Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
Fluid and filters need to be changed. No use running fresh fluid through a nasty filter Fresh standard ATF will help flush gunk out. Not as good as synth, but a short shot of synth will allow you to change to longer periods. clay On Oct 27, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Alan Clarke wrote: Doesn't doing several changes defeat the purpose of going to synthetic, namely extended fluid change. BTW, when I first got my vehicle I stocked up on both Amzoil for the engine as well as this transmission fluid which I am now talking about using. This isn't cheap stuff but on the other hand it's cheaper than transmission repair down the road. On 10/27/2012 7:52 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: when I changed my transmission over to Mobil synthetic ATF it came out dirty the first several times - lots of black stuff in the fluid. Not chunks, but just not clear. I guess it came from the bands. Similar with the differential. On two diesel trucks I owned, changing to synthetic caused one to develop a rear main leak while the other was fine. I would say YMMV. On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:55 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I would not fear using Synth in an old transmission. I have used it in both Gump and Frosch with no troubles or leakage. It does tend to clean up the garbage inside the transmission, so you do a short run for the first fill. Also used it in standard street cars 10-20 years old. When you change the fluid, swap in a fresh filter and the seal. No leaks. I have only used Mobil 1, so no idea if Amsoil is any less of a product, but I would doubt. Drain the TC when you do the fluid so you have a true clean system. clay On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Alan Clarke wrote: Wanted some advise or thoughts on using Amsoil ATF in my 85 Turbo. It is a synthetic rated as a Dexron II and III replacement. One mechanic I respect thought it was bad idea to use for reasons of causing leaking seals and the like in an older tranny. The tranny has been serviced regularly and has under 150K mile. Another mechanic who works on Mercedes thought it would be OK as long as it was an approved fluid by MBZ for their vehicles. I'm not sure if it's approved or not. Does anyone have any information and or thoughts about the use of synthetic Amsoil ATF in an older 123 Diesel with a 722.315 transmission? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
Cheaper is walking, you do oil analysis to ensure you have the best possible lubrication and to get an idea whats going on inside your engine... -Curt Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:27:22 -0700 From: Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission Message-ID: 508c197a.4030...@pacbell.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed That's another thought. My hope is that 1) I'm not that high mileage, 150K or so and 2) there was a maintenance sticker on the car when I bought it and I talked to the mechanic so I have reason to hope it was well maintained. But, you mentioned getting an analysis done and that is cheaper than changing the fluid on general principle. On 10/27/2012 9:05 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: You work up to longer duration changes, the first couple changes just scrub out all the crud that built up either from using inferior quality stuff or from poor previous maintenance on the previous owner's part. When I first got my '85 190D oil analysis showed high iron levels in the engine oil. After a few changes with Mobil 1 the iron levels went down to normal and stayed there even with 10,000+ mile oil changes. The previous owner swore to me he changed the oil every 5,000 miles but I don't recall any mention of what oil he'd used. I always assume the previous owner was and idiot (well except for the car I bought from Dwight) and maintain it accordingly. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
when I changed my transmission over to Mobil synthetic ATF it came out dirty the first several times - lots of black stuff in the fluid. Not chunks, but just not clear. I guess it came from the bands. Similar with the differential. On two diesel trucks I owned, changing to synthetic caused one to develop a rear main leak while the other was fine. I would say YMMV. On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:55 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I would not fear using Synth in an old transmission. I have used it in both Gump and Frosch with no troubles or leakage. It does tend to clean up the garbage inside the transmission, so you do a short run for the first fill. Also used it in standard street cars 10-20 years old. When you change the fluid, swap in a fresh filter and the seal. No leaks. I have only used Mobil 1, so no idea if Amsoil is any less of a product, but I would doubt. Drain the TC when you do the fluid so you have a true clean system. clay On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Alan Clarke wrote: Wanted some advise or thoughts on using Amsoil ATF in my 85 Turbo. It is a synthetic rated as a Dexron II and III replacement. One mechanic I respect thought it was bad idea to use for reasons of causing leaking seals and the like in an older tranny. The tranny has been serviced regularly and has under 150K mile. Another mechanic who works on Mercedes thought it would be OK as long as it was an approved fluid by MBZ for their vehicles. I'm not sure if it's approved or not. Does anyone have any information and or thoughts about the use of synthetic Amsoil ATF in an older 123 Diesel with a 722.315 transmission? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
Doesn't doing several changes defeat the purpose of going to synthetic, namely extended fluid change. BTW, when I first got my vehicle I stocked up on both Amzoil for the engine as well as this transmission fluid which I am now talking about using. This isn't cheap stuff but on the other hand it's cheaper than transmission repair down the road. On 10/27/2012 7:52 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: when I changed my transmission over to Mobil synthetic ATF it came out dirty the first several times - lots of black stuff in the fluid. Not chunks, but just not clear. I guess it came from the bands. Similar with the differential. On two diesel trucks I owned, changing to synthetic caused one to develop a rear main leak while the other was fine. I would say YMMV. On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:55 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I would not fear using Synth in an old transmission. I have used it in both Gump and Frosch with no troubles or leakage. It does tend to clean up the garbage inside the transmission, so you do a short run for the first fill. Also used it in standard street cars 10-20 years old. When you change the fluid, swap in a fresh filter and the seal. No leaks. I have only used Mobil 1, so no idea if Amsoil is any less of a product, but I would doubt. Drain the TC when you do the fluid so you have a true clean system. clay On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Alan Clarke wrote: Wanted some advise or thoughts on using Amsoil ATF in my 85 Turbo. It is a synthetic rated as a Dexron II and III replacement. One mechanic I respect thought it was bad idea to use for reasons of causing leaking seals and the like in an older tranny. The tranny has been serviced regularly and has under 150K mile. Another mechanic who works on Mercedes thought it would be OK as long as it was an approved fluid by MBZ for their vehicles. I'm not sure if it's approved or not. Does anyone have any information and or thoughts about the use of synthetic Amsoil ATF in an older 123 Diesel with a 722.315 transmission? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
Since synthetic tends to clean out engines and transmissions, switching cars that haven't used synthetics before costs more if you want clean fluid. On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net wrote: Doesn't doing several changes defeat the purpose of going to synthetic, namely extended fluid change. BTW, when I first got my vehicle I stocked up on both Amzoil for the engine as well as this transmission fluid which I am now talking about using. This isn't cheap stuff but on the other hand it's cheaper than transmission repair down the road. On 10/27/2012 7:52 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: when I changed my transmission over to Mobil synthetic ATF it came out dirty the first several times - lots of black stuff in the fluid. Not chunks, but just not clear. I guess it came from the bands. Similar with the differential. On two diesel trucks I owned, changing to synthetic caused one to develop a rear main leak while the other was fine. I would say YMMV. On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:55 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I would not fear using Synth in an old transmission. I have used it in both Gump and Frosch with no troubles or leakage. It does tend to clean up the garbage inside the transmission, so you do a short run for the first fill. Also used it in standard street cars 10-20 years old. When you change the fluid, swap in a fresh filter and the seal. No leaks. I have only used Mobil 1, so no idea if Amsoil is any less of a product, but I would doubt. Drain the TC when you do the fluid so you have a true clean system. clay On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Alan Clarke wrote: Wanted some advise or thoughts on using Amsoil ATF in my 85 Turbo. It is a synthetic rated as a Dexron II and III replacement. One mechanic I respect thought it was bad idea to use for reasons of causing leaking seals and the like in an older tranny. The tranny has been serviced regularly and has under 150K mile. Another mechanic who works on Mercedes thought it would be OK as long as it was an approved fluid by MBZ for their vehicles. I'm not sure if it's approved or not. Does anyone have any information and or thoughts about the use of synthetic Amsoil ATF in an older 123 Diesel with a 722.315 transmission? __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net wrote: Doesn't doing several changes defeat the purpose of going to synthetic, namely extended fluid change. BTW, when I first got my vehicle I stocked up I'd say the primary purpose is superior lubrication. The issue is that the old fluids tend to turn into mud and collect on the surfaces - especially if it wasn't always changed properly in its past - whereas the new fluid will clean out the old fluid and then your transmission will be properly lubricated as designed. Once you have clean fluid you will have no problems with extended change intervals, because of the superior lubrication and cleaning properties of the synthetic, but in the beginning you will probably want to go even shorter than normal to clean up the old mess. on both Amzoil for the engine as well as this transmission fluid which I am now talking about using. This isn't cheap stuff but on the other hand it's cheaper than transmission repair down the road. Exactly. :) Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
My '96 Dakota (v8, 4x4) had a wicked rear main seal leak at around 90,000 miles. I switched to Mobil 1 10w30 and after about 10,000 miles the leak had slowed from a qt every 500 miles to a qt every 3000 miles where it stayed until I got rid of the truck (due to tinworm and transmission issues) at 222,000 miles... In another case I had a 10hp single cyl lawnmower that had 80psi compression and would barely run and was wicked hard to start. I switched to Mobil 1 and after 2 days of hard mowing (theres nothing else on our farm) I measured again at 90psi and starting was much improved (although still hard). I got an extra season out of what was basically a knackered mower. Had to, our other one threw a rod... Now my '83 240D started leaking worse after I'd switched to Mobil 1, then back to conventional, then back to Mobil 1 so that seems inadvisable. The thing is on a 30 year old car theres no way to tell if Mobil 1 caused the leak or if the leak was just lying dormant waiting to spring out at any time. -Curt Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:52:51 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission Message-ID: CACnCPh=rt5zp0yoyore7et-u1bhkmsxzcovvgzrw_k6+lkj...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 when I changed my transmission over to Mobil synthetic ATF it came out dirty the first several times - lots of black stuff in the fluid. Not chunks, but just not clear. I guess it came from the bands. Similar with the differential. On two diesel trucks I owned, changing to synthetic caused one to develop a rear main leak while the other was fine. I would say YMMV. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
You work up to longer duration changes, the first couple changes just scrub out all the crud that built up either from using inferior quality stuff or from poor previous maintenance on the previous owner's part. When I first got my '85 190D oil analysis showed high iron levels in the engine oil. After a few changes with Mobil 1 the iron levels went down to normal and stayed there even with 10,000+ mile oil changes. The previous owner swore to me he changed the oil every 5,000 miles but I don't recall any mention of what oil he'd used. I always assume the previous owner was and idiot (well except for the car I bought from Dwight) and maintain it accordingly. -Curt Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:21:59 -0700 From: Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission Message-ID: 508bfc17.1070...@pacbell.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Doesn't doing several changes defeat the purpose of going to synthetic, namely extended fluid change. BTW, when I first got my vehicle I stocked up on both Amzoil for the engine as well as this transmission fluid which I am now talking about using. This isn't cheap stuff but on the other hand it's cheaper than transmission repair down the road. On 10/27/2012 7:52 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: when I changed my transmission over to Mobil synthetic ATF it came out dirty the first several times - lots of black stuff in the fluid. Not chunks, but just not clear. I guess it came from the bands. Similar with the differential. On two diesel trucks I owned, changing to synthetic caused one to develop a rear main leak while the other was fine. I would say YMMV. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
That's another thought. My hope is that 1) I'm not that high mileage, 150K or so and 2) there was a maintenance sticker on the car when I bought it and I talked to the mechanic so I have reason to hope it was well maintained. But, you mentioned getting an analysis done and that is cheaper than changing the fluid on general principle. On 10/27/2012 9:05 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: You work up to longer duration changes, the first couple changes just scrub out all the crud that built up either from using inferior quality stuff or from poor previous maintenance on the previous owner's part. When I first got my '85 190D oil analysis showed high iron levels in the engine oil. After a few changes with Mobil 1 the iron levels went down to normal and stayed there even with 10,000+ mile oil changes. The previous owner swore to me he changed the oil every 5,000 miles but I don't recall any mention of what oil he'd used. I always assume the previous owner was and idiot (well except for the car I bought from Dwight) and maintain it accordingly. -Curt Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:21:59 -0700 From: Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission Message-ID: 508bfc17.1070...@pacbell.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Doesn't doing several changes defeat the purpose of going to synthetic, namely extended fluid change. BTW, when I first got my vehicle I stocked up on both Amzoil for the engine as well as this transmission fluid which I am now talking about using. This isn't cheap stuff but on the other hand it's cheaper than transmission repair down the road. On 10/27/2012 7:52 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: when I changed my transmission over to Mobil synthetic ATF it came out dirty the first several times - lots of black stuff in the fluid. Not chunks, but just not clear. I guess it came from the bands. Similar with the differential. On two diesel trucks I owned, changing to synthetic caused one to develop a rear main leak while the other was fine. I would say YMMV. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
Rick Knoble wrote: I use Mobil 1 ATF as it is cheaper. Amsoil makes fine products too. Mobil 1ATF is thought of as an elixer for tired transmissions by some folks. I would expect Amsoil to perform nearly as well, if not as well as Mobil 1. I don't think Amsoil makes anything, I think they buy it from Mobil. I generally assume that Amsoil products are what Mobil One would be if Mobil didn't shave costs to maximize profit. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
Many old-timers will steer you away from synthetic because of unspecified troubles they've heard about. Its the Guy down at pub phenomenon. They heard from a guy down at the pub that synthetic oil/ATF/grease/whatever is bad stuff so they'll never use it. Never mind that they have no first hand experience with the stuff. Yes seals will often leak when changing to synthetic lubricants as crud gets cleaned away but frequently the seals will then swell and the same leaks will then seal up. I've seen this many times when switching to synthetic engine oil. -Curt Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:34:40 -0700 From: Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission Message-ID: 508a04d0.4040...@pacbell.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Wanted some advise or thoughts on using Amsoil ATF in my 85 Turbo. It is a synthetic rated as a Dexron II and III replacement. One mechanic I respect thought it was bad idea to use for reasons of causing leaking seals and the like in an older tranny. The tranny has been serviced regularly and has under 150K mile. Another mechanic who works on Mercedes thought it would be OK as long as it was an approved fluid by MBZ for their vehicles. I'm not sure if it's approved or not. Does anyone have any information and or thoughts about the use of synthetic Amsoil ATF in an older 123 Diesel with a 722.315 transmission? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes seals will often leak when changing to synthetic lubricants as crud gets cleaned away but frequently the seals will then swell and the same leaks will then seal up. I've seen this many times when switching to synthetic engine oil. What Curt said. The early leaking often turns people off, but as the seals get properly lubricated they will (usually) get back into shape. I imagine you have some small chance that the loosened old-oil crud will get stuck in something, but in my opinion the longevity benefits of proper lubrication vastly outweigh that risk. Still might be worth changing filters at the halfway point, just the same, after a switch. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
My thanks to those that responded. It was confusing because MBZ has a list of recommended fluids. According to Amzoil, who I called, the specification is the Dextron III specification and they say that is the critical thing that the fluid meet, which is what I think you were saying. It is recommended on their website which I think gives them legal liability. Something they don't do, by the way, with the Amzoil that I have been using for the engine: Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel Marine Motor Oil *SAE 15W-40 (AME)*. They do recommend a 5W-30 European Oil so apparently it meets some European spec. He was saying that was possibly meeting an emissions criteria so I'm not going to worry about it. Again, thanks all. On 10/25/2012 10:19 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Oct 25, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net wrote: Does anyone have any information and or thoughts about the use of synthetic Amsoil ATF in an older 123 Diesel with a 722.315 transmission? This meets the MB spec http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atf.aspx That is specified here http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/d/d/en/Spec_231_1.pdf I use Mobil 1 ATF as it is cheaper. Amsoil makes fine products too. Mobil 1ATF is thought of as an elixer for tired transmissions by some folks. I would expect Amsoil to perform nearly as well, if not as well as Mobil 1. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
Alan Clarke wrote: My thanks to those that responded. It was confusing because MBZ has a list of recommended fluids. According to Amzoil, who I called, the specification is the Dextron III specification and they say that is the critical thing that the fluid meet, which is what I think you were saying. It is recommended on their website which I think gives them legal liability. Something they don't do, by the way, with the Amzoil that I have been using for the engine: Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel Marine Motor Oil *SAE 15W-40 (AME)*. They do recommend a 5W-30 European Oil so apparently it meets some European spec. He was saying that was possibly meeting an emissions criteria so I'm not going to worry about it. Again, thanks all. The 15W40 is probably good stuff for your engine. 5W40 or 15W50 Mobil One are fine too. Don't put 5W30 anything in a W123 diesel. Probably not in any MBZ diesel, I think the CDI engines require 0W40. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
Good research Rick... the specs are important, especially the older ones listed there. The Amsoil looks like it will work.. I'm a big fan of Febi 08971... you can find it by look up the equivalent MB part number 000 989 92 03 on various sites on the internet. It does wonders for improving the shift quality on 722.0, 1, 2, 3, 4 transmissions... And its a Dexron IID fluid. Its not backward compatible with older transmissions its made for older transmissions. Jaime On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Oct 25, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net wrote: Does anyone have any information and or thoughts about the use of synthetic Amsoil ATF in an older 123 Diesel with a 722.315 transmission? This meets the MB spec http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atf.aspx That is specified here http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/d/d/en/Spec_231_1.pdf I use Mobil 1 ATF as it is cheaper. Amsoil makes fine products too. Mobil 1ATF is thought of as an elixer for tired transmissions by some folks. I would expect Amsoil to perform nearly as well, if not as well as Mobil 1. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
I would not fear using Synth in an old transmission. I have used it in both Gump and Frosch with no troubles or leakage. It does tend to clean up the garbage inside the transmission, so you do a short run for the first fill. Also used it in standard street cars 10-20 years old. When you change the fluid, swap in a fresh filter and the seal. No leaks. I have only used Mobil 1, so no idea if Amsoil is any less of a product, but I would doubt. Drain the TC when you do the fluid so you have a true clean system. clay On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Alan Clarke wrote: Wanted some advise or thoughts on using Amsoil ATF in my 85 Turbo. It is a synthetic rated as a Dexron II and III replacement. One mechanic I respect thought it was bad idea to use for reasons of causing leaking seals and the like in an older tranny. The tranny has been serviced regularly and has under 150K mile. Another mechanic who works on Mercedes thought it would be OK as long as it was an approved fluid by MBZ for their vehicles. I'm not sure if it's approved or not. Does anyone have any information and or thoughts about the use of synthetic Amsoil ATF in an older 123 Diesel with a 722.315 transmission? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
