Re: [MBZ] gmail malfinction on 2011 macbook pro with el crap

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The DNS problem,  if that is what the problem is, is on spyoogle's 
servers, as she is only using a web interface to their spyware.


I was just saying then when she sent email it says "loading" like 
spyoogle does not have the proper settings for their SMTP server.  Like 
the client can't find the SMTP server.




fmiser via Mercedes wrote on 10/9/19 10:33 AM:

Curley wrote:
SWMBOs 2011 i5 MBP is running el crap (10.11).   When she opens
an email in gmail web client on safari, the reply button is
greyed out.  If she composes a new email in the gmail web app,
when she tries to send it the  gmail web app just spins and says
"loading."  It never does send the mail.

To me the send problem seems like a DNS problem.  There is no
settings for dns in the web client that I can find, and since it
is spyoogle's web app, they set all the dns settings.

Domain name resolution is not the job of the browser, or any other
client software. It is part of the system "network stack".  If
using a name in the URL bar works, then it is finding a DNS - but
it's possible that a particular server won't resolve a particular
name.  Usually the DNS is handed out by DHCP as part of getting an
IP address - but often it can be set manually. Maybe change the
DNS (somewhere in network settings) to 8.8.8.8, which is Google's
domain name server.   Or OpenDNS, which is 208.67.222.222


One solution might be to put a newer OS on the computer, but I
am reluctant to do that.  (new OS generally means poorer
performance as the OS is bloated more with each release.)

What about a different browser?  Safari isn't the only choice.
Chrome, Chromium, Oprah, Firefox...


Here are my questions:

I have no answers to any of these

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Re: [MBZ] gmail malfinction on 2011 macbook pro with el crap

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I use Gmail no problem on 10.6.8 with Firefox. Try using that. It's free, and 
unlike Safari and Chrome, it really does default to privacy vs prostitution of 
your data. 

D. 

> On Oct 9, 2019, Curley wrote:
> 
> 
> SWMBOs 2011 i5 MBP is running el crap (10.11).?? When she opens an email 
> in gmail web client on safari, the reply button is greyed out.? If she 
> composes a new email in the gmail web app, when she tries to send it 
> the? gmail web app just spins and says "loading."? It never does send 
> the mail.
> 
> To me the send problem seems like a DNS problem.? There is no settings 
> for dns in the web client that I can find, and since it is spyoogle's 
> web app, they set all the dns settings.
> 
> I have the same setup on? my MBP, other than it is i7 and I can use the 
> spyoogle gmail web app. (but I don't generally)? I use postbox email 
> client for various accounts.? I tried to get her to let? me set up 
> postbox on her computer, but she does not want me to do that.?? I don't 
> think I can get her off gmail onto another email address.
> 
> One solution might be to put a newer OS on the computer, but I am 
> reluctant to do that.? (new OS generally means poorer performance as the 
> OS is bloated more with each release.)
> 
> Here are my questions:
> 
> is there any way to install a newer version of safari without changing 
> the OS.? It does not appear possible through the "app store"
> 
> Has anyone successfully installed 10.12 or higher on a 2011 or older 
> computer?? (preferably MBP)
> 
> If so, was there a performance hit?
> 
> What OS did you install?
> 
> Has anyone encountered something like this?? If so, what is the solution?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] gmail malfinction on 2011 macbook pro with el crap

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Running High Sierra (10.13.6) on a 2010 MBP (6,2) with zero issues.

As for DNS, you can find it in your Network Preferences.

-MMM-

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 1) Why not use the Mail application?  That's what I use on El Crap, and
> it's INFINITELY superior to any web-based app.
> 2) 2011 should run High Sierra.  No reason to avoid upgrading.
>
> I''m stuck at El Capitan on our Mac Pro 2,1's.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] gmail malfinction on 2011 macbook pro with el crap

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

1) Why not use the Mail application?  That's what I use on El Crap, and it's 
INFINITELY superior to any web-based app.
2) 2011 should run High Sierra.  No reason to avoid upgrading.

I''m stuck at El Capitan on our Mac Pro 2,1's.

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Re: [MBZ] gmail malfinction on 2011 macbook pro with el crap

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curley wrote:

> SWMBOs 2011 i5 MBP is running el crap (10.11).   When she opens
> an email in gmail web client on safari, the reply button is
> greyed out.  If she composes a new email in the gmail web app,
> when she tries to send it the  gmail web app just spins and says
> "loading."  It never does send the mail.
> 
> To me the send problem seems like a DNS problem.  There is no
> settings for dns in the web client that I can find, and since it
> is spyoogle's web app, they set all the dns settings.

Domain name resolution is not the job of the browser, or any other
client software. It is part of the system "network stack".  If
using a name in the URL bar works, then it is finding a DNS - but
it's possible that a particular server won't resolve a particular
name.  Usually the DNS is handed out by DHCP as part of getting an
IP address - but often it can be set manually. Maybe change the
DNS (somewhere in network settings) to 8.8.8.8, which is Google's
domain name server.   Or OpenDNS, which is 208.67.222.222

> One solution might be to put a newer OS on the computer, but I
> am reluctant to do that.  (new OS generally means poorer
> performance as the OS is bloated more with each release.)

What about a different browser?  Safari isn't the only choice.
Chrome, Chromium, Oprah, Firefox...

> Here are my questions:

I have no answers to any of these

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[MBZ] gmail malfinction on 2011 macbook pro with el crap

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

SWMBOs 2011 i5 MBP is running el crap (10.11).   When she opens an email 
in gmail web client on safari, the reply button is greyed out.  If she 
composes a new email in the gmail web app, when she tries to send it 
the  gmail web app just spins and says "loading."  It never does send 
the mail.


To me the send problem seems like a DNS problem.  There is no settings 
for dns in the web client that I can find, and since it is spyoogle's 
web app, they set all the dns settings.


I have the same setup on  my MBP, other than it is i7 and I can use the 
spyoogle gmail web app. (but I don't generally)  I use postbox email 
client for various accounts.  I tried to get her to let  me set up 
postbox on her computer, but she does not want me to do that.   I don't 
think I can get her off gmail onto another email address.


One solution might be to put a newer OS on the computer, but I am 
reluctant to do that.  (new OS generally means poorer performance as the 
OS is bloated more with each release.)


Here are my questions:

is there any way to install a newer version of safari without changing 
the OS.  It does not appear possible through the "app store"


Has anyone successfully installed 10.12 or higher on a 2011 or older 
computer?  (preferably MBP)


If so, was there a performance hit?

What OS did you install?

Has anyone encountered something like this?  If so, what is the solution?

Thanks



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Re: [MBZ] Gmail Question

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 15/08/2015 9:10 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Greg wrote:

OK, so apparently my mail is now getting to the list, but
why does the list not send them back to me as it did when I
sent from another ISP?

'Cause Gmail is being "helpful".  I guess they figure you
know what you sent.  It bugs me - but I've found no way
around it.

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Re: [MBZ] Gmail Question LIST MOM???

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I CAN SEE HILLARY!'S EMAILS!!

--R



On 8/15/15 11:57 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Curly wrote:

Bigger question is why do the postings now list ALL the
email addresses subscribed to the list.  That is a huge
security  problem.

Kaleb wrote:

What the heck are you talking about? I don't see all the
email addresses listed in the postings.

Beginning before 18:04 CTD - but after 16:30 CDT - each
message has a whole stack of "X-Assp-Intended-For:" headers.
There used to be only one - listing mercedes@okiebenz.com.
Now there is one for what looks like every member of the
list.  This is in each and every post.

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Re: [MBZ] Gmail Question LIST MOM???

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Who is using ProfBooth@gmail?

Sacrilege! Ban them, ban them!
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On August 15, 2015 11:57:03 PM EDT, fmiser via Mercedes  
wrote:
>> > Curly wrote:
>> >
>> > Bigger question is why do the postings now list ALL the
>> > email addresses subscribed to the list.  That is a huge
>> > security  problem.
>
>> Kaleb wrote:
>> 
>> What the heck are you talking about? I don't see all the
>> email addresses listed in the postings.
>
>Beginning before 18:04 CTD - but after 16:30 CDT - each
>message has a whole stack of "X-Assp-Intended-For:" headers.
>There used to be only one - listing mercedes@okiebenz.com.
>Now there is one for what looks like every member of the
>list.  This is in each and every post.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail Question LIST MOM???

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Curly wrote:
> >
> > Bigger question is why do the postings now list ALL the
> > email addresses subscribed to the list.  That is a huge
> > security  problem.

> Kaleb wrote:
> 
> What the heck are you talking about? I don't see all the
> email addresses listed in the postings.

Beginning before 18:04 CTD - but after 16:30 CDT - each
message has a whole stack of "X-Assp-Intended-For:" headers.
There used to be only one - listing mercedes@okiebenz.com.
Now there is one for what looks like every member of the
list.  This is in each and every post.

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Re: [MBZ] Gmail Question LIST MOM???

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It is strange because that is not all the list addresses so I am not sure what 
the deal is. With all the spam and different mail providers blocking list mail 
it is getting more and more difficult to keep things running

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2015, at 10:05 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>> Curly wrote:
>> 
>> Bigger question is why do the postings now list ALL the
>> email addresses subscribed to the list.  That is a huge
>> security  problem.
> 
> Yup.
> 
> I the header 
> X-Assp-Intended-For
> 
> I just figured that was how Kaleb got the list
> server/bounce/spam thing fixed.
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail Question LIST MOM???

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curly wrote:
> 
> Bigger question is why do the postings now list ALL the
> email addresses subscribed to the list.  That is a huge
> security  problem.

Yup.

I the header 
X-Assp-Intended-For

I just figured that was how Kaleb got the list
server/bounce/spam thing fixed.

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Re: [MBZ] Gmail Question LIST MOM???

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

What the heck are you talking about? I don't see all the email addresses listed 
in the postings.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 15, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is a gmail thing.  my gmail has never sent me copies of mail I sent.
> 
> Bigger question is why do the postings now list ALL the email addresses 
> subscribed to the list.  That is a huge security  problem.
> 
> OH LIST MOM  OH LIST MARTHA?
> 
> 
>> OK, so apparently my mail is now getting to the list, but why does the list
>> not send them back to me as it did when I sent from another ISP?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Greg
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail Question

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Thanks, I guess I'll switch to a comcast address instead.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Raymond via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 5:22 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gmail Question

Normal I think. IIRC Gmail filters you from your own messages.
-Curt
  From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
 Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 7:50 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Gmail Question
   
OK, so apparently my mail is now getting to the list, but why does the list
not send them back to me as it did when I sent from another ISP?

 

Greg

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Re: [MBZ] Gmail Question LIST MOM???

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

OK, we need to get something straight for clarity’s sake:

I only have rights to deal with the approval queue and subscriptions.  Anything 
else, especially things that occur under the hood, are strictly the 
responsibility of the list’s owner.  All the goofy issues with bounces and 
failures to respond need to go to him.  I gots nothin' to do with that stuff.

Sorry.

Dan

 
> On Aug 15, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is a gmail thing.  my gmail has never sent me copies of mail I sent.
> 
> Bigger question is why do the postings now list ALL the email addresses 
> subscribed to the list.  That is a huge security  problem.
> 
> OH LIST MOM  OH LIST MARTHA?
> 
> 
>> OK, so apparently my mail is now getting to the list, but why does the list
>> not send them back to me as it did when I sent from another ISP?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Greg
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail Question

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Greg wrote:
> 
> OK, so apparently my mail is now getting to the list, but
> why does the list not send them back to me as it did when I
> sent from another ISP?

'Cause Gmail is being "helpful".  I guess they figure you
know what you sent.  It bugs me - but I've found no way
around it.

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Re: [MBZ] Gmail Question LIST MOM???

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

That is a gmail thing.  my gmail has never sent me copies of mail I sent.

Bigger question is why do the postings now list ALL the email 
addresses subscribed to the list.  That is a huge security  problem.


OH LIST MOM  OH LIST MARTHA?



OK, so apparently my mail is now getting to the list, but why does the list
not send them back to me as it did when I sent from another ISP?



Greg


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Re: [MBZ] Gmail Question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The list does send it back. Gmail just does not show your own messages

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 15, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK, so apparently my mail is now getting to the list, but why does the list
> not send them back to me as it did when I sent from another ISP?
> 
> 
> 
> Greg
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail Question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Normal I think. IIRC Gmail filters you from your own messages.
-Curt
  From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
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Cc: Greg Fiorentino  
 Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 7:50 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Gmail Question
   
OK, so apparently my mail is now getting to the list, but why does the list
not send them back to me as it did when I sent from another ISP?

 

Greg

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[MBZ] Gmail Question

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

OK, so apparently my mail is now getting to the list, but why does the list
not send them back to me as it did when I sent from another ISP?

 

Greg

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Re: [MBZ] gmail

[OK Don]

My Gmail account shows "You are currently using 731 MB (10%) of your
7259 MB.". There are 21807 messages in it - all of them from this
list. The search function is what makes it nice - it's easy to find
Marshall's post on a given topic!


On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Going thru the subscriber list, I see Marshall is still subscribed,
>> and receiving each message to his gmail account.  Surely somebody is
>> getting them otherwise I would think they would fill up the box and
>> start bouncing.  Does gmail have a limit or whats the deal?  Maybe he
>> is reading them from heaven?
>
> I think that gMail started out with 1GB mailboxes, and they have gone up
> since then.  One of their marketing points was that you would never have
> to delete your email (why that was perceived as a good thing I'm not
> sure 99.8% of all email isn't worth saving IMO, certainly not in
> something out of your control like gMail)
>
> Allan


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Re: [MBZ] gmail

[Robert Rentfro]

Maybe he's CHANNELING answers through us and we don't know it.

Bob R

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Going thru the subscriber list, I see Marshall is still subscribed, and 
receiving each message to his gmail account.  Surely somebody is getting 
them otherwise I would think they would fill up the box and start 
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Re: [MBZ] gmail

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"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Going thru the subscriber list, I see Marshall is still subscribed,
> and receiving each message to his gmail account.  Surely somebody is
> getting them otherwise I would think they would fill up the box and
> start bouncing.  Does gmail have a limit or whats the deal?  Maybe he
> is reading them from heaven?

I think that gMail started out with 1GB mailboxes, and they have gone up
since then.  One of their marketing points was that you would never have
to delete your email (why that was perceived as a good thing I'm not
sure 99.8% of all email isn't worth saving IMO, certainly not in
something out of your control like gMail)

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] gmail

[Wonko the Sane]

Be sure to let us know if he posts.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Going thru the subscriber list, I see Marshall is still subscribed, and
> receiving each message to his gmail account.  Surely somebody is getting
> them otherwise I would think they would fill up the box and start bouncing.
>  Does gmail have a limit or whats the deal?  Maybe he is reading them from
> heaven?
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>  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] gmail

[Wonko the Sane]

The GMail limit is measured in gigs. Even your ramblings can't fill it up.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Going thru the subscriber list, I see Marshall is still subscribed, and
> receiving each message to his gmail account.  Surely somebody is getting
> them otherwise I would think they would fill up the box and start bouncing.
>  Does gmail have a limit or whats the deal?  Maybe he is reading them from
> heaven?
> --
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>  87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
>  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
> http://www.okiebenz.com
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[MBZ] gmail

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Going thru the subscriber list, I see Marshall is still subscribed, and 
receiving each message to his gmail account.  Surely somebody is getting 
them otherwise I would think they would fill up the box and start 
bouncing.  Does gmail have a limit or whats the deal?  Maybe he is 
reading them from heaven?

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 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
http://www.okiebenz.com

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Re: [MBZ] Gmail problems

[Zoltan Finks]

Yes! I have been having trouble with Gmail.
Sometimes you'll roll over a thread and it won't turn the cursor active. And
clicking won't open the email.

Other times you get the thread to open and it opens with the address info.,
but it's void of any content.

Other times it'll just sit there and try to open, say, the inbox and won't
do anything.

In my "window" menu (I'm using a Mac) it doesn't say "gmail" like it usually
does - it says "loading" constantly.

Brian

On Feb 15, 2008 11:41 AM, Glenn Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Has anyone else been having problems with Gmail in recent days, as I
> occasionally get the following and have to get out of Gmail and get back
> into it:
>
> "Arrgh! The page has been corrupted. If you are running security or
> firewall
> software, you may have to disable it."
>
> TIA
>
> G. M. Brown
> Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] gmail??

[Rich Thomas]

Thunderbird stores email folders in some weird place and format, and not 
intuitively named or easy to discern.

--R

dave walton wrote:
> Under Windows I periodically open Outlook Express configured for POP3
> to Gmail (http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13273)
> and suck in a copy of my inbox. You can then copy off the Outlook
> Express datafile.
>
> You need to use IMAP if you want a copy of subfolders. Outlook Express
> does not do IMAP. Outlook does. Thunderbird does.
> (http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=75725)
>
> The web is full of horror stories where Gmail users lost everything
> for various reasons, so grabbing a backup now and then is a good
> thing.
>
> Remember to set the mail client to leave a copy of mail on the server,
> or else it will be deleted from Gmail when you sync - which may or may
> not be desired. I suspect Google keeps a copy of all mail even if you
> delete it since they have been instrumental in identifying people to
> law enforcement when motivated to do so. Once it is deleted, it is
> gone for good as far as us ordinary people are concerned.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2008 12:21 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Ok, dumb question, but how do I save an email in gmail to a folder on my
>> HD.  I have a bunch I want to save to my HD, then burn to a CD.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ed
>> 300E
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Re: [MBZ] gmail??

[E M]

Thanks Dave,

Ed
300E

On 18/02/2008, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Under Windows I periodically open Outlook Express configured for POP3
> to Gmail (http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13273)
> and suck in a copy of my inbox. You can then copy off the Outlook
> Express datafile.
>
> You need to use IMAP if you want a copy of subfolders. Outlook Express
> does not do IMAP. Outlook does. Thunderbird does.
> (http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=75725)
>
> The web is full of horror stories where Gmail users lost everything
> for various reasons, so grabbing a backup now and then is a good
> thing.
>
> Remember to set the mail client to leave a copy of mail on the server,
> or else it will be deleted from Gmail when you sync - which may or may
> not be desired. I suspect Google keeps a copy of all mail even if you
> delete it since they have been instrumental in identifying people to
> law enforcement when motivated to do so. Once it is deleted, it is
> gone for good as far as us ordinary people are concerned.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2008 12:21 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ok, dumb question, but how do I save an email in gmail to a folder on my
> > HD.  I have a bunch I want to save to my HD, then burn to a CD.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
>
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Re: [MBZ] gmail??

[dave walton]

Under Windows I periodically open Outlook Express configured for POP3
to Gmail (http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13273)
and suck in a copy of my inbox. You can then copy off the Outlook
Express datafile.

You need to use IMAP if you want a copy of subfolders. Outlook Express
does not do IMAP. Outlook does. Thunderbird does.
(http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=75725)

The web is full of horror stories where Gmail users lost everything
for various reasons, so grabbing a backup now and then is a good
thing.

Remember to set the mail client to leave a copy of mail on the server,
or else it will be deleted from Gmail when you sync - which may or may
not be desired. I suspect Google keeps a copy of all mail even if you
delete it since they have been instrumental in identifying people to
law enforcement when motivated to do so. Once it is deleted, it is
gone for good as far as us ordinary people are concerned.

-Dave Walton



On Feb 18, 2008 12:21 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, dumb question, but how do I save an email in gmail to a folder on my
> HD.  I have a bunch I want to save to my HD, then burn to a CD.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed
> 300E
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[MBZ] gmail??

[E M]

Ok, dumb question, but how do I save an email in gmail to a folder on my
HD.  I have a bunch I want to save to my HD, then burn to a CD.

Thanks,

Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail problems

[OK Don]

I had a couple of "can't resolve the name mercedes@okiebenz.com"
bounces a couple of days ago, when trying to respond to the list, but
they went away 

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:35 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> no problem receiving from the list, or personal mail, but very little is
>  coming through from another list I subscribe to.  I run firefox along with
>  gmail, and I find it does a great job of catching and filtering out the spam
>  and pop ups.
>
>  Ed
>  300E

-- 
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Norman, OK
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
-Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail problems

[E M]

no problem receiving from the list, or personal mail, but very little is
coming through from another list I subscribe to.  I run firefox along with
gmail, and I find it does a great job of catching and filtering out the spam
and pop ups.

Ed
300E

On 15/02/2008, John Freer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No problem on my system Glenn, although I noticed that some of my
> email contacts have disappeared...strange.
>
>
> On 2/15/08, Glenn Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Has anyone else been having problems with Gmail in recent days, as I
> > occasionally get the following and have to get out of Gmail and get back
> > into it:
> >
> > "Arrgh! The page has been corrupted. If you are running security or
> firewall
> > software, you may have to disable it."
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > G. M. Brown
> > Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail problems

[John Freer]

No problem on my system Glenn, although I noticed that some of my
email contacts have disappeared...strange.

On 2/15/08, Glenn Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone else been having problems with Gmail in recent days, as I
> occasionally get the following and have to get out of Gmail and get back
> into it:
>
> "Arrgh! The page has been corrupted. If you are running security or firewall
> software, you may have to disable it."
>
> TIA
>
> G. M. Brown
> Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail problems

[Jeff Zedic]

Not seen that one yet but my amount of spam has risen from less than 1 per
day to 4 or 5. Not happy about that.

Jeff Zedic
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[MBZ] Gmail problems

[Glenn Brown]

Has anyone else been having problems with Gmail in recent days, as I
occasionally get the following and have to get out of Gmail and get back
into it:

"Arrgh! The page has been corrupted. If you are running security or firewall
software, you may have to disable it."

TIA

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] gmail question some of you might know the answer to

[John M McIntosh]

Well there are other ways to know if the email was opened.

Google shows for example
http://www.returnreceipt.com
http://www.msgtag.com/Mail_Receipt_.html

These use the feature called "web bugs"  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_bug
to let some server know when the mail was opened.   Users with better  
security knowledge may prevent this from working.

I suspect some of them likely exploit the poor security on windows  
which might let them run programs by just open the email.


On Nov 20, 2007, at 7:49 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

> suppose you send someone a lot of emails every day and they claim to  
> be
> never receiving 5% of them or so.  now you don't know if they are  
> really not
> getting them or just getting them and losing track of them.  how  
> does one
> set google mail up to get verfication of receipt of the emal?
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Re: [MBZ] gmail question some of you might know the answer to

[Rory]

>From Gmail Help search:

GMail, like most other webmail services, does not offer any "received
receipt" and "read receipt" features. Normally, standard email rules
imply that if a Delivery Failure Notification has not been received,
the message has been delivered to the intended recipient.

Some email clients, like MS Outlook, offer a "read receipt" feature
which can provide such notifications, provided that the recipient also
uses the same email client and has enabled or allowed the "receipt" to
be transmitted to the sender! In this case it is more of a worry as
the sender will never know, if he has enabled the "read receipt"
feature and does not receive one in return, whether the mail was (a)
not received, (b) received but not read, (c) received and read but the
"receipt" was disallowed by the recipient!

So it is better to go with general email standards which, to prevent
unnecessary mail traffic, imply that failure to receive any of the
Delivery Status notifications (Failed, Delayed, etc.) means the
message being successfully received by the recipient.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

On Nov 20, 2007 7:49 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> suppose you send someone a lot of emails every day and they claim to be
> never receiving 5% of them or so.  now you don't know if they are really not
> getting them or just getting them and losing track of them.  how does one
> set google mail up to get verfication of receipt of the emal?
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1982 300TD

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Re: [MBZ] gmail question some of you might know the answer to

[dave walton]

Return Receipt is a function of the mail reader and is not supported via SMTP.
Everyone disables Return Receipts by default nowdays (Outlook,
Thunderbird). Most companies control the generation of Return Receipts
via a group policy and disable it.

The best you can do is run your own SMTP server and look at the logs
to verify that the destination mailserver accepted the message. You
won't be able to tell what it did with it. Some are set to generate a
return email if it was blocked as spam or if the recipient could not
be resolved, but you have no control over that.

-Dave Walton


On Nov 20, 2007 10:49 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> suppose you send someone a lot of emails every day and they claim to be
> never receiving 5% of them or so.  now you don't know if they are really not
> getting them or just getting them and losing track of them.  how does one
> set google mail up to get verfication of receipt of the emal?
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[MBZ] gmail question some of you might know the answer to

[Gary Hurst]

suppose you send someone a lot of emails every day and they claim to be
never receiving 5% of them or so.  now you don't know if they are really not
getting them or just getting them and losing track of them.  how does one
set google mail up to get verfication of receipt of the emal?
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Re: [MBZ] gmail post test

[Gary Hurst]

i'm just generally versatile, although mostly don't like capital letters.

On 2/7/07, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Holy crap...I wasn't sure Hursty's keyboard had a shift/caps lock feature.

Bob R

- Original Message -
From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] gmail post test


> see, gmail actually works
>
> JUST LIKE EVERYONE HAS BEEN TELLING YOU FOR SO LONG!
>
> On 2/7/07, Glenn Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> This is a test from a gmail acct.  If this posts successfully, I'll
>> cancel
>> my Netzero subscription and use this one for the list.  TIA . . . Kaleb &
>> Don.
>>
>> Glenn
>> Rochester, NY
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Re: [MBZ] gmail post test

[John W. Reames III]

On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Glenn Brown wrote:

> This is a test from a gmail acct.  If this posts successfully, I'll cancel
> my Netzero subscription and use this one for the list.  TIA . . . Kaleb &
> Don.

You finally passed! Who's got the bottle? (Time to pop the cork!)
-j.

Re: [MBZ] gmail post test

[Bob Rentfro]

Holy crap...I wasn't sure Hursty's keyboard had a shift/caps lock feature.

Bob R

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Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] gmail post test



see, gmail actually works

JUST LIKE EVERYONE HAS BEEN TELLING YOU FOR SO LONG!

On 2/7/07, Glenn Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is a test from a gmail acct.  If this posts successfully, I'll 
cancel

my Netzero subscription and use this one for the list.  TIA . . . Kaleb &
Don.

Glenn
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Re: [MBZ] gmail post test

[Chris Kueny]

Thanks, Glenn.  BTW, it works.

Chris K
Cayce, SC



- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
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Subject: [MBZ] gmail post test



This is a test from a gmail acct.  If this posts successfully, I'll cancel
my Netzero subscription and use this one for the list.  TIA . . . Kaleb &
Don.

Glenn
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Re: [MBZ] gmail post test

[Gary Hurst]

see, gmail actually works

JUST LIKE EVERYONE HAS BEEN TELLING YOU FOR SO LONG!

On 2/7/07, Glenn Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This is a test from a gmail acct.  If this posts successfully, I'll cancel
my Netzero subscription and use this one for the list.  TIA . . . Kaleb &
Don.

Glenn
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Re: [MBZ] gmail post test

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

you failed

Glenn Brown wrote:

This is a test from a gmail acct.  If this posts successfully, I'll cancel
my Netzero subscription and use this one for the list.  TIA . . . Kaleb &
Don.

Glenn
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Re: [MBZ] gmail post test

[Marshall Booth]

Glenn Brown wrote:

This is a test from a gmail acct.  If this posts successfully, I'll cancel
my Netzero subscription and use this one for the list.  TIA . . . Kaleb &
Don.

Glenn


YOU GOT IT!

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Re: [MBZ] Gmail invite code

[Jeff Zedic]

Thanks Sunil!

Jeff

Re: [MBZ] Gmail invite code

[Sunil Hari]

one

On 10/22/06, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Can anyone give me an invitation code to setup a Gmail account?

Thanks!

Jeff Zedic
Toronto

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[MBZ] Gmail invite code

[Jeff Zedic]

Can anyone give me an invitation code to setup a Gmail account?

Thanks!

Jeff Zedic
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail -

[Gabriel S.]

oh shut your cornhole already...the gmail post died that same day.

On 8/31/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
>  Where's the MB content. I want MB content in EVERY message. Kaleb, Kaleb, 
> filter those guys talking about GMail. I'm tired of seeing GMail posts. This 
> is a car site not e-mail. Oooo, Oooo, I'm sooo offended...
>  Ken
>   In a message dated 8/31/2005 6:28:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gmail - 
> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> how many times do i have to say this people: gmail is the best *web
> based*email...I never compared it to software based programs like
> endora or
> outlook!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail -

[Bucks2]

Where's the MB content. I want MB content in EVERY message. Kaleb, Kaleb, 
filter those guys talking about GMail. I'm tired of seeing GMail posts. This is 
a 
car site not e-mail. Oooo, Oooo, I'm sooo offended...

Ken


In a message dated 8/31/2005 6:28:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gmail - 
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

how many times do i have to say this people: gmail is the best *web
based*email...I never compared it to software based programs like
endora or
outlook!

Re: [MBZ] MBZ GMAIL

[LT Don]

Sorry it took so long. (3 minutes) 

On 8/31/05, Fred De Vries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Gabe, I need a GMail invitation please!
> Send it or I'll talk about gun toting cows that drive gassers and don't
> beleive in police or biodiesel! :)
> FRED DE VRIES
> 
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Re: [MBZ] MBZ GMAIL

[Fred De Vries]

Gabe, I need a GMail invitation please!
Send it or I'll talk about gun toting cows that drive gassers and don't 
beleive in police or biodiesel! :)

FRED DE VRIES

Re: [MBZ] Gmail -

[Gabriel S.]

how many times do i have to say this people: gmail is the best *web
based*email...I never compared it to software based programs like
endora or
outlook!

On 8/31/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> I dont have cable or DSL where Im at yet. I had sat before but now
> have a wireless connection which just became available. Even that is
> not available in very many areas in the country. In town they have all
> the fast stuff but not when you get a few miles out.
> 
> Curt Raymond wrote:
> 
> > The "best" can never be more than subjection and is mostly just opinion.
> > I have both gmail and yahoo mail and I like yahoo better. Its down
> > almost never, gives me plenty of storage and I do fine with putting
> > things in folders rather than giving them stars.
> >
> > Did you know that in some places broadband internet is limited to
> > satellite? Its true, there are plenty of places where dialup is really
> > the only option. There are even people, I know this will be a shock, who
> > don't need broadband... Heck I have a cable modem but no cable TV which
> > most of my neighbors think is totally crazy. I've even considered
> > switching to DSL because its cheaper and I don't really need the extra
> > speed of the cable modem...
> > Different priorities, I'd definately take a step back and reconsider
> > myself before I started telling someone I basically don't know they're
> > wierd. In real life that'd oftentimes get you a knuckle sandwich. I've
> > said for awhile now thats really the use of online discussion forums, to
> > give the meek a place to say things that would in real life get them a
> > kucklesandwich.
> >
> > -Curt
> 
> --
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> 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
> 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail -

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I dont have cable or DSL where Im at  yet.  I had sat before but now 
have a wireless connection which just became available.  Even that is 
not available in very many areas in the country.  In town they have all 
the fast stuff but not when you get a few miles out.


Curt Raymond wrote:

The "best" can never be more than subjection and is mostly just opinion. 
I have both gmail and yahoo mail and I like yahoo better. Its down 
almost never, gives me plenty of storage and I do fine with putting 
things in folders rather than giving them stars.


Did you know that in some places broadband internet is limited to 
satellite? Its true, there are plenty of places where dialup is really 
the only option. There are even people, I know this will be a shock, who 
don't need broadband... Heck I have a cable modem but no cable TV which 
most of my neighbors think is totally crazy. I've even considered 
switching to DSL because its cheaper and I don't really need the extra 
speed of the cable modem...
Different priorities, I'd definately take a step back and reconsider 
myself before I started telling someone I basically don't know they're 
wierd. In real life that'd oftentimes get you a knuckle sandwich. I've 
said for awhile now thats really the use of online discussion forums, to 
give the meek a place to say things that would in real life get them a 
kucklesandwich.


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Gmail -

[Don & Teresa Merriman]

Oh oh, stirring the pot again. I live about 20KM north of Puerto Vallarta 
Mexico and have my choice of DSL or cable or dial up, I use DSL. 
Adios Don

 On 8/31/05, Rob Vonderhaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Gabriel S.
> 
> > 2. Which are these places where you can't get a high speed connection
> > (perhaps a lonely planet like Uranus)?
> 
> There are lots of them! For example, the last two homes I've owned had
> no broadband available, and neither was on Uranus (the former was just
> outside of Boulder, CO; my current home is only 4 miles north of
> Leesburg, VA. This is a heavily-populated suburb of Washington, DC and
> is the fastest-growing county in the U.S. Although there's cable all
> around me, Adelphia never bothered to pull cable to this subdivision
> when it was created so all of us use satellite for TV. And because
> we're 4 miles from the telco switch, there's no DSL available either. I
> suffered with dialup until a local firm started offering wireless DSL
> via a small antenna on the back of my house, and I signed up in a
> heartbeat.
> 
> > 3. Gmail is the best web based email client right now...'nuff said.
> 
> That may be true. I've used Gmail a lot on the road - when I don't have
> my own computer with me, I forward my regular POP mail to Gmail. But
> like David, I still prefer POP-based email with local storage of every
> message. I also prefer email-based lists like this one to online
> web-based discussion forums. Even slight response-time delays (and
> often much longer ones) using web-based stuff drives me nuts. To each
> their own, I guess.
> 
> Rob Vonderhaar
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail -

[Rob Vonderhaar]

- Original Message - 
From: Gabriel S.


2. Which are these places where you can't get a high speed connection 
(perhaps a lonely planet like Uranus)?


There are lots of them!  For example, the last two homes I've owned had 
no broadband available, and neither was on Uranus (the former was just 
outside of Boulder, CO; my current home is only 4 miles north of 
Leesburg, VA.  This is a heavily-populated suburb of Washington, DC and 
is the fastest-growing county in the U.S.  Although there's cable all 
around me, Adelphia never bothered to pull cable to this subdivision 
when it was created so all of us use satellite for TV.  And because 
we're 4 miles from the telco switch, there's no DSL available either.  I 
suffered with dialup until a local firm started offering wireless DSL 
via a small antenna on the back of my house, and I signed up in a 
heartbeat.



3. Gmail is the best web based email client right now...'nuff said.


That may be true.  I've used Gmail a lot on the road - when I don't have 
my own computer with me, I forward my regular POP mail to Gmail.  But 
like David, I still prefer POP-based email with local storage of every 
message.  I also prefer email-based lists like this one to online 
web-based discussion forums.  Even slight response-time delays (and 
often much longer ones) using web-based stuff drives me nuts.  To each 
their own, I guess.


 Rob Vonderhaar 

Re: [MBZ] Gmail -

[Curt Raymond]

Well in fact Friday I'm going to my camp way back in the woods, no highspeed 
access there...

Actually alot of rural towns are starting to tell the cable companies if they 
want to sell cable there broadband needs to be available too.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:52:09 -0700
From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gmail - 
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

with all respect:
 1. You don't have to know somone to be able to tell that they are 
wierd.
 2. Which are these places where you can't get a high speed connection 
(perhaps a lonely planet like Uranus)?
 3. Gmail is the best web based email client right now...'nuff said.
 4. I'm just pulling legs, don't take me seriously. =P



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Re: [MBZ] Gmail -

[Kevin]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 12:52:09PM -0700, Gabriel S. wrote:
>  2. Which are these places where you can't get a high speed connection 
> (perhaps a lonely planet like Uranus)?

Gabriel, there are plenty of places even here in California that high speed
connections aren't available. Extending to the rest of the list, not everyone
lives in southern california, where pretty much anything high tech is 
available.

K

Re: [MBZ] Gmail -

[Gabriel S.]

with all respect:
 1. You don't have to know somone to be able to tell that they are wierd.
 2. Which are these places where you can't get a high speed connection 
(perhaps a lonely planet like Uranus)?
 3. Gmail is the best web based email client right now...'nuff said.
 4. I'm just pulling legs, don't take me seriously. =P

 On 8/31/05, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> The "best" can never be more than subjection and is mostly just opinion. I 
> have both gmail and yahoo mail and I like yahoo better. Its down almost 
> never, gives me plenty of storage and I do fine with putting things in 
> folders rather than giving them stars.
> 
> Did you know that in some places broadband internet is limited to 
> satellite? Its true, there are plenty of places where dialup is really the 
> only option. There are even people, I know this will be a shock, who don't 
> need broadband... Heck I have a cable modem but no cable TV which most of my 
> neighbors think is totally crazy. I've even considered switching to DSL 
> because its cheaper and I don't really need the extra speed of the cable 
> modem...
> Different priorities, I'd definately take a step back and reconsider 
> myself before I started telling someone I basically don't know they're 
> wierd. In real life that'd oftentimes get you a knuckle sandwich. I've said 
> for awhile now thats really the use of online discussion forums, to give the 
> meek a place to say things that would in real life get them a 
> kucklesandwich.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:27:21 -0700
> From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<http://us.f328.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]&YY=11717&order=down&sort=date&pos=0>
> >
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gmail - 
> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]<http://us.f328.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]&YY=11717&order=down&sort=date&pos=0>
> >
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<http://us.f328.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]&YY=11717&order=down&sort=date&pos=0>
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> David, 
> You are a wierd person. Seems like in a world where everyone is 
> walking 
> forward (making forward progress) you seem to be digging backwards! Are 
> you 
> aware that the future is for everything to be constantly online? Why 
> are you 
> still using dialup? Hmmm...do you still listen to tapes instead of cds? 
> Maybe even 8-tracks? Right now gmail is the best web based email for 
> everyone...that is a fact. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail -

[Curt Raymond]

The "best" can never be more than subjection and is mostly just opinion. I have 
both gmail and yahoo mail and I like yahoo better. Its down almost never, gives 
me plenty of storage and I do fine with putting things in folders rather than 
giving them stars.

Did you know that in some places broadband internet is limited to satellite? 
Its true, there are plenty of places where dialup is really the only option. 
There are even people, I know this will be a shock, who don't need broadband... 
Heck I have a cable modem but no cable TV which most of my neighbors think is 
totally crazy. I've even considered switching to DSL because its cheaper and I 
don't really need the extra speed of the cable modem...
Different priorities, I'd definately take a step back and reconsider myself 
before I started telling someone I basically don't know they're wierd. In real 
life that'd oftentimes get you a knuckle sandwich. I've said for awhile now 
thats really the use of online discussion forums, to give the meek a place to 
say things that would in real life get them a kucklesandwich.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:27:21 -0700
From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gmail - 
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

David, 
 You are a wierd person. Seems like in a world where everyone is 
walking 
forward (making forward progress) you seem to be digging backwards! Are 
you 
aware that the future is for everything to be constantly online? Why 
are you 
still using dialup? Hmmm...do you still listen to tapes instead of cds? 
Maybe even 8-tracks? Right now gmail is the best web based email for 
everyone...that is a fact. 



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Re: [MBZ] Gmail -

[Gabriel S.]

I take that back...gmail isn't the best web based email for everyone...it's 
the best web based email for everyone except for you and a handfull of 
tards.
 P.S. last time i checked my local "herb" doctor was nothing more than a 
quack hippie.

 On 8/31/05, Gabriel S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> David, 
>  You are a wierd person. Seems like in a world where everyone is walking 
> forward (making forward progress) you seem to be digging backwards! Are you 
> aware that the future is for everything to be constantly online? Why are you 
> still using dialup? Hmmm...do you still listen to tapes instead of cds? 
> Maybe even 8-tracks? Right now gmail is the best web based email for 
> everyone...that is a fact. 
>   
> 
>  On 8/30/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > 
> > Fmiser wrote:
> > > In my case, it's _because_ the list is so busy I _don't_ want to use
> > > gmail's web mail service!! _I_ think it's pretty silly to tie up my 
> > > 'phone line just to _read_ all the email that comes from all the 
> > lists.
> > 
> > I have a cable modem, but I read the list with Mozilla Thunderbird even
> > though I have a gmail account. I just plain hate web interfaces. 
> > 
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> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Gabriel Soto
> Southern California
> 1987 300D 230K=- 




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1987 300D 230K=-

Re: [MBZ] Gmail -

[Gabriel S.]

David, 
 You are a wierd person. Seems like in a world where everyone is walking 
forward (making forward progress) you seem to be digging backwards! Are you 
aware that the future is for everything to be constantly online? Why are you 
still using dialup? Hmmm...do you still listen to tapes instead of cds? 
Maybe even 8-tracks? Right now gmail is the best web based email for 
everyone...that is a fact. 
 

 On 8/30/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Fmiser wrote:
> > In my case, it's _because_ the list is so busy I _don't_ want to use
> > gmail's web mail service!! _I_ think it's pretty silly to tie up my
> > 'phone line just to _read_ all the email that comes from all the lists.
> 
> I have a cable modem, but I read the list with Mozilla Thunderbird even
> though I have a gmail account. I just plain hate web interfaces.
> 
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> 
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Southern California
1987 300D 230K=-

Re: [MBZ] Gmail -

[David Brodbeck]

Fmiser wrote:
> In my case, it's _because_ the list is so busy I _don't_ want to use
> gmail's web mail service!! _I_ think it's pretty silly to tie up my
> 'phone line just to _read_ all the email that comes from all the lists.

I have a cable modem, but I read the list with Mozilla Thunderbird even
though I have a gmail account.  I just plain hate web interfaces.

Re: [MBZ] Gmail -

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Tjohn wrote:

> Let me take this a step further. Anyone complaining about the number of 
> posts who doesnt have gmail is like a sick patient who refuses to take his 
> medicine.

  << CAUTION! Rant alert!!! >>

Only someone stupid enough to think that doctors and medicine are the
only solution for sickness is likely to think that gmail is a good idea
for everyone.

 *   Sorry Tjohn. I'm _am_ picking on you. You're post just happens
 *   to be the latest/strongest post. It's not that I have anything 
 *   against you. *smile*

In my case, it's _because_ the list is so busy I _don't_ want to use
gmail's web mail service!! _I_ think it's pretty silly to tie up my
'phone line just to _read_ all the email that comes from all the lists.

> Gmail groups the various posters in a thread, and displays only 
> the ones you haven't read. It also automatically hide quoted text, so when 
> someone quotes a whole thread, then adds "me too," all you see is their 
> post. It is perfectly suited to email lists, and doesn't have to be 
> configured to work. 

These features you speak so highly of _only_ work if you think that
reading email _while_ online is a sensible thing...

Some of us think there are other ways.

Yes, I use a gmail address. But I don't read my mail online - nor do I
read my snail-mail while sitting in the Post Office. So those features
you assume all gmail users "benefit" from don't apply to me.

So I'm glad gmail works well for you. But don't think that the way _you_
use gmail is the one and only, best way for everyone.

I choose to use a local (LAN) IMAP and SMTP servers running on GNU/Linux
with custom scripts for sending and receiving. This, for me, is the most
sensible way for me to manage my email. But I'm smart enough to also
know that just because it works well for me _doesn't_ mean that it is
the right answer for everone.

Please continue to share the advantages you see in gmail.

Please keep in mind that even gmail has a number of options.

  Philip,
gmail user, who's tired of reading
 "If you don't use Gmail web mail, 
  you are stooopid!!"

Re: [MBZ] Gmail

[LT Don]

GMail does from time to time give server errors and not let you in, but that 
is a small price to pay for free.

Re: [MBZ] Gmail

[Gabriel S.]

)Word! Gmail is truly amazing...almost as good at outlook (outlook xp) 
itself

On 8/30/05, Rory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> I call it a no-brainer 
> 
> On 8/30/05, TimothyPilgrim < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > 
> > I fourth this! This kind of email list is a clear example of how to 
> > best use Gmail. The threading of discussions is second to none.
> > 
> > Tim
> > 1982 300TD Moby
> > 
> > On 8/29/05, Tjohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Let me take this a step further. Anyone complaining about the number 
> > of 
> > > posts who doesnt have gmail is like a sick patient who refuses to take 
> > his
> > > medicine. Gmail groups the various posters in a thread, and displays 
> > only
> > > the ones you haven't read. It also automatically hide quoted text, so 
> > when 
> > > someone quotes a whole thread, then adds "me too," all you see is 
> > their
> > > post. It is perfectly suited to email lists, and doesn't have to be
> > > configured to work. I too have invites, pls take us up on the offer. 
> > >
> > > Tjohn
> > > 82 300SD 218K
> > >
> > > On 8/29/05, Don & Teresa Merriman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I use gmail for personal & biz, very good tool. (snip) 
> > > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail

[Rory]

I call it a no-brainer

On 8/30/05, TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I fourth this! This kind of email list is a clear example of how to
> best use Gmail. The threading of discussions is second to none.
> 
> Tim
> 1982 300TD Moby
> 
> On 8/29/05, Tjohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Let me take this a step further. Anyone complaining about the number of
> > posts who doesnt have gmail is like a sick patient who refuses to take 
> his
> > medicine. Gmail groups the various posters in a thread, and displays 
> only
> > the ones you haven't read. It also automatically hide quoted text, so 
> when
> > someone quotes a whole thread, then adds "me too," all you see is their
> > post. It is perfectly suited to email lists, and doesn't have to be
> > configured to work. I too have invites, pls take us up on the offer.
> >
> > Tjohn
> > 82 300SD 218K
> >
> > On 8/29/05, Don & Teresa Merriman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I use gmail for personal & biz, very good tool. (snip)
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail

[TimothyPilgrim]

I fourth this! This kind of email list is a clear example of how to
best use Gmail. The threading of discussions is second to none.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 8/29/05, Tjohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let me take this a step further.  Anyone complaining about the number of
> posts who doesnt have gmail is like a sick patient who refuses to take his
> medicine.  Gmail groups the various posters in a thread, and displays only
> the ones you haven't read.  It also automatically hide quoted text, so when
> someone quotes a whole thread, then adds "me too," all you see is their
> post.  It is perfectly suited to email lists, and doesn't have to be
> configured to work.  I too have invites, pls take us up on the offer.
>  
>  Tjohn
>  82 300SD 218K
> 
> On 8/29/05, Don & Teresa Merriman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > I use gmail for personal & biz, very good tool. (snip)
> > 
> 
>  
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Re: [MBZ] Gmail

[Tjohn]

Let me take this a step further. Anyone complaining about the number of 
posts who doesnt have gmail is like a sick patient who refuses to take his 
medicine. Gmail groups the various posters in a thread, and displays only 
the ones you haven't read. It also automatically hide quoted text, so when 
someone quotes a whole thread, then adds "me too," all you see is their 
post. It is perfectly suited to email lists, and doesn't have to be 
configured to work. I too have invites, pls take us up on the offer.

Tjohn
82 300SD 218K

On 8/29/05, Don & Teresa Merriman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I use gmail for personal & biz, very good tool. (snip)
>

Re: [MBZ] Gmail

[Don & Teresa Merriman]

I use gmail for personal & biz, very good tool. I also have some invitations 
available if somebody needs one.
Don

 On 8/29/05, Gabriel S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> To anyone out there using web based email other than gmail; i highly
> suggest you get a gmail account...gmail is by far the best web based
> email out there...if you would like an invite just send me a message
> with the subject "invite needed" and i will send you one right away.
> 
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> Gabriel Soto
> Southern California
> 1987 300D 230K=-
> 
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Vacation Rentals
Property Administration
www.marketplacemexico.com 

[MBZ] Gmail

[Gabriel S.]

To anyone out there using web based email other than gmail; i highly
suggest you get a gmail account...gmail is by far the best web based
email out there...if you would like an invite just send me a message
with the subject "invite needed" and i will send you one right away.

-- 
Gabriel Soto
Southern California
1987 300D 230K=-