Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools
You will get what you pay for. I bought a $40 ball joint tool set, bent the C-clamp on the first real job we tried (replacing W126 ball joints, a royal pain). I just spent $180 on a Specialty Products ball joint tool set that looked identical, but this time the clamp stayed true even though we really pulled on it. A friend of mine bought an AC vacuum pump from them, then spent the rest of the day looking for the oil for it. Nice pump, but no vacuum pump oil in the store, no sign that it was necessary, the whole thing was a pain. Peter On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Allan Streib wrote: I just ordered this from HF: http://www.harborfreight.com/7-piece-38-drive-metric-long-reach- hex-bit-socket-set-67890.html My last customer service experience at Sears was so bad that I'm going to try something different. I've almost always bought Craftsman tools, even though I think their quality has declined over the years. The last tool I wanted to buy (a stubby 3/8" ratchet handle) was in a locked rack. So I had to wait for over half an hour for the ONE slow-as-molasses, dim-witted salesperson in the tools dept. to finish helping the two people who were there before me. I've never tried HF hand tools before, but for the price and ease of online ordering, I'm going to give them a chance. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools
Peter Frederick writes: > A friend of mine bought an AC vacuum pump from them, then spent the > rest of the day looking for the oil for it. Nice pump, but no vacuum > pump oil in the store, no sign that it was necessary, the whole thing > was a pain. I also bought an AC vacuum pump from them a year or two ago. Mine did come with oil. It's worked well for me so far, though I only use it on my own cars, maybe a couple of times a year tops. In a shop environment where it would see frequent use it may not be a good choice. I have never tried their hand tools, though. I'm hoping they are at least a step above Wal-Mart tools, but if they are not at least it's not a lot of money ventured. I'm guessing for moderate-to-low torque applications they will be fine for my purposes. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools
I bought a crapsman metric set with combination wrenches and 3/8 and 1/2" drive sockets in the 70s. I have never complained about the sockets. In fact I still recommend buying a crapsman 1 1/16" deep socket for injector holder R&R. The combination wrenches, however, were another story. The box ends have such a thick wall that they won't fit many places. A far cry from the older tools my dad had. I just happened to look at the current crop of crapsman wrenches at Kmart today. The crapsman stuff is still thick walled, but they had another line, that is highly polished to look like Snappy's overpriced stuff. Those had a nice looking box; WAY thinner than the crapsman set. If you make your living with your tools, then buy Mac or SK or Snappy or any good brand. If you are like me and only work on cars as needed, then the HF stuff is very well suited. I have been unsuccessful getting snears to replace any "Lifetime Guaranteed" tool for the past 30 years. Every time I took something back to HF, it was replaced without drama. I think I have taken back only 2 things, and one was a corded drill that burned out within a year. I did not buy the extended warranty. I still have some crapsman junk that should be exchanged if anyone wants to volunteer to try. I now use mostly all Master Mechanic (True Value) and HF tools. The MM are good tools, and they have been good about replacement of broken things. You will get what you pay for. I never believed I got the quality I paid for with crapsman tools. With a few exceptions, I have gotten what I paid for, or more from HF. Diesels: 1980 240D 4 spd 1981 240D waiting for a 4spd or one of the hard to find 5 speeds. 1987 SDL 1987 300D Next year they all qualify for the "Antique" plates in other states. I bought a $40 ball joint tool set, bent the C-clamp on the first real job we tried (replacing W126 ball joints, a royal pain). I just spent $180 on a Specialty Products ball joint tool set that looked identical, but this time the clamp stayed true even though we really pulled on it. A friend of mine bought an AC vacuum pump from them, then spent the rest of the day looking for the oil for it. Nice pump, but no vacuum pump oil in the store, no sign that it was necessary, the whole thing was a pain. Peter On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Allan Streib wrote: I just ordered this from HF: http://www.harborfreight.com/7-piece-38-drive-metric-long-reach-hex-bit-socket-set-67890.html My last customer service experience at Sears was so bad that I'm going to try something different. I've almost always bought Craftsman tools, even though I think their quality has declined over the years. The last tool I wanted to buy (a stubby 3/8" ratchet handle) was in a locked rack. So I had to wait for over half an hour for the ONE slow-as-molasses, dim-witted salesperson in the tools dept. to finish helping the two people who were there before me. I've never tried HF hand tools before, but for the price and ease of online ordering, I'm going to give them a chance. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools
Some of the HF stuff seems OK, I bought a set of long combo wrenches to get up in some spaces on my house addition where I was setting some lag bolts and nuts, they seem nicely balanced, well-polished, and did the job. I have some other kinda specialty stuff I got from them (some "star" sockets, not sure what they are called, like reverse torx). With HF stuff I try to stay away from stuff with more than one moving part, but I did get a vac pump (it had oil) and a recip saw for $20, which I have used quite a bit and I am surprised it has performed well. But for $20 I have low expectations so a disappointment would not be disappointing. All that said, the Lowes Kobalt stuff is pretty nice, I think better than sears. I went over to Sears the other day for like the first time in 2 years to get some staples for my 30yo stapler, and all the tools were no longer in those display cases. I was surprised. And the guy there was very helpful, almost too much so. --R On 9/18/11 4:30 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I bought a crapsman metric set with combination wrenches and 3/8 and 1/2" drive sockets in the 70s. I have never complained about the sockets. In fact I still recommend buying a crapsman 1 1/16" deep socket for injector holder R&R. The combination wrenches, however, were another story. The box ends have such a thick wall that they won't fit many places. A far cry from the older tools my dad had. I just happened to look at the current crop of crapsman wrenches at Kmart today. The crapsman stuff is still thick walled, but they had another line, that is highly polished to look like Snappy's overpriced stuff. Those had a nice looking box; WAY thinner than the crapsman set. If you make your living with your tools, then buy Mac or SK or Snappy or any good brand. If you are like me and only work on cars as needed, then the HF stuff is very well suited. I have been unsuccessful getting snears to replace any "Lifetime Guaranteed" tool for the past 30 years. Every time I took something back to HF, it was replaced without drama. I think I have taken back only 2 things, and one was a corded drill that burned out within a year. I did not buy the extended warranty. I still have some crapsman junk that should be exchanged if anyone wants to volunteer to try. I now use mostly all Master Mechanic (True Value) and HF tools. The MM are good tools, and they have been good about replacement of broken things. You will get what you pay for. I never believed I got the quality I paid for with crapsman tools. With a few exceptions, I have gotten what I paid for, or more from HF. Diesels: 1980 240D 4 spd 1981 240D waiting for a 4spd or one of the hard to find 5 speeds. 1987 SDL 1987 300D Next year they all qualify for the "Antique" plates in other states. I bought a $40 ball joint tool set, bent the C-clamp on the first real job we tried (replacing W126 ball joints, a royal pain). I just spent $180 on a Specialty Products ball joint tool set that looked identical, but this time the clamp stayed true even though we really pulled on it. A friend of mine bought an AC vacuum pump from them, then spent the rest of the day looking for the oil for it. Nice pump, but no vacuum pump oil in the store, no sign that it was necessary, the whole thing was a pain. Peter On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Allan Streib wrote: I just ordered this from HF: http://www.harborfreight.com/7-piece-38-drive-metric-long-reach-hex-bit-socket-set-67890.html My last customer service experience at Sears was so bad that I'm going to try something different. I've almost always bought Craftsman tools, even though I think their quality has declined over the years. The last tool I wanted to buy (a stubby 3/8" ratchet handle) was in a locked rack. So I had to wait for over half an hour for the ONE slow-as-molasses, dim-witted salesperson in the tools dept. to finish helping the two people who were there before me. I've never tried HF hand tools before, but for the price and ease of online ordering, I'm going to give them a chance. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_oki
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Dieselhead wrote: > I bought a crapsman metric set with combination wrenches and 3/8 and 1/2" > drive sockets in the 70s. I have never complained about the sockets. Yah, well... I broke my '70's 10mm socket while trying to recover your set of seatbelts from the carcass. I fear to go to Sears for a replacement. I guess I should go to the pawn shop and hope to find a WF socket. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mountain Man writes: > I broke my '70's 10mm socket while trying to recover your set of > seatbelts from the carcass. > I fear to go to Sears for a replacement. I guess I should go to the > pawn shop and hope to find a WF socket. I've never had an argument from Sears about replacing a broken Craftsman hand tool. That's the main reason I've continued to buy them. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You will have no questions. Take it in, find a salesperson, tell them it broke, they'll pick out a replacement for you. No questions asked. When I was in tech school years ago, a lot of the guys I know who were strapped for cash would go to swap meets and buy old beat up Craftsman tools just to take them in to Sear and swap for new ones Dan From: Allan Streib To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools Mountain Man writes: > I broke my '70's 10mm socket while trying to recover your set of > seatbelts from the carcass. > I fear to go to Sears for a replacement. I guess I should go to the > pawn shop and hope to find a WF socket. I've never had an argument from Sears about replacing a broken Craftsman hand tool. That's the main reason I've continued to buy them. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dan wrote: > You will have no questions. Take it in, find a salesperson, tell them it > broke, they'll pick out a replacement for you. No questions asked. > Yabbut... This is a 6-point 10mm, i.e. special set of which one socket is gone bad, I dunno. Plus, anything sold today is probably not Western Forge - probably china, no? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools
Every tool is different but I've had some EXCELLENT luck there. For regular combination wrenches there is no better deal on the market than HF's 9 piece set. So far I haven't broken a wrench or in fact damaged one in any way. To get the caliper bolts off my MBs I put the wrench on the caliper bolt and then raise the other end with my floor jack. Occasionally the wrench slips off with a *SPROING* but mostly it just takes the bolt out... Compare to Craftsman at 2x the price, the Craftsman are not polished and just don't feel as good in the hand. I've also got a couple sets of HF sockets, the only complaint I have is the laser etching can be kind of hard to read. Otherwise again I've never hurt one or had it round a bolt. -Curt Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:31:09 -0400 From: Allan Streib To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just ordered this from HF: http://www.harborfreight.com/7-piece-38-drive-metric-long-reach-hex-bit-socket-set-67890.html My last customer service experience at Sears was so bad that I'm going to try something different. I've almost always bought Craftsman tools, even though I think their quality has declined over the years. The last tool I wanted to buy (a stubby 3/8" ratchet handle) was in a locked rack. So I had to wait for over half an hour for the ONE slow-as-molasses, dim-witted salesperson in the tools dept. to finish helping the two people who were there before me. I've never tried HF hand tools before, but for the price and ease of online ordering, I'm going to give them a chance. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools
10mm 6 point is hardly a "special socket". Pro mechanics use 6-point unless the bolt or nut is a 12-point. I don't like the Craftsman combination wrenches either. Craftsman sockets are okay until you have some slip off the nut or bolt and their ratchets are junk. Snap On tools cost more, but fit better, work better, and feel better in the hand. Brian On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Every tool is different but I've had some EXCELLENT luck there. For regular > combination wrenches there is no better deal on the market than HF's 9 piece > set. > > So far I haven't broken a wrench or in fact damaged one in any way. > To get the caliper bolts off my MBs I put the wrench on the caliper bolt > and then raise the other end with my floor jack. Occasionally the wrench > slips off with a *SPROING* but mostly it just takes the bolt out... > > Compare to Craftsman at 2x the price, the Craftsman are not polished and > just don't feel as good in the hand. > > I've also got a couple sets of HF sockets, the only complaint I have is the > laser etching can be kind of hard to read. Otherwise again I've never hurt > one or had it round a bolt. > > -Curt > > Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:31:09 -0400 > From: Allan Streib > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I just ordered this from HF: > > > http://www.harborfreight.com/7-piece-38-drive-metric-long-reach-hex-bit-socket-set-67890.html > > My last customer service experience at Sears was so bad that I'm going > to try something different. I've almost always bought Craftsman tools, > even though I think their quality has declined over the years. The last > tool I wanted to buy (a stubby 3/8" ratchet handle) was in a locked > rack. So I had to wait for over half an hour for the ONE > slow-as-molasses, dim-witted salesperson in the tools dept. to finish > helping the two people who were there before me. > > I've never tried HF hand tools before, but for the price and ease of > online ordering, I'm going to give them a chance. > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > 1979 300SD > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools
I finally bought an SK ratchet on Amazon as I was so tired of my Crapsman 1/2" locking up and not ratcheting or slipping into the wrong direction. Though it was 2x the price the SK is 4x the tool of the Crapsman and a real joy to use. I finally used my ring pliers (forget the real name) to pull the ratchet out of the Crapsman unit. Realized immediately that there wasn't any grease in there... It must have been oiled at one point but theres no trace of that now. I have all 3 common sizes, 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" all with the same problem. I'm now experimenting with what to use to lube them properly, the 1/4" got some heavy gun oil. 3/8" got some white lithium grease and the 1/2" got regular grease from the grease gun. It'll be interesting to see what happens when it gets cold out... -Curt Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:30:04 -0500 From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I bought a crapsman metric set with combination wrenches and 3/8 and 1/2" drive sockets in the 70s. I have never complained about the sockets. In fact I still recommend buying a crapsman 1 1/16" deep socket for injector holder R&R. The combination wrenches, however, were another story. The box ends have such a thick wall that they won't fit many places. A far cry from the older tools my dad had. I just happened to look at the current crop of crapsman wrenches at Kmart today. The crapsman stuff is still thick walled, but they had another line, that is highly polished to look like Snappy's overpriced stuff. Those had a nice looking box; WAY thinner than the crapsman set. If you make your living with your tools, then buy Mac or SK or Snappy or any good brand. If you are like me and only work on cars as needed, then the HF stuff is very well suited. I have been unsuccessful getting snears to replace any "Lifetime Guaranteed" tool for the past 30 years. Every time I took something back to HF, it was replaced without drama. I think I have taken back only 2 things, and one was a corded drill that burned out within a year. I did not buy the extended warranty. I still have some crapsman junk that should be exchanged if anyone wants to volunteer to try. I now use mostly all Master Mechanic (True Value) and HF tools. The MM are good tools, and they have been good about replacement of broken things. >You will get what you pay for. I never believed I got the quality I paid for with crapsman tools. With a few exceptions, I have gotten what I paid for, or more from HF. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools
Mountain Man writes: > This is a 6-point 10mm, i.e. special set of which one socket is gone > bad, I dunno. They won't replace the whole set, but should replace the individual broken socket. Whether they actually have 6 point sockets for sale individually is another question. I'd bet they do, their socket selection is still pretty large. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Proto wrenches are the best. Blackhawk and armsrtrong are also good. Walt On Sep 18, 2011 4:40 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > I bought a crapsman metric set with combination wrenches and 3/8 and > 1/2" drive sockets in the 70s. I have never complained about the > sockets. In fact I still recommend buying a crapsman 1 1/16" deep > socket for injector holder R&R. The combination wrenches, however, > were another story. The box ends have such a thick wall that they > won't fit many places. A far cry from the older tools my dad had. > > I just happened to look at the current crop of crapsman wrenches at > Kmart today. The crapsman stuff is still thick walled, but they had > another line, that is highly polished to look like Snappy's > overpriced stuff. Those had a nice looking box; WAY thinner than the > crapsman set. > > If you make your living with your tools, then buy Mac or SK or Snappy > or any good brand. If you are like me and only work on cars as > needed, then the HF stuff is very well suited. > > I have been unsuccessful getting snears to replace any "Lifetime > Guaranteed" tool for the past 30 years. Every time I took something > back to HF, it was replaced without drama. I think I have taken back > only 2 things, and one was a corded drill that burned out within a > year. I did not buy the extended warranty. > > I still have some crapsman junk that should be exchanged if anyone > wants to volunteer to try. > > I now use mostly all Master Mechanic (True Value) and HF tools. The > MM are good tools, and they have been good about replacement of > broken things. > >>You will get what you pay for. > > I never believed I got the quality I paid for with crapsman tools. > With a few exceptions, I have gotten what I paid for, or more from HF. > > Diesels: > 1980 240D 4 spd > 1981 240D waiting for a 4spd or one of the hard to find 5 speeds. > 1987 SDL > 1987 300D > > Next year they all qualify for the "Antique" plates in other states. > > >> >>I bought a $40 ball joint tool set, bent the C-clamp on the first >>real job we tried (replacing W126 ball joints, a royal pain). >> >>I just spent $180 on a Specialty Products ball joint tool set that >>looked identical, but this time the clamp stayed true even though we >>really pulled on it. >> >>A friend of mine bought an AC vacuum pump from them, then spent the >>rest of the day looking for the oil for it. Nice pump, but no >>vacuum pump oil in the store, no sign that it was necessary, the >>whole thing was a pain. >> >>Peter >> >>On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Allan Streib wrote: >> >>>I just ordered this from HF: >>> >>> >>> http://www.harborfreight.com/7-piece-38-drive-metric-long-reach-hex-bit-socket-set-67890.html >>> >>>My last customer service experience at Sears was so bad that I'm going >>>to try something different. I've almost always bought Craftsman tools, >>>even though I think their quality has declined over the years. The last >>>tool I wanted to buy (a stubby 3/8" ratchet handle) was in a locked >>>rack. So I had to wait for over half an hour for the ONE >>>slow-as-molasses, dim-witted salesperson in the tools dept. to finish >>>helping the two people who were there before me. >>> >>>I've never tried HF hand tools before, but for the price and ease of >>>online ordering, I'm going to give them a chance. >>> >>>Allan >>>-- >>>1983 300D >>>1979 300SD >>> >>>___ >>>http://www.okiebenz.com >>>For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >>___ >>http://www.okiebenz.com >>For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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HF is my choice for shit I don't need and the stuff I only use once. I bought a @ 25 cordless drill, 18V. after four #12 x 1..5" screws ?? Before that I bought a 16" orbital "Polisher". Myself and several 'freinds' couldn't wear it out. If you spell HF backwards it comes ot as "Pot Luck". You get what you pay for. BTW: K'leb, the motor kakaklatters just fine. Thanks again for saving a prehistoric creature. On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > I just ordered this from HF: > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What is a SK ratchet? 'm an old mechanic. Missed this one. On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > I finally bought an SK ratchet on Amazon as I was so tired of my Crapsman > 1/2" locking up and not ratcheting or slipping into the wrong direction. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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SK is a decent brand of hand tools. The stuff I've had from them has been OK. Usually purchased online from someplace like toolwarehouse.net. Brian On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Hans Neureiter wrote: > What is a SK ratchet? > 'm an old mechanic. > Missed this one. > > > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Curt Raymond > wrote: > > > I finally bought an SK ratchet on Amazon as I was so tired of my Crapsman > > 1/2" locking up and not ratcheting or slipping into the wrong direction. > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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SK tools. Pretty well known brand. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Hans Neureiter wrote: What is a SK ratchet? 'm an old mechanic. Missed this one. On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I finally bought an SK ratchet on Amazon as I was so tired of my Crapsman 1/2" locking up and not ratcheting or slipping into the wrong direction. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hans Neureiter wrote: What is a SK ratchet? 'm an old mechanic. Missed this one. You're kidding. Best tools to never ride a tool truck. Between MAC/MATCO and old Craftsman level. http://www.skhandtool.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You should have plenty of snears around Chicagoland. Give them a try first. It might work. Yabbut... This is a 6-point 10mm, i.e. special set of which one socket is gone bad, I dunno. Plus, anything sold today is probably not Western Forge - probably china, no? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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S-K used to be found in good hardware stores in independent FLAPS. Since the walmartization of autoparts, they are close to unobtanium locally. IF they are as good as they used to be, they as good as anything Snappy ever ripped someone off for. If you can find a S-K rachet from the 60s, it is probably the best you will ever find. If I could find some in a estate sale, I'd snap them up. SK tools. Pretty well known brand. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Hans Neureiter wrote: What is a SK ratchet? 'm an old mechanic. Missed this one. On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I finally bought an SK ratchet on Amazon as I was so tired of my Crapsman 1/2" locking up and not ratcheting or slipping into the wrong direction. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > S-K used to be found in good hardware stores in independent FLAPS. Since the > walmartization of autoparts, they are close to unobtanium locally. In the PNW the full S-K line of hand tools is available at a chain called Baxter's Auto Parts, but I have no idea how widespread they are. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I simply asked : what does SK stand for ? Brands I have in my box are Armstrong, Craftsmen, Korean chumnk and , no I don't naver bought one - Snap-On. (loose a few...) On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > > S-K used to be found in good hardware stores in independent FLAPS. Since > the > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> Hans Neureiter wrote: > I simply asked : what does SK stand for ? That is the brand. S-K. It probably does stand for something, but on the tools that's all it has. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SK_Hand_Tools On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Fmiser wrote: > > Hans Neureiter wrote: > > > I simply asked : what does SK stand for ? > > That is the brand. S-K. It probably does stand for something, but on the > tools that's all it has. > > --Philip > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Brian Toscano wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SK_Hand_Tools "In 1985 SK became part of Facom Tools." So that's why I started noticing warranty trouble in the spring of 1986. Just minor stuff, the girl at the hardware store, instead of handing me a new tool, spent ten minutes looking the tool up in her warranty book and inspecting it for 'signs of abuse which would negate warranty' before handing me a new tool. I said 'my warranty paperwork from ten years ago says 'unconditional lifetime warranty', she said 'if I don't go by the new book we won't be reimbursed' and I said 'so long, S-K'. I have bought a S-K flare nut wrench since then, after paying too much at a FLAPS for a 'Made in USA' Cal-Van that never would have passed Harbor Freight's quality control. Charging S-K level prices for tools that are uglier than Craftsman on the outside is one thing, when the tool is too ugly to use on the surfaces that grab the fastener, it's unacceptable, so Cal-Van earned a spot on my 'avoid for life' list over 20 years ago over that little $11 line wrench. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:44 PM, "Alex Chamberlain" wrote: > In the PNW the full S-K line of hand tools is available at a chain > called Baxter's Auto Parts, but I have no idea how widespread they > are. Here you can find Armstrong tools at Fastenal outlets. I've not been there myself, but one just opened in town and I've been meaning to check it out. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Allan Streib wrote: > Here you can find Armstrong tools at Fastenal outlets. > I've not been there myself, but one just opened in town and I've been meaning > to check it out. > Armstrong stuff is excellent and priced less than SK. I believe they used to be the OEM for Sears. I have an Armstrong flex-head 3/8" ratchet that became my favorite as soon as I started using it. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Brian Toscano wrote: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SK_Hand_Tools > > "In 1985 SK became part of Facom Tools." > > So that's why I started noticing warranty trouble in the spring of 1986. That reflects rather badly on Facom. They're supposed to be the French (Italian?) equivalent of Mac or Snap-On, absolutely the highest pro quality (used by Ferrari's pit crews according to Richard Griot), but if they give you trouble with warranty replacements... Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> > > Brian Toscano wrote: > > > > > > "In 1985 SK became part of Facom Tools." > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Mitch Haley > > > > So that's why I started noticing warranty trouble in the > > spring of 1986. > Alex Chamberlain wrote: > > That reflects rather badly on Facom. They're supposed to be > the French (Italian?) equivalent of Mac or Snap-On, absolutely > the highest pro quality (used by Ferrari's pit crews according > to Richard Griot), but if they give you trouble with warranty > replacements... Quality and customer service are totally independent. And maybe if you work for Ferrari you get good service. *smiles* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Alex Chamberlain wrote: That reflects rather badly on Facom. They're supposed to be the French (Italian?) equivalent of Mac or Snap-On, absolutely the highest pro quality (used by Ferrari's pit crews according to Richard Griot), but if they give you trouble with warranty replacements... Well, it wasn't really 'warranty trouble', as my entire 1/4" S-K set was in mint condition, but if it were scratched up, the hardware store would have been afraid to accept broken items. My parts manager wanted a 10mm wrench to install a battery she'd sold, so I gave her my S-K 1/4" driver with a 10mm socket on it, figuring there was no way she could damage brass battery screws with that. She told me the handle slipped when she gave it back. Yes, a 135lb girl had turned the plastic screwdriver handle hard enough to spin it on the shank, with her bare hands, and the hardware clerk was somewhat paranoid about exchanging it, although she did eventually decide there was nothing S-K could blame me for. Just the idea that my 'unconditional lifetime warranty' had suddenly beome unconditional after ten years meant it was another 8-10 years before my next S-K purchase. That S-K flare wrench I bought in the mid-1990s was indeed Snap-On quality for 1/2 the price. You may be correct about Facom upping the quality level of S-K. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 19/09/2011 2:48 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: That reflects rather badly on Facom. They're supposed to be the French (Italian?) equivalent of Mac or Snap-On, absolutely the highest pro quality (used by Ferrari's pit crews according to Richard Griot), but if they give you trouble with warranty replacements... Well, it wasn't really 'warranty trouble', as my entire 1/4" S-K set was in mint condition, but if it were scratched up, the hardware store would have been afraid to accept broken items. My parts manager wanted a 10mm wrench to install a battery she'd sold, so I gave her my S-K 1/4" driver with a 10mm socket on it, figuring there was no way she could damage brass battery screws with that. She told me the handle slipped when she gave it back. Yes, a 135lb girl had turned the plastic screwdriver handle hard enough to spin it on the shank, with her bare hands, and the hardware clerk was somewhat paranoid about exchanging it, although she did eventually decide there was nothing S-K could blame me for. Just the idea that my 'unconditional lifetime warranty' had suddenly beome unconditional after ten years meant it was another 8-10 years before my next S-K purchase. That S-K flare wrench I bought in the mid-1990s was indeed Snap-On quality for 1/2 the price. You may be correct about Facom upping the quality level of S-K. Mitch. They just never expected you to live so long. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch Haley wrote: Just the idea that my 'unconditional lifetime warranty' had suddenly beome unconditional after ten years Geez. Had suddenly become conditional, it should have said. The dealers had received instructions not to accept items with suspicious scratches, like wrenches and drive handles with nicks that could have been caused by cheater pipes, or screwdriver handles or shanks that might have been grabbed with pliers (my potential problem, and I swear the stripped plastic handle was cosmetically mint). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Facom and SK have been "divorced since the 1990's. SK tools was not doing well and was recently purchased by another tool conglomerate maybe two years ago? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2011, at 3:48 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: That reflects rather badly on Facom. They're supposed to be the French (Italian?) equivalent of Mac or Snap-On, absolutely the highest pro quality (used by Ferrari's pit crews according to Richard Griot), but if they give you trouble with warranty replacements... Well, it wasn't really 'warranty trouble', as my entire 1/4" S-K set was in mint condition, but if it were scratched up, the hardware store would have been afraid to accept broken items. My parts manager wanted a 10mm wrench to install a battery she'd sold, so I gave her my S-K 1/4" driver with a 10mm socket on it, figuring there was no way she could damage brass battery screws with that. She told me the handle slipped when she gave it back. Yes, a 135lb girl had turned the plastic screwdriver handle hard enough to spin it on the shank, with her bare hands, and the hardware clerk was somewhat paranoid about exchanging it, although she did eventually decide there was nothing S-K could blame me for. Just the idea that my 'unconditional lifetime warranty' had suddenly beome unconditional after ten years meant it was another 8-10 years before my next S-K purchase. That S-K flare wrench I bought in the mid-1990s was indeed Snap-On quality for 1/2 the price. You may be correct about Facom upping the quality level of S-K. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, I had the "lifetime warrenty" snears Die-easy batteries back when they had that warranty. They lasted from a day to a year, and snears didn't want to see me coming back. The last time, they told me they changed the policy, and that was the last battery I'd get. Soon after, Penny's had a "lifetime" battery. I bought one of them. they were better, but the second time they replaced it, they said that was the last battery. Soon after, they closed all their auto centers. Both were sold to me as "free replacement as long as you own the car." I still have the car. The penny;s battery has been sitting dead for 21 years Some year I will sell it for scrap. They just never expected you to live so long. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > The penny;s battery has been sitting dead for 21 > years Some year I will sell it for scrap. The car or the battery? Around here FLAPS will give you $10-$20 off the price of a new battery if you bring in an old one, even long out of warranty or from another store---they call it a core charge, but I'm sure it's really that they get something for the lead. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dieselhead wrote: Soon after, Penny's had a "lifetime" battery. I bought one of them. they were better, but the second time they replaced it, they said that was the last battery. Soon after, they closed all their auto centers. I don't remember the lifetime Diehard. Rachel Veitch has had 8 free Midas mufflers and 18 free batteries (first from JC Penney and then paid for by JCP after they quit selling batteries). I guess the JCP manager likes her better than you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUaunI-Ve5U ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My experience is that I can embarrass the Sears people into honoring the warranty. If you stand at the checkout and repeat "Do you mean that the Craftsman warranty is just bullshit?" when a customer is there to pay up it will pay them to give you a new tool. That being said, some of the HF tools are perfectly serviceable. My general rule with them is that their Taiwanese tools are generally better than the ChiCom ones. Their Pitman arm puller is total crap. I would suspect any similar tools are also crap, break on first attempted use. Sockets and breaker bars are very good. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools I bought a crapsman metric set with combination wrenches and 3/8 and 1/2" drive sockets in the 70s. I have never complained about the sockets. In fact I still recommend buying a crapsman 1 1/16" deep socket for injector holder R&R. The combination wrenches, however, were another story. The box ends have such a thick wall that they won't fit many places. A far cry from the older tools my dad had. I just happened to look at the current crop of crapsman wrenches at Kmart today. The crapsman stuff is still thick walled, but they had another line, that is highly polished to look like Snappy's overpriced stuff. Those had a nice looking box; WAY thinner than the crapsman set. If you make your living with your tools, then buy Mac or SK or Snappy or any good brand. If you are like me and only work on cars as needed, then the HF stuff is very well suited. I have been unsuccessful getting snears to replace any "Lifetime Guaranteed" tool for the past 30 years. Every time I took something back to HF, it was replaced without drama. I think I have taken back only 2 things, and one was a corded drill that burned out within a year. I did not buy the extended warranty. I still have some crapsman junk that should be exchanged if anyone wants to volunteer to try. I now use mostly all Master Mechanic (True Value) and HF tools. The MM are good tools, and they have been good about replacement of broken things. >You will get what you pay for. I never believed I got the quality I paid for with crapsman tools. With a few exceptions, I have gotten what I paid for, or more from HF. Diesels: 1980 240D 4 spd 1981 240D waiting for a 4spd or one of the hard to find 5 speeds. 1987 SDL 1987 300D Next year they all qualify for the "Antique" plates in other states. > >I bought a $40 ball joint tool set, bent the C-clamp on the first >real job we tried (replacing W126 ball joints, a royal pain). > >I just spent $180 on a Specialty Products ball joint tool set that >looked identical, but this time the clamp stayed true even though we >really pulled on it. > >A friend of mine bought an AC vacuum pump from them, then spent the >rest of the day looking for the oil for it. Nice pump, but no >vacuum pump oil in the store, no sign that it was necessary, the >whole thing was a pain. > >Peter > >On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > >>I just ordered this from HF: >> >> >>http://www.harborfreight.com/7-piece-38-drive-metric-long-reach-hex-bit-so cket-set-67890.html >> >>My last customer service experience at Sears was so bad that I'm going >>to try something different. I've almost always bought Craftsman tools, >>even though I think their quality has declined over the years. The last >>tool I wanted to buy (a stubby 3/8" ratchet handle) was in a locked >>rack. So I had to wait for over half an hour for the ONE >>slow-as-molasses, dim-witted salesperson in the tools dept. to finish >>helping the two people who were there before me. >> >>I've never tried HF hand tools before, but for the price and ease of >>online ordering, I'm going to give them a chance. >> >>Allan >>-- >>1983 300D >>1979 300SD >> >>___ >>http://www.okiebenz.com >>For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
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The battery.Last time I needed a battery FLAPS core was less than the salvage price for a battery of $3-5. But I have not checked for several years. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: The penny;s battery has been sitting dead for 21 years Some year I will sell it for scrap. The car or the battery? Around here FLAPS will give you $10-$20 off the price of a new battery if you bring in an old one, even long out of warranty or from another store---they call it a core charge, but I'm sure it's really that they get something for the lead. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I just scrapped some batteries. 3 batteries got me $50. Mike On Sep 20, 2011 11:45 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > The battery. Last time I needed a battery FLAPS core was less than > the salvage price for a battery of $3-5. But I have not checked for > several years. > >>On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> The penny;s battery has been sitting dead for 21 >>> years Some year I will sell it for scrap. >> >>The car or the battery? Around here FLAPS will give you $10-$20 off >>the price of a new battery if you bring in an old one, even long out >>of warranty or from another store---they call it a core charge, but >>I'm sure it's really that they get something for the lead. >> >>Alex > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Michael Canfield wrote: I just scrapped some batteries. 3 batteries got me $50. I try to keep a couple of small ones on hand for trade-ins. I'd never trade in a group 49 for a core charge. If they're giving $15-20 for those I guess it's time to get rid of a dead one I've got laying around. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We must be getting ripped off in this part of the country. Last 49 battery I scrapped (last year) brought a whole $5 after he tried to tell me it was worth $3. I told him it was way bigger than a car battery and more like a truck battery, then he gave in. I just scrapped some batteries. 3 batteries got me $50. Mike On Sep 20, 2011 11:45 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: The battery. Last time I needed a battery FLAPS core was less than the salvage price for a battery of $3-5. But I have not checked for several years. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: The penny;s battery has been sitting dead for 21 years Some year I will sell it for scrap. The car or the battery? Around here FLAPS will give you $10-$20 off the price of a new battery if you bring in an old one, even long out of warranty or from another store---they call it a core charge, but I'm sure it's really that they get something for the lead. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools
Where I go they pay $.30 per pound. Mike On Sep 21, 2011 9:12 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > We must be getting ripped off in this part of the country. Last 49 > battery I scrapped (last year) brought a whole $5 after he tried to > tell me it was worth $3. I told him it was way bigger than a car > battery and more like a truck battery, then he gave in. > > >>I just scrapped some batteries. 3 batteries got me $50. >> >>Mike >>On Sep 20, 2011 11:45 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> The battery. Last time I needed a battery FLAPS core was less than >>> the salvage price for a battery of $3-5. But I have not checked for >>> several years. >>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > The penny;s battery has been sitting dead for 21 > years Some year I will sell it for scrap. The car or the battery? Around here FLAPS will give you $10-$20 off the price of a new battery if you bring in an old one, even long out of warranty or from another store---they call it a core charge, but I'm sure it's really that they get something for the lead. Alex >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>___ >>http://www.okiebenz.com >>For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools
HF has honored everything I have ever taken back, including socket that split that I clearly drove on with a sledge hammer. Not only that but you can HAGGLE an extended warranty on everything that doesnt have a life time warranty. -Rolf On 09/18/2011 03:31 PM, Allan Streib wrote: I just ordered this from HF: http://www.harborfreight.com/7-piece-38-drive-metric-long-reach-hex-bit-socket-set-67890.html My last customer service experience at Sears was so bad that I'm going to try something different. I've almost always bought Craftsman tools, even though I think their quality has declined over the years. The last tool I wanted to buy (a stubby 3/8" ratchet handle) was in a locked rack. So I had to wait for over half an hour for the ONE slow-as-molasses, dim-witted salesperson in the tools dept. to finish helping the two people who were there before me. I've never tried HF hand tools before, but for the price and ease of online ordering, I'm going to give them a chance. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
