Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras
Faraday cage bag. They’re very common in the IT and LEO worlds. When you get a mobile device for forensic work the first thing you do is put it in one of these so it can’t communicate. -D > On Jan 31, 2022, at 2:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Could you make a little window screen pouch to keep it in? > Curt > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 3:18 PM, Rick Knoble via > Mercedes wrote: Well it appears to turn off. Most > phones don't have a removable battery, so one really doesn't know. > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: January 31, 2022 1:49 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: astr...@fastmail.fm > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras > > Yeah it's astonishing the amount of privacy we've given up for the sake of > convenience. > > At least you can turn the phone off if you want to. For now. > > >> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022, at 12:02 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: >> Given that we carry cell phones with continuous tracking plus ID, cameras >> don't seem like such a big deal. >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras
Could you make a little window screen pouch to keep it in? Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 3:18 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Well it appears to turn off. Most phones don't have a removable battery, so one really doesn't know. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: January 31, 2022 1:49 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: astr...@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras Yeah it's astonishing the amount of privacy we've given up for the sake of convenience. At least you can turn the phone off if you want to. For now. On Mon, Jan 31, 2022, at 12:02 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > Given that we carry cell phones with continuous tracking plus ID, cameras > don't seem like such a big deal. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras
Well it appears to turn off. Most phones don't have a removable battery, so one really doesn't know. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: January 31, 2022 1:49 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: astr...@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras Yeah it's astonishing the amount of privacy we've given up for the sake of convenience. At least you can turn the phone off if you want to. For now. On Mon, Jan 31, 2022, at 12:02 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > Given that we carry cell phones with continuous tracking plus ID, cameras > don't seem like such a big deal. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras
Yeah it's astonishing the amount of privacy we've given up for the sake of convenience. At least you can turn the phone off if you want to. For now. On Mon, Jan 31, 2022, at 12:02 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > Given that we carry cell phones with continuous tracking plus ID, cameras > don't seem like such a big deal. > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 2:15 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Allan Streib > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras > > Chicago just had a case where a license plate scanner spotted a car that had > been reported stolen in a carjacking. The police stopped it and a shootout > ensued. These are going up all over the area, you will not be able to drive > on any major road without being tracked in real time. > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2022, at 11:55 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: >> Don't seem very popular in UK, but what about USA? >> >> >> > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1047/The-speed-camera-nightmare > -thats-coming-America.html >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras
OMG my overdue library books will come back to haunt me... On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 12:03 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Given that we carry cell phones with continuous tracking plus ID, cameras > don't seem like such a big deal. > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 2:15 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Allan Streib > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras > > Chicago just had a case where a license plate scanner spotted a car that > had > been reported stolen in a carjacking. The police stopped it and a shootout > ensued. These are going up all over the area, you will not be able to drive > on any major road without being tracked in real time. > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2022, at 11:55 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: > > Don't seem very popular in UK, but what about USA? > > > > > > > > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1047/The-speed-camera-nightmare > -thats-coming-America.html > <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1047/The-speed-camera-nightmare-thats-coming-America.html> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras
Given that we carry cell phones with continuous tracking plus ID, cameras don't seem like such a big deal. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 2:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Allan Streib Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras Chicago just had a case where a license plate scanner spotted a car that had been reported stolen in a carjacking. The police stopped it and a shootout ensued. These are going up all over the area, you will not be able to drive on any major road without being tracked in real time. On Sun, Jan 30, 2022, at 11:55 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: > Don't seem very popular in UK, but what about USA? > > > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1047/The-speed-camera-nightmare -thats-coming-America.html > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras
The Pittsburgh bus on the tumbled down bridge was riddled with nine cameras. It will be used to see why the recent infrastructure boondoggle caused the bridge to collapse as a photo op for the current resident. Clay > On Jan 30, 2022, at 10:25 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Very unpopular in the UK and have been for years. > > One time when I was there in the 90s I saw a traffic/speed camera that > someone had tossed a tyre filled with something flammable over it. It was > burning like a huge torch. The guy I was riding with said he saw things like > this on a fairly regular basis. A lot of people were pissed off about them. > > -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras
We have road cameras but speed monitoring by camera is illegal in SC. Some years ago there was a speed trap town that included some of I-95 down near the Jawja border and after various lawsuits they were made illegal but the legislature --FT On 1/30/22 2:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Very unpopular in the UK and have been for years. One time when I was there in the 90s I saw a traffic/speed camera that someone had tossed a tyre filled with something flammable over it. It was burning like a huge torch. The guy I was riding with said he saw things like this on a fairly regular basis. A lot of people were pissed off about them. -D From: Mercedes on behalf of mitch--- via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 11:55 AM To:mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc:mi...@mitchellhaley.com Subject: [MBZ] Speed cameras Don't seem very popular in UK, but what about USA? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1047/The-speed-camera-nightmare-thats-coming-America.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras
Very unpopular in the UK and have been for years. One time when I was there in the 90s I saw a traffic/speed camera that someone had tossed a tyre filled with something flammable over it. It was burning like a huge torch. The guy I was riding with said he saw things like this on a fairly regular basis. A lot of people were pissed off about them. -D From: Mercedes on behalf of mitch--- via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 11:55 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com Subject: [MBZ] Speed cameras Don't seem very popular in UK, but what about USA? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1047/The-speed-camera-nightmare-thats-coming-America.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras
Chicago just had a case where a license plate scanner spotted a car that had been reported stolen in a carjacking. The police stopped it and a shootout ensued. These are going up all over the area, you will not be able to drive on any major road without being tracked in real time. On Sun, Jan 30, 2022, at 11:55 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: > Don't seem very popular in UK, but what about USA? > > > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1047/The-speed-camera-nightmare-thats-coming-America.html > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras
I say either enforce the heck out of the speed limits, or abolish them. this middle ground, "We have a law but don't want to know who violates it" is crap. On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 10:56 AM mitch--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Don't seem very popular in UK, but what about USA? > > > > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1047/The-speed-camera-nightmare-thats-coming-America.html > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Speed cameras
Don't seem very popular in UK, but what about USA? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1047/The-speed-camera-nightmare-thats-coming-America.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Speed trap
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Re: [MBZ] Speed
On 13/05/2012 8:19 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Despite the Ugly American on the road, we as a nation can boast one of the lowest motor vehicle mortality rates in the world. Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Brian Toscanobrian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Those people aren't safe at any speed. That law has been on the books before text messaging existed. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Your average American isn't hardly paying attention at all while driving, they text, do their makeup, eat with a knife and fork, smoke and drink coffee at the same time and generally ignore the road. Do you think those people are safe at 80mph? The speed limit is for the lowest common denominator, at night, in the rain, when they're tired. Because yes they're too stupid to slow down. -Curt Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:28:53 -0600 From: Brian Toscanobrian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speed Message-ID: CACnCPhnFGpt39=k-agpbpq0ljxro7a3dxu9tjrberohnqaq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 While I don't suggest exceeding the speed limit by 50%, some states have draconian speed limit laws which help foster a belief that that speed limit laws are stupid. Take VA for example - anything 80MPH and over is considered reckless driving, even though the state has a maximum speed limit of 70MPH. On the flip side, Montana thumbed their nose at the federal government when it comes to speed limits. Back when the national speed limit was 55 MPH, to comply with federal law, Montana made it a $5 fine. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Jim Catheyj...@windwireless.net wrote: I went through this with some of my classmates in high school, it doesn't matter what YOU THINK a reasonable speed is, there is a posted speed which is the law. Yes, maybe. But then, how were the original speed limits set in the first place? They watched the roads, and set them at the speed at which most people were driving. Interesting, eh? -- Jim Unfortunately, there is some need to respect the lowest common denominator. Some people are just plain lousy drivers and in order to prevent them killing us or vice versa, we must all travel slower just to avoid the carnage that would no doubt otherwise ensue. I go to the lake about a dozen times each summer. The speed limit is 100 kph (62 mph) from Winnipeg to the Ontario border. Then it drops to 90 kph (abut 55 mph) until I am about 8 miles east of Kenora. Then the last 45 miles or so is an 80 kph (50 mph). There is nothing wrong with the road. I could run the whole length of it safely at 75 mph (and occasionally do). There is one corner where I might slow down a bit but apart from that it is fine and that is with my truck. If I were driving a car, I could likely do it even faster. They have re-worked it a few times in the past 40 years and it is much straighter than it used to be. I do not know why the powers that be insist it must be a slow road. Apparently, the Province of Ontario has a policy that 4 lane roads are allowed x, and main 2 lane roads, y, and everything else is considered a secondary road and must therefore be slower. The only good thing is that they have disposed of so many police officers that there is rarely any enforcement out there. I did get a ticket on that road about 4 years ago but I was just unlucky that day. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed
You are such a douche. You cut off too much of my post: I went through this with some of my classmates in high school, it doesn't matter what YOU THINK a reasonable speed is, there is a posted speed which is the law. Exceeding that posted speed by more than 50% (I can't remember when Maine went to 65mph but around Portland its still 55) will (as it ought to) result in a ticket. Saying that if you go exceed the speed limit a ticket shouldn't be surprising. -Curt Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 22:06:47 -0400 (EDT) From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speed Message-ID: 22735.5002f500.3ce07...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII ...I went through this with some of my classmates in high school, it doesn't matter what YOU THINK a reasonable speed is, there is a posted speed which is the law. Exceeding that posted speed by more than 50%.. So you are saying that in a posted 60mph zone, anything up to 90mph is OK, then. It is to laugh. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed
I went through this with some of my classmates in high school, it doesn't matter what YOU THINK a reasonable speed is, there is a posted speed which is the law. Yes, maybe. But then, how were the original speed limits set in the first place? They watched the roads, and set them at the speed at which most people were driving. Interesting, eh? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed
While I don't suggest exceeding the speed limit by 50%, some states have draconian speed limit laws which help foster a belief that that speed limit laws are stupid. Take VA for example - anything 80MPH and over is considered reckless driving, even though the state has a maximum speed limit of 70MPH. On the flip side, Montana thumbed their nose at the federal government when it comes to speed limits. Back when the national speed limit was 55 MPH, to comply with federal law, Montana made it a $5 fine. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I went through this with some of my classmates in high school, it doesn't matter what YOU THINK a reasonable speed is, there is a posted speed which is the law. Yes, maybe. But then, how were the original speed limits set in the first place? They watched the roads, and set them at the speed at which most people were driving. Interesting, eh? -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Speaking of I-95 -- it usually moves along (where it moves along) at 80 or so. What is interesting is that the further north you go, the more nannyism appears -- crossing the border into NC from SC you see a few signs warning of dire consequences, crossing from NC to VA there are like 6 signs within a quarter-mile -- seatbelts! speed cops! speed aircraft! littering! blahblah. Then even further up -- radar detectors! (that one might be in VA too, I can't recall) etc etc. --R On 5/13/12 2:28 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Take VA for example - anything 80MPH and over is considered reckless driving, even though the state has a maximum speed limit of 70MPH. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, VA and DC are the only two jurisdictions in the country where radar detectors are illegal. Basically if you think along the lines of VA hates people and hates cars more you're not far off. Did you know that in VA if they sent your tax bill to the wrong address, send you a bill for the incorrect amount, or mess up your income taxes, you are liable for penalties and interest from the date the tax is due. Its a worthless state that's still fighting the Civil War, hates gays, and hates women. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Speaking of I-95 -- it usually moves along (where it moves along) at 80 or so. What is interesting is that the further north you go, the more nannyism appears -- crossing the border into NC from SC you see a few signs warning of dire consequences, crossing from NC to VA there are like 6 signs within a quarter-mile -- seatbelts! speed cops! speed aircraft! littering! blahblah. Then even further up -- radar detectors! (that one might be in VA too, I can't recall) etc etc. --R On 5/13/12 2:28 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Take VA for example - anything 80MPH and over is considered reckless driving, even though the state has a maximum speed limit of 70MPH. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, maybe. But then, how were the original speed limits set in the first place? They watched the roads, and set them at the speed at which most people were driving. Interesting, eh? -- Jim yes, in 1932 or so. The technology to go fast was much different then, as were the road widths, the road surface, lip curbs, and the radius of corners. Setting speed limits in this century based on a Model A ford is ludicrous, thus the fraudulent income generating system for states and municipalities. Now the gotcha cams are proliferating like mosquitos in a swamp. Totally unconstitutional. http://www.banthecams.org/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On the flip side, Montana thumbed their nose at the federal government when it comes to speed limits. Back when the national speed limit was 55 MPH, to comply with federal law, Montana made it a $5 fine. And better yet, it was unreported. You just give the oncifer a Lincoln and say thank you and you are on your way. I still have good vibes for Montana over that! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What I like best about Montana is the attitude if you don't like our laws, don't come here. In other states, not all speeding tickets will show up on your license. It depends on the where and the circumstances. In New Mexico, rural speeding tickets generally are not reported, at least on the interstate. That and a lack of law enforcement probably explains why people cruise on I-25 over 100 MPH in the middle of nowhere. In Knoxville, TN the city has something called interstate speeding where if you are stopped by a city cop at less than 75 MPH on the interstate, it is considered a fine that is not reported to the state (which actually violates state law, but that's a whole other matter...) Other states will not post out of state violations to your driving record. With these companies buying public records though, it may still show up at some point somewhere else. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: On the flip side, Montana thumbed their nose at the federal government when it comes to speed limits. Back when the national speed limit was 55 MPH, to comply with federal law, Montana made it a $5 fine. And better yet, it was unreported. You just give the oncifer a Lincoln and say thank you and you are on your way. I still have good vibes for Montana over that! __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Your average American isn't hardly paying attention at all while driving, they text, do their makeup, eat with a knife and fork, smoke and drink coffee at the same time and generally ignore the road. Do you think those people are safe at 80mph? The speed limit is for the lowest common denominator, at night, in the rain, when they're tired. Because yes they're too stupid to slow down. -Curt Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:28:53 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speed Message-ID: CACnCPhnFGpt39=k-agpbpq0ljxro7a3dxu9tjrberohnqaq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 While I don't suggest exceeding the speed limit by 50%, some states have draconian speed limit laws which help foster a belief that that speed limit laws are stupid. Take VA for example - anything 80MPH and over is considered reckless driving, even though the state has a maximum speed limit of 70MPH. On the flip side, Montana thumbed their nose at the federal government when it comes to speed limits. Back when the national speed limit was 55 MPH, to comply with federal law, Montana made it a $5 fine. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I went through this with some of my classmates in high school, it doesn't matter what YOU THINK a reasonable speed is, there is a posted speed which is the law. Yes, maybe. But then, how were the original speed limits set in the first place? They watched the roads, and set them at the speed at which most people were driving. Interesting, eh? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Those people aren't safe at any speed. That law has been on the books before text messaging existed. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Your average American isn't hardly paying attention at all while driving, they text, do their makeup, eat with a knife and fork, smoke and drink coffee at the same time and generally ignore the road. Do you think those people are safe at 80mph? The speed limit is for the lowest common denominator, at night, in the rain, when they're tired. Because yes they're too stupid to slow down. -Curt Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:28:53 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speed Message-ID: CACnCPhnFGpt39=k-agpbpq0ljxro7a3dxu9tjrberohnqaq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 While I don't suggest exceeding the speed limit by 50%, some states have draconian speed limit laws which help foster a belief that that speed limit laws are stupid. Take VA for example - anything 80MPH and over is considered reckless driving, even though the state has a maximum speed limit of 70MPH. On the flip side, Montana thumbed their nose at the federal government when it comes to speed limits. Back when the national speed limit was 55 MPH, to comply with federal law, Montana made it a $5 fine. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I went through this with some of my classmates in high school, it doesn't matter what YOU THINK a reasonable speed is, there is a posted speed which is the law. Yes, maybe. But then, how were the original speed limits set in the first place? They watched the roads, and set them at the speed at which most people were driving. Interesting, eh? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Despite the Ugly American on the road, we as a nation can boast one of the lowest motor vehicle mortality rates in the world. Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Those people aren't safe at any speed. That law has been on the books before text messaging existed. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Your average American isn't hardly paying attention at all while driving, they text, do their makeup, eat with a knife and fork, smoke and drink coffee at the same time and generally ignore the road. Do you think those people are safe at 80mph? The speed limit is for the lowest common denominator, at night, in the rain, when they're tired. Because yes they're too stupid to slow down. -Curt Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:28:53 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speed Message-ID: CACnCPhnFGpt39=k-agpbpq0ljxro7a3dxu9tjrberohnqaq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 While I don't suggest exceeding the speed limit by 50%, some states have draconian speed limit laws which help foster a belief that that speed limit laws are stupid. Take VA for example - anything 80MPH and over is considered reckless driving, even though the state has a maximum speed limit of 70MPH. On the flip side, Montana thumbed their nose at the federal government when it comes to speed limits. Back when the national speed limit was 55 MPH, to comply with federal law, Montana made it a $5 fine. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I went through this with some of my classmates in high school, it doesn't matter what YOU THINK a reasonable speed is, there is a posted speed which is the law. Yes, maybe. But then, how were the original speed limits set in the first place? They watched the roads, and set them at the speed at which most people were driving. Interesting, eh? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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...I went through this with some of my classmates in high school, it doesn't matter what YOU THINK a reasonable speed is, there is a posted speed which is the law. Exceeding that posted speed by more than 50%.. So you are saying that in a posted 60mph zone, anything up to 90mph is OK, then. It is to laugh. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:19 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: If you are every near Dayton, OH, stop in at the Air Force Museum. There is on there (I think it's the interceptor prototype, not the spy plane). Great hulking predatory looking thing up close, great fun. The Evergreen Aviation Museum in McMinnville, Oregon (about an hour's drive southwest of Portland) has a very nicely preserved (restored?) SR-71. It's kind of overshadowed (literally) by the Spruce Goose next to it, though---on one of whose wings the Blackbird could sit with room to spare. http://www.evergreenmuseum.org Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There's also an SR-71 on the aircraft carrier museum in NY - I forget the name, and where, though it is floating. It is more impressive in person than in photos --- On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:19 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: If you are every near Dayton, OH, stop in at the Air Force Museum. There is on there (I think it's the interceptor prototype, not the spy plane). Great hulking predatory looking thing up close, great fun. The Evergreen Aviation Museum in McMinnville, Oregon (about an hour's drive southwest of Portland) has a very nicely preserved (restored?) SR-71. It's kind of overshadowed (literally) by the Spruce Goose next to it, though---on one of whose wings the Blackbird could sit with room to spare. http://www.evergreenmuseum.org Alex -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Russ W. wrote: Another amazing work of Kelly Johnson and the Skunk Works. Cool. Now, what about controlling that beast in flight? autopilot? in the '60's? I will see if there is any mention of that at wiki. But, since you know this stuff - speak on... Thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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At Mach3 no one can hear you scream when you put a too-large input into the aircraft controls. --R On 6/6/11 4:38 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Russ W. wrote: Another amazing work of Kelly Johnson and the Skunk Works. Cool. Now, what about controlling that beast in flight? autopilot? in the '60's? I will see if there is any mention of that at wiki. But, since you know this stuff - speak on... Thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yep it had an autopilot. At 75, ft the there was only IIRC 10Kts difference between Vne and Stall speeds. On 6/6/2011 3:38 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Russ W. wrote: Another amazing work of Kelly Johnson and the Skunk Works. Cool. Now, what about controlling that beast in flight? autopilot? in the '60's? I will see if there is any mention of that at wiki. But, since you know this stuff - speak on... Thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1511/3684 - Release Date: 06/06/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Reportedly turning at that altitude in a U2 was a hairy experience -- the outside wing would be shaking because it was going into a high speed shock stall, and the inside wing would be shaking in a low speed aerodynamic stall. Of course, it wasn't carrying passengers, either. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i heard somewhere at sometime that it expanded several inches in length during flight too, which helped the tanks seal up as all the metal got hot and expanded. --R On 6/6/11 12:02 AM, Russ Williams wrote: The SR-71 leaked like a sieve on the ground. From the SR-71's Wikipedia site. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 23:14:54 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: i heard somewhere at sometime that it expanded several inches in length during flight too, which helped the tanks seal up as all the metal got hot and expanded. That's what the Wikipedia article says. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you are every near Dayton, OH, stop in at the Air Force Museum. There is on there (I think it's the interceptor prototype, not the spy plane). Great hulking predatory looking thing up close, great fun. Lots of other fun stuff as well, of course. They have (or had, when I was there last) an engine out of an SR-71 that ate something HARD -- a notch deep enough in the compressor blades deep enough to put your thumb in at least half way around! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks Mitch, I'm not as good at that math thing to be able to figure that out off the top of my head. Matter of fact I generally have to think real good to make change most times. Oh well at least I can walk and chew gum at the same timeMost days. Manfred Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 21:21:41 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] speed MG wrote: Wilton, wouldn't that be only measured at sea level? I would think that as you go higher in altitude that one minute of arc would get longer. Now mind I'm only thinking back to my school days and that circle and pie wedge thing in beginning geometry. Remember that a circumference is 2pi x radius. So flying five nautical miles high makes the whole lap around the globe 10pi miles longer. That extra 31.4 nautical miles adds 31.4 / 21600 = .00015 nautical miles or .88 feet or 10.6 to each mile in order to keep the minute of arc thing straight. That's a lot less than the difference between ground speed and airspeed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So, do speed indicators on Aussie airplanes and sea-going vessels indicate knots or kilometers per hour? ;)) BTW, an early standard for a meter is one ten-millionth of the distance along a prime meridian (also at sea level) from the equator to the North Pole. Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] speed And that is why I like the metric system, a kilometer is 1000 meters. You and your bizarre backward system. Hendrik WILTON wrote: BTW, a nautical mile (6080 feet) is also one minute of arc of latitude - on land, on water, on ice, in the air, wherever. A statute mile, of course, is 5280 feet. Because the definition of a knot is one nautical mile per hour, it is not necessary to repeat mph when speaking of knots. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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RLE wrote: The autopilot is always used, not hand flying it. And... why is that? As I understand it - there is little room for error of any sort at those altitudes.Hand flying at lower altitude is able to be accomplished because error is less likely to be catastrophic Two reasons I can think of right off the bat. As an airplane gets closer to it's service ceiling, the speed difference between a stall and overspeed (VNE) gets narrower and the autopilot can avoid either of these better than hand flying. The air is pretty thin up there and stalls occur easier and recovery is not the same as at low altitude. Think of the SR-71. The other reason would be ATC requirements in that IFR aircraft are expected to be absolutely on assigned altitude and heading without deviating. Again, the autopilot is far better at this than any attempt at hand flying. As one good example of a high altitude stall, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinnacle_Airlines_Flight_3701 And then, scroll down to References and view Crash of Pinnacle Airlines.. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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kilometers per hour knots is nautical miles per hour --R On 6/3/11 3:45 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...This report raises another question for me: Why are we flying commercial aircraft carrying passengers with a 9 kph safety margin at altitude?.. Knots are knots, never knots per hour. The autopilot is always used, not hand flying it. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Don't know but I know the passenger display in airliners shows the planes speed in kmh but I would guess the persons up the front would have the old school readout. Hendrik who is off to work, hei ho hei ho hei ho WILTON wrote: So, do speed indicators on Aussie airplanes and sea-going vessels indicate knots or kilometers per hour? ;)) BTW, an early standard for a meter is one ten-millionth of the distance along a prime meridian (also at sea level) from the equator to the North Pole. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My thoughts, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] speed Don't know but I know the passenger display in airliners shows the planes speed in kmh but I would guess the persons up the front would have the old school readout. Hendrik who is off to work, hei ho hei ho hei ho WILTON wrote: So, do speed indicators on Aussie airplanes and sea-going vessels indicate knots or kilometers per hour? ;)) BTW, an early standard for a meter is one ten-millionth of the distance along a prime meridian (also at sea level) from the equator to the North Pole. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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RLE wrote: Think of the SR-71. Yeah. And that is old old technology. Did they have some autopilot mechanisms to fly that baby? What was their service ceiling? I remember my visit to the air museum there at Boeing field and speaking with the docent there about the blackbird class aircraft they have. He was mentioning they take off with very little fuel, then they fully fuel and do their mission. He said the aircraft would heat up and then the aircraft would stop leaking fuel. Then when they land, he said they needed to circle around for an hour at low altitude to cool off the skin and when they landed, nobody could touch the skin as it was blistering hot. All from 1950 design - not much like that even in today's fleet, it seems. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The SR-71 leaked like a sieve on the ground. From the SR-71's Wikipedia site. Fuel Development began with using a coal slurry powerplant,^[20] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird#cite_note-johnson_bio-21 but Johnson determined that the coal particles damaged engine components. He then began researching a liquid hydrogen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_hydrogen powerplant, but the tanks required to store cryogenic hydrogen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryogenic_fuel did not suit the Blackbird's size and shape.^[20] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird#cite_note-johnson_bio-21 The focus then became somewhat more conventional, though still specialized in many ways. The result was JP-7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP-7 jet fuel, which had a relatively high flash point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_point (140 °F, 60 °C) to cope with the heat. The fuel was used as a coolant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolant and hydraulic fluid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fluid in the aircraft before being burned. The fuel contained fluorocarbons http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorocarbons to increase its lubricity, an oxidizing agent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidizing_agent to enable it to burn in the engines, and even a cesium http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesium compound, A-50, which disguised the exhaust's radar signature. JP-7 is very slippery, a disadvantage on the ground, because the aircraft leaked small amounts of fuel when not flying. However, JP-7 was not a fire hazard. The fuel is also extremely difficult to light in any conventional way. When the engines were started, puffs of triethylborane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triethylborane (TEB), which ignites on contact with air http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrophoricity, were injected into the engines to produce temperatures high enough to ignite the JP-7. The TEB produced a characteristic puff of greenish flame that could often be seen as the engines were ignited.^[21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird#cite_note-Shul-22 TEB was also used to ignite the afterburners http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterburner. The aircraft carried 20 fluid ounces (600 ml) of TEB per engine, enough for at least 16 injections (a counter told the pilot how many TEB injections remained), more than enough for any missions it was likely to carry out. Another amazing work of Kelly Johnson and the Skunk Works. Russ W, On 6/5/2011 7:34 PM, Mountain Man wrote: RLE wrote: Think of the SR-71. Yeah. And that is old old technology. Did they have some autopilot mechanisms to fly that baby? What was their service ceiling? I remember my visit to the air museum there at Boeing field and speaking with the docent there about the blackbird class aircraft they have. He was mentioning they take off with very little fuel, then they fully fuel and do their mission. He said the aircraft would heat up and then the aircraft would stop leaking fuel. Then when they land, he said they needed to circle around for an hour at low altitude to cool off the skin and when they landed, nobody could touch the skin as it was blistering hot. All from 1950 design - not much like that even in today's fleet, it seems. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1511/3683 - Release Date: 06/05/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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RLE wrote: The autopilot is always used, not hand flying it. And... why is that? As I understand it - there is little room for error of any sort at those altitudes. Hand flying at lower altitude is able to be accomplished because error is less likely to be catastrophic. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: RLE wrote: The autopilot is always used, not hand flying it. And... why is that? As I understand it - there is little room for error of any sort at those altitudes. Yes. Transport aircraft are aerodynamically stable, unlike some modern fighters which need computer assist to stay aloft at all times. However the air is so thin up there that there's a very small window of safety and the autopilots can fly it better than a human. Problem is some airlines regularly use autopilot from takeoff to touchdown and the pilots lose their hand-flying reflexes. Then if something goes wrong and they HAVE to hand fly, they are out of practice. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wilton, wouldn't that be only measured at sea level? I would think that as you go higher in altitude that one minute of arc would get longer. Now mind I'm only thinking back to my school days and that circle and pie wedge thing in beginning geometry. Manfred Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 17:24:49 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] speed BTW, a nautical mile (6080 feet) is also one minute of arc of latitude - on land, on water, on ice, in the air, wherever. A statute mile, of course, is 5280 feet. Because the definition of a knot is one nautical mile per hour, it is not necessary to repeat mph when speaking of knots. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] speed
MG wrote: Wilton, wouldn't that be only measured at sea level? I would think that as you go higher in altitude that one minute of arc would get longer. Now mind I'm only thinking back to my school days and that circle and pie wedge thing in beginning geometry. Remember that a circumference is 2pi x radius. So flying five nautical miles high makes the whole lap around the globe 10pi miles longer. That extra 31.4 nautical miles adds 31.4 / 21600 = .00015 nautical miles or .88 feet or 10.6 to each mile in order to keep the minute of arc thing straight. That's a lot less than the difference between ground speed and airspeed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] speed
And that is why I like the metric system, a kilometer is 1000 meters. You and your bizarre backward system. Hendrik WILTON wrote: BTW, a nautical mile (6080 feet) is also one minute of arc of latitude - on land, on water, on ice, in the air, wherever. A statute mile, of course, is 5280 feet. Because the definition of a knot is one nautical mile per hour, it is not necessary to repeat mph when speaking of knots. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] speed
Technically, yes, but the difference is negligible in the range of altitudes traveled by surface vessels and aircraft. International convention has accepted and established a knot as one nautical mile (6080 feet - one minute of arc of latitude) per hour. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] speed MG wrote: Wilton, wouldn't that be only measured at sea level? I would think that as you go higher in altitude that one minute of arc would get longer. Now mind I'm only thinking back to my school days and that circle and pie wedge thing in beginning geometry. Remember that a circumference is 2pi x radius. So flying five nautical miles high makes the whole lap around the globe 10pi miles longer. That extra 31.4 nautical miles adds 31.4 / 21600 = .00015 nautical miles or .88 feet or 10.6 to each mile in order to keep the minute of arc thing straight. That's a lot less than the difference between ground speed and airspeed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] speed
...This report raises another question for me: Why are we flying commercial aircraft carrying passengers with a 9 kph safety margin at altitude?.. Knots are knots, never knots per hour. The autopilot is always used, not hand flying it. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] speed
On 03/06/2011 2:45 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...This report raises another question for me: Why are we flying commercial aircraft carrying passengers with a 9 kph safety margin at altitude?.. Knots are knots, never knots per hour. The autopilot is always used, not hand flying it. RLE A nautical mile is longer than a land mile. 2025 yards vs 1760 yards so a knot is not equal to a kilometer per hour. A kilometer is only about 1100 yards. Assume they are talking about kilometers per hour and it amounts to a margin of just under 6 miles per hour. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] speed
Like I said, a knot is one nautical mile (6080 feet) per hour. Wilton - Original Message - From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] speed ...This report raises another question for me: Why are we flying commercial aircraft carrying passengers with a 9 kph safety margin at altitude?.. Knots are knots, never knots per hour. The autopilot is always used, not hand flying it. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] speed
BTW, a nautical mile (6080 feet) is also one minute of arc of latitude - on land, on water, on ice, in the air, wherever. A statute mile, of course, is 5280 feet. Because the definition of a knot is one nautical mile per hour, it is not necessary to repeat mph when speaking of knots. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] speed Like I said, a knot is one nautical mile (6080 feet) per hour. Wilton - Original Message - From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] speed ...This report raises another question for me: Why are we flying commercial aircraft carrying passengers with a 9 kph safety margin at altitude?.. Knots are knots, never knots per hour. The autopilot is always used, not hand flying it. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed Traps in VA
I never ever ever give them the right to search my vehicle. If they want to invade my personal space they are going to have to work for it. And get their superior officer out there. And look like idiots for wasting everyones time. The first thing I say when they want to search my vehicle is for them to get their superior out there. I certainly don't need any surprises showing up in my car. -Rolf On 02/07/2011 06:04 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: When I picked up a W108 (280S) in Norfolk, I had to drive cross country to get to I95. While passing through a small town, I was pulled over by a cadre of local law enforcement folks. Seems that my Florida license plate piqued their interest, as apparently this was a route frequented by drug traffickers bringing their wares into the area. I questioned their logic, as I was heading in the wrong direction and was driving a very conspicuous vehicle. They were also put out by my refusal to allow them to search my vehicle, as I contended that they had no probable cause to do so. They threatened to impound it, which I told them were welcome to do so, while I was busy calling my attorney. Long story short, these guys were small town Barney Fifes with little to do other than harass out of towners. They left me alone in the McDonald's parking lot. I went in and got a cold beverage. Something seemed odd about the place, which I did not figure out until a few miles down the roadpeople were smoking inside the place! Makes sense-this was in central Virginia Dan Sent from my iPod On Feb 7, 2011, at 12:47 PM, glenn browng_010...@hotmail.com wrote: It seems like not much has changed as I can remember speed traps in the Rappahannock, VA area in the '60s prior to the completion of I95 which were after military folks traveling north/south on weekends and, since I moved to western NC and have made numerous trips to/from Pbgh., I've found there are speed traps on I81 near Abingdon, VA. Whenever I've traveled this route, I tend to see multiple VA state police vehicles . . . so be careful out there. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed Traps in VA
A few years back when my son was starting college in the Philadelphia area we drove up there from Texas in the Suburban to haul him and his stuff. My wife flew up then we went on for some little vacation time. Anyway, the evening after dropping him off we were driving to a hotel in Phil, and got stopped by this jack-booted full combat gear skinhead cop. I was driving under the speed limit, had not committed any infractions, etc. So he walks up, before he could go into his spiel I ask him what the issue is. He asks for my license, etc. I say no, first you tell me what the issue is because I have done nothing wrong. We go back and forth, my wife is getting pissed too and chimes in at him, he looks in at her and finally says Your license plate light is out. I say, Oh, the left one, yes I saw that and have not had a chance to go to an auto parts store on my trip, but the right one is working fine and I'm sure you can see my plate with that one, right? THe thug says, Uh yeah, how do you know that? I say, Because I am a responsible law-abiding driver and pay attention to such things. Oh. He sorta half apologizes and tells me that they have problems with people from Texas bringing drugs up there, and that is why he stopped me. I ask him how many Suburbans with Villanova stickers and an older white couple he gets hauling drugs, and he sorta hems and haws again and says, Well, it fits the profile which by that I figured Mexicans from occupied Aztlan, but whatever. He was such a dumbass, and looked like one too in his full SWAT get-up, I had to laugh at him and tell him he ought to check the law again before busting me for that stupid reason, which was clearly illegal. He finally gets all apologetic and tells us to have a nice evening and be careful, blah blah. Like there is no other crime in PHL worth his time, what a fnidiot. --R (Busted for DWT) On 2/9/2011 12:59 PM, Rolf wrote: I never ever ever give them the right to search my vehicle. If they want to invade my personal space they are going to have to work for it. And get their superior officer out there. And look like idiots for wasting everyones time. The first thing I say when they want to search my vehicle is for them to get their superior out there. I certainly don't need any surprises showing up in my car. -Rolf On 02/07/2011 06:04 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: When I picked up a W108 (280S) in Norfolk, I had to drive cross country to get to I95. While passing through a small town, I was pulled over by a cadre of local law enforcement folks. Seems that my Florida license plate piqued their interest, as apparently this was a route frequented by drug traffickers bringing their wares into the area. I questioned their logic, as I was heading in the wrong direction and was driving a very conspicuous vehicle. They were also put out by my refusal to allow them to search my vehicle, as I contended that they had no probable cause to do so. They threatened to impound it, which I told them were welcome to do so, while I was busy calling my attorney. Long story short, these guys were small town Barney Fifes with little to do other than harass out of towners. They left me alone in the McDonald's parking lot. I went in and got a cold beverage. Something seemed odd about the place, which I did not figure out until a few miles down the roadpeople were smoking inside the place! Makes sense-this was in central Virginia Dan Sent from my iPod On Feb 7, 2011, at 12:47 PM, glenn browng_010...@hotmail.com wrote: It seems like not much has changed as I can remember speed traps in the Rappahannock, VA area in the '60s prior to the completion of I95 which were after military folks traveling north/south on weekends and, since I moved to western NC and have made numerous trips to/from Pbgh., I've found there are speed traps on I81 near Abingdon, VA. Whenever I've traveled this route, I tend to see multiple VA state police vehicles . . . so be careful out there. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new
Re: [MBZ] Speed Traps in VA
DWT = driving while tired? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speed Traps in VA A few years back when my son was starting college in the Philadelphia area we drove up there from Texas in the Suburban to haul him and his stuff. My wife flew up then we went on for some little vacation time. Anyway, the evening after dropping him off we were driving to a hotel in Phil, and got stopped by this jack-booted full combat gear skinhead cop. I was driving under the speed limit, had not committed any infractions, etc. So he walks up, before he could go into his spiel I ask him what the issue is. He asks for my license, etc. I say no, first you tell me what the issue is because I have done nothing wrong. We go back and forth, my wife is getting pissed too and chimes in at him, he looks in at her and finally says Your license plate light is out. I say, Oh, the left one, yes I saw that and have not had a chance to go to an auto parts store on my trip, but the right one is working fine and I'm sure you can see my plate with that one, right? THe thug says, Uh yeah, how do you know that? I say, Because I am a responsible law-abiding driver and pay attention to such things. Oh. He sorta half apologizes and tells me that they have problems with people from Texas bringing drugs up there, and that is why he stopped me. I ask him how many Suburbans with Villanova stickers and an older white couple he gets hauling drugs, and he sorta hems and haws again and says, Well, it fits the profile which by that I figured Mexicans from occupied Aztlan, but whatever. He was such a dumbass, and looked like one too in his full SWAT get-up, I had to laugh at him and tell him he ought to check the law again before busting me for that stupid reason, which was clearly illegal. He finally gets all apologetic and tells us to have a nice evening and be careful, blah blah. Like there is no other crime in PHL worth his time, what a fnidiot. --R (Busted for DWT) On 2/9/2011 12:59 PM, Rolf wrote: I never ever ever give them the right to search my vehicle. If they want to invade my personal space they are going to have to work for it. And get their superior officer out there. And look like idiots for wasting everyones time. The first thing I say when they want to search my vehicle is for them to get their superior out there. I certainly don't need any surprises showing up in my car. -Rolf On 02/07/2011 06:04 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: When I picked up a W108 (280S) in Norfolk, I had to drive cross country to get to I95. While passing through a small town, I was pulled over by a cadre of local law enforcement folks. Seems that my Florida license plate piqued their interest, as apparently this was a route frequented by drug traffickers bringing their wares into the area. I questioned their logic, as I was heading in the wrong direction and was driving a very conspicuous vehicle. They were also put out by my refusal to allow them to search my vehicle, as I contended that they had no probable cause to do so. They threatened to impound it, which I told them were welcome to do so, while I was busy calling my attorney. Long story short, these guys were small town Barney Fifes with little to do other than harass out of towners. They left me alone in the McDonald's parking lot. I went in and got a cold beverage. Something seemed odd about the place, which I did not figure out until a few miles down the roadpeople were smoking inside the place! Makes sense-this was in central Virginia Dan Sent from my iPod On Feb 7, 2011, at 12:47 PM, glenn browng_010...@hotmail.com wrote: It seems like not much has changed as I can remember speed traps in the Rappahannock, VA area in the '60s prior to the completion of I95 which were after military folks traveling north/south on weekends and, since I moved to western NC and have made numerous trips to/from Pbgh., I've found there are speed traps on I81 near Abingdon, VA. Whenever I've traveled this route, I tend to see multiple VA state police vehicles . . . so be careful out there. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed Traps in VA
Texan --R On 2/9/2011 6:03 PM, Max Dillon wrote: DWT = driving while tired? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speed Traps in VA A few years back when my son was starting college in the Philadelphia area we drove up there from Texas in the Suburban to haul him and his stuff. My wife flew up then we went on for some little vacation time. Anyway, the evening after dropping him off we were driving to a hotel in Phil, and got stopped by this jack-booted full combat gear skinhead cop. I was driving under the speed limit, had not committed any infractions, etc. So he walks up, before he could go into his spiel I ask him what the issue is. He asks for my license, etc. I say no, first you tell me what the issue is because I have done nothing wrong. We go back and forth, my wife is getting pissed too and chimes in at him, he looks in at her and finally says Your license plate light is out. I say, Oh, the left one, yes I saw that and have not had a chance to go to an auto parts store on my trip, but the right one is working fine and I'm sure you can see my plate with that one, right? THe thug says, Uh yeah, how do you know that? I say, Because I am a responsible law-abiding driver and pay attention to such things. Oh. He sorta half apologizes and tells me that they have problems with people from Texas bringing drugs up there, and that is why he stopped me. I ask him how many Suburbans with Villanova stickers and an older white couple he gets hauling drugs, and he sorta hems and haws again and says, Well, it fits the profile which by that I figured Mexicans from occupied Aztlan, but whatever. He was such a dumbass, and looked like one too in his full SWAT get-up, I had to laugh at him and tell him he ought to check the law again before busting me for that stupid reason, which was clearly illegal. He finally gets all apologetic and tells us to have a nice evening and be careful, blah blah. Like there is no other crime in PHL worth his time, what a fnidiot. --R (Busted for DWT) On 2/9/2011 12:59 PM, Rolf wrote: I never ever ever give them the right to search my vehicle. If they want to invade my personal space they are going to have to work for it. And get their superior officer out there. And look like idiots for wasting everyones time. The first thing I say when they want to search my vehicle is for them to get their superior out there. I certainly don't need any surprises showing up in my car. -Rolf On 02/07/2011 06:04 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: When I picked up a W108 (280S) in Norfolk, I had to drive cross country to get to I95. While passing through a small town, I was pulled over by a cadre of local law enforcement folks. Seems that my Florida license plate piqued their interest, as apparently this was a route frequented by drug traffickers bringing their wares into the area. I questioned their logic, as I was heading in the wrong direction and was driving a very conspicuous vehicle. They were also put out by my refusal to allow them to search my vehicle, as I contended that they had no probable cause to do so. They threatened to impound it, which I told them were welcome to do so, while I was busy calling my attorney. Long story short, these guys were small town Barney Fifes with little to do other than harass out of towners. They left me alone in the McDonald's parking lot. I went in and got a cold beverage. Something seemed odd about the place, which I did not figure out until a few miles down the roadpeople were smoking inside the place! Makes sense-this was in central Virginia Dan Sent from my iPod On Feb 7, 2011, at 12:47 PM, glenn browng_010...@hotmail.com wrote: It seems like not much has changed as I can remember speed traps in the Rappahannock, VA area in the '60s prior to the completion of I95 which were after military folks traveling north/south on weekends and, since I moved to western NC and have made numerous trips to/from Pbgh., I've found there are speed traps on I81 near Abingdon, VA. Whenever I've traveled this route, I tend to see multiple VA state police vehicles . . . so be careful out there. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts
[MBZ] Speed Traps in VA
It seems like not much has changed as I can remember speed traps in the Rappahannock, VA area in the '60s prior to the completion of I95 which were after military folks traveling north/south on weekends and, since I moved to western NC and have made numerous trips to/from Pbgh., I've found there are speed traps on I81 near Abingdon, VA. Whenever I've traveled this route, I tend to see multiple VA state police vehicles . . . so be careful out there. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed Traps in VA
When I picked up a W108 (280S) in Norfolk, I had to drive cross country to get to I95. While passing through a small town, I was pulled over by a cadre of local law enforcement folks. Seems that my Florida license plate piqued their interest, as apparently this was a route frequented by drug traffickers bringing their wares into the area. I questioned their logic, as I was heading in the wrong direction and was driving a very conspicuous vehicle. They were also put out by my refusal to allow them to search my vehicle, as I contended that they had no probable cause to do so. They threatened to impound it, which I told them were welcome to do so, while I was busy calling my attorney. Long story short, these guys were small town Barney Fifes with little to do other than harass out of towners. They left me alone in the McDonald's parking lot. I went in and got a cold beverage. Something seemed odd about the place, which I did not figure out until a few miles down the roadpeople were smoking inside the place! Makes sense-this was in central Virginia Dan Sent from my iPod On Feb 7, 2011, at 12:47 PM, glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote: It seems like not much has changed as I can remember speed traps in the Rappahannock, VA area in the '60s prior to the completion of I95 which were after military folks traveling north/south on weekends and, since I moved to western NC and have made numerous trips to/from Pbgh., I've found there are speed traps on I81 near Abingdon, VA. Whenever I've traveled this route, I tend to see multiple VA state police vehicles . . . so be careful out there. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] speed ratings of tires
On, for example, a 140 300SD, tirerack says min speed rating is H=130 mph. Why do you need a tire rated that fast? The car is never going to go anywhere near that fast. It really narrows down the selection and raises the price. Why cant a T=118mph tire be used? That opens up alot more tire choices at cheaper prices. This same thing could also be said for 124's 126 and so on. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires
My guess (and that's all it is - a guess), is that higher speed rated tires have stiffer sidewalls, and handle higher temps. A heavier car will need stiffer sidewalls, and will generate more heat while driving. Then again, the cars were designed for the autobahn On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: On, for example, a 140 300SD, tirerack says min speed rating is H=130 mph. Why do you need a tire rated that fast? The car is never going to go anywhere near that fast. It really narrows down the selection and raises the price. Why cant a T=118mph tire be used? That opens up alot more tire choices at cheaper prices. This same thing could also be said for 124's 126 and so on. -- -- OK Don W124 Diesels Ubuntu 8.10 KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/fbbe8e5b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: On, for example, a 140 300SD, tirerack says min speed rating is H=130 mph. Why do you need a tire rated that fast? I think it's because they don't want to be blamed for selling you a tire with a lower rating than OEM. What do Altimax HP cost in that size? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The HP's which are a H rated tire cost 84 in that size, the RT which is a T rated tire is 75 Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: On, for example, a 140 300SD, tirerack says min speed rating is H=130 mph. Why do you need a tire rated that fast? I think it's because they don't want to be blamed for selling you a tire with a lower rating than OEM. What do Altimax HP cost in that size? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 01/30/09 17:31:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb, Speed rating is about a lot more then speed. Speed rating also affects how the tires handle. H rated tires have much stiffer sidewalls than S rated tires and since the tires are an active part of a car's suspension, downgrading from H to S rating, particularly the front tires, will have a negative impact on how the car handles. Downgrading also greatly reduces front tire tread life because the more flexible sidewalls allow more tread to be scuffed off in turns. Every used Mercedes I've bought to date came with S rated tires (except for the 59, which had bias ply) and I replaced the front tires with the correct H rated tires as soon as I could. Then I replaced the rear tires as soon as they wore out. In every case, the correct front tires had a huge impact on handling and I could tell no difference with the rear tires BTW, Wal-Mart - the largest tire dealer in the world, does not even carry H rated tires. And they told me that H rated tires are a waste of money because no-one drives that fast. But the same Wal-Mart auto technician will sell you the wrong battery for your Mercedes diesel and insist that it's correct! What else would you expect from Wal-Mart? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 5:38 PM To: mercedes Mailing List; davesl...@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires On, for example, a 140 300SD, tirerack says min speed rating is H=130 mph. Why do you need a tire rated that fast? The car is never going to go anywhere near that fast. It really narrows down the selection and raises the price. Why cant a T=118mph tire be used? That opens up alot more tire choices at cheaper prices. This same thing could also be said for 124's 126 and so on. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have Cientra tires on my 300D, they are an speed rating S and load rating 90 tire, made in Mexico by BF Goodrich. They were cheap, but actually have better snow performance than the Michelin X1 tires I had before these (had to replace them because the bands were separating). I don't think I've ever really driven more than 80MPH, maybe slightly more when passing but certainly not for any extended period. I'm not endorsing this as adequate, but I've not had ANY problems with these tires and they seem to be wearing well. Allan Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: On, for example, a 140 300SD, tirerack says min speed rating is H=130 mph. Why do you need a tire rated that fast? The car is never going to go anywhere near that fast. It really narrows down the selection and raises the price. Why cant a T=118mph tire be used? That opens up alot more tire choices at cheaper prices. This same thing could also be said for 124's 126 and so on. -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tom Hargrave wrote: Kaleb, Speed rating is about a lot more then speed. Speed rating also affects how the tires handle. H rated tires have much stiffer sidewalls than S rated tires and since the tires are an active part of a car's suspension, downgrading from H to S rating, particularly the front tires, will have a negative impact on how the car handles. Downgrading also greatly reduces front tire tread life because the more flexible sidewalls allow more tread to be scuffed off in turns. What he said. A 140 is a pretty hefty car and flimsy tires do it no favors at all. I just put Bridgestone Turanzas on my S420 and they're about the perfect tire for the car. Much nicer than the Michelins they replaced, or the Contis or no-name POS tires on other 140s I've driven. Expensive, but they have a 70k mile treadlife warranty which I expect to collect on (these cars chew up tires pretty quickly), as long as I go back to Firestone every 6,000 miles so they can rotate them and steal my metal valve stem caps (again). Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Because when some idiot steals it and drives it at 120 and a tire blows, YOU are liable for his injuries because you put tires on the car that weren't good enough for how fast it would go. Peter On Feb 8, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: On, for example, a 140 300SD, tirerack says min speed rating is H=130 mph. Why do you need a tire rated that fast? The car is never going to go anywhere near that fast. It really narrows down the selection and raises the price. Why cant a T=118mph tire be used? That opens up alot more tire choices at cheaper prices. This same thing could also be said for 124's 126 and so on. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:44:47 -0600 Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com wrote: ... as long as I go back to Firestone every 6,000 miles so they can rotate them and steal my metal valve stem caps (again). Maybe you should take the valve stem caps off before you go there. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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From what I've read about the tires originally intended for use on the W140, they were much softer and of higher performance. Due to the weight and size of the car, they wore very fast, and the US market just wouldn't got for an expensive tire that had to be replaced every 10,000 miles or so. The tires were toughened up for extended mileage, and the cars top end was reduced to compensate for the lower performance rubber. Ed 300E 2009/2/8 Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com Tom Hargrave wrote: Kaleb, Speed rating is about a lot more then speed. Speed rating also affects how the tires handle. H rated tires have much stiffer sidewalls than S rated tires and since the tires are an active part of a car's suspension, downgrading from H to S rating, particularly the front tires, will have a negative impact on how the car handles. Downgrading also greatly reduces front tire tread life because the more flexible sidewalls allow more tread to be scuffed off in turns. What he said. A 140 is a pretty hefty car and flimsy tires do it no favors at all. I just put Bridgestone Turanzas on my S420 and they're about the perfect tire for the car. Much nicer than the Michelins they replaced, or the Contis or no-name POS tires on other 140s I've driven. Expensive, but they have a 70k mile treadlife warranty which I expect to collect on (these cars chew up tires pretty quickly), as long as I go back to Firestone every 6,000 miles so they can rotate them and steal my metal valve stem caps (again). Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/cbe6a715/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You are probably right. A friend of mine bought one of the high performance 5 series BMWs a few years ago and his tires only lasted 9000 miles. But the issue wasn't the speed rating, it was the rubber compound. The tires on his BMW were Z rated! When he went back to the Stealership for new tires, they would only mount the originals and they explained that the replacements also had no mileage rating. I don't remember what brand he went to but he found an American Z rated tire that lasted 30,000 miles. The replacements also did not come with a mileage warranty. I have to admit - it is a very tight car, but the sidewalls on a Z rated tire have almost no give. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires From what I've read about the tires originally intended for use on the W140, they were much softer and of higher performance. Due to the weight and size of the car, they wore very fast, and the US market just wouldn't got for an expensive tire that had to be replaced every 10,000 miles or so. The tires were toughened up for extended mileage, and the cars top end was reduced to compensate for the lower performance rubber. Ed 300E 2009/2/8 Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com Tom Hargrave wrote: Kaleb, Speed rating is about a lot more then speed. Speed rating also affects how the tires handle. H rated tires have much stiffer sidewalls than S rated tires and since the tires are an active part of a car's suspension, downgrading from H to S rating, particularly the front tires, will have a negative impact on how the car handles. Downgrading also greatly reduces front tire tread life because the more flexible sidewalls allow more tread to be scuffed off in turns. What he said. A 140 is a pretty hefty car and flimsy tires do it no favors at all. I just put Bridgestone Turanzas on my S420 and they're about the perfect tire for the car. Much nicer than the Michelins they replaced, or the Contis or no-name POS tires on other 140s I've driven. Expensive, but they have a 70k mile treadlife warranty which I expect to collect on (these cars chew up tires pretty quickly), as long as I go back to Firestone every 6,000 miles so they can rotate them and steal my metal valve stem caps (again). Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/cb e6a715/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I used to run Yoko 008Rs years ago on my old 911. While DOT legal for road use, there was no wear rating on them. If you got 5000 out of a set, you were doing really well, and they didn't like to be cycled a lot, so while the grip was fantastic, it would drop off with cycles. The sidewall was so upright and ridged, they probably inspired run flat tires. lol Nothing comes without a cost, and while they would hang on forever, when they did finally decide to let go, there wasn't a lot of progression built into them. Woho, did you feel that coming Molly??? ;-) hee hee Ed 300E 2009/2/8 Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net You are probably right. A friend of mine bought one of the high performance 5 series BMWs a few years ago and his tires only lasted 9000 miles. But the issue wasn't the speed rating, it was the rubber compound. The tires on his BMW were Z rated! When he went back to the Stealership for new tires, they would only mount the originals and they explained that the replacements also had no mileage rating. I don't remember what brand he went to but he found an American Z rated tire that lasted 30,000 miles. The replacements also did not come with a mileage warranty. I have to admit - it is a very tight car, but the sidewalls on a Z rated tire have almost no give. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires From what I've read about the tires originally intended for use on the W140, they were much softer and of higher performance. Due to the weight and size of the car, they wore very fast, and the US market just wouldn't got for an expensive tire that had to be replaced every 10,000 miles or so. The tires were toughened up for extended mileage, and the cars top end was reduced to compensate for the lower performance rubber. Ed 300E 2009/2/8 Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com Tom Hargrave wrote: Kaleb, Speed rating is about a lot more then speed. Speed rating also affects how the tires handle. H rated tires have much stiffer sidewalls than S rated tires and since the tires are an active part of a car's suspension, downgrading from H to S rating, particularly the front tires, will have a negative impact on how the car handles. Downgrading also greatly reduces front tire tread life because the more flexible sidewalls allow more tread to be scuffed off in turns. What he said. A 140 is a pretty hefty car and flimsy tires do it no favors at all. I just put Bridgestone Turanzas on my S420 and they're about the perfect tire for the car. Much nicer than the Michelins they replaced, or the Contis or no-name POS tires on other 140s I've driven. Expensive, but they have a 70k mile treadlife warranty which I expect to collect on (these cars chew up tires pretty quickly), as long as I go back to Firestone every 6,000 miles so they can rotate them and steal my metal valve stem caps (again). Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/cb e6a715/attachment.htmlhttp://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/cb%0Ae6a715/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/0557eb13/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change
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as i understood it, the speed rating only relates to using the tire for some fixed period of time (70 minutes, or something like that) before cooling down completely; anything longer than that is over spec. if, like so many MBZ drivers do, you drive your car at highway speed or more for more than an hour or so at a time between complete heat cycles, you're probably better off with a tire that is speed rated to somewhat higher than the speeds you are likely to be traveling at. considering the possible consequences of tire failure at speed, doesn't seem like the place to save a few bucks. cheers! e Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: On, for example, a 140 300SD, tirerack says min speed rating is H=130 mph. Why do you need a tire rated that fast? The car is never going to go anywhere near that fast. It really narrows down the selection and raises the price. Why cant a T=118mph tire be used? That opens up alot more tire choices at cheaper prices. This same thing could also be said for 124's 126 and so on. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/9ccca3ad/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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heh,... that's a trip in the Way-Back Machine! i once got over 10K miles on a set of A008Rs (or possibly A008RTUs), but it was because i had to make several thousand-mile-weekend trips downstate and back on them. actually seemed to me that they had gotten less grippy as they had gotten fairly baked, but it was hard to tell exactly because i was autocrossing the 'slush' series on them and several of those events were in the slop. cheers! e E M wrote: I used to run Yoko 008Rs years ago on my old 911. While DOT legal for road use, there was no wear rating on them. If you got 5000 out of a set, you were doing really well, and they didn't like to be cycled a lot, so while the grip was fantastic, it would drop off with cycles. The sidewall was so upright and ridged, they probably inspired run flat tires. lol Nothing comes without a cost, and while they would hang on forever, when they did finally decide to let go, there wasn't a lot of progression built into them. Woho, did you feel that coming Molly??? ;-) hee hee Ed 300E 2009/2/8 Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net You are probably right. A friend of mine bought one of the high performance 5 series BMWs a few years ago and his tires only lasted 9000 miles. But the issue wasn't the speed rating, it was the rubber compound. The tires on his BMW were Z rated! When he went back to the Stealership for new tires, they would only mount the originals and they explained that the replacements also had no mileage rating. I don't remember what brand he went to but he found an American Z rated tire that lasted 30,000 miles. The replacements also did not come with a mileage warranty. I have to admit - it is a very tight car, but the sidewalls on a Z rated tire have almost no give. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires From what I've read about the tires originally intended for use on the W140, they were much softer and of higher performance. Due to the weight and size of the car, they wore very fast, and the US market just wouldn't got for an expensive tire that had to be replaced every 10,000 miles or so. The tires were toughened up for extended mileage, and the cars top end was reduced to compensate for the lower performance rubber. Ed 300E 2009/2/8 Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com Tom Hargrave wrote: Kaleb, Speed rating is about a lot more then speed. Speed rating also affects how the tires handle. H rated tires have much stiffer sidewalls than S rated tires and since the tires are an active part of a car's suspension, downgrading from H to S rating, particularly the front tires, will have a negative impact on how the car handles. Downgrading also greatly reduces front tire tread life because the more flexible sidewalls allow more tread to be scuffed off in turns. What he said. A 140 is a pretty hefty car and flimsy tires do it no favors at all. I just put Bridgestone Turanzas on my S420 and they're about the perfect tire for the car. Much nicer than the Michelins they replaced, or the Contis or no-name POS tires on other 140s I've driven. Expensive, but they have a 70k mile treadlife warranty which I expect to collect on (these cars chew up tires pretty quickly), as long as I go back to Firestone every 6,000 miles so they can rotate them and steal my metal valve stem caps (again). Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/cb e6a715/attachment.htmlhttp://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/cb%0Ae6a715/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change
[MBZ] Speed bump
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you seem to feel the need to add limited to your top speeds for some reason? I should think that would be self explanatory. In the case of the C320 the top speed is limited by the governor at 130 even though without it, it will go about 20mph faster. The two Porsches and the 450SE can't go any faster because they don't have enough power. Were the 944 a Turbo, it would exceed 155mph. So it's power limited. Drop a 6.9 in the 450SE and it would attain about 140mph. The GTO which has been discussed is undoubtedly drag limited because of it's corrugated garden shed body shape. And if you were an aerodynamicist, you would know how much of a power increase it takes to add a few miles per hour to a draggy vehicle at high speed. I wonder if you are aware of an MB patented design item that lowers rear drag in the '08 C-Class. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed
I'm not an engineer, but spent enough time at race tracks, and messing with cars that are tracked to know what the air can and does do. I've driven 911's back to back, same power, set up etc, but with and without wings. I am somewhat familiar with 944s as friends and I have build 3 of them from the block up, one with nitrous, which was interesting, if only for a short while. Power and drag is a balance. build in stability, you will get drag. F1 cars have some of the very worst drag. An Enzo will produce downforce at speeds over 150 or so, and near the top, has more than 2 tonnes of downforce on it. Again, I do have an understand of power versus top speed. there is a reason an Enzo can do 220 with 700 hp and a bug required an extra 300 hp for only 30 mph more on the top end. not aware for the rear pattent on the '08, but I know a lot of thought and wind tunnel testing went into the high rear deck area on a W124, which set somewhat of a trend. Ed On 05/09/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you seem to feel the need to add limited to your top speeds for some reason? I should think that would be self explanatory. In the case of the C320 the top speed is limited by the governor at 130 even though without it, it will go about 20mph faster. The two Porsches and the 450SE can't go any faster because they don't have enough power. Were the 944 a Turbo, it would exceed 155mph. So it's power limited. Drop a 6.9 in the 450SE and it would attain about 140mph. The GTO which has been discussed is undoubtedly drag limited because of it's corrugated garden shed body shape. And if you were an aerodynamicist, you would know how much of a power increase it takes to add a few miles per hour to a draggy vehicle at high speed. I wonder if you are aware of an MB patented design item that lowers rear drag in the '08 C-Class. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if you are aware of an MB patented design item that lowers rear drag in the '08 C-Class. Is it a turbulator strip as found on the back window of the W201 Evo II? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Speed runs was Re: 220
Curt wrote: I have yet to find myself with enough open space, time and daring to hit the 97mph listed top speed on my 190D. I had a 1996 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera (VERY reliable, competent, but boring and SOUL-LESS). It had a fuel cut off at 107. I was driving from Topeka to Lawrence when I hit the fuel cut -off. It freaked me out. The car started bucking and coughing. It was very odd. I also discovered that my 126 300SEL is still very smooth at 110 mph. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 140K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed runs was Re: 220
I think 155 mph was the limited number for many years to keep the Green Party at bay. Not all played, mercedes and bmw kept to it, porsche never did. I think with the recent HP wars, both mercedes adn bmw have pushed the limiter to the sides, or given an option to do so. I think wiht AMG models, you can get an optional ECU that will allow some of the faster cars to run to 300 kph.but not offered in North America. This is still limited, but I guess ppl spending huge money on mercs with twin turbo V12s were a little upset bouncing off the limiter at 155 mph on the autobahn. :-) Especially with a VW GTI flashing his highbeams in your mirrors. lol. Ed 300E On 04/09/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curt wrote: I have yet to find myself with enough open space, time and daring to hit the 97mph listed top speed on my 190D. I had a 1996 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera (VERY reliable, competent, but boring and SOUL-LESS). It had a fuel cut off at 107. I was driving from Topeka to Lawrence when I hit the fuel cut -off. It freaked me out. The car started bucking and coughing. It was very odd. I also discovered that my 126 300SEL is still very smooth at 110 mph. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 140K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed
Speaking of T34's - I saw what looked like a T34 with a turbo prop engine in pattern to land at our local airport this weekend - had USAF markings. I got to ride in a T34 once in CAP - but it was just around the pattern once. When I was in USAF field training, we cadets got a flight in a T34. We pulled 5.6 g positive. I don't recall how many negative, but it wasn't too much, since I was a complete rookie. Craig -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Speed
Ahh - but it's the journey, not the destination that matters - I like mine circuitous, winding (in three dimensions), sometimes inverted, etc. 3 G's didn't seem uncomfortable back when I was young - wonder what it would be like now --- I would like to be able to say to a few friends, Why don't we have lunch in Reno or Carmel today. RLE/Seattle -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Speed
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:54:25 -0500 OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3 G's didn't seem uncomfortable back when I was young - wonder what it would be like now --- Is that positive or negative 3 Gs? :-) Craig
Re: [MBZ] Speed
You'd probably see your lunch again... Bob r - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speed Ahh - but it's the journey, not the destination that matters - I like mine circuitous, winding (in three dimensions), sometimes inverted, etc. 3 G's didn't seem uncomfortable back when I was young - wonder what it would be like now --- I would like to be able to say to a few friends, Why don't we have lunch in Reno or Carmel today. RLE/Seattle -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speed
3 positive, probably less than 2 negative. I can't imagine the high G's that the air show and champion aerobatic pilots pull --- Is that positive or negative 3 Gs? :-) Craig -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Speed
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:03:04 -0500 OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3 positive, probably less than 2 negative. I can't imagine the high G's that the air show and champion aerobatic pilots pull --- When I was in USAF field training, we cadets got a flight in a T34. We pulled 5.6 g positive. I don't recall how many negative, but it wasn't too much, since I was a complete rookie. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Speed
True - perhaps the speed would make up for the boring straight and level. I would like to be able to say to a few friends, Why don't we have lunch in Reno or Carmel today. RLE/Seattle ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[MBZ] Speed enforcement (was: Re: MBZ Branson)
ned kleinhenz wrote: Ohio strictly enforces speed limits upon EVERYBODY. When driving in Michigan, I note little regard by ANYBODY for the speedlimits. That's certainly true, especially around the Detroit area. Unless you're doing something really egregious, like weaving through traffic, you're unlikely to get ticketed there. I don't know why this is; maybe they have higher priorities. It certainly can't be that they don't need the revenue. Since you mention I-75, I'm curious what your impression of the drivers there is like. On my few trips through Ohio on I-75, I've seen some pretty crazy behavior, like people passing on the left shoulder. Is that typical Ohio driving or was I just observing a rare nutcase?
Re: [MBZ] Speed enforcement (was: Re: MBZ Branson)
In Ohio, the rare nutcase is very common. They also pass on the right shoulder. We also have our fair share of silver haired drivers that are so short, the car looks unoccupied from behind. They usually have the clip on wrap-around rear view mirror and the amber sunglasses that fit over their trifocals. I can make fun of them because I only wear bifocals. -Dave Walton 94S350, 99E300 On 6/6/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ned kleinhenz wrote: Ohio strictly enforces speed limits upon EVERYBODY. When driving in Michigan, I note little regard by ANYBODY for the speedlimits. That's certainly true, especially around the Detroit area. Unless you're doing something really egregious, like weaving through traffic, you're unlikely to get ticketed there. I don't know why this is; maybe they have higher priorities. It certainly can't be that they don't need the revenue. Since you mention I-75, I'm curious what your impression of the drivers there is like. On my few trips through Ohio on I-75, I've seen some pretty crazy behavior, like people passing on the left shoulder. Is that typical Ohio driving or was I just observing a rare nutcase? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] @ Speed
Hi, All. My (first) wife had an Olds F85 station wagon with a 330 and a 2 speed, 0 to 70 mph in first, then second, went very fast up to seventy then it became a bit of a slug. Was young and very foolish those days! TTFN Fred Moir I got too soon old and too late smart.
