Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
Buy another one and put it on the shelf to ensure this one lasts forever. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 4:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: After going to Lowe’s last night, 2 farm stores, a hardware store today, and finally a 2nd Lowe’s I was finally able to find a breaker. I finished installing it a little while ago then cranked up the thermostat so the aux heat would kick in. I let it run for about 20-30 minutes and it didn’t trip. Hopefully problem solved. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2021, at 2:42 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > If you were to plot the current draw vs. time on the resistance heater, > I bet it's quite a bit higher in the first few seconds and drops off as > the elements heat up. > > Maybe put in a "slow trip" breaker designed for loads that have an > initial surge of current close to the limit, but then drop off. They > will still trip on a prolonged overload or short. > > Allan > > > Max Dillon via Mercedes writes: > >> Put some duct tape on the breaker to keep it closed. This is the rental >> house right? >> >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> >> >> Feb 11, 2021 5:56:52 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : >> >>> And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of >>> time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers >>> around and see what happens. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if the problem follows the breaker. I do not have a clamp on meter. I could also see if I can get into the air handler. > On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat > strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you > can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know > for sure. > > Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing > amiss, like something across the heat strips. > > -D > >>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >> >> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. >> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the >> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and >> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been >> that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was >> tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the >> breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp >> is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I >> need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about >> swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could >> be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips >> itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a >> service request to the home warranty company. >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 20:36:56 + (UTC) Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > Put some duct tape on the breaker to keep it closed. This is the > rental house right? For breakers which are built correctly, that won't work. The internal mechanism trips and then moves the external handle. > Feb 11, 2021 5:56:52 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > : > > > And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount > > of time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of > > breakers around and see what happens. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
After going to Lowe’s last night, 2 farm stores, a hardware store today, and finally a 2nd Lowe’s I was finally able to find a breaker. I finished installing it a little while ago then cranked up the thermostat so the aux heat would kick in. I let it run for about 20-30 minutes and it didn’t trip. Hopefully problem solved. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2021, at 2:42 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > If you were to plot the current draw vs. time on the resistance heater, > I bet it's quite a bit higher in the first few seconds and drops off as > the elements heat up. > > Maybe put in a "slow trip" breaker designed for loads that have an > initial surge of current close to the limit, but then drop off. They > will still trip on a prolonged overload or short. > > Allan > > > Max Dillon via Mercedes writes: > >> Put some duct tape on the breaker to keep it closed. This is the rental >> house right? >> >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> >> >> Feb 11, 2021 5:56:52 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : >> >>> And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of >>> time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers >>> around and see what happens. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if the problem follows the breaker. I do not have a clamp on meter. I could also see if I can get into the air handler. > On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat > strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you > can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know > for sure. > > Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing > amiss, like something across the heat strips. > > -D > >>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >> >> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. >> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the >> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and >> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been >> that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was >> tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the >> breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp >> is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I >> need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about >> swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could >> be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips >> itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a >> service request to the home warranty company. >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
If you were to plot the current draw vs. time on the resistance heater, I bet it's quite a bit higher in the first few seconds and drops off as the elements heat up. Maybe put in a "slow trip" breaker designed for loads that have an initial surge of current close to the limit, but then drop off. They will still trip on a prolonged overload or short. Allan Max Dillon via Mercedes writes: > Put some duct tape on the breaker to keep it closed. This is the rental > house right? > > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > > Feb 11, 2021 5:56:52 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : > >> And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of >> time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers >> around and see what happens. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if >>> the problem follows the breaker. I do not have a clamp on meter. >>> >>> I could also see if I can get into the air handler. >>> On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know for sure. Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing amiss, like something across the heat strips. -D >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: > > It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. > One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the > breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and > its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been > that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was > tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the > breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp > is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I > need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about > swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could > be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips > itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a > service request to the home warranty company. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
Put some duct tape on the breaker to keep it closed. This is the rental house right? Max Dillon Charleston SC Feb 11, 2021 5:56:52 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : > And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of time > it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers around > and see what happens. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if the >> problem follows the breaker. I do not have a clamp on meter. >> >> I could also see if I can get into the air handler. >> >>> On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >>> I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat >>> strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you >>> can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know for >>> sure. >>> >>> Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing >>> amiss, like something across the heat strips. >>> >>> -D >>> > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a service request to the home warranty company. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
I’m confident out payback would have been 5-7 years at most. The original owner cheaped out on the HVAC in the place, as it was really undersized. As a result if was horribly inefficient and expensive. A lot of stratification between floors, poor distribution, etc., all resulted in gas (heating) bills of $200+ in the dead of winter, and nearly as much additional for electricity when cooling in the summer. The actual price for the whole system would have been around $18k, but Federal and state spiffs would have made it about $11k out of pocket. Indiana had a really good energy creedit setup for geothermal at the time. As I mentioned, you even got a credit on your property taxes for it, too. -D > On Feb 12, 2021, at 1:36 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > Our total energy bill decreased enough to break even from the > installation/purchase expenses of the geothermal unit in a little under > seven years. We're saving money now. Love it. > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 12:28 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> My HVAC guy in Indiana was insistent that I replace my poorly sized 80,000 >> BTU gas furnace and 4 ton AC unit for a 4,000 SF house with geothermal. Up >> front cost was around $11k but he was insistent my monthly energy bill >> would be $100 or less, regardless of the season and condition. >> >> Had we stayed there I would have taken him up on it. There was a big >> annual property tax credit from the state for having geothermal,too. >> >> -D >> >>> On Feb 12, 2021, at 1:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes >> wrote: >>> >>> Our geothermal heat pump has been doing fine so far - it's 12°F here now >> - >>> hasn't turned on the resistive strips yet. It's supposed to get to -7 >>> Monday so that will be a real test. The house is a "modular home", code >> for >>> a gussy'd up double wide, 1600 sq. ft., and leaky. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 9:44 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> Our wood stove is a Jotul 118 which is a big stove, it'll accept 24" wood. It's in the basement which is usually considered a negative but >> our house is small enough (just over 900sqft) that it heats the whole place pretty well although the bedroom stays pretty cool. I set the oil burner thermostat at 62 and then use wood to bring the house to 69-70 all day. >> Its back down to 62 by morning but I can have it back up to temp within 2 >> hours. This week I've been teaching, for that I sit on our enclosed porch and >> run one of those oil filled electric heater. There is hydronic out here but >> the circuit is shut off. I figure for only 5-6 hours a day it doesn't make sense to run the oil heat. With the door open the heat from the rest of >> the house gets in too. Usually start the electric heat 2-3 hours before >> class and shut it off 1 hour before class ends. Figure less than $1 a day... -Curt On Friday, February 12, 2021, 9:12:31 AM EST, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: We have a Jotul wood insert which is outstanding. Its been cold, under freezing for a few days for the most part. I heat with my minisplits >> and the wood insert, but the large 3 zone split stopped working earlier this week. This meant we were running with one 12k split on one end of the house and the wood stove. Still managed to keep the living room in the >> low 70s. It would fall into the 60s overnight after the insert started to >> burn low. The failure of the Fujitsu was interesting... I self installed, so >> assumed no warranty. Initially the failure showed on the indoor units as no communication to the outdoor. The outdoor unit showed no power to the >> main board, but was supplying power to the indoor units. I found a blown >> fuse on one power supply board, soldered on. I ordered a new fuse from McMaster, checked the obvious places I could for a short, then soldered >> it in when it arrived. The unit powered up then, but wouldn't heat and >> gave a code for the outdoor unit fan after a while, which wasn't spinning. >> More testing showed 400V DC (!) to the fan connector and open circuit on the >> fan motor. I ordered up a new fan and installed it yesterday and all is >> good now. Cost me about $300 to fix. If I did it by the service manual, I would >> have had to replace the power supply board, the main control board, and the fan. Probably would have been a $2000 repair if I called someone. But its a nice reminder how powerful the Jotul insert is. Worst case, I can run the oil fired steam heat still, but it generally costs a >> fortune. On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 6:52 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Actually it does have an insert, with a blower etc and it will throw >> out a
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
What is your underground component? Drilled well? We need to replace the boiler here, considering geothermal but at double the price I'm not sure it's worth it. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 1:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Our total energy bill decreased enough to break even from the installation/purchase expenses of the geothermal unit in a little under seven years. We're saving money now. Love it. On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 12:28 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > My HVAC guy in Indiana was insistent that I replace my poorly sized 80,000 > BTU gas furnace and 4 ton AC unit for a 4,000 SF house with geothermal. Up > front cost was around $11k but he was insistent my monthly energy bill > would be $100 or less, regardless of the season and condition. > > Had we stayed there I would have taken him up on it. There was a big > annual property tax credit from the state for having geothermal,too. > > -D > > > On Feb 12, 2021, at 1:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > Our geothermal heat pump has been doing fine so far - it's 12°F here now > - > > hasn't turned on the resistive strips yet. It's supposed to get to -7 > > Monday so that will be a real test. The house is a "modular home", code > for > > a gussy'd up double wide, 1600 sq. ft., and leaky. > > > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 9:44 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Our wood stove is a Jotul 118 which is a big stove, it'll accept 24" > >> wood. It's in the basement which is usually considered a negative but > our > >> house is small enough (just over 900sqft) that it heats the whole place > >> pretty well although the bedroom stays pretty cool. I set the oil burner > >> thermostat at 62 and then use wood to bring the house to 69-70 all day. > Its > >> back down to 62 by morning but I can have it back up to temp within 2 > hours. > >> This week I've been teaching, for that I sit on our enclosed porch and > run > >> one of those oil filled electric heater. There is hydronic out here but > the > >> circuit is shut off. I figure for only 5-6 hours a day it doesn't make > >> sense to run the oil heat. With the door open the heat from the rest of > the > >> house gets in too. Usually start the electric heat 2-3 hours before > class > >> and shut it off 1 hour before class ends. Figure less than $1 a day... > >> -Curt > >> > >> On Friday, February 12, 2021, 9:12:31 AM EST, Jaime Kopchinski via > >> Mercedes wrote: > >> > >> We have a Jotul wood insert which is outstanding. Its been cold, under > >> freezing for a few days for the most part. I heat with my minisplits > and > >> the wood insert, but the large 3 zone split stopped working earlier this > >> week. This meant we were running with one 12k split on one end of the > >> house and the wood stove. Still managed to keep the living room in the > low > >> 70s. It would fall into the 60s overnight after the insert started to > burn > >> low. > >> > >> The failure of the Fujitsu was interesting... I self installed, so > assumed > >> no warranty. Initially the failure showed on the indoor units as no > >> communication to the outdoor. The outdoor unit showed no power to the > main > >> board, but was supplying power to the indoor units. I found a blown > fuse > >> on one power supply board, soldered on. I ordered a new fuse from > >> McMaster, checked the obvious places I could for a short, then soldered > it > >> in when it arrived. The unit powered up then, but wouldn't heat and > gave a > >> code for the outdoor unit fan after a while, which wasn't spinning. > More > >> testing showed 400V DC (!) to the fan connector and open circuit on the > fan > >> motor. I ordered up a new fan and installed it yesterday and all is > good > >> now. > >> > >> Cost me about $300 to fix. If I did it by the service manual, I would > have > >> had to replace the power supply board, the main control board, and the > >> fan. Probably would have been a $2000 repair if I called someone. > >> > >> But its a nice reminder how powerful the Jotul insert is. Worst case, I > >> can run the oil fired steam heat still, but it generally costs a > fortune. > >> > >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 6:52 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Actually it does have an insert, with a blower etc and it will throw > out > >> a > >>> lot of heat. I just hate messing with it. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Curt Raymond > >> wrote: > > > A fireplace is about the least efficient device imaginable, most of > the > >>> heat of the fire shoots up the chimney. A small insert stove would > >>> dramatically increase the heat output. It'd be cleaner too since it > would > >>> have a door that would be closed. > > Wood is still a messy way to heat. I've had our wood stove lit pretty > >>> much every day this year. We've gone
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
The regional differences are interesting, I've never lived anywhere that didn't have hydronic heat. The apartment we lived in had natural gas but everywhere else has been oil.Our new farmhouse is oil fired hot air. If I were going to live in it in the winter I would explore converting to hydronic. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 1:25 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Geothermal will do a lot better than a regular heat pump. There is more heat under the ground than in the air when temperatures are that cold. I've never lived in a house that had anything other than a natural gas furnace for primary heat. Allan OK Don via Mercedes writes: > Our geothermal heat pump has been doing fine so far - it's 12°F here > now - hasn't turned on the resistive strips yet. It's supposed to get > to -7 Monday so that will be a real test. The house is a "modular > home", code for a gussy'd up double wide, 1600 sq. ft., and leaky. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
Our total energy bill decreased enough to break even from the installation/purchase expenses of the geothermal unit in a little under seven years. We're saving money now. Love it. On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 12:28 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > My HVAC guy in Indiana was insistent that I replace my poorly sized 80,000 > BTU gas furnace and 4 ton AC unit for a 4,000 SF house with geothermal. Up > front cost was around $11k but he was insistent my monthly energy bill > would be $100 or less, regardless of the season and condition. > > Had we stayed there I would have taken him up on it. There was a big > annual property tax credit from the state for having geothermal,too. > > -D > > > On Feb 12, 2021, at 1:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > Our geothermal heat pump has been doing fine so far - it's 12°F here now > - > > hasn't turned on the resistive strips yet. It's supposed to get to -7 > > Monday so that will be a real test. The house is a "modular home", code > for > > a gussy'd up double wide, 1600 sq. ft., and leaky. > > > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 9:44 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Our wood stove is a Jotul 118 which is a big stove, it'll accept 24" > >> wood. It's in the basement which is usually considered a negative but > our > >> house is small enough (just over 900sqft) that it heats the whole place > >> pretty well although the bedroom stays pretty cool. I set the oil burner > >> thermostat at 62 and then use wood to bring the house to 69-70 all day. > Its > >> back down to 62 by morning but I can have it back up to temp within 2 > hours. > >> This week I've been teaching, for that I sit on our enclosed porch and > run > >> one of those oil filled electric heater. There is hydronic out here but > the > >> circuit is shut off. I figure for only 5-6 hours a day it doesn't make > >> sense to run the oil heat. With the door open the heat from the rest of > the > >> house gets in too. Usually start the electric heat 2-3 hours before > class > >> and shut it off 1 hour before class ends. Figure less than $1 a day... > >> -Curt > >> > >>On Friday, February 12, 2021, 9:12:31 AM EST, Jaime Kopchinski via > >> Mercedes wrote: > >> > >> We have a Jotul wood insert which is outstanding. Its been cold, under > >> freezing for a few days for the most part. I heat with my minisplits > and > >> the wood insert, but the large 3 zone split stopped working earlier this > >> week. This meant we were running with one 12k split on one end of the > >> house and the wood stove. Still managed to keep the living room in the > low > >> 70s. It would fall into the 60s overnight after the insert started to > burn > >> low. > >> > >> The failure of the Fujitsu was interesting... I self installed, so > assumed > >> no warranty. Initially the failure showed on the indoor units as no > >> communication to the outdoor. The outdoor unit showed no power to the > main > >> board, but was supplying power to the indoor units. I found a blown > fuse > >> on one power supply board, soldered on. I ordered a new fuse from > >> McMaster, checked the obvious places I could for a short, then soldered > it > >> in when it arrived. The unit powered up then, but wouldn't heat and > gave a > >> code for the outdoor unit fan after a while, which wasn't spinning. > More > >> testing showed 400V DC (!) to the fan connector and open circuit on the > fan > >> motor. I ordered up a new fan and installed it yesterday and all is > good > >> now. > >> > >> Cost me about $300 to fix. If I did it by the service manual, I would > have > >> had to replace the power supply board, the main control board, and the > >> fan. Probably would have been a $2000 repair if I called someone. > >> > >> But its a nice reminder how powerful the Jotul insert is. Worst case, I > >> can run the oil fired steam heat still, but it generally costs a > fortune. > >> > >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 6:52 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Actually it does have an insert, with a blower etc and it will throw > out > >> a > >>> lot of heat. I just hate messing with it. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Curt Raymond > >> wrote: > > > A fireplace is about the least efficient device imaginable, most of > the > >>> heat of the fire shoots up the chimney. A small insert stove would > >>> dramatically increase the heat output. It'd be cleaner too since it > would > >>> have a door that would be closed. > > Wood is still a messy way to heat. I've had our wood stove lit pretty > >>> much every day this year. We've gone through probably twice as much > wood > >> as > >>> normal but its just because I've been home. At the same time we've > burned > >>> maybe half as much oil as normal. > > It gives me something to do and makes the basement a nice place to sit > >>> with a
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My HVAC guy in Indiana was insistent that I replace my poorly sized 80,000 BTU gas furnace and 4 ton AC unit for a 4,000 SF house with geothermal. Up front cost was around $11k but he was insistent my monthly energy bill would be $100 or less, regardless of the season and condition. Had we stayed there I would have taken him up on it. There was a big annual property tax credit from the state for having geothermal,too. -D > On Feb 12, 2021, at 1:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > Our geothermal heat pump has been doing fine so far - it's 12°F here now - > hasn't turned on the resistive strips yet. It's supposed to get to -7 > Monday so that will be a real test. The house is a "modular home", code for > a gussy'd up double wide, 1600 sq. ft., and leaky. > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 9:44 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Our wood stove is a Jotul 118 which is a big stove, it'll accept 24" >> wood. It's in the basement which is usually considered a negative but our >> house is small enough (just over 900sqft) that it heats the whole place >> pretty well although the bedroom stays pretty cool. I set the oil burner >> thermostat at 62 and then use wood to bring the house to 69-70 all day. Its >> back down to 62 by morning but I can have it back up to temp within 2 hours. >> This week I've been teaching, for that I sit on our enclosed porch and run >> one of those oil filled electric heater. There is hydronic out here but the >> circuit is shut off. I figure for only 5-6 hours a day it doesn't make >> sense to run the oil heat. With the door open the heat from the rest of the >> house gets in too. Usually start the electric heat 2-3 hours before class >> and shut it off 1 hour before class ends. Figure less than $1 a day... >> -Curt >> >>On Friday, February 12, 2021, 9:12:31 AM EST, Jaime Kopchinski via >> Mercedes wrote: >> >> We have a Jotul wood insert which is outstanding. Its been cold, under >> freezing for a few days for the most part. I heat with my minisplits and >> the wood insert, but the large 3 zone split stopped working earlier this >> week. This meant we were running with one 12k split on one end of the >> house and the wood stove. Still managed to keep the living room in the low >> 70s. It would fall into the 60s overnight after the insert started to burn >> low. >> >> The failure of the Fujitsu was interesting... I self installed, so assumed >> no warranty. Initially the failure showed on the indoor units as no >> communication to the outdoor. The outdoor unit showed no power to the main >> board, but was supplying power to the indoor units. I found a blown fuse >> on one power supply board, soldered on. I ordered a new fuse from >> McMaster, checked the obvious places I could for a short, then soldered it >> in when it arrived. The unit powered up then, but wouldn't heat and gave a >> code for the outdoor unit fan after a while, which wasn't spinning. More >> testing showed 400V DC (!) to the fan connector and open circuit on the fan >> motor. I ordered up a new fan and installed it yesterday and all is good >> now. >> >> Cost me about $300 to fix. If I did it by the service manual, I would have >> had to replace the power supply board, the main control board, and the >> fan. Probably would have been a $2000 repair if I called someone. >> >> But its a nice reminder how powerful the Jotul insert is. Worst case, I >> can run the oil fired steam heat still, but it generally costs a fortune. >> >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 6:52 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> Actually it does have an insert, with a blower etc and it will throw out >> a >>> lot of heat. I just hate messing with it. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Curt Raymond >> wrote: A fireplace is about the least efficient device imaginable, most of the >>> heat of the fire shoots up the chimney. A small insert stove would >>> dramatically increase the heat output. It'd be cleaner too since it would >>> have a door that would be closed. Wood is still a messy way to heat. I've had our wood stove lit pretty >>> much every day this year. We've gone through probably twice as much wood >> as >>> normal but its just because I've been home. At the same time we've burned >>> maybe half as much oil as normal. It gives me something to do and makes the basement a nice place to sit >>> with a wobble pop and read. -Curt On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:20:07 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via >>> Mercedes wrote: I like heat pumps. If it comes down to it we also have a wood burning >>> fireplace. I never use it though as I hate the hassle of messing with it. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > The heat strips are fine, it’s more
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Geothermal will do a lot better than a regular heat pump. There is more heat under the ground than in the air when temperatures are that cold. I've never lived in a house that had anything other than a natural gas furnace for primary heat. Allan OK Don via Mercedes writes: > Our geothermal heat pump has been doing fine so far - it's 12°F here > now - hasn't turned on the resistive strips yet. It's supposed to get > to -7 Monday so that will be a real test. The house is a "modular > home", code for a gussy'd up double wide, 1600 sq. ft., and leaky. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Our geothermal heat pump has been doing fine so far - it's 12°F here now - hasn't turned on the resistive strips yet. It's supposed to get to -7 Monday so that will be a real test. The house is a "modular home", code for a gussy'd up double wide, 1600 sq. ft., and leaky. On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 9:44 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Our wood stove is a Jotul 118 which is a big stove, it'll accept 24" > wood. It's in the basement which is usually considered a negative but our > house is small enough (just over 900sqft) that it heats the whole place > pretty well although the bedroom stays pretty cool. I set the oil burner > thermostat at 62 and then use wood to bring the house to 69-70 all day. Its > back down to 62 by morning but I can have it back up to temp within 2 hours. > This week I've been teaching, for that I sit on our enclosed porch and run > one of those oil filled electric heater. There is hydronic out here but the > circuit is shut off. I figure for only 5-6 hours a day it doesn't make > sense to run the oil heat. With the door open the heat from the rest of the > house gets in too. Usually start the electric heat 2-3 hours before class > and shut it off 1 hour before class ends. Figure less than $1 a day... > -Curt > > On Friday, February 12, 2021, 9:12:31 AM EST, Jaime Kopchinski via > Mercedes wrote: > > We have a Jotul wood insert which is outstanding. Its been cold, under > freezing for a few days for the most part. I heat with my minisplits and > the wood insert, but the large 3 zone split stopped working earlier this > week. This meant we were running with one 12k split on one end of the > house and the wood stove. Still managed to keep the living room in the low > 70s. It would fall into the 60s overnight after the insert started to burn > low. > > The failure of the Fujitsu was interesting... I self installed, so assumed > no warranty. Initially the failure showed on the indoor units as no > communication to the outdoor. The outdoor unit showed no power to the main > board, but was supplying power to the indoor units. I found a blown fuse > on one power supply board, soldered on. I ordered a new fuse from > McMaster, checked the obvious places I could for a short, then soldered it > in when it arrived. The unit powered up then, but wouldn't heat and gave a > code for the outdoor unit fan after a while, which wasn't spinning. More > testing showed 400V DC (!) to the fan connector and open circuit on the fan > motor. I ordered up a new fan and installed it yesterday and all is good > now. > > Cost me about $300 to fix. If I did it by the service manual, I would have > had to replace the power supply board, the main control board, and the > fan. Probably would have been a $2000 repair if I called someone. > > But its a nice reminder how powerful the Jotul insert is. Worst case, I > can run the oil fired steam heat still, but it generally costs a fortune. > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 6:52 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Actually it does have an insert, with a blower etc and it will throw out > a > > lot of heat. I just hate messing with it. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Curt Raymond > wrote: > > > > > > > > > A fireplace is about the least efficient device imaginable, most of the > > heat of the fire shoots up the chimney. A small insert stove would > > dramatically increase the heat output. It'd be cleaner too since it would > > have a door that would be closed. > > > > > > Wood is still a messy way to heat. I've had our wood stove lit pretty > > much every day this year. We've gone through probably twice as much wood > as > > normal but its just because I've been home. At the same time we've burned > > maybe half as much oil as normal. > > > > > > It gives me something to do and makes the basement a nice place to sit > > with a wobble pop and read. > > > > > > -Curt > > > > > > On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:20:07 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via > > Mercedes wrote: > > > > > > > > > I like heat pumps. If it comes down to it we also have a wood burning > > fireplace. I never use it though as I hate the hassle of messing with it. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > The heat strips are fine, it’s more an issue of a heat pump not > > producing the “hot” air people are often accustomed to with gas forced > air. > > They’re not terribly efficient, either, but that’s the drawback of > having a > > heat pump. > > > > > > > > I found it sort of weird with our Indiana house as it has a > > conventional gas furnace, so the air that comes out the vents is HOT! > > That’s after living in houses with heat pumps for years. > > > > > > > > -D > > > > > > > >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> >
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Our wood stove is a Jotul 118 which is a big stove, it'll accept 24" wood. It's in the basement which is usually considered a negative but our house is small enough (just over 900sqft) that it heats the whole place pretty well although the bedroom stays pretty cool. I set the oil burner thermostat at 62 and then use wood to bring the house to 69-70 all day. Its back down to 62 by morning but I can have it back up to temp within 2 hours. This week I've been teaching, for that I sit on our enclosed porch and run one of those oil filled electric heater. There is hydronic out here but the circuit is shut off. I figure for only 5-6 hours a day it doesn't make sense to run the oil heat. With the door open the heat from the rest of the house gets in too. Usually start the electric heat 2-3 hours before class and shut it off 1 hour before class ends. Figure less than $1 a day... -Curt On Friday, February 12, 2021, 9:12:31 AM EST, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: We have a Jotul wood insert which is outstanding. Its been cold, under freezing for a few days for the most part. I heat with my minisplits and the wood insert, but the large 3 zone split stopped working earlier this week. This meant we were running with one 12k split on one end of the house and the wood stove. Still managed to keep the living room in the low 70s. It would fall into the 60s overnight after the insert started to burn low. The failure of the Fujitsu was interesting... I self installed, so assumed no warranty. Initially the failure showed on the indoor units as no communication to the outdoor. The outdoor unit showed no power to the main board, but was supplying power to the indoor units. I found a blown fuse on one power supply board, soldered on. I ordered a new fuse from McMaster, checked the obvious places I could for a short, then soldered it in when it arrived. The unit powered up then, but wouldn't heat and gave a code for the outdoor unit fan after a while, which wasn't spinning. More testing showed 400V DC (!) to the fan connector and open circuit on the fan motor. I ordered up a new fan and installed it yesterday and all is good now. Cost me about $300 to fix. If I did it by the service manual, I would have had to replace the power supply board, the main control board, and the fan. Probably would have been a $2000 repair if I called someone. But its a nice reminder how powerful the Jotul insert is. Worst case, I can run the oil fired steam heat still, but it generally costs a fortune. On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 6:52 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Actually it does have an insert, with a blower etc and it will throw out a > lot of heat. I just hate messing with it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > > > > > A fireplace is about the least efficient device imaginable, most of the > heat of the fire shoots up the chimney. A small insert stove would > dramatically increase the heat output. It'd be cleaner too since it would > have a door that would be closed. > > > > Wood is still a messy way to heat. I've had our wood stove lit pretty > much every day this year. We've gone through probably twice as much wood as > normal but its just because I've been home. At the same time we've burned > maybe half as much oil as normal. > > > > It gives me something to do and makes the basement a nice place to sit > with a wobble pop and read. > > > > -Curt > > > > On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:20:07 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via > Mercedes wrote: > > > > > > I like heat pumps. If it comes down to it we also have a wood burning > fireplace. I never use it though as I hate the hassle of messing with it. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > The heat strips are fine, it’s more an issue of a heat pump not > producing the “hot” air people are often accustomed to with gas forced air. > They’re not terribly efficient, either, but that’s the drawback of having a > heat pump. > > > > > > I found it sort of weird with our Indiana house as it has a > conventional gas furnace, so the air that comes out the vents is HOT! > That’s after living in houses with heat pumps for years. > > > > > > -D > > > > > >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie > into your heat pump system. A friend has a heat pump and some sort of > propane system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run > the propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat > strips. > > >> > > >> --FT > > >> > > >>> On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > > >>> And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any > amount of time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of >
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We have a Jotul wood insert which is outstanding. Its been cold, under freezing for a few days for the most part. I heat with my minisplits and the wood insert, but the large 3 zone split stopped working earlier this week. This meant we were running with one 12k split on one end of the house and the wood stove. Still managed to keep the living room in the low 70s. It would fall into the 60s overnight after the insert started to burn low. The failure of the Fujitsu was interesting... I self installed, so assumed no warranty. Initially the failure showed on the indoor units as no communication to the outdoor. The outdoor unit showed no power to the main board, but was supplying power to the indoor units. I found a blown fuse on one power supply board, soldered on. I ordered a new fuse from McMaster, checked the obvious places I could for a short, then soldered it in when it arrived. The unit powered up then, but wouldn't heat and gave a code for the outdoor unit fan after a while, which wasn't spinning. More testing showed 400V DC (!) to the fan connector and open circuit on the fan motor. I ordered up a new fan and installed it yesterday and all is good now. Cost me about $300 to fix. If I did it by the service manual, I would have had to replace the power supply board, the main control board, and the fan. Probably would have been a $2000 repair if I called someone. But its a nice reminder how powerful the Jotul insert is. Worst case, I can run the oil fired steam heat still, but it generally costs a fortune. On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 6:52 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Actually it does have an insert, with a blower etc and it will throw out a > lot of heat. I just hate messing with it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > > > > > A fireplace is about the least efficient device imaginable, most of the > heat of the fire shoots up the chimney. A small insert stove would > dramatically increase the heat output. It'd be cleaner too since it would > have a door that would be closed. > > > > Wood is still a messy way to heat. I've had our wood stove lit pretty > much every day this year. We've gone through probably twice as much wood as > normal but its just because I've been home. At the same time we've burned > maybe half as much oil as normal. > > > > It gives me something to do and makes the basement a nice place to sit > with a wobble pop and read. > > > > -Curt > > > > On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:20:07 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via > Mercedes wrote: > > > > > > I like heat pumps. If it comes down to it we also have a wood burning > fireplace. I never use it though as I hate the hassle of messing with it. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > The heat strips are fine, it’s more an issue of a heat pump not > producing the “hot” air people are often accustomed to with gas forced air. > They’re not terribly efficient, either, but that’s the drawback of having a > heat pump. > > > > > > I found it sort of weird with our Indiana house as it has a > conventional gas furnace, so the air that comes out the vents is HOT! > That’s after living in houses with heat pumps for years. > > > > > > -D > > > > > >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie > into your heat pump system. A friend has a heat pump and some sort of > propane system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run > the propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat > strips. > > >> > > >> --FT > > >> > > >>> On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > > >>> And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any > amount of time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of > breakers around and see what happens. > > >>> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>> > > On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and > see if the problem follows the breaker. I do not have a clamp on meter. > > > > I could also see if I can get into the air handler. > > > > > On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > > > I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat > strips. Heat strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on > ammeter you can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you > would know for sure. > > > > > > Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s > nothing amiss, like something across the heat strips. > > > > > > -D > > > > > >>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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Made a trip to town to the local farm store, they of course were out of them. Drove to the nearest Lowe’s 30 minutes away and of course they were out as well. A different Lowe’s had them but I guess I will go there tomorrow. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin wrote: > > Actually it does have an insert, with a blower etc and it will throw out a > lot of heat. I just hate messing with it. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >>> >> >> A fireplace is about the least efficient device imaginable, most of the heat >> of the fire shoots up the chimney. A small insert stove would dramatically >> increase the heat output. It'd be cleaner too since it would have a door >> that would be closed. >> >> Wood is still a messy way to heat. I've had our wood stove lit pretty much >> every day this year. We've gone through probably twice as much wood as >> normal but its just because I've been home. At the same time we've burned >> maybe half as much oil as normal. >> >> It gives me something to do and makes the basement a nice place to sit with >> a wobble pop and read. >> >> -Curt >> >> On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:20:07 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> I like heat pumps. If it comes down to it we also have a wood burning >> fireplace. I never use it though as I hate the hassle of messing with it. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> > wrote: >> > >> > The heat strips are fine, it’s more an issue of a heat pump not producing >> > the “hot” air people are often accustomed to with gas forced air. They’re >> > not terribly efficient, either, but that’s the drawback of having a heat >> > pump. >> > >> > I found it sort of weird with our Indiana house as it has a conventional >> > gas furnace, so the air that comes out the vents is HOT! That’s after >> > living in houses with heat pumps for years. >> > >> > -D >> > >> >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie into >> >> your heat pump system. A friend has a heat pump and some sort of propane >> >> system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run the >> >> propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat strips. >> >> >> >> --FT >> >> >> >>> On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> >>> And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of >> >>> time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers >> >>> around and see what happens. >> >>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see >> if the problem follows the breaker. I do not have a clamp on meter. >> >> I could also see if I can get into the air handler. >> >> > On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> > I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. >> > Heat strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on >> > ammeter you can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then >> > you would know for sure. >> > >> > Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing >> > amiss, like something across the heat strips. >> > >> > -D >> > >> >>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> >>> wrote: >> >> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. >> >> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the >> >> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it >> >> and its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not >> >> been that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker >> >> was tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and >> >> the breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it >> >> and temp is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In >> >> other words, I need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? >> >> Thought about swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak >> >> but what else could be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting >> >> in the heat strips itself? Not sure if I should investigate and >> >> resolve or just turn in a service request to the home warranty >> >> company. >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >>
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I had a wood stove I put in our old Victorian in Melrose. I put it in a corner in the kitchen in the back of the house and used the old cook stove chimney. It was a cheap knockoff if a Vermont Castings stove i got at the building materials surplus store for like $150. There was a back stairway and I had fans to blow heat up there so i could pretty much keep the upstairs warm that way. I’d stoke it before bed and it would burn most of the night. In The evenings we spent the time in the kitchen then upstairs so I could set the downstairs zone at 60F or so and that was fine. The house had forced hot water oil heat, I had put in a new boiler so that helped efficiency some but the house had minimal insulation, mostly old windows, and was big. I scrounged firewood from all over, the City guys would drop off wood from trees they cut down, so I always had plentiful oak and maple which of course I had to split but that was good exercise. My last winter there the oil bill was $500, the realtor couldn’t believe it. Oil was NOT cheap at the time so I thought that was quite good. I liked the wood heat too, warmed the bones. --FT Sent from iPhone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > A fireplace is about the least efficient device imaginable, most of the > heat of the fire shoots up the chimney. A small insert stove would > dramatically increase the heat output. It'd be cleaner too since it would > have a door that would be closed. > Wood is still a messy way to heat. I've had our wood stove lit pretty much > every day this year. We've gone through probably twice as much wood as normal > but its just because I've been home. At the same time we've burned maybe half > as much oil as normal. > It gives me something to do and makes the basement a nice place to sit with a > wobble pop and read. > > -Curt > >On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:20:07 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via > Mercedes wrote: > > I like heat pumps. If it comes down to it we also have a wood burning > fireplace. I never use it though as I hate the hassle of messing with it. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The heat strips are fine, it’s more an issue of a heat pump not producing >> the “hot” air people are often accustomed to with gas forced air. They’re >> not terribly efficient, either, but that’s the drawback of having a heat >> pump. >> >> I found it sort of weird with our Indiana house as it has a conventional gas >> furnace, so the air that comes out the vents is HOT! That’s after living in >> houses with heat pumps for years. >> >> -D >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie into >>> your heat pump system. A friend has a heat pump and some sort of propane >>> system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run the >>> propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat strips. >>> >>> --FT >>> On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers around and see what happens. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if > the problem follows the breaker. I do not have a clamp on meter. > > I could also see if I can get into the air handler. > >> On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat >> strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you >> can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know >> for sure. >> >> Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing >> amiss, like something across the heat strips. >> >> -D >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. >>> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the >>> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and >>> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been >>> that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was >>> tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the >>> breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp >>> is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I >>> need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about >>>
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
Actually it does have an insert, with a blower etc and it will throw out a lot of heat. I just hate messing with it. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > > A fireplace is about the least efficient device imaginable, most of the heat > of the fire shoots up the chimney. A small insert stove would dramatically > increase the heat output. It'd be cleaner too since it would have a door that > would be closed. > > Wood is still a messy way to heat. I've had our wood stove lit pretty much > every day this year. We've gone through probably twice as much wood as normal > but its just because I've been home. At the same time we've burned maybe half > as much oil as normal. > > It gives me something to do and makes the basement a nice place to sit with a > wobble pop and read. > > -Curt > > On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:20:07 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I like heat pumps. If it comes down to it we also have a wood burning > fireplace. I never use it though as I hate the hassle of messing with it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > The heat strips are fine, it’s more an issue of a heat pump not producing > > the “hot” air people are often accustomed to with gas forced air. They’re > > not terribly efficient, either, but that’s the drawback of having a heat > > pump. > > > > I found it sort of weird with our Indiana house as it has a conventional > > gas furnace, so the air that comes out the vents is HOT! That’s after > > living in houses with heat pumps for years. > > > > -D > > > >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > >> wrote: > >> > >> You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie into > >> your heat pump system. A friend has a heat pump and some sort of propane > >> system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run the > >> propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat strips. > >> > >> --FT > >> > >>> On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > >>> And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of > >>> time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers > >>> around and see what happens. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if > the problem follows the breaker. I do not have a clamp on meter. > > I could also see if I can get into the air handler. > > > On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > > I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. > > Heat strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on > > ammeter you can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you > > would know for sure. > > > > Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing > > amiss, like something across the heat strips. > > > > -D > > > >>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > >>> wrote: > >> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. > >> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the > >> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and > >> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been > >> that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was > >> tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the > >> breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and > >> temp is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other > >> words, I need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? > >> Thought about swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but > >> what else could be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in > >> the heat strips itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve > >> or just turn in a service request to the home warranty company. > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ >
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I have this one: https://www.harborfreight.com/cm610a-600a-t-rms-acdc-clamp-meter-64015.htmlWicked handy, a million household uses. I bought it specifically to troubleshoot the glowplug on the ASV. It proved that it at least draws current. It also helped me find a bad connection in the solar array at camp. Its a good multimeter too. -Curt On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:23:42 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: If there's a Harbor Freight nearby pick up one of these. https://www.harborfreight.com/cm200a-200a-fork-style-clamp-meter-64016.html I saw a review on YouTube compare to a similar Fluke. Had slower response time and build quality was not as robust, but was just as accurate and thought to be a good deal for the casual user. Allan Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes: > Think I should just replace it or swap positions first? I am afraid if it is > the breaker and I go thru the hassle of moving it now the problem will be > with the outside unit or something. There are 3 60 amp breakers and all > involve the heat pump. One is aux heat, one is outside unit and one is inside > unit. I think I will just head to town and get one real quick. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> New breaker would be my first try. They do get weak. If the problem >> persists then diagnose further. >> >> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes: >> >>> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. >>> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the >>> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and >>> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been >>> that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was >>> tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the >>> breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp >>> is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I >>> need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about >>> swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could >>> be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips >>> itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a >>> service request to the home warranty company. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Allan Streib Indiana University Luddy School of Informatics, Computing, and Engineering Digital Science Center | Intelligent Systems Engineering | FutureSystems ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
A fireplace is about the least efficient device imaginable, most of the heat of the fire shoots up the chimney. A small insert stove would dramatically increase the heat output. It'd be cleaner too since it would have a door that would be closed. Wood is still a messy way to heat. I've had our wood stove lit pretty much every day this year. We've gone through probably twice as much wood as normal but its just because I've been home. At the same time we've burned maybe half as much oil as normal. It gives me something to do and makes the basement a nice place to sit with a wobble pop and read. -Curt On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:20:07 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I like heat pumps. If it comes down to it we also have a wood burning fireplace. I never use it though as I hate the hassle of messing with it. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > The heat strips are fine, it’s more an issue of a heat pump not producing > the “hot” air people are often accustomed to with gas forced air. They’re not > terribly efficient, either, but that’s the drawback of having a heat pump. > > I found it sort of weird with our Indiana house as it has a conventional gas > furnace, so the air that comes out the vents is HOT! That’s after living in > houses with heat pumps for years. > > -D > >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie into >> your heat pump system. A friend has a heat pump and some sort of propane >> system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run the >> propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat strips. >> >> --FT >> >>> On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of >>> time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers >>> around and see what happens. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if the problem follows the breaker. I do not have a clamp on meter. I could also see if I can get into the air handler. > On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat > strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you > can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know > for sure. > > Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing > amiss, like something across the heat strips. > > -D > >>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. >> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the >> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and >> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been >> that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was >> tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the >> breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp >> is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I >> need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about >> swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could >> be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips >> itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a >> service request to the home warranty company. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
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Hmmm, ok? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > If there's a Harbor Freight nearby pick up one of these. > > https://www.harborfreight.com/cm200a-200a-fork-style-clamp-meter-64016.html > > I saw a review on YouTube compare to a similar Fluke. Had slower > response time and build quality was not as robust, but was just as > accurate and thought to be a good deal for the casual user. > > Allan > > Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes: > >> Think I should just replace it or swap positions first? I am afraid if it is >> the breaker and I go thru the hassle of moving it now the problem will be >> with the outside unit or something. There are 3 60 amp breakers and all >> involve the heat pump. One is aux heat, one is outside unit and one is >> inside unit. I think I will just head to town and get one real quick. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> New breaker would be my first try. They do get weak. If the problem >>> persists then diagnose further. >>> >>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes: >>> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a service request to the home warranty company. >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > -- > Allan Streib > Indiana University > Luddy School of Informatics, Computing, and Engineering > Digital Science Center | Intelligent Systems Engineering | FutureSystems > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
If there's a Harbor Freight nearby pick up one of these. https://www.harborfreight.com/cm200a-200a-fork-style-clamp-meter-64016.html I saw a review on YouTube compare to a similar Fluke. Had slower response time and build quality was not as robust, but was just as accurate and thought to be a good deal for the casual user. Allan Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes: > Think I should just replace it or swap positions first? I am afraid if it is > the breaker and I go thru the hassle of moving it now the problem will be > with the outside unit or something. There are 3 60 amp breakers and all > involve the heat pump. One is aux heat, one is outside unit and one is inside > unit. I think I will just head to town and get one real quick. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> New breaker would be my first try. They do get weak. If the problem >> persists then diagnose further. >> >> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes: >> >>> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. >>> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the >>> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and >>> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been >>> that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was >>> tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the >>> breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp >>> is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I >>> need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about >>> swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could >>> be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips >>> itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a >>> service request to the home warranty company. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Allan Streib Indiana University Luddy School of Informatics, Computing, and Engineering Digital Science Center | Intelligent Systems Engineering | FutureSystems ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
I like heat pumps. If it comes down to it we also have a wood burning fireplace. I never use it though as I hate the hassle of messing with it. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > The heat strips are fine, it’s more an issue of a heat pump not producing > the “hot” air people are often accustomed to with gas forced air. They’re not > terribly efficient, either, but that’s the drawback of having a heat pump. > > I found it sort of weird with our Indiana house as it has a conventional gas > furnace, so the air that comes out the vents is HOT! That’s after living in > houses with heat pumps for years. > > -D > >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie into >> your heat pump system. A friend has a heat pump and some sort of propane >> system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run the >> propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat strips. >> >> --FT >> >>> On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of >>> time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers >>> around and see what happens. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if the problem follows the breaker. I do not have a clamp on meter. I could also see if I can get into the air handler. > On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat > strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you > can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know > for sure. > > Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing > amiss, like something across the heat strips. > > -D > >>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. >> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the >> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and >> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been >> that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was >> tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the >> breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp >> is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I >> need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about >> swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could >> be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips >> itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a >> service request to the home warranty company. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> -- >> --FT >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
We hardly ever have to run the aux heat, except when real cold. It got up to temp and they turned off but wiki probably kick on occasion. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie into > your heat pump system. A friend has a heat pump and some sort of propane > system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run the > propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat strips. > > --FT > >> On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of >> time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers >> around and see what happens. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if >>> the problem follows the breaker. I do not have a clamp on meter. >>> >>> I could also see if I can get into the air handler. >>> On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know for sure. Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing amiss, like something across the heat strips. -D >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: > It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. > One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the > breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and > its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been > that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was > tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the > breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp > is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I > need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about > swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could > be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips > itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a > service request to the home warranty company. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > -- > --FT > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
Think I should just replace it or swap positions first? I am afraid if it is the breaker and I go thru the hassle of moving it now the problem will be with the outside unit or something. There are 3 60 amp breakers and all involve the heat pump. One is aux heat, one is outside unit and one is inside unit. I think I will just head to town and get one real quick. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > New breaker would be my first try. They do get weak. If the problem > persists then diagnose further. > > Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes: > >> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. >> One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the >> breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and >> its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been >> that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was >> tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the >> breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp >> is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I >> need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about >> swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could >> be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips >> itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a >> service request to the home warranty company. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
The heat strips are fine, it’s more an issue of a heat pump not producing the “hot” air people are often accustomed to with gas forced air. They’re not terribly efficient, either, but that’s the drawback of having a heat pump. I found it sort of weird with our Indiana house as it has a conventional gas furnace, so the air that comes out the vents is HOT! That’s after living in houses with heat pumps for years. -D > On Feb 11, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie into > your heat pump system. A friend has a heat pump and some sort of propane > system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run the > propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat strips. > > --FT > > On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of >> time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers >> around and see what happens. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if >>> the problem follows the breaker. I do not have a clamp on meter. >>> >>> I could also see if I can get into the air handler. >>> On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know for sure. Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing amiss, like something across the heat strips. -D >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: > It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. > One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the > breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and > its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been > that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was > tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the > breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp > is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I > need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about > swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could > be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips > itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a > service request to the home warranty company. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > -- > --FT > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
just put a bent piece of big wire in there until it warms up! -_FT On 2/11/21 6:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: New breaker would be my first try. They do get weak. If the problem persists then diagnose further. Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes: It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a service request to the home warranty company. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie into your heat pump system. A friend has a heat pump and some sort of propane system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run the propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat strips. --FT On 2/11/21 5:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers around and see what happens. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if the problem follows the breaker. I do not have a clamp on meter. I could also see if I can get into the air handler. On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know for sure. Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing amiss, like something across the heat strips. -D On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a service request to the home warranty company. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
New breaker would be my first try. They do get weak. If the problem persists then diagnose further. Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes: > It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. > One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the > breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and > its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been > that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was > tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the > breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp > is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I > need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about > swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could > be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips > itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a > service request to the home warranty company. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers around and see what happens. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if the > problem follows the breaker. I do not have a clamp on meter. > > I could also see if I can get into the air handler. > >> On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat >> strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you can >> use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know for sure. >> >> Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing >> amiss, like something across the heat strips. >> >> -D >> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. One >>> thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the breaker >>> for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and its fine but >>> the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been that cold. When >>> we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was tripped again. I set >>> the temp back to 68 and checked later and the breaker was tripped again. I >>> reset it and just now checked it and temp is now up to 68 and the breaker >>> tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I need to get this addressed. What >>> could be the cause? Thought about swapping out the breaker in case it was >>> getting weak but what else could be the cause? Is it likely something is >>> shorting in the heat strips itself? Not sure if I should investigate and >>> resolve or just turn in a service request to the home warranty company. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if the problem follows the breaker. I do not have a clamp on meter. I could also see if I can get into the air handler. On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know for sure. Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing amiss, like something across the heat strips. -D On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a service request to the home warranty company. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know for sure. Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothing amiss, like something across the heat strips. -D > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. One > thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the breaker for > the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and its fine but the > aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been that cold. When we got > back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was tripped again. I set the temp > back to 68 and checked later and the breaker was tripped again. I reset it > and just now checked it and temp is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a > 3rd time. In other words, I need to get this addressed. What could be the > cause? Thought about swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak > but what else could be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the > heat strips itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just > turn in a service request to the home warranty company. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat
It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week. One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the breaker for the aux heat will be tripped. I usually just reset it and its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been that cold. When we got back I had it set for 65 and the breaker was tripped again. I set the temp back to 68 and checked later and the breaker was tripped again. I reset it and just now checked it and temp is now up to 68 and the breaker tripped a 3rd time. In other words, I need to get this addressed. What could be the cause? Thought about swapping out the breaker in case it was getting weak but what else could be the cause? Is it likely something is shorting in the heat strips itself? Not sure if I should investigate and resolve or just turn in a service request to the home warranty company. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
