Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Well despite curts objections I went to lowes and compared the husky side by side with that poulan 20. visual inspection the 20 was much more heavy duty than the 18 I first had. It also seems very similar to the Husky so I bought the Poulan. i will give it a go and see what happens. On 8/12/2013 8:45 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: Buy this at Lowes and be done with it. http://www.husqvarna.com/us/products/chainsaws/455-rancher/ Go to a saw shop and get a real chain (or Baileys). That lawyer mandated, estrogen induced, feminized, metro-sexual, low kickback chain won't cut butter. You want to hang drapes, or cut wood? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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+1 for Where's the Diesel chain saws? Well, the Unimog that the US Army's SEE is based upon has some attachments, and one is (IIRC) a hydraulic-powered chain saw that hooks to the Mog. Which is diesel, so there you go. Gotta be a drag with a couple of hoses running behind you, though. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 09/08/2013 7:25 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Yes it's new. It does have a primer bulb, it says pump it 6 times warm or cold to start. I have tried pumping it 6 times, 20 times, no times make no difference when it gets to not wanting to start The primer bulb sucks from a carb vent and pumps back to the tank. If it's sucking fuel, the carby should be full. You may just have a defective carby. Mitch. Sounds to me, more like the primer is not sucking the gas up and feeding it to the carb. If it was, one would think there would be an issue of flooding rather than a dry spark plug. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 09/08/2013 7:27 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 19:05:39 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: As I was falling and jumping backward off the ladder, I threw the saw way off the right at about 2 o'clock. As I was getting up, I realized that the saw was lying across the yard idling perfectly, and continued to do so henceforth. What it needed was a good throwing/tossing across the yard. Good fix, Wilton! ATTABOY! Craig Tried that. Did not work for me. Maybe, my problem was that the saw was not running when I threw it. Like Kaleb, I was struggling with a saw that would not start, and tossed it across the yard in a moment when my temper got the better of me. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy Bennell wrote: Sounds to me, more like the primer is not sucking the gas up and feeding it to the carb. If it was, one would think there would be an issue of flooding rather than a dry spark plug. The primer sucks the air out of the carb. When there's no air in the carb the primer bulb fills up with fuel. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 10/08/2013 6:20 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote: On my tiller the choke does not seal when closed. Starts only when I squirt some gas in the intake. Have you looked to see if it is possible to adjust something so that the choke plate will close? I have a similar problem with a couple of small engines and had not noticed whether the choke plate closes well. I will have a look at mine next time I use one of them to see if that is an issue on my motors. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you pump it too much will it flood the carb? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 09/08/2013 7:25 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Yes it's new. It does have a primer bulb, it says pump it 6 times warm or cold to start. I have tried pumping it 6 times, 20 times, no times make no difference when it gets to not wanting to start The primer bulb sucks from a carb vent and pumps back to the tank. If it's sucking fuel, the carby should be full. You may just have a defective carby. Mitch. Sounds to me, more like the primer is not sucking the gas up and feeding it to the carb. If it was, one would think there would be an issue of flooding rather than a dry spark plug. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: If you pump it too much will it flood the carb? I don't see how. If the bulb fills with fuel, that pretty much tells you the fuel filter and carb inlet screen are OK, but there could be other things wrong with the carb. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you pump it too much will it flood the carb? Sent from my iPhone It is 'sposed ta. If it is working right, it will flood the carb. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ok I just wondered if maybe pumping it too much was flooding it. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: If you pump it too much will it flood the carb? I don't see how. If the bulb fills with fuel, that pretty much tells you the fuel filter and carb inlet screen are OK, but there could be other things wrong with the carb. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Ok I just wondered if maybe pumping it too much was flooding it. I don't think so. Loren does. If you went here, you'd get the definitive answer: http://arboristsite.com/chainsaw/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And run out all over the place. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won If you pump it too much will it flood the carb? Sent from my iPhone It is 'sposed ta. If it is working right, it will flood the carb. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Ok I just wondered if maybe pumping it too much was flooding it. I don't think so. Loren does. If you went here, you'd get the definitive answer: http://arboristsite.com/chainsaw/ __ I don't know that for sure, so I defer to Mitch's expertise. I can't say that I ever flooded one, but the rental Huskq... concrete saws that would not run, they said were flooded after we took them back. But those have a choke, so I think maybe I got the different types mixed up. I think EPA made chokes disappear. Thus K'leb's problem... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Aug 12, 2013 11:13 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I think EPA made chokes disappear. My Husky 445 saw that I bought in 2010 or so and the 3xx-something trimmer that I bought a week ago both have manual chokes. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So after calling about 5 different places listed on the poulan site none of them wanted to mess with it, said they do not do warranty work. I called lowes and the guy said he was 95% sure they would exchange it if I brought it down there. I may try that just to see what happens. Long story short, poulan is junk. I figured it was junk but I figured it would at least work the 1 time a year I may need to use it. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 12, 2013 11:13 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I think EPA made chokes disappear. My Husky 445 saw that I bought in 2010 or so and the 3xx-something trimmer that I bought a week ago both have manual chokes. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ok so as I was loading it up to take it to lowes I decided to pull the rope. No prime, no choke no nothing it start and ran great on the first pull. Nice and responsive etc. turned it off, tried to start it again, would not start. Took it back to lowes and I will be damned if they did not swap it out with no problem at all. I am impressed. So now I have another brand new junk poulan saw and will see what happens Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: So after calling about 5 different places listed on the poulan site none of them wanted to mess with it, said they do not do warranty work. I called lowes and the guy said he was 95% sure they would exchange it if I brought it down there. I may try that just to see what happens. Long story short, poulan is junk. I figured it was junk but I figured it would at least work the 1 time a year I may need to use it. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 12, 2013 11:13 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I think EPA made chokes disappear. My Husky 445 saw that I bought in 2010 or so and the 3xx-something trimmer that I bought a week ago both have manual chokes. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 14:12:24 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Ok so as I was loading it up to take it to lowes I decided to pull the rope. No prime, no choke no nothing it start and ran great on the first pull. Nice and responsive etc. turned it off, tried to start it again, would not start. Took it back to lowes and I will be damned if they did not swap it out with no problem at all. I am impressed. So now I have another brand new junk poulan saw and will see what happens If you bought a Poulan saw from a saw shop, I'm sure you would get a much better saw. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't think so either because the carb should have a return line from the carb back to the tank. I put a squeeze bulb primer on my snowmobile years ago like you might see on a boat. Squeeze the bulb and it fills the carb with gas, excess shoots out the overflow back to the tank. Makes starting the old sled a breeze, especially the really old ones where the tank is under the engine. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:57:31 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 520913fb.5030...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Ok I just wondered if maybe pumping it too much was flooding it. I don't think so. Loren does. If you went here, you'd get the definitive answer: http://arboristsite.com/chainsaw/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You should be able to get store credit on returns too if you want to buy another kind or use the credit to buy other stuff. --R On 8/12/13 3:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Ok so as I was loading it up to take it to lowes I decided to pull the rope. No prime, no choke no nothing it start and ran great on the first pull. Nice and responsive etc. turned it off, tried to start it again, would not start. Took it back to lowes and I will be damned if they did not swap it out with no problem at all. I am impressed. So now I have another brand new junk poulan saw and will see what happens Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: So after calling about 5 different places listed on the poulan site none of them wanted to mess with it, said they do not do warranty work. I called lowes and the guy said he was 95% sure they would exchange it if I brought it down there. I may try that just to see what happens. Long story short, poulan is junk. I figured it was junk but I figured it would at least work the 1 time a year I may need to use it. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 12, 2013 11:13 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I think EPA made chokes disappear. My Husky 445 saw that I bought in 2010 or so and the 3xx-something trimmer that I bought a week ago both have manual chokes. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ok so as I was loading it up to take it to lowes I decided to pull the rope. No prime, no choke no nothing it start and ran great on the first pull. Nice and responsive etc. turned it off, tried to start it again, would not start. Took it back to lowes and I will be damned if they did not swap it out with no problem at all. I am impressed. So now I have another brand new junk poulan saw and will see what happens Sent from my iPhone Does it have the primer bulb and a choke? If so, yes you can flood it. My general practice for starting chaninsaws is to choke it, push the primer bulb if it has one; pull the rope until it starts and dies. Then you know it is flooded. Then put the choke off and pull the rope until it starts. On my stihl this is generally 2 pulls, one to flood it and one to start it. The poulans sometimes start this well, and sometimes don't. The poulans don't start at all then the plastic fuel pickup tubing has rotted off from the crappy stuff the sell as gasoline these days. The Stihl must have some other way of picking up the fuel from the tank. On a flooded gasoline engine mit carburetor, you open the throttle wide and crank. THat works for chainsaws too. Seems to me that maybe your saw was flooded. May be or maybe not Can't tell from here. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Quick - before you put fuel in it etc. - take it back and see if they will swap you for a Husquvarna. Will cost a bit more but you will be happier in the long run. Randy On 12/08/2013 2:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Ok so as I was loading it up to take it to lowes I decided to pull the rope. No prime, no choke no nothing it start and ran great on the first pull. Nice and responsive etc. turned it off, tried to start it again, would not start. Took it back to lowes and I will be damned if they did not swap it out with no problem at all. I am impressed. So now I have another brand new junk poulan saw and will see what happens Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: So after calling about 5 different places listed on the poulan site none of them wanted to mess with it, said they do not do warranty work. I called lowes and the guy said he was 95% sure they would exchange it if I brought it down there. I may try that just to see what happens. Long story short, poulan is junk. I figured it was junk but I figured it would at least work the 1 time a year I may need to use it. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 12, 2013 11:13 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I think EPA made chokes disappear. My Husky 445 saw that I bought in 2010 or so and the 3xx-something trimmer that I bought a week ago both have manual chokes. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 12/08/2013 2:35 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Ok so as I was loading it up to take it to lowes I decided to pull the rope. No prime, no choke no nothing it start and ran great on the first pull. Nice and responsive etc. turned it off, tried to start it again, would not start. Took it back to lowes and I will be damned if they did not swap it out with no problem at all. I am impressed. So now I have another brand new junk poulan saw and will see what happens Sent from my iPhone Does it have the primer bulb and a choke? If so, yes you can flood it. My general practice for starting chaninsaws is to choke it, push the primer bulb if it has one; pull the rope until it starts and dies. Then you know it is flooded. Then put the choke off and pull the rope until it starts. On my stihl this is generally 2 pulls, one to flood it and one to start it. The poulans sometimes start this well, and sometimes don't. The poulans don't start at all then the plastic fuel pickup tubing has rotted off from the crappy stuff the sell as gasoline these days. The Stihl must have some other way of picking up the fuel from the tank. On a flooded gasoline engine mit carburetor, you open the throttle wide and crank. THat works for chainsaws too. Seems to me that maybe your saw was flooded. May be or maybe not Can't tell from here. ___ The classic way to start the older saws that did not have the primer was to pull the choke on and squeeze the trigger to open the throttle and push in the pin to hold it wide open and then pull on the cord. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well they just swaped it out but I have not opened it yet or anything. I thought about seeing if there was a different brand up there that would be better. On 8/12/2013 2:34 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: You should be able to get store credit on returns too if you want to buy another kind or use the credit to buy other stuff. --R On 8/12/13 3:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Ok so as I was loading it up to take it to lowes I decided to pull the rope. No prime, no choke no nothing it start and ran great on the first pull. Nice and responsive etc. turned it off, tried to start it again, would not start. Took it back to lowes and I will be damned if they did not swap it out with no problem at all. I am impressed. So now I have another brand new junk poulan saw and will see what happens Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: So after calling about 5 different places listed on the poulan site none of them wanted to mess with it, said they do not do warranty work. I called lowes and the guy said he was 95% sure they would exchange it if I brought it down there. I may try that just to see what happens. Long story short, poulan is junk. I figured it was junk but I figured it would at least work the 1 time a year I may need to use it. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 12, 2013 11:13 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I think EPA made chokes disappear. My Husky 445 saw that I bought in 2010 or so and the 3xx-something trimmer that I bought a week ago both have manual chokes. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6569 - Release Date: 08/11/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, it has a bulb and a choke. On 8/12/2013 2:35 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Ok so as I was loading it up to take it to lowes I decided to pull the rope. No prime, no choke no nothing it start and ran great on the first pull. Nice and responsive etc. turned it off, tried to start it again, would not start. Took it back to lowes and I will be damned if they did not swap it out with no problem at all. I am impressed. So now I have another brand new junk poulan saw and will see what happens Sent from my iPhone Does it have the primer bulb and a choke? If so, yes you can flood it. My general practice for starting chaninsaws is to choke it, push the primer bulb if it has one; pull the rope until it starts and dies. Then you know it is flooded. Then put the choke off and pull the rope until it starts. On my stihl this is generally 2 pulls, one to flood it and one to start it. The poulans sometimes start this well, and sometimes don't. The poulans don't start at all then the plastic fuel pickup tubing has rotted off from the crappy stuff the sell as gasoline these days. The Stihl must have some other way of picking up the fuel from the tank. On a flooded gasoline engine mit carburetor, you open the throttle wide and crank. THat works for chainsaws too. Seems to me that maybe your saw was flooded. May be or maybe not Can't tell from here. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6569 - Release Date: 08/11/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I thought about that, and I am sure they will, I would be willing to pay extra for a better saw. I thought these were made by Husquvarna though? On 8/12/2013 2:45 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Quick - before you put fuel in it etc. - take it back and see if they will swap you for a Husquvarna. Will cost a bit more but you will be happier in the long run. Randy On 12/08/2013 2:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Ok so as I was loading it up to take it to lowes I decided to pull the rope. No prime, no choke no nothing it start and ran great on the first pull. Nice and responsive etc. turned it off, tried to start it again, would not start. Took it back to lowes and I will be damned if they did not swap it out with no problem at all. I am impressed. So now I have another brand new junk poulan saw and will see what happens Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: So after calling about 5 different places listed on the poulan site none of them wanted to mess with it, said they do not do warranty work. I called lowes and the guy said he was 95% sure they would exchange it if I brought it down there. I may try that just to see what happens. Long story short, poulan is junk. I figured it was junk but I figured it would at least work the 1 time a year I may need to use it. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 12, 2013 11:13 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I think EPA made chokes disappear. My Husky 445 saw that I bought in 2010 or so and the 3xx-something trimmer that I bought a week ago both have manual chokes. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6569 - Release Date: 08/11/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have no idea about that but I bought a Husquvarna a couple of years back and so far am happy with it. Randy On 12/08/2013 3:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I thought about that, and I am sure they will, I would be willing to pay extra for a better saw. I thought these were made by Husquvarna though? On 8/12/2013 2:45 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Quick - before you put fuel in it etc. - take it back and see if they will swap you for a Husquvarna. Will cost a bit more but you will be happier in the long run. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Husky owns Poulan. So, doing some looking on lowes website, and no more than I will use the thing, I can't really justify spending an extra $100 or more to get the same size 18 husky. Looking at the reviews it seems these can also suffer the hard start. What I am thinking about though is taking this one back and spending an extra $30 for the 20 Poulan pro saw. It seems to have better reviews, so maybe it does not have the same problems and seems a little more heavy duty without spending more for the husky. This is what I have http://www.lowes.com/pd_182191-86886-PP4218A_4294747183__?productId=3693568Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1 this is what I am thinking about, not sure if any difference other than size but seems to have better reviews http://www.lowes.com/pd_353792-86886-PP5020_4294747183__?productId=3353618Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1 On 8/12/2013 4:26 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: I have no idea about that but I bought a Husquvarna a couple of years back and so far am happy with it. Randy On 12/08/2013 3:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I thought about that, and I am sure they will, I would be willing to pay extra for a better saw. I thought these were made by Husquvarna though? On 8/12/2013 2:45 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Quick - before you put fuel in it etc. - take it back and see if they will swap you for a Husquvarna. Will cost a bit more but you will be happier in the long run. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6572 - Release Date: 08/12/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb, I hope the new saw (Poulan or other) works out. I urge you to use only fresh gas (to avoid gumming up the carb) and keep the mix mixed (for longevity). As far as I know, all these 2-cycle carbs are similar (and fundamentally different from 4-cycle carbs) and bad fuel can harm any of them. I've owned several Poulan chain saws, blowers, weed whackers, etc. They don't last forever (probably cheaper metallurgy plus lower production QC) but I always get at least 5-10 years service unless I poison them with bad fuel. There must be lemons but I haven't gotten one yet. My use is light-duty homeowner stuff so a throw-away after a few years is OK by me. But if I was a heavy user (like a tree guy) I'd spring for a Stihl or Echo. My other pet peeve is to keep the chain sharp (only requires a file). A dull chain is dangerous and it stresses all other parts of the saw. You want to see nice little chunks of wood when you cut, not dust. I ran across the following link that has a lot of detail on these all attitude carbs. It may help explain my obsession about fuel. http://www.asos1.com/smallengine02/smallengine02.htm Note the many small fuel passages that would be easily blocked by a little gum or varnish. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It seems to me you have a variable definition for flooded. To me flooded means theres more gas available than can be handled by the spark plug. A wet spark plug produces considerably less spark than a dry one so theres no starting. It seems you start by using flooded to mean primed but then change to flooded when you talk about holding full throttle to clear the extra fuel... My Husky has a primer bulb that I only use if the saw has been sitting a few weeks or more. If its been running recently I flip the choke and it'll start pretty easy. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 14:35:05 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: a062408d7ce2ee77cf6a2@[192.168.0.107] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Does it have the primer bulb and a choke? If so, yes you can flood it. My general practice for starting chaninsaws is to choke it, push the primer bulb if it has one; pull the rope until it starts and dies. Then you know it is flooded. Then put the choke off and pull the rope until it starts. On my stihl this is generally 2 pulls, one to flood it and one to start it. The poulans sometimes start this well, and sometimes don't. The poulans don't start at all then the plastic fuel pickup tubing has rotted off from the crappy stuff the sell as gasoline these days. The Stihl must have some other way of picking up the fuel from the tank. On a flooded gasoline engine mit carburetor, you open the throttle wide and crank. THat works for chainsaws too. Seems to me that maybe your saw was flooded. May be or maybe not Can't tell from here. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wikipedia says Husky bought Poulan but Husky and Jonsered are both owned by Electrolux. I suspect Poulan are actually made by the lowest bidder in China. My Husky says made in Sweden on it. When I got it I was concerned that the bottom end of the motor is plastic. Now 5 or 6 years later after hours of hard cutting I don't think it matters. The model is more important than the brand as is where you buy it. A crappy homeowner saw from a big box will suck and have poor support. A good semi-pro model from a saw shop will give a lot more satisfaction and have much better support. According to Kaleb the price difference isn't all that much either. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:26:46 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 52095316.1000...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have no idea about that but I bought a Husquvarna a couple of years back and so far am happy with it. Randy On 12/08/2013 3:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I thought about that, and I am sure they will, I would be willing to pay extra for a better saw. I thought these were made by Husquvarna though? On 8/12/2013 2:45 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Quick - before you put fuel in it etc. - take it back and see if they will swap you for a Husquvarna. Will cost a bit more but you will be happier in the long run. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mine that start are poulan pro Husky owns Poulan. So, doing some looking on lowes website, and no more than I will use the thing, I can't really justify spending an extra $100 or more to get the same size 18 husky. Looking at the reviews it seems these can also suffer the hard start. What I am thinking about though is taking this one back and spending an extra $30 for the 20 Poulan pro saw. It seems to have better reviews, so maybe it does not have the same problems and seems a little more heavy duty without spending more for the husky. This is what I have http://www.lowes.com/pd_182191-86886-PP4218A_4294747183__?productId=3693568Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1 this is what I am thinking about, not sure if any difference other than size but seems to have better reviews http://www.lowes.com/pd_353792-86886-PP5020_4294747183__?productId=3353618Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1 I think the larger one is the same as one I have. Hard to tell from the picture, but the smaller one may be the updated version of the smaller one I have. It has the choke on the right side of the handle while for the larger one, you can see the choke on the left side of the handle. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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From what I have read the bigger 20 may be more Husky than Poulan, if it makes a different. I am thinking about doing the sway when I head back to town shortly On 8/12/2013 5:36 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Mine that start are poulan pro Husky owns Poulan. So, doing some looking on lowes website, and no more than I will use the thing, I can't really justify spending an extra $100 or more to get the same size 18 husky. Looking at the reviews it seems these can also suffer the hard start. What I am thinking about though is taking this one back and spending an extra $30 for the 20 Poulan pro saw. It seems to have better reviews, so maybe it does not have the same problems and seems a little more heavy duty without spending more for the husky. This is what I have http://www.lowes.com/pd_182191-86886-PP4218A_4294747183__?productId=3693568Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1 this is what I am thinking about, not sure if any difference other than size but seems to have better reviews http://www.lowes.com/pd_353792-86886-PP5020_4294747183__?productId=3353618Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1 I think the larger one is the same as one I have. Hard to tell from the picture, but the smaller one may be the updated version of the smaller one I have. It has the choke on the right side of the handle while for the larger one, you can see the choke on the left side of the handle. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6572 - Release Date: 08/12/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It seems to me you have a variable definition for flooded. To me flooded means theres more gas available than can be handled by the spark plug. A wet spark plug produces considerably less spark than a dry one so theres no starting. It seems you start by using flooded to mean primed but then change to flooded when you talk about holding full throttle to clear the extra fuel... My Husky has a primer bulb that I only use if the saw has been sitting a few weeks or more. If its been running recently I flip the choke and it'll start pretty easy. -Curt I mean too rich to run. I don't generally check to see if the spark plug is wet. With the choke out, it starts, and runs and dies before I can get to the choke to shove it in. TO me that is more flooded than primed. to me primed means there is adequate gasoline to the carb. But I hate gassers, so I really don't care how you want to define the terms. Gimme a Diesel! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Kaleb, I hope the new saw (Poulan or other) works out. I urge you to use only fresh gas (to avoid gumming up the carb) and keep the mix mixed (for longevity). As far as I know, all these 2-cycle carbs are similar (and fundamentally different from 4-cycle carbs) and bad fuel can harm any of them. I've owned several Poulan chain saws, blowers, weed whackers, etc. They don't last forever (probably cheaper metallurgy plus lower production QC) but I always get at least 5-10 years service unless I poison them with bad fuel. There must be lemons but I haven't gotten one yet. My use is light-duty homeowner stuff so a throw-away after a few years is OK by me. But if I was a heavy user (like a tree guy) I'd spring for a Stihl or Echo. My other pet peeve is to keep the chain sharp (only requires a file). A dull chain is dangerous and it stresses all other parts of the saw. You want to see nice little chunks of wood when you cut, not dust. I ran across the following link that has a lot of detail on these all attitude carbs. It may help explain my obsession about fuel. http://www.asos1.com/smallengine02/smallengine02.htm Note the many small fuel passages that would be easily blocked by a little gum or varnish. Hasn't changed from the 30s or 40s, when Farmall tractors had a decal by the gas cap that said buy clean fuel, Keep it clean. Even with QA improvements, the fuel now is unstable, so it is probably worse than when those tractors were new. I never use 2 cycle gas that is over 4 months old. I always keep the lid on the fuel can. I always empty the tank of the 2 cycle engine before storing, and then let it run out of gas. My 30 year old stihl has never failed to start. Old 2 cycle gas can be burned in your car, or used for bbq lighter if you are extremely careful. (Don't get within 3 feet of the grill when lighting.) It is less volatile than straight gasoline, which does not make bbq lighter. 16 to one is better then 50 to one also, as the higher oil content makes it less volatile. As Scott says, 2 cycle carburetors are more prone to plugging than other carbs. You don't want gasoline in them getting stale or corroding the pot metal. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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From what I have read the bigger 20 may be more Husky than Poulan, if it makes a different. I am thinking about doing the sway when I head back to town shortly I have to say that to me the 18 is more usable than the 20 saw. But then I like small saws. My all time favorite is the 16 homely-ite Super EZ. I grew up using a 25 lb McCollough 24 so I really appreciated the Super EZ. If I were running a saw everyday, I'd have a Stilh. The 20 poulan may be mostly huskq, but I've never had a Huskq. It is similar only in color to the 18 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This thread has been running for several days now, but only focused on fuel, carb, primer, etc etc.. There is another component set to that small engine that will cause the same level of grief. That is the ignition system. In almost all cases spark is made by a magneto. If that magneto pickup gap is set to wide, or to small, it will start hard, run like crap, and not make proper power. Again, I suggest you pull the plug, connect the plug wire, lay the plug on the bare metal head of the engine where you can observe the spark and see if it is a nice bright blue hot spark or a weak one.. Also, you might want to look into how to set the gap for the magneto.. many times in production, things are slipped through that don't really pass muster, boxed and sold. Could be you have one that almost didn't make test cell. Grant... On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Wikipedia says Husky bought Poulan but Husky and Jonsered are both owned by Electrolux. I suspect Poulan are actually made by the lowest bidder in China. My Husky says made in Sweden on it. When I got it I was concerned that the bottom end of the motor is plastic. Now 5 or 6 years later after hours of hard cutting I don't think it matters. The model is more important than the brand as is where you buy it. A crappy homeowner saw from a big box will suck and have poor support. A good semi-pro model from a saw shop will give a lot more satisfaction and have much better support. According to Kaleb the price difference isn't all that much either. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:26:46 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 52095316.1000...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have no idea about that but I bought a Husquvarna a couple of years back and so far am happy with it. Randy On 12/08/2013 3:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I thought about that, and I am sure they will, I would be willing to pay extra for a better saw. I thought these were made by Husquvarna though? On 8/12/2013 2:45 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Quick - before you put fuel in it etc. - take it back and see if they will swap you for a Husquvarna. Will cost a bit more but you will be happier in the long run. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Taiwan is the best Asian place to buy bicycle parts from. Some of the best rims and frames are made there, both carbon and aluminum. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi) On 8/7/2013 5:53 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i still like bicycles and advise anyone looking for a bicycle that if they see the words tig welded taiwan on the frame they are in good shape. i've also been having good luck selling taiwan parts for mercedes to those who don't want to be screwed by PRC yet dont want to buy something real korean stuff is even better. i wouldnt' touch a korean product in teh 80s but would not hesitate today ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well I took the new one back and go a gift card. They did not have the 20 so I will pick one when I am in Tulsa tomorrow at a different lowes that show then in stock online. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: From what I have read the bigger 20 may be more Husky than Poulan, if it makes a different. I am thinking about doing the sway when I head back to town shortly I have to say that to me the 18 is more usable than the 20 saw. But then I like small saws. My all time favorite is the 16 homely-ite Super EZ. I grew up using a 25 lb McCollough 24 so I really appreciated the Super EZ. If I were running a saw everyday, I'd have a Stilh. The 20 poulan may be mostly huskq, but I've never had a Huskq. It is similar only in color to the 18 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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50cc should be a powerful saw, its still a cheaply made cheapo. This is what I have: http://www.lowes.com/pd_498940-86886-445_0__?productId=50015946cm_mmc=search_google-_-Outdoor%20Power%20Equipment_RTC-_-Husqvarna_445-_-husqvarna%20445 and its the absolute minimum I'd ever consider. Consider for a moment the amount of time you've wasted on that cheap saw. You'd be ahead on money if you'd just bought a good saw from a real saw shop in the first place. My Husky is a mid-line Ford, your Poulin is a Yugo... -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:15:40 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 52095e8c.40...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Husky owns Poulan. So, doing some looking on lowes website, and no more than I will use the thing, I can't really justify spending an extra $100 or more to get the same size 18 husky. Looking at the reviews it seems these can also suffer the hard start. What I am thinking about though is taking this one back and spending an extra $30 for the 20 Poulan pro saw. It seems to have better reviews, so maybe it does not have the same problems and seems a little more heavy duty without spending more for the husky. This is what I have http://www.lowes.com/pd_182191-86886-PP4218A_4294747183__?productId=3693568Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1 this is what I am thinking about, not sure if any difference other than size but seems to have better reviews http://www.lowes.com/pd_353792-86886-PP5020_4294747183__?productId=3353618Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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25-30 years ago Poulan made good saws. I borrowed one when I first moved into the house, 20 bar, big profile chain, lots of power. Poulan is now all Wal-Mart quality. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:36:38 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: a062408ddce2f12eb2471@[192.168.0.107] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Mine that start are poulan pro ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ok Maybe I will swing for that one, but I still don't think the one time a year I would need it is worth it. So you like yours? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 50cc should be a powerful saw, its still a cheaply made cheapo. This is what I have: http://www.lowes.com/pd_498940-86886-445_0__?productId=50015946cm_mmc=search_google-_-Outdoor%20Power%20Equipment_RTC-_-Husqvarna_445-_-husqvarna%20445 and its the absolute minimum I'd ever consider. Consider for a moment the amount of time you've wasted on that cheap saw. You'd be ahead on money if you'd just bought a good saw from a real saw shop in the first place. My Husky is a mid-line Ford, your Poulin is a Yugo... -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:15:40 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 52095e8c.40...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Husky owns Poulan. So, doing some looking on lowes website, and no more than I will use the thing, I can't really justify spending an extra $100 or more to get the same size 18 husky. Looking at the reviews it seems these can also suffer the hard start. What I am thinking about though is taking this one back and spending an extra $30 for the 20 Poulan pro saw. It seems to have better reviews, so maybe it does not have the same problems and seems a little more heavy duty without spending more for the husky. This is what I have http://www.lowes.com/pd_182191-86886-PP4218A_4294747183__?productId=3693568Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1 this is what I am thinking about, not sure if any difference other than size but seems to have better reviews http://www.lowes.com/pd_353792-86886-PP5020_4294747183__?productId=3353618Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
I've got that one, it is hard to start too. Gotta hold he throttle open, prime or pump, pull several times, even when hot. First one the brake thingy broke but they gave me a new one. Lot of plastic. But it cuts pretty well, good power. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Aug 12, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Ok Maybe I will swing for that one, but I still don't think the one time a year I would need it is worth it. So you like yours? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 50cc should be a powerful saw, its still a cheaply made cheapo. This is what I have: http://www.lowes.com/pd_498940-86886-445_0__?productId=50015946cm_mmc=search_google-_-Outdoor%20Power%20Equipment_RTC-_-Husqvarna_445-_-husqvarna%20445 and its the absolute minimum I'd ever consider. Consider for a moment the amount of time you've wasted on that cheap saw. You'd be ahead on money if you'd just bought a good saw from a real saw shop in the first place. My Husky is a mid-line Ford, your Poulin is a Yugo... -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:15:40 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 52095e8c.40...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Husky owns Poulan. So, doing some looking on lowes website, and no more than I will use the thing, I can't really justify spending an extra $100 or more to get the same size 18 husky. Looking at the reviews it seems these can also suffer the hard start. What I am thinking about though is taking this one back and spending an extra $30 for the 20 Poulan pro saw. It seems to have better reviews, so maybe it does not have the same problems and seems a little more heavy duty without spending more for the husky. This is what I have http://www.lowes.com/pd_182191-86886-PP4218A_4294747183__?productId=3693568Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1 this is what I am thinking about, not sure if any difference other than size but seems to have better reviews http://www.lowes.com/pd_353792-86886-PP5020_4294747183__?productId=3353618Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 25-30 years ago Poulan made good saws. I borrowed one when I first moved into the house, 20 bar, big profile chain, lots of power. Poulan is now all Wal-Mart quality. That's too bad. The Poulan we have I bought in 1981, 32 years ago. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My Husky has an interesting system where the choke is linked to the throttle. Start the saw with the choke on and it goes right to high idle, blip the throttle and it settles down. I had the carb out last year as the fuel hoses had softened and were collapsing under vacuum, its an interesting system with 2 throttle bodies. The second opens under high throttle. Apparently while the primary can carry enough fuel it can't get enough air in to not over richen at the top end so extra air has to be added. Must work good the saw has nice power (for only a 45cc motor) and doesn't smoke at all. Mitch had mentioned most saws having a catalyst. This one doesn't or it doesn't that I've found anyway and I've had the exhaust apart several times. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:50:30 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: a062408dfce2f1683fc39@[192.168.0.107] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed It seems to me you have a variable definition for flooded. To me flooded means theres more gas available than can be handled by the spark plug. A wet spark plug produces considerably less spark than a dry one so theres no starting. It seems you start by using flooded to mean primed but then change to flooded when you talk about holding full throttle to clear the extra fuel... My Husky has a primer bulb that I only use if the saw has been sitting a few weeks or more. If its been running recently I flip the choke and it'll start pretty easy. -Curt I mean too rich to run. I don't generally check to see if the spark plug is wet. With the choke out, it starts, and runs and dies before I can get to the choke to shove it in. TO me that is more flooded than primed. to me primed means there is adequate gasoline to the carb. But I hate gassers, so I really don't care how you want to define the terms. Gimme a Diesel! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You have the husky curt says he has? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 7:33 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I've got that one, it is hard to start too. Gotta hold he throttle open, prime or pump, pull several times, even when hot. First one the brake thingy broke but they gave me a new one. Lot of plastic. But it cuts pretty well, good power. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Aug 12, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Ok Maybe I will swing for that one, but I still don't think the one time a year I would need it is worth it. So you like yours? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 50cc should be a powerful saw, its still a cheaply made cheapo. This is what I have: http://www.lowes.com/pd_498940-86886-445_0__?productId=50015946cm_mmc=search_google-_-Outdoor%20Power%20Equipment_RTC-_-Husqvarna_445-_-husqvarna%20445 and its the absolute minimum I'd ever consider. Consider for a moment the amount of time you've wasted on that cheap saw. You'd be ahead on money if you'd just bought a good saw from a real saw shop in the first place. My Husky is a mid-line Ford, your Poulin is a Yugo... -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:15:40 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 52095e8c.40...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Husky owns Poulan. So, doing some looking on lowes website, and no more than I will use the thing, I can't really justify spending an extra $100 or more to get the same size 18 husky. Looking at the reviews it seems these can also suffer the hard start. What I am thinking about though is taking this one back and spending an extra $30 for the 20 Poulan pro saw. It seems to have better reviews, so maybe it does not have the same problems and seems a little more heavy duty without spending more for the husky. This is what I have http://www.lowes.com/pd_182191-86886-PP4218A_4294747183__?productId=3693568Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1 this is what I am thinking about, not sure if any difference other than size but seems to have better reviews http://www.lowes.com/pd_353792-86886-PP5020_4294747183__?productId=3353618Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So it sounds exactly like the poulan that I had then which I assume is the same as that 20 one I was looking at Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: My Husky has an interesting system where the choke is linked to the throttle. Start the saw with the choke on and it goes right to high idle, blip the throttle and it settles down. I had the carb out last year as the fuel hoses had softened and were collapsing under vacuum, its an interesting system with 2 throttle bodies. The second opens under high throttle. Apparently while the primary can carry enough fuel it can't get enough air in to not over richen at the top end so extra air has to be added. Must work good the saw has nice power (for only a 45cc motor) and doesn't smoke at all. Mitch had mentioned most saws having a catalyst. This one doesn't or it doesn't that I've found anyway and I've had the exhaust apart several times. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:50:30 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: a062408dfce2f1683fc39@[192.168.0.107] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed It seems to me you have a variable definition for flooded. To me flooded means theres more gas available than can be handled by the spark plug. A wet spark plug produces considerably less spark than a dry one so theres no starting. It seems you start by using flooded to mean primed but then change to flooded when you talk about holding full throttle to clear the extra fuel... My Husky has a primer bulb that I only use if the saw has been sitting a few weeks or more. If its been running recently I flip the choke and it'll start pretty easy. -Curt I mean too rich to run. I don't generally check to see if the spark plug is wet. With the choke out, it starts, and runs and dies before I can get to the choke to shove it in. TO me that is more flooded than primed. to me primed means there is adequate gasoline to the carb. But I hate gassers, so I really don't care how you want to define the terms. Gimme a Diesel! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Love it, best saw I've ever used. Light enough it doesn't pull your arms off but heavy enough it doesn't vibrate you to pieces, its got lots of anti-vibration built into it too. Starts easy, flip the choke lever up, crank it a few times it starts and goes to high idle, let it idle maybe 20 seconds, blip the throttle to release the choke and slow the idle. Let it warm up while I put on my helmet and gloves. If its real cold out I'll even let it run while I put on my chaps, then its ready to go. Consistently uses one tank of oil for each 2 tanks of gas. We've got a big old Echo at camp thats a lot more powerful but its a lot heavier too, I can cut more wood with the Husky. I really should have stepped up to the 450, at the time it was another $100, now I see its down to only $50-$60 more, its got a bigger engine and bigger chain but really the 445 does everything I need. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 19:25:00 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: fcf11b27-14d1-470b-b5ba-fbdeb5b4c...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok Maybe I will swing for that one, but I still don't think the one time a year I would need it is worth it. So you like yours? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 50cc should be a powerful saw, its still a cheaply made cheapo. This is what I have: http://www.lowes.com/pd_498940-86886-445_0__?productId=50015946cm_mmc=search_google-_-Outdoor%20Power%20Equipment_RTC-_-Husqvarna_445-_-husqvarna%20445 and its the absolute minimum I'd ever consider. Consider for a moment the amount of time you've wasted on that cheap saw. You'd be ahead on money if you'd just bought a good saw from a real saw shop in the first place. My Husky is a mid-line Ford, your Poulin is a Yugo... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dieselhead wrote: I don't know that for sure, so I defer to Mitch's expertise. I can't say that I ever flooded one, but the rental Huskq... concrete saws that would not run, they said were flooded after we took them back. But those have a choke, so I think maybe I got the different types mixed up. I think EPA made chokes disappear. Thus K'leb's problem... My old Husky 36 hates me. When I first bought it (used) I kept having to pull the plug out and dry it when I flooded it and fouled the plug. The dealer who sold it to me could start it with two or three pulls every time. Most saws, I choke them, pull the starter until they sputter, turn off the choke and they start on the next pull. The Husky floods without me ever hearing the sputter, so now it takes me a zillion pulls to start it cold because I'm afraid to leave the choke on long enough. Starts one pull with no choke when warm, just like all my other saws. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Something is wrong with yours, I bet I could go pull mine out and it'll start by the 5th pull, I haven't run it since Memorial day... Hot it'll start first pull every time. If mine started hard I'd take it back to the guy I bought it from and he'd fix it, or he would when it was new anyway. Thats why you buy from a saw shop as Mitch and I have been saying. Put a half ounce of seafoam gas additive in it and run a tank through and see how it goes. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:33:02 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 20c46317-aeea-4fdf-b583-57f599032...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've got that one, it is hard to start too. Gotta hold he throttle open, prime or pump, pull several times, even when hot. First one the brake thingy broke but they gave me a new one. Lot of plastic. But it cuts pretty well, good power. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Aug 12, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Ok Maybe I will swing for that one, but I still don't think the one time a year I would need it is worth it. So you like yours? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 50cc should be a powerful saw, its still a cheaply made cheapo. This is what I have: http://www.lowes.com/pd_498940-86886-445_0__?productId=50015946cm_mmc=search_google-_-Outdoor%20Power%20Equipment_RTC-_-Husqvarna_445-_-husqvarna%20445 and its the absolute minimum I'd ever consider. Consider for a moment the amount of time you've wasted on that cheap saw. You'd be ahead on money if you'd just bought a good saw from a real saw shop in the first place. My Husky is a mid-line Ford, your Poulin is a Yugo... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I thought about that, and I am sure they will, I would be willing to pay extra for a better saw. I thought these were made by Husquvarna though? I think the Woodshark and Wild Thing are pretty similar to the bottom end Huskies like the 235/240. But the Huskies might have plated cylinders and plain pistons where the Wild Thing has a chromed piston and a raw aluminum cylinder. My dad's five year old Wild Thing always ran fine, but I think it only has about two tanks of fuel through it in all that time. They should be a lifetime saw for somebody who only runs a saw fifty hours in their lifetime. Better consumer saws are probably good for 500+ hours, pro saws are expected to go 2000 hours between rebuilds. Full time cutters usually buy a new saw every year, keep the one year old for a spare, and use the two year old one for parts or sell it to a homeowner cutter. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So you've got a Poulan Pro 40cc and you're thinking about a PP 50cc? I'm don't know much about the 40cc, but generally the PPs have been decent homeowner saws. The 50cc actually seem to have a bit of a following. I thought you'd bought a $99 Poulan, like a Woodshark. http://www.arboristsite.com/chainsaw/192321.htm Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote: Wikipedia says Husky bought Poulan but Husky and Jonsered are both owned by Electrolux. Then Wiki is outdated. I don't remember details, but the Electrolux thing changed a few years ago. I think the Outdoor Power Equipment lines got spun off into their own company about time they bought Zenoah/Redmax, but I could be wrong about that part. BTW, I got an email from Menards today saying they've got a little Tanaka for $99. Used to be a good name in Japanese saws, like Shindaiwa or Redmax, but I don't know if that's changed. Tanakas, like Echo, were usually thought of as very durable but not the most powerful on the market. The $99 price is either a screaming bargain or the Chinese bought the Tanaka name while I wasn't looking. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I had the 42cc or whatever 18 and thinking about the 50cc 20, seems like a better saw, but curt says husky. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: So you've got a Poulan Pro 40cc and you're thinking about a PP 50cc? I'm don't know much about the 40cc, but generally the PPs have been decent homeowner saws. The 50cc actually seem to have a bit of a following. I thought you'd bought a $99 Poulan, like a Woodshark. http://www.arboristsite.com/chainsaw/192321.htm Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote: My Husky has an interesting system where the choke is linked to the throttle. Start the saw with the choke on and it goes right to high idle, blip the throttle and it settles down. I had the carb out last year as the fuel hoses had softened and were collapsing under vacuum, its an interesting system with 2 throttle bodies. The second opens under high throttle. Apparently while the primary can carry enough fuel it can't get enough air in to not over richen at the top end so extra air has to be added. Must work good the saw has nice power (for only a 45cc motor) and doesn't smoke at all. Mitch had mentioned most saws having a catalyst. This one doesn't or it doesn't that I've found anyway and I've had the exhaust apart several times. I think your 445 is stratified charge. The extra butterflies let clean air in early, which scavenges the cylinder, then a rich load goes in behind it. If all goes as intended, no fuel blows through the cylinder into the exhaust, HC emissions are much lower, and a tank of fuel lasts almost twice as long. The only strato saws I have are my 36cc John Deere badged Efco and my Ryobi (oops, Allan's Ryobi, gotta mail that out to him). The Ryobi is a rebadged Redmaz, the technology in it was the reason that Husky bought Redmax, needing a way to meet circa 2010 EPA regs. Now Stihl and Husky both sell saws with self tuning carbs with some kind of electronic feedback. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Buy this at Lowes and be done with it. http://www.husqvarna.com/us/products/chainsaws/455-rancher/ Go to a saw shop and get a real chain (or Baileys). That lawyer mandated, estrogen induced, feminized, metro-sexual, low kickback chain won't cut butter. You want to hang drapes, or cut wood? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
On my tiller the choke does not seal when closed. Starts only when I squirt some gas in the intake. On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I have tried with with full choke, half choke, no choke. On 8/9/2013 3:07 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: You are using the choke, right? These 2-stroke carbs require choking to suck fuel into the passages from the diaphragm chamber to the jets. You can flood it that way but if the fuel passages have drained (or boiled off) it will not start without choke. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@**okiebenz.commercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 3:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won I did, plug was dry, I was getting spark when cranked. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Pull the plug when that happens again and see if it is wet or dry and check to see if there is spark. Got to be either flooded, not getting fuel, or not getting spark. Randy On 08/08/2013 6:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Oh yea I pulled the cover and squirted a short squirt of either in the carb and it still did not start Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: On my 2-cycle things I squirt in a bunch of carb cleaner to loosen up the dried gunk (which appears very rapidly) that clogs the jets. The carb cleaner will usually fire it off but you might need a couple shots. Sometimes ether but that is probably not good as there is no oil in there, but it will get it started after 2-3 times. --R On 8/8/13 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 07/08/2013 6:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So back to the say, it is a POS. I went out to start it, have not ran it in a couple days. Wore myself pulling on the damn thing, it never started. I am going to take it to their nearest service provider I guess and tell them either to fix it or shove it up their ass. Try pulling off the filter cover and squirting a little gas into the carb intake. That should at least tell you if it is starving for fuel. I am guessing that is the most likely cause of hard starting. Did you check to see if it has spark? Maybe a new spark plug? Small engines like this are pretty basic. Randy __**_ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6558 - Release Date: 08/07/13 __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Pull the plug when that happens again and see if it is wet or dry and check to see if there is spark. Got to be either flooded, not getting fuel, or not getting spark. Randy On 08/08/2013 6:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Oh yea I pulled the cover and squirted a short squirt of either in the carb and it still did not start Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: On my 2-cycle things I squirt in a bunch of carb cleaner to loosen up the dried gunk (which appears very rapidly) that clogs the jets. The carb cleaner will usually fire it off but you might need a couple shots. Sometimes ether but that is probably not good as there is no oil in there, but it will get it started after 2-3 times. --R On 8/8/13 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 07/08/2013 6:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So back to the say, it is a POS. I went out to start it, have not ran it in a couple days. Wore myself pulling on the damn thing, it never started. I am going to take it to their nearest service provider I guess and tell them either to fix it or shove it up their ass. Try pulling off the filter cover and squirting a little gas into the carb intake. That should at least tell you if it is starving for fuel. I am guessing that is the most likely cause of hard starting. Did you check to see if it has spark? Maybe a new spark plug? Small engines like this are pretty basic. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
I did, plug was dry, I was getting spark when cranked. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Pull the plug when that happens again and see if it is wet or dry and check to see if there is spark. Got to be either flooded, not getting fuel, or not getting spark. Randy On 08/08/2013 6:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Oh yea I pulled the cover and squirted a short squirt of either in the carb and it still did not start Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: On my 2-cycle things I squirt in a bunch of carb cleaner to loosen up the dried gunk (which appears very rapidly) that clogs the jets. The carb cleaner will usually fire it off but you might need a couple shots. Sometimes ether but that is probably not good as there is no oil in there, but it will get it started after 2-3 times. --R On 8/8/13 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 07/08/2013 6:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So back to the say, it is a POS. I went out to start it, have not ran it in a couple days. Wore myself pulling on the damn thing, it never started. I am going to take it to their nearest service provider I guess and tell them either to fix it or shove it up their ass. Try pulling off the filter cover and squirting a little gas into the carb intake. That should at least tell you if it is starving for fuel. I am guessing that is the most likely cause of hard starting. Did you check to see if it has spark? Maybe a new spark plug? Small engines like this are pretty basic. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
On 09/08/2013 2:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I did, plug was dry, I was getting spark when cranked. Sent from my iPhone Ok, so we know it is starving for fuel. Now the question is why? Fuel pickup in the tank and hose to carb. Carb is probably also acting as the fuel pump via a diaphram etc. I assume this model does not have a primer bulb. Might try adjusting the screws in the carb as was suggested earlier, as a first attempt. Would not think the filter should be plugged or the pump dead so soon as I think I recall you saying this was a new saw. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Yes it's new. It does have a primer bulb, it says pump it 6 times warm or cold to start. I have tried pumping it 6 times, 20 times, no times make no difference when it gets to not wanting to start Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 09/08/2013 2:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I did, plug was dry, I was getting spark when cranked. Sent from my iPhone Ok, so we know it is starving for fuel. Now the question is why? Fuel pickup in the tank and hose to carb. Carb is probably also acting as the fuel pump via a diaphram etc. I assume this model does not have a primer bulb. Might try adjusting the screws in the carb as was suggested earlier, as a first attempt. Would not think the filter should be plugged or the pump dead so soon as I think I recall you saying this was a new saw. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
On 09/08/2013 2:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Yes it's new. It does have a primer bulb, it says pump it 6 times warm or cold to start. I have tried pumping it 6 times, 20 times, no times make no difference when it gets to not wanting to start Now we are getting somewhere. There is a problem with the primer system if you cannot pretty easily flood the thing with it. I have a similar issue with a weed eater. The hoses and primer bulb fell apart and I got a kit to replace them. Have not finished the job but need to so that I can use it again. I put the new primer bulb on but still need to swap the hoses. I would guess it should be possible to get a kit for the saw and put some new parts on that will hopefully solve your problem. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
You are using the choke, right? These 2-stroke carbs require choking to suck fuel into the passages from the diaphragm chamber to the jets. You can flood it that way but if the fuel passages have drained (or boiled off) it will not start without choke. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 3:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won I did, plug was dry, I was getting spark when cranked. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Pull the plug when that happens again and see if it is wet or dry and check to see if there is spark. Got to be either flooded, not getting fuel, or not getting spark. Randy On 08/08/2013 6:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Oh yea I pulled the cover and squirted a short squirt of either in the carb and it still did not start Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: On my 2-cycle things I squirt in a bunch of carb cleaner to loosen up the dried gunk (which appears very rapidly) that clogs the jets. The carb cleaner will usually fire it off but you might need a couple shots. Sometimes ether but that is probably not good as there is no oil in there, but it will get it started after 2-3 times. --R On 8/8/13 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 07/08/2013 6:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So back to the say, it is a POS. I went out to start it, have not ran it in a couple days. Wore myself pulling on the damn thing, it never started. I am going to take it to their nearest service provider I guess and tell them either to fix it or shove it up their ass. Try pulling off the filter cover and squirting a little gas into the carb intake. That should at least tell you if it is starving for fuel. I am guessing that is the most likely cause of hard starting. Did you check to see if it has spark? Maybe a new spark plug? Small engines like this are pretty basic. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
I've had some success with 2 stroke engines with fouled plugs by spraying the plug with brake cleaner to flush off the oil/carbon.. Then with the plug out and hooked up lay it in contact with the cylinder head and pull the engine through and watch the spark.. Good hot blue spark.. likely plug is good.. weak yellow spark.. something wrong with either the plug [fouled Beyond Economical Repair] or ignition system not right.. Spark, fuel, air, all required to run. Any one missing.. no start. Any one not in right ratio.. no start.. or poor running.. Grant... On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Pull the plug when that happens again and see if it is wet or dry and check to see if there is spark. Got to be either flooded, not getting fuel, or not getting spark. Randy On 08/08/2013 6:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Oh yea I pulled the cover and squirted a short squirt of either in the carb and it still did not start Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@** constructivity.net richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: On my 2-cycle things I squirt in a bunch of carb cleaner to loosen up the dried gunk (which appears very rapidly) that clogs the jets. The carb cleaner will usually fire it off but you might need a couple shots. Sometimes ether but that is probably not good as there is no oil in there, but it will get it started after 2-3 times. --R On 8/8/13 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 07/08/2013 6:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So back to the say, it is a POS. I went out to start it, have not ran it in a couple days. Wore myself pulling on the damn thing, it never started. I am going to take it to their nearest service provider I guess and tell them either to fix it or shove it up their ass. Try pulling off the filter cover and squirting a little gas into the carb intake. That should at least tell you if it is starving for fuel. I am guessing that is the most likely cause of hard starting. Did you check to see if it has spark? Maybe a new spark plug? Small engines like this are pretty basic. Randy __**_ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
I have tried with with full choke, half choke, no choke. On 8/9/2013 3:07 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: You are using the choke, right? These 2-stroke carbs require choking to suck fuel into the passages from the diaphragm chamber to the jets. You can flood it that way but if the fuel passages have drained (or boiled off) it will not start without choke. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 3:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won I did, plug was dry, I was getting spark when cranked. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Pull the plug when that happens again and see if it is wet or dry and check to see if there is spark. Got to be either flooded, not getting fuel, or not getting spark. Randy On 08/08/2013 6:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Oh yea I pulled the cover and squirted a short squirt of either in the carb and it still did not start Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: On my 2-cycle things I squirt in a bunch of carb cleaner to loosen up the dried gunk (which appears very rapidly) that clogs the jets. The carb cleaner will usually fire it off but you might need a couple shots. Sometimes ether but that is probably not good as there is no oil in there, but it will get it started after 2-3 times. --R On 8/8/13 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 07/08/2013 6:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So back to the say, it is a POS. I went out to start it, have not ran it in a couple days. Wore myself pulling on the damn thing, it never started. I am going to take it to their nearest service provider I guess and tell them either to fix it or shove it up their ass. Try pulling off the filter cover and squirting a little gas into the carb intake. That should at least tell you if it is starving for fuel. I am guessing that is the most likely cause of hard starting. Did you check to see if it has spark? Maybe a new spark plug? Small engines like this are pretty basic. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6558 - Release Date: 08/07/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was getting a nice blue spark when I did that On 8/9/2013 3:29 PM, G Mann wrote: I've had some success with 2 stroke engines with fouled plugs by spraying the plug with brake cleaner to flush off the oil/carbon.. Then with the plug out and hooked up lay it in contact with the cylinder head and pull the engine through and watch the spark.. Good hot blue spark.. likely plug is good.. weak yellow spark.. something wrong with either the plug [fouled Beyond Economical Repair] or ignition system not right.. Spark, fuel, air, all required to run. Any one missing.. no start. Any one not in right ratio.. no start.. or poor running.. Grant... On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Pull the plug when that happens again and see if it is wet or dry and check to see if there is spark. Got to be either flooded, not getting fuel, or not getting spark. Randy On 08/08/2013 6:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Oh yea I pulled the cover and squirted a short squirt of either in the carb and it still did not start Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@** constructivity.net richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: On my 2-cycle things I squirt in a bunch of carb cleaner to loosen up the dried gunk (which appears very rapidly) that clogs the jets. The carb cleaner will usually fire it off but you might need a couple shots. Sometimes ether but that is probably not good as there is no oil in there, but it will get it started after 2-3 times. --R On 8/8/13 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 07/08/2013 6:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So back to the say, it is a POS. I went out to start it, have not ran it in a couple days. Wore myself pulling on the damn thing, it never started. I am going to take it to their nearest service provider I guess and tell them either to fix it or shove it up their ass. Try pulling off the filter cover and squirting a little gas into the carb intake. That should at least tell you if it is starving for fuel. I am guessing that is the most likely cause of hard starting. Did you check to see if it has spark? Maybe a new spark plug? Small engines like this are pretty basic. Randy __**_ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6558 - Release Date: 08/07/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Reminds me: 'Bout 25 years ago, a black walnut tree had fallen across part of a rental house that I owned. I began cutting it in the upper limbs (now horizontal and near the ground, of course) with a small Homelite saw that would not run at idle - had to keep giving it short throttle spurts between cuts to keep it going. 'Had gotten most of the limbs fairly well done, but I had to get up on a stepladder to get one that I was unable to reach from the ground. As I was about finish the cut, I paused and studied the limb's fall a little more closely. My thoughts were something like this: If I don't make the finish cut fast enough, the limb will swing down, hit the ground on the outer end and swing against the ladder knocking me to the ground, but if I can cut fast enough, maybe I can make it fall nearly flat and stay away from the ladder. I continued the cutting - yep, you guessed it - the limb swung downward, hit on the outer end and then fell inward against the ladder. As I was falling and jumping backward off the ladder, I threw the saw way off the right at about 2 o'clock. As I was getting up, I realized that the saw was lying across the yard idling perfectly, and continued to do so henceforth. What it needed was a good throwing/tossing across the yard. Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won I have tried with with full choke, half choke, no choke. On 8/9/2013 3:07 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: You are using the choke, right? These 2-stroke carbs require choking to suck fuel into the passages from the diaphragm chamber to the jets. You can flood it that way but if the fuel passages have drained (or boiled off) it will not start without choke. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 3:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won I did, plug was dry, I was getting spark when cranked. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Pull the plug when that happens again and see if it is wet or dry and check to see if there is spark. Got to be either flooded, not getting fuel, or not getting spark. Randy On 08/08/2013 6:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Oh yea I pulled the cover and squirted a short squirt of either in the carb and it still did not start Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: On my 2-cycle things I squirt in a bunch of carb cleaner to loosen up the dried gunk (which appears very rapidly) that clogs the jets. The carb cleaner will usually fire it off but you might need a couple shots. Sometimes ether but that is probably not good as there is no oil in there, but it will get it started after 2-3 times. --R On 8/8/13 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 07/08/2013 6:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So back to the say, it is a POS. I went out to start it, have not ran it in a couple days. Wore myself pulling on the damn thing, it never started. I am going to take it to their nearest service provider I guess and tell them either to fix it or shove it up their ass. Try pulling off the filter cover and squirting a little gas into the carb intake. That should at least tell you if it is starving for fuel. I am guessing that is the most likely cause of hard starting. Did you check to see if it has spark? Maybe a new spark plug? Small engines like this are pretty basic. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6558 - Release Date: 08/07/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive
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Assuming you get fuel in the little primer bulb (many are clear and you can see there is fuel there) this sounds more and more like either a crudded-up carb from old fuel or a bad/misadjusted carb from the git go. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 6:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won I was getting a nice blue spark when I did that On 8/9/2013 3:29 PM, G Mann wrote: I've had some success with 2 stroke engines with fouled plugs by spraying the plug with brake cleaner to flush off the oil/carbon.. Then with the plug out and hooked up lay it in contact with the cylinder head and pull the engine through and watch the spark.. Good hot blue spark.. likely plug is good.. weak yellow spark.. something wrong with either the plug [fouled Beyond Economical Repair] or ignition system not right.. Spark, fuel, air, all required to run. Any one missing.. no start. Any one not in right ratio.. no start.. or poor running.. Grant... On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Pull the plug when that happens again and see if it is wet or dry and check to see if there is spark. Got to be either flooded, not getting fuel, or not getting spark. Randy On 08/08/2013 6:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Oh yea I pulled the cover and squirted a short squirt of either in the carb and it still did not start Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@** constructivity.net richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: On my 2-cycle things I squirt in a bunch of carb cleaner to loosen up the dried gunk (which appears very rapidly) that clogs the jets. The carb cleaner will usually fire it off but you might need a couple shots. Sometimes ether but that is probably not good as there is no oil in there, but it will get it started after 2-3 times. --R On 8/8/13 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 07/08/2013 6:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So back to the say, it is a POS. I went out to start it, have not ran it in a couple days. Wore myself pulling on the damn thing, it never started. I am going to take it to their nearest service provider I guess and tell them either to fix it or shove it up their ass. Try pulling off the filter cover and squirting a little gas into the carb intake. That should at least tell you if it is starving for fuel. I am guessing that is the most likely cause of hard starting. Did you check to see if it has spark? Maybe a new spark plug? Small engines like this are pretty basic. Randy __**_ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://m ail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6558 - Release Date: 08/07/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Yes it's new. It does have a primer bulb, it says pump it 6 times warm or cold to start. I have tried pumping it 6 times, 20 times, no times make no difference when it gets to not wanting to start The primer bulb sucks from a carb vent and pumps back to the tank. If it's sucking fuel, the carby should be full. You may just have a defective carby. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 19:05:39 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: As I was falling and jumping backward off the ladder, I threw the saw way off the right at about 2 o'clock. As I was getting up, I realized that the saw was lying across the yard idling perfectly, and continued to do so henceforth. What it needed was a good throwing/tossing across the yard. Good fix, Wilton! ATTABOY! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 07/08/2013 5:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Or take a dremel tool with a thin blade on it and cut a slot in the end of the adjuster and use a regular screw driver. Works just fine on my Poulan. Manfred Mitch Haley wrote: Wow, all the eBay sources seem to have dried up. Found a Zama double D for $24, which is about $19 more than I paid for my Homelite double D. Can't find the Husqvarna/Poulan splined ones anywhere. Sometimes you can jam a piece of tubing over the screw tight enough to turn it, especially with the splined ones. Mitch. Hey Randy! you'se guys have the same problem in the PR of Canada? I'd think up there if the gummit tried to gum up the chainsaws, the lumberjacks would take to sawin up the pols/regulators. (figuratively) I have to admit I had no idea that the carb adjustment on a chainsaw required some special tool. The last one I bought came from the USA via Lowes so I probably need to have a look. It is Husquvarna so no problem so far. Cuts like a banshee. I bought a set of the chaps in the hopes that I won't remove a leg if I slip! Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 07/08/2013 6:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So back to the say, it is a POS. I went out to start it, have not ran it in a couple days. Wore myself pulling on the damn thing, it never started. I am going to take it to their nearest service provider I guess and tell them either to fix it or shove it up their ass. Try pulling off the filter cover and squirting a little gas into the carb intake. That should at least tell you if it is starving for fuel. I am guessing that is the most likely cause of hard starting. Did you check to see if it has spark? Maybe a new spark plug? Small engines like this are pretty basic. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Try pulling off the filter cover and squirting a little gas into the carb intake. That should at least tell you if it is starving for fuel. I am guessing that is the most likely cause of hard starting. Did you check to see if it has spark? Maybe a new spark plug? Small engines like this are pretty basic. Randy air, fuel and spark, assuming it has compression. of course the air/fuel ratio and spark timing are crucial. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On my 2-cycle things I squirt in a bunch of carb cleaner to loosen up the dried gunk (which appears very rapidly) that clogs the jets. The carb cleaner will usually fire it off but you might need a couple shots. Sometimes ether but that is probably not good as there is no oil in there, but it will get it started after 2-3 times. --R On 8/8/13 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 07/08/2013 6:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So back to the say, it is a POS. I went out to start it, have not ran it in a couple days. Wore myself pulling on the damn thing, it never started. I am going to take it to their nearest service provider I guess and tell them either to fix it or shove it up their ass. Try pulling off the filter cover and squirting a little gas into the carb intake. That should at least tell you if it is starving for fuel. I am guessing that is the most likely cause of hard starting. Did you check to see if it has spark? Maybe a new spark plug? Small engines like this are pretty basic. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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--R wrote: ...but still have my Schwinn 10spd in the garage I bought in high school, trading in my Stingray i outgrew, which would be worth a fortune today. I used to assemble Stingray bikes at the Schwinn shop. And, I still ride my 1938 rear drop-out New Departure Chicago Schwinn balloon tire bicycle - maybe it's also work a fortune today... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I got the darn thing started today fished what I needed to clear to close the gate which was not much cutting at all, turned it off to Move the logs and could not get to start. Almost started the first attempt then that was it Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Try pulling off the filter cover and squirting a little gas into the carb intake. That should at least tell you if it is starving for fuel. I am guessing that is the most likely cause of hard starting. Did you check to see if it has spark? Maybe a new spark plug? Small engines like this are pretty basic. Randy air, fuel and spark, assuming it has compression. of course the air/fuel ratio and spark timing are crucial. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh yea I pulled the cover and squirted a short squirt of either in the carb and it still did not start Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: On my 2-cycle things I squirt in a bunch of carb cleaner to loosen up the dried gunk (which appears very rapidly) that clogs the jets. The carb cleaner will usually fire it off but you might need a couple shots. Sometimes ether but that is probably not good as there is no oil in there, but it will get it started after 2-3 times. --R On 8/8/13 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 07/08/2013 6:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So back to the say, it is a POS. I went out to start it, have not ran it in a couple days. Wore myself pulling on the damn thing, it never started. I am going to take it to their nearest service provider I guess and tell them either to fix it or shove it up their ass. Try pulling off the filter cover and squirting a little gas into the carb intake. That should at least tell you if it is starving for fuel. I am guessing that is the most likely cause of hard starting. Did you check to see if it has spark? Maybe a new spark plug? Small engines like this are pretty basic. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Oh yea I pulled the cover and squirted a short squirt of either in the carb and it still did not start Might have a weak coil that dies when hot? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I expect they'll just replace the carburetor unless there is significant damage to the piston/rings/cylinder. These can be rebuilt but cheaper to replace given US labor rates. Two rules for 2-cycle engines (1) don't use gas, and (2) agitate the fuel-oil mix before you fill or start the engine. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won So back to the say, it is a POS. I went out to start it, have not ran it in a couple days. Wore myself pulling on the damn thing, it never started. I am going to take it to their nearest service provider I guess and tell them either to fix it or shove it up their ass. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you have tools handy when this happens, unscrew the spark plug. Is it wet or dry? If dry you are probably not getting fuel. If wet, try cleaning any carbon with a paper towel and blow dry (compressed air if available) or air dry. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 7:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won I got the darn thing started today fished what I needed to clear to close the gate which was not much cutting at all, turned it off to Move the logs and could not get to start. Almost started the first attempt then that was it Sent from my iPhone es_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or a Husky or Echo or any semi-pro saw sold at a real saw shop. The cheap homeowner saws are junk and you get zero support. My Dad is hilarious, he made fun of me for buying my Husky. In our family you don't buy a saw, you wait awhile and somebody gives you one. The thing is the ones you get given are never very good. After I bought the Husky he bought a Poulin like Kaleb's and has had about the same results although he paid a lot less. He now admits my Husky is a good saw. -Curt Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 14:29:17 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: CACnCPhk7zfq-QoVi3QnFKN3X0DCS-vAmKk=8h=bzi55bh0j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'd just get a Stihl. They just work. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually yours is pretty much the same story as Kaleb's. There is pretty much no QA on most anything brought over from China. A great manufacturer recognizes that they periodically made a dud and it doesn't take many duds to ruin a reputation. So they pick one out of a hundred (or whatever) and test it until it fails to prove they're making good stuff. A rotten manufacturer decides we've got enough safeguards in our process that we CAN'T make bad stuff so we don't need to test. At which point a bad run of product is almost inevitable. I went through this in 2004 when a run of boards my employer had had made turned up to be 50% bad. That is to say we had a 50% DOA rate which is completely unacceptable and unsupportable. For us in support it was an absolute nightmare as replacement boards had the same 50% DOA rate so we had to specify boards from the repair center. Then the repair center found they couldn't fix the DOA boards, they were so bad, so we quickly ran out of good boards. The manufacturer closed down for retooling and we were stuck for 6 months... I suspect if you disassembled both engines you'd find the good one meets closer tolerances. Probably something like the timing ring or a valve stem is off by a couple thou, not enough that you'd notice in casual inspection but enough to kill cold starts. -Curt Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:07:40 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 5201659c.8070...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed A bit of a different story as I am going to comment on 2 f4 stroke clones of Honda engines. One has been amazing. We have it on a wood splitter out at the lake. The very first time I tried to start it, I had just bolted it on and filled it with oil and gas. I pulled the cord and it started on the first pull. A year or more later, I pulled the tarp off and the same thing happened. It started immediately with no fresh gas etc. On the other hand, I have new (or at least I bought it new a couple of years ago) pressure washer. It has never started well. If I pop off the cover on the air cleaner and squirt some gas in, it will fire up. If I don't do that, it will not start when cold. Very similar looking engines. I have no real idea why one is great and the other is a pain. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. I think it was on here somebody told a good anecdote where an American car maker paired up with an Asian one and learned about strict quality control... -Curt Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:53:27 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 52017057.9050...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I think it is called good engineering. Although, Honda has the odd dud too. I just got off the phone with a client who was telling me his uncle stopped by with a brand spanking new Honda Accord. When his uncle tried to leave, the car would not start. The starter whirrs but it does not turn over the engine. Better than that, he has been told he will have to wait a few days as they have no parts for the new cars in stock. I suggested he tell them he wants them to pull one from a new car on the lot in order to get him moving again. Randy On 06/08/2013 4:41 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I'm still trying to figure out how Honda makes my lawn mower start on the first pull every time. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. I think it was on here somebody told a good anecdote where an American car maker paired up with an Asian one and learned about strict quality control... -Curt That is the frod madza transmission story. Two well-publicized examples in practice have given credence to this theory. In one case, Ford and Mazda were producing identical transmission components in the United States and Japan using the same blueprints, equip- ment, and processes. The Ford assemblies were experiencing a higher rate of field failures. Upon examining the critical dimensions produced by the Ford plant, all were found to be within acceptable tolerances. However, upon exam- ining the Mazda-built components, nearly all were precisely on target with almost no variation within the allowable tolerance. The explanation is that in mechanical assemblies, excessive variation from design targets causes prema- ture wear, eventually resulting in early field failure. A second example was published in the Japanese newspaper Ashai com- paring the warranty cost differences of Sony televisions at a Japanese and San Diego plant. A critical product characteristic is color density. For this charac- teristic, all units produced at the San Diego plant were within the design toler-ance, while a small proportion of those shipped from the Japanese plant were not. However, the average loss per unit from the San Diego plant was $.89 larger than that of the Japanese plant. It was discovered that units out of speci- fication were adjusted at the San Diego plant (adding more cost to the pro- cess), but rarely to the target value. In the Japanese plant, the color density of the vast majority of units were produced close to the target value (see Exhibit 1-3). The further the color density was from the target value, the more likely customers will complain and require an adjustment (adding to warranty costs). From Exhibit 1-3 it is clear that the U.S.-made units required significantly more warranty adjustments than the Japanese-made counterparts. The chair- man of Sony explained the difference this way (Sullivan, 1984): When we tell one of our Japanese employees that the measurement of a certain part must be within a tolerance of plus or minus five, for example, he will auto- matically strive to get that part as close to zero tolerance as possible. When we started our plant in the United States, we found that workers would follow in- structions perfectly. But if we said make it between plus or minus five, they would get it somewhere near plus or minus five all right, but rarely as close to zero as the Japanese workers did. The reduction of variation is the cornerstone of the Deming philosophy. As variation decreases, so will costs, resulting in higher levels of profit and con- sumer satisfaction. First source I stumbled over: http://www.flexstudy.com/catalog/schpdf.cfm?coursenum=9529a Bottom half of page 10. Basic quality 101 stuff. Unfortunately more people know the names of 20 (c)rappers than know quality 101. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ford and Mazda. Started with the second generation Escort in 1990. I bought one of the first ones in Wisconsin. Excellent car. Dan On Aug 7, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. I think it was on here somebody told a good anecdote where an American car maker paired up with an Asian one and learned about strict quality control... -Curt Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:53:27 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 52017057.9050...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I think it is called good engineering. Although, Honda has the odd dud too. I just got off the phone with a client who was telling me his uncle stopped by with a brand spanking new Honda Accord. When his uncle tried to leave, the car would not start. The starter whirrs but it does not turn over the engine. Better than that, he has been told he will have to wait a few days as they have no parts for the new cars in stock. I suggested he tell them he wants them to pull one from a new car on the lot in order to get him moving again. Randy On 06/08/2013 4:41 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I'm still trying to figure out how Honda makes my lawn mower start on the first pull every time. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I tried that. It will act like it wants to start then dies out again. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: This thing has to be vapor locking. Next time it dies, take off the fuel cap and put it back on. Might have a pinched tank vent hose. Mitch. If there is a good saw shop in the area that will work on poulan, pay them to fix it. Otherwise try taking it back where you got it. You have nothing to lose at this point. In defense of poulan, i have a couple of them, and they start and run well. One is at daughter's house for hurricane duty and beating back the jungle. The other is in as Curt would say Camp and it is used for occasional dead trees etc. The only problem I have had is the fuel pickup hose rotting away, and that is with only 100% gasoline, or at least what is sold now as crappy 100% gasoline. So, no it is not caused by ethanol. It is caused by the crap they sell as gasoline now. The last hose I got lasted only 1-2 years. that is bad. The saw has to be partially taken apart to change the flippin hose. +1 for stihl. My little Stihl 015 is 30 years old and never had a problem. But I dump out gas and run it out before I put it away. I have used it for cutting trees over 26 dia with its little 12 bar. This is the saw I prefer for most things. The biggest problem with gas engines is crappy gasoline. The problems are exaserbated in small engines. +1 for Where's the Diesel chain saws? +1 for a Diesel BMW R75 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. -Curt Just about the time they also decided that they could ship it all to Mexico and China and continue to make 'quality' products. Richard ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The great irony here is that the Japanese learned quality management from the US after WWII (Google: W. Edwards Demming). The US developed/used these quality approaches for the massive WWII war production. The ironic part is that US industry then blew off all these quality lessons after the war and focused on just making money, which wasn't hard for the only surviving industrial base in the world. That came to a grinding halt when the Japanese (using quality methods learned from us) became the world leader for quality back in the 80s and 90s. We older folks recall the 50s and 60s when made in Japan meant junk. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 10:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. I think it was on here somebody told a good anecdote where an American car maker paired up with an Asian one and learned about strict quality control... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The great irony here is that the Japanese learned quality management from the US after WWII (Google: W. Edwards Demming). The US developed/used these quality approaches for the massive WWII war production. The ironic part is that US industry then blew off all these quality lessons after the war and focused on just making money, which wasn't hard for the only surviving industrial base in the world. That came to a grinding halt when the Japanese (using quality methods learned from us) became the world leader for quality back in the 80s and 90s. We older folks recall the 50s and 60s when made in Japan meant junk. Hear Hear! (visualize Ben Franklin stomping his cane on the floor.) (ASQ Senior member) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 07/08/2013 12:08 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: The great irony here is that the Japanese learned quality management from the US after WWII (Google: W. Edwards Demming). The US developed/used these quality approaches for the massive WWII war production. The ironic part is that US industry then blew off all these quality lessons after the war and focused on just making money, which wasn't hard for the only surviving industrial base in the world. That came to a grinding halt when the Japanese (using quality methods learned from us) became the world leader for quality back in the 80s and 90s. We older folks recall the 50s and 60s when made in Japan meant junk. Don't think your timing is correct. The small Japanese motor bikes in the mid 60's were great. Maybe other Japanese products were not as good but they were well on their way to sorting out any problems by the mid 60's. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dieselhead wrote: +1 for Where's the Diesel chain saws? It's old and underpowered. Comet A or Comet B, or a Jonsered XA. A couple youtube videos of them. From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAUjEsgPXJI From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXR3ZOPlRys --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tut tut sir, American cars (which is a mis-nomer but lets stick with it, I obviously mean the big 3) are of comparable, some would even say higher, quality to the Asian brands right now. In particular Honda and Toyota are in a bit of trouble lately. I wonder if maybe they've gotten bit by the same bug that caught Mercedes 20 years ago? When it comes to rental cars lately I prefer American, specifically Ford if it comes right down to it. -Curt Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:45:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 1375890327.46902.yahoomail...@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. -Curt Just about the time they also decided that they could ship it all to Mexico and China and continue to make 'quality' products. Richard ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tut tut sir, American cars (which is a mis-nomer but lets stick with it, I obviously mean the big 3) are of comparable, some would even say higher, quality to the Asian brands right now. In particular Honda and Toyota are in a bit of trouble lately. I wonder if maybe they've gotten bit by the same bug that caught Mercedes 20 years ago? When it comes to rental cars lately I prefer American, specifically Ford if it comes right down to it. -Curt I agree. Dollar fer dollar, frods or dogde cars are a good buy. The impala also fits there, and maye some other GM stuff. I'd be hard pressed to justify buying a post 92 MB on any grounds other than safety. In p'ups, I think I'd buy GM in gas, and GM or Dogde in dissel. Frod in gas is ok, but nothing exciting to me. It depends a lot on the intended usage. In service life, I think the cummins diesel wins. Being a inline 6, it wins out of the gate, and I think over the long haul too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When I left the automotive industry in 2005, we were a second tier producer for VW, GM, and Ford. In a nutshell, VW had a QC manager assigned to our plant. We all knew his name, he walked at free will anywhere in the plant he wished ( maybe personnel was off limits, don't know ), and was present in any meetings that had to do with VW. I knew who the Ford guy was by facial recognition, because he was there about once a quarter. I never saw a GM quality representative in the plant in my employment time. We didn't do any Chrysler business, that was all in another plant. They had fair coverage from customer QC. The obvious point is that GM didn't worry about quality as much as VW. I'm not interested in buying VW anytime in this pass thru, but I will buy Ford if the deal is right. I'm OK with Chrysler, my wife drives one. I will never, under any circumstances, buy another GM vehicle in my lifetime. There are other reasons, but the above facts sealed the deal. I cannot afford a new Mercedes, and I normally buy new. So my next vehicle will be either Toyota or Honda. I still don't believe the USA has it right, and as long as labor unions control the auto industry I don't think it will get any better. Richard From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Tut tut sir, American cars (which is a mis-nomer but lets stick with it, I obviously mean the big 3) are of comparable, some would even say higher, quality to the Asian brands right now. In particular Honda and Toyota are in a bit of trouble lately. I wonder if maybe they've gotten bit by the same bug that caught Mercedes 20 years ago? When it comes to rental cars lately I prefer American, specifically Ford if it comes right down to it. -Curt Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:45:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 1375890327.46902.yahoomail...@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. -Curt Just about the time they also decided that they could ship it all to Mexico and China and continue to make 'quality' products. Richard ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Japan sold a lot of cheap consumer goods; toys, notions, etc; during the 1930s; house slippers with paper soles, for example; such that made in Japan was synonymous with junk. This continued after WW-2 until Japan set up an agency that tested export goods and would not issue an export licence unless the products met fairly high standards. That was the beginning of Japans reputation for quality products and its export success. Gerry.who bought the Japanese stuff at the five and dime stores during the '30s. From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com The great irony here is that the Japanese learned quality management from the US after WWII (Google: W. Edwards Demming). The US developed/used these quality approaches for the massive WWII war production. The ironic part is that US industry then blew off all these quality lessons after the war and focused on just making money, which wasn't hard for the only surviving industrial base in the world. That came to a grinding halt when the Japanese (using quality methods learned from us) became the world leader for quality back in the 80s and 90s. We older folks recall the 50s and 60s when made in Japan meant junk. Hear Hear! (visualize Ben Franklin stomping his cane on the floor.) (ASQ Senior member) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i learned about jap goods in the late 70s. as young people, we mostly got around by bicycle. our dads maybe or may not have had a car but dads worked 15 hours a day, so they weren't going to be driving us around. moms did not drive for the most part. our main mode of personal transportation was the bicycle and our local bicycle shop was owned by a man who went by the name of buddy. like all good bike dealers back then, buddy was a schwinn dealer. the bike to get was the schwinn varsity or something even nicer. problem was the varsity was like $169, which was big money for us. so buddy would show us his japanese bikes, fujis and panasonics, which were $120 and told us that they were as good or better than schwinns at double the price. we trusted buddy and felt that going to a discount store for something cheaper would not work out, so while we felt his claim to be just as good as a higher line schwinn 10 speed was so much salesman hype, we got together the money and ended up on japanese 12 speed bicycles. they were GREAT bikes. i see people riding them to this day and i never see anyone on a schwinn varsity today. for me, japanese good from japanese companies are the best there is, although i'm developing some very warm feelings towards korea and taiwan as well. as for the PRC, i see no hope and no future for their product. just crap product for the super stupid and i fear it always will be On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Japan sold a lot of cheap consumer goods; toys, notions, etc; during the 1930s; house slippers with paper soles, for example; such that made in Japan was synonymous with junk. This continued after WW-2 until Japan set up an agency that tested export goods and would not issue an export licence unless the products met fairly high standards. That was the beginning of Japans reputation for quality products and its export success. Gerry.who bought the Japanese stuff at the five and dime stores during the '30s. From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com The great irony here is that the Japanese learned quality management from the US after WWII (Google: W. Edwards Demming). The US developed/used these quality approaches for the massive WWII war production. The ironic part is that US industry then blew off all these quality lessons after the war and focused on just making money, which wasn't hard for the only surviving industrial base in the world. That came to a grinding halt when the Japanese (using quality methods learned from us) became the world leader for quality back in the 80s and 90s. We older folks recall the 50s and 60s when made in Japan meant junk. Hear Hear! (visualize Ben Franklin stomping his cane on the floor.) (ASQ Senior member) __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The W140 is a very well built car if you can get past the wiring harness and evaporator. If those are done the car is pretty much bulletproof in my opinion. Consider that these were near $100k cars in their day and you'll understand the design and engineering. You can find very nice examples for well under $10k that have plenty of miles left in them. The build quality is excellent and save the two issues mentioned previously they don't have any real issues as far as upkeep and longevity. I hear a lot from the W140 people who are looking to move into newer models that anything later is plasticky and cheaply designed. Dan On Aug 7, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Tut tut sir, American cars (which is a mis-nomer but lets stick with it, I obviously mean the big 3) are of comparable, some would even say higher, quality to the Asian brands right now. In particular Honda and Toyota are in a bit of trouble lately. I wonder if maybe they've gotten bit by the same bug that caught Mercedes 20 years ago? When it comes to rental cars lately I prefer American, specifically Ford if it comes right down to it. -Curt I agree. Dollar fer dollar, frods or dogde cars are a good buy. The impala also fits there, and maye some other GM stuff. I'd be hard pressed to justify buying a post 92 MB on any grounds other than safety. In p'ups, I think I'd buy GM in gas, and GM or Dogde in dissel. Frod in gas is ok, but nothing exciting to me. It depends a lot on the intended usage. In service life, I think the cummins diesel wins. Being a inline 6, it wins out of the gate, and I think over the long haul too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We have a Mazda6 purchased new in 2005 that has around 120k on it. Damned reliable car and very inexpensive to maintain. Both of the Ford Focus' we have/had are great cars. 170k and still going strong with minimal maintenance. I would recommend either brand (they're pretty much the same any more.) Dan On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: When I left the automotive industry in 2005, we were a second tier producer for VW, GM, and Ford. In a nutshell, VW had a QC manager assigned to our plant. We all knew his name, he walked at free will anywhere in the plant he wished ( maybe personnel was off limits, don't know ), and was present in any meetings that had to do with VW. I knew who the Ford guy was by facial recognition, because he was there about once a quarter. I never saw a GM quality representative in the plant in my employment time. We didn't do any Chrysler business, that was all in another plant. They had fair coverage from customer QC. The obvious point is that GM didn't worry about quality as much as VW. I'm not interested in buying VW anytime in this pass thru, but I will buy Ford if the deal is right. I'm OK with Chrysler, my wife drives one. I will never, under any circumstances, buy another GM vehicle in my lifetime. There are other reasons, but the above facts sealed the deal. I cannot afford a new Mercedes, and I normally buy new. So my next vehicle will be either Toyota or Honda. I still don't believe the USA has it right, and as long as labor unions control the auto industry I don't think it will get any better. Richard From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Tut tut sir, American cars (which is a mis-nomer but lets stick with it, I obviously mean the big 3) are of comparable, some would even say higher, quality to the Asian brands right now. In particular Honda and Toyota are in a bit of trouble lately. I wonder if maybe they've gotten bit by the same bug that caught Mercedes 20 years ago? When it comes to rental cars lately I prefer American, specifically Ford if it comes right down to it. -Curt Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:45:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 1375890327.46902.yahoomail...@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. -Curt Just about the time they also decided that they could ship it all to Mexico and China and continue to make 'quality' products. Richard ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: for me, japanese good from japanese companies are the best there is, although i'm developing some very warm feelings towards korea and taiwan as well. Correctly so. If you ever shop at Harbor Freight, the quality on any tools made in Taiwan is outstanding. Notably their ratchets. The have an excellent feel. It is as hard to find anything made in Japan as it is to find made in USA these days. The jury is still out on Products made in India. I perceive them to be pretty much junk, with an occasional winner here or there. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or take a dremel tool with a thin blade on it and cut a slot in the end of the adjuster and use a regular screw driver. Works just fine on my Poulan. Manfred Mitch Haley wrote: Wow, all the eBay sources seem to have dried up. Found a Zama double D for $24, which is about $19 more than I paid for my Homelite double D. Can't find the Husqvarna/Poulan splined ones anywhere. Sometimes you can jam a piece of tubing over the screw tight enough to turn it, especially with the splined ones. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You could buy one here http://www.lilredbarn.net/product-p/530035560.htm Manfred Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So I was at the lawn mower parts store today to get a belt for my mower and asked if they has those special adjustment screw drivers. EPA won't let then sell them ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com