Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Only way I could get brakes on the 85 107 was pressure bleeding from each wheel cyl. The ABS kept it from bleeding top down, but I could bleed the SDL with the same ABS by gravity. I figgered something was stuck in the ABS unit? Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 5/24/19 1:15 PM: Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking. Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of braking action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted out yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does return but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. Also, when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or oven 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the red brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do not see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than they were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never very good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly new also. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
You mean looser. On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 5:07 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I think moving from MA to CA would make you a two-time loser. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > Curt Raymond via Mercedes > > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 2:02 AM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List ; Mercedes > > Discussion List > > Cc: Curt Raymond > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes > > > > It's rained in MA every week since last June. I don't know how much we've > > exceeded our yearly totals by but it's got to be feet. It's the kind of > weather > > that makes people move to California. I was in California a couple weeks > ago > > and it rained a little.Right now I'm in Italy and, you guessed it, it's > rained... > > Curt > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > > On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:08 PM, Mitch Haley via > > Mercedes wrote: > > > On May 25, 2019 at 1:29 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > We have had a wet spring here, but nothing like having the water plant > > flooded out. > > > > Last weekend they said we had 4.3" of our 2.3" average May rainfall > already. > > This has been a wet week, I'm sure we're well over 5" for the month, > with a > > good chance for 6" by the 31st. > > No serious floods, but I still haven't been able to get the lawnmower on > my > > front yard. Tried to venture 20' past where I'd been mowing yesterday, > got the > > mower stuck a couple times and decided to just stick to the back and side > > yards. > > Mitch. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I think moving from MA to CA would make you a two-time loser. > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Curt Raymond via Mercedes > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 2:02 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List ; Mercedes > Discussion List > Cc: Curt Raymond > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes > > It's rained in MA every week since last June. I don't know how much we've > exceeded our yearly totals by but it's got to be feet. It's the kind of > weather > that makes people move to California. I was in California a couple weeks ago > and it rained a little.Right now I'm in Italy and, you guessed it, it's > rained... > Curt > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:08 PM, Mitch Haley via > Mercedes wrote: > > On May 25, 2019 at 1:29 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > > > We have had a wet spring here, but nothing like having the water plant > flooded out. > > Last weekend they said we had 4.3" of our 2.3" average May rainfall already. > This has been a wet week, I'm sure we're well over 5" for the month, with a > good chance for 6" by the 31st. > No serious floods, but I still haven't been able to get the lawnmower on my > front yard. Tried to venture 20' past where I'd been mowing yesterday, got the > mower stuck a couple times and decided to just stick to the back and side > yards. > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
On Mon, 27 May 2019 07:00:31 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: > Come to SC. We’re in a drought > > --FT No, no! Come to New Mexico! Craig > Sent from iPhone > > > On May 27, 2019, at 2:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > It's rained in MA every week since last June. I don't know how much > > we've exceeded our yearly totals by but it's got to be feet. It's the > > kind of weather that makes people move to California. I was in > > California a couple weeks ago and it rained a little.Right now I'm in > > Italy and, you guessed it, it's rained... Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
DC had a wet April but May has been pretty dry. On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 7:01 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Come to SC. We’re in a drought > > --FT > Sent from iPhone > > > On May 27, 2019, at 2:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > It's rained in MA every week since last June. I don't know how much > we've exceeded our yearly totals by but it's got to be feet. It's the kind > of weather that makes people move to California. I was in California a > couple weeks ago and it rained a little.Right now I'm in Italy and, you > guessed it, it's rained... > > Curt > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > >> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:08 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes< > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> On May 25, 2019 at 1:29 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> We have had a wet spring here, but nothing like having the water plant > flooded out. > > > > Last weekend they said we had 4.3" of our 2.3" average May rainfall > already. This has been a wet week, I'm sure we're well over 5" for the > month, with a good chance for 6" by the 31st. > > No serious floods, but I still haven't been able to get the lawnmower on > my front yard. Tried to venture 20' past where I'd been mowing yesterday, > got the mower stuck a couple times and decided to just stick to the back > and side yards. > > Mitch. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Come to SC. We’re in a drought --FT Sent from iPhone > On May 27, 2019, at 2:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > It's rained in MA every week since last June. I don't know how much we've > exceeded our yearly totals by but it's got to be feet. It's the kind of > weather that makes people move to California. I was in California a couple > weeks ago and it rained a little.Right now I'm in Italy and, you guessed it, > it's rained... > Curt > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > >> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:08 PM, Mitch Haley via >> Mercedes wrote: >> On May 25, 2019 at 1:29 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> We have had a wet spring here, but nothing like having the water plant >> flooded out. > > Last weekend they said we had 4.3" of our 2.3" average May rainfall already. > This has been a wet week, I'm sure we're well over 5" for the month, with a > good chance for 6" by the 31st. > No serious floods, but I still haven't been able to get the lawnmower on my > front yard. Tried to venture 20' past where I'd been mowing yesterday, got > the mower stuck a couple times and decided to just stick to the back and side > yards. > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
It's rained in MA every week since last June. I don't know how much we've exceeded our yearly totals by but it's got to be feet. It's the kind of weather that makes people move to California. I was in California a couple weeks ago and it rained a little.Right now I'm in Italy and, you guessed it, it's rained... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:08 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > On May 25, 2019 at 1:29 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > > We have had a wet spring here, but nothing like having the water plant > flooded out. Last weekend they said we had 4.3" of our 2.3" average May rainfall already. This has been a wet week, I'm sure we're well over 5" for the month, with a good chance for 6" by the 31st. No serious floods, but I still haven't been able to get the lawnmower on my front yard. Tried to venture 20' past where I'd been mowing yesterday, got the mower stuck a couple times and decided to just stick to the back and side yards. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Disks require a lot more hydraulic pressure than drums. With disks up front and drums in the back the proportioning valve reduces pressure to the drums and applies the drums first. I suspect the disks would get little hydraulic pressure until pressure to the drums builds. > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 5:38 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Kaleb Striplin > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes > > I just had no idea the rears made than much difference. Now I know. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 25, 2019, at 4:27 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > YEAHH !! > > > > Glad it's finally working as it should > > > > On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Well I couldn’t stand it anymore so I went out and jacked it up and > >> got under it to adjust them. The right one was way loose and took a > >> lot to tighten them up. The left side was not too bad so not sure why > >> they were different. Maybe I had already turned the one side out a > >> little. Anyway took about 5 minutes and now she will lock them up if > >> you slam on it. ABS light is on, has already been on and have not > >> checked it out so it’s regular old fashioned brakes for now. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 25, 2019, at 3:12 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > >>> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Ahhh... forget all the chatter about vac booster then. If you > >>> have hydro boost, your brake pressure should be about 3 times as > >>> much as vac boost and the brake system should stand you on your nose > >>> with engine running. > >>> Hydro boost takes hydraulic pressure from power steering pump. Which > >> still > >>> doesn't explain why you have no stopping power. > >>> > >>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 10:19 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> This truck does not have a vacuum booster, it is hydro boost > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On May 25, 2019, at 12:15 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Kaleb, > >>>>> Here is a youtube vid on how to check your vac booster. It's not a > >> great > >>>>> video, but it shows what to look for, mostly, if you have a > >>>>> booster > >> that > >>>> is > >>>>> leaking. > >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSbdVdmPu0c > >>>>> > >>>>> Also have a look at this, if any of the items on list fits your > >> symptoms, > >>>>> it may indicate your brake booster is failing, thus, bad stopping > >> power, > >>>> ie > >>>>> brakes are for crap. > >>>>> > >>>> > >> https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/symptoms-of-a-bad-or-failing-pow > >> er-brake-booster > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:55 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I had to abandon the project for now. After the huge rain last > >>>>>> night > >>>> water > >>>>>> is on the rise again and they are shutting off the water at noon. > >>>>>> I finished up the oil, trans, and transfer case fluid chance then > >>>>>> needed > >>>> to > >>>>>> come in and take a shower while we still have water. I then spent > >>>>>> the > >>>> last > >>>>>> 2 hours filling up everything around the house that will hold water. > >> No > >>>>>> telling how long it will be off. If the water gets up into the > >>>> electrical > >>>>>> of the water plant it could be a month. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On May 25, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > >>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>>
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I have a Chevy van that has hydro boost. I have to really stand on the brakes to make them stop. Someone told me it may be a problem with either the spring in the hydro boost itself or a low pressure problem in the power steering pump which is where the hydro boost get it's power from. Never did anything about it as I don't use it much. MG G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Ahhh... forget all the chatter about vac booster then. If you have hydro boost, your brake pressure should be about 3 times as much as vac boost and the brake system should stand you on your nose with engine running. Hydro boost takes hydraulic pressure from power steering pump. Which still doesn't explain why you have no stopping power. On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 10:19 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: This truck does not have a vacuum booster, it is hydro boost Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2019, at 12:15 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Kaleb, Here is a youtube vid on how to check your vac booster. It's not a great video, but it shows what to look for, mostly, if you have a booster that is leaking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSbdVdmPu0c Also have a look at this, if any of the items on list fits your symptoms, it may indicate your brake booster is failing, thus, bad stopping power, ie brakes are for crap. https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/symptoms-of-a-bad-or-failing-power-brake-booster On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:55 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I had to abandon the project for now. After the huge rain last night water is on the rise again and they are shutting off the water at noon. I finished up the oil, trans, and transfer case fluid chance then needed to come in and take a shower while we still have water. I then spent the last 2 hours filling up everything around the house that will hold water. No telling how long it will be off. If the water gets up into the electrical of the water plant it could be a month. Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: On May 25, 2019 at 9:46 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: No it always seems to go down the same distance. In my experience, I can 'pump up' a loose drum brake mechanism, but I can't 'pump up' an air pocket. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I just had no idea the rears made than much difference. Now I know. Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2019, at 4:27 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > YEAHH !! > > Glad it's finally working as it should > > On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Well I couldn’t stand it anymore so I went out and jacked it up and got >> under it to adjust them. The right one was way loose and took a lot to >> tighten them up. The left side was not too bad so not sure why they were >> different. Maybe I had already turned the one side out a little. Anyway >> took about 5 minutes and now she will lock them up if you slam on it. ABS >> light is on, has already been on and have not checked it out so it’s >> regular old fashioned brakes for now. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 25, 2019, at 3:12 PM, G Mann via Mercedes >> wrote: >>> >>> Ahhh... forget all the chatter about vac booster then. If you have >>> hydro boost, your brake pressure should be about 3 times as much as vac >>> boost and the brake system should stand you on your nose with engine >>> running. >>> Hydro boost takes hydraulic pressure from power steering pump. Which >> still >>> doesn't explain why you have no stopping power. >>> >>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 10:19 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> This truck does not have a vacuum booster, it is hydro boost Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2019, at 12:15 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Kaleb, > Here is a youtube vid on how to check your vac booster. It's not a >> great > video, but it shows what to look for, mostly, if you have a booster >> that is > leaking. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSbdVdmPu0c > > Also have a look at this, if any of the items on list fits your >> symptoms, > it may indicate your brake booster is failing, thus, bad stopping >> power, ie > brakes are for crap. > >> https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/symptoms-of-a-bad-or-failing-power-brake-booster > > On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:55 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I had to abandon the project for now. After the huge rain last night water >> is on the rise again and they are shutting off the water at noon. I >> finished up the oil, trans, and transfer case fluid chance then needed to >> come in and take a shower while we still have water. I then spent the last >> 2 hours filling up everything around the house that will hold water. >> No >> telling how long it will be off. If the water gets up into the electrical >> of the water plant it could be a month. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 25, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> On May 25, 2019 at 9:46 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: No it always seems to go down the same distance. >>> >>> In my experience, I can 'pump up' a loose drum brake mechanism, but I >> can't 'pump up' an air pocket. >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/ma
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
YEAHH !! Glad it's finally working as it should On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Well I couldn’t stand it anymore so I went out and jacked it up and got > under it to adjust them. The right one was way loose and took a lot to > tighten them up. The left side was not too bad so not sure why they were > different. Maybe I had already turned the one side out a little. Anyway > took about 5 minutes and now she will lock them up if you slam on it. ABS > light is on, has already been on and have not checked it out so it’s > regular old fashioned brakes for now. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 25, 2019, at 3:12 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > Ahhh... forget all the chatter about vac booster then. If you have > > hydro boost, your brake pressure should be about 3 times as much as vac > > boost and the brake system should stand you on your nose with engine > > running. > > Hydro boost takes hydraulic pressure from power steering pump. Which > still > > doesn't explain why you have no stopping power. > > > > On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 10:19 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> This truck does not have a vacuum booster, it is hydro boost > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 25, 2019, at 12:15 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Kaleb, > >>> Here is a youtube vid on how to check your vac booster. It's not a > great > >>> video, but it shows what to look for, mostly, if you have a booster > that > >> is > >>> leaking. > >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSbdVdmPu0c > >>> > >>> Also have a look at this, if any of the items on list fits your > symptoms, > >>> it may indicate your brake booster is failing, thus, bad stopping > power, > >> ie > >>> brakes are for crap. > >>> > >> > https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/symptoms-of-a-bad-or-failing-power-brake-booster > >>> > >>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:55 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > I had to abandon the project for now. After the huge rain last night > >> water > is on the rise again and they are shutting off the water at noon. I > finished up the oil, trans, and transfer case fluid chance then needed > >> to > come in and take a shower while we still have water. I then spent the > >> last > 2 hours filling up everything around the house that will hold water. > No > telling how long it will be off. If the water gets up into the > >> electrical > of the water plant it could be a month. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 25, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > >> On May 25, 2019 at 9:46 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> No it always seems to go down the same distance. > >> > > > > In my experience, I can 'pump up' a loose drum brake mechanism, but I > can't 'pump up' an air pocket. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailma
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
2 reliable trucks. I was down the road today as there were a lot of folks gathered. The fire dept was bringing a boat across to evacuate people who wanted to go. Water came up last night and as starting to get close to the neighbors house next door which is about 1/4 mile away. He is seriously thinking about leaving. They took several boat loads of people out. They said earlier they tried to drive a huge fire truck down the road and it was even too deep for it to make it. Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Excellent! > > Now you’ve got a reliable truck to get you out of the flood. Just don’t let > Regina drive it…. > > -D > >> On May 25, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Well I couldn’t stand it anymore so I went out and jacked it up and got >> under it to adjust them. The right one was way loose and took a lot to >> tighten them up. The left side was not too bad so not sure why they were >> different. Maybe I had already turned the one side out a little. Anyway took >> about 5 minutes and now she will lock them up if you slam on it. ABS light >> is on, has already been on and have not checked it out so it’s regular old >> fashioned brakes for now. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 25, 2019, at 3:12 PM, G Mann via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Ahhh... forget all the chatter about vac booster then. If you have >>> hydro boost, your brake pressure should be about 3 times as much as vac >>> boost and the brake system should stand you on your nose with engine >>> running. >>> Hydro boost takes hydraulic pressure from power steering pump. Which still >>> doesn't explain why you have no stopping power. >>> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Excellent! Now you’ve got a reliable truck to get you out of the flood. Just don’t let Regina drive it…. -D > On May 25, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Well I couldn’t stand it anymore so I went out and jacked it up and got under > it to adjust them. The right one was way loose and took a lot to tighten them > up. The left side was not too bad so not sure why they were different. Maybe > I had already turned the one side out a little. Anyway took about 5 minutes > and now she will lock them up if you slam on it. ABS light is on, has already > been on and have not checked it out so it’s regular old fashioned brakes for > now. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 25, 2019, at 3:12 PM, G Mann via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Ahhh... forget all the chatter about vac booster then. If you have >> hydro boost, your brake pressure should be about 3 times as much as vac >> boost and the brake system should stand you on your nose with engine >> running. >> Hydro boost takes hydraulic pressure from power steering pump. Which still >> doesn't explain why you have no stopping power. >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well I couldn’t stand it anymore so I went out and jacked it up and got under it to adjust them. The right one was way loose and took a lot to tighten them up. The left side was not too bad so not sure why they were different. Maybe I had already turned the one side out a little. Anyway took about 5 minutes and now she will lock them up if you slam on it. ABS light is on, has already been on and have not checked it out so it’s regular old fashioned brakes for now. Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2019, at 3:12 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > Ahhh... forget all the chatter about vac booster then. If you have > hydro boost, your brake pressure should be about 3 times as much as vac > boost and the brake system should stand you on your nose with engine > running. > Hydro boost takes hydraulic pressure from power steering pump. Which still > doesn't explain why you have no stopping power. > > On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 10:19 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> This truck does not have a vacuum booster, it is hydro boost >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 25, 2019, at 12:15 PM, G Mann via Mercedes >> wrote: >>> >>> Kaleb, >>> Here is a youtube vid on how to check your vac booster. It's not a great >>> video, but it shows what to look for, mostly, if you have a booster that >> is >>> leaking. >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSbdVdmPu0c >>> >>> Also have a look at this, if any of the items on list fits your symptoms, >>> it may indicate your brake booster is failing, thus, bad stopping power, >> ie >>> brakes are for crap. >>> >> https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/symptoms-of-a-bad-or-failing-power-brake-booster >>> >>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:55 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> I had to abandon the project for now. After the huge rain last night >> water is on the rise again and they are shutting off the water at noon. I finished up the oil, trans, and transfer case fluid chance then needed >> to come in and take a shower while we still have water. I then spent the >> last 2 hours filling up everything around the house that will hold water. No telling how long it will be off. If the water gets up into the >> electrical of the water plant it could be a month. Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> On May 25, 2019 at 9:46 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> No it always seems to go down the same distance. >> > > In my experience, I can 'pump up' a loose drum brake mechanism, but I can't 'pump up' an air pocket. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ahhh... forget all the chatter about vac booster then. If you have hydro boost, your brake pressure should be about 3 times as much as vac boost and the brake system should stand you on your nose with engine running. Hydro boost takes hydraulic pressure from power steering pump. Which still doesn't explain why you have no stopping power. On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 10:19 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > This truck does not have a vacuum booster, it is hydro boost > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 25, 2019, at 12:15 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > Kaleb, > > Here is a youtube vid on how to check your vac booster. It's not a great > > video, but it shows what to look for, mostly, if you have a booster that > is > > leaking. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSbdVdmPu0c > > > > Also have a look at this, if any of the items on list fits your symptoms, > > it may indicate your brake booster is failing, thus, bad stopping power, > ie > > brakes are for crap. > > > https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/symptoms-of-a-bad-or-failing-power-brake-booster > > > > On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:55 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> I had to abandon the project for now. After the huge rain last night > water > >> is on the rise again and they are shutting off the water at noon. I > >> finished up the oil, trans, and transfer case fluid chance then needed > to > >> come in and take a shower while we still have water. I then spent the > last > >> 2 hours filling up everything around the house that will hold water. No > >> telling how long it will be off. If the water gets up into the > electrical > >> of the water plant it could be a month. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 25, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > On May 25, 2019 at 9:46 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > No it always seems to go down the same distance. > > >>> > >>> In my experience, I can 'pump up' a loose drum brake mechanism, but I > >> can't 'pump up' an air pocket. > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rural water, septic. No well water Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2019, at 2:54 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Kaleb sez: > > >> After the huge rain last night water is on the rise again and they are >> shutting off the water at noon > > > Huh. I thought you were on well and septic. > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hey at least you didnt have a foot of snow on Wednesday like my Sister. Mammoth also had 29" in May. There is a lot of water falling out of the sky all over the country. On Sat, May 25, 2019, 11:23 AM Mountain Man via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Mitch wrote: > > Last weekend they said we had 4.3" of our 2.3" average May rainfall > already. > > A video yesterday talked about Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) affects - > yeah, weather. > Is this new stuff? - or, does everyone know all about this? > Or, we need to hear from our LANL science guy - Craig?? > tin > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb sez: >After the huge rain last night water is on the rise again and they are >shutting off the water at noon Huh. I thought you were on well and septic. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I finally got all of mine done last week, couple months after the usual date as I generally start mowing in March. Hard to mow when the deck digs into the soil The only good thing about is the farmer across the corner planted crimson clover as a cover crop and couldn't get it sprayed to plant corn until well after it bloomed. My bees made quite a bit of honey off of it, I think. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch wrote: > Last weekend they said we had 4.3" of our 2.3" average May rainfall already. A video yesterday talked about Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) affects - yeah, weather. Is this new stuff? - or, does everyone know all about this? Or, we need to hear from our LANL science guy - Craig?? tin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> On May 25, 2019 at 1:29 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > > We have had a wet spring here, but nothing like having the water plant > flooded out. Last weekend they said we had 4.3" of our 2.3" average May rainfall already. This has been a wet week, I'm sure we're well over 5" for the month, with a good chance for 6" by the 31st. No serious floods, but I still haven't been able to get the lawnmower on my front yard. Tried to venture 20' past where I'd been mowing yesterday, got the mower stuck a couple times and decided to just stick to the back and side yards. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh yea today the red brake light stayed off. Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2019, at 12:38 PM, Kaleb Striplin wrote: > > If the water does not actually get shut off I may try to tackle it later. I > just don’t want to get all greasy then not have a way to clean up afterward. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 25, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> We have had a wet spring here, but nothing like having the water plant >> flooded out. >> >> When you get a chance, adjust the rear shoes and I think you will have >> proper brakes. They only self-adjust when you are backing up and stopping, >> so it can take a very long time for them to self-adjust, and they might not >> at all if the shoes aren't dragging on the drums when applied. >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If the water does not actually get shut off I may try to tackle it later. I just don’t want to get all greasy then not have a way to clean up afterward. Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > We have had a wet spring here, but nothing like having the water plant > flooded out. > > When you get a chance, adjust the rear shoes and I think you will have proper > brakes. They only self-adjust when you are backing up and stopping, so it > can take a very long time for them to self-adjust, and they might not at all > if the shoes aren't dragging on the drums when applied. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
We have had a wet spring here, but nothing like having the water plant flooded out. When you get a chance, adjust the rear shoes and I think you will have proper brakes. They only self-adjust when you are backing up and stopping, so it can take a very long time for them to self-adjust, and they might not at all if the shoes aren't dragging on the drums when applied. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This truck does not have a vacuum booster, it is hydro boost Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2019, at 12:15 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > Kaleb, > Here is a youtube vid on how to check your vac booster. It's not a great > video, but it shows what to look for, mostly, if you have a booster that is > leaking. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSbdVdmPu0c > > Also have a look at this, if any of the items on list fits your symptoms, > it may indicate your brake booster is failing, thus, bad stopping power, ie > brakes are for crap. > https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/symptoms-of-a-bad-or-failing-power-brake-booster > > On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:55 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I had to abandon the project for now. After the huge rain last night water >> is on the rise again and they are shutting off the water at noon. I >> finished up the oil, trans, and transfer case fluid chance then needed to >> come in and take a shower while we still have water. I then spent the last >> 2 hours filling up everything around the house that will hold water. No >> telling how long it will be off. If the water gets up into the electrical >> of the water plant it could be a month. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 25, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> On May 25, 2019 at 9:46 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: No it always seems to go down the same distance. >>> >>> In my experience, I can 'pump up' a loose drum brake mechanism, but I >> can't 'pump up' an air pocket. >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb, Here is a youtube vid on how to check your vac booster. It's not a great video, but it shows what to look for, mostly, if you have a booster that is leaking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSbdVdmPu0c Also have a look at this, if any of the items on list fits your symptoms, it may indicate your brake booster is failing, thus, bad stopping power, ie brakes are for crap. https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/symptoms-of-a-bad-or-failing-power-brake-booster On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:55 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I had to abandon the project for now. After the huge rain last night water > is on the rise again and they are shutting off the water at noon. I > finished up the oil, trans, and transfer case fluid chance then needed to > come in and take a shower while we still have water. I then spent the last > 2 hours filling up everything around the house that will hold water. No > telling how long it will be off. If the water gets up into the electrical > of the water plant it could be a month. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 25, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > >> On May 25, 2019 at 9:46 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> No it always seems to go down the same distance. > >> > > > > In my experience, I can 'pump up' a loose drum brake mechanism, but I > can't 'pump up' an air pocket. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
That sucks! I guess when I get a generator, I need to put it on floats so it can power our well. We are near the top of a ridge so don't have a flooding problem for the most part. We only got one inch last night. On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 11:55 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I had to abandon the project for now. After the huge rain last night water > is on the rise again and they are shutting off the water at noon. I > finished up the oil, trans, and transfer case fluid chance then needed to > come in and take a shower while we still have water. I then spent the last > 2 hours filling up everything around the house that will hold water. No > telling how long it will be off. If the water gets up into the electrical > of the water plant it could be a month. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 25, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > >> On May 25, 2019 at 9:46 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> No it always seems to go down the same distance. > >> > > > > In my experience, I can 'pump up' a loose drum brake mechanism, but I > can't 'pump up' an air pocket. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I had to abandon the project for now. After the huge rain last night water is on the rise again and they are shutting off the water at noon. I finished up the oil, trans, and transfer case fluid chance then needed to come in and take a shower while we still have water. I then spent the last 2 hours filling up everything around the house that will hold water. No telling how long it will be off. If the water gets up into the electrical of the water plant it could be a month. Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > >> On May 25, 2019 at 9:46 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> No it always seems to go down the same distance. >> > > In my experience, I can 'pump up' a loose drum brake mechanism, but I can't > 'pump up' an air pocket. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
> On May 25, 2019 at 9:46 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > No it always seems to go down the same distance. > In my experience, I can 'pump up' a loose drum brake mechanism, but I can't 'pump up' an air pocket. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2019, at 2:33 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: >> Kaleb wrote: > >> When I pump the pedal it does return but >> its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. > > Does the pedal end up higher if you pump it? That is, one press > on the pedal and you say it goes down 3/4 of the way to the > floor. If you pump it 3-6 times does it get up to 1/2 or 1/4 No it always seems to go down the same distance. > >> Also, when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal >> travel or oven 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay >> steady. > > That suggests the master cylinder piston seals are not leaking.q That’s what I thought. > >> Also, the red brake lite is on that would come on if the parking >> brake is on, the manual says this indicates a brake problem. No >> joke. > > I can't say if the ABS is different - but historically the brake > light should turn of if there is a big difference between the > pressure on the front brakes compared to the back brakes. Like > maybe if the drums were not adjusted and so didn't develop much > pressure. > > Again, I have very limited ABS experience so I don't know what > might be different with that. That must be what it is. I am just not sure how it knows unless it is something in the abs unit. I will be going out shortly to adjust the drums. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Differential pressure switch in the brake proportioning valve (under the truck somewhere) that is telling you that there is no pressure in the rear circuit -- due to the shoes not contacting the drums most likely. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
> Kaleb wrote: > What I am trying to figure out is what the deal is the brake > warning light in the cluster. It comes on when the parking > brake is set. That is a lamp test and a "don't forget to release the parking brake" notice. > Also, when I was pushing the pedal the other day > it was off, but would come on as the pedal got close to the > floor. Pressure difference. As the pedal was pressed, front pressure got higher but if the back didn't also rise then the light would come on. > Today it seems to stay on all the time. As far as I can > tell, there is no electrical connection at the MC. On my older-than-yours Chevys it is a switch on the frame where there back and front circuits go separate ways. Just a brass block with a bunch of brake lines and a wire. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
> Kaleb wrote: > When I pump the pedal it does return but > its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. Does the pedal end up higher if you pump it? That is, one press on the pedal and you say it goes down 3/4 of the way to the floor. If you pump it 3-6 times does it get up to 1/2 or 1/4? > Also, when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal > travel or oven 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay > steady. That suggests the master cylinder piston seals are not leaking.q > Also, the red brake lite is on that would come on if the parking > brake is on, the manual says this indicates a brake problem. No > joke. I can't say if the ABS is different - but historically the brake light should turn of if there is a big difference between the pressure on the front brakes compared to the back brakes. Like maybe if the drums were not adjusted and so didn't develop much pressure. Again, I have very limited ABS experience so I don't know what might be different with that. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
On Fri, 24 May 2019 23:44:07 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > I suspect a brake proportioning valve turns the dash light on when the > brake pressures are out of balance. > > http://www.classicperform.com/Instructions/PDF/PVK.pdf A vehicle I had a long time ago had one of these which required a manual reset after the brakes had been imbalanced, like in bleeding. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I suspect a brake proportioning valve turns the dash light on when the brake pressures are out of balance. http://www.classicperform.com/Instructions/PDF/PVK.pdf > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 10:36 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes > > Must be the back since they are not properly adjusted yet. > > What I am trying to figure out is what the deal is the brake warning light in > the > cluster. It comes on when the parking brake is set. Also, when I was pushing > the pedal the other day it was off, but would come on as the pedal got close > to > the floor. Today it seems to stay on all the time. As far as I can tell, > there is no > electrical connection at the MC. Supposedly the light indicates if the > parking > brake is on or if there is a braking issue. I wonder if there is some switch > somewhere in the system that if the pedal goes too far to the floor it turns > the > light on. I can't seem to find much info on exactly what is tied into that > light. > > On 5/24/2019 9:27 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > > Remember that the MC has two sections (front and back brakes). Sounds > like one of them isn't working. > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > >> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > >> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 4:42 PM > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List > >> Cc: Kaleb Striplin > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes > >> > >> The braking effort seems fine. This has the hydro boost brakes rather > >> than the vacuum booster. I’m still suspecting the MC is weak. It’s > >> not expensive or hard to replace so I will probably replace it. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 24, 2019, at 3:06 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > >> wrote: > >>> I'm glad you mentioned that leading wheel cylinder issue. > >>> Which leads me to this: > >>> If the brake fluid is rank, which it was, and the wheel cylinder is > >>> leaking, it's likely the master cylinder rubber cups are also > >>> leaking, just a bit. When master cylinder leaks on Chebbys with > >>> brake vacuum booster behind it, the brake fluid eats the diaphragm > >>> in the vac brake booster, which means, you do not get "full brake > >>> assist" from the brake > >> booster. > >>> Eventually, the leak will get so bad you can hear vacuum leak > >>> sucking when you press the brakes, which are not doing their job. > >>> > >>> Could you have a failed or failing vac brake booster? If you do, > >>> ALWAYS replace booster and master cylinder as a pair. > >>> It's a Chebby falt point. might just be why brakes have been crap > >>> and still are. > >>> > >>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:55 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> The rear wheel cylinders were leaking and contaminated the shoes so > >>>> that is why o replaced all that. I’m going to adjust the shoes > >>>> either today or tomorrow then see what happens. It’s either that or > >>>> I somehow still have air on the lines, which I can’t see how. Or > >>>> air on master cylinder or it’s bad, it if it was bad I would think > >>>> it would start > >> sinking to the floor. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > >>>>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> In the interest of time and effort, try adjusting them, wheels on. > >>>>> If > >>>> they > >>>>> don't adjust out enough to lock up the wheel, then it's time to > >>>>> pull the drums and take them to FLAPS to be measured for ID. Could > >>>>> be why you > >>>> never > >>>>> had good brakes to start with, some dip wit did a brake job and > >>>>> took the drums beyond limit, so even though they "look fresh" they > >>>>> should, since > >>>> the > >>>>> shoes weren't rubbing on them, ha. > >>>>> > >>>>> That truck
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Usually uneven front-rear breaking is one of the things that turns on the brake idiot light. > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 10:36 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes > > Must be the back since they are not properly adjusted yet. > > What I am trying to figure out is what the deal is the brake warning light in > the > cluster. It comes on when the parking brake is set. Also, when I was pushing > the pedal the other day it was off, but would come on as the pedal got close > to > the floor. Today it seems to stay on all the time. As far as I can tell, > there is no > electrical connection at the MC. Supposedly the light indicates if the > parking > brake is on or if there is a braking issue. I wonder if there is some switch > somewhere in the system that if the pedal goes too far to the floor it turns > the > light on. I can't seem to find much info on exactly what is tied into that > light. > > On 5/24/2019 9:27 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > > Remember that the MC has two sections (front and back brakes). Sounds > like one of them isn't working. > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > >> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > >> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 4:42 PM > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List > >> Cc: Kaleb Striplin > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes > >> > >> The braking effort seems fine. This has the hydro boost brakes rather > >> than the vacuum booster. I’m still suspecting the MC is weak. It’s > >> not expensive or hard to replace so I will probably replace it. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 24, 2019, at 3:06 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > >> wrote: > >>> I'm glad you mentioned that leading wheel cylinder issue. > >>> Which leads me to this: > >>> If the brake fluid is rank, which it was, and the wheel cylinder is > >>> leaking, it's likely the master cylinder rubber cups are also > >>> leaking, just a bit. When master cylinder leaks on Chebbys with > >>> brake vacuum booster behind it, the brake fluid eats the diaphragm > >>> in the vac brake booster, which means, you do not get "full brake > >>> assist" from the brake > >> booster. > >>> Eventually, the leak will get so bad you can hear vacuum leak > >>> sucking when you press the brakes, which are not doing their job. > >>> > >>> Could you have a failed or failing vac brake booster? If you do, > >>> ALWAYS replace booster and master cylinder as a pair. > >>> It's a Chebby falt point. might just be why brakes have been crap > >>> and still are. > >>> > >>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:55 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> The rear wheel cylinders were leaking and contaminated the shoes so > >>>> that is why o replaced all that. I’m going to adjust the shoes > >>>> either today or tomorrow then see what happens. It’s either that or > >>>> I somehow still have air on the lines, which I can’t see how. Or > >>>> air on master cylinder or it’s bad, it if it was bad I would think > >>>> it would start > >> sinking to the floor. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > >>>>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> In the interest of time and effort, try adjusting them, wheels on. > >>>>> If > >>>> they > >>>>> don't adjust out enough to lock up the wheel, then it's time to > >>>>> pull the drums and take them to FLAPS to be measured for ID. Could > >>>>> be why you > >>>> never > >>>>> had good brakes to start with, some dip wit did a brake job and > >>>>> took the drums beyond limit, so even though they "look fresh" they > >>>>> should, since > >>>> the > >>>>> shoes weren't rubbing on them, ha. > >>>>> > >>>>> That truck should be able to lock up the wheels when you stomp the > >>
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Must be the back since they are not properly adjusted yet. What I am trying to figure out is what the deal is the brake warning light in the cluster. It comes on when the parking brake is set. Also, when I was pushing the pedal the other day it was off, but would come on as the pedal got close to the floor. Today it seems to stay on all the time. As far as I can tell, there is no electrical connection at the MC. Supposedly the light indicates if the parking brake is on or if there is a braking issue. I wonder if there is some switch somewhere in the system that if the pedal goes too far to the floor it turns the light on. I can't seem to find much info on exactly what is tied into that light. On 5/24/2019 9:27 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: Remember that the MC has two sections (front and back brakes). Sounds like one of them isn't working. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 4:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Kaleb Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes The braking effort seems fine. This has the hydro boost brakes rather than the vacuum booster. I’m still suspecting the MC is weak. It’s not expensive or hard to replace so I will probably replace it. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2019, at 3:06 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: I'm glad you mentioned that leading wheel cylinder issue. Which leads me to this: If the brake fluid is rank, which it was, and the wheel cylinder is leaking, it's likely the master cylinder rubber cups are also leaking, just a bit. When master cylinder leaks on Chebbys with brake vacuum booster behind it, the brake fluid eats the diaphragm in the vac brake booster, which means, you do not get "full brake assist" from the brake booster. Eventually, the leak will get so bad you can hear vacuum leak sucking when you press the brakes, which are not doing their job. Could you have a failed or failing vac brake booster? If you do, ALWAYS replace booster and master cylinder as a pair. It's a Chebby falt point. might just be why brakes have been crap and still are. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:55 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: The rear wheel cylinders were leaking and contaminated the shoes so that is why o replaced all that. I’m going to adjust the shoes either today or tomorrow then see what happens. It’s either that or I somehow still have air on the lines, which I can’t see how. Or air on master cylinder or it’s bad, it if it was bad I would think it would start sinking to the floor. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: In the interest of time and effort, try adjusting them, wheels on. If they don't adjust out enough to lock up the wheel, then it's time to pull the drums and take them to FLAPS to be measured for ID. Could be why you never had good brakes to start with, some dip wit did a brake job and took the drums beyond limit, so even though they "look fresh" they should, since the shoes weren't rubbing on them, ha. That truck should be able to lock up the wheels when you stomp the brake, so something is not where it should be. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:26 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or I guess I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, they still looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a ridge at the edge. I hate drum brakes. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up the wheel, then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. First couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn free with no drag. OR, Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, multiple times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing up, [clever huh?] My personal preference is to manually adjust them so I can actually feel that I have full contact, then back the adj off a touch. You will much improve pedal travel and brake contact. Question: Did you measure the rear drums when you had them off? It's possible they were turned to the limit at last brake job and are now out of limit large, so even new shoes won't fill the space? On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM,
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Remember that the MC has two sections (front and back brakes). Sounds like one of them isn't working. > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 4:42 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Kaleb Striplin > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes > > The braking effort seems fine. This has the hydro boost brakes rather than the > vacuum booster. I’m still suspecting the MC is weak. It’s not expensive or > hard > to replace so I will probably replace it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 24, 2019, at 3:06 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > I'm glad you mentioned that leading wheel cylinder issue. > > Which leads me to this: > > If the brake fluid is rank, which it was, and the wheel cylinder is > > leaking, it's likely the master cylinder rubber cups are also leaking, > > just a bit. When master cylinder leaks on Chebbys with brake vacuum > > booster behind it, the brake fluid eats the diaphragm in the vac brake > > booster, which means, you do not get "full brake assist" from the brake > booster. > > Eventually, the leak will get so bad you can hear vacuum leak sucking > > when you press the brakes, which are not doing their job. > > > > Could you have a failed or failing vac brake booster? If you do, > > ALWAYS replace booster and master cylinder as a pair. > > It's a Chebby falt point. might just be why brakes have been crap and > > still are. > > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:55 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> The rear wheel cylinders were leaking and contaminated the shoes so > >> that is why o replaced all that. I’m going to adjust the shoes either > >> today or tomorrow then see what happens. It’s either that or I > >> somehow still have air on the lines, which I can’t see how. Or air on > >> master cylinder or it’s bad, it if it was bad I would think it would start > sinking to the floor. > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > >>> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> In the interest of time and effort, try adjusting them, wheels on. > >>> If > >> they > >>> don't adjust out enough to lock up the wheel, then it's time to pull > >>> the drums and take them to FLAPS to be measured for ID. Could be why > >>> you > >> never > >>> had good brakes to start with, some dip wit did a brake job and took > >>> the drums beyond limit, so even though they "look fresh" they > >>> should, since > >> the > >>> shoes weren't rubbing on them, ha. > >>> > >>> That truck should be able to lock up the wheels when you stomp the > >>> brake, so something is not where it should be. > >>> > >>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:26 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or I > >> guess > >>>> I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, they > >> still > >>>> looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a > >>>> ridge at the edge. I hate drum brakes. > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. > >>>>> If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up > >>>>> the > >>>> wheel, > >>>>> then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. > >>>> First > >>>>> couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn > >>>>> free > >> with > >>>>> no drag. > >>>>> OR, > >>>>> Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, > >> multiple > >>>>> times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. > >>>>> The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing > >>>>> up, [clever huh?] My person
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
That could be my problem then. I will tackle that tomorrow. I had just expected the brakes to work OK with the fronts working until the rears adjusted out. On 5/24/2019 5:38 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: You won't have a pedal until you get the rear brakes adjusted. Drum brake cylinders are pretty big, and unlike disk brakes, the shoes retract completely every application. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
You won't have a pedal until you get the rear brakes adjusted. Drum brake cylinders are pretty big, and unlike disk brakes, the shoes retract completely every application. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Yes, replace the Cheby with a Mercedes ... On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:36 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I wonder is there is a reasonably priced way to upgrade them to disc > brakes > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > > >> I hate drum brakes. > > > > IMHO they are an extraordinarily elegant design, but not without their > > quirks and limitations. My favorite part is that they don't need > boosters > > to get good braking. > > > > -- Jim > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Ok thanks. As I said, I hate drum brakes and have not messed with them in many years Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > I asked my mechanic son about your problem and if there was anything special > about a 96 Chevy. > > He said not. He agreed that you need to tighten up the rear shoes to the > point where they drag a bit. > > He said that even if the front brakes were fine before you started working on > the rear brakes, the brakes would not feel right until you got the back > brakes set up properly. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I asked my mechanic son about your problem and if there was anything special about a 96 Chevy. He said not. He agreed that you need to tighten up the rear shoes to the point where they drag a bit. He said that even if the front brakes were fine before you started working on the rear brakes, the brakes would not feel right until you got the back brakes set up properly. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I seem to recall something about a tool, I may end up having to get one. Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes > wrote: > > I know my 99 Suburban needed some special tool to bleed the brakes... > something to open up the valves in the ABS unit. Its one of the few things > I've ever farmed out to a local shop. He replaced all the lines, wheel > cylinders, and calipers. The bleed screws were frozen and it was cheap to > get new parts than pay him to deal with it! > > Jaime > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 3:56 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> It’s not new, I have no idea how old it is. It’s possible it got sucked >> dry but I would think after adding new fluid and getting clear bubble free >> flow at all of the wheels the air should be out, but I could be wrong. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 24, 2019, at 2:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" writes: >>> If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels >> remove that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? >>> >>> If it's a new MC, you usually need to do a "bench bleed" before >>> installing. >>> >>> If it got low enough on fluid to suck air, not sure. >>> >>> Allan >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
The braking effort seems fine. This has the hydro boost brakes rather than the vacuum booster. I’m still suspecting the MC is weak. It’s not expensive or hard to replace so I will probably replace it. Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2019, at 3:06 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > I'm glad you mentioned that leading wheel cylinder issue. > Which leads me to this: > If the brake fluid is rank, which it was, and the wheel cylinder is > leaking, it's likely the master cylinder rubber cups are also leaking, just > a bit. When master cylinder leaks on Chebbys with brake vacuum booster > behind it, the brake fluid eats the diaphragm in the vac brake booster, > which means, you do not get "full brake assist" from the brake booster. > Eventually, the leak will get so bad you can hear vacuum leak sucking when > you press the brakes, which are not doing their job. > > Could you have a failed or failing vac brake booster? If you do, ALWAYS > replace booster and master cylinder as a pair. > It's a Chebby falt point. might just be why brakes have been crap and still > are. > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:55 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> The rear wheel cylinders were leaking and contaminated the shoes so that >> is why o replaced all that. I’m going to adjust the shoes either today or >> tomorrow then see what happens. It’s either that or I somehow still have >> air on the lines, which I can’t see how. Or air on master cylinder or it’s >> bad, it if it was bad I would think it would start sinking to the floor. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes >> wrote: >>> >>> In the interest of time and effort, try adjusting them, wheels on. If >> they >>> don't adjust out enough to lock up the wheel, then it's time to pull the >>> drums and take them to FLAPS to be measured for ID. Could be why you >> never >>> had good brakes to start with, some dip wit did a brake job and took the >>> drums beyond limit, so even though they "look fresh" they should, since >> the >>> shoes weren't rubbing on them, ha. >>> >>> That truck should be able to lock up the wheels when you stomp the brake, >>> so something is not where it should be. >>> >>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:26 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or I >> guess I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, they >> still looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a ridge at the edge. I hate drum brakes. Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. > If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up the wheel, > then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. First > couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn free >> with > no drag. > OR, > Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, >> multiple > times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. > The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing up, > [clever huh?] > My personal preference is to manually adjust them so I can actually >> feel > that I have full contact, then back the adj off a touch. > > You will much improve pedal travel and brake contact. > > Question: Did you measure the rear drums when you had them off? It's > possible they were turned to the limit at last brake job and are now >> out of > limit large, so even new shoes won't fill the space? > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels >> remove >> that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? >> >>> On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them >>> adjust out on their own. >>> On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would >> be my next move. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs >> unit, > then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran > about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and >> no > bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking. >
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I know my 99 Suburban needed some special tool to bleed the brakes... something to open up the valves in the ABS unit. Its one of the few things I've ever farmed out to a local shop. He replaced all the lines, wheel cylinders, and calipers. The bleed screws were frozen and it was cheap to get new parts than pay him to deal with it! Jaime On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 3:56 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > It’s not new, I have no idea how old it is. It’s possible it got sucked > dry but I would think after adding new fluid and getting clear bubble free > flow at all of the wheels the air should be out, but I could be wrong. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 24, 2019, at 2:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" writes: > > > >> If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels > remove > >> that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? > > > > If it's a new MC, you usually need to do a "bench bleed" before > > installing. > > > > If it got low enough on fluid to suck air, not sure. > > > > Allan > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I'm glad you mentioned that leading wheel cylinder issue. Which leads me to this: If the brake fluid is rank, which it was, and the wheel cylinder is leaking, it's likely the master cylinder rubber cups are also leaking, just a bit. When master cylinder leaks on Chebbys with brake vacuum booster behind it, the brake fluid eats the diaphragm in the vac brake booster, which means, you do not get "full brake assist" from the brake booster. Eventually, the leak will get so bad you can hear vacuum leak sucking when you press the brakes, which are not doing their job. Could you have a failed or failing vac brake booster? If you do, ALWAYS replace booster and master cylinder as a pair. It's a Chebby falt point. might just be why brakes have been crap and still are. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:55 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The rear wheel cylinders were leaking and contaminated the shoes so that > is why o replaced all that. I’m going to adjust the shoes either today or > tomorrow then see what happens. It’s either that or I somehow still have > air on the lines, which I can’t see how. Or air on master cylinder or it’s > bad, it if it was bad I would think it would start sinking to the floor. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > In the interest of time and effort, try adjusting them, wheels on. If > they > > don't adjust out enough to lock up the wheel, then it's time to pull the > > drums and take them to FLAPS to be measured for ID. Could be why you > never > > had good brakes to start with, some dip wit did a brake job and took the > > drums beyond limit, so even though they "look fresh" they should, since > the > > shoes weren't rubbing on them, ha. > > > > That truck should be able to lock up the wheels when you stomp the brake, > > so something is not where it should be. > > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:26 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or I > guess > >> I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, they > still > >> looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a ridge at > >> the edge. I hate drum brakes. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. > >>> If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up the > >> wheel, > >>> then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. > >> First > >>> couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn free > with > >>> no drag. > >>> OR, > >>> Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, > multiple > >>> times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. > >>> The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing up, > >>> [clever huh?] > >>> My personal preference is to manually adjust them so I can actually > feel > >>> that I have full contact, then back the adj off a touch. > >>> > >>> You will much improve pedal travel and brake contact. > >>> > >>> Question: Did you measure the rear drums when you had them off? It's > >>> possible they were turned to the limit at last brake job and are now > out > >> of > >>> limit large, so even new shoes won't fill the space? > >>> > >>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels > remove > that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? > > > On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > > Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them > > adjust out on their own. > > > >> On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > >> So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would > be > >> my > >> next move. > >> - > >> Max > >> Charleston SC > >> > >> > >> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs > unit, > >>> then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran > >>> about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and > no > >>> bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little > >> braking. > >>> Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of > >>> braking > >>> action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop > >>> pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted > >> out > >>> yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does > >> return > >>> but its not an instant ret
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
It’s not new, I have no idea how old it is. It’s possible it got sucked dry but I would think after adding new fluid and getting clear bubble free flow at all of the wheels the air should be out, but I could be wrong. Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2019, at 2:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" writes: > >> If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove >> that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? > > If it's a new MC, you usually need to do a "bench bleed" before > installing. > > If it got low enough on fluid to suck air, not sure. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
My 96 Silverado has rear drums, I had to replace the cylinders a year or so ago as one was leaking badly, I just ran the adjuster until the shoes were tight against the drum then went and did the back and forth thing. They settled in quick. --FT On 5/24/19 3:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: This is a 96 and it has drums. I think rear disk stated with the next body. My 02 has them. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: What year is it? Later years went to disc I think after 1995 for chebby. so a 96 and up diff would fit with discs. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:36 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I wonder is there is a reasonably priced way to upgrade them to disc brakes Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: I hate drum brakes. IMHO they are an extraordinarily elegant design, but not without their quirks and limitations. My favorite part is that they don't need boosters to get good braking. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
The rear wheel cylinders were leaking and contaminated the shoes so that is why o replaced all that. I’m going to adjust the shoes either today or tomorrow then see what happens. It’s either that or I somehow still have air on the lines, which I can’t see how. Or air on master cylinder or it’s bad, it if it was bad I would think it would start sinking to the floor. Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > In the interest of time and effort, try adjusting them, wheels on. If they > don't adjust out enough to lock up the wheel, then it's time to pull the > drums and take them to FLAPS to be measured for ID. Could be why you never > had good brakes to start with, some dip wit did a brake job and took the > drums beyond limit, so even though they "look fresh" they should, since the > shoes weren't rubbing on them, ha. > > That truck should be able to lock up the wheels when you stomp the brake, > so something is not where it should be. > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:26 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or I guess >> I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, they still >> looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a ridge at >> the edge. I hate drum brakes. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes >> wrote: >>> >>> If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. >>> If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up the >> wheel, >>> then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. >> First >>> couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn free with >>> no drag. >>> OR, >>> Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, multiple >>> times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. >>> The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing up, >>> [clever huh?] >>> My personal preference is to manually adjust them so I can actually feel >>> that I have full contact, then back the adj off a touch. >>> >>> You will much improve pedal travel and brake contact. >>> >>> Question: Did you measure the rear drums when you had them off? It's >>> possible they were turned to the limit at last brake job and are now out >> of >>> limit large, so even new shoes won't fill the space? >>> >>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? > On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them > adjust out on their own. > >> On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: >> So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be >> my >> next move. >> - >> Max >> Charleston SC >> >> >> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, >>> then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran >>> about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no >>> bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little >> braking. >>> Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of >>> braking >>> action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop >>> pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted >> out >>> yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does >> return >>> but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. >> Also, >>> when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or >>> oven >>> 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the >> red >>> brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the >>> manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do >> not >>> see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than >>> they >>> were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never >>> very >>> good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly >>> new also. >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > >
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
"Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" writes: > If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove > that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? If it's a new MC, you usually need to do a "bench bleed" before installing. If it got low enough on fluid to suck air, not sure. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
This is a 96 and it has drums. I think rear disk stated with the next body. My 02 has them. Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > What year is it? > Later years went to disc I think after 1995 for chebby. so a 96 and up > diff would fit with discs. > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:36 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I wonder is there is a reasonably priced way to upgrade them to disc >> brakes >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 24, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: >> I hate drum brakes. >>> >>> IMHO they are an extraordinarily elegant design, but not without their >>> quirks and limitations. My favorite part is that they don't need >> boosters >>> to get good braking. >>> >>> -- Jim >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I think you put the adjustment tool in a little slot in the backer plate to push on the toothed wheel on the adjuster? If the drum is on you can't get at it. The wheel should not interfere unless it makes it easier to get at the back of the brake assembly --FT On 5/24/19 3:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or I guess I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, they still looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a ridge at the edge. I hate drum brakes. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up the wheel, then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. First couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn free with no drag. OR, Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, multiple times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing up, [clever huh?] My personal preference is to manually adjust them so I can actually feel that I have full contact, then back the adj off a touch. You will much improve pedal travel and brake contact. Question: Did you measure the rear drums when you had them off? It's possible they were turned to the limit at last brake job and are now out of limit large, so even new shoes won't fill the space? On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them adjust out on their own. On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be my next move. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking. Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of braking action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted out yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does return but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. Also, when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or oven 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the red brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do not see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than they were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never very good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly new also. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
In the interest of time and effort, try adjusting them, wheels on. If they don't adjust out enough to lock up the wheel, then it's time to pull the drums and take them to FLAPS to be measured for ID. Could be why you never had good brakes to start with, some dip wit did a brake job and took the drums beyond limit, so even though they "look fresh" they should, since the shoes weren't rubbing on them, ha. That truck should be able to lock up the wheels when you stomp the brake, so something is not where it should be. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:26 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or I guess > I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, they still > looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a ridge at > the edge. I hate drum brakes. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. > > If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up the > wheel, > > then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. > First > > couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn free with > > no drag. > > OR, > > Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, multiple > > times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. > > The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing up, > > [clever huh?] > > My personal preference is to manually adjust them so I can actually feel > > that I have full contact, then back the adj off a touch. > > > > You will much improve pedal travel and brake contact. > > > > Question: Did you measure the rear drums when you had them off? It's > > possible they were turned to the limit at last brake job and are now out > of > > limit large, so even new shoes won't fill the space? > > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove > >> that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? > >> > >>> On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > >>> Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them > >>> adjust out on their own. > >>> > On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be > my > next move. > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, > > then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran > > about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no > > bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little > braking. > > Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of > > braking > > action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop > > pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted > out > > yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does > return > > but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. > Also, > > when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or > > oven > > 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the > red > > brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the > > manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do > not > > see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than > > they > > were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never > > very > > good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly > > new also. > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> > >>> --- > >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > >>> https://www.avg.com > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/l
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
What year is it? Later years went to disc I think after 1995 for chebby. so a 96 and up diff would fit with discs. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:36 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I wonder is there is a reasonably priced way to upgrade them to disc > brakes > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > > >> I hate drum brakes. > > > > IMHO they are an extraordinarily elegant design, but not without their > > quirks and limitations. My favorite part is that they don't need > boosters > > to get good braking. > > > > -- Jim > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I wonder is there is a reasonably priced way to upgrade them to disc brakes Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: >> I hate drum brakes. > > IMHO they are an extraordinarily elegant design, but not without their > quirks and limitations. My favorite part is that they don't need boosters > to get good braking. > > -- Jim > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> I hate drum brakes. IMHO they are an extraordinarily elegant design, but not without their quirks and limitations. My favorite part is that they don't need boosters to get good braking. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or I guess I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, they still looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a ridge at the edge. I hate drum brakes. Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. > If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up the wheel, > then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. First > couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn free with > no drag. > OR, > Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, multiple > times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. > The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing up, > [clever huh?] > My personal preference is to manually adjust them so I can actually feel > that I have full contact, then back the adj off a touch. > > You will much improve pedal travel and brake contact. > > Question: Did you measure the rear drums when you had them off? It's > possible they were turned to the limit at last brake job and are now out of > limit large, so even new shoes won't fill the space? > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove >> that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? >> >>> On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them >>> adjust out on their own. >>> On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be my next move. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, > then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran > about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no > bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking. > Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of > braking > action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop > pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted out > yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does return > but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. Also, > when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or > oven > 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the red > brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the > manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do not > see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than > they > were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never > very > good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly > new also. > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> https://www.avg.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up the wheel, then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. First couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn free with no drag. OR, Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, multiple times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing up, [clever huh?] My personal preference is to manually adjust them so I can actually feel that I have full contact, then back the adj off a touch. You will much improve pedal travel and brake contact. Question: Did you measure the rear drums when you had them off? It's possible they were turned to the limit at last brake job and are now out of limit large, so even new shoes won't fill the space? On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove > that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? > > On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > > Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them > > adjust out on their own. > > > > On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > >> So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be my > >> next move. > >> - > >> Max > >> Charleston SC > >> > >> > >> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, > >>> then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran > >>> about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no > >>> bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking. > >>> Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of > >>> braking > >>> action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop > >>> pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted out > >>> yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does return > >>> but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. Also, > >>> when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or > >>> oven > >>> 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the red > >>> brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the > >>> manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do not > >>> see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than > >>> they > >>> were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never > >>> very > >>> good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly > >>> new also. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > https://www.avg.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them adjust out on their own. On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be my next move. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking. Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of braking action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted out yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does return but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. Also, when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or oven 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the red brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do not see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than they were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never very good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly new also. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them adjust out on their own. On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be my next move. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking. Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of braking action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted out yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does return but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. Also, when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or oven 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the red brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do not see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than they were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never very good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly new also. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be my next move. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, > then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran > about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no > bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking. > Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of braking > action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop > pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted out > yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does return > but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. Also, > when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or oven > 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the red > brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the > manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do not > see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than they > were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never very > good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly new also. > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking. Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of braking action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted out yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does return but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. Also, when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or oven 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the red brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do not see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than they were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never very good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly new also. On 5/22/2019 10:02 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: Kaleb wrote: ... it just feels like it has no brakes at all, pedal seems to be going nearly to the floor. I am sure the rear drums are not adjusted all the way out yet but I would not think that would cause it to go to the floor. If there is not resistance for the slave cylinders to push against, much of the pressure of the master cylinder will not do much. If that is the case, there should be front brakes - but the pedal will not feel very stiff. Does the pedal come up when if you pump it? That points to "loose" slaves and not air. Does the pedal sink under steady pressure? That is a leak - most often past the piston seals in the master cylinder. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Your technique is OK with a brand new master cylinder but an old master cylinder will be rough beyond the range routinely wiped by the piston. That rough area will often ruin the seal. > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:26 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin > Subject: [MBZ] Chebby brakes > > I have been working on the brakes on my Suburban. All new brake shoes, > hardware, and wheel cylinders on the back. Brakes were weak before but > were OK, which I attributed to the leaking rear wheel cylinders. I put > everthing > back together and started doing the old fashioned bleeding with pushing on > the brake pedal and opening bleeder screw. It was not working that great > mainly because it is hard to get to the bleeder screws on the back. I then > ordered a speedi bleeder pressure bleeder. It arrived today, I hooked it up > and > pressured it up. I then opened the back until all the air was out and new > fluid > was coming in. Also did the fronts. Afterward it just feels like it has no > brakes > at all, pedal seems to be going nearly to the floor. I am sure the rear > drums are > not adjusted all the way out yet but I would not think that would cause it to > go > to the floor. Does this seem like I still have air in the lines or does this > seem like > a bad master cylinder? I need to get this finished up tomorrow. > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I will have to pump it and see what it does Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2019, at 10:02 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: >> Kaleb wrote: > >> ... it just feels like it has no >> brakes at all, pedal seems to be going nearly to the floor. I >> am sure the rear drums are not adjusted all the way out yet but >> I would not think that would cause it to go to the floor. > > If there is not resistance for the slave cylinders to push > against, much of the pressure of the master cylinder will not do > much. If that is the case, there should be front brakes - but the > pedal will not feel very stiff. > > Does the pedal come up when if you pump it? That points to > "loose" slaves and not air. > > Does the pedal sink under steady pressure? That is a leak - most > often past the piston seals in the master cylinder. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
> Kaleb wrote: > I had the bleeder pressured up to 20 per the instructions and > when the screws are open at the wheels the fluid sort of just > runs out, not under a great deal of pressure shooting out like I > am used to when opening it when having the pedal pressed. The pedal develops a _lot_ more than 20 PSI!! So maybe it's just that. Try it on another car to compare. Maybe one without ABS? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
> Kaleb wrote: > ... it just feels like it has no > brakes at all, pedal seems to be going nearly to the floor. I > am sure the rear drums are not adjusted all the way out yet but > I would not think that would cause it to go to the floor. If there is not resistance for the slave cylinders to push against, much of the pressure of the master cylinder will not do much. If that is the case, there should be front brakes - but the pedal will not feel very stiff. Does the pedal come up when if you pump it? That points to "loose" slaves and not air. Does the pedal sink under steady pressure? That is a leak - most often past the piston seals in the master cylinder. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
That 2nd video helps. I will do that procedure tomorrow and see what happens. On 5/22/2019 7:17 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Not sure what year you have. These might help. https://youtu.be/jdiOlEKTqrE https://youtu.be/AV9kX_qc0HQ Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Well, it's not a Mercedes --- cut your losses and sell it as "ran when parked" ... On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:52 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > This seems to be getting more complicated that I thought with the ABS > system on this truck. I am not sure if I should just go ahead and > replace the MC or not for good measure. If indeed the ABS system does > need to be bled, it seems like a complicated procedure that requires a > scan tool that I do not have. > > > https://www.justanswer.com/chevy/53ccp-chevy-k1500-96-chevy-k1500-kelsey-hayes-abs-brake-bleeding-i.html > > > https://www.motor.com/magazine-summary/nuts-bolts-kelsey-hayes-4wal-june-1998/ > > On 5/22/2019 7:31 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: > > Work the pedal while u flush it. Maybe sucked air in from reservoir to > the > > mc. > > > > On Wed, May 22, 2019, 5:08 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> PS I ran about 1.5 qt thru the system, but I guess I need to get some > >> more brake fluid. > >> > >> On 5/22/2019 7:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > >>> The bleed screws on the fronts are on top as are the rear wheel > >>> cylinders. I had the bleeder pressured up to 20 per the instructions > >>> and when the screws are open at the wheels the fluid sort of just runs > >>> out, not under a great deal of pressure shooting out like I am used to > >>> when opening it when having the pedal pressed. When I opened the RR > >>> screw which was the first one I did, I did get air coming out then > >>> clear fluid. When I did the LR next, I never seemed to get any air > >>> out. I did not seem to get air out of either of the fronts either, > >>> but since the front circuit was not open I would not think it got air > >>> in it. It does have ABS but I am not aware of a bleed screw on it. > >>> > >>> On 5/22/2019 6:35 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: > You still have air in there. If it has abs, be sure there is not a > bleeder > screw on that pump somewhere. The MC is probably fine. Be sure any > calipers > are on right side up; if the bleed screws are not on the top then the > sides > are switched and it will never firm up. You should run quarts of brake > fluid through the lines and be sure to close the screws while fluid is > still coming out. Push the pedal while pressurizing the system to > bleed the > MC also. Once the fluid is coming out clean you can just dump it back > into > the pressure bleeder and run it through again. > > On Wed, May 22, 2019, 3:58 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > Should have used the pressure bleeder first. That is one of the best > > labor > > saving devices ever invented. > > > > -D > > > >> On May 22, 2019, at 6:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Yea it pretty much goes to the floor with very little resistance. I > >> bet > > the mc was flakey anyway then finished it off pushing it all the way > > to the > > floor bleeding it (wife) > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 22, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> If you pumped the brakes all the way to the floor there’s a chance > >>> you > > damaged the cups on the piston in the master cylinder. Never, ever > > press a > > brake pedal all the way to the floor when bleeding. > >>> Does it just go straight to the floor or does it bleed down > somewhat > > slowly with your foot on the pedal? > >>> Adjust those rear drums out before you do anything else. That won’t > > cure your lousy pedal, but it eliminates a lot of slop in the system. > >>> -D > >>> > On May 22, 2019, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I have been working on the brakes on my Suburban. All new brake > > shoes, hardware, and wheel cylinders on the back. Brakes were weak > > before > > but were OK, which I attributed to the leaking rear wheel > > cylinders. I put > > everthing back together and started doing the old fashioned bleeding > > with > > pushing on the brake pedal and opening bleeder screw. It was not > > working > > that great mainly because it is hard to get to the bleeder screws on > > the > > back. I then ordered a speedi bleeder pressure bleeder. It arrived > > today, > > I hooked it up and pressured it up. I then opened the back until > > all the > > air was out and new fluid was coming in. Also did the fronts. > > Afterward > > it just feels like it has no brakes at all, pedal seems to be going > > nearly > > to the floor. I am sure the rear drums are not adjusted all the way > > out > > yet but I would not think that would cause it
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
This seems to be getting more complicated that I thought with the ABS system on this truck. I am not sure if I should just go ahead and replace the MC or not for good measure. If indeed the ABS system does need to be bled, it seems like a complicated procedure that requires a scan tool that I do not have. https://www.justanswer.com/chevy/53ccp-chevy-k1500-96-chevy-k1500-kelsey-hayes-abs-brake-bleeding-i.html https://www.motor.com/magazine-summary/nuts-bolts-kelsey-hayes-4wal-june-1998/ On 5/22/2019 7:31 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: Work the pedal while u flush it. Maybe sucked air in from reservoir to the mc. On Wed, May 22, 2019, 5:08 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: PS I ran about 1.5 qt thru the system, but I guess I need to get some more brake fluid. On 5/22/2019 7:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: The bleed screws on the fronts are on top as are the rear wheel cylinders. I had the bleeder pressured up to 20 per the instructions and when the screws are open at the wheels the fluid sort of just runs out, not under a great deal of pressure shooting out like I am used to when opening it when having the pedal pressed. When I opened the RR screw which was the first one I did, I did get air coming out then clear fluid. When I did the LR next, I never seemed to get any air out. I did not seem to get air out of either of the fronts either, but since the front circuit was not open I would not think it got air in it. It does have ABS but I am not aware of a bleed screw on it. On 5/22/2019 6:35 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: You still have air in there. If it has abs, be sure there is not a bleeder screw on that pump somewhere. The MC is probably fine. Be sure any calipers are on right side up; if the bleed screws are not on the top then the sides are switched and it will never firm up. You should run quarts of brake fluid through the lines and be sure to close the screws while fluid is still coming out. Push the pedal while pressurizing the system to bleed the MC also. Once the fluid is coming out clean you can just dump it back into the pressure bleeder and run it through again. On Wed, May 22, 2019, 3:58 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Should have used the pressure bleeder first. That is one of the best labor saving devices ever invented. -D On May 22, 2019, at 6:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Yea it pretty much goes to the floor with very little resistance. I bet the mc was flakey anyway then finished it off pushing it all the way to the floor bleeding it (wife) Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: If you pumped the brakes all the way to the floor there’s a chance you damaged the cups on the piston in the master cylinder. Never, ever press a brake pedal all the way to the floor when bleeding. Does it just go straight to the floor or does it bleed down somewhat slowly with your foot on the pedal? Adjust those rear drums out before you do anything else. That won’t cure your lousy pedal, but it eliminates a lot of slop in the system. -D On May 22, 2019, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I have been working on the brakes on my Suburban. All new brake shoes, hardware, and wheel cylinders on the back. Brakes were weak before but were OK, which I attributed to the leaking rear wheel cylinders. I put everthing back together and started doing the old fashioned bleeding with pushing on the brake pedal and opening bleeder screw. It was not working that great mainly because it is hard to get to the bleeder screws on the back. I then ordered a speedi bleeder pressure bleeder. It arrived today, I hooked it up and pressured it up. I then opened the back until all the air was out and new fluid was coming in. Also did the fronts. Afterward it just feels like it has no brakes at all, pedal seems to be going nearly to the floor. I am sure the rear drums are not adjusted all the way out yet but I would not think that would cause it to go to the floor. Does this seem like I still have air in the lines or does this seem like a bad master cylinder? I need to get this finished up tomorrow. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or ch
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Work the pedal while u flush it. Maybe sucked air in from reservoir to the mc. On Wed, May 22, 2019, 5:08 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > PS I ran about 1.5 qt thru the system, but I guess I need to get some > more brake fluid. > > On 5/22/2019 7:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > > The bleed screws on the fronts are on top as are the rear wheel > > cylinders. I had the bleeder pressured up to 20 per the instructions > > and when the screws are open at the wheels the fluid sort of just runs > > out, not under a great deal of pressure shooting out like I am used to > > when opening it when having the pedal pressed. When I opened the RR > > screw which was the first one I did, I did get air coming out then > > clear fluid. When I did the LR next, I never seemed to get any air > > out. I did not seem to get air out of either of the fronts either, > > but since the front circuit was not open I would not think it got air > > in it. It does have ABS but I am not aware of a bleed screw on it. > > > > On 5/22/2019 6:35 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: > >> You still have air in there. If it has abs, be sure there is not a > >> bleeder > >> screw on that pump somewhere. The MC is probably fine. Be sure any > >> calipers > >> are on right side up; if the bleed screws are not on the top then the > >> sides > >> are switched and it will never firm up. You should run quarts of brake > >> fluid through the lines and be sure to close the screws while fluid is > >> still coming out. Push the pedal while pressurizing the system to > >> bleed the > >> MC also. Once the fluid is coming out clean you can just dump it back > >> into > >> the pressure bleeder and run it through again. > >> > >> On Wed, May 22, 2019, 3:58 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Should have used the pressure bleeder first. That is one of the best > >>> labor > >>> saving devices ever invented. > >>> > >>> -D > >>> > On May 22, 2019, at 6:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yea it pretty much goes to the floor with very little resistance. I > bet > >>> the mc was flakey anyway then finished it off pushing it all the way > >>> to the > >>> floor bleeding it (wife) > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 22, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > If you pumped the brakes all the way to the floor there’s a chance > > you > >>> damaged the cups on the piston in the master cylinder. Never, ever > >>> press a > >>> brake pedal all the way to the floor when bleeding. > > Does it just go straight to the floor or does it bleed down somewhat > >>> slowly with your foot on the pedal? > > Adjust those rear drums out before you do anything else. That won’t > >>> cure your lousy pedal, but it eliminates a lot of slop in the system. > > -D > > > >> On May 22, 2019, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I have been working on the brakes on my Suburban. All new brake > >>> shoes, hardware, and wheel cylinders on the back. Brakes were weak > >>> before > >>> but were OK, which I attributed to the leaking rear wheel > >>> cylinders. I put > >>> everthing back together and started doing the old fashioned bleeding > >>> with > >>> pushing on the brake pedal and opening bleeder screw. It was not > >>> working > >>> that great mainly because it is hard to get to the bleeder screws on > >>> the > >>> back. I then ordered a speedi bleeder pressure bleeder. It arrived > >>> today, > >>> I hooked it up and pressured it up. I then opened the back until > >>> all the > >>> air was out and new fluid was coming in. Also did the fronts. > >>> Afterward > >>> it just feels like it has no brakes at all, pedal seems to be going > >>> nearly > >>> to the floor. I am sure the rear drums are not adjusted all the way > >>> out > >>> yet but I would not think that would cause it to go to the floor. Does > >>> this seem like I still have air in the lines or does this seem like > >>> a bad > >>> master cylinder? I need to get this finished up tomorrow. > >> > >> --- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > >> https://www.avg.com > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > __
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Not sure what year you have. These might help. https://youtu.be/jdiOlEKTqrE https://youtu.be/AV9kX_qc0HQ Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
PS I ran about 1.5 qt thru the system, but I guess I need to get some more brake fluid. On 5/22/2019 7:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: The bleed screws on the fronts are on top as are the rear wheel cylinders. I had the bleeder pressured up to 20 per the instructions and when the screws are open at the wheels the fluid sort of just runs out, not under a great deal of pressure shooting out like I am used to when opening it when having the pedal pressed. When I opened the RR screw which was the first one I did, I did get air coming out then clear fluid. When I did the LR next, I never seemed to get any air out. I did not seem to get air out of either of the fronts either, but since the front circuit was not open I would not think it got air in it. It does have ABS but I am not aware of a bleed screw on it. On 5/22/2019 6:35 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: You still have air in there. If it has abs, be sure there is not a bleeder screw on that pump somewhere. The MC is probably fine. Be sure any calipers are on right side up; if the bleed screws are not on the top then the sides are switched and it will never firm up. You should run quarts of brake fluid through the lines and be sure to close the screws while fluid is still coming out. Push the pedal while pressurizing the system to bleed the MC also. Once the fluid is coming out clean you can just dump it back into the pressure bleeder and run it through again. On Wed, May 22, 2019, 3:58 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Should have used the pressure bleeder first. That is one of the best labor saving devices ever invented. -D On May 22, 2019, at 6:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Yea it pretty much goes to the floor with very little resistance. I bet the mc was flakey anyway then finished it off pushing it all the way to the floor bleeding it (wife) Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: If you pumped the brakes all the way to the floor there’s a chance you damaged the cups on the piston in the master cylinder. Never, ever press a brake pedal all the way to the floor when bleeding. Does it just go straight to the floor or does it bleed down somewhat slowly with your foot on the pedal? Adjust those rear drums out before you do anything else. That won’t cure your lousy pedal, but it eliminates a lot of slop in the system. -D On May 22, 2019, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I have been working on the brakes on my Suburban. All new brake shoes, hardware, and wheel cylinders on the back. Brakes were weak before but were OK, which I attributed to the leaking rear wheel cylinders. I put everthing back together and started doing the old fashioned bleeding with pushing on the brake pedal and opening bleeder screw. It was not working that great mainly because it is hard to get to the bleeder screws on the back. I then ordered a speedi bleeder pressure bleeder. It arrived today, I hooked it up and pressured it up. I then opened the back until all the air was out and new fluid was coming in. Also did the fronts. Afterward it just feels like it has no brakes at all, pedal seems to be going nearly to the floor. I am sure the rear drums are not adjusted all the way out yet but I would not think that would cause it to go to the floor. Does this seem like I still have air in the lines or does this seem like a bad master cylinder? I need to get this finished up tomorrow. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
The bleed screws on the fronts are on top as are the rear wheel cylinders. I had the bleeder pressured up to 20 per the instructions and when the screws are open at the wheels the fluid sort of just runs out, not under a great deal of pressure shooting out like I am used to when opening it when having the pedal pressed. When I opened the RR screw which was the first one I did, I did get air coming out then clear fluid. When I did the LR next, I never seemed to get any air out. I did not seem to get air out of either of the fronts either, but since the front circuit was not open I would not think it got air in it. It does have ABS but I am not aware of a bleed screw on it. On 5/22/2019 6:35 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: You still have air in there. If it has abs, be sure there is not a bleeder screw on that pump somewhere. The MC is probably fine. Be sure any calipers are on right side up; if the bleed screws are not on the top then the sides are switched and it will never firm up. You should run quarts of brake fluid through the lines and be sure to close the screws while fluid is still coming out. Push the pedal while pressurizing the system to bleed the MC also. Once the fluid is coming out clean you can just dump it back into the pressure bleeder and run it through again. On Wed, May 22, 2019, 3:58 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Should have used the pressure bleeder first. That is one of the best labor saving devices ever invented. -D On May 22, 2019, at 6:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Yea it pretty much goes to the floor with very little resistance. I bet the mc was flakey anyway then finished it off pushing it all the way to the floor bleeding it (wife) Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: If you pumped the brakes all the way to the floor there’s a chance you damaged the cups on the piston in the master cylinder. Never, ever press a brake pedal all the way to the floor when bleeding. Does it just go straight to the floor or does it bleed down somewhat slowly with your foot on the pedal? Adjust those rear drums out before you do anything else. That won’t cure your lousy pedal, but it eliminates a lot of slop in the system. -D On May 22, 2019, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I have been working on the brakes on my Suburban. All new brake shoes, hardware, and wheel cylinders on the back. Brakes were weak before but were OK, which I attributed to the leaking rear wheel cylinders. I put everthing back together and started doing the old fashioned bleeding with pushing on the brake pedal and opening bleeder screw. It was not working that great mainly because it is hard to get to the bleeder screws on the back. I then ordered a speedi bleeder pressure bleeder. It arrived today, I hooked it up and pressured it up. I then opened the back until all the air was out and new fluid was coming in. Also did the fronts. Afterward it just feels like it has no brakes at all, pedal seems to be going nearly to the floor. I am sure the rear drums are not adjusted all the way out yet but I would not think that would cause it to go to the floor. Does this seem like I still have air in the lines or does this seem like a bad master cylinder? I need to get this finished up tomorrow. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I have never had one before, just invested in one. On 5/22/2019 5:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Should have used the pressure bleeder first. That is one of the best labor saving devices ever invented. -D On May 22, 2019, at 6:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Yea it pretty much goes to the floor with very little resistance. I bet the mc was flakey anyway then finished it off pushing it all the way to the floor bleeding it (wife) Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: If you pumped the brakes all the way to the floor there’s a chance you damaged the cups on the piston in the master cylinder. Never, ever press a brake pedal all the way to the floor when bleeding. Does it just go straight to the floor or does it bleed down somewhat slowly with your foot on the pedal? Adjust those rear drums out before you do anything else. That won’t cure your lousy pedal, but it eliminates a lot of slop in the system. -D On May 22, 2019, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I have been working on the brakes on my Suburban. All new brake shoes, hardware, and wheel cylinders on the back. Brakes were weak before but were OK, which I attributed to the leaking rear wheel cylinders. I put everthing back together and started doing the old fashioned bleeding with pushing on the brake pedal and opening bleeder screw. It was not working that great mainly because it is hard to get to the bleeder screws on the back. I then ordered a speedi bleeder pressure bleeder. It arrived today, I hooked it up and pressured it up. I then opened the back until all the air was out and new fluid was coming in. Also did the fronts. Afterward it just feels like it has no brakes at all, pedal seems to be going nearly to the floor. I am sure the rear drums are not adjusted all the way out yet but I would not think that would cause it to go to the floor. Does this seem like I still have air in the lines or does this seem like a bad master cylinder? I need to get this finished up tomorrow. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
You still have air in there. If it has abs, be sure there is not a bleeder screw on that pump somewhere. The MC is probably fine. Be sure any calipers are on right side up; if the bleed screws are not on the top then the sides are switched and it will never firm up. You should run quarts of brake fluid through the lines and be sure to close the screws while fluid is still coming out. Push the pedal while pressurizing the system to bleed the MC also. Once the fluid is coming out clean you can just dump it back into the pressure bleeder and run it through again. On Wed, May 22, 2019, 3:58 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > Should have used the pressure bleeder first. That is one of the best labor > saving devices ever invented. > > -D > > > On May 22, 2019, at 6:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Yea it pretty much goes to the floor with very little resistance. I bet > the mc was flakey anyway then finished it off pushing it all the way to the > floor bleeding it (wife) > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On May 22, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> If you pumped the brakes all the way to the floor there’s a chance you > damaged the cups on the piston in the master cylinder. Never, ever press a > brake pedal all the way to the floor when bleeding. > >> > >> Does it just go straight to the floor or does it bleed down somewhat > slowly with your foot on the pedal? > >> > >> Adjust those rear drums out before you do anything else. That won’t > cure your lousy pedal, but it eliminates a lot of slop in the system. > >> > >> -D > >> > >>> On May 22, 2019, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> I have been working on the brakes on my Suburban. All new brake > shoes, hardware, and wheel cylinders on the back. Brakes were weak before > but were OK, which I attributed to the leaking rear wheel cylinders. I put > everthing back together and started doing the old fashioned bleeding with > pushing on the brake pedal and opening bleeder screw. It was not working > that great mainly because it is hard to get to the bleeder screws on the > back. I then ordered a speedi bleeder pressure bleeder. It arrived today, > I hooked it up and pressured it up. I then opened the back until all the > air was out and new fluid was coming in. Also did the fronts. Afterward > it just feels like it has no brakes at all, pedal seems to be going nearly > to the floor. I am sure the rear drums are not adjusted all the way out > yet but I would not think that would cause it to go to the floor. Does > this seem like I still have air in the lines or does this seem like a bad > master cylinder? I need to get this finished up tomorrow. > >>> > >>> > >>> --- > >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > >>> https://www.avg.com > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Should have used the pressure bleeder first. That is one of the best labor saving devices ever invented. -D > On May 22, 2019, at 6:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yea it pretty much goes to the floor with very little resistance. I bet the > mc was flakey anyway then finished it off pushing it all the way to the floor > bleeding it (wife) > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 22, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> If you pumped the brakes all the way to the floor there’s a chance you >> damaged the cups on the piston in the master cylinder. Never, ever press a >> brake pedal all the way to the floor when bleeding. >> >> Does it just go straight to the floor or does it bleed down somewhat slowly >> with your foot on the pedal? >> >> Adjust those rear drums out before you do anything else. That won’t cure >> your lousy pedal, but it eliminates a lot of slop in the system. >> >> -D >> >>> On May 22, 2019, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I have been working on the brakes on my Suburban. All new brake shoes, >>> hardware, and wheel cylinders on the back. Brakes were weak before but >>> were OK, which I attributed to the leaking rear wheel cylinders. I put >>> everthing back together and started doing the old fashioned bleeding with >>> pushing on the brake pedal and opening bleeder screw. It was not working >>> that great mainly because it is hard to get to the bleeder screws on the >>> back. I then ordered a speedi bleeder pressure bleeder. It arrived today, >>> I hooked it up and pressured it up. I then opened the back until all the >>> air was out and new fluid was coming in. Also did the fronts. Afterward >>> it just feels like it has no brakes at all, pedal seems to be going nearly >>> to the floor. I am sure the rear drums are not adjusted all the way out >>> yet but I would not think that would cause it to go to the floor. Does >>> this seem like I still have air in the lines or does this seem like a bad >>> master cylinder? I need to get this finished up tomorrow. >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> https://www.avg.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Yea it pretty much goes to the floor with very little resistance. I bet the mc was flakey anyway then finished it off pushing it all the way to the floor bleeding it (wife) Sent from my iPhone > On May 22, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > If you pumped the brakes all the way to the floor there’s a chance you > damaged the cups on the piston in the master cylinder. Never, ever press a > brake pedal all the way to the floor when bleeding. > > Does it just go straight to the floor or does it bleed down somewhat slowly > with your foot on the pedal? > > Adjust those rear drums out before you do anything else. That won’t cure your > lousy pedal, but it eliminates a lot of slop in the system. > > -D > >> On May 22, 2019, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I have been working on the brakes on my Suburban. All new brake shoes, >> hardware, and wheel cylinders on the back. Brakes were weak before but were >> OK, which I attributed to the leaking rear wheel cylinders. I put everthing >> back together and started doing the old fashioned bleeding with pushing on >> the brake pedal and opening bleeder screw. It was not working that great >> mainly because it is hard to get to the bleeder screws on the back. I then >> ordered a speedi bleeder pressure bleeder. It arrived today, I hooked it up >> and pressured it up. I then opened the back until all the air was out and >> new fluid was coming in. Also did the fronts. Afterward it just feels like >> it has no brakes at all, pedal seems to be going nearly to the floor. I am >> sure the rear drums are not adjusted all the way out yet but I would not >> think that would cause it to go to the floor. Does this seem like I still >> have air in the lines or does this seem like a bad master cylinder? I need >> to get this finished up tomorrow. >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> https://www.avg.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
If you pumped the brakes all the way to the floor there’s a chance you damaged the cups on the piston in the master cylinder. Never, ever press a brake pedal all the way to the floor when bleeding. Does it just go straight to the floor or does it bleed down somewhat slowly with your foot on the pedal? Adjust those rear drums out before you do anything else. That won’t cure your lousy pedal, but it eliminates a lot of slop in the system. -D > On May 22, 2019, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > I have been working on the brakes on my Suburban. All new brake shoes, > hardware, and wheel cylinders on the back. Brakes were weak before but were > OK, which I attributed to the leaking rear wheel cylinders. I put everthing > back together and started doing the old fashioned bleeding with pushing on > the brake pedal and opening bleeder screw. It was not working that great > mainly because it is hard to get to the bleeder screws on the back. I then > ordered a speedi bleeder pressure bleeder. It arrived today, I hooked it up > and pressured it up. I then opened the back until all the air was out and > new fluid was coming in. Also did the fronts. Afterward it just feels like > it has no brakes at all, pedal seems to be going nearly to the floor. I am > sure the rear drums are not adjusted all the way out yet but I would not > think that would cause it to go to the floor. Does this seem like I still > have air in the lines or does this seem like a bad master cylinder? I need to > get this finished up tomorrow. > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Chebby brakes
I have been working on the brakes on my Suburban. All new brake shoes, hardware, and wheel cylinders on the back. Brakes were weak before but were OK, which I attributed to the leaking rear wheel cylinders. I put everthing back together and started doing the old fashioned bleeding with pushing on the brake pedal and opening bleeder screw. It was not working that great mainly because it is hard to get to the bleeder screws on the back. I then ordered a speedi bleeder pressure bleeder. It arrived today, I hooked it up and pressured it up. I then opened the back until all the air was out and new fluid was coming in. Also did the fronts. Afterward it just feels like it has no brakes at all, pedal seems to be going nearly to the floor. I am sure the rear drums are not adjusted all the way out yet but I would not think that would cause it to go to the floor. Does this seem like I still have air in the lines or does this seem like a bad master cylinder? I need to get this finished up tomorrow. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
