Re: [MBZ] TOOLS -- Cheap endoscope stocking stuffers

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Handy for what?

On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:01 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Ah. I should look at those. iPad would make a better screen
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Dec 15, 2021, at 10:45 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I got a couple of these off the Bay of Es a year or so ago that work
> with iOS devices. I’ve got an old iPad I use with mine. Very handy.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Dec 15, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Direct from the CCP!  Perform your own colonoscopies without the hassle
> of going to the doc!  Or look into those hidden car nooks and crannies!
> >>
> >> Won't work on ifōn but will work on USB and androids of various
> flavors, useful tool for <$10.  I bought a nice subscription phone off
> Amazon for like $35 that I just use for vids and wifi stuff, don't have any
> phone service for it, would work fine with this thing.  I think I am going
> to order one, hard to go wrong for <$10
> >>
> >>
> https://www.dx.com/p/threeinone-usb-industrial-endoscope-7mm-13-million-highdefinition-airconditioning-pipe-mobile-phone-endoscope-2747580.html
> >>
> >> Here's one with a 5m cable for $14 but only has TypeC connector
> >>
> >>
> https://www.dx.com/p/blcr-7mm-6-led-usb-type-c-android-pc-endoscope-with-hardwire-1m-2001488/474062.html
> >>
> >> Or a wifi version for $12.50 that you could use with any device like an
> ipad or ifōn
> >>
> >>
> https://www.dx.com/p/8mm-telefocus-threeinone-highdefinition-endoscope-industrial-pipe-endoscope-wifi-version-mobile-phone-universal-endoscope-2747581.html
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] TOOLS -- Cheap endoscope stocking stuffers

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Ah. I should look at those. iPad would make a better screen 

--FT
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> On Dec 15, 2021, at 10:45 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I got a couple of these off the Bay of Es a year or so ago that work with 
> iOS devices. I’ve got an old iPad I use with mine. Very handy.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Direct from the CCP!  Perform your own colonoscopies without the hassle of 
>> going to the doc!  Or look into those hidden car nooks and crannies!
>> 
>> Won't work on ifōn but will work on USB and androids of various flavors, 
>> useful tool for <$10.  I bought a nice subscription phone off Amazon for 
>> like $35 that I just use for vids and wifi stuff, don't have any phone 
>> service for it, would work fine with this thing.  I think I am going to 
>> order one, hard to go wrong for <$10
>> 
>> https://www.dx.com/p/threeinone-usb-industrial-endoscope-7mm-13-million-highdefinition-airconditioning-pipe-mobile-phone-endoscope-2747580.html
>> 
>> Here's one with a 5m cable for $14 but only has TypeC connector
>> 
>> https://www.dx.com/p/blcr-7mm-6-led-usb-type-c-android-pc-endoscope-with-hardwire-1m-2001488/474062.html
>> 
>> Or a wifi version for $12.50 that you could use with any device like an ipad 
>> or ifōn
>> 
>> https://www.dx.com/p/8mm-telefocus-threeinone-highdefinition-endoscope-industrial-pipe-endoscope-wifi-version-mobile-phone-universal-endoscope-2747581.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] TOOLS -- Cheap endoscope stocking stuffers

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I got a couple of these off the Bay of Es a year or so ago that work with iOS 
devices. I’ve got an old iPad I use with mine. Very handy.

-D

> On Dec 15, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Direct from the CCP!  Perform your own colonoscopies without the hassle of 
> going to the doc!  Or look into those hidden car nooks and crannies!
> 
> Won't work on ifōn but will work on USB and androids of various flavors, 
> useful tool for <$10.  I bought a nice subscription phone off Amazon for like 
> $35 that I just use for vids and wifi stuff, don't have any phone service for 
> it, would work fine with this thing.  I think I am going to order one, hard 
> to go wrong for <$10
> 
> https://www.dx.com/p/threeinone-usb-industrial-endoscope-7mm-13-million-highdefinition-airconditioning-pipe-mobile-phone-endoscope-2747580.html
> 
> Here's one with a 5m cable for $14 but only has TypeC connector
> 
> https://www.dx.com/p/blcr-7mm-6-led-usb-type-c-android-pc-endoscope-with-hardwire-1m-2001488/474062.html
> 
> Or a wifi version for $12.50 that you could use with any device like an ipad 
> or ifōn
> 
> https://www.dx.com/p/8mm-telefocus-threeinone-highdefinition-endoscope-industrial-pipe-endoscope-wifi-version-mobile-phone-universal-endoscope-2747581.html
> 
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[MBZ] TOOLS -- Cheap endoscope stocking stuffers

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Direct from the CCP!  Perform your own colonoscopies without the hassle 
of going to the doc!  Or look into those hidden car nooks and crannies!


Won't work on ifōn but will work on USB and androids of various flavors, 
useful tool for <$10.  I bought a nice subscription phone off Amazon for 
like $35 that I just use for vids and wifi stuff, don't have any phone 
service for it, would work fine with this thing.  I think I am going to 
order one, hard to go wrong for <$10


https://www.dx.com/p/threeinone-usb-industrial-endoscope-7mm-13-million-highdefinition-airconditioning-pipe-mobile-phone-endoscope-2747580.html

Here's one with a 5m cable for $14 but only has TypeC connector

https://www.dx.com/p/blcr-7mm-6-led-usb-type-c-android-pc-endoscope-with-hardwire-1m-2001488/474062.html

Or a wifi version for $12.50 that you could use with any device like an 
ipad or ifōn


https://www.dx.com/p/8mm-telefocus-threeinone-highdefinition-endoscope-industrial-pipe-endoscope-wifi-version-mobile-phone-universal-endoscope-2747581.html

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Re: [MBZ] Tools - HF Boroscope

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I think they only sell them to Sagittarii

--R

On 12/18/15 10:02 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Anyone bought or used one of the sub-$100 horoscopes from Harbor Freight?

I'm thinking about buying one to allow me to get this damned throttle return 
spring back in place.  They look pretty decent, and even have a built in light 
and accessories such as a hook, magnet and mirror

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Tools - HF Boroscope

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Damned autocorrect.

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 18, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think they only sell them to Sagittarii
> 
> --R
> 
>> On 12/18/15 10:02 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Anyone bought or used one of the sub-$100 horoscopes from Harbor Freight?
>> 
>> I'm thinking about buying one to allow me to get this damned throttle return 
>> spring back in place.  They look pretty decent, and even have a built in 
>> light and accessories such as a hook, magnet and mirror
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Tools - HF Boroscope

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Borescope.  Guy at work bought the nicer hazard fraught model, with camera and 
light, said it works pretty slick.  He needed it to look in a wall for hooking 
up a dryer.
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Re: [MBZ] Tools - HF Boroscope

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On 18/12/2015 10:29 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Borescope.  Guy at work bought the nicer hazard fraught model, with camera and 
light, said it works pretty slick.  He needed it to look in a wall for hooking 
up a dryer.


Digital Inspection Camera is what they call it.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Tools - HF Boroscope

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I have the more expensive of the two models they sold a couple of years ago
- it works great where it will fit. It doesn't work so great with the right
angle mirror - I think it's trying to focus on the mirror or something. I
used it when checking the oil pick-up tube in the O-470 Continental and
when cleaning the wing for the installation of a new fuel bladder. For the
latter job, a cheap web cam and a laptop worked better - wider angle of
view.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anyone bought or used one of the sub-$100 horoscopes from Harbor Freight?
>
> I'm thinking about buying one to allow me to get this damned throttle
> return spring back in place.  They look pretty decent, and even have a
> built in light and accessories such as a hook, magnet and mirror
>
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Tools - HF Boroscope

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Dan Penoff wrote:
> Anyone bought or used one of the sub-$100 horoscopes from Harbor Freight?
> I'm thinking about buying one to allow me to get this damned throttle return 
> spring back in place.  They look pretty decent, and even have a built in 
> light and accessories such as a hook, magnet and mirror
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Tools - HF Boroscope

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Dan Penoff wrote:
> Anyone bought or used one of the sub-$100 horoscopes from Harbor Freight?
> I'm thinking about buying one to allow me to get this damned throttle return 
> spring back in place.  They look pretty decent, and even have a built in 
> light and accessories such as a hook, magnet and mirror
> Dan

These look exactly like my Milwaukee borescope that I received as a gift 
several years ago. I just now checked it, and it still works. 
I would guess it is the same tool or a Chinese knockoff.

I'll send it to you (or you can drive up and get it) if you like and you can 
keep it until I need it, which I rarely do.

Gerry


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[MBZ] Tools - HF Boroscope

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Anyone bought or used one of the sub-$100 horoscopes from Harbor Freight?

I'm thinking about buying one to allow me to get this damned throttle return 
spring back in place.  They look pretty decent, and even have a built in light 
and accessories such as a hook, magnet and mirror

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Tools - Sorting Allen (Hex) Wrenches

[Brian Toscano]

You could buy a tool holder that is sized accordingly with sizes clearly
labeled on the holder. That solves both the identification and storage
problem.  Or replace with bits/keys that have the size stamped on them.


On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:19 AM, Kevin Kraly kevinpadd...@gmail.com wrote:

 I had a hanging tool rack with lots of different holes in it.  As I built
 up more of the stacking small parts chests that line the back of my
 workbench, I had to put the wrenches/drivers in a drawer.  It's so much
 harder to find the right size.  I like your idea!  I could even integrate
 it into the side of my bench.

 Kevin in LaPorte, CO

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Re: [MBZ] Tools - Sorting Allen (Hex) Wrenches

[Kevin Kraly]

I had a hanging tool rack with lots of different holes in it.  As I built up 
more of the stacking small parts chests that line the back of my workbench, 
I had to put the wrenches/drivers in a drawer.  It's so much harder to find 
the right size.  I like your idea!  I could even integrate it into the side 
of my bench.


Kevin in LaPorte, CO 



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[MBZ] Tools - Sorting Allen (Hex) Wrenches

[Jerry Herrman]

Slowly, I have been sorting out the fistfuls of drill bits in my machinists 
chests, and, with the help of the three drill gauges (letter, number, 
fraction), I can determine the correct sizes of the ones that are not stamped. 
Or to really waste lots of time, I have used a micrometer to measure them.

I want to now begin sorting the numerous loose hex wrenches that inhabit these 
drawers so that I can discontinue my established practice of using trial and 
error as a method of finding the correct Allen wrench to fit a particular 
application (who was Allen anyway?). I know that there are charts giving the 
various SAE and Metric sizes, such as the charts in the two links below.
Since using a micrometer is far too slow, I would like to find something 
equivalent to a drill gauge that will indicate the size. Is there a way to use 
a drill gauge for this purpose?.
Is there a way to distinguish a metric from an SAE hex wrench?
Any suggestions?

It occurs to me as a write this to ask if there are metric drill bits. I have 
never noticed a drill bit with a metric marking.

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/science/allen-wrench-conversion.htm

http://home.howstuffworks.com/where-find-allen-wrench-size-chart.htm


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Re: [MBZ] Tools - Sorting Allen (Hex) Wrenches

[Michael Canfield]

For the larger ones a 6 point socket set will get the majority of them.

Mike
On May 29, 2013 9:01 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote:

 Slowly, I have been sorting out the fistfuls of drill bits in my
 machinists chests, and, with the help of the three drill gauges (letter,
 number, fraction), I can determine the correct sizes of the ones that are
 not stamped. Or to really waste lots of time, I have used a micrometer to
 measure them.

 I want to now begin sorting the numerous loose hex wrenches that inhabit
 these drawers so that I can discontinue my established practice of using
 trial and error as a method of finding the correct Allen wrench to fit a
 particular application (who was Allen anyway?). I know that there are
 charts giving the various SAE and Metric sizes, such as the charts in the
 two links below.
 Since using a micrometer is far too slow, I would like to find something
 equivalent to a drill gauge that will indicate the size. Is there a way to
 use a drill gauge for this purpose?.
 Is there a way to distinguish a metric from an SAE hex wrench?
 Any suggestions?

 It occurs to me as a write this to ask if there are metric drill bits. I
 have never noticed a drill bit with a metric marking.

 http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/science/allen-wrench-conversion.htm

 http://home.howstuffworks.com/where-find-allen-wrench-size-chart.htm


 Jerry
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Re: [MBZ] Tools - Sorting Allen (Hex) Wrenches

[Greg Fiorentino]

Yes there are metric drill bits.

One way to quickly measure is with a metric/SAE caliper, along with a chart
to convert decimal (SAE) to fractions.  HF has one you can have for $10 with
a coupon from any of the usual mags.  It is certainly accurate enough for
that purpose and faster than a mic.  The idea is to switch the caliper back
and forth from metric to SAE until you match a size.  Most metric Allen keys
are integer sizes.

The tougher trick is then to store them so you can pick the correct size.

Greg

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Subject: [MBZ] Tools - Sorting Allen (Hex) Wrenches

Slowly, I have been sorting out the fistfuls of drill bits in my machinists
chests, and, with the help of the three drill gauges (letter, number,
fraction), I can determine the correct sizes of the ones that are not
stamped. Or to really waste lots of time, I have used a micrometer to
measure them.

I want to now begin sorting the numerous loose hex wrenches that inhabit
these drawers so that I can discontinue my established practice of using
trial and error as a method of finding the correct Allen wrench to fit a
particular application (who was Allen anyway?). I know that there are charts
giving the various SAE and Metric sizes, such as the charts in the two links
below.
Since using a micrometer is far too slow, I would like to find something
equivalent to a drill gauge that will indicate the size. Is there a way to
use a drill gauge for this purpose?.
Is there a way to distinguish a metric from an SAE hex wrench?
Any suggestions?

It occurs to me as a write this to ask if there are metric drill bits. I
have never noticed a drill bit with a metric marking.

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/science/allen-wrench-conversion.htm

http://home.howstuffworks.com/where-find-allen-wrench-size-chart.htm


Jerry
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Re: [MBZ] Tools - Sorting Allen (Hex) Wrenches

[Mitch Haley]

Michael Canfield wrote:

For the larger ones a 6 point socket set will get the majority of them.



Good idea.
A hex key will fit a drill gauge that's 1.155x as big as the key.
Example: 6mmx1.155=6.93mm or 17.5/64 inch. If it's a bit loose in the 9/32 drill 
gauge hole and won't go in the 17/64, it's probably 6mm.


I'd find it faster to use a digital caliper than to do the math.
I paid about $10 for my Harbor Freight / Central Tools caliper, and it switches 
from mm to inch at the touch of a button.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tools - Sorting Allen (Hex) Wrenches

[G Mann]

You need 3 things.

1. Vernier caliper, digital, Harbor Freight.. $9 and change on sale

2. A drill and tap chart that lists all known decimal, number, and letter
drill sizes in both metric and SAE measurements.

3. Some scrap blocks of 2x4 long enough to drill a nice straight line of
holes [or several straight lines of holes] the size of each drill with the
size written in pencil at that hole.
Same for the hex keys The Harbor Freight caliper will measure both in
inch and metric at the push of a button..

Then all you have to do is put the drill or hex key back in the hole it
fits in when you use it.
Problem resolved.

Grant... AZ




On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote:

 Slowly, I have been sorting out the fistfuls of drill bits in my
 machinists chests, and, with the help of the three drill gauges (letter,
 number, fraction), I can determine the correct sizes of the ones that are
 not stamped. Or to really waste lots of time, I have used a micrometer to
 measure them.

 I want to now begin sorting the numerous loose hex wrenches that inhabit
 these drawers so that I can discontinue my established practice of using
 trial and error as a method of finding the correct Allen wrench to fit a
 particular application (who was Allen anyway?). I know that there are
 charts giving the various SAE and Metric sizes, such as the charts in the
 two links below.
 Since using a micrometer is far too slow, I would like to find something
 equivalent to a drill gauge that will indicate the size. Is there a way to
 use a drill gauge for this purpose?.
 Is there a way to distinguish a metric from an SAE hex wrench?
 Any suggestions?

 It occurs to me as a write this to ask if there are metric drill bits. I
 have never noticed a drill bit with a metric marking.

 http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/science/allen-wrench-conversion.htm

 http://home.howstuffworks.com/where-find-allen-wrench-size-chart.htm


 Jerry
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[MBZ] TOOLS EXPLAINED

[Gerry Archer]

Subject: TOOLS EXPLAINED

DRILL PRESS:
A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock
out of your hands so that it  smacks you in the chest and flings your beer
across the room, denting the freshly-painted project which you had care
fully set in the  corner where nothing could get to it.

WIRE WHEEL:
Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench
with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprints and hard-earned calluses
from fingers in less time than it takes to say, 'OH SH --'

SKIL SAW:
A portable cutting tool used to make studs too short.

PLIERS:
Used to round off bolt heads. Sometimes used in the creation of
blood-blisters.

BELT SANDER:
An electric sanding tool commonly used to convert minor touch-up jobs into
major refinishing jobs.

HACKSAW:
One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle... It
transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more
you attempt to influence its course, the  more dismal your future becomes.

VISE-GRIPS:
Generally used after pliers to completely round off bolt heads. If nothing
else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat 
to

the palm of your hand.

OXYACETYLENE TORCH:
Used almost entirely for lighting various inflammable and non-flammable
objects in your shop on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside the
wheel hub out of which you want to remove a bearing race..

TABLE SAW:
A large stationary power tool commonly used to launch wood projectiles for
testing wall integrity.

HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK:
Used for lowering an automobile to the ground after you have installed 
your

new brake shoes, trapping the jack handle firmly under the  bumper.

BAND SAW:
A large stationary power saw primarily used by most shops to cut good
aluminum sheets into smaller pieces that fit more easily into the trash can
after you cut on the inside of the line instead of the outside edge.

TWO-TON ENGINE HOIST:
A tool for testing the maximum tensile strength of everything you forgot to
disconnect.

PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER:
Normally used to stab the vacuum seals under lids or for opening old-style
paper-and-metal oil cans thereby splashing oil on your shirt; but can also
be used, as the name implies, to strip out Phillips screw heads.

STRAIGHT SCREWDRIVER:
A tool for opening paint cans. Sometimes used to convert common slotted
screws into non-removable screws and butchering your palms.

PRY BAR:
A tool used to crumple the metal surrounding that clip or bracket you 
needed

to remove in order to replace a 50-cent part.

HOSE CUTTER:
A tool used to make hoses too short.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent to the
object we are trying to hit.

UTILITY KNIFE:
Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons delivered
to your  front door; works particularly well on contents such as seats,
vinyl records, liquids in plastic bottles, collector magazines, refund
cheques, and rubber or plastic parts. Especially useful for slicing work
clothes, but only while in use.

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Re: [MBZ] Tools - was: Delivery valve seals in process

[Fmiser]

 Curt Raymond wrote:

 I did have to run out and buy a T30 torx bit, I was sure I had
 one...

Heh.  You'll probably find it when you are putting your new one
away.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Tools

[WILTON]

Philips: rounded, torque limiting cross slots.  Reed  Prince: crisp, 
sharp-cornered cross slots - take higher torque than Philips.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com

To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:18 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Tools


There are several questions I have wondered about for years. Emboldened by 
a glass of holiday egg nog fortified with a bump of brandy, I now ask:

1. What is that 19/32 inch wrench for? I've never had a need for it.
2. What (if any) is the difference between a Philips screw/screwdriver and 
a Reed  Prince screw/screwdriver?


Jerry
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Re: [MBZ] Tools

[Jim Cathey]

1. What is that 19/32 inch wrench for? I've never had a need for it.


Anything that needs a 15mm wrench?  19/32 * 25.4 = 15.08

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Tools

[Jim Cathey]

2. What (if any) is the difference between a Philips screw/screwdriver 
and a Reed  Prince screw/screwdriver?


One has sharper edges and is better at punching holes in oil cans.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Tools

[WILTON]

Reed  Prince driver is sharper and better at punching holes.

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools


2. What (if any) is the difference between a Philips screw/screwdriver 
and a Reed  Prince screw/screwdriver?


One has sharper edges and is better at punching holes in oil cans.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Tools

[Hendrik Fay]

Wait till you misplace your 15mm spanner and you'll find out why you 
need a 19/32.


Hendrik
who has both AF and metric tools

WILTON wrote:
Philips: rounded, torque limiting cross slots.  Reed  Prince: crisp, 
sharp-cornered cross slots - take higher torque than Philips.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:18 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Tools


There are several questions I have wondered about for years. 
Emboldened by a glass of holiday egg nog fortified with a bump of 
brandy, I now ask:

1. What is that 19/32 inch wrench for? I've never had a need for it.
2. What (if any) is the difference between a Philips 
screw/screwdriver and a Reed  Prince screw/screwdriver?


Jerry
82 240D





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[MBZ] Tools

[Jerry Herrman]

There are several questions I have wondered about for years. Emboldened by a 
glass of holiday egg nog fortified with a bump of brandy, I now ask:
1. What is that 19/32 inch wrench for? I've never had a need for it.
2. What (if any) is the difference between a Philips screw/screwdriver and a 
Reed  Prince screw/screwdriver?

Jerry
82 240D


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Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I bought the jack in Greece.  I spend a few months in Greece every year where I 
have a 71 220/8.  It is s much easier to buy non China made tools here.  
Facom, Beta, Bellota, Gedore tools abound here.  The 2 floor jacks I own in the 
US  are Chinese.  It is very very difficult to find a non- China jack in the 
US.  Griots Garage has a nice Spanish made low profile 2 ton jack for about 
$400.  I paid 350 euros for my 1.5 ton, long jack here in Greece.  The Griot's 
jack is therefore probably worth the price.
Dimitri

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 2:04 PM

Where did you purchase it, Dimitri?  DO you know of a good deal on a quality
scissors jack for whole-car lifting?



On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 I've been using a chinese floor jack for many years.  It does the job
but
 does not operate smoothly especially when releasing the load.  I bought a
 new made in Italy jack today and WOW what a difference.  Very, very fine
 piece of equipment. It cost 4x the price of the China tool but you get
what
 you pay for.

 --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From: Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 1:23 PM

 Most of HD and Lowes tools are Chinese trashola.  I have a really hard
time
 getting myself to buy chinese hand tools.

 --- On Wed, 12/3/08, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 1:03 PM

 Home Despot had some pretty amazing bargains in their main aisle (not the
 tool corral).  Like std. or metric ratchet sets for $10 or a nice little
 stubby combo (1/4 and 3/8 drive)ratchet for $5.  Great
quality,
 too.

 On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Loren Faeth
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  I never look at lowes tools anymore.  They have always been high
priced.
 I
  guess they changed to a chinese supplier.  Maybe I should look again.
 
 
  At 09:51 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote:
 
  Lowes has some good deals on tools until Dec 8.  3-pack of Kobalt
slip
  joint pliers (nice rubber handles), 4 pack of locking pliers, and
some
  others, for $10.  I kinda like their tools, the handles are easy
on
 the
  hands, and they seem pretty solid.  Better than the HF stuff,
prices
 not
  much different.  They might be $5 next week, who knows with
prices
 these
  days.
 
  --R
 
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Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes

[Luther]

http://www.armstrongtools.com/about/usa.jsp

Luther

dave walton wrote:

Most Sears Craftsman tools are now made in china too. Take a look in
the Snap-On truck and you will see Made in China stickers all over
the place. Who is left?

-Dave Walton
  

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Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.armstrongtools.com/about/usa.jsp


Armstrong used to be the OEM for Sears before the latter cheapened out
and went with another, lower-quality supplier.  I know the Craftsman
Companion line is Chinese made, not sure about the more expensive
Craftsman stuff but it might as well be---it's just not very good
any more.  Anyway, the Armstrong stuff I have seems to be great
quality at about 2/3 the price of SK (or 1/2 that of Snap-On or Mac).

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Most of HD and Lowes tools are Chinese trashola.  I have a really hard time 
getting myself to buy chinese hand tools.

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 1:03 PM

Home Despot had some pretty amazing bargains in their main aisle (not the
tool corral).  Like std. or metric ratchet sets for $10 or a nice little
stubby combo (1/4 and 3/8 drive)ratchet for $5.  Great quality,
too.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Loren Faeth
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 I never look at lowes tools anymore.  They have always been high priced. 
I
 guess they changed to a chinese supplier.  Maybe I should look again.


 At 09:51 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote:

 Lowes has some good deals on tools until Dec 8.  3-pack of Kobalt slip
 joint pliers (nice rubber handles), 4 pack of locking pliers, and some
 others, for $10.  I kinda like their tools, the handles are easy on
the
 hands, and they seem pretty solid.  Better than the HF stuff, prices
not
 much different.  They might be $5 next week, who knows with prices
these
 days.

 --R

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Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes

[dave walton]

Most Sears Craftsman tools are now made in china too. Take a look in
the Snap-On truck and you will see Made in China stickers all over
the place. Who is left?

-Dave Walton

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Most of HD and Lowes tools are Chinese trashola.  I have a really hard time 
 getting myself to buy chinese hand tools.

 --- On Wed, 12/3/08, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 1:03 PM

 Home Despot had some pretty amazing bargains in their main aisle (not the
 tool corral).  Like std. or metric ratchet sets for $10 or a nice little
 stubby combo (1/4 and 3/8 drive)ratchet for $5.  Great quality,
 too.

 On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Loren Faeth
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 I never look at lowes tools anymore.  They have always been high priced.
 I
 guess they changed to a chinese supplier.  Maybe I should look again.


 At 09:51 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote:

 Lowes has some good deals on tools until Dec 8.  3-pack of Kobalt slip
 joint pliers (nice rubber handles), 4 pack of locking pliers, and some
 others, for $10.  I kinda like their tools, the handles are easy on
 the
 hands, and they seem pretty solid.  Better than the HF stuff, prices
 not
 much different.  They might be $5 next week, who knows with prices
 these
 days.

 --R

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Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I've been using a chinese floor jack for many years.  It does the job but does 
not operate smoothly especially when releasing the load.  I bought a new made 
in Italy jack today and WOW what a difference.  Very, very fine piece of 
equipment. It cost 4x the price of the China tool but you get what you pay for.

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 1:23 PM

Most of HD and Lowes tools are Chinese trashola.  I have a really hard time
getting myself to buy chinese hand tools.

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 1:03 PM

Home Despot had some pretty amazing bargains in their main aisle (not the
tool corral).  Like std. or metric ratchet sets for $10 or a nice little
stubby combo (1/4 and 3/8 drive)ratchet for $5.  Great quality,
too.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Loren Faeth
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 I never look at lowes tools anymore.  They have always been high priced. 
I
 guess they changed to a chinese supplier.  Maybe I should look again.


 At 09:51 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote:

 Lowes has some good deals on tools until Dec 8.  3-pack of Kobalt slip
 joint pliers (nice rubber handles), 4 pack of locking pliers, and some
 others, for $10.  I kinda like their tools, the handles are easy on
the
 hands, and they seem pretty solid.  Better than the HF stuff, prices
not
 much different.  They might be $5 next week, who knows with prices
these
 days.

 --R

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Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes

[andrew strasfogel]

Where did you purchase it, Dimitri?  DO you know of a good deal on a quality
scissors jack for whole-car lifting?



On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 I've been using a chinese floor jack for many years.  It does the job but
 does not operate smoothly especially when releasing the load.  I bought a
 new made in Italy jack today and WOW what a difference.  Very, very fine
 piece of equipment. It cost 4x the price of the China tool but you get what
 you pay for.

 --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From: Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 1:23 PM

 Most of HD and Lowes tools are Chinese trashola.  I have a really hard time
 getting myself to buy chinese hand tools.

 --- On Wed, 12/3/08, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 1:03 PM

 Home Despot had some pretty amazing bargains in their main aisle (not the
 tool corral).  Like std. or metric ratchet sets for $10 or a nice little
 stubby combo (1/4 and 3/8 drive)ratchet for $5.  Great quality,
 too.

 On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Loren Faeth
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  I never look at lowes tools anymore.  They have always been high priced.
 I
  guess they changed to a chinese supplier.  Maybe I should look again.
 
 
  At 09:51 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote:
 
  Lowes has some good deals on tools until Dec 8.  3-pack of Kobalt slip
  joint pliers (nice rubber handles), 4 pack of locking pliers, and some
  others, for $10.  I kinda like their tools, the handles are easy on
 the
  hands, and they seem pretty solid.  Better than the HF stuff, prices
 not
  much different.  They might be $5 next week, who knows with prices
 these
  days.
 
  --R
 
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Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes

[Gary Hurst]

sk still around? they chinese too if they are?

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:29 AM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Most Sears Craftsman tools are now made in china too. Take a look in
 the Snap-On truck and you will see Made in China stickers all over
 the place. Who is left?

 -Dave Walton

 On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Most of HD and Lowes tools are Chinese trashola.  I have a really hard
 time getting myself to buy chinese hand tools.
 
  --- On Wed, 12/3/08, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 1:03 PM
 
  Home Despot had some pretty amazing bargains in their main aisle (not the
  tool corral).  Like std. or metric ratchet sets for $10 or a nice little
  stubby combo (1/4 and 3/8 drive)ratchet for $5.  Great quality,
  too.
 
  On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Loren Faeth
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
 
  I never look at lowes tools anymore.  They have always been high priced.
  I
  guess they changed to a chinese supplier.  Maybe I should look again.
 
 
  At 09:51 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote:
 
  Lowes has some good deals on tools until Dec 8.  3-pack of Kobalt slip
  joint pliers (nice rubber handles), 4 pack of locking pliers, and some
  others, for $10.  I kinda like their tools, the handles are easy on
  the
  hands, and they seem pretty solid.  Better than the HF stuff, prices
  not
  much different.  They might be $5 next week, who knows with prices
  these
  days.
 
  --R
 
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Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes

[Rich Thomas]

http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/944701893.html

Rich Thomas wrote:

Here's a good deal on a 2 poster.  Wish I had my shop built.

--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Where did you purchase it, Dimitri?  DO you know of a good deal on a quality
scissors jack for whole-car lifting?



On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  

I've been using a chinese floor jack for many years.  It does the job but
does not operate smoothly especially when releasing the load.  I bought a
new made in Italy jack today and WOW what a difference.  Very, very fine
piece of equipment. It cost 4x the price of the China tool but you get what
you pay for.

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 1:23 PM

Most of HD and Lowes tools are Chinese trashola.  I have a really hard time
getting myself to buy chinese hand tools.

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 1:03 PM

Home Despot had some pretty amazing bargains in their main aisle (not the
tool corral).  Like std. or metric ratchet sets for $10 or a nice little
stubby combo (1/4 and 3/8 drive)ratchet for $5.  Great quality,
too.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Loren Faeth
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:



I never look at lowes tools anymore.  They have always been high priced.
  

I


guess they changed to a chinese supplier.  Maybe I should look again.


At 09:51 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote:

  

Lowes has some good deals on tools until Dec 8.  3-pack of Kobalt slip
joint pliers (nice rubber handles), 4 pack of locking pliers, and some
others, for $10.  I kinda like their tools, the handles are easy on


the


hands, and they seem pretty solid.  Better than the HF stuff, prices


not


much different.  They might be $5 next week, who knows with prices


these


days.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes

[Rich Thomas]

Here's a good deal on a 2 poster.  Wish I had my shop built.

--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Where did you purchase it, Dimitri?  DO you know of a good deal on a quality
scissors jack for whole-car lifting?



On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  

I've been using a chinese floor jack for many years.  It does the job but
does not operate smoothly especially when releasing the load.  I bought a
new made in Italy jack today and WOW what a difference.  Very, very fine
piece of equipment. It cost 4x the price of the China tool but you get what
you pay for.

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 1:23 PM

Most of HD and Lowes tools are Chinese trashola.  I have a really hard time
getting myself to buy chinese hand tools.

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 1:03 PM

Home Despot had some pretty amazing bargains in their main aisle (not the
tool corral).  Like std. or metric ratchet sets for $10 or a nice little
stubby combo (1/4 and 3/8 drive)ratchet for $5.  Great quality,
too.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Loren Faeth
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:



I never look at lowes tools anymore.  They have always been high priced.
  

I


guess they changed to a chinese supplier.  Maybe I should look again.


At 09:51 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote:

  

Lowes has some good deals on tools until Dec 8.  3-pack of Kobalt slip
joint pliers (nice rubber handles), 4 pack of locking pliers, and some
others, for $10.  I kinda like their tools, the handles are easy on


the


hands, and they seem pretty solid.  Better than the HF stuff, prices


not


much different.  They might be $5 next week, who knows with prices


these


days.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:

http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/944701893.html


If you can get a Rotary, Bend-Pak, Snap-On or Ammco for less than a new no-name 
lift, I'd say you're doing OK.


Mitch.


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[MBZ] Tools at Lowes

[Rich Thomas]

Lowes has some good deals on tools until Dec 8.  3-pack of Kobalt slip 
joint pliers (nice rubber handles), 4 pack of locking pliers, and some 
others, for $10.  I kinda like their tools, the handles are easy on the 
hands, and they seem pretty solid.  Better than the HF stuff, prices not 
much different.  They might be $5 next week, who knows with prices these 
days.


--R

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Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes

[Loren Faeth]

I never look at lowes tools anymore.  They have always been high 
priced.  I guess they changed to a chinese supplier.  Maybe I should 
look again.


At 09:51 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote:
Lowes has some good deals on tools until Dec 8.  3-pack of Kobalt 
slip joint pliers (nice rubber handles), 4 pack of locking pliers, 
and some others, for $10.  I kinda like their tools, the handles are 
easy on the hands, and they seem pretty solid.  Better than the HF 
stuff, prices not much different.  They might be $5 next week, who 
knows with prices these days.


--R

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Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes

[andrew strasfogel]

Home Despot had some pretty amazing bargains in their main aisle (not the
tool corral).  Like std. or metric ratchet sets for $10 or a nice little
stubby combo (1/4 and 3/8 drive)ratchet for $5.  Great quality, too.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 I never look at lowes tools anymore.  They have always been high priced.  I
 guess they changed to a chinese supplier.  Maybe I should look again.


 At 09:51 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote:

 Lowes has some good deals on tools until Dec 8.  3-pack of Kobalt slip
 joint pliers (nice rubber handles), 4 pack of locking pliers, and some
 others, for $10.  I kinda like their tools, the handles are easy on the
 hands, and they seem pretty solid.  Better than the HF stuff, prices not
 much different.  They might be $5 next week, who knows with prices these
 days.

 --R

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Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes

[Rich Thomas]

I quit going to HD a few years ago after they refused to replace a 
lifetime guarantee router bit (satisfaction guaranteed!  free 
replacement!), $20, and the parking lot started filling up with nails 
and trash (cutback on sweeping) and Mexicans aggressively begging for 
work.  I took my considerable business to Lowes.  I think the pres of HD 
cashed out for hundreds of million$ after the company tanked, he's now 
begging in DC after a stellar job at one of the car companies.  I keep 
trying to figure out how to get a job like that, so far no luck.


The $10 tool sets seem pretty good, the locking pliers' screws are a bit 
rough, but at $2.50 each I can't complain.  The slip joint pliers are 
pretty nice.  All have good grippy rubber handles and lifetime no 
questions asked free replacement at Lowes.


--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Home Despot had some pretty amazing bargains in their main aisle (not the
tool corral).  Like std. or metric ratchet sets for $10 or a nice little
stubby combo (1/4 and 3/8 drive)ratchet for $5.  Great quality, too.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  

I never look at lowes tools anymore.  They have always been high priced.  I
guess they changed to a chinese supplier.  Maybe I should look again.


At 09:51 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote:



Lowes has some good deals on tools until Dec 8.  3-pack of Kobalt slip
joint pliers (nice rubber handles), 4 pack of locking pliers, and some
others, for $10.  I kinda like their tools, the handles are easy on the
hands, and they seem pretty solid.  Better than the HF stuff, prices not
much different.  They might be $5 next week, who knows with prices these
days.

--R

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[MBZ] Tools for MB

[LarryT]

Saw this in a Harbor Freight catalog - MB Dash Service Tools  $6.99 - 
Ignition lock or Radio removal tools for 92 and newer 140, 129, 202 210 
Plus 2 ignition lock removal tools for 126, 124  201.  Hooks to remove 
instr cluster for 107, 116, 123,124,126, 140  201.

Item # 97901-0BPA  harborfreight.com Catalog key BP1043

They may want some other numbers from the cat cover - I'll probably order 
the above and will post any other reqmnts.

I know we usually make do with a paper clip or home-made tools - perhaps 
these may work better -

Later --

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Re: [MBZ] Tools for MB

[LWB250]

Went into the Harbor Freight store that just opened
about 4 blocks from my house on Sunday.

G-d help me!  I am so glad I am moving soon, as I
don't think my wallet would make it more than a month
or two with that place around.

Dan


--- LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Saw this in a Harbor Freight catalog - MB Dash
 Service Tools  $6.99 - 
 Ignition lock or Radio removal tools for 92 and
 newer 140, 129, 202 210 
 Plus 2 ignition lock removal tools for 126, 124 
 201.  Hooks to remove 
 instr cluster for 107, 116, 123,124,126, 140  201.
 
 Item # 97901-0BPA  harborfreight.com Catalog key
 BP1043
 
 They may want some other numbers from the cat cover
 - I'll probably order 
 the above and will post any other reqmnts.
 
 I know we usually make do with a paper clip or
 home-made tools - perhaps 
 these may work better -
 
 Later --
 
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[MBZ] Tools for MB

[Wilton Strickland]

Dash tools- 'don't see how they could work any better than my 2-cent ones.
'Course the pleasure of my having made them is worth something to me, too.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Tools for MB

[Mitch Haley]

Chuck Homier's home base is in Huntington, and there are two Harbor Freight
stores in Indy, 5703 E 86th St, and 4200 S East St # 12A.

Mitch.

LWB250 wrote:
 
 Went into the Harbor Freight store that just opened
 about 4 blocks from my house on Sunday.
 
 G-d help me!  I am so glad I am moving soon, as I
 don't think my wallet would make it more than a month
 or two with that place around.

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Re: [MBZ] Tools for MB

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no joke, its GREAT

LWB250 wrote:
 Went into the Harbor Freight store that just opened
 about 4 blocks from my house on Sunday.
 
 G-d help me!  I am so glad I am moving soon, as I
 don't think my wallet would make it more than a month
 or two with that place around.
 
 Dan
 
 
 --- LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Saw this in a Harbor Freight catalog - MB Dash
 Service Tools  $6.99 - 
 Ignition lock or Radio removal tools for 92 and
 newer 140, 129, 202 210 
 Plus 2 ignition lock removal tools for 126, 124 
 201.  Hooks to remove 
 instr cluster for 107, 116, 123,124,126, 140  201.

 Item # 97901-0BPA  harborfreight.com Catalog key
 BP1043

 They may want some other numbers from the cat cover
 - I'll probably order 
 the above and will post any other reqmnts.

 I know we usually make do with a paper clip or
 home-made tools - perhaps 
 these may work better -

 Later --

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Re: [MBZ] Tools for MB

[LWB250]

Thank goodness - they're both on opposite sides of
town from me.

I have a big roll around mechanic's chest I built some
years back for my woodworking tools.  I had these
wimpy little hard rubber casters on it I knew would
fail some day, but they were in my junk box at the
time I built it and it didn't get moved around in the
shop much...

I knew there was no way it would make it up the moving
truck ramp, so I figured it was time to pony up and
put some real casters on it.

I went to Harbor Freight and bought 8 ball bearing
rubber tire casters, two fixed and two swivel, with
locks.  Cost me about $45.

Now my box kicks butt.

I started wandering around the store until I saw all
the other guys with a glazed over sort of look on
their faces...after going down a few aisles I
understood why.  I went right to the casters, got what
I needed, and checked out immediately.

I got home and told my teenage son about the place. 
He was suitably unimpressed.  Darn kids these days.

Dan


--- Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Chuck Homier's home base is in Huntington, and there
 are two Harbor Freight
 stores in Indy, 5703 E 86th St, and 4200 S East St #
 12A.
 
 Mitch.
 
 LWB250 wrote:
  
  Went into the Harbor Freight store that just
 opened
  about 4 blocks from my house on Sunday.
  
  G-d help me!  I am so glad I am moving soon, as I
  don't think my wallet would make it more than a
 month
  or two with that place around.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Tools

[Gary Thompson]

Thanks, Larry. The Motive is actually the one I've got my eye on. I
knew it was available direct, but figured I'd ask since I may need
some other stuff soon.


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


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 I bought my Motive power bleeder from http://www.motiveproducts.com/
 Works as advertised -

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Re: [MBZ] Tools

[Dave H...]

Sounds great,  where should I meet you?


Dave H...

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Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:55 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Tools

 Guys,
 
 Where's the bast place to order tools? I've used Tool Wharehouse some
 in the past, but they now charge sales tax here in Texas. Not that
 there's anything wrong with that :^)
 
 Anyone have experience with other sources for things like that brake
 bleeder I see in my future?
 
 
 Gary Thompson
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Re: [MBZ] Tools

[Allan Streib]

Good grief at a glance I thought you wrote Tool Whorehouse...

Specifically for a brake bleeder, there are many places that sell them
but I got mine from GermanAutoParts.com.

  http://www.germanautoparts.com/tools

They are good folks, helpful and friendly.

Allan

Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Guys,

 Where's the bast place to order tools? I've used Tool Wharehouse some
 in the past, but they now charge sales tax here in Texas. Not that
 there's anything wrong with that :^)

 Anyone have experience with other sources for things like that brake
 bleeder I see in my future?


 Gary Thompson
 1995 E320

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[MBZ] Tools

[Gary Thompson]

Guys,

Where's the bast place to order tools? I've used Tool Wharehouse some
in the past, but they now charge sales tax here in Texas. Not that
there's anything wrong with that :^)

Anyone have experience with other sources for things like that brake
bleeder I see in my future?


Gary Thompson
1995 E320

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Re: [MBZ] Tools

[LarryT]

I bought my Motive power bleeder from http://www.motiveproducts.com/
Works as advertised - 

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- Original Message - 
From: Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Tools


 Guys,
 
 Where's the bast place to order tools? I've used Tool Wharehouse some
 in the past, but they now charge sales tax here in Texas. Not that
 there's anything wrong with that :^)
 
 Anyone have experience with other sources for things like that brake
 bleeder I see in my future?
 
 
 Gary Thompson
 1995 E320
 
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Re: [MBZ] Tools

[Rusty Cullens]

http://www.asttool.com/front_page.php



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- Original Message - 
From: Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Tools


 Guys,
 
 Where's the bast place to order tools? I've used Tool Wharehouse some
 in the past, but they now charge sales tax here in Texas. Not that
 there's anything wrong with that :^)
 
 Anyone have experience with other sources for things like that brake
 bleeder I see in my future?
 
 
 Gary Thompson
 1995 E320
 
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Re: [MBZ] Tools

[OK Don]

here's a website with instruction for making a brake bleeder from a
small pressure sprayer from Ace -- works fine, though prices have gone
up since the web page was written.

 
  Anyone have experience with other sources for things like that brake
  bleeder I see in my future?
 

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Re: [MBZ] Tools

[OK Don]

OK - here's the link -- http://www.bmw-m.net/TechProc/bleeder.htm


On Jan 29, 2008 8:58 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 here's a website with instruction for making a brake bleeder from a
 small pressure sprayer from Ace -- works fine, though prices have gone
 up since the web page was written.


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Re: [MBZ] Tools for adjusting front wheel bearings

[Scott Ritchey]

In my experience (comparing a dial gage with feel) the nut setting is
right when you can just feel the slightest movement when you push/pull on
the brake disk.

Scott Ritchey

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools for adjusting front wheel bearings

On 9/14/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Found a dial indicator on eBay which has 0.0001 resolution (quite
 adequate for adjusting front wheel bearings :-) ) for $15. The fellow says
 he has 12, so I thought I'd pass the information along.


http://cgi.ebay.com/dial-indicator_W0QQitemZ200146195835QQihZ010QQcategoryZ2
5272QQcmdZViewItem



I've never done wheel bearings. Don't you need a hook or at least some
way to attach a wire to test the preload?  I can't tell from the
picture whether this item has a suitable fixture.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] Tools for adjusting front wheel bearings

[Mitch Haley]

Scott Ritchey wrote:
 
 In my experience (comparing a dial gage with feel) the nut setting is
 right when you can just feel the slightest movement when you push/pull on
 the brake disk.

That may vary. It's been a while, but I believe my minimum feel is in the
range of .001 to .002. I had no problem adjusting motorcycle valves to
.004-.006 and .008-.010 by feel, and then checking with a go-nogo gauge to
make sure it was in range (It always was). I would not have tried do anything
below .002 by feel, it would have been a waste of time instead of a time-saver. 

If it's a one-off job, instead of one you do daily and develop a feel for,
I'd use proper measuring tools every time. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tools for adjusting front wheel bearings

[Craig McCluskey]

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:38:55 -0400 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 Scott Ritchey wrote:
  
  In my experience (comparing a dial gage with feel) the nut setting
  is right when you can just feel the slightest movement when you
  push/pull on the brake disk.
 
 If it's a one-off job, instead of one you do daily and develop a feel
 for, I'd use proper measuring tools every time. 

Yes, particularly with MB front wheel bearings where the manual is very
specific.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tools for adjusting front wheel bearings

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 9/14/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Found a dial indicator on eBay which has 0.0001 resolution (quite
 adequate for adjusting front wheel bearings :-) ) for $15. The fellow says
 he has 12, so I thought I'd pass the information along.

 http://cgi.ebay.com/dial-indicator_W0QQitemZ200146195835QQihZ010QQcategoryZ25272QQcmdZViewItem



I've never done wheel bearings. Don't you need a hook or at least some
way to attach a wire to test the preload?  I can't tell from the
picture whether this item has a suitable fixture.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] Tools for adjusting front wheel bearings

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:46:34 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 9/14/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Found a dial indicator on eBay which has 0.0001 resolution (quite
  adequate for adjusting front wheel bearings :-) ) for $15. The fellow
  says he has 12, so I thought I'd pass the information along.
 
  http://cgi.ebay.com/dial-indicator_W0QQitemZ200146195835QQihZ010QQcategoryZ25272QQcmdZViewItem
 
 
 
 I've never done wheel bearings. Don't you need a hook or at least some
 way to attach a wire to test the preload?  I can't tell from the
 picture whether this item has a suitable fixture.

You fasten the dial indicator to the brake disk hub with a magnetic base
and put the tip of the indicator on the end of the spindle. Then you grab
the brake disk with both hands and move it in and out. The amount of
movement the dial indicator should show should be about 0.0005. [That's
the gist of what the manual says, anyhow.]


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tools for adjusting front wheel bearings

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:30:24 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 9/17/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:46:34 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   On 9/14/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Found a dial indicator on eBay which has 0.0001 resolution (quite
adequate for adjusting front wheel bearings :-) ) for $15. The
fellow says he has 12, so I thought I'd pass the information
along.
   
http://cgi.ebay.com/dial-indicator_W0QQitemZ200146195835QQihZ010QQcategoryZ25272QQcmdZViewItem
   
   
  
   I've never done wheel bearings. Don't you need a hook or at least
   some way to attach a wire to test the preload?  I can't tell from
   the picture whether this item has a suitable fixture.
 
  You fasten the dial indicator to the brake disk hub with a magnetic
  base and put the tip of the indicator on the end of the spindle. Then
  you grab the brake disk with both hands and move it in and out. The
  amount of movement the dial indicator should show should be about
  0.0005. [That's the gist of what the manual says, anyhow.]
 
 
 Oh, OK, that makes sense.  I get it now.  So where did you get the
 magnetic base?  Same seller?

No, from a different seller. Just search eBay for dial indicator and
you'll get some magnetic bases, too. I don't recall if I also searched
for magnetic base.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tools for adjusting front wheel bearings

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 9/17/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:46:34 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On 9/14/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Found a dial indicator on eBay which has 0.0001 resolution (quite
   adequate for adjusting front wheel bearings :-) ) for $15. The fellow
   says he has 12, so I thought I'd pass the information along.
  
   http://cgi.ebay.com/dial-indicator_W0QQitemZ200146195835QQihZ010QQcategoryZ25272QQcmdZViewItem
  
  
 
  I've never done wheel bearings. Don't you need a hook or at least some
  way to attach a wire to test the preload?  I can't tell from the
  picture whether this item has a suitable fixture.

 You fasten the dial indicator to the brake disk hub with a magnetic base
 and put the tip of the indicator on the end of the spindle. Then you grab
 the brake disk with both hands and move it in and out. The amount of
 movement the dial indicator should show should be about 0.0005. [That's
 the gist of what the manual says, anyhow.]


Oh, OK, that makes sense.  I get it now.  So where did you get the
magnetic base?  Same seller?

Alex

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[MBZ] Tools for adjusting front wheel bearings

[Craig McCluskey]

Found a dial indicator on eBay which has 0.0001 resolution (quite
adequate for adjusting front wheel bearings :-) ) for $15. The fellow says
he has 12, so I thought I'd pass the information along.

http://cgi.ebay.com/dial-indicator_W0QQitemZ200146195835QQihZ010QQcategoryZ25272QQcmdZViewItem


I also got a magnetic base (with on-off switch) for $7.95 and $11.25
shipping.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality

[Allan Streib]

I think that old Mongomery Ward tools are pretty good.  My dad had a
set of combination wrenches and a couple of other items from them,
probably circa 1965 or so, maybe earlier.  The look and feel good, and
work well, and none of them has broken yet.

LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Howdy -- 
 We talked about this issue a week or so ago - we basically said you get 
 what you pay for  - I got a surprise recently.  I bought a 3 draw unit for 
 my toolchest that fits between the top box and bottom box - btw, I highly 
 recommend this method of adding more space.  It is very handy and doesn't 
 require anymore footprint.  Anyway, the original toolchest is one I bought 
 in 1968 from Montgomery Wards when I worked as a VW/Porsche mechanics 
 apprentice way back then -- the new 3 drawer unit is Craftsman -- and the 
 quality is much lower on the Craftsman part.  So far, I have noticed the 
 drawer slides being cranky on the Sears piece - the drawer must be lined up 
 perfectly to go into the housing.  Also, the finish is not as good as the 
 almost 40 years old tool chest.

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Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality

[Allan Streib]

LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I just cut about 35% off my water bill by going to a front loading
 washing machine last month.

Which one did you buy?  I have considered this but the big
front-loaders have gotten so large over the past few years they look
like they'd use as much water as my top loader.

The normal front loaders that you used to be standard (I think about
3.2 cubic feet capacity) look like toys now in comparison to what
Bosch, LG, and Whirlpool are selling.  Do the big front-loaders save
a lot of water compared to a top loader?  It'd take quite a lot of
savings to cover their hefty price tags.

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[LWB250]

Mine was a GE model (I can give you the number if
you're really interested) that retailed around $700. 
I think it has a 3.5 cubic foot capacity, which is
more than adequate for us.  According to the specs, it
uses around 15 gallons of water per cycle, compared
with as much as 45 gallons for my old maytag top
loader.

There was no way I was paying +$1000 for a washing
machine, and this one fit my needs without the big
price tag.  The only differences I could find between
it and the expensive machines was the number of
cycles and slightly more capacity.

I did go with the pedestal, which I'm not sure was
worth it.  It does raise it up to a level where you
don't have to stoop over to get stuff in and out, but
for storage I have yet to find it to be that helpful.

Dan



--- Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Which one did you buy?  I have considered this but
 the big
 front-loaders have gotten so large over the past few
 years they look
 like they'd use as much water as my top loader.
 
 The normal front loaders that you used to be
 standard (I think about
 3.2 cubic feet capacity) look like toys now in
 comparison to what
 Bosch, LG, and Whirlpool are selling.  Do the big
 front-loaders save
 a lot of water compared to a top loader?  It'd take
 quite a lot of
 savings to cover their hefty price tags.
 
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 1966 230
 
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Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality

[Zoltan Finks]

Man, that gives me flashbacks of the statistics class I took to get my
bachelor's degree recently. Is the bathtub curve the bell curve?

Brian
You've just read about all I remember of statistics

Tom wrote:
Some items like light bulbs follow a very predictable curve. Take a 1000
hour light bulb, for example. You'll have a few fail early on, much fewer
fail over time but then when your 1000 hour light bulbs start reaching 1000
hours, they start dropping out fast.

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Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality

[Mitch Haley]

Zoltan Finks wrote:
 
 Man, that gives me flashbacks of the statistics class I took to get my
 bachelor's degree recently. Is the bathtub curve the bell curve?

More like the antithesis of the bell curve. A 'normal distribution' bell
curve peaks at the mean and drops off on both sides. The 'bathtub' as he
describes it, has peaks on both ends and a wide trough in the middle. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality

[Curt Raymond]

My parents replaced their 35 year old refridgerator last year and have been 
stunned by the savings.
Interestingly it seems like the new fridge cycles more often but has a shorter 
cycle. Definately uses like 50% of the power...

On waterheaters I'd imagine the new ones are MUCH better insulated than even 10 
years ago and more than that ago fuggetaboutit. Remember when people were 
setting their houses on fire wrapping hotwater heaters in insulation?

Yay forced hot water heat. Turn on the tap, the furnace fires up and hot water 
is there... Of course it means I'll burn a tank of oil in the summer but I'm 
okay with that.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 19:37:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List
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I guess I look at the difference in cost amortized
over the life of the appliance.  That being
considered, you're talking about less than $10/year
for the difference, which isn't really significant in
my mind.

That also doesn't factor in the cost savings in energy
efficiency.  While I can't imagine water heater
technology has gotten to the point of really major
gains in efficiency over the last 10 years, with other
appliances it is definitely a consideration.

The house is just about 10-1/2 years old, so some of
the appliances are ready to be turned.  I just cut
about 35% off my water bill by going to a front
loading washing machine last month.  I can't begin to
imagine what a difference it will make when we replace
our almost 15 year old side by side refrigerator in a
couple of months

Dan (reducing my carbon footprint)

   
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[MBZ] Tools and Quality

[LarryT]

Howdy -- 
We talked about this issue a week or so ago - we basically said you get 
what you pay for  - I got a surprise recently.  I bought a 3 draw unit for 
my toolchest that fits between the top box and bottom box - btw, I highly 
recommend this method of adding more space.  It is very handy and doesn't 
require anymore footprint.  Anyway, the original toolchest is one I bought 
in 1968 from Montgomery Wards when I worked as a VW/Porsche mechanics 
apprentice way back then -- the new 3 drawer unit is Craftsman -- and the 
quality is much lower on the Craftsman part.  So far, I have noticed the 
drawer slides being cranky on the Sears piece - the drawer must be lined up 
perfectly to go into the housing.  Also, the finish is not as good as the 
almost 40 years old tool chest.

Oh well, in the overall scheme of things it's not a big deal.
;-)

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality

[Zoltan Finks]

Shoot, too bad the quality is not as good.

On the subject, I realized last night that the Durabilt tools I got
for my wedding from Target have a lifetime warranty. This is the tool
set from which the socket broke on an oil pan drain plug.

Too bad a guest at our house threw the socket in the trashcan. I would
have saved it if I was aware of the warranty.

Brian

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Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality

[Tom Hargrave]

A lot of tools have a lifetime warranty, but most don't realize how these
work. When a company sets up a warranty, they factor the cost of
replacements, plus additional profit. They add additional profit because
like it or not, the company will make money on the warranty. And because of
this, a tool or piece of equipment with a long term warranty costs more than
the exact same quality tool with a lesser warrantee  the cost difference is
not justified by just the warranty.

Sears, for example, offered  still offers a lifetime warranty on their
Craftsman line. But the warranty does not indicate that their product is any
better than anyone else's tools. The warranty just states that they will
replace the tool when / if it breaks. And if you compare the price of
Craftsman tools to other name brands, it soon becomes apparent that you are
paying a lot for the name, and for the warranty.

That said, I own a lot of Craftsman tools but I've also broken a lot of
Craftsman tools. But I also have a set of no name wrenches that refuse to
die.

If I were to buy my tools all over again, I'd buy the Kolbalt line offered
by Lowes. They also happen to offer a lifetime warranty but I'd buy them for
the finish.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality

Shoot, too bad the quality is not as good.

On the subject, I realized last night that the Durabilt tools I got
for my wedding from Target have a lifetime warranty. This is the tool
set from which the socket broke on an oil pan drain plug.

Too bad a guest at our house threw the socket in the trashcan. I would
have saved it if I was aware of the warranty.

Brian

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Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality

[Rich Thomas]

Know what the difference is between the 10 yr guarantee water heater and 
the 5 yr guarantee water heater?

About $100, or whatever -- they are the same unit with a longer guarantee.

--R
   

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Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality

[LWB250]

Having just purchased and installed a water heater
last weekend, I would beg to differ with you on
that

Yes, the warranty does work out to about $10/year as
you move up the scale, however, there are also
differences in construction and components as well.

For instance, the 6 year warranty heater I considered
had plain copper elements.  The 12 year warranty
heater ($70 more) had stainless steel.  It also had a
solid state controller that monitors usage and
learns the usage patterns, using them to turn down
the heater when there is no demand expected (like in
the middle of the night.)

I have no idea what the value of the additional items
is from a manufacturing standpoint, suffice to say
that they are probably worth the difference.

Dan


--- Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Know what the difference is between the 10 yr
 guarantee water heater and 
 the 5 yr guarantee water heater?
 
 About $100, or whatever -- they are the same unit
 with a longer guarantee.
 
 --R

 
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Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality

[John M McIntosh]

Ya, consumer reports sawed a bunch in half a year back or so.
They said the 12 year ones were seriously different inside.
Better quality, better durability, better engineering.  In fact price  
versus what you got was way better.

But I do recall they said the  3 versus the 5 year ones were the same.

This did not stop my 12 year GE one from leaking in the first six  
months.
On the other hand they replaced it at no costs for anything that  
afternoon.

On Aug 3, 2007, at 6:15 PM, LWB250 wrote:

 Having just purchased and installed a water heater
 last weekend, I would beg to differ with you on
 that

 Yes, the warranty does work out to about $10/year as
 you move up the scale, however, there are also
 differences in construction and components as well.

 For instance, the 6 year warranty heater I considered
 had plain copper elements.  The 12 year warranty
 heater ($70 more) had stainless steel.  It also had a
 solid state controller that monitors usage and
 learns the usage patterns, using them to turn down
 the heater when there is no demand expected (like in
 the middle of the night.)

 I have no idea what the value of the additional items
 is from a manufacturing standpoint, suffice to say
 that they are probably worth the difference.

 Dan

John
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Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality

[LWB250]

I guess I look at the difference in cost amortized
over the life of the appliance.  That being
considered, you're talking about less than $10/year
for the difference, which isn't really significant in
my mind.

That also doesn't factor in the cost savings in energy
efficiency.  While I can't imagine water heater
technology has gotten to the point of really major
gains in efficiency over the last 10 years, with other
appliances it is definitely a consideration.

The house is just about 10-1/2 years old, so some of
the appliances are ready to be turned.  I just cut
about 35% off my water bill by going to a front
loading washing machine last month.  I can't begin to
imagine what a difference it will make when we replace
our almost 15 year old side by side refrigerator in a
couple of months

Dan (reducing my carbon footprint)



--- John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Ya, consumer reports sawed a bunch in half a year
 back or so.
 They said the 12 year ones were seriously different
 inside.
 Better quality, better durability, better
 engineering.  In fact price  
 versus what you got was way better.
 
 But I do recall they said the  3 versus the 5 year
 ones were the same.
 
 This did not stop my 12 year GE one from leaking in
 the first six  
 months.
 On the other hand they replaced it at no costs for
 anything that  
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Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality

[John M McIntosh]

On Aug 3, 2007, at 7:37 PM, LWB250 wrote:



 That also doesn't factor in the cost savings in energy
 efficiency.  While I can't imagine water heater
 technology has gotten to the point of really major
 gains in efficiency over the last 10 years, with other
 appliances it is definitely a consideration.

Actually they pointed out the insulation was better on the 12 year  
ones, thus decreasing the
carbon footprint.


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Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality

[Rich Thomas]

Good info, I am corrected.  My experience was of some years ago, working 
with some manufacturers -- they just sold a longer warranty on the 
same unit, gaming on how long they would last.  I guess they are either 
smarter now, or more competitive.  Good info to know.

My experience with dishwashers some years ago was that the $500 
KitchenAid had exactly the same guts as the $200 special, except the 
timer had more bumps on it to activate more cycles.  All built in the 
same factory of mostly the same bits. All lasted about the same time 
too.  Not sure now.

--R

LWB250 wrote:
 Having just purchased and installed a water heater
 last weekend, I would beg to differ with you on
 that

 Yes, the warranty does work out to about $10/year as
 you move up the scale, however, there are also
 differences in construction and components as well.

 For instance, the 6 year warranty heater I considered
 had plain copper elements.  The 12 year warranty
 heater ($70 more) had stainless steel.  It also had a
 solid state controller that monitors usage and
 learns the usage patterns, using them to turn down
 the heater when there is no demand expected (like in
 the middle of the night.)

 I have no idea what the value of the additional items
 is from a manufacturing standpoint, suffice to say
 that they are probably worth the difference.

 Dan


 --- Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

   
 Know what the difference is between the 10 yr
 guarantee water heater and 
 the 5 yr guarantee water heater?

 About $100, or whatever -- they are the same unit
 with a longer guarantee.

 --R
 
   
   
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Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality

[Tom Hargrave]

Everything manufactured has a MTBF rating  the rating stands for Mean Time
Between Failure or the expected point at which 1/2 of the units have failed.
I'd expect the 12 year water heater to be manufactured differently since
it's life expectancy is so much different from the 3  5 year units. It also
does not surprise me that the 3  5 year units are built the same and they
probably have the same MTBF. And the real difference between the two? The
warrantee - my point earlier.

As far as the 6 month failure is concerned - all manufactured goods have
some early life failure  that water heater was likely a classic example.

Failures follow a predictable curve called a bathtub curve. You will have
some failures right away, followed by a period of low, random failures. Then
the failures will increase  may level out again at a higher rate or may
continue to climb. Somewhere after this initial climb is the MTBF point.

Some items like light bulbs follow a very predictable curve. Take a 1000
hour light bulb, for example. You'll have a few fail early on, much fewer
fail over time but then when your 1000 hour light bulbs start reaching 1000
hours, they start dropping out fast.

Other seemingly simple items like your Mercedes alternator are really made
of components, each with its own MTBF rating. The front bearing, rear
bearing, regulator, rotor, stator  diode block each have their own MTBF.
I've had a couple of Mercedes alternators rebuilt by a local shop, only to
have a front or rear bearing fail later. Why? Because the shop only repaired
what was broken, the diode block and / or regulator. But the bearings were
not replaced even though they were well into their service life and they
reached their end of life  failed.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality

Ya, consumer reports sawed a bunch in half a year back or so.
They said the 12 year ones were seriously different inside.
Better quality, better durability, better engineering.  In fact price  
versus what you got was way better.

But I do recall they said the  3 versus the 5 year ones were the same.

This did not stop my 12 year GE one from leaking in the first six  
months.
On the other hand they replaced it at no costs for anything that  
afternoon.

On Aug 3, 2007, at 6:15 PM, LWB250 wrote:

 Having just purchased and installed a water heater
 last weekend, I would beg to differ with you on
 that

 Yes, the warranty does work out to about $10/year as
 you move up the scale, however, there are also
 differences in construction and components as well.

 For instance, the 6 year warranty heater I considered
 had plain copper elements.  The 12 year warranty
 heater ($70 more) had stainless steel.  It also had a
 solid state controller that monitors usage and
 learns the usage patterns, using them to turn down
 the heater when there is no demand expected (like in
 the middle of the night.)

 I have no idea what the value of the additional items
 is from a manufacturing standpoint, suffice to say
 that they are probably worth the difference.

 Dan

John
1983 300TDt  386k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
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[MBZ] Tools

[Rich Thomas]

You know you want that new plasma cutter.

--R

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[MBZ] Tools you need

[redghost]

http://makeashorterlink.com/?R4FD312AC

Bunch of tools for $25 if you need to add a few specialized ones
--
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