Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Dwight.That's a keeper.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 21:14:03 -0500
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; fredh.s...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> 
> I saw one today @ Google store. "I don't need Google, my wife knows
> everything".
> On Nov 14, 2014 9:11 PM, "Fred Moir via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
> > My wife needs a T Shirt with the following words"It's not nagging, It's
> > great advice."She's not impressionable either!
> >
> > Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
> >
> > > To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 18:41:52 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride
> > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > >
> > > I eat quiche occasionally, too, and anybody can say whatever they want to
> > > about it; next time I want some and it's available, I'll have some.  I
> > don't
> > > hafta prove anything, I don't hafta impress anybody, and SWMBO is not
> > > impressionable any more.
> > >
> > > Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I saw one today @ Google store. "I don't need Google, my wife knows
everything".
On Nov 14, 2014 9:11 PM, "Fred Moir via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> My wife needs a T Shirt with the following words"It's not nagging, It's
> great advice."She's not impressionable either!
>
> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
>
> > To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 18:41:52 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >
> > I eat quiche occasionally, too, and anybody can say whatever they want to
> > about it; next time I want some and it's available, I'll have some.  I
> don't
> > hafta prove anything, I don't hafta impress anybody, and SWMBO is not
> > impressionable any more.
> >
> > Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

My wife needs a T Shirt with the following words"It's not nagging, It's great 
advice."She's not impressionable either!

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 18:41:52 -0500
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> 
> I eat quiche occasionally, too, and anybody can say whatever they want to 
> about it; next time I want some and it's available, I'll have some.  I don't 
> hafta prove anything, I don't hafta impress anybody, and SWMBO is not 
> impressionable any more.
> 
> Wilton
  
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I eat quiche occasionally, too, and anybody can say whatever they want to 
about it; next time I want some and it's available, I'll have some.  I don't 
hafta prove anything, I don't hafta impress anybody, and SWMBO is not 
impressionable any more.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "dseretakis--- via Mercedes" 
To: "Dan Penoff" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" 


Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride


Actually I'm quite fond of quiche. You'd never guess of course since I'm a 
manly man who drives MB diesels:) I have a softer side too you know.


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On Nov 14, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Careful. I ate quiche yesterday and it was yummy!

Okie Benz had a quotes page at one time. Haven't looked to see if it's 
still there.


Dan who believes he is a real man despite eating quiche

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On Nov 14, 2014, at 2:33 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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Didn't we have somewhere to store memorable messages at one time?
I nominate this one.

RB who drives a Mercedes diesel and a pickup truck

(Guess I should avoid eating quiche?)

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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Actually I'm quite fond of quiche. You'd never guess of course since I'm a 
manly man who drives MB diesels:) I have a softer side too you know.

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> On Nov 14, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Careful. I ate quiche yesterday and it was yummy!
> 
> Okie Benz had a quotes page at one time. Haven't looked to see if it's still 
> there.
> 
> Dan who believes he is a real man despite eating quiche
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Nov 14, 2014, at 2:33 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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>> Didn't we have somewhere to store memorable messages at one time?
>> I nominate this one.
>> 
>> RB who drives a Mercedes diesel and a pickup truck
>> 
>> (Guess I should avoid eating quiche?)
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Nah, must have been some sort of egg pie and not quiche, surely.

RB

On 14/11/2014 1:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Careful. I ate quiche yesterday and it was yummy!

Okie Benz had a quotes page at one time. Haven't looked to see if it's still 
there.

Dan who believes he is a real man despite eating quiche

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Didn't we have somewhere to store memorable messages at one time?
I nominate this one.

RB who drives a Mercedes diesel and a pickup truck

(Guess I should avoid eating quiche?)

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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

No, no, those were just rumours.
He is still out there moving old MB's.

RB

On 14/11/2014 1:38 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Yes, Kaleb used to keep a quotes page on Okiebenz before he died.


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Didn't we have somewhere to store memorable messages at one time?
I nominate this one.

-

Max
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, Kaleb used to keep a quotes page on Okiebenz before he died.


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> Didn't we have somewhere to store memorable messages at one time?
> I nominate this one.
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> -
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Careful. I ate quiche yesterday and it was yummy!

Okie Benz had a quotes page at one time. Haven't looked to see if it's still 
there.

Dan who believes he is a real man despite eating quiche

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> On Nov 14, 2014, at 2:33 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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> Didn't we have somewhere to store memorable messages at one time?
> I nominate this one.
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> RB who drives a Mercedes diesel and a pickup truck
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> (Guess I should avoid eating quiche?)
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

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On 14/11/2014 6:57 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:

That's cuz pansy ass Priapism driving  pussies don't live in ND.
Real men drive Mercedes diesels and trucks:)
  





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I nominate this one.

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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You could also go and look on one of the pricing service pages, couldn't you? 
Doesn't Kelley and others have these?

Dan

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> On Nov 14, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Tim Crone via Mercedes  
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> 
>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 7:54 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>> 
>> Where are you getting those numbers? I just found the base TDI  Passat at
>> $26,825 on www.vw.com. My SE with mandatory hole in the roof is listed as
>> $28,840 now, about the same as I paid in 2012.
> 
> vw.com, models, Passat, detailed, "as pictured" since the base model wasn't
> Diesel.  I couldn't find where they had a more specific pricing that didn't
> involve contacting the dealer; I was assuming they were using the base in
> the picture but perhaps that's not so.
> 
> That said in the Triangle area car prices are a bit high so maybe they
> account for that in their MSRP?  Surely the prices aren't that different
> between here and OK, I could fly over and drive home for that.  Where did
> you find the detail page?
> 
> Best,
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

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On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 7:54 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> Where are you getting those numbers? I just found the base TDI  Passat at
> $26,825 on www.vw.com. My SE with mandatory hole in the roof is listed as
> $28,840 now, about the same as I paid in 2012.
>

vw.com, models, Passat, detailed, "as pictured" since the base model wasn't
Diesel.  I couldn't find where they had a more specific pricing that didn't
involve contacting the dealer; I was assuming they were using the base in
the picture but perhaps that's not so.

That said in the Triangle area car prices are a bit high so maybe they
account for that in their MSRP?  Surely the prices aren't that different
between here and OK, I could fly over and drive home for that.  Where did
you find the detail page?

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Let's play nice, guys.

Even if said in jest, some might take offense at comments like this. We've done 
a good job so far, let's keep it that way.

Thanks!

Dan

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> On Nov 14, 2014, at 7:57 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
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> 
> That's cuz pansy ass Priapism driving  pussies don't live in ND.
> Real men drive Mercedes diesels and trucks:)
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 13, 2014, at 3:45 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
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>> 
>> Betcha see a lot more pickups in ND than prii
>> 
>> Randy runs a pickup in the winter in Winnipeg.
>> 
>> 
>>> How reliable are Pruises when it's 40 below?
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

That's cuz pansy ass Priapism driving  pussies don't live in ND.
Real men drive Mercedes diesels and trucks:)
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> Betcha see a lot more pickups in ND than prii
> 
> Randy runs a pickup in the winter in Winnipeg.
> 
> 
>> How reliable are Pruises when it's 40 below?
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The Jetta I tested in 2012 was listed around $23k.

Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Where are you getting those numbers? I just found the base TDI  Passat at
$26,825 on www.vw.com. My SE with mandatory hole in the roof is listed as
$28,840 now, about the same as I paid in 2012.

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tim Crone via Mercedes <
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> 

all base MSRP for 2015s off manufacturer web sites:
> TDI Passat: 33585
>



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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

ND is a wealthy state.
Lots of bigger cars and SUVs in Grand Forks when we go there.
No shortage of pickup trucks anywhere around here.
Oddly, I do not see a lot of old ones. Not sure what happens to them.
Rarely see 2WD versions either.

RB


On 13/11/2014 2:45 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Betcha see a lot more pickups in ND than prii

Randy runs a pickup in the winter in Winnipeg.



How reliable are Pruises when it's 40 below?

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[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Betcha see a lot more pickups in ND than prii

Randy runs a pickup in the winter in Winnipeg.



How reliable are Pruises when it's 40 below?

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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride -- StopStart

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Speaking of electrics and such, I noticed a coupla weeks ago sitting at 
a stop light next to a GLK that the motor was shutting off, then 
starting again when the car moved.  The driver kept creeping forward so 
the car must have stopped and started 4 or 5 times while sitting there.  
That surprised me.  Then last week I was at a light next to a new S and 
same thing, the engine stopped and started.  With both cars it was very 
quick to start, barely a turn of the crank it seemed.  Is this the new 
fuel-savings method Benz have implemented? Must be killer on the starter 
and battery.  Wonder what those cost to replace?


--R


On 11/13/14 3:34 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:

I think it was charge/discharge cycles over time.  Something like 8-10 years, 
but as little as six.   Short trips and poor driving habits (hard braking and 
accel).   The base load is handled by the gas engine, the electric is used for 
power boost on highway and for slow speed/city traffic/starts.  Gas cuts off at 
a stop, battery takes over for ultra slow speed travel until something like 
6+mph.   There is also a latent drain on the main lithium cells at rest.  If 
the car is not taken for a ride regularly, it drains and reduces capacity and 
life span.

Grandma had an early priapismo and it died quietly in the garage.  It being a 
sunday driver less than a mile to church.

clay





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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My acquaintance said that their battery was not covered under warranty, which 
was one of the motivations for dumping it.

They bought it new, I know that much.

Dan

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> On Nov 13, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
> 
>> On 13/11/2014 1:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I guess my next question would be, how long can one expect the main battery 
>> to last?  Is it a time or mileage thing?
>> 
>> Dan
> My understanding is that they have a good warranty and the batteries last 
> very well.
> Pretty well all of the taxi cabs around here are Prius and the cabbies swear 
> they are great.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

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How reliable are Pruises when it's 40 below?

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 13/11/2014 2:34 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I think it was charge/discharge cycles over time.  Something like 8-10
>> years, but as little as six.   Short trips and poor driving habits (hard
>> braking and accel).   The base load is handled by the gas engine, the
>> electric is used for power boost on highway and for slow speed/city
>> traffic/starts.  Gas cuts off at a stop, battery takes over for ultra slow
>> speed travel until something like 6+mph.   There is also a latent drain on
>> the main lithium cells at rest.  If the car is not taken for a ride
>> regularly, it drains and reduces capacity and life span.
>>
>> Grandma had an early priapismo and it died quietly in the garage.  It
>> being a sunday driver less than a mile to church.
>>
>> clay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  So, like a diesel, one must use them hard.
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

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On 13/11/2014 2:34 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:

I think it was charge/discharge cycles over time.  Something like 8-10 years, 
but as little as six.   Short trips and poor driving habits (hard braking and 
accel).   The base load is handled by the gas engine, the electric is used for 
power boost on highway and for slow speed/city traffic/starts.  Gas cuts off at 
a stop, battery takes over for ultra slow speed travel until something like 
6+mph.   There is also a latent drain on the main lithium cells at rest.  If 
the car is not taken for a ride regularly, it drains and reduces capacity and 
life span.

Grandma had an early priapismo and it died quietly in the garage.  It being a 
sunday driver less than a mile to church.

clay





So, like a diesel, one must use them hard.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

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On 13/11/2014 1:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I guess my next question would be, how long can one expect the main battery to 
last?  Is it a time or mileage thing?

Dan


My understanding is that they have a good warranty and the batteries 
last very well.
Pretty well all of the taxi cabs around here are Prius and the cabbies 
swear they are great.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[Clay via Mercedes]

I think it was charge/discharge cycles over time.  Something like 8-10 years, 
but as little as six.   Short trips and poor driving habits (hard braking and 
accel).   The base load is handled by the gas engine, the electric is used for 
power boost on highway and for slow speed/city traffic/starts.  Gas cuts off at 
a stop, battery takes over for ultra slow speed travel until something like 
6+mph.   There is also a latent drain on the main lithium cells at rest.  If 
the car is not taken for a ride regularly, it drains and reduces capacity and 
life span.

Grandma had an early priapismo and it died quietly in the garage.  It being a 
sunday driver less than a mile to church.

clay



On Nov 13, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> I guess my next question would be, how long can one expect the main battery 
> to last?  Is it a time or mileage thing?
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Clay  wrote:
>> 
>> Batteries used to be in the $10k range for the early cars.  Now there are 
>> generics that run $3k.  The pita is that the dumb cars are scrap when the 
>> little battery goes dead.  The whole thing will not work until a fresh $200 
>> (?!?) lead acid or glass wrap is put in.  Then all the computers need a 
>> reset, according to my neighbor.  The main battery can be in perfect shape, 
>> but the tiny one controls the car
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2014, at 9:08 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not piling on or taking sides here, just curious:
>>> 
>>> What kind of costs are involved in replacement of the batteries on a Prius? 
>>>  I had an acquaintance who bought one new and later sold or traded it when 
>>> the batteries needed replacement. She didn't know what the costs were when 
>>> I asked (her husband is a CPA and dealt with all the car buying details.)
>>> 
>>> She's driving a CPO Benz of some sort now...
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2014, at 12:58 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Mitch Haley 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Curt has a $1500 Jetta TDI.
> 
> Ah!  Well, yes, used is usually cheaper than new. :)
> 
> Best,
> Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

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I guess my next question would be, how long can one expect the main battery to 
last?  Is it a time or mileage thing?

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 13, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Clay  wrote:
> 
> Batteries used to be in the $10k range for the early cars.  Now there are 
> generics that run $3k.  The pita is that the dumb cars are scrap when the 
> little battery goes dead.  The whole thing will not work until a fresh $200 
> (?!?) lead acid or glass wrap is put in.  Then all the computers need a 
> reset, according to my neighbor.  The main battery can be in perfect shape, 
> but the tiny one controls the car
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2014, at 9:08 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not piling on or taking sides here, just curious:
>> 
>> What kind of costs are involved in replacement of the batteries on a Prius?  
>> I had an acquaintance who bought one new and later sold or traded it when 
>> the batteries needed replacement. She didn't know what the costs were when I 
>> asked (her husband is a CPA and dealt with all the car buying details.)
>> 
>> She's driving a CPO Benz of some sort now...
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Nov 13, 2014, at 12:58 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
 On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Mitch Haley 
 wrote:
 
> 
> Curt has a $1500 Jetta TDI.
 
 Ah!  Well, yes, used is usually cheaper than new. :)
 
 Best,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[Clay via Mercedes]

Batteries used to be in the $10k range for the early cars.  Now there are 
generics that run $3k.  The pita is that the dumb cars are scrap when the 
little battery goes dead.  The whole thing will not work until a fresh $200 
(?!?) lead acid or glass wrap is put in.  Then all the computers need a reset, 
according to my neighbor.  The main battery can be in perfect shape, but the 
tiny one controls the car





On Nov 13, 2014, at 9:08 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> I'm not piling on or taking sides here, just curious:
> 
> What kind of costs are involved in replacement of the batteries on a Prius?  
> I had an acquaintance who bought one new and later sold or traded it when the 
> batteries needed replacement. She didn't know what the costs were when I 
> asked (her husband is a CPA and dealt with all the car buying details.)
> 
> She's driving a CPO Benz of some sort now...
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Nov 13, 2014, at 12:58 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
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> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Mitch Haley 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 
 Curt has a $1500 Jetta TDI.
>>> 
>>> Ah!  Well, yes, used is usually cheaper than new. :)
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I'm not piling on or taking sides here, just curious:

What kind of costs are involved in replacement of the batteries on a Prius?  I 
had an acquaintance who bought one new and later sold or traded it when the 
batteries needed replacement. She didn't know what the costs were when I asked 
(her husband is a CPA and dealt with all the car buying details.)

She's driving a CPO Benz of some sort now...

Dan

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>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Mitch Haley 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>>  Curt has a $1500 Jetta TDI.
>> 
>> Ah!  Well, yes, used is usually cheaper than new. :)
>> 
>> Best,
>> Tim
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> used pious in working condition, that you can buy a LOT of Diesel fuel with 
> the difference.
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

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On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Mitch Haley 
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  Curt has a $1500 Jetta TDI.



Ah!  Well, yes, used is usually cheaper than new. :)

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

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On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Mitch Haley 
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>
>  Curt has a $1500 Jetta TDI.
>

Ah!  Well, yes, used is usually cheaper than new. :)

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

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> On November 13, 2014 at 12:04 PM Tim Crone via Mercedes
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>
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > We almost never see more than $0.50 spread which considering how much more
> > you spent on your Prius than I spent on the Jetta will but a helluva lot of
> > fuel...
> >
>
> I'm curious how you arrive at this conclusion.
 
Curt has a $1500 Jetta TDI.
 
I saw it when Curt and Angie drove it to Michigan last summer.
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

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> We almost never see more than $0.50 spread which considering how much more
> you spent on your Prius than I spent on the Jetta will but a helluva lot of
> fuel...
>

I'm curious how you arrive at this conclusion.  I've been keeping tabs on
"new" car prices (fallback if the van fails and I don't have Wilton's SDL
reliable), all base MSRP for 2015s off manufacturer web sites:
TDI Jetta: can't find a price with the TDI, didn't look too hard
TDI Jetta Wagon: 26565
TDI Passat: 33585

Prius 2: 24200
...three middle models...
Prius 5: 30005

The back seat on the Jetta is really too small for all the children, so I
was mostly looking at the Passat until I saw the price for the TDI
upgrade.  Also, diesel here is consistently between 60c and 90c more
expensive here than regular.  Personally I'd rather have a Camry hybrid
(26790 (vs 22970 for non-hybrid)), but the Prius family is really not a bad
deal given the market.

Now, why we can't import baby diesels like they have in India I don't quite
understand, but given the family situation it's really a moot point for me
anyway. :)

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

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On 11/12/14 9:29 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Yabut we wine drinkin', cheese eatin', ancient yuppies also care about the 
environment, global warming, little owls, rare mice, and EPA bureaucrats; so we 
buy Prius' and blow your smelly old diesels off the road.  [:o)
Gerry

dseretakis wrote:


I still don't understand why the vast majority of stupid American cows in the 
herd can't see this. A small engined diesel powered car will outperform a 
Priapism on all fronts yet they still buy priapisms. Argh!!

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Yeah around town... Let's go from Florida to New England and back. My TDI will 
stomp a Prius for mileage, speed, comfort and price...

Curt

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Yabut we wine drinkin', cheese eatin', ancient yuppies also care about the 
environment, global warming, little owls, rare mice, and EPA bureaucrats; so we 
buy Prius' and blow your smelly old diesels off the road.  [:o)
Gerry 

dseretakis wrote:

> I still don't understand why the vast majority of stupid American cows in the 
> herd can't see this. A small engined diesel powered car will outperform a 
> Priapism on all fronts yet they still buy priapisms. Argh!! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > 
> > Yeah around town... Let's go from Florida to New England and back. My TDI 
> > will stomp a Prius for mileage, speed, comfort and price...
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

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Curt wrote:
> We almost never see more than $0.50 spread which considering how much more 
> you spent on your Prius than I spent on the Jetta will but a helluva lot of 
> fuel...

To be honest, if I were a few years younger I would probably have bought a used 
Jetta diesel or even driven my '83 300D on long trips and repaired them myself 
if they broke down, but at my age I wanted a car that got 40+ mpg on the 
highway, had an extended warranty, a large number of dealers nationwide, and a 
very good repair record. Also, since the car will mostly be used locally, the 
50+ mpg/city of the Prius made it the best choice.
If a person is lucky enough to have more money than time left to spend it when 
they retire, the price of their car is not the most important factor.
There are some things I don't like about the Prius (their seats might as well 
have been made of wooden boards), and the drivers space is cramped.
Since the resale price for clean Prius' is one of the highest, I might wind up 
with a different car entirely. 
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

I still don't understand why the vast majority of stupid American cows in the 
herd can't see this. A small engined diesel powered car will outperform a 
Priapism on all fronts yet they still buy priapisms. Argh!! 

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> Yeah around town... Let's go from Florida to New England and back. My TDI 
> will stomp a Prius for mileage, speed, comfort and price...
> 
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We almost never see more than $0.50 spread which considering how much more you 
spent on your Prius than I spent on the Jetta will but a helluva lot of fuel...

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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

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I filled up @ $3.21 last week (Montgomery County, MD), but the price is now
$3.33.  Credit card sale..

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> Curt  wrote:
> > TDI will do better faster. My record is 55mpg.
> > Curt
>
> Your "Beetle" might do better up there where everything is downhill and
> the air is thicker, but down here in the flatlands, My Prius will clean
> your Beetles clock. (grin)
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Curt  wrote:
> TDI will do better faster. My record is 55mpg.
> Curt

Your "Beetle" might do better up there where everything is downhill and the air 
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clock. (grin)
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Curt wrote:

> Yeah around town... Let's go from Florida to New England and back. My TDI 
> will stomp a Prius for mileage, speed, comfort and price...
> Curt

Not if the price of diesel up there is a dollar more per gallon like it is down 
here fairly often. Besides that VWs break down a lot oftener than Prius'. I've 
searched the 'net and can't find a DIY Prius list that describes anywhere near 
the range of repairs that the usual VW or Mercedes list does. Find me a Prius 
DIY list that compares to this one and I'll save my 300D for you until spring. 
Might even drive it up there and meet you at my BILs farm in SE Pennsylvania.
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

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Haven't yet checked the mpg by the usual methods.


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TDI will do better faster. My record is 55mpg.

Curt

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Yeah around town... Let's go from Florida to New England and back. My TDI will 
stomp a Prius for mileage, speed, comfort and price...

Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

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What country?

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:32 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
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>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
>
> > You had it (Prius) long enough to get any numbers on a long trip at
> 70-75mph?
>
> G: On a 200 round trip at 60 mph it got around 46 mpg.
>
> > Still sort of tempted to get a GM car with the 1.4L turbo, but I think
> I've
> > gotten over that bug. I'm thinking such a car would do low 40s at 70mph
> or maybe
> > 50 at 55mph.
>
> G: Friend has been happy with a Volt for several years. Since it's a
> plug-in he gets very low cost-per-mile and he's had no repairs after 50K
> miles.
> On road trips he gets mpg in the low 40's.
>
> G: Son has a Ford Fusion hybrid that got 37 mpg at 70 mph on trip from
> Nashville to Orlando. When I drove it, the mpg pattern on the display was
> similar to the mpg pattern on the Prius. It probably get something less
> than a Prius locally since it's a heavier car. At 100K+ miles he has some
> sort of noise the mechanics can't identify, so he's waiting until he buys
> the next set of tires; tires being a common cause for such noises.
>
> G: Nearly all speed limits in this county are 45 mph, so I drive around at
> 50 and the display shows 56 mpg on the Prius. Haven't yet checked the mpg
> by the usual methods.
>
>  AFAIK, nothing available in USA beats or even matches a 15 year old
> > Honda Insight. The problem with 2 seat Insights is that they're all
> either worn
> > out with 200-300k miles on them, have dead batteries, or aren't for sale.
> > Mitch.
>
> Agreed.
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

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Mitch Haley wrote:

> You had it (Prius) long enough to get any numbers on a long trip at 70-75mph?

G: On a 200 round trip at 60 mph it got around 46 mpg.

> Still sort of tempted to get a GM car with the 1.4L turbo, but I think I've 
> gotten over that bug. I'm thinking such a car would do low 40s at 70mph or 
> maybe 
> 50 at 55mph.

G: Friend has been happy with a Volt for several years. Since it's a plug-in he 
gets very low cost-per-mile and he's had no repairs after 50K miles.
On road trips he gets mpg in the low 40's. 

G: Son has a Ford Fusion hybrid that got 37 mpg at 70 mph on trip from 
Nashville to Orlando. When I drove it, the mpg pattern on the display was 
similar to the mpg pattern on the Prius. It probably get something less than a 
Prius locally since it's a heavier car. At 100K+ miles he has some sort of 
noise the mechanics can't identify, so he's waiting until he buys the next set 
of tires; tires being a common cause for such noises.

G: Nearly all speed limits in this county are 45 mph, so I drive around at 50 
and the display shows 56 mpg on the Prius. Haven't yet checked the mpg by the 
usual methods.

 AFAIK, nothing available in USA beats or even matches a 15 year old 
> Honda Insight. The problem with 2 seat Insights is that they're all either 
> worn 
> out with 200-300k miles on them, have dead batteries, or aren't for sale.
> Mitch.

Agreed.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

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OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:

> VW Passat TDI - I hit 53 mpg on the road.
> It all depends on the mission profile - mostly in town, get one of those
> Jap hybrids, or even better, the Volt. For the highway, it's hard to equal, 
> much less beat, a modern Diesel.  I saw some Diesel/electric buses in
> Providence last month - that's what we need.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
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> > Rabbit Diesel  50 MPG on the road.

> >  AFAIK, nothing available in USA beats or even matches a 15 year old Honda 
> > Insight. The problem with 2 seat Insights is that they're all either worn 
> > out with 200-300k miles on them, have dead batteries, or aren't for sale.
> OK Don

Insights were my first choice, but I couldn't find one that wasn't what you 
said. 60+ mpg is about the highest ever seen for a production car in the U.S.
Gerry

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VW Passat TDI - I hit 53 mpg on the road.
It all depends on the mission profile - mostly in town, get one of those
Jap hybrids, or even better, the Volt. For the highway, it's hard to equal,
much less beat, a modern Diesel.  I saw some Diesel/electric buses in
Providence last month - that's what we need.

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> Rabbit Diesel  50 MPG on the road.
>
>
>  AFAIK, nothing available in USA beats or even matches a 15 year old Honda
>> Insight. The problem with 2 seat Insights is that they're all either worn
>> out with 200-300k miles on them, have dead batteries, or aren't for sale.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Rabbit Diesel  50 MPG on the road.



archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:


Tch! I pity wannabee yuppies who've been kicked out of wine and 
cheese bars because of the gas hogs they were driving.


Gerrywho proudly displays his "Old Yuppie" certificate (that 
came with his Prius) on the back window of his beautiful and 
elegant model that gets 57 MPG!!! and saves the world from global 
warming. [:o)


You had it long enough to get any numbers on a long trip at 70-75mph?
Still sort of tempted to get a GM car with the 1.4L turbo, but I 
think I've gotten over that bug. I'm thinking such a car would do 
low 40s at 70mph or maybe 50 at 55mph. AFAIK, nothing available in 
USA beats or even matches a 15 year old Honda Insight. The problem 
with 2 seat Insights is that they're all either worn out with 
200-300k miles on them, have dead batteries, or aren't for sale.


Mitch.


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archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:


Tch! I pity wannabee yuppies who've been kicked out of wine and cheese bars 
because of the gas hogs they were driving.

Gerrywho proudly displays his "Old Yuppie" certificate (that came with his 
Prius) on the back window of his beautiful and elegant model that gets 57 MPG!!! and 
saves the world from global warming. [:o)


You had it long enough to get any numbers on a long trip at 70-75mph?
Still sort of tempted to get a GM car with the 1.4L turbo, but I think I've 
gotten over that bug. I'm thinking such a car would do low 40s at 70mph or maybe 
50 at 55mph. AFAIK, nothing available in USA beats or even matches a 15 year old 
Honda Insight. The problem with 2 seat Insights is that they're all either worn 
out with 200-300k miles on them, have dead batteries, or aren't for sale.


Mitch.

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They moved over to the whine and cheese bar. 

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Tch! I pity wannabee yuppies who've been kicked out of wine and cheese bars 
because of the gas hogs they were driving.

Gerrywho proudly displays his "Old Yuppie" certificate (that came with his 
Prius) on the back window of his beautiful and elegant model that gets 57 
MPG!!! and saves the world from global warming. [:o)
...
dseretakis--- via Mercedes  wrote:

> Driving a Prius into a Starbuck's drive through. Can't get any more 
> douchebaggy:)
> 
> Would love to see a Jeremy Clarkson run over a priapism in a unimog.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:33 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Nov 9 at 3:39 PM
>> Mark in Thousand Oaks
>> 
>> I'd buy this just to mess with the herd of Prius drivers at the local 
>> Starbucks drive through.
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>>> On 11/10/14 8:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Those guys on BAT must be lurking:
>>> 
>>> http://bringatrailer.com/2014/11/09/1964-mack-b-series-road-tractor/ 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan

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On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:33:04 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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 Those guys on BAT must be lurking:

 http://bringatrailer.com/2014/11/09/1964-mack-b-series-road-tractor/

 > 


When I was in college, there was an old Diamond T for sale at the 
shevey dealer.  $1700  Paint was not as nice, but it was very clean 
burning and complete.  At the time, I wanted  to convert a moving van 
trailer to a "mobile home" and then have a tractor to move it around 
or drive in the rain.  (BMW R75 for fair weather)


Talked seriously with a friend about going into business, but could 
not run interstate because neither of us were 21 at the time.


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On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:33:04 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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> Those guys on BAT must be lurking:
> 
> http://bringatrailer.com/2014/11/09/1964-mack-b-series-road-tractor/
> 

Yup, they certainly must be!

It really is pretty, except for the blacked-out areas on the doors (they
should have used the green color).

The article says, "Engine isn’t mentioned, but these were powered by a
variety of gas and diesel inline sixes and V8s."

But the craigslist ad says, "fuel : gas."

It's a little far from me, and I'd be concerned about parts availability.
I've seen much newer tractors much closer for about the same price. (I do
recall one of those listed as 800,000+ miles.)


Craig

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Driving a Prius into a Starbuck's drive through. Can't get any more 
douchebaggy:)

Would love to see a Jeremy Clarkson run over a priapism in a unimog.

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
> Nov 9 at 3:39 PM
> Mark in Thousand Oaks
> 
> I'd buy this just to mess with the herd of Prius drivers at the local 
> Starbucks drive through.
> 
> --R
> 
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>> Those guys on BAT must be lurking:
>> 
>> http://bringatrailer.com/2014/11/09/1964-mack-b-series-road-tractor/ 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Nov 9 at 3:39 PM
Mark in Thousand Oaks

I'd buy this just to mess with the herd of Prius drivers at the local 
Starbucks drive through.


--R

On 11/10/14 8:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Those guys on BAT must be lurking:

http://bringatrailer.com/2014/11/09/1964-mack-b-series-road-tractor/ 


Dan
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