Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:50 AM, Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: --- Thanks, Ed. Do the refurb machines come with any version of OS-X? Are Mac OS's restricted for use on one machine like MS OS's are? Gerry Gerry, A *refurbished* machine from Apple, or an Apple licensed distributor is going to come with an OS, and most likely a single disc install set. A used machine is a situation that you have to ask. It may or may not come with OS, may or may not come with a disc. The *license* of the Mac OS states that you may only install the OS on a single machine at a time per purchased license. However, unlike Microsoft, there are no install keys for the *Client* OS and as such, you can install it as many times as needed. Just be aware that you are not in compliance with the license you agreed to, etc, etc. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090118/2bd66c02/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Isn't it Puma/Cheetah? Wasn't Puma the beta and Cheetah 10.1? 10.2 = Jaguar, the first usable OS X 10.3 = Panther, 10.2 but faster 10.4 = Tiger 10.5 = Leopard, the above but slower 10.6 = (purportedly) Snow Leopard Actually, the Public Beta is the odd animal out. Beta - Kodiak 10.0 - Cheetah 10.1 - Puma 10.2 - Jaguar etc EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090118/ded76bf4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Thanks, Ed. Do the refurb machines come with any version of OS-X? Are Mac OS's restricted for use on one machine like MS OS's are? Gerry Gerry, A *refurbished* machine from Apple, or an Apple licensed distributor is going to come with an OS, and most likely a single disc install set. A used machine is a situation that you have to ask. It may or may not come with OS, may or may not come with a disc. The *license* of the Mac OS states that you may only install the OS on a single machine at a time per purchased license. However, unlike Microsoft, there are no install keys for the *Client* OS and as such, you can install it as many times as needed. Just be aware that you are not in compliance with the license you agreed to, etc, etc. EdB __ Not having to fiddle with a key is big plus. Had to go round and round with Dell because they sent me the wrong disc and the wrong key. Getting an OS with a refurb machine is also a plus IMO. Just happened to think that my son-in-laws good friend and regular fishing buddy has a good sized business of salvaging used computers from businesses and institutions. Since Macs are not a are large part of the installed computer base, he probably doesn't get too many Macs; but it might be worth checking with him. I know that he does salvage and sell some usable PCs. Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1899 - Release Date: 1/17/2009 5:50 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
There's instructions online to adapt an ATX power supply. I did it once, and it works well... I think it was just switching two wires or something. Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: Ahhh the red tape... The company is so sure I'm trying to steal that lovely 6 year old machine with no powersupply (apparently the MDD powersupply is a known weak point) that instead of letting an employee have something like that they'll PAY to have it disposed of... Genius. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Right now I have an old sawtooth G4. Really could be happier with a nice Mac with a faster bus speed. A Sawtooth I bought new in 1999 is my computer of choice for any kind of creative work (web design, Photoshop, light video and audio editing). It's been upgraded within an inch of its life, though. Originally was a 450 MHz G4, 128 Mb of RAM, Rage 64 graphics (if even that---some kind of low end ATI card at any rate), running OS 9.1. Now has a 1.2 GHz G4 processor daughtercard, Radeon 9800 graphics, max RAM of 2 Gb, and OS X Tiger of course. I'm about to cross the final frontier by putting in a new 1 Tb hard drive and a PCI SATA card to drive it. If it seems too slow after that, I guess it's time for a new machine---the only limiting factor left is the bus and you can't upgrade that! (Not as expensive an experiment as it sounds, since I'm sure I can resell the SATA card on eBay and the hard drive can go into an AMD Linux box I'm building). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Thanks. I'm slowly beginning to get a handle on all the different type of Macs. Might just go the refurb route since they aren't a whole lot more expensive than plain used. Will probably order first of next month. Question: From what I understand Leopard is the latest OS. Should I order that as well or will the installed OS be satisfactory for what I want to do? Gerry Actually, and I don't think it has been mentioned yet, but if the refurb/used Intel you buy does *not* already come with a Leopard install DVD, wait about 3-6 months. OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) will be out soon. The rumor is that 10.6 will be 10.5 (Leopard) with all Power PC (G3, G4, G5) code removed to fully optimize it for the Intel processor. Since you are unfamiliar with Macs, the main drive for that rumor is the fact that 10.6 is still a Leopard system. All OS X systems have been a big cat, but a different big cat with each major revision. Puma, Cheetah, Panther, Tiger and Leopard. So the fact that it is a Snow Leopard instead of Lion or something is driving the Mac fanbase to believe that it is not as major a revision as any of the others. Any of the Intel Macs will be a great machine for you, and, if you simply can not come to love the Mac OS, the Intel Macs will also run Linux and Windows. EdB --- Thanks, Ed. Do the refurb machines come with any version of OS-X? Are Mac OS's restricted for use on one machine like MS OS's are? Gerry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release Date: 1/14/2009 6:59 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Isn't it Puma/Cheetah? Wasn't Puma the beta and Cheetah 10.1? 10.2 = Jaguar, the first usable OS X 10.3 = Panther, 10.2 but faster 10.4 = Tiger 10.5 = Leopard, the above but slower 10.6 = (purportedly) Snow Leopard A check of eBay shows the G3 iMacs are SERIOUSLY cheap like a 600Mhz/265MB/40GB for $10+shipping cheap. That comes without an OS. The 10.3 disk set looks to be surprisingly expensive, ~$50 lets say. Of course with a wink and a nod there are folks on the list who can obtain copies for you... Hmm, I've been looking for a torrent machine, one of these might fit the bill. -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:03:02 -0500 From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 446c86e30901141503k1e9f0ea2pe04d99ec36e1f...@mail.gmail.com All OS X systems have been a big cat, but a different big cat with each major revision. Puma, Cheetah, Panther, Tiger and Leopard. So the fact that it is a Snow Leopard instead of Lion or something is driving the Mac fanbase to believe that it is not as major a revision as any of the others. EdB -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090115/bf91185c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: A check of eBay shows the G3 iMacs are SERIOUSLY cheap like a 600Mhz/265MB/40GB for $10+shipping cheap. That comes without an OS. The 10.3 disk set looks to be surprisingly expensive, ~$50 lets say. You could always run OpenBSD or some other OS on the hardware, if you're not particularly interested in Mac OS X. Apple hardware tends to be pretty good, for consumer-grade stuff. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Leopard kills you airport, so unless it is the OS that came with your machine, avoid it. Could be that it just hates airport (wi-fi) on the non intel chips clay On Jan 14, 2009, at 11:26 AM, tyler wrote: Leopard is more bloated with useless features and fancy graphics effects, but it's also much more optimized for intel macs. I think it runs noticeably faster than Tiger on my intel macbook laptop, but noticeably slower than Tiger on my old PowerMac G4 desktop. I'd stay with Tiger on a PowerPC, but go with Leopard on Intel personally... Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: Leopard (10.5) is a dog, nearest thing to Vista the Mac OS has had in a long time... OS 10.4 (Tiger) is pretty great. Really anything 10.3 (Panther) and later should be totally adequate for a casual user. 10.2 (Jaguar) was fine but 10.3 is faster... OS 9 I don't even want to think about anymore. -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:41:13 -0500 From: Archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: d91c5c66c8a04c7696d7bf64d3ebb...@billardef4d8b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed Thanks. I'm slowly beginning to get a handle on all the different type of Macs. Might just go the refurb route since they aren't a whole lot more expensive than plain used. Will probably order first of next month. Question: From what I understand Lepard is the latest OS. Should I order that as well or will the installed OS be satisfactory for what I want to do? Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090114/c5df9195/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Curt, I could be enticed to give the MDD a good home. Right now I have an old sawtooth G4. Really could be happier with a nice Mac with a faster bus speed. Even gladly pay shipping and all sorts of fees clay On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Know your mac: http://www.everymac.com/ Some support older OSs than others... The newest Intel Macs, those being sold today for instance, ONLY support 10.5... Its unfortunate, I've got a perfectly good BW G3 and an MDD G4 on a table in my classroom being decomissioned. The company will get a scrap buyer in to take them. If they're lucky they'll get repurposed or resold or something, if not At one point I'd have smuggled them home but I've got plenty of junk hanging around already. -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:50:08 -0500 From: Archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: a29e90cffc4044f3a976b55c56f14...@billardef4d8b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed From: Curt Raymond Leopard (10.5) is a dog, nearest thing to Vista the Mac OS has had in a long time... OS 10.4 (Tiger) is pretty great. Really anything 10.3 (Panther) and later should be totally adequate for a casual user. 10.2 (Jaguar) was fine but 10.3 is faster... OS 9 I don't even want to think about anymore. -Curt - Thanks, Curt, just what I wanted to know. Gerry -- next part -- -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090114/406c0ccc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Ahhh the red tape... The company is so sure I'm trying to steal that lovely 6 year old machine with no powersupply (apparently the MDD powersupply is a known weak point) that instead of letting an employee have something like that they'll PAY to have it disposed of... Genius. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:49:03 -0800 From: Redghost redgh...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 56ef93df-5ae7-4b6b-8826-e23e5fef9...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Curt, I could be enticed to give the MDD a good home. Right now I have an old sawtooth G4. Really could be happier with a nice Mac with a faster bus speed. Even gladly pay shipping and all sorts of fees clay -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090115/5db84df0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
That is what happens around here too. I find that the Mac Faithful love them so much, even a non functional G3 will go for $100 at auction. Local Univ is dumping them at surplus store for pennies though. Waited in line two hours in the rain for opportunity to get one. First in line, but one of the faithful scrambled past me as I was headed to pick it out and snagged it. Dual 867 MDD sold for $85, but at auction would have gotten $400. clay On Jan 15, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Ahhh the red tape... The company is so sure I'm trying to steal that lovely 6 year old machine with no powersupply (apparently the MDD powersupply is a known weak point) that instead of letting an employee have something like that they'll PAY to have it disposed of... Genius. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:49:03 -0800 From: Redghost redgh...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 56ef93df-5ae7-4b6b-8826-e23e5fef9...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Curt, I could be enticed to give the MDD a good home. Right now I have an old sawtooth G4. Really could be happier with a nice Mac with a faster bus speed. Even gladly pay shipping and all sorts of fees clay -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090115/5db84df0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:30 AM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Thanks, Gerry http://www.lowendmac.com Click Deals at the top. Low End runs a script against the largest Mac resellers once a week and then posts the prices for the resulting products. EdB --- Thanks, Ed. Really like that website. It lists them all. Gerry -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090113/887bc688/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1891 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 8:17 AM -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1891 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 8:17 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Any Mac powerbook G4 or better will do all that just fine. If you want to be able to keep running the OS upgrades as they come out, any G4 or G5 is probably near the end of support for that, so look at an Intel-based one. I'm using a 1Ghz PowerBook G4 with 768 MB RAM, and it does everything I need with perfectly satisfactory performance. Allan 1983 300D Hi Alan, You wrote: any G4 or G5 is probably near the end of support for that, so look at an Intel-based one. Which models laptops or desktops would be intel based? I'm looking at: http://www.lowendmac.com which has about every model listed along with the prices various resellers charge. Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1891 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 8:17 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Archer arche...@embarqmail.com said: Hi Alan, You wrote: any G4 or G5 is probably near the end of support for that, so look at an Intel-based one. Which models laptops or desktops would be intel based? I'm looking at: http://www.lowendmac.com which has about every model listed along with the prices various resellers charge. http://www.lowendmac.com/profiles.htm Also, they switched from PowerBook to MacBook with the Intel-based laptops. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Gerry, They list Intel iMacs on the site, just scroll down farther. Looks like there are some good deals on 17 Intel iMacs, as inexpensive as $550. If you're willing to spend the $$, I would look closely at the Apple Store online in their refurb area. You can probably get a nice 20 iMac for under $1000, which would last you for a very long time, not to mention having full factory warranty and eligibility for AppleCare, too. MacDann --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: Archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 1:44 AM archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Any Mac powerbook G4 or better will do all that just fine. If you want to be able to keep running the OS upgrades as they come out, any G4 or G5 is probably near the end of support for that, so look at an Intel-based one. I'm using a 1Ghz PowerBook G4 with 768 MB RAM, and it does everything I need with perfectly satisfactory performance. Allan 1983 300D Hi Alan, You wrote: any G4 or G5 is probably near the end of support for that, so look at an Intel-based one. Which models laptops or desktops would be intel based? I'm looking at: http://www.lowendmac.com which has about every model listed along with the prices various resellers charge. Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1891 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 8:17 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090114/3e85815c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Thanks. I'm slowly beginning to get a handle on all the different type of Macs. Might just go the refurb route since they aren't a whole lot more expensive than plain used. Will probably order first of next month. Question: From what I understand Lepard is the latest OS. Should I order that as well or will the installed OS be satisfactory for what I want to do? Gerry -- From: LWB250 Gerry, They list Intel iMacs on the site, just scroll down farther. Looks like there are some good deals on 17 Intel iMacs, as inexpensive as $550. If you're willing to spend the $$, I would look closely at the Apple Store online in their refurb area. You can probably get a nice 20 iMac for under $1000, which would last you for a very long time, not to mention having full factory warranty and eligibility for AppleCare, too. MacDann --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: Archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 1:44 AM archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Any Mac powerbook G4 or better will do all that just fine. If you want to be able to keep running the OS upgrades as they come out, any G4 or G5 is probably near the end of support for that, so look at an Intel-based one. I'm using a 1Ghz PowerBook G4 with 768 MB RAM, and it does everything I need with perfectly satisfactory performance. Allan 1983 300D Hi Alan, You wrote: any G4 or G5 is probably near the end of support for that, so look at an Intel-based one. Which models laptops or desktops would be intel based? I'm looking at: http://www.lowendmac.com which has about every model listed along with the prices various resellers charge. Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1891 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 8:17 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090114/3e85815c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release Date: 1/14/2009 6:59 AM -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release Date: 1/14/2009 6:59 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Leopard (10.5) is a dog, nearest thing to Vista the Mac OS has had in a long time... OS 10.4 (Tiger) is pretty great. Really anything 10.3 (Panther) and later should be totally adequate for a casual user. 10.2 (Jaguar) was fine but 10.3 is faster... OS 9 I don't even want to think about anymore. -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:41:13 -0500 From: Archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: d91c5c66c8a04c7696d7bf64d3ebb...@billardef4d8b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed Thanks. I'm slowly beginning to get a handle on all the different type of Macs. Might just go the refurb route since they aren't a whole lot more expensive than plain used. Will probably order first of next month. Question: From what I understand Lepard is the latest OS. Should I order that as well or will the installed OS be satisfactory for what I want to do? Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090114/c5df9195/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Leopard is more bloated with useless features and fancy graphics effects, but it's also much more optimized for intel macs. I think it runs noticeably faster than Tiger on my intel macbook laptop, but noticeably slower than Tiger on my old PowerMac G4 desktop. I'd stay with Tiger on a PowerPC, but go with Leopard on Intel personally... Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: Leopard (10.5) is a dog, nearest thing to Vista the Mac OS has had in a long time... OS 10.4 (Tiger) is pretty great. Really anything 10.3 (Panther) and later should be totally adequate for a casual user. 10.2 (Jaguar) was fine but 10.3 is faster... OS 9 I don't even want to think about anymore. -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:41:13 -0500 From: Archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: d91c5c66c8a04c7696d7bf64d3ebb...@billardef4d8b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed Thanks. I'm slowly beginning to get a handle on all the different type of Macs. Might just go the refurb route since they aren't a whole lot more expensive than plain used. Will probably order first of next month. Question: From what I understand Lepard is the latest OS. Should I order that as well or will the installed OS be satisfactory for what I want to do? Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090114/c5df9195/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
From: Curt Raymond Leopard (10.5) is a dog, nearest thing to Vista the Mac OS has had in a long time... OS 10.4 (Tiger) is pretty great. Really anything 10.3 (Panther) and later should be totally adequate for a casual user. 10.2 (Jaguar) was fine but 10.3 is faster... OS 9 I don't even want to think about anymore. -Curt - Thanks, Curt, just what I wanted to know. Gerry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release Date: 1/14/2009 6:59 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Good point, many of the Intel Macs won't run anything pre 10.5... Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:26:33 -0800 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 496e3c69.8090...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Leopard is more bloated with useless features and fancy graphics effects, but it's also much more optimized for intel macs. I think it runs noticeably faster than Tiger on my intel macbook laptop, but noticeably slower than Tiger on my old PowerMac G4 desktop. I'd stay with Tiger on a PowerPC, but go with Leopard on Intel personally... Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: Leopard (10.5) is a dog, nearest thing to Vista the Mac OS has had in a long time... OS 10.4 (Tiger) is pretty great. Really anything 10.3 (Panther) and later should be totally adequate for a casual user. 10.2 (Jaguar) was fine but 10.3 is faster... OS 9 I don't even want to think about anymore. -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090114/866bf942/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Thanks, Tyler. Any more opinions? Gerry --- From: tyler Leopard is more bloated with useless features and fancy graphics effects, but it's also much more optimized for intel macs. I think it runs noticeably faster than Tiger on my intel macbook laptop, but noticeably slower than Tiger on my old PowerMac G4 desktop. I'd stay with Tiger on a PowerPC, but go with Leopard on Intel personally... Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: Leopard (10.5) is a dog, nearest thing to Vista the Mac OS has had in a long time... OS 10.4 (Tiger) is pretty great. Really anything 10.3 (Panther) and later should be totally adequate for a casual user. 10.2 (Jaguar) was fine but 10.3 is faster... OS 9 I don't even want to think about anymore. -Curt -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release Date: 1/14/2009 6:59 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Know your mac: http://www.everymac.com/ Some support older OSs than others... The newest Intel Macs, those being sold today for instance, ONLY support 10.5... Its unfortunate, I've got a perfectly good BW G3 and an MDD G4 on a table in my classroom being decomissioned. The company will get a scrap buyer in to take them. If they're lucky they'll get repurposed or resold or something, if not At one point I'd have smuggled them home but I've got plenty of junk hanging around already. -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:50:08 -0500 From: Archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: a29e90cffc4044f3a976b55c56f14...@billardef4d8b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed From: Curt Raymond Leopard (10.5) is a dog, nearest thing to Vista the Mac OS has had in a long time... OS 10.4 (Tiger) is pretty great. Really anything 10.3 (Panther) and later should be totally adequate for a casual user. 10.2 (Jaguar) was fine but 10.3 is faster... OS 9 I don't even want to think about anymore. -Curt - Thanks, Curt, just what I wanted to know. Gerry -- next part -- -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090114/406c0ccc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com said: Leopard (10.5) is a dog, nearest thing to Vista the Mac OS has had in a long time... Is that because of the Time Warp stuff? Seems like saving every version of every file could certainly slow a file system to a crawl. Can it be turned off to any effect? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Theres no one thing to point to as the magic this slows the box down bullet. They changed a million things under the hood. The developers here tell me its a nightmare to work with for them. -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:40:14 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 1231969214.560.1294817...@webmail.messagingengine.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com said: Leopard (10.5) is a dog, nearest thing to Vista the Mac OS has had in a long time... Is that because of the Time Warp stuff? Seems like saving every version of every file could certainly slow a file system to a crawl. Can it be turned off to any effect? Allan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090114/9ac6ea2b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com said: Theres no one thing to point to as the magic this slows the box down bullet. They changed a million things under the hood. The developers here tell me its a nightmare to work with for them. Seems like every OS reaches a peak: an optimum of usability and performance, then starts to drop off on the performance axis as the feature bloat grows. For me Windows 2000 Pro was the peak for Windows. Sounds like maybe 10.4 is the peak for Mac OS X Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
It's quite a shame. Software keeps getting worse as computers get faster, such that you can't do much more with a new computer than with an old one. There seems to be more customer demand for new features than for improvements in overall quality, and making the old features actually work properly. Like with windows 7 people keep talking about how Microsoft needs to add more useful features, and market their products better. The market isn't demanding for them to instead improve the quality of the OS, and make the features they already have in Vista work properly (which they don't). I think OpenBSD is a great example of a quality OS that doesn't suffer from feature bloat. I run OpenBSD on a SparcStation made in the late 80s and with each new release OpenBSD runs faster and works better on this ridiculously old machine. With each release they re-audit the same existing unix tools that have been around for decades, and they keep getting faster, more secure, and more reliable. New features generally consist of better support for hardware, and fixes for old bugs. Added functionality is left to 3rd party software developers who write applications, and isn't the concern of the people maintaining the OS itself. I think that the difference here is that Microsoft is trying to make maximum short term profits for shareholders, and OpenBSD is trying to make a reliable operating system for use by it's own users and developers. This is the same reason I like old diesel Mercedes so much. They're a basic simple car without feature bloat, but the basic parts of the car like the engine, suspension, chassis, and interior are all of very good quality, and were gradually refined with each new model, while avoiding excessive new features. Tyler Allan Streib wrote: Seems like every OS reaches a peak: an optimum of usability and performance, then starts to drop off on the performance axis as the feature bloat grows. For me Windows 2000 Pro was the peak for Windows. Sounds like maybe 10.4 is the peak for Mac OS X Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Curt Raymond wrote: Its unfortunate, I've got a perfectly good BW G3 and an MDD G4 on a table in my classroom being decomissioned. The company will get a scrap buyer in to take them. If they're lucky they'll get repurposed or resold or something, if not At one point I'd have smuggled them home but I've got plenty of junk hanging around already. Same thing here at work... everything has an inventory sticker on it so I'd get in BIG trouble for smuggling one home! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Ha. Other than my Mac OS X laptop, I run OpenBSD at home myself. I used to be somewhat into Linux, but I discovered OpenBSD and it just works, no fuss, no constant tinkering/patching/upgrade treadmill. In fact I contemplated reformatting the laptop with OpenBSD, except for a couple of nice Mac OS software packages that I would not want to lose -- iTunes, and a few of the Omni Group apps. Allan On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:44:57 -0800, tyler casi...@usermail.com said: It's quite a shame. Software keeps getting worse as computers get faster, such that you can't do much more with a new computer than with an old one. There seems to be more customer demand for new features than for improvements in overall quality, and making the old features actually work properly. Like with windows 7 people keep talking about how Microsoft needs to add more useful features, and market their products better. The market isn't demanding for them to instead improve the quality of the OS, and make the features they already have in Vista work properly (which they don't). I think OpenBSD is a great example of a quality OS that doesn't suffer from feature bloat. I run OpenBSD on a SparcStation made in the late 80s and with each new release OpenBSD runs faster and works better on this ridiculously old machine. With each release they re-audit the same existing unix tools that have been around for decades, and they keep getting faster, more secure, and more reliable. New features generally consist of better support for hardware, and fixes for old bugs. Added functionality is left to 3rd party software developers who write applications, and isn't the concern of the people maintaining the OS itself. I think that the difference here is that Microsoft is trying to make maximum short term profits for shareholders, and OpenBSD is trying to make a reliable operating system for use by it's own users and developers. This is the same reason I like old diesel Mercedes so much. They're a basic simple car without feature bloat, but the basic parts of the car like the engine, suspension, chassis, and interior are all of very good quality, and were gradually refined with each new model, while avoiding excessive new features. Tyler Allan Streib wrote: Seems like every OS reaches a peak: an optimum of usability and performance, then starts to drop off on the performance axis as the feature bloat grows. For me Windows 2000 Pro was the peak for Windows. Sounds like maybe 10.4 is the peak for Mac OS X Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Thanks. I'm slowly beginning to get a handle on all the different type of Macs. Might just go the refurb route since they aren't a whole lot more expensive than plain used. Will probably order first of next month. Question: From what I understand Leopard is the latest OS. Should I order that as well or will the installed OS be satisfactory for what I want to do? Gerry Actually, and I don't think it has been mentioned yet, but if the refurb/used Intel you buy does *not* already come with a Leopard install DVD, wait about 3-6 months. OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) will be out soon. The rumor is that 10.6 will be 10.5 (Leopard) with all Power PC (G3, G4, G5) code removed to fully optimize it for the Intel processor. Since you are unfamiliar with Macs, the main drive for that rumor is the fact that 10.6 is still a Leopard system. All OS X systems have been a big cat, but a different big cat with each major revision. Puma, Cheetah, Panther, Tiger and Leopard. So the fact that it is a Snow Leopard instead of Lion or something is driving the Mac fanbase to believe that it is not as major a revision as any of the others. Any of the Intel Macs will be a great machine for you, and, if you simply can not come to love the Mac OS, the Intel Macs will also run Linux and Windows. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090114/f7ba1777/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
I'm in the same situation. I still run OSX on the laptop because apple laptops are so well integrated with the OS with regard to sleep, wireless, charging, etc. iTunes and Apple mail are really nice also. Tyler Allan Streib wrote: Ha. Other than my Mac OS X laptop, I run OpenBSD at home myself. I used to be somewhat into Linux, but I discovered OpenBSD and it just works, no fuss, no constant tinkering/patching/upgrade treadmill. In fact I contemplated reformatting the laptop with OpenBSD, except for a couple of nice Mac OS software packages that I would not want to lose -- iTunes, and a few of the Omni Group apps. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What he said. I have both Intel and G4 Macs in the house, and I kept the G4s on 10.4. They seem happier. MacDann --- On Wed, 1/14/09, tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote: From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 2:26 PM I'd stay with Tiger on a PowerPC, but go with Leopard on Intel personally... Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
The BW G3 is pretty much doorstop material these days, but the MDD is worth something. I have a G4 Quicksilver (model just below the MDD) and it runs great as long as you don't need to do anything graphics intensive. And that's only because I've kept the stock graphics card because I like the studio monitor it drives. Otherwise I would have to buy a separate power supply for the monitor if I wanted to hook up a DVI graphics board. Dan --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:11 PM Know your mac: http://www.everymac.com/ Some support older OSs than others... The newest Intel Macs, those being sold today for instance, ONLY support 10.5... Its unfortunate, I've got a perfectly good BW G3 and an MDD G4 on a table in my classroom being decomissioned. The company will get a scrap buyer in to take them. If they're lucky they'll get repurposed or resold or something, if not At one point I'd have smuggled them home but I've got plenty of junk hanging around already. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Embarqmail might have changed as well. When the tech had me check out the entries in OE under Tools/Accounts, he had me change a line from Archer75, my user name on the ISP, to my full address arche...@embarqmail.com. Gerry --- From: Wonko the Sane This is a longshot, but my ISP made a change last year that tripped lots of folks up. The email name had to be the FULL name -- n...@domain.net rather than just name in the email software. Prior to the change, either one would work. -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1888 - Release Date: 1/12/2009 7:04 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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-- Problem seems to have been solved at the ISP. Downloads have been working seamlessly for about the past 12 hours. Very confusing since sometimes the ISP would download and sometimes it wouldn't, so it was hard to tell if something that had been fixed had solved the problem. Thanks to everyone. Another question about Macs: I've read that there are antivirus programs for Macs. Are these necessary and about how much do they cost if they are? Thanks, Gerry -- From: Wonko the Sane This is a longshot, but my ISP made a change last year that tripped lots of folks up. The email name had to be the FULL name -- n...@domain.net rather than just name in the email software. Prior to the change, either one would work. On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 5:52 AM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: I can tell from the answers you passed along that the night shift staff you have been dealing with has very little experience. If you can reliably connect to the net every time but have no email then the line filter is not the issue - it's a dumb filter. But I have seen a DSL modem pass network traffic but it would not pass email! You probably want to talk to someone on day shift. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1888 - Release Date: 1/12/2009 7:04 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Most Mac people will tell you that and AV program for a Mac is a waste of money, however, that is starting to change. As the market share gets larger, some of the lowlifes that traffic in this sort of thing are beginning to take shots at the Mac OS and related programs. There were a couple of good articles on this subject in the trades the last week or so since MacWorld just finished, and some of the exhibitors were Mac AV people. I don't have an antivirus program on any of my Macs, but I'm also very careful about what I download and where I surf. Interestingly enough, one of the AV vendors who was interviewed at the show last week mentioned that the only real threats to Macs were the users, as much of what happens in the way of virus and malware attacks are due to the user's interaction. MacDann --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: Archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 6:57 AM -- Problem seems to have been solved at the ISP. Downloads have been working seamlessly for about the past 12 hours. Very confusing since sometimes the ISP would download and sometimes it wouldn't, so it was hard to tell if something that had been fixed had solved the problem. Thanks to everyone. Another question about Macs: I've read that there are antivirus programs for Macs. Are these necessary and about how much do they cost if they are? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090113/5f03b024/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Anti virus is always a good idea, even though Mac OSX is not prone to attack. There are worms that do happen, but most infections are from using winblows on a mac. If you do run an intel mac, get anti virus clay On Jan 13, 2009, at 3:57 AM, Archer wrote: -- Problem seems to have been solved at the ISP. Downloads have been working seamlessly for about the past 12 hours. Very confusing since sometimes the ISP would download and sometimes it wouldn't, so it was hard to tell if something that had been fixed had solved the problem. Thanks to everyone. Another question about Macs: I've read that there are antivirus programs for Macs. Are these necessary and about how much do they cost if they are? Thanks, Gerry -- From: Wonko the Sane This is a longshot, but my ISP made a change last year that tripped lots of folks up. The email name had to be the FULL name -- n...@domain.net rather than just name in the email software. Prior to the change, either one would work. On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 5:52 AM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: I can tell from the answers you passed along that the night shift staff you have been dealing with has very little experience. If you can reliably connect to the net every time but have no email then the line filter is not the issue - it's a dumb filter. But I have seen a DSL modem pass network traffic but it would not pass email! You probably want to talk to someone on day shift. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1888 - Release Date: 1/12/2009 7:04 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Thanks, Clay. Gerry -- From: Redghost Anti virus is always a good idea, even though Mac OSX is not prone to attack. There are worms that do happen, but most infections are from using winblows on a mac. If you do run an intel mac, get anti virus clay On Jan 13, 2009, at 3:57 AM, Archer wrote: -- Problem seems to have been solved at the ISP. Downloads have been working seamlessly for about the past 12 hours. Very confusing since sometimes the ISP would download and sometimes it wouldn't, so it was hard to tell if something that had been fixed had solved the problem. Thanks to everyone. Another question about Macs: I've read that there are antivirus programs for Macs. Are these necessary and about how much do they cost if they are? Thanks, Gerry -- From: Wonko the Sane This is a longshot, but my ISP made a change last year that tripped lots of folks up. The email name had to be the FULL name -- n...@domain.net rather than just name in the email software. Prior to the change, either one would work. On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 5:52 AM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: I can tell from the answers you passed along that the night shift staff you have been dealing with has very little experience. If you can reliably connect to the net every time but have no email then the line filter is not the issue - it's a dumb filter. But I have seen a DSL modem pass network traffic but it would not pass email! You probably want to talk to someone on day shift. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1888 - Release Date: 1/12/2009 7:04 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1891 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 8:17 AM -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1891 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 8:17 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:30 AM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Thanks, Gerry http://www.lowendmac.com Click Deals at the top. Low End runs a script against the largest Mac resellers once a week and then posts the prices for the resulting products. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090113/887bc688/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Trampas Stern tst...@nc.rr.com wrote: I moved all my email to Gmail, actually I have Gmail pop email from all my servers. Much better than everything else I have tried. Trampas GMail supports both POP and IMAP for downloading email to a desktop client as well, so you don't *need* to use the web client if you like having copies of email local to read while you are working offline. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090113/e0cd9ea2/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Many thanks to Clay, Alan, Gary, and anyone I missed for preliminary info on Macs. Will probably have more questions since there seems to be a lot of variable options that the used machines on the net have. Gerry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
More trouble! Quit receiving email again earlier tonight. Got out the laptop and it had the same problem, so it doesn't look like the desktop is causing it. Called ISP support, and after removing the telephone line filter, resetting the modem, bypassing the router, etc., etc. the first guy who said he was the supervisor, decided the filter was bad and something was wrong with Outlook Express. Tried the laptop again and had the same problem, so he was wrong about Outlook Express. The second guy I called checked everything out again, found nothing wrong, and finally decided that work they were doing on another server might be causing my problem although he didn't see how. My computers connect to the ISP every time, but the ISP server doesn't accept my name and password. Sounds like their server may have an off and on problem unless the problem is due to the repair work going on or their software is corrupted.. So. The problem is with the ISP or something besides my computers, but three of their guys couldn't find it! Maybe ought to talk to somebody on the day shift at the ISP. Gerry -- From: Tom Hargrave That's what I though - others were going off on a tangent, blaming your ISP for a local software problem. Your ISP is almost never the issue with email delivery problems although they can help if provided the right info. From your initial report, you were dealing with an inexperienced tech. BTW - your email used SMTP / POP3, SMTP for outgoing and POP3 for incoming emails. SMTP is usually setup to send immediate, right after you press the send button and POP3 is usually setup to check for incoming emails on a timer, most often every 5 minutes. -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
I can tell from the answers you passed along that the night shift staff you have been dealing with has very little experience. If you can reliably connect to the net every time but have no email then the line filter is not the issue - it's a dumb filter. But I have seen a DSL modem pass network traffic but it would not pass email! You probably want to talk to someone on day shift. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Archer Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux More trouble! Quit receiving email again earlier tonight. Got out the laptop and it had the same problem, so it doesn't look like the desktop is causing it. Called ISP support, and after removing the telephone line filter, resetting the modem, bypassing the router, etc., etc. the first guy who said he was the supervisor, decided the filter was bad and something was wrong with Outlook Express. Tried the laptop again and had the same problem, so he was wrong about Outlook Express. The second guy I called checked everything out again, found nothing wrong, and finally decided that work they were doing on another server might be causing my problem although he didn't see how. My computers connect to the ISP every time, but the ISP server doesn't accept my name and password. Sounds like their server may have an off and on problem unless the problem is due to the repair work going on or their software is corrupted.. So. The problem is with the ISP or something besides my computers, but three of their guys couldn't find it! Maybe ought to talk to somebody on the day shift at the ISP. Gerry -- From: Tom Hargrave That's what I though - others were going off on a tangent, blaming your ISP for a local software problem. Your ISP is almost never the issue with email delivery problems although they can help if provided the right info. From your initial report, you were dealing with an inexperienced tech. BTW - your email used SMTP / POP3, SMTP for outgoing and POP3 for incoming emails. SMTP is usually setup to send immediate, right after you press the send button and POP3 is usually setup to check for incoming emails on a timer, most often every 5 minutes. -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1888 - Release Date: 1/12/2009 7:04 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1888 - Release Date: 1/12/2009 7:04 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
I got one on eBay a couple years ago for $100. Had a brand new battery in it. My wife uses it with iTunes to play music in her massage room (she's a massage therapist). It pulls all the music across a wired Ethernet link from her PC. It would benefit from a RAM upgrade if it was going to be used for more than that but for what it does its great. I'd like to have another for a download station at home. -Curt Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:08:50 -0800 From: Redghost redgh...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: b241dbf4-ae94-413c-a518-6622bf536...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes I really like the G3 iBook I got at OWC this summer -- $125 missing rubber feet and I surf wi-fi great. clay -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090112/17aedfd0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
This is a longshot, but my ISP made a change last year that tripped lots of folks up. The email name had to be the FULL name -- n...@domain.net rather than just name in the email software. Prior to the change, either one would work. On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 5:52 AM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: I can tell from the answers you passed along that the night shift staff you have been dealing with has very little experience. If you can reliably connect to the net every time but have no email then the line filter is not the issue - it's a dumb filter. But I have seen a DSL modem pass network traffic but it would not pass email! You probably want to talk to someone on day shift. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Archer Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux More trouble! Quit receiving email again earlier tonight. Got out the laptop and it had the same problem, so it doesn't look like the desktop is causing it. Called ISP support, and after removing the telephone line filter, resetting the modem, bypassing the router, etc., etc. the first guy who said he was the supervisor, decided the filter was bad and something was wrong with Outlook Express. Tried the laptop again and had the same problem, so he was wrong about Outlook Express. The second guy I called checked everything out again, found nothing wrong, and finally decided that work they were doing on another server might be causing my problem although he didn't see how. My computers connect to the ISP every time, but the ISP server doesn't accept my name and password. Sounds like their server may have an off and on problem unless the problem is due to the repair work going on or their software is corrupted.. So. The problem is with the ISP or something besides my computers, but three of their guys couldn't find it! Maybe ought to talk to somebody on the day shift at the ISP. Gerry -- From: Tom Hargrave That's what I though - others were going off on a tangent, blaming your ISP for a local software problem. Your ISP is almost never the issue with email delivery problems although they can help if provided the right info. From your initial report, you were dealing with an inexperienced tech. BTW - your email used SMTP / POP3, SMTP for outgoing and POP3 for incoming emails. SMTP is usually setup to send immediate, right after you press the send button and POP3 is usually setup to check for incoming emails on a timer, most often every 5 minutes. -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1888 - Release Date: 1/12/2009 7:04 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1888 - Release Date: 1/12/2009 7:04 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090112/06cf3fb2/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Had to call ISP support tonight because !#$%^*# WinXP quit receiving email even though it could send email. Support guy did all the checking and I did all the reloading and he finally said he didn't know why; that it might be some of the repair work they were doing at the ISP although it shouldn't. Asked him if embarqmail supported Ubuntu and he said they didn't support any Linux distros because there were too many. (Embarqmail is the only DSL we can get out here in the woods.) Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090111/b106d9aa/attachment.html -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
I moved all my email to Gmail, actually I have Gmail pop email from all my servers. Much better than everything else I have tried. Trampas On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:30 AM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Had to call ISP support tonight because !#$%^*# WinXP quit receiving email even though it could send email. Support guy did all the checking and I did all the reloading and he finally said he didn't know why; that it might be some of the repair work they were doing at the ISP although it shouldn't. Asked him if embarqmail supported Ubuntu and he said they didn't support any Linux distros because there were too many. (Embarqmail is the only DSL we can get out here in the woods.) Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090111/b106d9aa/attachment.html -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090111/ec7dc9e5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Dual G4 powermac. Maybe 1 ghz or better. If you have any need to run windoze also, then any core2 duo mini. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 06:30:11 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux Had to call ISP support tonight because !#$%^*# WinXP quit receiving email even though it could send email. Support guy did all the checking and I did all the reloading and he finally said he didn't know why; that it might be some of the repair work they were doing at the ISP although it shouldn't. Asked him if embarqmail supported Ubuntu and he said they didn't support any Linux distros because there were too many. (Embarqmail is the only DSL we can get out here in the woods.) Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090111/b106d9aa/attachment.html -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Make sure the ISP supports MacOS if that's the route you want to go. Historically BellSouth and Time Warner did not, though resellers (Earthlink for example) did. I gave up on ISP mail long ago, now I use Google Apps for Domains and keep my domain primarily for that. I like my wife's Mac; despite being such a young nix distribution OSX is almost as good as RHEL. Kind of short on hardware support though. :) -Tim -Original Message- From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com Date: Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 6:30 am Subject: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.comReply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Had to call ISP support tonight because !#$%^*# WinXP quit receiving email even though it could send email. Support guy did all the checking and I did all the reloading and he finally said he didn't know why; that it might be some of the repair work they were doing at the ISP although it shouldn't. Asked him if embarqmail supported Ubuntu and he said they didn't support any Linux distros because there were too many. (Embarqmail is the only DSL we can get out here in the woods.) Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090111/b106d9aa/attachment.html -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
- Original Message - From: Trampas Stern tst...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux I moved all my email to Gmail, actually I have Gmail pop email from all my servers. Much better than everything else I have tried. Trampas --- Am writing this on laptop which works fine, so the trouble must be with WinXP or the desktop. You download GMail email from IE or similar program then? Whoops! The desktop email is working again so it must have started just before I powered up this laptop. Thanks, Gerry On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:30 AM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Had to call ISP support tonight because !#$%^*# WinXP quit receiving email even though it could send email. Support guy did all the checking and I did all the reloading and he finally said he didn't know why; that it might be some of the repair work they were doing at the ISP although it shouldn't. Asked him if embarqmail supported Ubuntu and he said they didn't support any Linux distros because there were too many. (Embarqmail is the only DSL we can get out here in the woods.) Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090111/b106d9aa/attachment.html -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090111/ec7dc9e5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
- Original Message - From: Trampas Stern tst...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux I moved all my email to Gmail, actually I have Gmail pop email from all my servers. Much better than everything else I have tried. Trampas On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:30 AM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Had to call ISP support tonight because !#$%^*# WinXP quit receiving email even though it could send email. Support guy did all the checking and I did all the reloading and he finally said he didn't know why; that it might be some of the repair work they were doing at the ISP although it shouldn't. Asked him if embarqmail supported Ubuntu and he said they didn't support any Linux distros because there were too many. (Embarqmail is the only DSL we can get out here in the woods.) Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090111/b106d9aa/attachment.html -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090111/ec7dc9e5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Any working G4 desktop will do that easily, and a Pismo laptop (my current one) is fine. I get mine of eBay, but there are other re- sellers (try PowerMax and LowEndMac). I suspect you will be delighted. Peter On Jan 11, 2009, at 5:30 AM, archer wrote: Had to call ISP support tonight because !#$%^*# WinXP quit receiving email even though it could send email. Support guy did all the checking and I did all the reloading and he finally said he didn't know why; that it might be some of the repair work they were doing at the ISP although it shouldn't. Asked him if embarqmail supported Ubuntu and he said they didn't support any Linux distros because there were too many. (Embarqmail is the only DSL we can get out here in the woods.) Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20090111/b106d9aa/attachment.html -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
- Original Message - From: Tim C. bb...@crone.us To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux Make sure the ISP supports MacOS if that's the route you want to go. Historically BellSouth and Time Warner did not, though resellers (Earthlink for example) did. I gave up on ISP mail long ago, now I use Google Apps for Domains and keep my domain primarily for that. -- How does Google Apps work? The ISP guy said they did support Macs. When they say they don't support an OS, does that mean they simply don't help on technical problems or that you can't use it at all on their system? I like my wife's Mac; despite being such a young nix distribution OSX is almost as good as RHEL. Kind of short on hardware support though. :) -T Thanks, Tim, Pardon this screwy email. Not used to laptop typing on it. If I missed anyone who answered my questions due to these problems, thanks anyway. Gerry -Original Message- From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com Date: Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 6:30 am Subject: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.comReply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Had to call ISP support tonight because !#$%^*# WinXP quit receiving email even though it could send email. Support guy did all the checking and I did all the reloading and he finally said he didn't know why; that it might be some of the repair work they were doing at the ISP although it shouldn't. Asked him if embarqmail supported Ubuntu and he said they didn't support any Linux distros because there were too many. (Embarqmail is the only DSL we can get out here in the woods.) Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090111/b106d9aa/attachment.html -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
What does the server OS have to do with the OS on your laptop? If you are running a desktop email program then it's usually a SMTP / POP3 setup and the server does not care what you are running. Both are universal standards that have been around for a long time. If it’s a web browser email then the server still does not care - hour browser just needs to be compatible with the web app and most are. One caveat - hosting companies will state that they don't support certain operating systems. It's not that you can't connect - you can use their services, including email. They make this statement when they don't have the staff on site to help you troubleshoot your email issues. Most don't support the MAC but they can't support everything! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux - Original Message - From: Tim C. bb...@crone.us To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux Make sure the ISP supports MacOS if that's the route you want to go. Historically BellSouth and Time Warner did not, though resellers (Earthlink for example) did. I gave up on ISP mail long ago, now I use Google Apps for Domains and keep my domain primarily for that. -- How does Google Apps work? The ISP guy said they did support Macs. When they say they don't support an OS, does that mean they simply don't help on technical problems or that you can't use it at all on their system? I like my wife's Mac; despite being such a young nix distribution OSX is almost as good as RHEL. Kind of short on hardware support though. :) -T Thanks, Tim, Pardon this screwy email. Not used to laptop typing on it. If I missed anyone who answered my questions due to these problems, thanks anyway. Gerry -Original Message- From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com Date: Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 6:30 am Subject: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.comReply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Had to call ISP support tonight because !#$%^*# WinXP quit receiving email even though it could send email. Support guy did all the checking and I did all the reloading and he finally said he didn't know why; that it might be some of the repair work they were doing at the ISP although it shouldn't. Asked him if embarqmail supported Ubuntu and he said they didn't support any Linux distros because there were too many. (Embarqmail is the only DSL we can get out here in the woods.) Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090111/ b106d9aa/attachment.html -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Understood. Thanks, Gerry P.S. The problem with email last night was corrupted software on Outlook Express. I restored everything to Friday and now it works well. --- - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux What does the server OS have to do with the OS on your laptop? If you are running a desktop email program then it's usually a SMTP / POP3 setup and the server does not care what you are running. Both are universal standards that have been around for a long time. If it’s a web browser email then the server still does not care - hour browser just needs to be compatible with the web app and most are. One caveat - hosting companies will state that they don't support certain operating systems. It's not that you can't connect - you can use their services, including email. They make this statement when they don't have the staff on site to help you troubleshoot your email issues. Most don't support the MAC but they can't support everything! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
That's what I though - others were going off on a tangent, blaming your ISP for a local software problem. Your ISP is almost never the issue with email delivery problems although they can help if provided the right info. From your initial report, you were dealing with an inexperienced tech. BTW - your email used SMTP / POP3, SMTP for outgoing and POP3 for incoming emails. SMTP is usually setup to send immediate, right after you press the send button and POP3 is usually setup to check for incoming emails on a timer, most often every 5 minutes. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Archer Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux Understood. Thanks, Gerry P.S. The problem with email last night was corrupted software on Outlook Express. I restored everything to Friday and now it works well. --- - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux What does the server OS have to do with the OS on your laptop? If you are running a desktop email program then it's usually a SMTP / POP3 setup and the server does not care what you are running. Both are universal standards that have been around for a long time. If it’s a web browser email then the server still does not care - hour browser just needs to be compatible with the web app and most are. One caveat - hosting companies will state that they don't support certain operating systems. It's not that you can't connect - you can use their services, including email. They make this statement when they don't have the staff on site to help you troubleshoot your email issues. Most don't support the MAC but they can't support everything! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
Don't confuse what they are calling support with whether or not Linux will work with your ISP. I think what they mean is that they won't help you over the telephone with setting things up. You should still be able to run Linux with any ISP. On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:30 AM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Had to call ISP support tonight because !#$%^*# WinXP quit receiving email even though it could send email. Support guy did all the checking and I did all the reloading and he finally said he didn't know why; that it might be some of the repair work they were doing at the ISP although it shouldn't. Asked him if embarqmail supported Ubuntu and he said they didn't support any Linux distros because there were too many. (Embarqmail is the only DSL we can get out here in the woods.) Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090111/b106d9aa/attachment.html -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090111/9fe2d26e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
any of the 800+mhz G4 will do a smashing job for you. I would check local Univ. surplus or CL for one. Under $200 for MDD (mirror door) tower. To do everything available now from Apple, pick up a Mac Mini for $600 and use your old usb KB Mouse set up clay On Jan 11, 2009, at 3:30 AM, archer wrote: Had to call ISP support tonight because !#$%^*# WinXP quit receiving email even though it could send email. Support guy did all the checking and I did all the reloading and he finally said he didn't know why; that it might be some of the repair work they were doing at the ISP although it shouldn't. Asked him if embarqmail supported Ubuntu and he said they didn't support any Linux distros because there were too many. (Embarqmail is the only DSL we can get out here in the woods.) Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090111/b106d9aa/attachment.html -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
I really like the G3 iBook I got at OWC this summer -- $125 missing rubber feet and I surf wi-fi great. clay On Jan 11, 2009, at 6:55 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: Any working G4 desktop will do that easily, and a Pismo laptop (my current one) is fine. I get mine of eBay, but there are other re- sellers (try PowerMax and LowEndMac). I suspect you will be delighted. Peter On Jan 11, 2009, at 5:30 AM, archer wrote: Had to call ISP support tonight because !#$%^*# WinXP quit receiving email even though it could send email. Support guy did all the checking and I did all the reloading and he finally said he didn't know why; that it might be some of the repair work they were doing at the ISP although it shouldn't. Asked him if embarqmail supported Ubuntu and he said they didn't support any Linux distros because there were too many. (Embarqmail is the only DSL we can get out here in the woods.) Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090111/b106d9aa/attachment.html -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Any Mac powerbook G4 or better will do all that just fine. If you want to be able to keep running the OS upgrades as they come out, any G4 or G5 is probably near the end of support for that, so look at an Intel-based one. I'm using a 1Ghz PowerBook G4 with 768 MB RAM, and it does everything I need with perfectly satisfactory performance. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
i've sort of moved away from the pismos recently, but still use the twin 500mhz powermac daily. On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I really like the G3 iBook I got at OWC this summer -- $125 missing rubber feet and I surf wi-fi great. clay On Jan 11, 2009, at 6:55 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: Any working G4 desktop will do that easily, and a Pismo laptop (my current one) is fine. I get mine of eBay, but there are other re-sellers (try PowerMax and LowEndMac). I suspect you will be delighted. Peter On Jan 11, 2009, at 5:30 AM, archer wrote: Had to call ISP support tonight because !#$%^*# WinXP quit receiving email even though it could send email. Support guy did all the checking and I did all the reloading and he finally said he didn't know why; that it might be some of the repair work they were doing at the ISP although it shouldn't. Asked him if embarqmail supported Ubuntu and he said they didn't support any Linux distros because there were too many. (Embarqmail is the only DSL we can get out here in the woods.) Therefore, I'm thinking about a Mac. Can someone tell me where I can find a used Mac laptop and desktop that will download Utube moderately fast, do email, etc.; and that a monitor, keyboard, and external mouse can be hooked up to? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090111/b106d9aa/attachment.html -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090111/1a6703d6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
