Re: [MBZ] Fwd: FYI - sensible Oz gun laws
I have a cousin who got nabbed for rape 2 or 3 times. His grandparents insist he's a good kid. His sister has 4 or 5 kids which are all wards of the state (she'd leave them home while she went out on a date for instance) but her grandparents insist she's a good mother. Needless to say we're not close with that branch of the family... -Curt Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 20:41:28 -0700 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: FYI - sensible Oz gun laws Message-ID: 20131219204128.e87b34ce642c40d8bcb19...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 17:07:04 -0500 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Relatives of the 19 year old told media that /he is a good kid/. I guess if he hasn't pointed a gun in your face, he's a good kid. But now that he has pointed a gun in someone's face and there is visible proof of that fact, his relatives need to realize he's not a good kid anymore. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Scott wrote: ...criminals can always obtain firearms, regardless of laws. You know the definition of stupid? Keep trying the same action expecting different outcome. Law against guns has failed, not hooch laws. We need to take the issue of guns in our hands - gov't of and by the people. We can generate ideas how to keep stupid guns out of stupid places. i.e. dont go to stupid places. limit our freedoms as a means of speaking that we do not like their freedoms. commerce can respond by not allowing their freedoms. Sure you will object, but we can make these things happen since we know laws won't happen and we know laws do not solve the situation. This is our land, this is our country - we need to do this since the top down systems can not make this happen. It has been done from the bottom up before, i.e. 235 years ago. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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my kid went to some mitt romney meets the kids thing and i wanted her to ask him if he could contrast the number of deaths per year from marijuana vs the number from tylenol and whether he could make any inferences from these relative numbers she wouldn't do it though On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Not all that many die from tylenol but I think its still a surprisingly large number. http://www.propublica.org/article/tylenol-mcneil-fda-behind-the-numbers -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:05:52 -0500 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: FYI - sensible Oz gun laws Message-ID: CACioK3umwzW2tV0=p7gvkrg36f4js4okonndghahszr5p1_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 and how many killed by tylenol? or shaolin kung fu? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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it's simply a mad society we live in. it won't last much longer when the chinese take over completely (if there is anything left worth taking over -- we might just be one giant detroit in 20 years), they will set us straight on such matters On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a cousin who got nabbed for rape 2 or 3 times. His grandparents insist he's a good kid. His sister has 4 or 5 kids which are all wards of the state (she'd leave them home while she went out on a date for instance) but her grandparents insist she's a good mother. Needless to say we're not close with that branch of the family... -Curt Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 20:41:28 -0700 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: FYI - sensible Oz gun laws Message-ID: 20131219204128.e87b34ce642c40d8bcb19...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 17:07:04 -0500 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Relatives of the 19 year old told media that /he is a good kid/. I guess if he hasn't pointed a gun in your face, he's a good kid. But now that he has pointed a gun in someone's face and there is visible proof of that fact, his relatives need to realize he's not a good kid anymore. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Dec 20, 2013 9:14 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: when the chinese take over completely (if there is anything left worth taking over -- we might just be one giant detroit in 20 years), they will set us straight on such matters You make it sound like this is desirable. I will go out fighting. I would rather die than live as a subject in a culture that has for 4,000 years taught that individual rights are literally a meaningless concept, and conformity and subservience to the state are the highest virtues. Unfortunately I fear you may be right; democracy is a flash in the pan, and the natural state of man is totalitarianism. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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it's not desirable but the collapse of america has already happened. someone will come and restore order. someone always does On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 1:03 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Dec 20, 2013 9:14 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: when the chinese take over completely (if there is anything left worth taking over -- we might just be one giant detroit in 20 years), they will set us straight on such matters You make it sound like this is desirable. I will go out fighting. I would rather die than live as a subject in a culture that has for 4,000 years taught that individual rights are literally a meaningless concept, and conformity and subservience to the state are the highest virtues. Unfortunately I fear you may be right; democracy is a flash in the pan, and the natural state of man is totalitarianism. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: FYI - sensible Oz gun laws Philip, today's code is uje0ajah
Scott Ritchey wrote: Here's a breakdown, somewhat dated (2001). I think the fireatm rate is now down to 50%. Rate Per Number 100,000 % of Total Firearms..16,8695.9.55.1 All Other Methods.13,7534.8.49.9 Hanging or Suffocation.6,1982.2.20.2 Poisoning..5,1911.8.17.0 Falls6510.2..2.1 Cutting / Piercing..4580.2..1.5 Drowning.3390.1..1.1 Fire.1470.1..0.5 Never underestimate human creativity. Notice that all other methods is a close second, far above #3. I can recall a Limey who rigged an electric chainsaw to completely decapitate himself. Hard to categorize something like that. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Here's a breakdown, somewhat dated (2001). I think the fireatm rate is now down to 50%. So where, in there, is cop? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, Trevonnte was not confronted by a cop on the bus, but after taking possessions from three people, a rider managed to disarm him by sticking his finger into the trigger guard, behind the trigger, to prevent Trevonnte from being able to fire the gun. Then this guy and some others beat the crap out of him. Trevonnte then smashed a cop car window after he was bundled up to go off for counseling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=qP6gGjuNRnc I am sorta wondering why the disarmer did not let Trevonnte have it with his own gun, but I guess this is a more orderly way to deal with it. Trevonnte did not notice that the bus was a gun-free zone. Relatives of the 19 year old told media that /he is a good kid/. --R On 12/19/13 10:36 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: Here's a breakdown, somewhat dated (2001). I think the fireatm rate is now down to 50%. So where, in there, is cop? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not all that many die from tylenol but I think its still a surprisingly large number. http://www.propublica.org/article/tylenol-mcneil-fda-behind-the-numbers -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:05:52 -0500 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: FYI - sensible Oz gun laws Message-ID: CACioK3umwzW2tV0=p7gvkrg36f4js4okonndghahszr5p1_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 and how many killed by tylenol? or shaolin kung fu? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 17:07:04 -0500 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Relatives of the 19 year old told media that /he is a good kid/. I guess if he hasn't pointed a gun in your face, he's a good kid. But now that he has pointed a gun in someone's face and there is visible proof of that fact, his relatives need to realize he's not a good kid anymore. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Dec 17, 2013 8:24 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I had a chance to put a full belt through a WW I water cooled BAR a few years ago, courtesy of Brownells. That wasn't a BAR--it's air-cooled and feeds from a box magazine. Maybe a Browning M1917? Alex yep. just trying to avoid the national insecurity word ges to po Don't need Lt Don'sbuddies hauling me away ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote: Legal full autos are actually licensed not unlike a car. Well, there are a lot of unlikes in there, for instance it hasn't been illegal to make new cars to sell since 1986, and you don't have to ask fedgov for permission to take possession of the used car you just bought and wait 6-30 months for the permission to come through. And you don't need to pay a $200 tax and go through that whole federal permission thing to put a muffler on your car. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And, how many people do cars kill vs. guns??? On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Legal full autos are actually licensed not unlike a car. Well, there are a lot of unlikes in there, for instance it hasn't been illegal to make new cars to sell since 1986, and you don't have to ask fedgov for permission to take possession of the used car you just bought and wait 6-30 months for the permission to come through. And you don't need to pay a $200 tax and go through that whole federal permission thing to put a muffler on your car. Mitch. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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and how many killed by tylenol? or shaolin kung fu? On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:03 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: And, how many people do cars kill vs. guns??? On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Legal full autos are actually licensed not unlike a car. Well, there are a lot of unlikes in there, for instance it hasn't been illegal to make new cars to sell since 1986, and you don't have to ask fedgov for permission to take possession of the used car you just bought and wait 6-30 months for the permission to come through. And you don't need to pay a $200 tax and go through that whole federal permission thing to put a muffler on your car. Mitch. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Cars and guns each kill about 30K persons annually in the US. But 20K of the gun deaths are suicides, who would presumably kill themselves some other way if a gun wasn't available. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 1:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: FYI - sensible Oz gun laws And, how many people do cars kill vs. guns??? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Like how? On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Cars and guns each kill about 30K persons annually in the US. But 20K of the gun deaths are suicides, who would presumably kill themselves some other way if a gun wasn't available. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 1:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: FYI - sensible Oz gun laws And, how many people do cars kill vs. guns??? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i think jumpers are popular. also popular are overdosers and those who hang themselves. there might be more but that is what i come up with offhand if no gun is available On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Like how? On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Cars and guns each kill about 30K persons annually in the US. But 20K of the gun deaths are suicides, who would presumably kill themselves some other way if a gun wasn't available. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 1:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: FYI - sensible Oz gun laws And, how many people do cars kill vs. guns??? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A coupla years ago a kid drove a Toada into a big oak tree up the road. The paper had some pics up for an hour or two, and it looked survivable -- air bags went off, the car was not that badly smashed. But I was told by my buddy the fire commissioner (trucks responded) that he drove straight into it, no seatbelt, high speed, to kill himself. Was sad, he was like 19. I think there are quite a few like that, you can sorta read between the lines of reports on crashes. --R On 12/18/13 6:11 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i think jumpers are popular. also popular are overdosers and those who hang themselves. there might be more but that is what i come up with offhand if no gun is available On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Like how? On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Cars and guns each kill about 30K persons annually in the US. But 20K of the gun deaths are suicides, who would presumably kill themselves some other way if a gun wasn't available. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 1:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: FYI - sensible Oz gun laws And, how many people do cars kill vs. guns??? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Like how? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7N7TDBceHY ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Cars and guns each kill about 30K persons annually in the US. But 20K of the gun deaths are suicides, who would presumably kill themselves some other way if a gun wasn't available. Often in a car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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How many of the other 10K are justifiable homicides? That would include self defense and justifiable shootings by law enforcement or civilian. Including those numbers in the 10K would not give an accurate picture of the social value vs. the social cost of firearms. The removal from society of someone killed in justifiable self defense or other justifiable homicide has not only saved the life of the shooter, but potentially saved some other lives in the future that could have been put at risk by the deceased. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:57 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: FYI - sensible Oz gun laws Cars and guns each kill about 30K persons annually in the US. But 20K of the gun deaths are suicides, who would presumably kill themselves some other way if a gun wasn't available. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 1:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: FYI - sensible Oz gun laws And, how many people do cars kill vs. guns??? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Greg wrote: The removal from society of someone... Lots of us need to be removed from society. Don't count on gov't. Let it happen. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It might help, but the greatest positive value of firearms is the prevention of death or injury when nobody is actually killed or injured. It's very difficult to quantify things that don't happen. Data I've seen indicates that guns prevent crimes between 1 and 5 times as often as they are used to commit crimes. The recent mall murder in NJ (or daily murders in any Mexican border town) show, yet again, that criminals can always obtain firearms, regardless of laws. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Greg Fiorentino Including those numbers in the 10K would not give an accurate picture of the social value vs. the social cost of firearms. ... Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Here's a breakdown, somewhat dated (2001). I think the fireatm rate is now down to 50%. Rate Per Number 100,000 % of Total Firearms..16,8695.9.55.1 All Other Methods.13,7534.8.49.9 Hanging or Suffocation.6,1982.2.20.2 Poisoning..5,1911.8.17.0 Falls6510.2..2.1 Cutting / Piercing..4580.2..1.5 Drowning.3390.1..1.1 Fire.1470.1..0.5 Two USAF officers I worked with committed suicide. One hanged himself and the other stabbed himself. Shooting may be the most common method, but certainly not the only way. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: FYI - sensible Oz gun laws Like how? On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Cars and guns each kill about 30K persons annually in the US. But 20K of the gun deaths are suicides, who would presumably kill themselves some other way if a gun wasn't available. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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semi-autos are not 'outlaws', however you need to have a very good reason to own one. And no, needing a semi-auto in case the king of England decides to invade is not a good enough reason. Actually thinking about it, you have lot have gun restrictions, far as I know you can't own a full auto rifle there. Hendrik who can go pistol shooting if he so wishes On 17/12/13 04:43, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: When I saw that oz outlaws semi auto rifles, that was enough for me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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An individual in the US can own a full auto with a proper permit. An individual can also own a full auto without a proper permit, but that would be improper. Converting various semis to full auto is a relatively simple procedure with the (im)proper part. --R On 12/17/13 5:19 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: semi-autos are not 'outlaws', however you need to have a very good reason to own one. And no, needing a semi-auto in case the king of England decides to invade is not a good enough reason. Actually thinking about it, you have lot have gun restrictions, far as I know you can't own a full auto rifle there. Hendrik who can go pistol shooting if he so wishes On 17/12/13 04:43, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: When I saw that oz outlaws semi auto rifles, that was enough for me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:49:18 +1030 Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: semi-autos are not 'outlaws', however you need to have a very good reason to own one. And no, needing a semi-auto in case the king of England decides to invade is not a good enough reason. Actually thinking about it, you have lot have gun restrictions, far as I know you can't own a full auto rifle there. Actually, one can in most States. One has to comply with Federal regulations. Some States, Washington being one, forbid such ownership. When my brother and I were cleaning up my father's estate in Oregon, he took me to a local store that had a firing range and that rented their Thompson sub-machine gun. We had a blast, but it was quite difficult being accurate firing more than two or three rounds at once. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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you miss the point with full autos. most of them cannot be made legal so the small number of legals ones out there are VERY expensive. you can be licensed to have one by paying the $300 tax stamp but you can't own one you can legally use without spending big bucks On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: An individual in the US can own a full auto with a proper permit. An individual can also own a full auto without a proper permit, but that would be improper. Converting various semis to full auto is a relatively simple procedure with the (im)proper part. --R On 12/17/13 5:19 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: semi-autos are not 'outlaws', however you need to have a very good reason to own one. And no, needing a semi-auto in case the king of England decides to invade is not a good enough reason. Actually thinking about it, you have lot have gun restrictions, far as I know you can't own a full auto rifle there. Hendrik who can go pistol shooting if he so wishes On 17/12/13 04:43, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: When I saw that oz outlaws semi auto rifles, that was enough for me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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tommy guns are pretty easy to handle on full auto. they are heavy and shoot a relatively weak round for a long gun. i've always like AKs best though, with their vicious barrel rise. cut someone in half in a hurry On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:49:18 +1030 Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: semi-autos are not 'outlaws', however you need to have a very good reason to own one. And no, needing a semi-auto in case the king of England decides to invade is not a good enough reason. Actually thinking about it, you have lot have gun restrictions, far as I know you can't own a full auto rifle there. Actually, one can in most States. One has to comply with Federal regulations. Some States, Washington being one, forbid such ownership. When my brother and I were cleaning up my father's estate in Oregon, he took me to a local store that had a firing range and that rented their Thompson sub-machine gun. We had a blast, but it was quite difficult being accurate firing more than two or three rounds at once. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I get the point but you miss the idea that someone might just own one that has, say, been in the family or something, for a long time. Legally of course. --R (not that I would have any specific knowledge of any such thing) On 12/17/13 6:18 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: you miss the point with full autos. most of them cannot be made legal so the small number of legals ones out there are VERY expensive. you can be licensed to have one by paying the $300 tax stamp but you can't own one you can legally use without spending big bucks On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: An individual in the US can own a full auto with a proper permit. An individual can also own a full auto without a proper permit, but that would be improper. Converting various semis to full auto is a relatively simple procedure with the (im)proper part. --R On 12/17/13 5:19 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: semi-autos are not 'outlaws', however you need to have a very good reason to own one. And no, needing a semi-auto in case the king of England decides to invade is not a good enough reason. Actually thinking about it, you have lot have gun restrictions, far as I know you can't own a full auto rifle there. Hendrik who can go pistol shooting if he so wishes On 17/12/13 04:43, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: When I saw that oz outlaws semi auto rifles, that was enough for me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i've always wanted to unload with a BAR On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I get the point but you miss the idea that someone might just own one that has, say, been in the family or something, for a long time. Legally of course. --R (not that I would have any specific knowledge of any such thing) On 12/17/13 6:18 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: you miss the point with full autos. most of them cannot be made legal so the small number of legals ones out there are VERY expensive. you can be licensed to have one by paying the $300 tax stamp but you can't own one you can legally use without spending big bucks On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: An individual in the US can own a full auto with a proper permit. An individual can also own a full auto without a proper permit, but that would be improper. Converting various semis to full auto is a relatively simple procedure with the (im)proper part. --R On 12/17/13 5:19 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: semi-autos are not 'outlaws', however you need to have a very good reason to own one. And no, needing a semi-auto in case the king of England decides to invade is not a good enough reason. Actually thinking about it, you have lot have gun restrictions, far as I know you can't own a full auto rifle there. Hendrik who can go pistol shooting if he so wishes On 17/12/13 04:43, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: When I saw that oz outlaws semi auto rifles, that was enough for me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA8I5ADd4Mk This just so Hendrik can enjoy what another group I belong to does about 4 times a year. Every weapon you see in the video is FULL AUTO and FULLY LICENSED to private citizens. The cheapest entry into this ownership is in the $5,000 dollar range.. the price only goes up from there. There are a couple of quad 50's that cost about $6,000 a minute to shoot, just for the ammo. It's not for the Faint of Wallet but it is one heck of a lot of fun. As you will see demonstrated, ownership of fully automatic weapons is perfectly legal in USA. It is carefully controlled, expensive, and requires demonstrating you are responsible member of society however. Grant... On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i've always wanted to unload with a BAR On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I get the point but you miss the idea that someone might just own one that has, say, been in the family or something, for a long time. Legally of course. --R (not that I would have any specific knowledge of any such thing) On 12/17/13 6:18 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: you miss the point with full autos. most of them cannot be made legal so the small number of legals ones out there are VERY expensive. you can be licensed to have one by paying the $300 tax stamp but you can't own one you can legally use without spending big bucks On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: An individual in the US can own a full auto with a proper permit. An individual can also own a full auto without a proper permit, but that would be improper. Converting various semis to full auto is a relatively simple procedure with the (im)proper part. --R On 12/17/13 5:19 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: semi-autos are not 'outlaws', however you need to have a very good reason to own one. And no, needing a semi-auto in case the king of England decides to invade is not a good enough reason. Actually thinking about it, you have lot have gun restrictions, far as I know you can't own a full auto rifle there. Hendrik who can go pistol shooting if he so wishes On 17/12/13 04:43, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: When I saw that oz outlaws semi auto rifles, that was enough for me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okXKlLF2lh0 A few more minutes of entertainment for Hendrik and anyone interested Grant On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:52 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA8I5ADd4Mk This just so Hendrik can enjoy what another group I belong to does about 4 times a year. Every weapon you see in the video is FULL AUTO and FULLY LICENSED to private citizens. The cheapest entry into this ownership is in the $5,000 dollar range.. the price only goes up from there. There are a couple of quad 50's that cost about $6,000 a minute to shoot, just for the ammo. It's not for the Faint of Wallet but it is one heck of a lot of fun. As you will see demonstrated, ownership of fully automatic weapons is perfectly legal in USA. It is carefully controlled, expensive, and requires demonstrating you are responsible member of society however. Grant... On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i've always wanted to unload with a BAR On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I get the point but you miss the idea that someone might just own one that has, say, been in the family or something, for a long time. Legally of course. --R (not that I would have any specific knowledge of any such thing) On 12/17/13 6:18 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: you miss the point with full autos. most of them cannot be made legal so the small number of legals ones out there are VERY expensive. you can be licensed to have one by paying the $300 tax stamp but you can't own one you can legally use without spending big bucks On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: An individual in the US can own a full auto with a proper permit. An individual can also own a full auto without a proper permit, but that would be improper. Converting various semis to full auto is a relatively simple procedure with the (im)proper part. --R On 12/17/13 5:19 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: semi-autos are not 'outlaws', however you need to have a very good reason to own one. And no, needing a semi-auto in case the king of England decides to invade is not a good enough reason. Actually thinking about it, you have lot have gun restrictions, far as I know you can't own a full auto rifle there. Hendrik who can go pistol shooting if he so wishes On 17/12/13 04:43, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: When I saw that oz outlaws semi auto rifles, that was enough for me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Grant wrote: A few more minutes of entertainment for Hendrik and anyone interested Craig - when you lived out there by Peyton, did you know Dragonman? Dragonman was the guy at the top of the hill on Hwy94 east of CSpgs, just east of the landfill and pick n pull. He did this type of gun thing from time to time. He would drive a rat patrol jeep after a car that was rigged to motor in a tight circle. The objective was to chase and shoot the car until it was killed/stopped. Dragonman had a front page writeup in WSJ in early '90's - interesting guy from NYC that moved to CSpgs. FBI would consult him. He died several years ago. He had a large gun shop out there in the moose pasture east of town. We were further east and then south at Drennan. Best water in the world was from 100 ft deep well in Black Squirrel alluvium. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Legal full autos are actually licensed not unlike a car. -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 17:59:56 -0500 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: FYI - sensible Oz gun laws Message-ID: 52b0d76c.7040...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed An individual in the US can own a full auto with a proper permit. An individual can also own a full auto without a proper permit, but that would be improper. Converting various semis to full auto is a relatively simple procedure with the (im)proper part. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Alluvium is a geologist's term. Are you of that ilk? On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Grant wrote: A few more minutes of entertainment for Hendrik and anyone interested Craig - when you lived out there by Peyton, did you know Dragonman? Dragonman was the guy at the top of the hill on Hwy94 east of CSpgs, just east of the landfill and pick n pull. He did this type of gun thing from time to time. He would drive a rat patrol jeep after a car that was rigged to motor in a tight circle. The objective was to chase and shoot the car until it was killed/stopped. Dragonman had a front page writeup in WSJ in early '90's - interesting guy from NYC that moved to CSpgs. FBI would consult him. He died several years ago. He had a large gun shop out there in the moose pasture east of town. We were further east and then south at Drennan. Best water in the world was from 100 ft deep well in Black Squirrel alluvium. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew wrote: Alluvium is a geologist's term. Are you of that ilk? Out west, it is hard not to be of that ilk. But rather than geology, the issue was water and water rights. It was shown that water was a better investment than gold. The biz that paid bills when I was employed intended to use water that had already been used once, use it again as a resource to irrigate land and crops. Waste is a resource out of place. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually thinking about it, you have lot have gun restrictions, far as I know you can't own a full auto rifle there. Not in Washington. Ten miles away, in Idaho, you can. However, a cannon is legal in WA, but not ID. Go figure. - Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA8I5ADd4Mk This just so Hendrik can enjoy what another group I belong to does about 4 times a year. Every weapon you see in the video is FULL AUTO and FULLY LICENSED to private citizens. The cheapest entry into this ownership is in the $5,000 dollar range.. the price only goes up from there. There are a couple of quad 50's that cost about $6,000 a minute to shoot, just for the ammo. It's not for the Faint of Wallet but it is one heck of a lot of fun. As you will see demonstrated, ownership of fully automatic weapons is perfectly legal in USA. It is carefully controlled, expensive, and requires demonstrating you are responsible member of society however. Grant... I had a chance to put a full belt through a WW I water cooled BAR a few years ago, courtesy of Brownells. The belt cost $70. It was a blast. Those mormons figured out how to off people efficiently. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Dec 17, 2013 8:24 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I had a chance to put a full belt through a WW I water cooled BAR a few years ago, courtesy of Brownells. That wasn't a BAR--it's air-cooled and feeds from a box magazine. Maybe a Browning M1917? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hendrik and Fay wrote: I take mild offence at your suggestion that our gun laws are nanny state. Sure we have a ship load of nanny rules but the gun ones are pretty sensible. I am not going to get into an argument about it, as the article pretty much sums up my feelings. Somebody actually AGREES with Rebecca Peters? Sorry, don't need that sort of discussion here, but in certain circles she's thought of as one of the planet's village idiots, sort of like a female Mike Bloomberg. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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At 7:13 AM -0500 12/16/13, Mitch Haley wrote: Somebody actually AGREES with Rebecca Peters? Sorry, don't need that sort of discussion here, but in certain circles she's thought of as one of the planet's village idiots, sort of like a female Mike Bloomberg. What I'd like is to see idiots like that strapped to chairs, high-powered headphones strapped to their heads, and the text of the Second Amendment alternating with the phrase WHAT PART OF 'SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED' DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?! blared non-stop into their ears, 24/7, until either they get the point or what few brain cells they have liquify under the strain... -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When I saw that oz outlaws semi auto rifles, that was enough for me. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2013, at 10:07 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: I take mild offence at your suggestion that our gun laws are nanny state. Sure we have a ship load of nanny rules but the gun ones are pretty sensible. I am not going to get into an argument about it, as the article pretty much sums up my feelings. Anyway Klebby better email that fella selling the panzer 140 and ask if the gun compartments will fit a desert eagle. Hendrik who does not own a firearm and does not feel the need to, however might if any halfwit could own one On 16/12/13 09:50, David Kristin Gilmore wrote: You think the USA has a nanny government? http://gu.com/p/3y6qkhttp://gu.com/p/3y6qk Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV We few, we happy few. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I take mild offence at your suggestion that our gun laws are nanny state. Sure we have a ship load of nanny rules but the gun ones are pretty sensible. I am not going to get into an argument about it, as the article pretty much sums up my feelings. Anyway Klebby better email that fella selling the panzer 140 and ask if the gun compartments will fit a desert eagle. Hendrik who does not own a firearm and does not feel the need to, however might if any halfwit could own one On 16/12/13 09:50, David Kristin Gilmore wrote: You think the USA has a nanny government? http://gu.com/p/3y6qkhttp://gu.com/p/3y6qk Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV We few, we happy few. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
