Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
selling [300D] to him and buying a 240D. What can I expect for fuel mileage for a 240D of the same time. You are already doing very well. The 240D would not do better unless it was a stickshift, and maybe not even then. An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration department. The words dangerously slow tend to come to mind. One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed up some of our highway hills in this State. My 200D kicked its ass up one side of the street and down the other, performing nicely and getting substantially better mileage. Not, lately, better than you're already getting I might add. If you want to change, fine, but don't do it for mileage! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
Thanks for the insights. I am very gentle on my commute. I have a friend who uses my car from time to time And he doesn't do as well as I do. But for 3 mpgs I'm not making the change. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2012, at 7:50 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Really? I always thought a W123 300D turbo was more in the 26mpg average range. I've averaged 28mpg with my '78 240D over the last 21,000 miles which is exactly the same as I got with my '83 240D over 80,000 miles. Thats mostly highway miles. I was thinking that if Peter was getting 2-3mpg more than I thought normal for a 300D that maybe he could average 30mpg with a 240D. I've had both my 240Ds up to 32mpg with very gentle driving but on my normal commute I just can't be bothered. -Curt Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:54:48 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD Message-ID: 20120224165448.a8cfa80b.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Peter Hertzing wrote: Okay... So as long as we are musing miscellaneously, Fuel Mileage. I have a 1983 300D - This thing is nice good shape bought it right, and a friend really would like to buy it from me. I bought it to teach myself about the Mercedes diesel, and that has been a success. As I see fuel prices rise, I am thinking of selling it to him and buying a 240D. What can I expect for fuel mileage for a 240D of the same time. I know it will be super slow - but it would probably do well on my commute. My commute is 45 miles each way - rolling country hills with only 2 complete stops. I drive about 60 MPH. In my 300D i tend to get right at about 28 or 29 MPG. I'm not worried about fun, just economy. I have a Miata to deliver some fun during the spring and fall when the weatherr is perfect. So - share your thoughts. The other thing that appeals to me is the manual climate control in the 240. A W123 240 will probably not do any better. Because the turbocharger increases engine efficiency, reducing the number of cylinders and loosing the turbo will probably cancel out. In my experience, a turbo 300 in good condition can get _better_ fuel mileage than a normally-aspirated 240 - especially above 50 to 55 MPH (80-90 km/h). But I'm with you on the manual heater controls! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
Here's a CL seller who seems to know what he's talking about for once: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html ACC problems fixed presumably for good with the Unwired kit, new $$$ window seals... sounds like a good deal even for $4K if there's no rust. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
One of you guys better snap it up. Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:15 AM Subject: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD Here's a CL seller who seems to know what he's talking about for once: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html ACC problems fixed presumably for good with the Unwired kit, new $$$ window seals... sounds like a good deal even for $4K if there's no rust. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
On 24/02/2012 8:15 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Here's a CL seller who seems to know what he's talking about for once: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html ACC problems fixed presumably for good with the Unwired kit, new $$$ window seals... sounds like a good deal even for $4K if there's no rust. Alex ___ So, is this still NA or is it a turbo? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
On Feb 24, 2012 8:59 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 24/02/2012 8:15 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Here's a CL seller who seems to know what he's talking about for once: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html So, is this still NA or is it a turbo? NA, about 90 hp(?) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
On 24/02/2012 12:11 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Feb 24, 2012 8:59 AM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 24/02/2012 8:15 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Here's a CL seller who seems to know what he's talking about for once: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html So, is this still NA or is it a turbo? NA, about 90 hp(?) Alex ___ That is what I thought. My 76 is 77HP. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
On Feb 24, 2012 12:06 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html That is what I thought. My 76 is 77HP. Not my cup of tea, really--as much I appreciate 123s from an objective engineering point of view they just don't stir my blood (on top of the inadequate performance of a non-turbo car for the conditions I have to drive in). For$ 4K this is more my speed: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/2848846909.html Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
On 24/02/2012 2:48 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Feb 24, 2012 12:06 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html That is what I thought. My 76 is 77HP. Not my cup of tea, really--as much I appreciate 123s from an objective engineering point of view they just don't stir my blood (on top of the inadequate performance of a non-turbo car for the conditions I have to drive in). For$ 4K this is more my speed: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/2848846909.html Alex ___ That red on a wagon does not appeal to me. My 76 is red but the darker cranberry color. I have probably owned more red cars than any other color over my lifetime but somehow that red on the wagon just does not look right to me. Now, if it was on a MB convertible, it would be a different story. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
I had an 84 300CD that really did justice to the model. The original owner was a manager at the Montvale, NJ parts distribution center, and as a result, this car was pimped out in a very stock manner. After I got it and tweaked the ALDA, it would chirp the tires on the 1-2 up shift without significant effort. It was a great car, the only problem being that as my kids got older (and taller!) they could no longer fit comfortably in the back seats. The 300CD in the turbo model is highly underrated, IMHO. Dan On Feb 24, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 24/02/2012 2:48 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Feb 24, 2012 12:06 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html That is what I thought. My 76 is 77HP. Not my cup of tea, really--as much I appreciate 123s from an objective engineering point of view they just don't stir my blood (on top of the inadequate performance of a non-turbo car for the conditions I have to drive in). For$ 4K this is more my speed: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/2848846909.html Alex ___ That red on a wagon does not appeal to me. My 76 is red but the darker cranberry color. I have probably owned more red cars than any other color over my lifetime but somehow that red on the wagon just does not look right to me. Now, if it was on a MB convertible, it would be a different story. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
Not by me. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:29:03 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD I had an 84 300CD that really did justice to the model. The original owner was a manager at the Montvale, NJ parts distribution center, and as a result, this car was pimped out in a very stock manner. After I got it and tweaked the ALDA, it would chirp the tires on the 1-2 up shift without significant effort. It was a great car, the only problem being that as my kids got older (and taller!) they could no longer fit comfortably in the back seats. The 300CD in the turbo model is highly underrated, IMHO. Dan On Feb 24, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 24/02/2012 2:48 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Feb 24, 2012 12:06 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html That is what I thought. My 76 is 77HP. Not my cup of tea, really--as much I appreciate 123s from an objective engineering point of view they just don't stir my blood (on top of the inadequate performance of a non-turbo car for the conditions I have to drive in). For$ 4K this is more my speed: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/2848846909.html Alex ___ That red on a wagon does not appeal to me. My 76 is red but the darker cranberry color. I have probably owned more red cars than any other color over my lifetime but somehow that red on the wagon just does not look right to me. Now, if it was on a MB convertible, it would be a different story. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
Okay... So as long as we are musing miscellaneously, Fuel Mileage. I have a 1983 300D - This thing is nice good shape bought it right, and a friend really would like to buy it from me. I bought it to teach myself about the Mercedes diesel, and that has been a success. As I see fuel prices rise, I am thinking of selling it to him and buying a 240D. What can I expect for fuel mileage for a 240D of the same time. I know it will be super slow - but it would probably do well on my commute. My commute is 45 miles each way - rolling country hills with only 2 complete stops. I drive about 60 MPH. In my 300D i tend to get right at about 28 or 29 MPG. I'm not worried about fun, just economy. I have a Miata to deliver some fun during the spring and fall when the weatherr is perfect. So - share your thoughts. The other thing that appeals to me is the manual climate control in the 240. Peter On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Feb 24, 2012 8:59 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 24/02/2012 8:15 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Here's a CL seller who seems to know what he's talking about for once: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html So, is this still NA or is it a turbo? NA, about 90 hp(?) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
Peter wrote: What can I expect for fuel mileage for a 240D of the same time. About the same, I expect. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
Alex Chamberlain wrote: For$ 4K this is more my speed: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/2848846909.html With branded title and ripped upholstery? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
Zackly my thoughts, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD On 24/02/2012 2:48 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Feb 24, 2012 12:06 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html That is what I thought. My 76 is 77HP. Not my cup of tea, really--as much I appreciate 123s from an objective engineering point of view they just don't stir my blood (on top of the inadequate performance of a non-turbo car for the conditions I have to drive in). For$ 4K this is more my speed: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/2848846909.html Alex ___ That red on a wagon does not appeal to me. My 76 is red but the darker cranberry color. I have probably owned more red cars than any other color over my lifetime but somehow that red on the wagon just does not look right to me. Now, if it was on a MB convertible, it would be a different story. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
Rick Knoble wrote: Peter wrote: What can I expect for fuel mileage for a 240D of the same time. About the same, I expect. Even if he gains 10%, how many years would it take to pay for the costs of moving from a car that he's got sorted out to one he has to sort out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
On Feb 24, 2012 2:36 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: For$ 4K this is more my speed: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/2848846909.html With branded title and ripped upholstery? Well, I was thinking I'd offer $2K and have $2K left to buy some sheepskins and do the standard used-124 suspension rebuild. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
Peter Hertzing wrote: Okay... So as long as we are musing miscellaneously, Fuel Mileage. I have a 1983 300D - This thing is nice good shape bought it right, and a friend really would like to buy it from me. I bought it to teach myself about the Mercedes diesel, and that has been a success. As I see fuel prices rise, I am thinking of selling it to him and buying a 240D. What can I expect for fuel mileage for a 240D of the same time. I know it will be super slow - but it would probably do well on my commute. My commute is 45 miles each way - rolling country hills with only 2 complete stops. I drive about 60 MPH. In my 300D i tend to get right at about 28 or 29 MPG. I'm not worried about fun, just economy. I have a Miata to deliver some fun during the spring and fall when the weatherr is perfect. So - share your thoughts. The other thing that appeals to me is the manual climate control in the 240. A W123 240 will probably not do any better. Because the turbocharger increases engine efficiency, reducing the number of cylinders and loosing the turbo will probably cancel out. In my experience, a turbo 300 in good condition can get _better_ fuel mileage than a normally-aspirated 240 - especially above 50 to 55 MPH (80-90 km/h). But I'm with you on the manual heater controls! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
I suppose there's always the choice of a 190D, or maybe 300D 2.5 Turbo. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
Really? I always thought a W123 300D turbo was more in the 26mpg average range. I've averaged 28mpg with my '78 240D over the last 21,000 miles which is exactly the same as I got with my '83 240D over 80,000 miles. Thats mostly highway miles. I was thinking that if Peter was getting 2-3mpg more than I thought normal for a 300D that maybe he could average 30mpg with a 240D. I've had both my 240Ds up to 32mpg with very gentle driving but on my normal commute I just can't be bothered. -Curt Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:54:48 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD Message-ID: 20120224165448.a8cfa80b.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Peter Hertzing wrote: Okay... So as long as we are musing miscellaneously, Fuel Mileage. I have a 1983 300D - This thing is nice good shape bought it right, and a friend really would like to buy it from me. I bought it to teach myself about the Mercedes diesel, and that has been a success. As I see fuel prices rise, I am thinking of selling it to him and buying a 240D. What can I expect for fuel mileage for a 240D of the same time. I know it will be super slow - but it would probably do well on my commute. My commute is 45 miles each way - rolling country hills with only 2 complete stops. I drive about 60 MPH. In my 300D i tend to get right at about 28 or 29 MPG. I'm not worried about fun, just economy. I have a Miata to deliver some fun during the spring and fall when the weatherr is perfect. So - share your thoughts. The other thing that appeals to me is the manual climate control in the 240. A W123 240 will probably not do any better. Because the turbocharger increases engine efficiency, reducing the number of cylinders and loosing the turbo will probably cancel out. In my experience, a turbo 300 in good condition can get _better_ fuel mileage than a normally-aspirated 240 - especially above 50 to 55 MPH (80-90 km/h). But I'm with you on the manual heater controls! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
