Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge.

[Mike Esh via Mercedes]

Thanks for the help.
The job is complete. Definately running a little better?
Mike
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On Nov 28, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
wrote:

I left out a lot of stuff, like the fact that the steel supply line and
maybe even the return line will leak fuel when you remove the rubber lines,
so be prepared to deal with that and other things that will come up.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Meade Dillon  wrote:

In the engine bay, on the inside of the left front fender, there are two
steel fuel line connections. Attached are rubber fuel lines that go to the
engine. The "fat" swollen looking hose is the "cigar" hose and is the
return line. Mark the steel line it attaches to so you can keep the steel
lines straight. The other line is the supply line. Disconnect the supply
and return lines, put the ends of the rubber lines into a clean container,
add the can of diesel purge to that container, start the car and rev the
engine until all the diesel purge is consumed. Put the rubber lines back
where they belong.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Can someone give me a quick explanation of how to do a diesel purge? I
have a 1985 300 D. Trying to determine which which hose goes where.
Thanks,
Mike

Michael E. Esh


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge.

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I just did this yesterday. Here's how I did it:

Two pieces of clear hose about 18" long. New primary (inline) and secondary 
(spin on) filters.

Removed old secondary filter. Filled new secondary filter with Diesel Purge and 
installed.

Removed "cigar" hose (return line) at the filter head and clamped short piece 
of hose in its place.

Removed supply hose with old primary filter at injection pump. Used old primary 
filter as a hook to hold it and supply line up and out of the way, higher than 
tank so no fuel would flow.

Got new inline filter and clamped it to piece of hose. Plugged outlet end into 
short hose on injection pump inlet.

Poured remainder of Diesel Purge into clear bottle. Inserted both hoses into 
bottle, making sure hose going to injection pump was all the way to the bottom 
of the bottle.  Pumped primer to make sure any air was purged out of supply 
line.

Started engine and revved throttle up and down while Diesel Purge was consumed. 
Ran until there was almost nothing left in bottle. Shut off engine.

Reconnected hoses and tightened clamps. Pour remaining Diesel Purge into fuel 
tank.

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 28, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Lazy way is to refill secondary filter with Purge when you change the
> filter.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 2005 E320 4 matic
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Nov 28, 2016 12:58 PM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> I left out a lot of stuff, like the fact that the steel supply line and
>> maybe even the return line will leak fuel when you remove the rubber lines,
>> so be prepared to deal with that and other things that will come up.
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Meade Dillon 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> In the engine bay, on the inside of the left front fender, there are two
>>> steel fuel line connections.  Attached are rubber fuel lines that go to
>> the
>>> engine.  The "fat" swollen looking hose is the "cigar" hose and is the
>>> return line.  Mark the steel line it attaches to so you can keep the
>> steel
>>> lines straight.  The other line is the supply line.  Disconnect the
>> supply
>>> and return lines, put the ends of the rubber lines into a clean
>> container,
>>> add the can of diesel purge to that container, start the car and rev the
>>> engine until all the diesel purge is consumed.  Put the rubber lines back
>>> where they belong.
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Can someone give me a quick explanation of how to do a diesel purge? I
 have a 1985 300 D. Trying to determine which which hose goes where.
 Thanks,
 Mike
 
 Michael E. Esh
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Lazy way is to refill secondary filter with Purge when you change the
filter.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4 matic
Wickford RI

On Nov 28, 2016 12:58 PM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I left out a lot of stuff, like the fact that the steel supply line and
> maybe even the return line will leak fuel when you remove the rubber lines,
> so be prepared to deal with that and other things that will come up.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Meade Dillon 
> wrote:
>
> > In the engine bay, on the inside of the left front fender, there are two
> > steel fuel line connections.  Attached are rubber fuel lines that go to
> the
> > engine.  The "fat" swollen looking hose is the "cigar" hose and is the
> > return line.  Mark the steel line it attaches to so you can keep the
> steel
> > lines straight.  The other line is the supply line.  Disconnect the
> supply
> > and return lines, put the ends of the rubber lines into a clean
> container,
> > add the can of diesel purge to that container, start the car and rev the
> > engine until all the diesel purge is consumed.  Put the rubber lines back
> > where they belong.
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Can someone give me a quick explanation of how to do a diesel purge? I
> >> have a 1985 300 D. Trying to determine which which hose goes where.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Michael E. Esh
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge.

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I left out a lot of stuff, like the fact that the steel supply line and
maybe even the return line will leak fuel when you remove the rubber lines,
so be prepared to deal with that and other things that will come up.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Meade Dillon  wrote:

> In the engine bay, on the inside of the left front fender, there are two
> steel fuel line connections.  Attached are rubber fuel lines that go to the
> engine.  The "fat" swollen looking hose is the "cigar" hose and is the
> return line.  Mark the steel line it attaches to so you can keep the steel
> lines straight.  The other line is the supply line.  Disconnect the supply
> and return lines, put the ends of the rubber lines into a clean container,
> add the can of diesel purge to that container, start the car and rev the
> engine until all the diesel purge is consumed.  Put the rubber lines back
> where they belong.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Can someone give me a quick explanation of how to do a diesel purge? I
>> have a 1985 300 D. Trying to determine which which hose goes where.
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
>> Michael E. Esh
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge.

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

In the engine bay, on the inside of the left front fender, there are two
steel fuel line connections.  Attached are rubber fuel lines that go to the
engine.  The "fat" swollen looking hose is the "cigar" hose and is the
return line.  Mark the steel line it attaches to so you can keep the steel
lines straight.  The other line is the supply line.  Disconnect the supply
and return lines, put the ends of the rubber lines into a clean container,
add the can of diesel purge to that container, start the car and rev the
engine until all the diesel purge is consumed.  Put the rubber lines back
where they belong.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Can someone give me a quick explanation of how to do a diesel purge? I
> have a 1985 300 D. Trying to determine which which hose goes where.
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> Michael E. Esh
>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge local source?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

NAPA stocks and shelves it. Local store here has it in good supply... NAPA
warehouse here in Phoenix has it by the case, should you need larger
quantity.

Other FLAPS likely carry it also. Never bothered to check.. have a
commercial account at NAPA so they are my "go to"..


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> How about that, Advance Auto carries it, in stock just a few miles from me!
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > I've never seen it at FLAPS, but I have seen RedLine stuff at PepBoys.
> >
> > Check their web site to see if they list the retailers that sell it.
> >
> > I got mine from Amazon.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > > On Mar 19, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Anyone ever find Lubro Moly diesel purge at a FLAPS?  I was sure I had
> a
> > can or two on the shelf...
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge local source?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

How about that, Advance Auto carries it, in stock just a few miles from me!

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I've never seen it at FLAPS, but I have seen RedLine stuff at PepBoys.
>
> Check their web site to see if they list the retailers that sell it.
>
> I got mine from Amazon.
>
> Dan
>
> > On Mar 19, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone ever find Lubro Moly diesel purge at a FLAPS?  I was sure I had a
> can or two on the shelf...
> > --
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> > Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge local source?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I've never seen it at FLAPS, but I have seen RedLine stuff at PepBoys.

Check their web site to see if they list the retailers that sell it.

I got mine from Amazon.

Dan

> On Mar 19, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Anyone ever find Lubro Moly diesel purge at a FLAPS?  I was sure I had a can 
> or two on the shelf...
> -- 
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> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Thanks for the tutorial.  I've only had iron heads and never pulled one.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curly McLain via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 7:13 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge
> 
> >Really?  I had always heard the exact opposite
> >
> >>  -Original Message-
> >>  From: Curly McLain via Mercedes
> >
> >...  Iron head engines are more prone to cracking than the OM60x
engines...
> 
> Every iron head I have had off has been cracked.  The 616 and 617 are much
> improved over the 621.  Alum or iron, they crack between the valves,
> between a valve and the prechamber (3 places) Easy to see with no aid.
Book
> value is  anything less than 10 mm crack can be reused.
> 
> The alum heads crack less in these places, but the 14 head cracked into
the
> water jacket.  Iron heads will eventually crack into the water jacket too.
> Driving with a combination of Diesel Max's Method and my method will
> reduce incidence of cracks.
> 
> I have had 2 603 heads off.  50/50  first had no cracks, but blown head
gasket
> at the front of #1  could be from excess oil from the turbo seals.  Second
had
> about a half dozen cracks.  None are serious
> enough not to use the head.   There are 18 common crack places on a 6
> cyl.  The worst was my Hawaii OM621 with 18 cracks, with  only 12 normal
> places to crack as it is a 4 zyl.  A tired head will also crack outwards
from the
> valves or prechamber also.  Driving a cold engine like you stole it is the
cause.
> That was someone else who caused the cracks.  The head was in the trunk
> when I bought the car.
> It had cracked to the water jacket, hydrolocked, snapped the timing chain,
> that cause the cam and cam bearings to break.  It was a mess when I bought
> it.  So, Yes, Iron heads crack into the water jacket too.
> 
> in 40 years, I replaced 2 OM 621 heads due to excessive cracks.  The first
was
> not cracked through.  The second was.  I have never replaced a OM603 head,
> with 6 that I have owned.  The cracked OM603 came off a junkyard car last
> weekend.  I'm not afraid to put in on an engine, as the cracks are within
spec.
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Are you getting over your "diesel" purge?

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have never had an iron head crack that I know of.

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On Feb 20, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> Really?  I had always heard the exact opposite
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Curly McLain via Mercedes
>> 
>> ...  Iron head engines are more prone to cracking than the OM60x engines...
> 
> Every iron head I have had off has been cracked.  The 616 and 617 are much 
> improved over the 621.  Alum or iron, they crack between the valves, between 
> a valve and the prechamber (3 places) Easy to see with no aid.  Book value is 
>  anything less than 10 mm crack can be reused.
> 
> The alum heads crack less in these places, but the 14 head cracked into the 
> water jacket.  Iron heads will eventually crack into the water jacket too.  
> Driving with a combination of Diesel Max's Method and my method will reduce 
> incidence of cracks.
> 
> I have had 2 603 heads off.  50/50  first had no cracks, but blown head 
> gasket at the front of #1  could be from excess oil from the turbo seals.  
> Second had about a half dozen cracks.  None are serious enough not to use the 
> head.   There are 18 common crack places on a 6 cyl.  The worst was my Hawaii 
> OM621 with 18 cracks, with  only 12 normal places to crack as it is a 4 zyl.  
> A tired head will also crack outwards from the valves or prechamber also.  
> Driving a cold engine like you stole it is the cause.  That was someone else 
> who caused the cracks.  The head was in the trunk when I bought the car. It 
> had cracked to the water jacket, hydrolocked, snapped the timing chain, that 
> cause the cam and cam bearings to break.  It was a mess when I bought it.  
> So, Yes, Iron heads crack into the water jacket too.
> 
> in 40 years, I replaced 2 OM 621 heads due to excessive cracks.  The first 
> was not cracked through.  The second was.  I have never replaced a OM603 
> head, with 6 that I have owned.  The cracked OM603 came off a junkyard car 
> last weekend.  I'm not afraid to put in on an engine, as the cracks are 
> within spec.
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Really?  I had always heard the exact opposite


 -Original Message-
 From: Curly McLain via Mercedes


...  Iron head engines are more prone to cracking than the OM60x engines...


Every iron head I have had off has been cracked.  The 616 and 617 are 
much improved over the 621.  Alum or iron, they crack between the 
valves, between a valve and the prechamber (3 places) Easy to see 
with no aid.  Book value is  anything less than 10 mm crack can be 
reused.


The alum heads crack less in these places, but the 14 head cracked 
into the water jacket.  Iron heads will eventually crack into the 
water jacket too.  Driving with a combination of Diesel Max's Method 
and my method will reduce incidence of cracks.


I have had 2 603 heads off.  50/50  first had no cracks, but blown 
head gasket at the front of #1  could be from excess oil from the 
turbo seals.  Second had about a half dozen cracks.  None are serious 
enough not to use the head.   There are 18 common crack places on a 6 
cyl.  The worst was my Hawaii OM621 with 18 cracks, with  only 12 
normal places to crack as it is a 4 zyl.  A tired head will also 
crack outwards from the valves or prechamber also.  Driving a cold 
engine like you stole it is the cause.  That was someone else who 
caused the cracks.  The head was in the trunk when I bought the car. 
It had cracked to the water jacket, hydrolocked, snapped the timing 
chain, that cause the cam and cam bearings to break.  It was a mess 
when I bought it.  So, Yes, Iron heads crack into the water jacket 
too.


in 40 years, I replaced 2 OM 621 heads due to excessive cracks.  The 
first was not cracked through.  The second was.  I have never 
replaced a OM603 head, with 6 that I have owned.  The cracked OM603 
came off a junkyard car last weekend.  I'm not afraid to put in on an 
engine, as the cracks are within spec.


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yup, probably will, I'll be in California...
I had the snowmobile out after one storm, went 2.5 miles total. The water holes 
weren't frozen on top but had a coating of ice on the bottom. Stopping in one 
would have meant getting stuck even though they weren't that deep so I ended up 
blasting over the top. The negative consequence of that is getting soaked...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 2:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge
   
Oh that really sucks.  Maybe next week...  We're expecting a likely rain event 
but that may mean snow in NE.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Just about nuthin. We've had maybe a foot of snow total this winter. Today its 
in the 50's. Last week we had torrential rains, just about no snow on the 
ground now.
In your big storm we didn't get one flake...
-Curt

      From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

 Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 2:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

Curt how much snow did you get from the last two storms?  We got 24" and then 
5" (MD-DC beltway)

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

We idle the groomer for about 15 minutes before we take off, that lets the oil 
get pushed around and starts warming up the hydraulic fluid. Its got a hand 
"throttle" for lack of a better term that you can lock at high idle for this 
purpose.
When we're done for the night we idle another 15 minutes to let things cool 
off. Considering the machine runs at right about 100% load all the time this is 
an important step. While we're grooming we've got about 4 cubic yards of snow 
on the move at any given moment. Thats about 50/50 between stuff on the plow 
ahead of us and stuff in the drag behind us.
-Curt

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The caveat to the "drive it like you stole it" mantra is this:  Drive
softly until the oil us up to operating temp. ~15 min.  THEN Drive it
like you stole it.  Then either let it idle 5 min before you shut it
down or drive softly the last 15 min.


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Oh that really sucks.  Maybe next week...  We're expecting a likely rain
event but that may mean snow in NE.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Just about nuthin. We've had maybe a foot of snow total this winter. Today
> its in the 50's. Last week we had torrential rains, just about no snow on
> the ground now.
> In your big storm we didn't get one flake...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 2:20 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge
>
> Curt how much snow did you get from the last two storms?  We got 24" and
> then 5" (MD-DC beltway)
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> We idle the groomer for about 15 minutes before we take off, that lets the
> oil get pushed around and starts warming up the hydraulic fluid. Its got a
> hand "throttle" for lack of a better term that you can lock at high idle
> for this purpose.
> When we're done for the night we idle another 15 minutes to let things
> cool off. Considering the machine runs at right about 100% load all the
> time this is an important step. While we're grooming we've got about 4
> cubic yards of snow on the move at any given moment. Thats about 50/50
> between stuff on the plow ahead of us and stuff in the drag behind us.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
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>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge
>
>
> The caveat to the "drive it like you stole it" mantra is this:  Drive
> softly until the oil us up to operating temp. ~15 min.  THEN Drive it
> like you stole it.  Then either let it idle 5 min before you shut it
> down or drive softly the last 15 min.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Just about nuthin. We've had maybe a foot of snow total this winter. Today its 
in the 50's. Last week we had torrential rains, just about no snow on the 
ground now.
In your big storm we didn't get one flake...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
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 Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 2:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge
   
Curt how much snow did you get from the last two storms?  We got 24" and then 
5" (MD-DC beltway)

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

We idle the groomer for about 15 minutes before we take off, that lets the oil 
get pushed around and starts warming up the hydraulic fluid. Its got a hand 
"throttle" for lack of a better term that you can lock at high idle for this 
purpose.
When we're done for the night we idle another 15 minutes to let things cool 
off. Considering the machine runs at right about 100% load all the time this is 
an important step. While we're grooming we've got about 4 cubic yards of snow 
on the move at any given moment. Thats about 50/50 between stuff on the plow 
ahead of us and stuff in the drag behind us.
-Curt

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge


The caveat to the "drive it like you stole it" mantra is this:  Drive
softly until the oil us up to operating temp. ~15 min.  THEN Drive it
like you stole it.  Then either let it idle 5 min before you shut it
down or drive softly the last 15 min.


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Curt how much snow did you get from the last two storms?  We got 24" and
then 5" (MD-DC beltway)

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> We idle the groomer for about 15 minutes before we take off, that lets the
> oil get pushed around and starts warming up the hydraulic fluid. Its got a
> hand "throttle" for lack of a better term that you can lock at high idle
> for this purpose.
> When we're done for the night we idle another 15 minutes to let things
> cool off. Considering the machine runs at right about 100% load all the
> time this is an important step. While we're grooming we've got about 4
> cubic yards of snow on the move at any given moment. Thats about 50/50
> between stuff on the plow ahead of us and stuff in the drag behind us.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
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> Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 7:31 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge
>
>
> The caveat to the "drive it like you stole it" mantra is this:  Drive
> softly until the oil us up to operating temp. ~15 min.  THEN Drive it
> like you stole it.  Then either let it idle 5 min before you shut it
> down or drive softly the last 15 min.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We idle the groomer for about 15 minutes before we take off, that lets the oil 
get pushed around and starts warming up the hydraulic fluid. Its got a hand 
"throttle" for lack of a better term that you can lock at high idle for this 
purpose.
When we're done for the night we idle another 15 minutes to let things cool 
off. Considering the machine runs at right about 100% load all the time this is 
an important step. While we're grooming we've got about 4 cubic yards of snow 
on the move at any given moment. Thats about 50/50 between stuff on the plow 
ahead of us and stuff in the drag behind us.
-Curt

  From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
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Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 7:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge
   

The caveat to the "drive it like you stole it" mantra is this:  Drive 
softly until the oil us up to operating temp. ~15 min.  THEN Drive it 
like you stole it.  Then either let it idle 5 min before you shut it 
down or drive softly the last 15 min.


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

"Drive it like you're angry"
Our '05 Golf is responding well to that treatment, the turbo has variable vanes 
that I think were carboned up. As I've been driving the stink out of it the 
point at which the turbo spins up is getting earlier, fuel economy is rising 
and it feels a lot zippier.
-Curt

  From: Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
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Cc: Dwight Giles 
 Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 7:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge
   
As in an eyetalian tune up.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Feb 20, 2016 12:07 AM, "Bob Rentfro via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Some of the things Herr Doktor Booth would tell us:
> DRIVE them like you STOLE them
>
> KEEP your foot IN it.
>
> Bob R
> On Feb 19, 2016 5:53 PM, "Curly McLain via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I have a few cans left over.  Waiting for a new diesel to join the band.
> >>
> >> For my money, I like to run all manner of fresh fluids and cleaning on
> >> new hires.  That way I know just where I stand with the car.  Purge
> would
> >> have been pretty good prior to the road trip, but maybe better when you
> >> have Martha'd it and have a clean block.  Valve cleaner and injectors
> >> spiffed up will be good so your can really blow snot out with an Italian
> >> Tune Up
> >>
> >> clay
> >>
> > -
> > He just did a 1000 mile 80 MPH/3000RPM (for 13 hrs) iron butt®  official
> > Eye-tal-yeen tuneup!
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Oh, yeah.  That’s one I learned in tech school over 30 years ago….

I have the nice Hazet diff and transmission wrench, too.  One of the best 
special tools I’ve ever owned.

Dan


> On Feb 20, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan,  I'm sure you know this, but ...  Always make sure you can remove the 
> differential fill plug before removing the drain plug.  In one case, I had to 
> use a big breaker bar and leg muscles to break the fill plug free.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Really?  I had always heard the exact opposite

> -Original Message-
> From: Curly McLain via Mercedes

...  Iron head engines are more prone to cracking than the OM60x engines...


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Dan,  I'm sure you know this, but ...  Always make sure you can remove the 
differential fill plug before removing the drain plug.  In one case, I had to 
use a big breaker bar and leg muscles to break the fill plug free.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 7:09 AM
> To: Mercedes List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge
> 
> Clay - it’s getting all new filters and fluids, something I do whenever I get 
> a
> car that’s new to me.  That way I’ve got a point of reference for everything.
> I’ll do the differential this weekend and probably the transmission next
> weekend.
> 
> Bob - it’s weird - I have been driving this car with my diesel technique - 
> foot
> to the floor, get it up to speed and let off to maintain.  It gets to speed so
> quickly I’ve found my self consistently going well above the speed limit and
> not realizing it.  I can only think that I’ve been channeling my old 1979 
> 300TD,
> which you had to drive like this if you wanted to get anywhere.
> 
> Thanks to everyone for the help and suggestions, especially you diesel folks.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > On Feb 20, 2016, at 12:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > Some of the things Herr Doktor Booth would tell us:
> > DRIVE them like you STOLE them
> >
> > KEEP your foot IN it.
> >
> > Bob R
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Bob,

Plug in the block heater for at least thirty minutes prior to attempting to 
start.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 20, 2016 8:52:11 AM EST, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Wonderful guidance.  This e300 is the first turbo diesel Mercedes car
>I've
>owned. All the others, being NA, I always had my foot in them (after
>reaching temperature of course) in order to get anywhere.
>I hope to get it running today. The last two fuel lines showed up the
>dealer yesterday. Everything fuel related with regards to all rings and
>hoses I've been replaced. Battery fully charged, have the charger on
>the
>Ready, going to lightly pressurized fuel tank with compressed air and
>crank
>on that pig until it's primed and running.I'll them make sure
>everything works then get it back up on the ramps and do all the fluids
>and
>filters since it sat for so long.
>
>Bob R


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good luck, Bob!  Hope it goes well.

Excellent guidance, Max.  I’ll keep this in mind as I begin to get accustomed 
to driving an oil burner again.

Dan


> On Feb 20, 2016, at 8:52 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Wonderful guidance.  This e300 is the first turbo diesel Mercedes car I've
> owned. All the others, being NA, I always had my foot in them (after
> reaching temperature of course) in order to get anywhere.
> I hope to get it running today. The last two fuel lines showed up the
> dealer yesterday. Everything fuel related with regards to all rings and
> hoses I've been replaced. Battery fully charged, have the charger on the
> Ready, going to lightly pressurized fuel tank with compressed air and crank
> on that pig until it's primed and running.I'll them make sure
> everything works then get it back up on the ramps and do all the fluids and
> filters since it sat for so long.
> 
> Bob R


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Wonderful guidance.  This e300 is the first turbo diesel Mercedes car I've
owned. All the others, being NA, I always had my foot in them (after
reaching temperature of course) in order to get anywhere.
I hope to get it running today. The last two fuel lines showed up the
dealer yesterday. Everything fuel related with regards to all rings and
hoses I've been replaced. Battery fully charged, have the charger on the
Ready, going to lightly pressurized fuel tank with compressed air and crank
on that pig until it's primed and running.I'll them make sure
everything works then get it back up on the ramps and do all the fluids and
filters since it sat for so long.

Bob R
On Feb 20, 2016 6:12 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Max's Method for Diesel Driving:
>
> Following a cold engine start, once the idle is smooth and full oil
> pressure achieved, drive off gently.  I'm sure that all or most of us here
> remember Marshall's admonition that allowing a MB diesel engine to sit and
> idle to warm it up was a _BAD THING_.
>
> Keep engine RPM below 2k as long as possible. Accelerate slowly until
> engine oil is at full temp.
>
> How does one know when engine oil is at full temp? Watch the oil pressure
> gauge at idle. Normally, full oil temp is achieved with fifteen minutes of
> driving after full coolant temperature has been reached.  Note the "hot"
> idle oil pressure after those fifteen minutes of driving, and that pressure
> corresponds to full oil temperature.
>
> When you know your engine and the hot idle oil pressure, you can simply
> watch that oil pressure gauge and have confidence that you can start
> "driving like you stole it" after achieving hot idle oil pressure.
>
> On February 20, 2016 7:31:23 AM EST, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The caveat to the "drive it like you stole it" mantra is this:  Drive
> > softly until the oil us up to operating temp. ~15 min.  THEN Drive it
> > like you stole it.  Then either let it idle 5 min before you shut it
> > down or drive softly the last 15 min.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Max's Method for Diesel Driving:

Following a cold engine start, once the idle is smooth and full oil
pressure achieved, drive off gently.  I'm sure that all or most of us here
remember Marshall's admonition that allowing a MB diesel engine to sit and
idle to warm it up was a _BAD THING_.

Keep engine RPM below 2k as long as possible. Accelerate slowly until
engine oil is at full temp.

How does one know when engine oil is at full temp? Watch the oil pressure
gauge at idle. Normally, full oil temp is achieved with fifteen minutes of
driving after full coolant temperature has been reached.  Note the "hot"
idle oil pressure after those fifteen minutes of driving, and that pressure
corresponds to full oil temperature.

When you know your engine and the hot idle oil pressure, you can simply
watch that oil pressure gauge and have confidence that you can start
"driving like you stole it" after achieving hot idle oil pressure.

On February 20, 2016 7:31:23 AM EST, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> The caveat to the "drive it like you stole it" mantra is this:  Drive
> softly until the oil us up to operating temp. ~15 min.  THEN Drive it
> like you stole it.  Then either let it idle 5 min before you shut it
> down or drive softly the last 15 min.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

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Good points, Curly.  I had forgotten about the cool down thing - I’ll have to 
get into the habit of doing that.  It’s been a good 15 years since I’ve driven 
a diesel, so a lot of those habits have been forgotten.  The last 5-6 miles of 
my drive is 35 mph or slower, so I get a bit of a cool down out of that.

I didn’t bother doing the Italian tuneup with this car since I found that 
putting my foot into it yields little visible smoke.  I don’t think it really 
needed one.  Of course, the prolonged 13 hour drive at 80 MPH didn’t  hurt it, 
either.

Dan

> On Feb 20, 2016, at 7:31 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I first drove a turbodiesel, the fastest Diesel I had driven was the 
> escort, roughly similar to a 240D 4 speed.  Before I knew it, the turbodiesel 
> was up to 90 indicated.  That was a vw.  I was impressed.
> 
> The caveat to the "drive it like you stole it" mantra is this:  Drive softly 
> until the oil us up to operating temp. ~15 min.  THEN Drive it like you stole 
> it.  Then either let it idle 5 min before you shut it down or drive softly 
> the last 15 min.
> 
> Head cracks are caused mostly by driving it like you stole it with a cold 
> engine.  Oil temp gauges and Exhaust Gas Temp gauges (EGT Pyrometer) are good 
> to have.  Turbos are ruined (cooked) and head cracks are formed by drive it 
> like you stole it, then shutting off the engine with high EGT.  This 
> operating strategy is good for both turbo and non-turbo diesel engines.  The 
> EGT gets higher in turbo engines.  Higher boost =higher EGT.
> 
> Iron head engines are more prone to cracking than the OM60x engines, but i 
> suspect the water jacket cracks common to the OM603 are caused by hard 
> driving a cold engine.  there can easily be 50% higher EGT when driving hard 
> than driving soft.  Having the engine up to operating temp before the 
> eyetalyeen tuneup lessens the pressure differential.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Welcome back to the diesel world Dan. Nice  machine.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Feb 20, 2016 7:43 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I was thinking the same thing.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 2016, at 7:26 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dan, like others said you don't need the DP after that drive.  (I don't
> use
> > the stuff at all anymore.  If the injectors are bad enough I just rebuild
> > them!) But since you need to change the filters, use it to fill the spin
> on
> > before you install it.  It'll save you a bunch of cranking or the mess of
> > filling it with diesel.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
> > On Friday, February 19, 2016, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> So I have a bottle of the stuff, but I’m wondering if there is anything
> to
> >> be gained by using it right now.  The engine runs great, makes no noise
> and
> >> doesn’t idle rough.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I was thinking the same thing.

Thanks!

Dan


> On Feb 20, 2016, at 7:26 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
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> Dan, like others said you don't need the DP after that drive.  (I don't use
> the stuff at all anymore.  If the injectors are bad enough I just rebuild
> them!) But since you need to change the filters, use it to fill the spin on
> before you install it.  It'll save you a bunch of cranking or the mess of
> filling it with diesel.
> 
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> 
> 
> On Friday, February 19, 2016, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> So I have a bottle of the stuff, but I’m wondering if there is anything to
>> be gained by using it right now.  The engine runs great, makes no noise and
>> doesn’t idle rough.
>> 
>> For that matter, do people still use the stuff?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Clay - it's getting all new filters and fluids, something I do 
whenever I get a car that's new to me.  That way I've got a point of 
reference for everything.  I'll do the differential this weekend and 
probably the transmission next weekend.


Bob - it's weird - I have been driving this car with my diesel 
technique - foot to the floor, get it up to speed and let off to 
maintain.  It gets to speed so quickly I've found my self 
consistently going well above the speed limit and not realizing it. 
I can only think that I've been channeling my old 1979 300TD, which 
you had to drive like this if you wanted to get anywhere.


Thanks to everyone for the help and suggestions, especially you diesel folks.

Dan


When I first drove a turbodiesel, the fastest Diesel I had driven was 
the escort, roughly similar to a 240D 4 speed.  Before I knew it, the 
turbodiesel was up to 90 indicated.  That was a vw.  I was impressed.


The caveat to the "drive it like you stole it" mantra is this:  Drive 
softly until the oil us up to operating temp. ~15 min.  THEN Drive it 
like you stole it.  Then either let it idle 5 min before you shut it 
down or drive softly the last 15 min.


Head cracks are caused mostly by driving it like you stole it with a 
cold engine.  Oil temp gauges and Exhaust Gas Temp gauges (EGT 
Pyrometer) are good to have.  Turbos are ruined (cooked) and head 
cracks are formed by drive it like you stole it, then shutting off 
the engine with high EGT.  This operating strategy is good for both 
turbo and non-turbo diesel engines.  The EGT gets higher in turbo 
engines.  Higher boost =higher EGT.


Iron head engines are more prone to cracking than the OM60x engines, 
but i suspect the water jacket cracks common to the OM603 are caused 
by hard driving a cold engine.  there can easily be 50% higher EGT 
when driving hard than driving soft.  Having the engine up to 
operating temp before the eyetalyeen tuneup lessens the pressure 
differential.



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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Dan, like others said you don't need the DP after that drive.  (I don't use
the stuff at all anymore.  If the injectors are bad enough I just rebuild
them!) But since you need to change the filters, use it to fill the spin on
before you install it.  It'll save you a bunch of cranking or the mess of
filling it with diesel.

Jaime


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> So I have a bottle of the stuff, but I’m wondering if there is anything to
> be gained by using it right now.  The engine runs great, makes no noise and
> doesn’t idle rough.
>
> For that matter, do people still use the stuff?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Clay - it’s getting all new filters and fluids, something I do whenever I get a 
car that’s new to me.  That way I’ve got a point of reference for everything.  
I’ll do the differential this weekend and probably the transmission next 
weekend.

Bob - it’s weird - I have been driving this car with my diesel technique - foot 
to the floor, get it up to speed and let off to maintain.  It gets to speed so 
quickly I’ve found my self consistently going well above the speed limit and 
not realizing it.  I can only think that I’ve been channeling my old 1979 
300TD, which you had to drive like this if you wanted to get anywhere.

Thanks to everyone for the help and suggestions, especially you diesel folks.

Dan

 
> On Feb 20, 2016, at 12:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Some of the things Herr Doktor Booth would tell us:
> DRIVE them like you STOLE them
> 
> KEEP your foot IN it.
> 
> Bob R


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

As in an eyetalian tune up.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
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On Feb 20, 2016 12:07 AM, "Bob Rentfro via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Some of the things Herr Doktor Booth would tell us:
> DRIVE them like you STOLE them
>
> KEEP your foot IN it.
>
> Bob R
> On Feb 19, 2016 5:53 PM, "Curly McLain via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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>
> > I have a few cans left over.  Waiting for a new diesel to join the band.
> >>
> >> For my money, I like to run all manner of fresh fluids and cleaning on
> >> new hires.  That way I know just where I stand with the car.  Purge
> would
> >> have been pretty good prior to the road trip, but maybe better when you
> >> have Martha'd it and have a clean block.  Valve cleaner and injectors
> >> spiffed up will be good so your can really blow snot out with an Italian
> >> Tune Up
> >>
> >> clay
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Some of the things Herr Doktor Booth would tell us:
DRIVE them like you STOLE them

KEEP your foot IN it.

Bob R
On Feb 19, 2016 5:53 PM, "Curly McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I have a few cans left over.  Waiting for a new diesel to join the band.
>>
>> For my money, I like to run all manner of fresh fluids and cleaning on
>> new hires.  That way I know just where I stand with the car.  Purge would
>> have been pretty good prior to the road trip, but maybe better when you
>> have Martha'd it and have a clean block.  Valve cleaner and injectors
>> spiffed up will be good so your can really blow snot out with an Italian
>> Tune Up
>>
>> clay
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I have a few cans left over.  Waiting for a new diesel to join the band.

For my money, I like to run all manner of fresh 
fluids and cleaning on new hires.  That way I 
know just where I stand with the car.  Purge 
would have been pretty good prior to the road 
trip, but maybe better when you have Martha'd it 
and have a clean block.  Valve cleaner and 
injectors spiffed up will be good so your can 
really blow snot out with an Italian Tune Up


clay

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

So I have a bottle of the stuff, but I'm wondering if there is 
anything to be gained by using it right now.  The engine runs great, 
makes no noise and doesn't idle rough.


For that matter, do people still use the stuff?

Dan


I've never used any in 40+ years of MB (and other) Diesel driving

As long as the car is not running raggedy, keep it in the can.

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[clay via Mercedes]

I have a few cans left over.  Waiting for a new diesel to join the band.

For my money, I like to run all manner of fresh fluids and cleaning on new 
hires.  That way I know just where I stand with the car.  Purge would have been 
pretty good prior to the road trip, but maybe better when you have Martha'd it 
and have a clean block.  Valve cleaner and injectors spiffed up will be good so 
your can really blow snot out with an Italian Tune Up

clay


On Feb 19, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> So I have a bottle of the stuff, but I’m wondering if there is anything to be 
> gained by using it right now.  The engine runs great, makes no noise and 
> doesn’t idle rough.
> 
> For that matter, do people still use the stuff?
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, that’s sort of what I was thinking….

Thanks!

Dan


> On Feb 19, 2016, at 7:00 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You just drove it overnight for 1000miles, I presume the engine got a good 
> autobahn kind of workout, so probably no pressing need.
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

You just drove it overnight for 1000miles, I presume the engine got a 
good autobahn kind of workout, so probably no pressing need.


--R

On 2/19/16 6:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

So I have a bottle of the stuff, but I’m wondering if there is anything to be 
gained by using it right now.  The engine runs great, makes no noise and 
doesn’t idle rough.

For that matter, do people still use the stuff?

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

[clay]

Good stuff.  Used in both diesels for years, until I sold them.  I still have 
some.  For the day I get another diesel benz

clay

On May 18, 2014, at 6:25 AM, Russ Williams wrote:

> This is what he uses.
> http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/power-system-diesel-fuel-supplement-plus-cetane-boost-80-oz.-1080/7080778-P?navigationPath=L1*14924|L2*15037
> On 5/18/2014 08:03, Dwight Giles wrote:
>> What is APS?
>> On May 18, 2014 8:47 AM,  wrote:
>> 
>>> Kaleb,
>>> If you run APS in your fuel 2-3 times a year, it will keep your system
>>> clean. I've used it for around 15 years now on my two old 617s and I never
>>> have any problems with fuel or the fuel system. It removes water, keeps
>>> tank clean of algae, cleans injectors and pump, and provides lubrication. I
>>> also never have to do "Italian tuneups" and put undue strain on my drive
>>> train just to witness some black smoke. It's available at any mcparts store
>>> and is not expensive. My Indie has never needed to perform a "diesel purge"
>>> on either vehicle (one has over 360,000 miles and the other over 425,000
>>> miles, both still running fine). Just a suggestion.
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> Roger
>>> Roger Hale
>>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>>> Monroe, Ga.
>>> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

[clay]

Eckler sells the stuff.  Goes out UPS ground

clay

On May 18, 2014, at 3:55 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

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> 
> I don't remember how much
> 
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> On Saturday, May 17, 2014, Gary Hurst  wrote:
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>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
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>>> I don't want it I have other people looking for it. I will see what else
>> I
>>> can  find then.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 17, 2014, at 8:44 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
 
 more than you'd want to pay
 
 
 On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin >>> wrote:
 
> How much?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> i'd get it from me.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

[Greg Fiorentino]

Free if you have Prime.  If not you could order 2 and have it shipped free
(but not 2nd. day).  I ordered 2 so I could give one to my son with the
240D.  These are the 80 oz. bottles.

That seems like a pretty good deal.

Greg

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How much is the freight?  I ordered a $19 item from Amazon and the freight
was $27.

Ebay has 32 oz for $19 including freight.

http://cart.payments.ebay.com/sc/add?ssPageName=CART:ATC&item=iid:3808137348
89,qty:1

Gerry
..
On 5/18/2014 3:21 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:
> You can get this stuff (white bottle) from Amazon for less than $14 
> delivered with Prime.
>
> Greg
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> This is what he uses.
> http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/power-system-diesel-fuel-supplement
> -plus-
> cetane-boost-80-oz.-1080/7080778-P?navigationPath=L1*14924|L2*15037
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>> What is APS?
>> On May 18, 2014 8:47 AM,  wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

[rogerhga]

Yes, sorry guys. I keep wanting to put an "A" in front of the "PS". Anyway, I 
just grab some at one of my local mcparts stores, they all charge about the 
same. Every few months, I'll dump a few ounces in the tank and everything is 
ok. I've seen other products that might work better for gelling, but here in 
Atlanta, it rarely if ever gets cold enough for the fuel to gel. Anyway, I 
think and my Indie agrees that Diesel Purge is probably good for a neglected 
engine or one that has sat for an extended period, but otherwise isn't normally 
necessary. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
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Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

[Gary Hurst]

and you can get it from me for half that delivered in the same time.  it's
remarkable how you guys don't buy from me

expect for kleb.  it is $21 for him and delivery in 6 to 8 weeks


On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

> You can get this stuff (white bottle) from Amazon for less than $14
> delivered with Prime.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 6:26 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge
>
> This is what he uses.
>
> http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/power-system-diesel-fuel-supplement-plus-
> cetane-boost-80-oz.-1080/7080778-P?navigationPath=L1*14924|L2*15037
> On 5/18/2014 08:03, Dwight Giles wrote:
> > What is APS?
> > On May 18, 2014 8:47 AM,  wrote:
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

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How much is the freight?  I ordered a $19 item from Amazon and the 
freight was $27.


Ebay has 32 oz for $19 including freight.

http://cart.payments.ebay.com/sc/add?ssPageName=CART:ATC&item=iid:380813734889,qty:1

Gerry
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On 5/18/2014 3:21 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

You can get this stuff (white bottle) from Amazon for less than $14
delivered with Prime.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

This is what he uses.
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/power-system-diesel-fuel-supplement-plus-
cetane-boost-80-oz.-1080/7080778-P?navigationPath=L1*14924|L2*15037
On 5/18/2014 08:03, Dwight Giles wrote:

What is APS?
On May 18, 2014 8:47 AM,  wrote:



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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

The guy that was looking for it says he found it at Atwoods locally 

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> On May 18, 2014, at 2:05 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> 
> A bit less than Rusty charged, but that was years ago - I still have a can,
> so don't know what the price is now.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>> 
>> for how much?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

[Greg Fiorentino]

You can get this stuff (white bottle) from Amazon for less than $14
delivered with Prime.

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

This is what he uses.
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/power-system-diesel-fuel-supplement-plus-
cetane-boost-80-oz.-1080/7080778-P?navigationPath=L1*14924|L2*15037
On 5/18/2014 08:03, Dwight Giles wrote:
> What is APS?
> On May 18, 2014 8:47 AM,  wrote:
>


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

[OK Don]

A bit less than Rusty charged, but that was years ago - I still have a can,
so don't know what the price is now.


On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> for how much?
>

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

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They sell it in the farm stores here but I have never used it 

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> On May 18, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> I have used diesel treat for years. It might be a new England thing but
> there is  map on link jon sent.  I get it at NAPA or local fuel station.
>> On May 18, 2014 11:25 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
>> 
>> Never heard of it, where do you get it?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2014, at 7:47 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kaleb,
>>> If you run APS in your fuel 2-3 times a year, it will keep your system
>> clean. I've used it for around 15 years now on my two old 617s and I never
>> have any problems with fuel or the fuel system. It removes water, keeps
>> tank clean of algae, cleans injectors and pump, and provides lubrication. I
>> also never have to do "Italian tuneups" and put undue strain on my drive
>> train just to witness some black smoke. It's available at any mcparts store
>> and is not expensive. My Indie has never needed to perform a "diesel purge"
>> on either vehicle (one has over 360,000 miles and the other over 425,000
>> miles, both still running fine). Just a suggestion.
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> Roger
>>> Roger Hale
>>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>>> Monroe, Ga.
>>> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

[Dwight Giles]

I have used diesel treat for years. It might be a new England thing but
there is  map on link jon sent.  I get it at NAPA or local fuel station.
On May 18, 2014 11:25 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

> Never heard of it, where do you get it?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 18, 2014, at 7:47 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > Kaleb,
> > If you run APS in your fuel 2-3 times a year, it will keep your system
> clean. I've used it for around 15 years now on my two old 617s and I never
> have any problems with fuel or the fuel system. It removes water, keeps
> tank clean of algae, cleans injectors and pump, and provides lubrication. I
> also never have to do "Italian tuneups" and put undue strain on my drive
> train just to witness some black smoke. It's available at any mcparts store
> and is not expensive. My Indie has never needed to perform a "diesel purge"
> on either vehicle (one has over 360,000 miles and the other over 425,000
> miles, both still running fine). Just a suggestion.
> > Best Wishes,
> > Roger
> > Roger Hale
> > Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> > Monroe, Ga.
> > 770-267-0850
> > www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new)
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Never heard of it, where do you get it?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2014, at 7:47 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> Kaleb, 
> If you run APS in your fuel 2-3 times a year, it will keep your system clean. 
> I've used it for around 15 years now on my two old 617s and I never have any 
> problems with fuel or the fuel system. It removes water, keeps tank clean of 
> algae, cleans injectors and pump, and provides lubrication. I also never have 
> to do "Italian tuneups" and put undue strain on my drive train just to 
> witness some black smoke. It's available at any mcparts store and is not 
> expensive. My Indie has never needed to perform a "diesel purge" on either 
> vehicle (one has over 360,000 miles and the other over 425,000 miles, both 
> still running fine). Just a suggestion. 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

[Russ Williams]

This is what he uses.
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/power-system-diesel-fuel-supplement-plus-cetane-boost-80-oz.-1080/7080778-P?navigationPath=L1*14924|L2*15037
On 5/18/2014 08:03, Dwight Giles wrote:

What is APS?
On May 18, 2014 8:47 AM,  wrote:


Kaleb,
If you run APS in your fuel 2-3 times a year, it will keep your system
clean. I've used it for around 15 years now on my two old 617s and I never
have any problems with fuel or the fuel system. It removes water, keeps
tank clean of algae, cleans injectors and pump, and provides lubrication. I
also never have to do "Italian tuneups" and put undue strain on my drive
train just to witness some black smoke. It's available at any mcparts store
and is not expensive. My Indie has never needed to perform a "diesel purge"
on either vehicle (one has over 360,000 miles and the other over 425,000
miles, both still running fine). Just a suggestion.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new)
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique)

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

[Dwight Giles]

What is APS?
On May 18, 2014 8:47 AM,  wrote:

> Kaleb,
> If you run APS in your fuel 2-3 times a year, it will keep your system
> clean. I've used it for around 15 years now on my two old 617s and I never
> have any problems with fuel or the fuel system. It removes water, keeps
> tank clean of algae, cleans injectors and pump, and provides lubrication. I
> also never have to do "Italian tuneups" and put undue strain on my drive
> train just to witness some black smoke. It's available at any mcparts store
> and is not expensive. My Indie has never needed to perform a "diesel purge"
> on either vehicle (one has over 360,000 miles and the other over 425,000
> miles, both still running fine). Just a suggestion.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

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Kaleb, 
If you run APS in your fuel 2-3 times a year, it will keep your system clean. 
I've used it for around 15 years now on my two old 617s and I never have any 
problems with fuel or the fuel system. It removes water, keeps tank clean of 
algae, cleans injectors and pump, and provides lubrication. I also never have 
to do "Italian tuneups" and put undue strain on my drive train just to witness 
some black smoke. It's available at any mcparts store and is not expensive. My 
Indie has never needed to perform a "diesel purge" on either vehicle (one has 
over 360,000 miles and the other over 425,000 miles, both still running fine). 
Just a suggestion. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

[Jaime Kopchinski]

There's a chain of auto parts stores around here that carry it now, they're
a napa affiliate I think.

I don't remember how much

Jaime


On Saturday, May 17, 2014, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> you should send them to me.  i'll give them a much cheaper price than i'd
> give you
>
>
> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
> 
> >wrote:
>
> > I don't want it I have other people looking for it. I will see what else
> I
> > can  find then.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On May 17, 2014, at 8:44 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> > >
> > > more than you'd want to pay
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> How much?
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On May 17, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> i'd get it from me.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <
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> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

[Gary Hurst]

you should send them to me.  i'll give them a much cheaper price than i'd
give you


On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> I don't want it I have other people looking for it. I will see what else I
> can  find then.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 17, 2014, at 8:44 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >
> > more than you'd want to pay
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  >wrote:
> >
> >> How much?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On May 17, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> i'd get it from me.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Where do you get it these day?
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

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I don't want it I have other people looking for it. I will see what else I can  
find then.

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

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more than you'd want to pay


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

[Gary Hurst]

for how much?


On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:50 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> The OKC Bosch parts place carries it.
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

[OK Don]

The OKC Bosch parts place carries it.


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

How much?

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge

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i'd get it from me.


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Jaime Kopchinski]

The write up is interesting, but I don't think his method of replacement is
very good.  Not pop testing to check the opening pressure is a real
shortcut.  He also shows leaking injectors because he didn't adequately
clean the mating surfaces.  I use a piece of glass and fine sandpaper to
make sure all surfaces are clean and shiny.  Never had a leak.

Given his poor procedure for replacement, I'm a bit reluctant to trust his
opinion on nozzle quality.  But I think its worth more research.

Jaime


On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

>
>
> Has anyone tried the Bosio nozzles that are mentioned on the dieselgiant
> site?
>
> http://dieselgiant.com/mercedesinjectornozzlereplace.htm
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Randy Bennell]

On 12/07/2012 5:37 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

You need to bolt the pop tester to your bench or a big piece of wood (like a
2x12) to hold it.So you also end up with a diesel-stained piece of wood to
store.



You say that like it is a bad thing.

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Allan Streib]

Jaime Kopchinski  writes:

> Last set I did was for my Uncle's '84 300TD... That was about two years
> ago.  I heard the engine run recently and couldn't believe how smooth and
> quiet it was.  I like those nozzles Mercedes sources sells.  I think
> they're Monarch?

Has anyone tried the Bosio nozzles that are mentioned on the dieselgiant
site?

http://dieselgiant.com/mercedesinjectornozzlereplace.htm

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Dan Penoff]

My local Bosch injection shop used to test and calibrate injectors to +/- 2.0 
bar for around $25 each.  Not sure if that price is still valid, but for the 
amount I didn't think it was bad.  And yes, getting them that close together in 
opening pressures made for a very smooth idle and ramp-up as load increased on 
the engine.

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On Jul 12, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> I agree... over the years I've had several bad experiences with Bosch
> rebuilds.  I recall putting a set in a euro 300D: a bad miss on one
> cylinder... the injector was way out.  After that experience, I would bring
> the rebuilt Bosch units to my local diesel shop to be tested and matched
> before I installed them.
> 
> After going that far, I realized I'd be able to ensure my own quality
> control by doing it myself.  I have always replaced the nozzles when I
> rebuilt them.  Its time consuming enough that I don't want to have to do it
> twice.
> 
> Last set I did was for my Uncle's '84 300TD... That was about two years
> ago.  I heard the engine run recently and couldn't believe how smooth and
> quiet it was.  I like those nozzles Mercedes sources sells.  I think
> they're Monarch?
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Alex Chamberlain
> wrote:
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2012 10:23 AM, "Scott Ritchey"  wrote:
>> 
>>> consider that you can get a whole
>>> set of new Bosch injectors from Rusty for
>>> about the same price.
>>> 
>> 
>> Not sure whether it is true, but conventional wisdom on the NectarineBits
>> forums has it that new Bosch injectors are made in India, and not as good
>> as old ones (i.e., if you can take the latter to a Bosch shop and have them
>> properly rebuilt and balanced, you will get much better results).
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Jaime Kopchinski]

I agree... over the years I've had several bad experiences with Bosch
rebuilds.  I recall putting a set in a euro 300D: a bad miss on one
cylinder... the injector was way out.  After that experience, I would bring
the rebuilt Bosch units to my local diesel shop to be tested and matched
before I installed them.

After going that far, I realized I'd be able to ensure my own quality
control by doing it myself.  I have always replaced the nozzles when I
rebuilt them.  Its time consuming enough that I don't want to have to do it
twice.

Last set I did was for my Uncle's '84 300TD... That was about two years
ago.  I heard the engine run recently and couldn't believe how smooth and
quiet it was.  I like those nozzles Mercedes sources sells.  I think
they're Monarch?

Jaime


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wrote:

> On Jul 12, 2012 10:23 AM, "Scott Ritchey"  wrote:
>
> > consider that you can get a whole
> > set of new Bosch injectors from Rusty for
> > about the same price.
> >
>
> Not sure whether it is true, but conventional wisdom on the NectarineBits
> forums has it that new Bosch injectors are made in India, and not as good
> as old ones (i.e., if you can take the latter to a Bosch shop and have them
> properly rebuilt and balanced, you will get much better results).
>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Jaime Kopchinski]

I just bought the kit from Mercedes Source... it worked well out of the
box.  They also sell an assortment of shims in a kit.  Since I knew I'd be
doing multiple cars it was worthwhile.

Jaime

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Jaime,
>
> What do you use for a pop tester? Also, did you get an assortment of shims
> or do you just buy them as needed?
>
> Dan
>
> On Jul 11, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
>
> > I've done a few sets now... I soak the parts in the
> > paint-bucket-carb-cleaner you can buy at parts store.  It does a great
> job.
> >
> > I've had great results with my rebuilds... very happy with the stuff from
> > Mercedes source to make jobs like this possible for the average DIY guy.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Randy Bennell 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone tried it themselves with the setup offered by Mercedesource?
> >>
> >> Converted hydraulic jack and a case of various shims?
> >>
> >> If one did, what would the best means of cleaning them be?
> >> Ultrasonic setup of some sort?
> >> Or just soak in purge etc?
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/07/2012 8:04 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Curt Raymond" 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'd probably go ahead and have the injectors redone (cleaned and
>  adjusted). Call around there must be somewhere in the metropolis that
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Scott Ritchey]

You need to bolt the pop tester to your bench or a big piece of wood (like a
2x12) to hold it.  So you also end up with a diesel-stained piece of wood to
store.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

If I had the space to store it, fine, but unfortunately, I don't.

Dan who went from 4000 SF to 2400 SF and is still feeling the pain


On Jul 12, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> But the whole idea is to collect another tool even if you only ever use it
the once.
> 
> Randy who has a lot of tools that have not even been used the one time
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Curt Raymond]

As I remember it the spec is pretty far apart, something like 5 bar. I remember 
Marshall saying if you could get closer, like 2 or 3 bar that the car would run 
better but that closer than that wasn't probably worth the effort it would take.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:23:35 -0400
From: "Scott Ritchey" 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover
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I bought a Chinese knock off of a pop tester, maybe 10-15 years ago.  Looks
like the one in the MBZ book and cost about $200 back then.  My injectors
were all within the pop pressure spec so I didn't have to mess with shims.
But I did use an injector cleaning kit to ream out the tiny passages in the
nozzle; this kit is a bunch of tiny wires in assorted sizes and a handle to
hold them as you clean the various nozzle passages.  Or you can just replace
the nozzle assembly but reman injectors from Rusty cost about the same as
new nozzles (or did back in the day).

I see Kent Bergsma sells a kit just for this purpose
(https://mercedessource.com/node/6016) which is probably a good deal but
consider that you can get a whole set of new Bosch injectors from Rusty for
about the same price.


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Dan Penoff]

If I had the space to store it, fine, but unfortunately, I don't.

Dan who went from 4000 SF to 2400 SF and is still feeling the pain


On Jul 12, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> But the whole idea is to collect another tool even if you only ever use it 
> the once.
> 
> Randy who has a lot of tools that have not even been used the one time
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Randy Bennell]

On 12/07/2012 1:27 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Yeah, that's my position as far as investing in something like a pop tester. I 
would consider what my local Bosch injection house charges to clean and adjust 
and compare it to both the expense and the amount of my time it would take.

I don't work cheap, so unless I could score a pop tester for a real bargain it 
would probably be better to just pay someone to do it for me.

Dan




But the whole idea is to collect another tool even if you only ever use 
it the once.


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Dan Penoff]

Yeah, that's my position as far as investing in something like a pop tester. I 
would consider what my local Bosch injection house charges to clean and adjust 
and compare it to both the expense and the amount of my time it would take.

I don't work cheap, so unless I could score a pop tester for a real bargain it 
would probably be better to just pay someone to do it for me.

Dan 

On Jul 12, 2012, at 1:23 PM, "Scott Ritchey"  wrote:

> I bought a Chinese knock off of a pop tester, maybe 10-15 years ago.  Looks
> like the one in the MBZ book and cost about $200 back then.  My injectors
> were all within the pop pressure spec so I didn't have to mess with shims.
> But I did use an injector cleaning kit to ream out the tiny passages in the
> nozzle; this kit is a bunch of tiny wires in assorted sizes and a handle to
> hold them as you clean the various nozzle passages.  Or you can just replace
> the nozzle assembly but reman injectors from Rusty cost about the same as
> new nozzles (or did back in the day).
> 
> I see Kent Bergsma sells a kit just for this purpose
> (https://mercedessource.com/node/6016) which is probably a good deal but
> consider that you can get a whole set of new Bosch injectors from Rusty for
> about the same price.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Dan Penoff
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:23 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover
> 
> Jaime,
> 
> What do you use for a pop tester? Also, did you get an assortment of shims
> or do you just buy them as needed?
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Jul 11, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
> 
>> I've done a few sets now... I soak the parts in the
>> paint-bucket-carb-cleaner you can buy at parts store.  It does a great
> job.
>> 
>> I've had great results with my rebuilds... very happy with the stuff from
>> Mercedes source to make jobs like this possible for the average DIY guy.
>> 
>> Jaime
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Randy Bennell 
> wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone tried it themselves with the setup offered by Mercedesource?
>>> 
>>> Converted hydraulic jack and a case of various shims?
>>> 
>>> If one did, what would the best means of cleaning them be?
>>> Ultrasonic setup of some sort?
>>> Or just soak in purge etc?
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/07/2012 8:04 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Curt Raymond" 
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'd probably go ahead and have the injectors redone (cleaned and
>>>>> adjusted). Call around there must be somewhere in the metropolis that
> can
>>>>> do it.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.jgparks.com/
>>>> 
>>>> Rick
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Jul 12, 2012 10:23 AM, "Scott Ritchey"  wrote:

> consider that you can get a whole
> set of new Bosch injectors from Rusty for
> about the same price.
>

Not sure whether it is true, but conventional wisdom on the NectarineBits
forums has it that new Bosch injectors are made in India, and not as good
as old ones (i.e., if you can take the latter to a Bosch shop and have them
properly rebuilt and balanced, you will get much better results).

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Scott Ritchey]

I bought a Chinese knock off of a pop tester, maybe 10-15 years ago.  Looks
like the one in the MBZ book and cost about $200 back then.  My injectors
were all within the pop pressure spec so I didn't have to mess with shims.
But I did use an injector cleaning kit to ream out the tiny passages in the
nozzle; this kit is a bunch of tiny wires in assorted sizes and a handle to
hold them as you clean the various nozzle passages.  Or you can just replace
the nozzle assembly but reman injectors from Rusty cost about the same as
new nozzles (or did back in the day).

I see Kent Bergsma sells a kit just for this purpose
(https://mercedessource.com/node/6016) which is probably a good deal but
consider that you can get a whole set of new Bosch injectors from Rusty for
about the same price.

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Dan Penoff
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:23 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

Jaime,

What do you use for a pop tester? Also, did you get an assortment of shims
or do you just buy them as needed?

Dan

On Jul 11, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> I've done a few sets now... I soak the parts in the
> paint-bucket-carb-cleaner you can buy at parts store.  It does a great
job.
> 
> I've had great results with my rebuilds... very happy with the stuff from
> Mercedes source to make jobs like this possible for the average DIY guy.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Randy Bennell 
wrote:
> 
>> Anyone tried it themselves with the setup offered by Mercedesource?
>> 
>> Converted hydraulic jack and a case of various shims?
>> 
>> If one did, what would the best means of cleaning them be?
>> Ultrasonic setup of some sort?
>> Or just soak in purge etc?
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/07/2012 8:04 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Curt Raymond" 
wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'd probably go ahead and have the injectors redone (cleaned and
>>>> adjusted). Call around there must be somewhere in the metropolis that
can
>>>> do it.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.jgparks.com/
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Dan Penoff]

Jaime,

What do you use for a pop tester? Also, did you get an assortment of shims or 
do you just buy them as needed?

Dan

On Jul 11, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> I've done a few sets now... I soak the parts in the
> paint-bucket-carb-cleaner you can buy at parts store.  It does a great job.
> 
> I've had great results with my rebuilds... very happy with the stuff from
> Mercedes source to make jobs like this possible for the average DIY guy.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
> 
>> Anyone tried it themselves with the setup offered by Mercedesource?
>> 
>> Converted hydraulic jack and a case of various shims?
>> 
>> If one did, what would the best means of cleaning them be?
>> Ultrasonic setup of some sort?
>> Or just soak in purge etc?
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/07/2012 8:04 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'd probably go ahead and have the injectors redone (cleaned and
 adjusted). Call around there must be somewhere in the metropolis that can
 do it.
 
>>> 
>>> http://www.jgparks.com/
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Jaime Kopchinski]

I've done a few sets now... I soak the parts in the
paint-bucket-carb-cleaner you can buy at parts store.  It does a great job.

I've had great results with my rebuilds... very happy with the stuff from
Mercedes source to make jobs like this possible for the average DIY guy.

Jaime


On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> Anyone tried it themselves with the setup offered by Mercedesource?
>
> Converted hydraulic jack and a case of various shims?
>
> If one did, what would the best means of cleaning them be?
> Ultrasonic setup of some sort?
> Or just soak in purge etc?
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 10/07/2012 8:04 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
>
>> On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:
>>
>>  I'd probably go ahead and have the injectors redone (cleaned and
>>> adjusted). Call around there must be somewhere in the metropolis that can
>>> do it.
>>>
>>
>> http://www.jgparks.com/
>>
>> Rick
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Randy Bennell]

Anyone tried it themselves with the setup offered by Mercedesource?

Converted hydraulic jack and a case of various shims?

If one did, what would the best means of cleaning them be?
Ultrasonic setup of some sort?
Or just soak in purge etc?

Randy

On 10/07/2012 8:04 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:


I'd probably go ahead and have the injectors redone (cleaned and adjusted). 
Call around there must be somewhere in the metropolis that can do it.


http://www.jgparks.com/

Rick
Sent from my iPhone




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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Rick Knoble]

On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> I'd probably go ahead and have the injectors redone (cleaned and adjusted). 
> Call around there must be somewhere in the metropolis that can do it.


http://www.jgparks.com/

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Curt Raymond]

You've got multiple cars so this one can be down for a little while right? I'd 
probably go ahead and have the injectors redone (cleaned and adjusted). Call 
around there must be somewhere in the metropolis that can do it.

That way at least your injectors are a known quantity.

-Curt


Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:28:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dimitri Seretakis 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover
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So how does one determine if it's the pump vs the injectors?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

I'm wondering about the fuel pump. I had a GMC once that started and drove good 
but shuddered at takeoff. New fuel pump cured it.

I also did a purge last weekend. I did 2 cans with 20 minute rest in the middle 
to dissolve any crud. Didn't get much back in the bottle, turned it slightly 
darker but not seriously and no floating crud.

The car does idle slightly smoother now and gives a much smaller puff of smoke 
on startup. The biggest improvement was probably changing the fuel filters.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Max Dillon]

Any injector with more than 100k miles is suspect.  Purge is cheaper and easier 
and won't hurt.  Personally I'd get a set if rebuilt injectors from Q.
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Dimitri Seretakis]

So how does one determine if it's the pump vs the injectors?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

I'm wondering about the fuel pump. I had a GMC once that started and drove good 
but shuddered at takeoff. New fuel pump cured it.

I also did a purge last weekend. I did 2 cans with 20 minute rest in the middle 
to dissolve any crud. Didn't get much back in the bottle, turned it slightly 
darker but not seriously and no floating crud.

The car does idle slightly smoother now and gives a much smaller puff of smoke 
on startup. The biggest improvement was probably changing the fuel filters.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:09:58 -0500
From: OK Don 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover
Message-ID:
   
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One can of Purge might not clean very dirty injectors. Drive it like you
stole it, then do another can. Some injector issues cannot be cured by
Purge - they have to be rebuilt. How to tell when? I don't know ---

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

So the diesel purge didn't work wonders and yes I changed both filters
after the purge. My car still shudders while accelerating. It used to idle
roughly and stumble after long drives such as from Boston to DC. I haven't
taken it on a long drive yet as I just performed the purge. Does this sound
like an dirty or worn injector issue to you all or could my problem lie
elsewhere?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis 
wrote:

I just did a diesel purge. What do I do with the little bit that's
leftover. It seems to have some floating debris. I guess it did it's job:)
I'm also at a loss as to how to deal with the dirty fuel left in the old
spin on filter. Should I let it flow through a coffee filter or something
and re-use?

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Yeah my leftover purge was pretty dark and with the particles I'm wondering if 
I should just re-purge. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

I'm wondering about the fuel pump. I had a GMC once that started and drove good 
but shuddered at takeoff. New fuel pump cured it.

I also did a purge last weekend. I did 2 cans with 20 minute rest in the middle 
to dissolve any crud. Didn't get much back in the bottle, turned it slightly 
darker but not seriously and no floating crud.

The car does idle slightly smoother now and gives a much smaller puff of smoke 
on startup. The biggest improvement was probably changing the fuel filters.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:09:58 -0500
From: OK Don 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover
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One can of Purge might not clean very dirty injectors. Drive it like you
stole it, then do another can. Some injector issues cannot be cured by
Purge - they have to be rebuilt. How to tell when? I don't know ---

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

So the diesel purge didn't work wonders and yes I changed both filters
after the purge. My car still shudders while accelerating. It used to idle
roughly and stumble after long drives such as from Boston to DC. I haven't
taken it on a long drive yet as I just performed the purge. Does this sound
like an dirty or worn injector issue to you all or could my problem lie
elsewhere?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis 
wrote:

I just did a diesel purge. What do I do with the little bit that's
leftover. It seems to have some floating debris. I guess it did it's job:)
I'm also at a loss as to how to deal with the dirty fuel left in the old
spin on filter. Should I let it flow through a coffee filter or something
and re-use?

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Curt Raymond]

I'm wondering about the fuel pump. I had a GMC once that started and drove good 
but shuddered at takeoff. New fuel pump cured it.

I also did a purge last weekend. I did 2 cans with 20 minute rest in the middle 
to dissolve any crud. Didn't get much back in the bottle, turned it slightly 
darker but not seriously and no floating crud.

The car does idle slightly smoother now and gives a much smaller puff of smoke 
on startup. The biggest improvement was probably changing the fuel filters.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:09:58 -0500
From: OK Don 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

One can of Purge might not clean very dirty injectors. Drive it like you
stole it, then do another can. Some injector issues cannot be cured by
Purge - they have to be rebuilt. How to tell when? I don't know ---

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

> So the diesel purge didn't work wonders and yes I changed both filters
> after the purge. My car still shudders while accelerating. It used to idle
> roughly and stumble after long drives such as from Boston to DC. I haven't
> taken it on a long drive yet as I just performed the purge. Does this sound
> like an dirty or worn injector issue to you all or could my problem lie
> elsewhere?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 9, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis 
> wrote:
>
> I just did a diesel purge. What do I do with the little bit that's
> leftover. It seems to have some floating debris. I guess it did it's job:)
> I'm also at a loss as to how to deal with the dirty fuel left in the old
> spin on filter. Should I let it flow through a coffee filter or something
> and re-use?

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Dimitri Seretakis]

So now the dilemma... to re-purge or not to re-purge?  Realistically, how long 
can injectors go between rebuilds? My car has 240K-ish miles and I'm doubtful 
that injectors have been replaced. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2012, at 9:09 PM, OK Don  wrote:

One can of Purge might not clean very dirty injectors. Drive it like you
stole it, then do another can. Some injector issues cannot be cured by
Purge - they have to be rebuilt. How to tell when? I don't know ---

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

So the diesel purge didn't work wonders and yes I changed both filters
after the purge. My car still shudders while accelerating. It used to idle
roughly and stumble after long drives such as from Boston to DC. I haven't
taken it on a long drive yet as I just performed the purge. Does this sound
like an dirty or worn injector issue to you all or could my problem lie
elsewhere?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis 
wrote:

I just did a diesel purge. What do I do with the little bit that's
leftover. It seems to have some floating debris. I guess it did it's job:)
I'm also at a loss as to how to deal with the dirty fuel left in the old
spin on filter. Should I let it flow through a coffee filter or something
and re-use?
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Allan Streib]

OK Don  writes:

> Some injector issues cannot be cured by Purge - they have to be
> rebuilt. How to tell when? I don't know ---

Well, if the Diesel Purge doesn't resolve the problem... you know.

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[OK Don]

One can of Purge might not clean very dirty injectors. Drive it like you
stole it, then do another can. Some injector issues cannot be cured by
Purge - they have to be rebuilt. How to tell when? I don't know ---

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

> So the diesel purge didn't work wonders and yes I changed both filters
> after the purge. My car still shudders while accelerating. It used to idle
> roughly and stumble after long drives such as from Boston to DC. I haven't
> taken it on a long drive yet as I just performed the purge. Does this sound
> like an dirty or worn injector issue to you all or could my problem lie
> elsewhere?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 9, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis 
> wrote:
>
> I just did a diesel purge. What do I do with the little bit that's
> leftover. It seems to have some floating debris. I guess it did it's job:)
> I'm also at a loss as to how to deal with the dirty fuel left in the old
> spin on filter. Should I let it flow through a coffee filter or something
> and re-use?
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Andrew, do you filter through a coffee filter?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2012, at 5:45 PM, andrew strasfogel  wrote:

Recycle the dirty fuel and change both filters.  Pour the unused purge
directly into the gas tank.


On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
I just did a diesel purge. What do I do with the little bit that's leftover. It 
seems to have some floating debris. I guess it did it's job:) I'm also at a 
loss as to how to deal with the dirty fuel left in the old spin on filter. 
Should I let it flow through a coffee filter or something and re-use?
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[Dimitri Seretakis]

So the diesel purge didn't work wonders and yes I changed both filters after 
the purge. My car still shudders while accelerating. It used to idle roughly 
and stumble after long drives such as from Boston to DC. I haven't taken it on 
a long drive yet as I just performed the purge. Does this sound like an dirty 
or worn injector issue to you all or could my problem lie elsewhere? 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

I just did a diesel purge. What do I do with the little bit that's leftover. It 
seems to have some floating debris. I guess it did it's job:) I'm also at a 
loss as to how to deal with the dirty fuel left in the old spin on filter. 
Should I let it flow through a coffee filter or something and re-use?  
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel purge leftover

[andrew strasfogel]

Recycle the dirty fuel and change both filters.  Pour the unused purge
directly into the gas tank.


On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> I just did a diesel purge. What do I do with the little bit that's leftover. 
> It seems to have some floating debris. I guess it did it's job:) I'm also at 
> a loss as to how to deal with the dirty fuel left in the old spin on filter. 
> Should I let it flow through a coffee filter or something and re-use?
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Allan Streib]

"LarryT"  writes:

> Damn!  I was getting all excited.  ;-)   But in the back of my mind I
> was thinking, I don't recall any of that in my car. Shucks.
>
> BTW, when I was connecting the hoses to my DP glass jar, I noticed the
> both the supply & return hose ends near the chassis  those hose clamps
> like the factory uses.  It was a small piece of metal crimped into
> place.  What kind of tool does the crimping?  Anybody seen one of
> those tools?  Anyone know who sells the tools and metal hose clamps?

I think you are talking about a "hose clip" They can be crimped on with
a special tool, or just "end cutters" (I think some people call these
"end nippers")

I think McMaster-Carr has them, also there are some at germansupply.com
but I don't know if they have the size you need.  They specialize more
in VWs.

http://www.germansupply.com/home/customer/product.php?productid=17371

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[OK Don]

I cut those off and replace them with the Mercedes type re-usable clamps
from Rusty - a solid metal band with a machine screw/nut clamp.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:36 PM, LarryT  wrote:

> Damn!  I was getting all excited.  ;-)   But in the back of my mind I was
> thinking, I don't recall any of that in my car. Shucks.
>
> BTW, when I was connecting the hoses to my DP glass jar, I noticed the both
> the supply & return hose ends near the chassis  those hose clamps like the
> factory uses.  It was a small piece of metal crimped into place.  What kind
> of tool does the crimping?  Anybody seen one of those tools?  Anyone know
> who sells the tools and metal hose clamps?
>
> Thx -
> LarryT
> 91 300-D
>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[LarryT]

Damn!  I was getting all excited.  ;-)   But in the back of my mind I was 
thinking, I don't recall any of that in my car. Shucks.


BTW, when I was connecting the hoses to my DP glass jar, I noticed the both 
the supply & return hose ends near the chassis  those hose clamps like the 
factory uses.  It was a small piece of metal crimped into place.  What kind 
of tool does the crimping?  Anybody seen one of those tools?  Anyone know 
who sells the tools and metal hose clamps?


Thx -
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge


His car does not have the ELR idle adjusting plug

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

If your EDS is working, idle speed is adjusted by pulling out the little
round black plug thing, rotating it and sticking it back in.  It is
located on the fuse-box side of the firewall (on other side is the
engine).  Increasing numbers = increasing idle speed.  It should drop to
(from foggy memory) 550 RPM when you pull out the plug.

If that doesn't work, you can bypass all the complicated stuff, unplug
the EDS cable (two wire connector) connected to idle control on rear
most portion of IP, and then there should be a hex plug/adjustment
(6mm?) with lock-nut which works the same as earlier injection pumps.
Adjust this hex thing until desired idle is achieved, then lock it down.

Max

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 10:23 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge


I guess I should have used 2 cans.  But I'm not sure I have a
problem that Diesel Purge solves.  At idle the car seems to idle a
little low causing a vibration/shaking.  Doesn't matter to me but my
wife complains about it - since its her car I'd like to fix it.  The DP
was step 1.

Now I need to study the Idle Control and what appears to be a bunch
of little gizmos to maintain idle.  I'm thinking one of those like Idle
Control Gizmo's has a bad gasket of has stopped working properly.
Unfortunately, the WSM talks about checking things with a special 
Electronic MB testing


tool.   Of course,  it shouldn't be this complicated.

Later -
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge


The best part of a DieselPurge treatment is what your ears tell you. You 
can actually hear the car change from chugga-chugga to the Singer sewing 
machine sound. I always burn through two cans of Purge.


On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:01 PM, LarryT  wrote:



I plan to run a can of Diesel Purge in my '91 300D for the 1st time.

Question, the fuel return lines goes into the can as does fuel feed


line.

How will I know when the full can of DP has run through the engine? 
Doesn't

the fuel return line keep refilling the can with excess fuel?

Also, about how long does it typically take - assuming I'll run the 
engine at around 1500rpm?


Thanks!

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

His car does not have the ELR idle adjusting plug

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

If your EDS is working, idle speed is adjusted by pulling out the little
round black plug thing, rotating it and sticking it back in.  It is
located on the fuse-box side of the firewall (on other side is the
engine).  Increasing numbers = increasing idle speed.  It should drop to
(from foggy memory) 550 RPM when you pull out the plug.

If that doesn't work, you can bypass all the complicated stuff, unplug
the EDS cable (two wire connector) connected to idle control on rear
most portion of IP, and then there should be a hex plug/adjustment
(6mm?) with lock-nut which works the same as earlier injection pumps.
Adjust this hex thing until desired idle is achieved, then lock it down.

Max

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 10:23 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge


I guess I should have used 2 cans.  But I'm not sure I have a
problem that Diesel Purge solves.  At idle the car seems to idle a
little low causing a vibration/shaking.  Doesn't matter to me but my
wife complains about it - since its her car I'd like to fix it.  The DP
was step 1.

Now I need to study the Idle Control and what appears to be a bunch
of little gizmos to maintain idle.  I'm thinking one of those like Idle
Control 
Gizmo's has a bad gasket of has stopped working properly.
Unfortunately, 
the WSM talks about checking things with a special Electronic MB testing


tool.   Of course,  it shouldn't be this complicated.

Later -
LarryT
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Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:53 PM
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

  
The best part of a DieselPurge treatment is what your ears tell you. 
You can actually hear the car change from chugga-chugga to the Singer 
sewing machine sound. I always burn through two cans of Purge.


On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:01 PM, LarryT  wrote:



I plan to run a can of Diesel Purge in my '91 300D for the 1st time.

Question, the fuel return lines goes into the can as does fuel feed
  

line.
  
How will I know when the full can of DP has run through the engine? 
Doesn't

the fuel return line keep refilling the can with excess fuel?

Also, about how long does it typically take - assuming I'll run the 
engine at around 1500rpm?


Thanks!

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

If your EDS is working, idle speed is adjusted by pulling out the little
round black plug thing, rotating it and sticking it back in.  It is
located on the fuse-box side of the firewall (on other side is the
engine).  Increasing numbers = increasing idle speed.  It should drop to
(from foggy memory) 550 RPM when you pull out the plug.

If that doesn't work, you can bypass all the complicated stuff, unplug
the EDS cable (two wire connector) connected to idle control on rear
most portion of IP, and then there should be a hex plug/adjustment
(6mm?) with lock-nut which works the same as earlier injection pumps.
Adjust this hex thing until desired idle is achieved, then lock it down.

Max

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 10:23 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge


I guess I should have used 2 cans.  But I'm not sure I have a
problem that Diesel Purge solves.  At idle the car seems to idle a
little low causing a vibration/shaking.  Doesn't matter to me but my
wife complains about it - since its her car I'd like to fix it.  The DP
was step 1.

Now I need to study the Idle Control and what appears to be a bunch
of little gizmos to maintain idle.  I'm thinking one of those like Idle
Control 
Gizmo's has a bad gasket of has stopped working properly.
Unfortunately, 
the WSM talks about checking things with a special Electronic MB testing

tool.   Of course,  it shouldn't be this complicated.

Later -
LarryT
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Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:53 PM
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

> The best part of a DieselPurge treatment is what your ears tell you. 
> You can actually hear the car change from chugga-chugga to the Singer 
> sewing machine sound. I always burn through two cans of Purge.
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:01 PM, LarryT  wrote:
>
>> I plan to run a can of Diesel Purge in my '91 300D for the 1st time.
>>
>> Question, the fuel return lines goes into the can as does fuel feed
line.
>> How will I know when the full can of DP has run through the engine? 
>> Doesn't
>> the fuel return line keep refilling the can with excess fuel?
>>
>> Also, about how long does it typically take - assuming I'll run the 
>> engine at around 1500rpm?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> LarryT
>> 74 911
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[LarryT]

   I guess I should have used 2 cans.  But I'm not sure I have a problem 
that Diesel Purge solves.  At idle the car seems to idle a little low 
causing a vibration/shaking.  Doesn't matter to me but my wife complains 
about it - since its her car I'd like to fix it.  The DP was step 1.


   Now I need to study the Idle Control and what appears to be a bunch of 
little gizmos to maintain idle.  I'm thinking one of those like Idle Control 
Gizmo's has a bad gasket of has stopped working properly.   Unfortunately, 
the WSM talks about checking things with a special Electronic MB testing 
tool.   Of course,  it shouldn't be this complicated.


Later -
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The best part of a DieselPurge treatment is what your ears tell you. You 
can
actually hear the car change from chugga-chugga to the Singer sewing 
machine

sound. I always burn through two cans of Purge.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:01 PM, LarryT  wrote:


I plan to run a can of Diesel Purge in my '91 300D for the 1st time.

Question, the fuel return lines goes into the can as does fuel feed line.
How will I know when the full can of DP has run through the engine? 
Doesn't

the fuel return line keep refilling the can with excess fuel?

Also, about how long does it typically take - assuming I'll run the 
engine

at around 1500rpm?

Thanks!

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Craig McCluskey]

On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:09:08 -0400 "LarryT"  wrote:

> Thx Max - You're right, the non-concentrated method would definitely be 
> easier!

But would possibly have poorer results due to the lower concentration.


> As far as the catastrophe that might occur, IMO I doubt it.  This stuff
> has  been around for a very long time and if IP's were being damaged
> when using  it I suspect we'd have heard by now - especially with the
> activity of this list.

Indeed.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Wonko the Sane]

The best part of a DieselPurge treatment is what your ears tell you. You can
actually hear the car change from chugga-chugga to the Singer sewing machine
sound. I always burn through two cans of Purge.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:01 PM, LarryT  wrote:

> I plan to run a can of Diesel Purge in my '91 300D for the 1st time.
>
> Question, the fuel return lines goes into the can as does fuel feed line.
> How will I know when the full can of DP has run through the engine?  Doesn't
> the fuel return line keep refilling the can with excess fuel?
>
> Also, about how long does it typically take - assuming I'll run the engine
> at around 1500rpm?
>
> Thanks!
>
> LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[LarryT]

Yeah, let me correct that - I meant to say <fuel fillup">>


There, that's better. ;-)

LarryT
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"Of course, I *do* put a shot of Marvel Mystery Oil into each gas fillup"

U, I think I might see a problem...

--R


LarryT wrote:

Hi Gang -
Finally got around to running a can of DP thru my 91 300D.  It took a 
while to get started, the return hose had a clamp that was impossible to 
unscrew.  Ended up cutting the metal band with a Dremel.


With that out of the way, I hooked up the hoses and started the 
engine - it took about 15 min with me running thru a range of rpm's.


The surprising part was it made no difference at idle although the 
cruising speeds seemed quieter and smoother.  But that may be my 
imagination.  Of course, I *do* put a shot of Marvel Mystery Oil into 
each gas fillup which may have prevented any carbon buildup on the heads 
and injectors.
Perhaps that's why I didn't see a change?  I did notice one of the 
black cloth covered return fuel lines (that run between each injector) 
was frayed and would have failed soon - so the exercise was worth it.


Thanks Gang -
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[Rich Thomas]

"Of course, I *do* put a shot of Marvel Mystery Oil into each gas fillup"

U, I think I might see a problem...

--R


LarryT wrote:

Hi Gang -
Finally got around to running a can of DP thru my 91 300D.  It took a while 
to get started, the return hose had a clamp that was impossible to unscrew.  
Ended up cutting the metal band with a Dremel.

With that out of the way, I hooked up the hoses and started the engine - it 
took about 15 min with me running thru a range of rpm's.

The surprising part was it made no difference at idle although the cruising speeds seemed quieter and smoother.  But that may be my imagination.  Of course, I *do* put a shot of Marvel Mystery Oil into each gas fillup which may have prevented any carbon buildup on the heads and injectors.  


Perhaps that's why I didn't see a change?  I did notice one of the black 
cloth covered return fuel lines (that run between each injector) was frayed and 
would have failed soon - so the exercise was worth it.

Thanks Gang -
LarryT
91 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

[LarryT]

re the sentence cut-off - Hmm, how'd I do that?

Thx Max - You're right, the non-concentrated method would definitely be 
easier!


As far as the catastrophe that might occur, IMO I doubt it.  This stuff has 
been around for a very long time and if IP's were being damaged when using 
it I suspect we'd have heard by now - especially with the activity of this 
list.


Take care -
LarryT


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Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 7:06 AM
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge


Larry,

I would imagine that if you simply added the DP to the fuel tank you
could avoid the scary scenario but still get all the benefits and it
would be much simpler to do as well.

What I'd like to know is if there is any credence to this scary
scenario.

Your email below appears to be cut-off mid-sentence ala LT Don with his
fat fingers/small keyboard.

Max

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

Hi Max,
Well, that's a scary scenario!   Let's hope it isn't true!  I was
planning
to run some DP thru tonight.  In the past I had to use some stuff called
Ferox to clean things.  My '91 had only 99k mi on it (avg 7000/yr) and
later speaking to the PO's assistant I learned he drove it daily round
trip of about 4 miles.  So it never got warm and that low temp driving
created carbon in the combustion system.  I got rid of it with the Ferox
and my wife helped by putting 100  mi +/- daily which was probably the
best method.
She's now only driving 32 mi. RT daily  and I always put a dose (~4 oz)
Marvel Mystery Oil in the fuel with each fill up, but the raves I hear
about Diesel Purge are so phenomenal I wanted to give it a try.  Lately,
our W124 300D has been idling roughly so I thought that'd be a good
starting point - I've checked most lt the i

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Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Purge


Larry,

Plan to spend about 15 or 20 minutes per can.

I found a thread once on mercedesshop forum where a gentleman (who
claimed to rebuild IP's for a living or some such) wrote that Diesel
Purge caused damage because it loosened and flowed all the crap inside



the pump, so the pump elements and the injectors could be damaged when



all this crap with abrasive qualities came through at once.  Depending



on what's in your pump, and if it has been feed a diet of low quality
fuel and never been cleaned by diesel purge, this guy said that there
could be deposits inside minding their own business and not bothering
anything, so why mess with them?  If your injectors need cleaning,
take them out and clean them by hand instead.

I supposed that using bio-diesel or VO, which has much stronger
cleaning properties than #2 ULSD, may have the same affect?

Anyone else ever heard of such a thing?  Anyone have a friend in the
IP rebuild business they could ask and verify?  I am skeptical; it
seems to me that the IP was probably super clean at installation in
the engine, and from then on all the fuel was filtered, so where could



any abrasive particles come from to be deposited inside the pump?

Max

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:02 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Diesel Purge

I plan to run a can of Diesel Purge in my '91 300D for the 1st time.

Question, the fuel return lines goes into the can as does fuel feed
line.   How will I know when the full can of DP has run through the
engine?  Doesn't the fuel return line keep refilling the can with
excess fuel?

Also, about how long does it typically take - assuming I'll run the
engine at around 1500rpm?

Thanks!

LarryT
74 911

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