Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

typical NY slimes.   " The Authority on Everything" (they know nothing 
about)


G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

NY Times isn't worth lining a monkey cage.  ALL airlines are on progressive
maintenance schedules which are based on number of cycles or hours of
operation for each component on the engine AND the air frame.

The implication it had not been touched in 18 years is both false and
absurd reporting by someone who truly does NOT understand how aviation
works and it's rules.





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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

A lap belt won't keep you from being sucked out of the seat when a window blows 
out, it's happened before (DC-10) due to engine failure.

Cogent point is that the cowling is supposed to stay on and contain the flying 
bits, for several reasons, and in this instance, the cowling failed from a 
single blade failure, not a fan disintegration, which is also supposed to be 
contained if possible.

I noted that the cowling is composite, not a titanium ring as was earlier 
practice, not that I'm an engineer or anything.  I'd trust the titanium ring 
over composite for repeated impacts or severe vibration.

It's going to take some time to figure out why the blade failed, it's not a 
common these days, and not in that particular engine.

Age of the engine is an issue, it may be that the fans have a limited lifetime, 
something that has not been an issue before.  Longer and longer engine life 
will reveal failures related to repeated stress cycles older engine never lived 
long enough to develop!
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Commentary there says the woman WAS wearing a seatbelt, and the shrapnel
WAS contained.

But...

A seatbelt can only do so much, and the window WAS right there next to
her.  Also, the fan shrapnel
was contained, but the horrendous vibration caused other parts of the
engine nacelle to fracture and
fragment into the 500MPH slipstream.  So, not "shrapnel" damage so much as
"debris" damage, not
that it matters to the injured/killed.  Also, behind the wing, not on the
rotational axis of the turbine.

Horrible accident, no matter how you slice it.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[G Mann via Mercedes]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/29619/medical-examiner-reveals-cause-death-woman-joseph-curl

Medical examiners report on cause of death. As well as FAA Safety plan for
inspection of engines going forward. [It's early yet. The inspection plan
will become much more detailed.]

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 8:59 AM, as.thompson--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Interesting anecdote about the CFM 56 engine.
>
> I flew the CFM 56 engine for the first time it was flown on any aircraft
> when I was an Air Force test pilot at Edwards AFB in 1977.
>
> Here is a reference from Wikipedia; "The engine flew for the first time in
> February 1977 when it replaced one of the four Pratt & Whitney JT8D <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_JT8D> engines on the
> McDonnell Douglas YC-15 <https://en.wikipedia.org/
> wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_YC-15>, an entrant in the Air Force's Advanced
> Medium STOL Transport <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Medium_STOL_
> Transport> (AMST) competition.[17] <https://en.wikipedia.org/
> wiki/CFM_International_CFM56#cite_note-17> Soon after, the second CFM56
> was mounted on a Sud Aviation Caravelle <https://en.wikipedia.org/
> wiki/Sud_Aviation_Caravelle> at the SNECMA flight test center in France.
> This engine had a slightly different configuration with a long bypass duct
> and mixed  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bypass_duct>exhaust flow,[nb 1]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_International_CFM56#cite_note-e1-18>
> rather than a short bypass duct with unmixed exhaust <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bypass_duct> flow.[nb 2] <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_International_CFM56#cite_note-e2-19> It
> was the first to include a "Thrust Management System" to maintain engine
> trim.[nb 3] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_International_CFM56#
> cite_note-20>[18] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_International_CFM56#
> cite_note-flighttest-21>”
>
> Back then, they had no customers for the engine. Now, follow-on versions
> of those engines are everywhere.
>
> Addison Thompson
> CL500
>
>
> On Apr 19, 2018, Floyd wrote:
>
> From: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
> Date: April 19, 2018 at 06:55:05 PDT
>
> Sometimes it just boils down to "sh*t happens" despite the best parts and
> practices humanly possible.  The fact is that flying is extremely safe,
> aircraft are incredibly durable, engines are extremely reliable, and most
> pilots are pretty damn good at what they do, US pilots anyway.  While the
> FAA might be a PITA about stuff, all the above is mostly due to that I
> would think, and the fact that the guy/gal flying the plane up in that
> pointy part is always the first one to arrive at whatever destination is
> (un)scheduled, so they have a bit of self-interest in the process.
>
> --FT (who just made some reservations the other day to fly SWA next
> month...)
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[as.thompson--- via Mercedes]

Interesting anecdote about the CFM 56 engine. 

I flew the CFM 56 engine for the first time it was flown on any aircraft when I 
was an Air Force test pilot at Edwards AFB in 1977. 

Here is a reference from Wikipedia; "The engine flew for the first time in 
February 1977 when it replaced one of the four Pratt & Whitney JT8D 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_JT8D> engines on the McDonnell 
Douglas YC-15 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_YC-15>, an 
entrant in the Air Force's Advanced Medium STOL Transport 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Medium_STOL_Transport> (AMST) 
competition.[17] 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_International_CFM56#cite_note-17> Soon 
after, the second CFM56 was mounted on a Sud Aviation Caravelle 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sud_Aviation_Caravelle> at the SNECMA flight 
test center in France. This engine had a slightly different configuration with 
a long bypass duct and mixed  
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bypass_duct>exhaust flow,[nb 1] 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_International_CFM56#cite_note-e1-18> rather 
than a short bypass duct with unmixed exhaust 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bypass_duct> flow.[nb 2] 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_International_CFM56#cite_note-e2-19> It was 
the first to include a "Thrust Management System" to maintain engine trim.[nb 
3] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_International_CFM56#cite_note-20>[18] 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_International_CFM56#cite_note-flighttest-21>”

Back then, they had no customers for the engine. Now, follow-on versions of 
those engines are everywhere.

Addison Thompson
CL500


On Apr 19, 2018, Floyd wrote:
   
From: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
Date: April 19, 2018 at 06:55:05 PDT

Sometimes it just boils down to "sh*t happens" despite the best parts and 
practices humanly possible.  The fact is that flying is extremely safe, 
aircraft are incredibly durable, engines are extremely reliable, and most 
pilots are pretty damn good at what they do, US pilots anyway.  While the FAA 
might be a PITA about stuff, all the above is mostly due to that I would think, 
and the fact that the guy/gal flying the plane up in that pointy part is always 
the first one to arrive at whatever destination is (un)scheduled, so they have 
a bit of self-interest in the process.

--FT (who just made some reservations the other day to fly SWA next month...)
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Please just stop.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Our new buddy Kim the young dictator refuses to fly at all so he won't get
> to enjoy the pleasures of
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Our new buddy Kim the young dictator refuses to fly at all so he won't get
to enjoy the pleasures of marawacko when he meets with fake45..

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 9:58 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Aisle seat towards the rear... my choice
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 4/18/18 4:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> On 18/04/2018 12:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> They pulled somebody back in who lived but is in the hospital. I would
>>> assume one got sucked completely out.
>>>
>>>
>> Only one death - the woman who was partly sucked out of the plane but was
>> pulled back in.
>> She survived the landing but later died if the news reports are accurate.
>>
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Aisle seat towards the rear... my choice

--FT


On 4/18/18 4:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 18/04/2018 12:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
They pulled somebody back in who lived but is in the hospital. I 
would assume one got sucked completely out.




Only one death - the woman who was partly sucked out of the plane but 
was pulled back in.

She survived the landing but later died if the news reports are accurate.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That's what the pilot said.

--FT (who bets once she got home she might have cracked a bottle of 
something to decompress a bit)



On 4/18/18 1:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Maybe I have a different point of view but when these sort of things happen 
they call the pilot a hero. I call it them doing their job.


--
--FT


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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Sometimes it just boils down to "sh*t happens" despite the best parts 
and practices humanly possible.  The fact is that flying is extremely 
safe, aircraft are incredibly durable, engines are extremely reliable, 
and most pilots are pretty damn good at what they do, US pilots anyway.  
While the FAA might be a PITA about stuff, all the above is mostly due 
to that I would think, and the fact that the guy/gal flying the plane up 
in that pointy part is always the first one to arrive at whatever 
destination is (un)scheduled, so they have a bit of self-interest in the 
process.


--FT (who just made some reservations the other day to fly SWA next 
month...)



On 4/18/18 8:44 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Being deeply involved in the aviation parts supply chain for 50 years, I
find it very unlikely failure was due to a "counterfeit part". I can say
with firm conviction the entire maintenance supply chain that involves
Southwest Airlines is and will be bending over and grabbing their socks for
some time to come.

  "I'm from the FAA and I'm here to help you, because we are not happy until
you are not happy." Is something that sticks in my mind, as owner of
several FAA Licensed Repair Stations. over the years. This entire incident
will be methodically investigated until the full cause can be identified,
then corrective action will be taken via FAA directives as may be needed to
preclude any possible re-occurrence...

That is how FAA works.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I was on one of these birds once when the starboard engine failed. It was
quite noticeable! I think I commented: "THAT was interesting!" IIRC we were
bound for PDX from San Jose, did an emergency landing in Medford(?) and
were bussed up the rest of the way.

Do birds fly at 35,000 ft.?

I was wondering if there were a problem with Southwest's parts supply
chain? Could this have been the result of counterfeit engine parts?

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:24 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

I agree that she was killed by the shrapnel, then further beaten by the
slip stream. IIRC, those pilots get frequent simulator training on handling
just such an event. If they can keep their head when it happens in real
life, they should be fine. However, that is not a given since we're "all
human". I had one incident of oil pressure loss just after take off that I
treated as on engine out situation and I can tell you that it really gets
your attention.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


Seems very likely the individual was struck by parts from the engine
destruction causing fatal injury. Being sucked out the window was
"secondary injury".
Cruise speed at 35,000 ft is normally .8 Mach which translates to

"around"

550 kph airspeed. [Mach is the speed of sound through air. Air density at
35,000 ft can vary with temp.]
Point being, being suddenly thrust into a 500+ mph slipstream, after
absorbing massive injury, would be  further injury.

Makes a strong case for keeping your seat belt fastened, regardless of
where you or the airplane are located.

Very good friend is the head of FAA Accident Investigation, now

nationwide.

As the investigation develops, I will collect such details as may be
released.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The "breaking news" initial reports were ambiguous and confusing, as

they

often are. But at this point it looks like Max has it right.

Greg

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of

Meade

Dillon via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:18 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Meade Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think

anyone

else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight

deck)

of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted

with

a

bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out

the

window" became "sucked out of the airplane".

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I don't think the implication was that the engine hadn't be touched in 18 years.
In fact after some additional thought they probably said that the plane was 18 
years old...

-Curt
 

On Thursday, April 19, 2018, 1:21:12 AM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  
 
 NY Times isn't worth lining a monkey cage.  ALL airlines are on progressive
maintenance schedules which are based on number of cycles or hours of
operation for each component on the engine AND the air frame.

The implication it had not been touched in 18 years is both false and
absurd reporting by someone who truly does NOT understand how aviation
works and it's rules.



On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> NY Times reported that the engine was almost 18 years old...
>
> They also pointed out that nobody had died in an American air crash in
> like 9 years.
>
> -Curt
>
>
>    On Wednesday, April 18, 2018, 5:11:19 PM EDT, Greg Fiorentino via
> Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  I was on one of these birds once when the starboard engine failed. It was
> quite noticeable! I think I commented: "THAT was interesting!" IIRC we were
> bound for PDX from San Jose, did an emergency landing in Medford(?) and
> were bussed up the rest of the way.
>
> Do birds fly at 35,000 ft.?
>
> I was wondering if there were a problem with Southwest's parts supply
> chain? Could this have been the result of counterfeit engine parts?
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
> via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:24 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: OK Don
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
>
> I agree that she was killed by the shrapnel, then further beaten by the
> slip stream. IIRC, those pilots get frequent simulator training on handling
> just such an event. If they can keep their head when it happens in real
> life, they should be fine. However, that is not a given since we're "all
> human". I had one incident of oil pressure loss just after take off that I
> treated as on engine out situation and I can tell you that it really gets
> your attention.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Seems very likely the individual was struck by parts from the engine
> > destruction causing fatal injury. Being sucked out the window was
> > "secondary injury".
> > Cruise speed at 35,000 ft is normally .8 Mach which translates to
> "around"
> > 550 kph airspeed. [Mach is the speed of sound through air. Air density at
> > 35,000 ft can vary with temp.]
> > Point being, being suddenly thrust into a 500+ mph slipstream, after
> > absorbing massive injury, would be  further injury.
> >
> > Makes a strong case for keeping your seat belt fastened, regardless of
> > where you or the airplane are located.
> >
> > Very good friend is the head of FAA Accident Investigation, now
> nationwide.
> > As the investigation develops, I will collect such details as may be
> > released.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The "breaking news" initial reports were ambiguous and confusing, as
> they
> > > often are. But at this point it looks like Max has it right.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Meade
> > > Dillon via Mercedes
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:18 AM
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > > Cc: Meade Dillon
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
> > >
> > > My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
> > > passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think
> anyone
> > > else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight
> deck)
> > > of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted
> with
> > a
> > > bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out
> the
> > > window" became "sucked out of the airplane".
> > >
> > > -
> > > Max
> > > Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

More to the point, I suspect a design problem -- the cowling is supposed to 
contain a thrown fan blade, and it appears that just one blade came loose or 
broke off.

The engine may have had quite a few parts replaced, but some of it is indeed 18 
years old.  I don't know what maintenance schedules are for modern high bypass 
engines, but they are very robust and require much less repair than the older 
ones.  Needless to say, failed engines are a huge headache and I don't think 
Southwest cheats on maintaining them.

If the failure was indeed a fatigue failure as the NTSB has stated, it's a 
materials/inspection problem, not a maintenance problem unless the blades were 
removed and re-installed by Southwest.

CFM56 engines have a good reputation, unlike the GE engines on the DC-10.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[G Mann via Mercedes]

NY Times isn't worth lining a monkey cage.  ALL airlines are on progressive
maintenance schedules which are based on number of cycles or hours of
operation for each component on the engine AND the air frame.

The implication it had not been touched in 18 years is both false and
absurd reporting by someone who truly does NOT understand how aviation
works and it's rules.



On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> NY Times reported that the engine was almost 18 years old...
>
> They also pointed out that nobody had died in an American air crash in
> like 9 years.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 18, 2018, 5:11:19 PM EDT, Greg Fiorentino via
> Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  I was on one of these birds once when the starboard engine failed. It was
> quite noticeable! I think I commented: "THAT was interesting!" IIRC we were
> bound for PDX from San Jose, did an emergency landing in Medford(?) and
> were bussed up the rest of the way.
>
> Do birds fly at 35,000 ft.?
>
> I was wondering if there were a problem with Southwest's parts supply
> chain? Could this have been the result of counterfeit engine parts?
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
> via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:24 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: OK Don
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
>
> I agree that she was killed by the shrapnel, then further beaten by the
> slip stream. IIRC, those pilots get frequent simulator training on handling
> just such an event. If they can keep their head when it happens in real
> life, they should be fine. However, that is not a given since we're "all
> human". I had one incident of oil pressure loss just after take off that I
> treated as on engine out situation and I can tell you that it really gets
> your attention.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Seems very likely the individual was struck by parts from the engine
> > destruction causing fatal injury. Being sucked out the window was
> > "secondary injury".
> > Cruise speed at 35,000 ft is normally .8 Mach which translates to
> "around"
> > 550 kph airspeed. [Mach is the speed of sound through air. Air density at
> > 35,000 ft can vary with temp.]
> > Point being, being suddenly thrust into a 500+ mph slipstream, after
> > absorbing massive injury, would be  further injury.
> >
> > Makes a strong case for keeping your seat belt fastened, regardless of
> > where you or the airplane are located.
> >
> > Very good friend is the head of FAA Accident Investigation, now
> nationwide.
> > As the investigation develops, I will collect such details as may be
> > released.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The "breaking news" initial reports were ambiguous and confusing, as
> they
> > > often are. But at this point it looks like Max has it right.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Meade
> > > Dillon via Mercedes
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:18 AM
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > > Cc: Meade Dillon
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
> > >
> > > My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
> > > passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think
> anyone
> > > else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight
> deck)
> > > of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted
> with
> > a
> > > bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out
> the
> > > window" became "sucked out of the airplane".
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

NY Times reported that the engine was almost 18 years old...

They also pointed out that nobody had died in an American air crash in like 9 
years.

-Curt
 

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018, 5:11:19 PM EDT, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  
 
 I was on one of these birds once when the starboard engine failed. It was 
quite noticeable! I think I commented: "THAT was interesting!" IIRC we were 
bound for PDX from San Jose, did an emergency landing in Medford(?) and were 
bussed up the rest of the way.

Do birds fly at 35,000 ft.?

I was wondering if there were a problem with Southwest's parts supply chain? 
Could this have been the result of counterfeit engine parts?

Greg

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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:24 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

I agree that she was killed by the shrapnel, then further beaten by the
slip stream. IIRC, those pilots get frequent simulator training on handling
just such an event. If they can keep their head when it happens in real
life, they should be fine. However, that is not a given since we're "all
human". I had one incident of oil pressure loss just after take off that I
treated as on engine out situation and I can tell you that it really gets
your attention.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Seems very likely the individual was struck by parts from the engine
> destruction causing fatal injury. Being sucked out the window was
> "secondary injury".
> Cruise speed at 35,000 ft is normally .8 Mach which translates to "around"
> 550 kph airspeed. [Mach is the speed of sound through air. Air density at
> 35,000 ft can vary with temp.]
> Point being, being suddenly thrust into a 500+ mph slipstream, after
> absorbing massive injury, would be  further injury.
>
> Makes a strong case for keeping your seat belt fastened, regardless of
> where you or the airplane are located.
>
> Very good friend is the head of FAA Accident Investigation, now nationwide.
> As the investigation develops, I will collect such details as may be
> released.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The "breaking news" initial reports were ambiguous and confusing, as they
> > often are. But at this point it looks like Max has it right.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Meade
> > Dillon via Mercedes
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:18 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Meade Dillon
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
> >
> > My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
> > passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think anyone
> > else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight deck)
> > of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted with
> a
> > bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out the
> > window" became "sucked out of the airplane".
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Being deeply involved in the aviation parts supply chain for 50 years, I
find it very unlikely failure was due to a "counterfeit part". I can say
with firm conviction the entire maintenance supply chain that involves
Southwest Airlines is and will be bending over and grabbing their socks for
some time to come.

 "I'm from the FAA and I'm here to help you, because we are not happy until
you are not happy." Is something that sticks in my mind, as owner of
several FAA Licensed Repair Stations. over the years. This entire incident
will be methodically investigated until the full cause can be identified,
then corrective action will be taken via FAA directives as may be needed to
preclude any possible re-occurrence...

That is how FAA works.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I was on one of these birds once when the starboard engine failed. It was
> quite noticeable! I think I commented: "THAT was interesting!" IIRC we were
> bound for PDX from San Jose, did an emergency landing in Medford(?) and
> were bussed up the rest of the way.
>
> Do birds fly at 35,000 ft.?
>
> I was wondering if there were a problem with Southwest's parts supply
> chain? Could this have been the result of counterfeit engine parts?
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
> via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:24 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: OK Don
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
>
> I agree that she was killed by the shrapnel, then further beaten by the
> slip stream. IIRC, those pilots get frequent simulator training on handling
> just such an event. If they can keep their head when it happens in real
> life, they should be fine. However, that is not a given since we're "all
> human". I had one incident of oil pressure loss just after take off that I
> treated as on engine out situation and I can tell you that it really gets
> your attention.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Seems very likely the individual was struck by parts from the engine
> > destruction causing fatal injury. Being sucked out the window was
> > "secondary injury".
> > Cruise speed at 35,000 ft is normally .8 Mach which translates to
> "around"
> > 550 kph airspeed. [Mach is the speed of sound through air. Air density at
> > 35,000 ft can vary with temp.]
> > Point being, being suddenly thrust into a 500+ mph slipstream, after
> > absorbing massive injury, would be  further injury.
> >
> > Makes a strong case for keeping your seat belt fastened, regardless of
> > where you or the airplane are located.
> >
> > Very good friend is the head of FAA Accident Investigation, now
> nationwide.
> > As the investigation develops, I will collect such details as may be
> > released.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The "breaking news" initial reports were ambiguous and confusing, as
> they
> > > often are. But at this point it looks like Max has it right.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Meade
> > > Dillon via Mercedes
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:18 AM
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > > Cc: Meade Dillon
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
> > >
> > > My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
> > > passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think
> anyone
> > > else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight
> deck)
> > > of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted
> with
> > a
> > > bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out
> the
> > > window" became "sucked out of the airplane".
> > >
> > > -
> > > Max
> > > Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

For many years SWA farmed out maintenance to non union Co. to avoid
organizing & oversight. Not sure it is,still true.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Apr 18, 2018 6:46 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
wrote:

I am more worried about the maintenance policies and procedures of the
airline than the crews, either set. It's really the bean counters that do
the damage . . .
For the most part, the provenance of every bolt, etc. in the aircraft can
be traced back to the raw materials, at least that's what I've been told.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think I am more worried about the quality of the maintenance crews than
> the air crews.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 18/04/2018 4:19 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Some of the yupeen and asian airlines are pretty good also.  Luthansa and
>> Aer Lingus come to  mind, although Ryanair now is very high on the list
of
>> safest, but I have not flown on that one.   Singapore used to be very
good,
>> but I don't know how they stack up now.
>>
>> I enjoyed flying when the pilots were WWII bomber veterans with tens of
>> thousands of hours.   I always believed they could handle anything
humanly
>> possible.
>>
>> US regionals are dicey, as reviewed here a few weeks ago.
>>
>> Not all major airline pilots are military veteran pilots, but I trust the
>> military veteran pilots more than anyone else.
>>
>>
>> Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Agree and agree!
>>>
>>> SWMBO absolutely agrees regarding military training. She worked in the
>>> pilot training unit at Alaska Air.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>
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[OK Don via Mercedes]

I am more worried about the maintenance policies and procedures of the
airline than the crews, either set. It's really the bean counters that do
the damage . . .
For the most part, the provenance of every bolt, etc. in the aircraft can
be traced back to the raw materials, at least that's what I've been told.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think I am more worried about the quality of the maintenance crews than
> the air crews.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 18/04/2018 4:19 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Some of the yupeen and asian airlines are pretty good also.  Luthansa and
>> Aer Lingus come to  mind, although Ryanair now is very high on the list of
>> safest, but I have not flown on that one.   Singapore used to be very good,
>> but I don't know how they stack up now.
>>
>> I enjoyed flying when the pilots were WWII bomber veterans with tens of
>> thousands of hours.   I always believed they could handle anything humanly
>> possible.
>>
>> US regionals are dicey, as reviewed here a few weeks ago.
>>
>> Not all major airline pilots are military veteran pilots, but I trust the
>> military veteran pilots more than anyone else.
>>
>>
>> Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Agree and agree!
>>>
>>> SWMBO absolutely agrees regarding military training. She worked in the
>>> pilot training unit at Alaska Air.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I think I am more worried about the quality of the maintenance crews 
than the air crews.


RB

On 18/04/2018 4:19 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Some of the yupeen and asian airlines are pretty good also.  Luthansa 
and Aer Lingus come to  mind, although Ryanair now is very high on the 
list of safest, but I have not flown on that one.   Singapore used to 
be very good, but I don't know how they stack up now.


I enjoyed flying when the pilots were WWII bomber veterans with tens 
of thousands of hours.   I always believed they could handle anything 
humanly possible.


US regionals are dicey, as reviewed here a few weeks ago.

Not all major airline pilots are military veteran pilots, but I trust 
the military veteran pilots more than anyone else.



Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

Agree and agree!

SWMBO absolutely agrees regarding military training. She worked in 
the pilot training unit at Alaska Air.


Greg




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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Some of the yupeen and asian airlines are pretty good also.  Luthansa 
and Aer Lingus come to  mind, although Ryanair now is very high on the 
list of safest, but I have not flown on that one.   Singapore used to be 
very good, but I don't know how they stack up now.


I enjoyed flying when the pilots were WWII bomber veterans with tens of 
thousands of hours.   I always believed they could handle anything 
humanly possible.


US regionals are dicey, as reviewed here a few weeks ago.

Not all major airline pilots are military veteran pilots, but I trust 
the military veteran pilots more than anyone else.



Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

Agree and agree!

SWMBO absolutely agrees regarding military training. She worked in the pilot 
training unit at Alaska Air.

Greg




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[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I was on one of these birds once when the starboard engine failed. It was quite 
noticeable! I think I commented: "THAT was interesting!" IIRC we were bound for 
PDX from San Jose, did an emergency landing in Medford(?) and were bussed up 
the rest of the way.

Do birds fly at 35,000 ft.?

I was wondering if there were a problem with Southwest's parts supply chain? 
Could this have been the result of counterfeit engine parts?

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don via 
Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:24 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

I agree that she was killed by the shrapnel, then further beaten by the
slip stream. IIRC, those pilots get frequent simulator training on handling
just such an event. If they can keep their head when it happens in real
life, they should be fine. However, that is not a given since we're "all
human". I had one incident of oil pressure loss just after take off that I
treated as on engine out situation and I can tell you that it really gets
your attention.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Seems very likely the individual was struck by parts from the engine
> destruction causing fatal injury. Being sucked out the window was
> "secondary injury".
> Cruise speed at 35,000 ft is normally .8 Mach which translates to "around"
> 550 kph airspeed. [Mach is the speed of sound through air. Air density at
> 35,000 ft can vary with temp.]
> Point being, being suddenly thrust into a 500+ mph slipstream, after
> absorbing massive injury, would be  further injury.
>
> Makes a strong case for keeping your seat belt fastened, regardless of
> where you or the airplane are located.
>
> Very good friend is the head of FAA Accident Investigation, now nationwide.
> As the investigation develops, I will collect such details as may be
> released.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The "breaking news" initial reports were ambiguous and confusing, as they
> > often are. But at this point it looks like Max has it right.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Meade
> > Dillon via Mercedes
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:18 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Meade Dillon
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
> >
> > My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
> > passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think anyone
> > else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight deck)
> > of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted with
> a
> > bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out the
> > window" became "sucked out of the airplane".
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Agree and agree!

SWMBO absolutely agrees regarding military training. She worked in the pilot 
training unit at Alaska Air.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
Ritchey via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:05 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Cc: Scott Ritchey
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

Both things can be true, IMO.  
Military training is (IMO) why US airlines have better cockpit crews than other 
airlines.  

> -Original Message-
> From:  Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> ...
> 
> Maybe I have a different point of view but when these sort of things happen
> they call the pilot a hero. I call it them doing their job.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I like to sit within a few rows of the back.  It is the most survivable 
position.  I kept my seatbelt fastened, if loose, all the time, unless I 
was out of the seat every time I have flown as an adult.   You get 
treated like a dog or hog if you sit in the back, but to me it is worth 
that to be in the most survivable part of the plane.


Somehow, I envisioned the possibility of a prop or turbine failure or 
other decompression event long before the Aloha sunroof, or the missing 
cargo door, or other scenarios that resulted in rapid decompression.


OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Yes - don't sit opposite/between the engines - a few rows either in front
or behind should be fine. As fast as those engines turn, I'm surprised that
this doesn't happen more often. It's a testament to the care given in the
engineering and construction of turbine engines, as reflected in their cost.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes<
mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:




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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Based on the very limited pictures of the damaged engine, it appears the
fan lost blades, or the fan hub failed. The result looks like fan
containment ring was destroyed which indicates to me an abrupt and complete
failure of the fan hub, or the fan gear box. Subsequent nacelle damage, aft
of the fan inlet / containment ring, would indicate, from my experience,
"normal" destruction following fan ingestion by the compressor section
[which sets behind the fan gear box.].

Some years ago, I worked with a major engine manufacturer in their bird
ingestion testing [to engine failure] on their test stands. It involved
firing multiple fully fledged 3 lb. chickens [newly deceased] from an air
cannon at 170 mph, into the intake of an engine running at 100% takeoff
power. All while being filmed with high speed camera.

First lesson learned was, chickens are NOT certified to fly at 170 MPH.
Second lesson learned, multiple bird strikes did millions of dollars damage
to the test engine.

Subsequent tear down and inspection showed damage quite similar to what I
see in the photos, so far... More followup to followup.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Yes - don't sit opposite/between the engines - a few rows either in front
> or behind should be fine. As fast as those engines turn, I'm surprised that
> this doesn't happen more often. It's a testament to the care given in the
> engineering and construction of turbine engines, as reflected in their
> cost.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Might not save you. I believe the news report said more than one of the
> > passengers was hit by some of the shrapnel.
> >
> > RB
> >
> >
> > On 18/04/2018 12:27 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> I think I'll stick to aisle seats in the future.
> >>
> >> Greg
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Meade
> >> Dillon via Mercedes
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 6:56 AM
> >> To: Mercedes
> >> Cc: Meade Dillon
> >> Subject: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
> >>
> >> https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-pilot-who-saved-that-s
> >> outhwest-flight-is-a-badass-1825341463
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes - don't sit opposite/between the engines - a few rows either in front
or behind should be fine. As fast as those engines turn, I'm surprised that
this doesn't happen more often. It's a testament to the care given in the
engineering and construction of turbine engines, as reflected in their cost.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Might not save you. I believe the news report said more than one of the
> passengers was hit by some of the shrapnel.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 18/04/2018 12:27 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I think I'll stick to aisle seats in the future.
>>
>> Greg
>>
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>> Subject: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I agree that she was killed by the shrapnel, then further beaten by the
slip stream. IIRC, those pilots get frequent simulator training on handling
just such an event. If they can keep their head when it happens in real
life, they should be fine. However, that is not a given since we're "all
human". I had one incident of oil pressure loss just after take off that I
treated as on engine out situation and I can tell you that it really gets
your attention.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Seems very likely the individual was struck by parts from the engine
> destruction causing fatal injury. Being sucked out the window was
> "secondary injury".
> Cruise speed at 35,000 ft is normally .8 Mach which translates to "around"
> 550 kph airspeed. [Mach is the speed of sound through air. Air density at
> 35,000 ft can vary with temp.]
> Point being, being suddenly thrust into a 500+ mph slipstream, after
> absorbing massive injury, would be  further injury.
>
> Makes a strong case for keeping your seat belt fastened, regardless of
> where you or the airplane are located.
>
> Very good friend is the head of FAA Accident Investigation, now nationwide.
> As the investigation develops, I will collect such details as may be
> released.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The "breaking news" initial reports were ambiguous and confusing, as they
> > often are. But at this point it looks like Max has it right.
> >
> > Greg
> >
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> > Dillon via Mercedes
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:18 AM
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> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
> >
> > My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
> > passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think anyone
> > else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight deck)
> > of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted with
> a
> > bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out the
> > window" became "sucked out of the airplane".
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

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On 18/04/2018 12:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

They pulled somebody back in who lived but is in the hospital. I would assume 
one got sucked completely out.



Only one death - the woman who was partly sucked out of the plane but 
was pulled back in.

She survived the landing but later died if the news reports are accurate.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Might not save you. I believe the news report said more than one of the 
passengers was hit by some of the shrapnel.


RB


On 18/04/2018 12:27 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

I think I'll stick to aisle seats in the future.

Greg

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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Seems very likely the individual was struck by parts from the engine
destruction causing fatal injury. Being sucked out the window was
"secondary injury".
Cruise speed at 35,000 ft is normally .8 Mach which translates to "around"
550 kph airspeed. [Mach is the speed of sound through air. Air density at
35,000 ft can vary with temp.]
Point being, being suddenly thrust into a 500+ mph slipstream, after
absorbing massive injury, would be  further injury.

Makes a strong case for keeping your seat belt fastened, regardless of
where you or the airplane are located.

Very good friend is the head of FAA Accident Investigation, now nationwide.
As the investigation develops, I will collect such details as may be
released.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The "breaking news" initial reports were ambiguous and confusing, as they
> often are. But at this point it looks like Max has it right.
>
> Greg
>
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
>
> My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
> passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think anyone
> else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight deck)
> of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted with a
> bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out the
> window" became "sucked out of the airplane".
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

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Both things can be true, IMO.  
Military training is (IMO) why US airlines have better cockpit crews than other 
airlines.  

> -Original Message-
> From:  Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> ...
> 
> Maybe I have a different point of view but when these sort of things happen
> they call the pilot a hero. I call it them doing their job.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

The "breaking news" initial reports were ambiguous and confusing, as they often 
are. But at this point it looks like Max has it right.

Greg

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My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think anyone
else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight deck)
of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted with a
bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out the
window" became "sucked out of the airplane".

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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think anyone
else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight deck)
of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted with a
bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out the
window" became "sucked out of the airplane".

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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Listen to the audio. A normal person would freak out, she's as cool as ice...

-Curt
 

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018, 1:33:28 PM EDT, Kaleb C. Striplin via 
Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  
 
 So I take it 1 person got sucked out and the other person got half way sucked 
out but then pulled them back in.

Maybe I have a different point of view but when these sort of things happen 
they call the pilot a hero. I call it them doing their job.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:27 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I think I'll stick to aisle seats in the future.
> 
> Greg
> 
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> 
> https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-pilot-who-saved-that-southwest-flight-is-a-badass-1825341463
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

They pulled somebody back in who lived but is in the hospital. I would assume 
one got sucked completely out. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Not to be gross, but one of the first things I noticed when I saw the blown 
> out window and the fuselage was the smear of blood running back from the 
> window opening. That lady never had a chance.  Can you imagine having your 
> upper torso and head sucked out into the air stream at 300+ mph?
> 
> Whatever they pulled back in had to be pretty much hamburger. Ugh.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
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>> 
>> I think I'll stick to aisle seats in the future.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
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>> Subject: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
>> 
>> https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-pilot-who-saved-that-southwest-flight-is-a-badass-1825341463
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Not to be gross, but one of the first things I noticed when I saw the blown out 
window and the fuselage was the smear of blood running back from the window 
opening. That lady never had a chance.  Can you imagine having your upper torso 
and head sucked out into the air stream at 300+ mph?

Whatever they pulled back in had to be pretty much hamburger. Ugh.

-D

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
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> I think I'll stick to aisle seats in the future.
> 
> Greg
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> 
> https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-pilot-who-saved-that-southwest-flight-is-a-badass-1825341463
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So I take it 1 person got sucked out and the other person got half way sucked 
out but then pulled them back in.

Maybe I have a different point of view but when these sort of things happen 
they call the pilot a hero. I call it them doing their job.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:27 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
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> I think I'll stick to aisle seats in the future.
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> Greg
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> 
> https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-pilot-who-saved-that-southwest-flight-is-a-badass-1825341463
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[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I think I'll stick to aisle seats in the future.

Greg

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