. I do believe that a rising tide lifts all boats but what good does that money do when some idiot just hordes it? After all you get to a point eventually where you can't spend it all and where some fool is just getting rich for the sake of getting rich. Bill Gates is doing great work, there are others as well but many more just aren't. They'll pass off a big fortune to an idiot kid who will blow it... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
My cousin's husband and she think it works pretty well for them too. --R On 1/27/14 12:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Trickle down works GREAT for the ultra wealthy, for sure. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Larry T wrote: Good point Rich - Back in the 90s the liberals managed to pass a "Tax the rich' bill - following that, many boatyards closed and laid off workers - may extreme craftsmen who had to find other work. Often that talent is lost forever. The rich buy new boats - like G-650s - and all the people in the income stream benefit from them buying stuff. I bought a used Catalina 27 back in the late 90s and the only one who benefited was the salesman... it's just not the same, but the rich must buy the new stuff so the used stuff will be around. It's the same will all kinds of new things we take for granted. Remember when 40" TVs came out and sold for $3000-$5000? Only the rich would buy them but by doing so they drove the price down to the point us normal people can afford them. Trickle Down really works but the liberals try to criticize it because it doesn't fit their agenda. Sincerely, Larry On 1/26/2014 9:45 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I had dinner with my cousin last night. Her husband works for Gulfstream in Savannah. They build G-650s there, which start at $65mil. If one were to order one today it would take at least 3 years to get it. He says there are people who pull out their checkbook to try to buy out someone further up the queue. These are likely rich folks or corporations. So Gulfstream have 5 or 6 factories around the country, all working flat out to build various aircraft. That $65mil and whatever the others cost employs thousands of people, supports various other industries, keeps the economies of their home communities going, and must add at least that value to their buyers in some ways. Oh, and to run one costs a fair amount of the purchase price each year, requires many pilots, hangars, fuel, maintenance etc etc which also keeps the economy going. And apparently did quite well even over the past few years. So, seems to me like rich folks and corporations have positive effects as well, whatever vilification the various politicos want to heap on them. Hell, I'd like to buy a G-650 and trod down all y'all. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:27 PM, "Scott Ritchey" wrote: Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money made us all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least enriched our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand does as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use their wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the common good. Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a problem? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
I don't think trickle down works the way the Reagan economists espouse. I do believe that a rising tide lifts all boats but what good does that money do when some idiot just hordes it? After all you get to a point eventually where you can't spend it all and where some fool is just getting rich for the sake of getting rich. Bill Gates is doing great work, there are others as well but many more just aren't. They'll pass off a big fortune to an idiot kid who will blow it... Tax and Spend doesn't work any better than Trickle Down, I'll even grant that its probably worse. Theres got to be a middle ground and thats what our elected idiots can't grasp. The Tea Party will never work out because their whole thing is "We're not going to fund your idiot ideas. My idiot ideas are so much better." They don't really want to cut, they just want to cut SOMEBODY ELSE's funding. Same tune everybody else is singing to with different words. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:35:39 -0500 From: Larry T To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people Message-ID: <52e68adb.4080...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Good point Rich - Back in the 90s the liberals managed to pass a "Tax the rich' bill - following that, many boatyards closed and laid off workers - may extreme craftsmen who had to find other work. Often that talent is lost forever. The rich buy new boats - like G-650s - and all the people in the income stream benefit from them buying stuff. I bought a used Catalina 27 back in the late 90s and the only one who benefited was the salesman... it's just not the same, but the rich must buy the new stuff so the used stuff will be around. It's the same will all kinds of new things we take for granted. Remember when 40" TVs came out and sold for $3000-$5000? Only the rich would buy them but by doing so they drove the price down to the point us normal people can afford them. Trickle Down really works but the liberals try to criticize it because it doesn't fit their agenda. Sincerely, Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Larry T wrote: > but the rich must buy the new stuff so the used stuff will be around. > Case in point: How often do any of US buy a NEW Mercedes? ;-) -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Trickle down works GREAT for the ultra wealthy, for sure. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Larry T wrote: > Good point Rich - > Back in the 90s the liberals managed to pass a "Tax the rich' bill - > following that, many boatyards closed and laid off workers - may extreme > craftsmen who had to find other work. Often that talent is lost forever. > The rich buy new boats - like G-650s - and all the people in the income > stream benefit from them buying stuff. I bought a used Catalina 27 back > in the late 90s and the only one who benefited was the salesman... it's > just not the same, but the rich must buy the new stuff so the used stuff > will be around. > > It's the same will all kinds of new things we take for granted. Remember > when 40" TVs came out and sold for $3000-$5000? Only the rich would buy > them but by doing so they drove the price down to the point us normal > people can afford them. > > Trickle Down really works but the liberals try to criticize it because it > doesn't fit their agenda. > > Sincerely, > Larry > > On 1/26/2014 9:45 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: > >> I had dinner with my cousin last night. Her husband works for Gulfstream >> in Savannah. They build G-650s there, which start at $65mil. If one were >> to order one today it would take at least 3 years to get it. He says there >> are people who pull out their checkbook to try to buy out someone further >> up the queue. These are likely rich folks or corporations. >> >> So Gulfstream have 5 or 6 factories around the country, all working flat >> out to build various aircraft. That $65mil and whatever the others cost >> employs thousands of people, supports various other industries, keeps the >> economies of their home communities going, and must add at least that value >> to their buyers in some ways. Oh, and to run one costs a fair amount of the >> purchase price each year, requires many pilots, hangars, fuel, maintenance >> etc etc which also keeps the economy going. And apparently did quite well >> even over the past few years. >> >> So, seems to me like rich folks and corporations have positive effects as >> well, whatever vilification the various politicos want to heap on them. >> Hell, I'd like to buy a G-650 and trod down all y'all. >> >> --R (sent from my miniPad) >> >> On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:27 PM, "Scott Ritchey" wrote: >> >> >> Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal >> folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that >> walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money made >> us >> all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam >> Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least enriched >> our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand >> does >> as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners >> and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use >> their >> wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, >> Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the >> common good. >> >> Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a >> problem? >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Good point Rich - Back in the 90s the liberals managed to pass a "Tax the rich' bill - following that, many boatyards closed and laid off workers - may extreme craftsmen who had to find other work. Often that talent is lost forever. The rich buy new boats - like G-650s - and all the people in the income stream benefit from them buying stuff. I bought a used Catalina 27 back in the late 90s and the only one who benefited was the salesman... it's just not the same, but the rich must buy the new stuff so the used stuff will be around. It's the same will all kinds of new things we take for granted. Remember when 40" TVs came out and sold for $3000-$5000? Only the rich would buy them but by doing so they drove the price down to the point us normal people can afford them. Trickle Down really works but the liberals try to criticize it because it doesn't fit their agenda. Sincerely, Larry On 1/26/2014 9:45 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I had dinner with my cousin last night. Her husband works for Gulfstream in Savannah. They build G-650s there, which start at $65mil. If one were to order one today it would take at least 3 years to get it. He says there are people who pull out their checkbook to try to buy out someone further up the queue. These are likely rich folks or corporations. So Gulfstream have 5 or 6 factories around the country, all working flat out to build various aircraft. That $65mil and whatever the others cost employs thousands of people, supports various other industries, keeps the economies of their home communities going, and must add at least that value to their buyers in some ways. Oh, and to run one costs a fair amount of the purchase price each year, requires many pilots, hangars, fuel, maintenance etc etc which also keeps the economy going. And apparently did quite well even over the past few years. So, seems to me like rich folks and corporations have positive effects as well, whatever vilification the various politicos want to heap on them. Hell, I'd like to buy a G-650 and trod down all y'all. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:27 PM, "Scott Ritchey" wrote: Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money made us all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least enriched our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand does as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use their wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the common good. Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a problem? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
I had dinner with my cousin last night. Her husband works for Gulfstream in Savannah. They build G-650s there, which start at $65mil. If one were to order one today it would take at least 3 years to get it. He says there are people who pull out their checkbook to try to buy out someone further up the queue. These are likely rich folks or corporations. So Gulfstream have 5 or 6 factories around the country, all working flat out to build various aircraft. That $65mil and whatever the others cost employs thousands of people, supports various other industries, keeps the economies of their home communities going, and must add at least that value to their buyers in some ways. Oh, and to run one costs a fair amount of the purchase price each year, requires many pilots, hangars, fuel, maintenance etc etc which also keeps the economy going. And apparently did quite well even over the past few years. So, seems to me like rich folks and corporations have positive effects as well, whatever vilification the various politicos want to heap on them. Hell, I'd like to buy a G-650 and trod down all y'all. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:27 PM, "Scott Ritchey" wrote: Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money made us all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least enriched our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand does as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use their wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the common good. Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a problem? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's a problem insofar that the ability to build businesses rest with a few, who may or may not be inclined to start new ventures. For instance are we seeing the Waltons building factories in the US to produce goods to sell at wallymart? (as a side note, they are generous in donations but) Is Apple building factories or producing iWhatever in the states. Are any components in iProducts produced in western countries? OK Apple does perhaps do a lot of high level designing/programming in Cally but that don't help average Joe get a job. Then we start looking beyond our own back yard and go to the poorer places, now they don't have too many billonaires or even millonaires, so are relying on outside help to build their economy. The help they seem to be getting is multi nationals going in there and paying the lowest wage they can, which in turn does not help the economy, as the money just don't flow. There are a lot more factors that go into it but the basis is that if the wealth is more spread out, then there is more chance of those who can do something, will do something to give others a leg up, instead of a hand out. Hendrik who sponsors a child in Vietnam On 27/01/14 11:58, Mountain Man wrote: Scott wrote: Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a problem? +1 mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Scott wrote: > Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a > problem? +1 mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money made us all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least enriched our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand does as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use their wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the common good. Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a problem? > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Mountain Man > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 10:37 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the > people > > H & F wrote: > > I personally don't think concentration of wealth to that degree is. > > > > ... Perhaps one of the differences is > that we see the person that is a trillionaire whereas years ago we > never knew who was the trillionaire in the neighborhood. Wealth is > more conspicuous today, that's all. > We need to quit bitchn' and count our blessings. We are wealthy. Not > trillionaire wealthy, but wealthy... > mao > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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H & F wrote: > I personally don't think concentration of wealth to that degree is. > Our problem is that we are looking at a time horizon of a decade. In the larger time window, wealth has always been concentrated to similar levels as we know today, probably. Perhaps one of the differences is that we see the person that is a trillionaire whereas years ago we never knew who was the trillionaire in the neighborhood. Wealth is more conspicuous today, that's all. We need to quit bitchn' and count our blessings. We are wealthy. Not trillionaire wealthy, but wealthy. Healthcare? - yeah, take care of your health or someone else will eat you alive and become a trillionaire taking care of you. Note: All of this commentary from a guy that drives a 3-pedal mercedesbenz W123 that has been unemployed for 3 years with no savings nor resources nor any take from the pogroms out there that you pay taxes and not old enuf to take the social security portion that has been promised for me to take at early withdrawal date. Yeah, I could bitch but cannot, really. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Well is it good? I personally don't think concentration of wealth to that degree is. Where are the jobs? A that's right the Waltons are opening another wallymart on the corner and Microcrap is rolling out another buggy pile of junk to keep it's code slaves busy patching up. The problem is a l lot of the middle sized companies are gone, swallowed up by the big fish, stripped down and production shipped OS, just so some person gets another few million to put on the big pile they already have. But hey they have no obligation to provide decent jobs, so that's alright, they have an obligation under the mantra of 'greed is good' to make money for themselves. However I hope that they have at least an understanding that desperate people do desperate things. Hendrik who is not desperate yet On 24/01/14 01:58, Dieselhead wrote: Here are the 85 richest: http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/list/ My question is: What does this comparison reveal? Of what use is it other than to point up the fact that 85 wealthy people have as much money as the half the worlds people who are the poorest? Some will say that the world has become a plutocracy since these wealthy people meet in Davos yearly and plan the worlds direction. Is that necessarily bad? Historically, the world has seen many plutocracies large and small. Some are of great value to the citizens in their realm such as was the plutocracy that controlled Venice, the richest city in Europe during the Middle Ages. It's citizens prospered due to the decisions of the wealthy families of Venice. Currently the U.S. has the most billionaires and the U.S. is the most prosperous nation on earth. Barring bad luck, we Americans prosper according to our ambitions, abilities, wisdom, and intelligence. I was born in 1929 and I've seen the U.S. grow from a time when many thought it was doomed, to the richest and most powerful nation on earth, and many of the people who saved it were wealthy or those who sought wealth. Great leaders come in all sizes, shapes, temperaments, and ambitions; and they often become wealthy. As long as a nation such as the US remains a democracy, wealthy people who become a threat can be suppressed; one way or another. (End of rant) Gerry Only the socialist/(whatever name they want) think it is bad. They try to use that to rile up the populace. The ruskie revolution shows the template. They got two sides fighting, let them wear down, then came in and wiped out the remnants of both sides. Mao the murderer did the same. Allies vs the Axis. One point though. The USA is not a democracy, We are a republic. I pledge allieganse to the flag, and to the democracy for which it stands BBZ no It is "to the Republic" ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
