Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues
This outfit has good prices. https://www.mercedespartshub.com/ Their vehicle selector only goes back to 1984 but they have these parts for a good price. I'm not sure what outfit this is, dealer maybe. I sent them a message asking about the various connectors and vac line so will wait to hear back. The lines seem to be separate parts but I'm sure generic lines will be fine. That diagram you linked was helpful, I will fire up the winders computer and open up the EPC I have and dig through it for more detail --FT On 4/22/20 11:39 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: And since that line drawing probably didn’t post, here’s a link: http://mb-teilekatalog.info/images/Imgs/BM_IMAGES_ARC/B14001000308.920604.png -D On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: And just to clarify, the 50 degree one is #842, the 17 degree is #849: On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I just checked and it appears that the two thermovalves that are broken off at the fittings are still available and relatively cheap, about $22-$25/each. 000 140 71 60, Thermovalve, opening at 50 degrees 000 140 34 60, Thermovalve, opening at 17 degrees -D On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Looks like someone savaged the vacuum lines. A couple of the vacuum/temperature switches are obviously toast, but can be replaced easily. In #30 there’s some sort of a vacuum/electrical device I can’t identify, but it’s clearly disconnected but may be functional. What I’ve found on a lot of cars like this one is that the vacuum system gets boogered up and some dim bulb decides they can just yank everything and make it work right. Which of course ends poorly. The best approach I have found is to get some bulk (hard) vacuum line and some hose and replace everything in the system. It’s cheap yet time consuming, but if you do’t get this sorted out of the gate you’ll never be able to get things working properly. Hard vacuum line is cheap as wine on ILW, I think I bought 10 meters of the stuff a few years ago for $15, which is almost a lifetime supply for most people. I also have a box of the rubber vacuum fittings of various types along with a few meters of the bulk hose to make up connections. I don’t recall seeing a lot of black cars in the day, so that probably makes it a bit rare. The interior looks pretty good, and the exterior has the usual cruft that all these cars suffer from, unfortunately. Being black they’re not that noticeable, however. If I was prioritizing things on this, I would get the belt installed and then get a vacuum diagram and get all of the vacuum stuff sorted. At least at that point you’ve got a foundation to work from, which you’ll need if you have to mess with the FI at all. -D On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: There are some things you can see in the pics I will need some help with, will deal with that soon. Forgot to mention it has the original radio in it and I think it works, I forgot to check it. Did not get a pic of that, I will add to the folder later today along with some others. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TPKngNrteqcuIk2snudTBdGGtzQW_TmI Per Jaime's comment yesterday, I checked under the intake manifold and found a vac line falling off, the connector is rotted, so that will be something to go through. Probably others too, I'll need to buy a bunch of that stuff I guess. Also you can see in pic 30 this vac thing that has nothing attached to it and I can't tell where it is supposed to be bolted down, will need to figure out whussup wif dat. Looks like I need to dig into the 123 workshop manual and get all the engine diagrams and such. Also in pic26 there are those fittings on the pass side of the block that have nothing attached to them, and you can sorta see where stuff was oozing from what I guess is the head gasket leaking in there. Newish AC compressor, alternator (with munched belt in there), PS pump it looks like. Exhaust muffler, pipes, resonator all new, looked like new boots on the rear axles outboard but the axles did not look newish. Tires pretty new. I don't know if the AC works or not, will have to put the gauges on it and see if has pressure or will hold a vac. For $1300 I guess I can't complain, it runs and looks decent from 20ft. I'll sort out a few issues and see what the DMV are up to these days, get some plates and drive it a bit. Oh, and it has a solid roof! -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues
There are several (non-turbo) 944s for sale in the area that are in the $5k range. Not garage queens, but well maintained and in good general condition for their age. We’ll probably go and look at a couple of them in the next week or two. There’s a later series two model that some puffy shirt buy here/pay here place has that’s a basket case. Story is that it was a charity donation car and when it showed up the head and all the related parts were in a box in the trunk. It’s actually quite nice looking and relatively low miles. Everything appears to be there from the pictures I’ve seen of it. However, they want stupid money ($4k) for it. Nice driver quality examples can be had for a few thousand more, so I’m not sure how they’re attempting to justify the price. We’ll see. -D > On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:14 PM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes > wrote: > > On Wed, April 22, 2020 12:22 pm, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > >> The youngest is on his Porsche 944 kick again, so I might get to live >> vicariously through that if he ever follows through. Not holding my >> breath, though. > > With the asking prices I'm seeing for 944s now, might as well go all the > way and get a 968. I saw a beautiful ragtop a couple of years ago, tan > over dark green, for about $14k. Too bad it wasn't a stick and wasn't a > coupe. > https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/ctd/d/fort-lauderdale-1992-porsche-968-2dr/7099626205.html > > https://denver.craigslist.org/cto/d/broomfield-1995-porsche-968-cabriolet/7108881625.html > > Or if he's looking for a project that will be worth some real money when > completed: > https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/fod/d/1967-corvette-needs-work-corvette/7101566588.html > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues
On Wed, April 22, 2020 12:22 pm, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > The youngest is on his Porsche 944 kick again, so I might get to live > vicariously through that if he ever follows through. Not holding my > breath, though. With the asking prices I'm seeing for 944s now, might as well go all the way and get a 968. I saw a beautiful ragtop a couple of years ago, tan over dark green, for about $14k. Too bad it wasn't a stick and wasn't a coupe. https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/ctd/d/fort-lauderdale-1992-porsche-968-2dr/7099626205.html https://denver.craigslist.org/cto/d/broomfield-1995-porsche-968-cabriolet/7108881625.html Or if he's looking for a project that will be worth some real money when completed: https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/fod/d/1967-corvette-needs-work-corvette/7101566588.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues
As in my previous post, I really enjoy the initial sorting of a car when you first get it. It’s the best part, I think, as you often get things working properly by just putting things back to where they should be. I’m sort of longing for a project these days, but I can’t get motivated to do it and haven’t really seen anything out there that gets me going. The youngest is on his Porsche 944 kick again, so I might get to live vicariously through that if he ever follows through. Not holding my breath, though. -D > On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Geez. Dan is getting off on this car... > BTW, what is ILW for vacuum lines? > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues
It’s especially satisfying (to me, at least) to get everything back to original so you know its right. Call me a purist, but there’s some logic behind that mindset when it comes to things like engines and other systems. You really can’t second guess the guys and gals who designed these things. -D > On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:08 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > Thanks for the info, it looks like it could be a sorta fun and satisfying > effort. I have all those files on the DVDs I bought and loaded on my winders > laptop, and the 123 CDs, I'll have to dig into them and get the pics and such > and do some googling. I guess they are all online too. I'll order some > hoses and fittings and those valves. > > --FT > > On 4/22/20 11:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> This is why I keep a length of bulk hose on hand at all times. The hard >> vacuum lines are often either missing or so brittle that the minute you >> fiddle with them they shatter into a million pieces. >> >> You can get a good idea of what attaches to what just looking at the line >> drawing I linked to, but there should e a vacuum line drawing in the engine >> compartment, I think. If not, you can find them online, too. >> >> These are temperature switches that direct or cut off vacuum to various >> parts of the injection system based on coolant temperature. The switches >> just screw in/out of the block, and if you relive pressure on the cooling >> system can be changed with minimal leakage, if any. These are critical to >> the proper operation of the system, as they affect how it responds based on >> engine temperature. That and vacuum leaks are a BAD THING for any of these >> cars, too. It would be interesting to see if any of the vacuum ports on the >> manifold and injection system are capped off. If not, it’s guaranteed to run >> poorly, if at all. >> >> This is real elementary stuff, so don’t be amazed by it. Again, I can’t >> emphasize enough how important it is to get everything back to original in >> this regard before doing any troubleshooting. For that matter, if you’re >> living right getting everything hooked up properly could very well make it >> work just fine. But until you do, you’re treading water. There’s no way to >> know if the fuel system is working properly until it’s restored back to it’s >> proper working configuration. >> >> I’ve had more than one car that’s been just lousy until I sorted out all the >> hoses and fittings and made them right again. You know how crappy the >> diesels and shifting are if the vacuum isn’t right? Pretty much the same >> concept. >> >> -D >> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Wow, thanks. Those are the things on the block? To what would they then >>> attach? Vacuum? Or to some other part of the FI? And what is that >>> threaded hole in the back for? Looks like some other kind of sensor. >>> >>> I need to get line and fittings I guess, a lot of what’s there could stand >>> to be replaced >>> >>> --FT >>> Sent from iPhone >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I just checked and it appears that the two thermovalves that are broken off at the fittings are still available and relatively cheap, about $22-$25/each. 000 140 71 60, Thermovalve, opening at 50 degrees 000 140 34 60, Thermovalve, opening at 17 degrees -D > On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Looks like someone savaged the vacuum lines. A couple of the > vacuum/temperature switches are obviously toast, but can be replaced > easily. In #30 there’s some sort of a vacuum/electrical device I can’t > identify, but it’s clearly disconnected but may be functional. > > What I’ve found on a lot of cars like this one is that the vacuum system > gets boogered up and some dim bulb decides they can just yank everything > and make it work right. Which of course ends poorly. The best approach I > have found is to get some bulk (hard) vacuum line and some hose and > replace everything in the system. It’s cheap yet time consuming, but if > you do’t get this sorted out of the gate you’ll never be able to get > things working properly. > > Hard vacuum line is cheap as wine on ILW, I think I bought 10 meters of > the stuff a few years ago for $15, which is almost a lifetime supply for > most people. I also have a box of the rubber vacuum fittings of various > types along with a few meters of the bulk hose to make up connections. > > I don’t recall seeing a lot of black cars in the day, so that probably > makes it a bit rare. The interior looks pretty good, and the exterior has > the usual cruft that all these cars suffer from, unfortunately. Being > black they’re not that noticeable, however.
Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues
Geez. Dan is getting off on this car... BTW, what is ILW for vacuum lines? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues
Thanks for the info, it looks like it could be a sorta fun and satisfying effort. I have all those files on the DVDs I bought and loaded on my winders laptop, and the 123 CDs, I'll have to dig into them and get the pics and such and do some googling. I guess they are all online too. I'll order some hoses and fittings and those valves. --FT On 4/22/20 11:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: This is why I keep a length of bulk hose on hand at all times. The hard vacuum lines are often either missing or so brittle that the minute you fiddle with them they shatter into a million pieces. You can get a good idea of what attaches to what just looking at the line drawing I linked to, but there should e a vacuum line drawing in the engine compartment, I think. If not, you can find them online, too. These are temperature switches that direct or cut off vacuum to various parts of the injection system based on coolant temperature. The switches just screw in/out of the block, and if you relive pressure on the cooling system can be changed with minimal leakage, if any. These are critical to the proper operation of the system, as they affect how it responds based on engine temperature. That and vacuum leaks are a BAD THING for any of these cars, too. It would be interesting to see if any of the vacuum ports on the manifold and injection system are capped off. If not, it’s guaranteed to run poorly, if at all. This is real elementary stuff, so don’t be amazed by it. Again, I can’t emphasize enough how important it is to get everything back to original in this regard before doing any troubleshooting. For that matter, if you’re living right getting everything hooked up properly could very well make it work just fine. But until you do, you’re treading water. There’s no way to know if the fuel system is working properly until it’s restored back to it’s proper working configuration. I’ve had more than one car that’s been just lousy until I sorted out all the hoses and fittings and made them right again. You know how crappy the diesels and shifting are if the vacuum isn’t right? Pretty much the same concept. -D On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: Wow, thanks. Those are the things on the block? To what would they then attach? Vacuum? Or to some other part of the FI? And what is that threaded hole in the back for? Looks like some other kind of sensor. I need to get line and fittings I guess, a lot of what’s there could stand to be replaced --FT Sent from iPhone On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I just checked and it appears that the two thermovalves that are broken off at the fittings are still available and relatively cheap, about $22-$25/each. 000 140 71 60, Thermovalve, opening at 50 degrees 000 140 34 60, Thermovalve, opening at 17 degrees -D On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Looks like someone savaged the vacuum lines. A couple of the vacuum/temperature switches are obviously toast, but can be replaced easily. In #30 there’s some sort of a vacuum/electrical device I can’t identify, but it’s clearly disconnected but may be functional. What I’ve found on a lot of cars like this one is that the vacuum system gets boogered up and some dim bulb decides they can just yank everything and make it work right. Which of course ends poorly. The best approach I have found is to get some bulk (hard) vacuum line and some hose and replace everything in the system. It’s cheap yet time consuming, but if you do’t get this sorted out of the gate you’ll never be able to get things working properly. Hard vacuum line is cheap as wine on ILW, I think I bought 10 meters of the stuff a few years ago for $15, which is almost a lifetime supply for most people. I also have a box of the rubber vacuum fittings of various types along with a few meters of the bulk hose to make up connections. I don’t recall seeing a lot of black cars in the day, so that probably makes it a bit rare. The interior looks pretty good, and the exterior has the usual cruft that all these cars suffer from, unfortunately. Being black they’re not that noticeable, however. If I was prioritizing things on this, I would get the belt installed and then get a vacuum diagram and get all of the vacuum stuff sorted. At least at that point you’ve got a foundation to work from, which you’ll need if you have to mess with the FI at all. -D On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: There are some things you can see in the pics I will need some help with, will deal with that soon. Forgot to mention it has the original radio in it and I think it works, I forgot to check it. Did not get a pic of that, I will add to the folder later today along with some others. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TPKngNrteqcuIk2snudTBdGGtzQW_TmI Per Jaime's comment yesterday, I checked under the intake manifold
Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues
This is why I keep a length of bulk hose on hand at all times. The hard vacuum lines are often either missing or so brittle that the minute you fiddle with them they shatter into a million pieces. You can get a good idea of what attaches to what just looking at the line drawing I linked to, but there should e a vacuum line drawing in the engine compartment, I think. If not, you can find them online, too. These are temperature switches that direct or cut off vacuum to various parts of the injection system based on coolant temperature. The switches just screw in/out of the block, and if you relive pressure on the cooling system can be changed with minimal leakage, if any. These are critical to the proper operation of the system, as they affect how it responds based on engine temperature. That and vacuum leaks are a BAD THING for any of these cars, too. It would be interesting to see if any of the vacuum ports on the manifold and injection system are capped off. If not, it’s guaranteed to run poorly, if at all. This is real elementary stuff, so don’t be amazed by it. Again, I can’t emphasize enough how important it is to get everything back to original in this regard before doing any troubleshooting. For that matter, if you’re living right getting everything hooked up properly could very well make it work just fine. But until you do, you’re treading water. There’s no way to know if the fuel system is working properly until it’s restored back to it’s proper working configuration. I’ve had more than one car that’s been just lousy until I sorted out all the hoses and fittings and made them right again. You know how crappy the diesels and shifting are if the vacuum isn’t right? Pretty much the same concept. -D > On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > Wow, thanks. Those are the things on the block? To what would they then > attach? Vacuum? Or to some other part of the FI? And what is that threaded > hole in the back for? Looks like some other kind of sensor. > > I need to get line and fittings I guess, a lot of what’s there could stand to > be replaced > > --FT > Sent from iPhone > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I just checked and it appears that the two thermovalves that are broken off >> at the fittings are still available and relatively cheap, about >> $22-$25/each. >> >> 000 140 71 60, Thermovalve, opening at 50 degrees >> 000 140 34 60, Thermovalve, opening at 17 degrees >> >> -D >> >> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Looks like someone savaged the vacuum lines. A couple of the >>> vacuum/temperature switches are obviously toast, but can be replaced >>> easily. In #30 there’s some sort of a vacuum/electrical device I can’t >>> identify, but it’s clearly disconnected but may be functional. >>> >>> What I’ve found on a lot of cars like this one is that the vacuum system >>> gets boogered up and some dim bulb decides they can just yank everything >>> and make it work right. Which of course ends poorly. The best approach I >>> have found is to get some bulk (hard) vacuum line and some hose and replace >>> everything in the system. It’s cheap yet time consuming, but if you do’t >>> get this sorted out of the gate you’ll never be able to get things working >>> properly. >>> >>> Hard vacuum line is cheap as wine on ILW, I think I bought 10 meters of the >>> stuff a few years ago for $15, which is almost a lifetime supply for most >>> people. I also have a box of the rubber vacuum fittings of various types >>> along with a few meters of the bulk hose to make up connections. >>> >>> I don’t recall seeing a lot of black cars in the day, so that probably >>> makes it a bit rare. The interior looks pretty good, and the exterior has >>> the usual cruft that all these cars suffer from, unfortunately. Being black >>> they’re not that noticeable, however. >>> >>> If I was prioritizing things on this, I would get the belt installed and >>> then get a vacuum diagram and get all of the vacuum stuff sorted. At least >>> at that point you’ve got a foundation to work from, which you’ll need if >>> you have to mess with the FI at all. >>> >>> -D >>> >>> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: There are some things you can see in the pics I will need some help with, will deal with that soon. Forgot to mention it has the original radio in it and I think it works, I forgot to check it. Did not get a pic of that, I will add to the folder later today along with some others. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TPKngNrteqcuIk2snudTBdGGtzQW_TmI Per Jaime's comment yesterday, I checked under the intake manifold and found a vac line falling off, the connector is rotted, so that will be something to go through. Probably others too, I'll need to
Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues
And since that line drawing probably didn’t post, here’s a link: http://mb-teilekatalog.info/images/Imgs/BM_IMAGES_ARC/B14001000308.920604.png -D > On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > And just to clarify, the 50 degree one is #842, the 17 degree is #849: > > > > > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I just checked and it appears that the two thermovalves that are broken off >> at the fittings are still available and relatively cheap, about >> $22-$25/each. >> >> 000 140 71 60, Thermovalve, opening at 50 degrees >> 000 140 34 60, Thermovalve, opening at 17 degrees >> >> -D >> >> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Looks like someone savaged the vacuum lines. A couple of the >>> vacuum/temperature switches are obviously toast, but can be replaced >>> easily. In #30 there’s some sort of a vacuum/electrical device I can’t >>> identify, but it’s clearly disconnected but may be functional. >>> >>> What I’ve found on a lot of cars like this one is that the vacuum system >>> gets boogered up and some dim bulb decides they can just yank everything >>> and make it work right. Which of course ends poorly. The best approach I >>> have found is to get some bulk (hard) vacuum line and some hose and replace >>> everything in the system. It’s cheap yet time consuming, but if you do’t >>> get this sorted out of the gate you’ll never be able to get things working >>> properly. >>> >>> Hard vacuum line is cheap as wine on ILW, I think I bought 10 meters of the >>> stuff a few years ago for $15, which is almost a lifetime supply for most >>> people. I also have a box of the rubber vacuum fittings of various types >>> along with a few meters of the bulk hose to make up connections. >>> >>> I don’t recall seeing a lot of black cars in the day, so that probably >>> makes it a bit rare. The interior looks pretty good, and the exterior has >>> the usual cruft that all these cars suffer from, unfortunately. Being black >>> they’re not that noticeable, however. >>> >>> If I was prioritizing things on this, I would get the belt installed and >>> then get a vacuum diagram and get all of the vacuum stuff sorted. At least >>> at that point you’ve got a foundation to work from, which you’ll need if >>> you have to mess with the FI at all. >>> >>> -D >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: There are some things you can see in the pics I will need some help with, will deal with that soon. Forgot to mention it has the original radio in it and I think it works, I forgot to check it. Did not get a pic of that, I will add to the folder later today along with some others. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TPKngNrteqcuIk2snudTBdGGtzQW_TmI Per Jaime's comment yesterday, I checked under the intake manifold and found a vac line falling off, the connector is rotted, so that will be something to go through. Probably others too, I'll need to buy a bunch of that stuff I guess. Also you can see in pic 30 this vac thing that has nothing attached to it and I can't tell where it is supposed to be bolted down, will need to figure out whussup wif dat. Looks like I need to dig into the 123 workshop manual and get all the engine diagrams and such. Also in pic26 there are those fittings on the pass side of the block that have nothing attached to them, and you can sorta see where stuff was oozing from what I guess is the head gasket leaking in there. Newish AC compressor, alternator (with munched belt in there), PS pump it looks like. Exhaust muffler, pipes, resonator all new, looked like new boots on the rear axles outboard but the axles did not look newish. Tires pretty new. I don't know if the AC works or not, will have to put the gauges on it and see if has pressure or will hold a vac. For $1300 I guess I can't complain, it runs and looks decent from 20ft. I'll sort out a few issues and see what the DMV are up to these days, get some plates and drive it a bit. Oh, and it has a solid roof! -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list
Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues
Wow, thanks. Those are the things on the block? To what would they then attach? Vacuum? Or to some other part of the FI? And what is that threaded hole in the back for? Looks like some other kind of sensor. I need to get line and fittings I guess, a lot of what’s there could stand to be replaced --FT Sent from iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I just checked and it appears that the two thermovalves that are broken off > at the fittings are still available and relatively cheap, about $22-$25/each. > > 000 140 71 60, Thermovalve, opening at 50 degrees > 000 140 34 60, Thermovalve, opening at 17 degrees > > -D > > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Looks like someone savaged the vacuum lines. A couple of the >> vacuum/temperature switches are obviously toast, but can be replaced easily. >> In #30 there’s some sort of a vacuum/electrical device I can’t identify, but >> it’s clearly disconnected but may be functional. >> >> What I’ve found on a lot of cars like this one is that the vacuum system >> gets boogered up and some dim bulb decides they can just yank everything and >> make it work right. Which of course ends poorly. The best approach I have >> found is to get some bulk (hard) vacuum line and some hose and replace >> everything in the system. It’s cheap yet time consuming, but if you do’t get >> this sorted out of the gate you’ll never be able to get things working >> properly. >> >> Hard vacuum line is cheap as wine on ILW, I think I bought 10 meters of the >> stuff a few years ago for $15, which is almost a lifetime supply for most >> people. I also have a box of the rubber vacuum fittings of various types >> along with a few meters of the bulk hose to make up connections. >> >> I don’t recall seeing a lot of black cars in the day, so that probably makes >> it a bit rare. The interior looks pretty good, and the exterior has the >> usual cruft that all these cars suffer from, unfortunately. Being black >> they’re not that noticeable, however. >> >> If I was prioritizing things on this, I would get the belt installed and >> then get a vacuum diagram and get all of the vacuum stuff sorted. At least >> at that point you’ve got a foundation to work from, which you’ll need if you >> have to mess with the FI at all. >> >> -D >> >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> There are some things you can see in the pics I will need some help with, >>> will deal with that soon. Forgot to mention it has the original radio in >>> it and I think it works, I forgot to check it. Did not get a pic of that, I >>> will add to the folder later today along with some others. >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TPKngNrteqcuIk2snudTBdGGtzQW_TmI >>> >>> Per Jaime's comment yesterday, I checked under the intake manifold and >>> found a vac line falling off, the connector is rotted, so that will be >>> something to go through. Probably others too, I'll need to buy a bunch of >>> that stuff I guess. Also you can see in pic 30 this vac thing that has >>> nothing attached to it and I can't tell where it is supposed to be bolted >>> down, will need to figure out whussup wif dat. Looks like I need to dig >>> into the 123 workshop manual and get all the engine diagrams and such. >>> >>> Also in pic26 there are those fittings on the pass side of the block that >>> have nothing attached to them, and you can sorta see where stuff was oozing >>> from what I guess is the head gasket leaking in there. >>> >>> Newish AC compressor, alternator (with munched belt in there), PS pump it >>> looks like. Exhaust muffler, pipes, resonator all new, looked like new >>> boots on the rear axles outboard but the axles did not look newish. Tires >>> pretty new. I don't know if the AC works or not, will have to put the >>> gauges on it and see if has pressure or will hold a vac. >>> >>> For $1300 I guess I can't complain, it runs and looks decent from 20ft. >>> I'll sort out a few issues and see what the DMV are up to these days, get >>> some plates and drive it a bit. >>> >>> Oh, and it has a solid roof! >>> >>> -- >>> --FT >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go
Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues
And just to clarify, the 50 degree one is #842, the 17 degree is #849: > On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I just checked and it appears that the two thermovalves that are broken off > at the fittings are still available and relatively cheap, about $22-$25/each. > > 000 140 71 60, Thermovalve, opening at 50 degrees > 000 140 34 60, Thermovalve, opening at 17 degrees > > -D > > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Looks like someone savaged the vacuum lines. A couple of the >> vacuum/temperature switches are obviously toast, but can be replaced easily. >> In #30 there’s some sort of a vacuum/electrical device I can’t identify, but >> it’s clearly disconnected but may be functional. >> >> What I’ve found on a lot of cars like this one is that the vacuum system >> gets boogered up and some dim bulb decides they can just yank everything and >> make it work right. Which of course ends poorly. The best approach I have >> found is to get some bulk (hard) vacuum line and some hose and replace >> everything in the system. It’s cheap yet time consuming, but if you do’t get >> this sorted out of the gate you’ll never be able to get things working >> properly. >> >> Hard vacuum line is cheap as wine on ILW, I think I bought 10 meters of the >> stuff a few years ago for $15, which is almost a lifetime supply for most >> people. I also have a box of the rubber vacuum fittings of various types >> along with a few meters of the bulk hose to make up connections. >> >> I don’t recall seeing a lot of black cars in the day, so that probably makes >> it a bit rare. The interior looks pretty good, and the exterior has the >> usual cruft that all these cars suffer from, unfortunately. Being black >> they’re not that noticeable, however. >> >> If I was prioritizing things on this, I would get the belt installed and >> then get a vacuum diagram and get all of the vacuum stuff sorted. At least >> at that point you’ve got a foundation to work from, which you’ll need if you >> have to mess with the FI at all. >> >> -D >> >> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> There are some things you can see in the pics I will need some help with, >>> will deal with that soon. Forgot to mention it has the original radio in >>> it and I think it works, I forgot to check it. Did not get a pic of that, I >>> will add to the folder later today along with some others. >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TPKngNrteqcuIk2snudTBdGGtzQW_TmI >>> >>> Per Jaime's comment yesterday, I checked under the intake manifold and >>> found a vac line falling off, the connector is rotted, so that will be >>> something to go through. Probably others too, I'll need to buy a bunch of >>> that stuff I guess. Also you can see in pic 30 this vac thing that has >>> nothing attached to it and I can't tell where it is supposed to be bolted >>> down, will need to figure out whussup wif dat. Looks like I need to dig >>> into the 123 workshop manual and get all the engine diagrams and such. >>> >>> Also in pic26 there are those fittings on the pass side of the block that >>> have nothing attached to them, and you can sorta see where stuff was oozing >>> from what I guess is the head gasket leaking in there. >>> >>> Newish AC compressor, alternator (with munched belt in there), PS pump it >>> looks like. Exhaust muffler, pipes, resonator all new, looked like new >>> boots on the rear axles outboard but the axles did not look newish. Tires >>> pretty new. I don't know if the AC works or not, will have to put the >>> gauges on it and see if has pressure or will hold a vac. >>> >>> For $1300 I guess I can't complain, it runs and looks decent from 20ft. >>> I'll sort out a few issues and see what the DMV are up to these days, get >>> some plates and drive it a bit. >>> >>> Oh, and it has a solid roof! >>> >>> -- >>> --FT >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues
I just checked and it appears that the two thermovalves that are broken off at the fittings are still available and relatively cheap, about $22-$25/each. 000 140 71 60, Thermovalve, opening at 50 degrees 000 140 34 60, Thermovalve, opening at 17 degrees -D > On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Looks like someone savaged the vacuum lines. A couple of the > vacuum/temperature switches are obviously toast, but can be replaced easily. > In #30 there’s some sort of a vacuum/electrical device I can’t identify, but > it’s clearly disconnected but may be functional. > > What I’ve found on a lot of cars like this one is that the vacuum system gets > boogered up and some dim bulb decides they can just yank everything and make > it work right. Which of course ends poorly. The best approach I have found is > to get some bulk (hard) vacuum line and some hose and replace everything in > the system. It’s cheap yet time consuming, but if you do’t get this sorted > out of the gate you’ll never be able to get things working properly. > > Hard vacuum line is cheap as wine on ILW, I think I bought 10 meters of the > stuff a few years ago for $15, which is almost a lifetime supply for most > people. I also have a box of the rubber vacuum fittings of various types > along with a few meters of the bulk hose to make up connections. > > I don’t recall seeing a lot of black cars in the day, so that probably makes > it a bit rare. The interior looks pretty good, and the exterior has the usual > cruft that all these cars suffer from, unfortunately. Being black they’re not > that noticeable, however. > > If I was prioritizing things on this, I would get the belt installed and then > get a vacuum diagram and get all of the vacuum stuff sorted. At least at that > point you’ve got a foundation to work from, which you’ll need if you have to > mess with the FI at all. > > -D > > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> There are some things you can see in the pics I will need some help with, >> will deal with that soon. Forgot to mention it has the original radio in it >> and I think it works, I forgot to check it. Did not get a pic of that, I >> will add to the folder later today along with some others. >> >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TPKngNrteqcuIk2snudTBdGGtzQW_TmI >> >> Per Jaime's comment yesterday, I checked under the intake manifold and found >> a vac line falling off, the connector is rotted, so that will be something >> to go through. Probably others too, I'll need to buy a bunch of that stuff >> I guess. Also you can see in pic 30 this vac thing that has nothing >> attached to it and I can't tell where it is supposed to be bolted down, will >> need to figure out whussup wif dat. Looks like I need to dig into the 123 >> workshop manual and get all the engine diagrams and such. >> >> Also in pic26 there are those fittings on the pass side of the block that >> have nothing attached to them, and you can sorta see where stuff was oozing >> from what I guess is the head gasket leaking in there. >> >> Newish AC compressor, alternator (with munched belt in there), PS pump it >> looks like. Exhaust muffler, pipes, resonator all new, looked like new >> boots on the rear axles outboard but the axles did not look newish. Tires >> pretty new. I don't know if the AC works or not, will have to put the >> gauges on it and see if has pressure or will hold a vac. >> >> For $1300 I guess I can't complain, it runs and looks decent from 20ft. >> I'll sort out a few issues and see what the DMV are up to these days, get >> some plates and drive it a bit. >> >> Oh, and it has a solid roof! >> >> -- >> --FT >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues
Looks like someone savaged the vacuum lines. A couple of the vacuum/temperature switches are obviously toast, but can be replaced easily. In #30 there’s some sort of a vacuum/electrical device I can’t identify, but it’s clearly disconnected but may be functional. What I’ve found on a lot of cars like this one is that the vacuum system gets boogered up and some dim bulb decides they can just yank everything and make it work right. Which of course ends poorly. The best approach I have found is to get some bulk (hard) vacuum line and some hose and replace everything in the system. It’s cheap yet time consuming, but if you do’t get this sorted out of the gate you’ll never be able to get things working properly. Hard vacuum line is cheap as wine on ILW, I think I bought 10 meters of the stuff a few years ago for $15, which is almost a lifetime supply for most people. I also have a box of the rubber vacuum fittings of various types along with a few meters of the bulk hose to make up connections. I don’t recall seeing a lot of black cars in the day, so that probably makes it a bit rare. The interior looks pretty good, and the exterior has the usual cruft that all these cars suffer from, unfortunately. Being black they’re not that noticeable, however. If I was prioritizing things on this, I would get the belt installed and then get a vacuum diagram and get all of the vacuum stuff sorted. At least at that point you’ve got a foundation to work from, which you’ll need if you have to mess with the FI at all. -D > On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > There are some things you can see in the pics I will need some help with, > will deal with that soon. Forgot to mention it has the original radio in it > and I think it works, I forgot to check it. Did not get a pic of that, I will > add to the folder later today along with some others. > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TPKngNrteqcuIk2snudTBdGGtzQW_TmI > > Per Jaime's comment yesterday, I checked under the intake manifold and found > a vac line falling off, the connector is rotted, so that will be something to > go through. Probably others too, I'll need to buy a bunch of that stuff I > guess. Also you can see in pic 30 this vac thing that has nothing attached > to it and I can't tell where it is supposed to be bolted down, will need to > figure out whussup wif dat. Looks like I need to dig into the 123 workshop > manual and get all the engine diagrams and such. > > Also in pic26 there are those fittings on the pass side of the block that > have nothing attached to them, and you can sorta see where stuff was oozing > from what I guess is the head gasket leaking in there. > > Newish AC compressor, alternator (with munched belt in there), PS pump it > looks like. Exhaust muffler, pipes, resonator all new, looked like new boots > on the rear axles outboard but the axles did not look newish. Tires pretty > new. I don't know if the AC works or not, will have to put the gauges on it > and see if has pressure or will hold a vac. > > For $1300 I guess I can't complain, it runs and looks decent from 20ft. I'll > sort out a few issues and see what the DMV are up to these days, get some > plates and drive it a bit. > > Oh, and it has a solid roof! > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues
There are some things you can see in the pics I will need some help with, will deal with that soon. Forgot to mention it has the original radio in it and I think it works, I forgot to check it. Did not get a pic of that, I will add to the folder later today along with some others. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TPKngNrteqcuIk2snudTBdGGtzQW_TmI Per Jaime's comment yesterday, I checked under the intake manifold and found a vac line falling off, the connector is rotted, so that will be something to go through. Probably others too, I'll need to buy a bunch of that stuff I guess. Also you can see in pic 30 this vac thing that has nothing attached to it and I can't tell where it is supposed to be bolted down, will need to figure out whussup wif dat. Looks like I need to dig into the 123 workshop manual and get all the engine diagrams and such. Also in pic26 there are those fittings on the pass side of the block that have nothing attached to them, and you can sorta see where stuff was oozing from what I guess is the head gasket leaking in there. Newish AC compressor, alternator (with munched belt in there), PS pump it looks like. Exhaust muffler, pipes, resonator all new, looked like new boots on the rear axles outboard but the axles did not look newish. Tires pretty new. I don't know if the AC works or not, will have to put the gauges on it and see if has pressure or will hold a vac. For $1300 I guess I can't complain, it runs and looks decent from 20ft. I'll sort out a few issues and see what the DMV are up to these days, get some plates and drive it a bit. Oh, and it has a solid roof! -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
