Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Kevin Slater]

Larry,

Was it a yellow, automatic? How many of that type could have been in
Richmond, Va. area? I didn't remember it as being the car of a of NASA guy,
but my brain (or what's left of it) isn't always spot on any longer. And I
do seem to remember your name. I'm sure I have some email about it
squirrelled away somewhere..

Kevin (dieseless since trading the 300TD for a work-in-progress 60's Vespa)
 On Sep 13, 2013 9:30 PM, "Larry T"  wrote:

> Hey Kevin - I think I suggested that car to the list - a friends daughter
> had gotten it as a hand me down.   My friend used to work at NASA and we
> met when Sailing from the same marina
>
> At least that sounds like the one...
>
> Larry
> On 9/13/2013 3:49 PM, Kevin Slater wrote:
>
>> Agreed it's phsycological, but in my case it ruined a working car. A nice
>> 240D at that. We rescued it from down around Richmond, VA. (Me and the son
>> that drove it the most.) It was a total mess. Hadn't run for years and was
>> parked under or near some pine trees. We put a good new battery in it and
>> got it to start and drove it to a car wash to get off as much crap as
>> humanly possible. Then we drove back up to my B-I-L's place in Northern VA
>> to rest up before the drive back to Pittsburgh. It was quite the
>> adventure.
>>
>> The story on the car was that it was purchased by a mail carrier after he
>> retired. He kept it up for a good number of years and passed it onto to
>> his
>> daughter. She drove it for 2 years and then parked it under some trees in
>> the next door neighbor's yard. I think we paid $500 for it. The tires were
>> either shot or dry rotted and it needed a new exhaust downpipe or header,
>> I
>> can't remember which. But it had good power climbing back up to Breezewood
>> from the PRM (People's Republic of Maryland). My wife was driving and I
>> told her to keep her foot in it to loosen up and blow out any carbon. She
>> listened well enough.
>> On Sep 12, 2013 2:21 AM, "clay"  wrote:
>>
>>  The need to get home has absolutely nothing to do with magic in the
>>> driveway.  It is the instinctive need to return to a safe place where you
>>> can call upon your tribe mates or just die in said safe place.  All
>>> psychology.  Same reason a man will crawl away after getting shot,
>>> knowing
>>> full well there is another bullet with his name on it that will complete
>>> his demise.
>>>
>>> clay
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Kevin Slater wrote:
>>>
>>>  I heard a Car Talk episode that discussed the feeling of "if I can just

>>> get
>>>
 home" as if there is some magic in your own driveway or garage. Where I

>>> had
>>>
 to leave the car was dangerous so after I made it back to my house I had

>>> to
>>>
 call a platform tow truck to get it back home. I had only paid $500 for

>>> it
>>>
 and it was mostly to give my oldest child a way to drive himself to /

>>> from
>>>
 High School.
 On Sep 8, 2013 8:48 PM, "Kevin Slater"  wrote:

  I seriously lament every week losing my 240D. Some guy came to buy it.
> I
> was pretty sure the diesel motor was shot. It died in a snow storm. I
>
 was
>>>
 pretty close to home and trying to make it back. The engine just went
>
 down
>>>
 to no power and then quit altogether. I figured it was something
>
 internal
>>>
 to the engine. The guy that bought didn't care. It was a mostly rust
>
 free
>>>
 and in general good shape.
> On Sep 4, 2013 10:42 PM, "Kevin Kraly"  wrote:
>
>  Just thought I would try to add some Mercedes content to the list.  In
>>
> a
>>>
 couple weeks, I'm going to start looking in earnest for my next rattly
>> Mercedes.  Will it be a W115 220D, 240D or 300D, W116 300SD, W123 240D
>>
> or
>>>
 300D sedan, coupe or wagon, turbo or NA, W124 1987 300D or a 1990-93
>>
> 300D
>>>
 2.5T, W126 SD or SDL?  I've even seen a couple W201's out there.  I
>>
> like
>>>
 the 300tD's, but they either seem to be priced way too high even with
>> issues, or the rear SLS is shot or removed completely.  I wouldn't
>>
> mind a
>>>
 300CD NA or the extra power of a Turbbo Diesel since I liked the two NA
>> models I owned. I'm looking for one that's enjoyable, not to
>>
> expensive, one
>>>
 without too much neglect, something to be the fun car.  Do you think I
>> have the "sickness?"  Seriously, any suggestions on what years/models
>>
> that
>>>
 aren't too pricy, lots of bang for the buck?
>>
>> Kevin, Mercedes Diesel-less in LaPorte, Colorado, moving back to
>> Hillsboro, Oregon next Friday
>>
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Larry T]

Hey Kevin - I think I suggested that car to the list - a friends 
daughter had gotten it as a hand me down.   My friend used to work at 
NASA and we met when Sailing from the same marina


At least that sounds like the one...

Larry
On 9/13/2013 3:49 PM, Kevin Slater wrote:

Agreed it's phsycological, but in my case it ruined a working car. A nice
240D at that. We rescued it from down around Richmond, VA. (Me and the son
that drove it the most.) It was a total mess. Hadn't run for years and was
parked under or near some pine trees. We put a good new battery in it and
got it to start and drove it to a car wash to get off as much crap as
humanly possible. Then we drove back up to my B-I-L's place in Northern VA
to rest up before the drive back to Pittsburgh. It was quite the adventure.

The story on the car was that it was purchased by a mail carrier after he
retired. He kept it up for a good number of years and passed it onto to his
daughter. She drove it for 2 years and then parked it under some trees in
the next door neighbor's yard. I think we paid $500 for it. The tires were
either shot or dry rotted and it needed a new exhaust downpipe or header, I
can't remember which. But it had good power climbing back up to Breezewood
from the PRM (People's Republic of Maryland). My wife was driving and I
told her to keep her foot in it to loosen up and blow out any carbon. She
listened well enough.
On Sep 12, 2013 2:21 AM, "clay"  wrote:


The need to get home has absolutely nothing to do with magic in the
driveway.  It is the instinctive need to return to a safe place where you
can call upon your tribe mates or just die in said safe place.  All
psychology.  Same reason a man will crawl away after getting shot, knowing
full well there is another bullet with his name on it that will complete
his demise.

clay


On Sep 8, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Kevin Slater wrote:


I heard a Car Talk episode that discussed the feeling of "if I can just

get

home" as if there is some magic in your own driveway or garage. Where I

had

to leave the car was dangerous so after I made it back to my house I had

to

call a platform tow truck to get it back home. I had only paid $500 for

it

and it was mostly to give my oldest child a way to drive himself to /

from

High School.
On Sep 8, 2013 8:48 PM, "Kevin Slater"  wrote:


I seriously lament every week losing my 240D. Some guy came to buy it. I
was pretty sure the diesel motor was shot. It died in a snow storm. I

was

pretty close to home and trying to make it back. The engine just went

down

to no power and then quit altogether. I figured it was something

internal

to the engine. The guy that bought didn't care. It was a mostly rust

free

and in general good shape.
On Sep 4, 2013 10:42 PM, "Kevin Kraly"  wrote:


Just thought I would try to add some Mercedes content to the list.  In

a

couple weeks, I'm going to start looking in earnest for my next rattly
Mercedes.  Will it be a W115 220D, 240D or 300D, W116 300SD, W123 240D

or

300D sedan, coupe or wagon, turbo or NA, W124 1987 300D or a 1990-93

300D

2.5T, W126 SD or SDL?  I've even seen a couple W201's out there.  I

like

the 300tD's, but they either seem to be priced way too high even with
issues, or the rear SLS is shot or removed completely.  I wouldn't

mind a

300CD NA or the extra power of a Turbbo Diesel since I liked the two NA
models I owned. I'm looking for one that's enjoyable, not to

expensive, one

without too much neglect, something to be the fun car.  Do you think I
have the "sickness?"  Seriously, any suggestions on what years/models

that

aren't too pricy, lots of bang for the buck?

Kevin, Mercedes Diesel-less in LaPorte, Colorado, moving back to
Hillsboro, Oregon next Friday

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Kevin Slater]

Agreed it's phsycological, but in my case it ruined a working car. A nice
240D at that. We rescued it from down around Richmond, VA. (Me and the son
that drove it the most.) It was a total mess. Hadn't run for years and was
parked under or near some pine trees. We put a good new battery in it and
got it to start and drove it to a car wash to get off as much crap as
humanly possible. Then we drove back up to my B-I-L's place in Northern VA
to rest up before the drive back to Pittsburgh. It was quite the adventure.

The story on the car was that it was purchased by a mail carrier after he
retired. He kept it up for a good number of years and passed it onto to his
daughter. She drove it for 2 years and then parked it under some trees in
the next door neighbor's yard. I think we paid $500 for it. The tires were
either shot or dry rotted and it needed a new exhaust downpipe or header, I
can't remember which. But it had good power climbing back up to Breezewood
from the PRM (People's Republic of Maryland). My wife was driving and I
told her to keep her foot in it to loosen up and blow out any carbon. She
listened well enough.
On Sep 12, 2013 2:21 AM, "clay"  wrote:

> The need to get home has absolutely nothing to do with magic in the
> driveway.  It is the instinctive need to return to a safe place where you
> can call upon your tribe mates or just die in said safe place.  All
> psychology.  Same reason a man will crawl away after getting shot, knowing
> full well there is another bullet with his name on it that will complete
> his demise.
>
> clay
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Kevin Slater wrote:
>
> > I heard a Car Talk episode that discussed the feeling of "if I can just
> get
> > home" as if there is some magic in your own driveway or garage. Where I
> had
> > to leave the car was dangerous so after I made it back to my house I had
> to
> > call a platform tow truck to get it back home. I had only paid $500 for
> it
> > and it was mostly to give my oldest child a way to drive himself to /
> from
> > High School.
> > On Sep 8, 2013 8:48 PM, "Kevin Slater"  wrote:
> >
> >> I seriously lament every week losing my 240D. Some guy came to buy it. I
> >> was pretty sure the diesel motor was shot. It died in a snow storm. I
> was
> >> pretty close to home and trying to make it back. The engine just went
> down
> >> to no power and then quit altogether. I figured it was something
> internal
> >> to the engine. The guy that bought didn't care. It was a mostly rust
> free
> >> and in general good shape.
> >> On Sep 4, 2013 10:42 PM, "Kevin Kraly"  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just thought I would try to add some Mercedes content to the list.  In
> a
> >>> couple weeks, I'm going to start looking in earnest for my next rattly
> >>> Mercedes.  Will it be a W115 220D, 240D or 300D, W116 300SD, W123 240D
> or
> >>> 300D sedan, coupe or wagon, turbo or NA, W124 1987 300D or a 1990-93
> 300D
> >>> 2.5T, W126 SD or SDL?  I've even seen a couple W201's out there.  I
> like
> >>> the 300tD's, but they either seem to be priced way too high even with
> >>> issues, or the rear SLS is shot or removed completely.  I wouldn't
> mind a
> >>> 300CD NA or the extra power of a Turbbo Diesel since I liked the two NA
> >>> models I owned. I'm looking for one that's enjoyable, not to
> expensive, one
> >>> without too much neglect, something to be the fun car.  Do you think I
> >>> have the "sickness?"  Seriously, any suggestions on what years/models
> that
> >>> aren't too pricy, lots of bang for the buck?
> >>>
> >>> Kevin, Mercedes Diesel-less in LaPorte, Colorado, moving back to
> >>> Hillsboro, Oregon next Friday
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[OK Don]

Yup!


On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>
>
> Anyone else think immediately of fuel gelling?
>
> -- Jim
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[dseretakis]

Good point.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2013, at 11:56 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

>> It died in a snow storm...The engine just went down to no power and then 
>> quit altogether.
> 
> Anyone else think immediately of fuel gelling?
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Jim Cathey]

It died in a snow storm...The engine just went down to no power and 
then quit altogether.


Anyone else think immediately of fuel gelling?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Curt Raymond]

I expect any of the non-turbo models to be good in that regard. The only thing 
about a TD is that theres lots of space in the back for chillens to work on 
making more chillens.

Theres one across the street, he's maybe 14 or 15 now and his girlfriend comes 
over pretty much every day. I predict she'll be pregnant by the end of next 
year. His grandfather (man of the house) thinks I'm a rotten scoundrel for 
making such assertions but I've seen them together when he's not around. If 
they're not doing the horizontal mambo yet they will soon.
Meanwhile the youngest daughter of the house (male boy is a grandson) is 
pregnant and smokes like a chimney... *Sigh*

-Curt

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:36:34 -0400
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The 79 TD was also excellent in that respect for the two chirruns.

--R


On 9/12/13 2:54 AM, clay wrote:
> This was the same thought process I had in acquiring Gump.  IT was built like 
> a tank, drove a little better than a tank, and would require the operator to 
> think much further ahead because they had a good long time to cogitate while 
> it got to a speed where trouble could be encountered.  This was proven to be 
> solid thinking when #1 child took the E300D from a dead stop to a 270* spin 
> within 20 feet.  There is no way in creation that could have taken place in a 
> w115 with a OM615
>
> clay
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Kevin Slater]

OK Don,

I couldn'r
On Sep 11, 2013 10:09 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:

> Our youngest two kids learned to drive in a 240D (passed down from their
> great-grandfather), and drove it through highschool. I think it's the
> perfect car for a new driver, not too fast (harder to get into
> speed/acceleration related trouble) and very safe.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Kevin Slater  >wrote:
>
> > I heard a Car Talk episode that discussed the feeling of "if I can just
> get
> > home" as if there is some magic in your own driveway or garage. Where I
> had
> > to leave the car was dangerous so after I made it back to my house I had
> to
> > call a platform tow truck to get it back home. I had only paid $500 for
> it
> > and it was mostly to give my oldest child a way to drive himself to /
> from
> > High School.
> > On Sep 8, 2013 8:48 PM, "Kevin Slater"  wrote:
> >
> > > I seriously lament every week losing my 240D. Some guy came to buy it.
> I
> > > was pretty sure the diesel motor was shot. It died in a snow storm. I
> was
> > > pretty close to home and trying to make it back. The engine just went
> > down
> > > to no power and then quit altogether. I figured it was something
> internal
> > > to the engine. The guy that bought didn't care. It was a mostly rust
> free
> > > and in general good shape.
> > > On Sep 4, 2013 10:42 PM, "Kevin Kraly"  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Just thought I would try to add some Mercedes content to the list.
>  In a
> > >> couple weeks, I'm going to start looking in earnest for my next rattly
> > >> Mercedes.  Will it be a W115 220D, 240D or 300D, W116 300SD, W123 240D
> > or
> > >> 300D sedan, coupe or wagon, turbo or NA, W124 1987 300D or a 1990-93
> > 300D
> > >> 2.5T, W126 SD or SDL?  I've even seen a couple W201's out there.  I
> like
> > >> the 300tD's, but they either seem to be priced way too high even with
> > >> issues, or the rear SLS is shot or removed completely.  I wouldn't
> mind
> > a
> > >> 300CD NA or the extra power of a Turbbo Diesel since I liked the two
> NA
> > >> models I owned. I'm looking for one that's enjoyable, not to
> expensive,
> > one
> > >>  without too much neglect, something to be the fun car.  Do you think
> I
> > >> have the "sickness?"  Seriously, any suggestions on what years/models
> > that
> > >> aren't too pricy, lots of bang for the buck?
> > >>
> > >> Kevin, Mercedes Diesel-less in LaPorte, Colorado, moving back to
> > >> Hillsboro, Oregon next Friday
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Kevin Slater]

OK
On Sep 11, 2013 10:09 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:

> Our youngest two kids learned to drive in a 240D (passed down from their
> great-grandfather), and drove it through highschool. I think it's the
> perfect car for a new driver, not too fast (harder to get into
> speed/acceleration related trouble) and very safe.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Kevin Slater  >wrote:
>
> > I heard a Car Talk episode that discussed the feeling of "if I can just
> get
> > home" as if there is some magic in your own driveway or garage. Where I
> had
> > to leave the car was dangerous so after I made it back to my house I had
> to
> > call a platform tow truck to get it back home. I had only paid $500 for
> it
> > and it was mostly to give my oldest child a way to drive himself to /
> from
> > High School.
> > On Sep 8, 2013 8:48 PM, "Kevin Slater"  wrote:
> >
> > > I seriously lament every week losing my 240D. Some guy came to buy it.
> I
> > > was pretty sure the diesel motor was shot. It died in a snow storm. I
> was
> > > pretty close to home and trying to make it back. The engine just went
> > down
> > > to no power and then quit altogether. I figured it was something
> internal
> > > to the engine. The guy that bought didn't care. It was a mostly rust
> free
> > > and in general good shape.
> > > On Sep 4, 2013 10:42 PM, "Kevin Kraly"  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Just thought I would try to add some Mercedes content to the list.
>  In a
> > >> couple weeks, I'm going to start looking in earnest for my next rattly
> > >> Mercedes.  Will it be a W115 220D, 240D or 300D, W116 300SD, W123 240D
> > or
> > >> 300D sedan, coupe or wagon, turbo or NA, W124 1987 300D or a 1990-93
> > 300D
> > >> 2.5T, W126 SD or SDL?  I've even seen a couple W201's out there.  I
> like
> > >> the 300tD's, but they either seem to be priced way too high even with
> > >> issues, or the rear SLS is shot or removed completely.  I wouldn't
> mind
> > a
> > >> 300CD NA or the extra power of a Turbbo Diesel since I liked the two
> NA
> > >> models I owned. I'm looking for one that's enjoyable, not to
> expensive,
> > one
> > >>  without too much neglect, something to be the fun car.  Do you think
> I
> > >> have the "sickness?"  Seriously, any suggestions on what years/models
> > that
> > >> aren't too pricy, lots of bang for the buck?
> > >>
> > >> Kevin, Mercedes Diesel-less in LaPorte, Colorado, moving back to
> > >> Hillsboro, Oregon next Friday
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Rich Thomas]

The 79 TD was also excellent in that respect for the two chirruns.

--R


On 9/12/13 2:54 AM, clay wrote:

This was the same thought process I had in acquiring Gump.  IT was built like a 
tank, drove a little better than a tank, and would require the operator to 
think much further ahead because they had a good long time to cogitate while it 
got to a speed where trouble could be encountered.  This was proven to be solid 
thinking when #1 child took the E300D from a dead stop to a 270* spin within 20 
feet.  There is no way in creation that could have taken place in a w115 with a 
OM615

clay



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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[clay]

This was the same thought process I had in acquiring Gump.  IT was built like a 
tank, drove a little better than a tank, and would require the operator to 
think much further ahead because they had a good long time to cogitate while it 
got to a speed where trouble could be encountered.  This was proven to be solid 
thinking when #1 child took the E300D from a dead stop to a 270* spin within 20 
feet.  There is no way in creation that could have taken place in a w115 with a 
OM615

clay


On Sep 11, 2013, at 7:09 PM, OK Don wrote:

> Our youngest two kids learned to drive in a 240D (passed down from their
> great-grandfather), and drove it through highschool. I think it's the
> perfect car for a new driver, not too fast (harder to get into
> speed/acceleration related trouble) and very safe.
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Kevin Slater wrote:
> 
>> I heard a Car Talk episode that discussed the feeling of "if I can just get
>> home" as if there is some magic in your own driveway or garage. Where I had
>> to leave the car was dangerous so after I made it back to my house I had to
>> call a platform tow truck to get it back home. I had only paid $500 for it
>> and it was mostly to give my oldest child a way to drive himself to / from
>> High School.
>> On Sep 8, 2013 8:48 PM, "Kevin Slater"  wrote:
>> 
>>> I seriously lament every week losing my 240D. Some guy came to buy it. I
>>> was pretty sure the diesel motor was shot. It died in a snow storm. I was
>>> pretty close to home and trying to make it back. The engine just went
>> down
>>> to no power and then quit altogether. I figured it was something internal
>>> to the engine. The guy that bought didn't care. It was a mostly rust free
>>> and in general good shape.
>>> On Sep 4, 2013 10:42 PM, "Kevin Kraly"  wrote:
>>> 
 Just thought I would try to add some Mercedes content to the list.  In a
 couple weeks, I'm going to start looking in earnest for my next rattly
 Mercedes.  Will it be a W115 220D, 240D or 300D, W116 300SD, W123 240D
>> or
 300D sedan, coupe or wagon, turbo or NA, W124 1987 300D or a 1990-93
>> 300D
 2.5T, W126 SD or SDL?  I've even seen a couple W201's out there.  I like
 the 300tD's, but they either seem to be priced way too high even with
 issues, or the rear SLS is shot or removed completely.  I wouldn't mind
>> a
 300CD NA or the extra power of a Turbbo Diesel since I liked the two NA
 models I owned. I'm looking for one that's enjoyable, not to expensive,
>> one
 without too much neglect, something to be the fun car.  Do you think I
 have the "sickness?"  Seriously, any suggestions on what years/models
>> that
 aren't too pricy, lots of bang for the buck?
 
 Kevin, Mercedes Diesel-less in LaPorte, Colorado, moving back to
 Hillsboro, Oregon next Friday 


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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[clay]

The need to get home has absolutely nothing to do with magic in the driveway.  
It is the instinctive need to return to a safe place where you can call upon 
your tribe mates or just die in said safe place.  All psychology.  Same reason 
a man will crawl away after getting shot, knowing full well there is another 
bullet with his name on it that will complete his demise.

clay


On Sep 8, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Kevin Slater wrote:

> I heard a Car Talk episode that discussed the feeling of "if I can just get
> home" as if there is some magic in your own driveway or garage. Where I had
> to leave the car was dangerous so after I made it back to my house I had to
> call a platform tow truck to get it back home. I had only paid $500 for it
> and it was mostly to give my oldest child a way to drive himself to / from
> High School.
> On Sep 8, 2013 8:48 PM, "Kevin Slater"  wrote:
> 
>> I seriously lament every week losing my 240D. Some guy came to buy it. I
>> was pretty sure the diesel motor was shot. It died in a snow storm. I was
>> pretty close to home and trying to make it back. The engine just went down
>> to no power and then quit altogether. I figured it was something internal
>> to the engine. The guy that bought didn't care. It was a mostly rust free
>> and in general good shape.
>> On Sep 4, 2013 10:42 PM, "Kevin Kraly"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Just thought I would try to add some Mercedes content to the list.  In a
>>> couple weeks, I'm going to start looking in earnest for my next rattly
>>> Mercedes.  Will it be a W115 220D, 240D or 300D, W116 300SD, W123 240D or
>>> 300D sedan, coupe or wagon, turbo or NA, W124 1987 300D or a 1990-93 300D
>>> 2.5T, W126 SD or SDL?  I've even seen a couple W201's out there.  I like
>>> the 300tD's, but they either seem to be priced way too high even with
>>> issues, or the rear SLS is shot or removed completely.  I wouldn't mind a
>>> 300CD NA or the extra power of a Turbbo Diesel since I liked the two NA
>>> models I owned. I'm looking for one that's enjoyable, not to expensive, one
>>> without too much neglect, something to be the fun car.  Do you think I
>>> have the "sickness?"  Seriously, any suggestions on what years/models that
>>> aren't too pricy, lots of bang for the buck?
>>> 
>>> Kevin, Mercedes Diesel-less in LaPorte, Colorado, moving back to
>>> Hillsboro, Oregon next Friday
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[OK Don]

Our youngest two kids learned to drive in a 240D (passed down from their
great-grandfather), and drove it through highschool. I think it's the
perfect car for a new driver, not too fast (harder to get into
speed/acceleration related trouble) and very safe.


On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Kevin Slater wrote:

> I heard a Car Talk episode that discussed the feeling of "if I can just get
> home" as if there is some magic in your own driveway or garage. Where I had
> to leave the car was dangerous so after I made it back to my house I had to
> call a platform tow truck to get it back home. I had only paid $500 for it
> and it was mostly to give my oldest child a way to drive himself to / from
> High School.
> On Sep 8, 2013 8:48 PM, "Kevin Slater"  wrote:
>
> > I seriously lament every week losing my 240D. Some guy came to buy it. I
> > was pretty sure the diesel motor was shot. It died in a snow storm. I was
> > pretty close to home and trying to make it back. The engine just went
> down
> > to no power and then quit altogether. I figured it was something internal
> > to the engine. The guy that bought didn't care. It was a mostly rust free
> > and in general good shape.
> > On Sep 4, 2013 10:42 PM, "Kevin Kraly"  wrote:
> >
> >> Just thought I would try to add some Mercedes content to the list.  In a
> >> couple weeks, I'm going to start looking in earnest for my next rattly
> >> Mercedes.  Will it be a W115 220D, 240D or 300D, W116 300SD, W123 240D
> or
> >> 300D sedan, coupe or wagon, turbo or NA, W124 1987 300D or a 1990-93
> 300D
> >> 2.5T, W126 SD or SDL?  I've even seen a couple W201's out there.  I like
> >> the 300tD's, but they either seem to be priced way too high even with
> >> issues, or the rear SLS is shot or removed completely.  I wouldn't mind
> a
> >> 300CD NA or the extra power of a Turbbo Diesel since I liked the two NA
> >> models I owned. I'm looking for one that's enjoyable, not to expensive,
> one
> >>  without too much neglect, something to be the fun car.  Do you think I
> >> have the "sickness?"  Seriously, any suggestions on what years/models
> that
> >> aren't too pricy, lots of bang for the buck?
> >>
> >> Kevin, Mercedes Diesel-less in LaPorte, Colorado, moving back to
> >> Hillsboro, Oregon next Friday
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Kevin Slater]

I heard a Car Talk episode that discussed the feeling of "if I can just get
home" as if there is some magic in your own driveway or garage. Where I had
to leave the car was dangerous so after I made it back to my house I had to
call a platform tow truck to get it back home. I had only paid $500 for it
and it was mostly to give my oldest child a way to drive himself to / from
High School.
On Sep 8, 2013 8:48 PM, "Kevin Slater"  wrote:

> I seriously lament every week losing my 240D. Some guy came to buy it. I
> was pretty sure the diesel motor was shot. It died in a snow storm. I was
> pretty close to home and trying to make it back. The engine just went down
> to no power and then quit altogether. I figured it was something internal
> to the engine. The guy that bought didn't care. It was a mostly rust free
> and in general good shape.
> On Sep 4, 2013 10:42 PM, "Kevin Kraly"  wrote:
>
>> Just thought I would try to add some Mercedes content to the list.  In a
>> couple weeks, I'm going to start looking in earnest for my next rattly
>> Mercedes.  Will it be a W115 220D, 240D or 300D, W116 300SD, W123 240D or
>> 300D sedan, coupe or wagon, turbo or NA, W124 1987 300D or a 1990-93 300D
>> 2.5T, W126 SD or SDL?  I've even seen a couple W201's out there.  I like
>> the 300tD's, but they either seem to be priced way too high even with
>> issues, or the rear SLS is shot or removed completely.  I wouldn't mind a
>> 300CD NA or the extra power of a Turbbo Diesel since I liked the two NA
>> models I owned. I'm looking for one that's enjoyable, not to expensive, one
>>  without too much neglect, something to be the fun car.  Do you think I
>> have the "sickness?"  Seriously, any suggestions on what years/models that
>> aren't too pricy, lots of bang for the buck?
>>
>> Kevin, Mercedes Diesel-less in LaPorte, Colorado, moving back to
>> Hillsboro, Oregon next Friday
>>
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Kevin Slater]

I seriously lament every week losing my 240D. Some guy came to buy it. I
was pretty sure the diesel motor was shot. It died in a snow storm. I was
pretty close to home and trying to make it back. The engine just went down
to no power and then quit altogether. I figured it was something internal
to the engine. The guy that bought didn't care. It was a mostly rust free
and in general good shape.
On Sep 4, 2013 10:42 PM, "Kevin Kraly"  wrote:

> Just thought I would try to add some Mercedes content to the list.  In a
> couple weeks, I'm going to start looking in earnest for my next rattly
> Mercedes.  Will it be a W115 220D, 240D or 300D, W116 300SD, W123 240D or
> 300D sedan, coupe or wagon, turbo or NA, W124 1987 300D or a 1990-93 300D
> 2.5T, W126 SD or SDL?  I've even seen a couple W201's out there.  I like
> the 300tD's, but they either seem to be priced way too high even with
> issues, or the rear SLS is shot or removed completely.  I wouldn't mind a
> 300CD NA or the extra power of a Turbbo Diesel since I liked the two NA
> models I owned. I'm looking for one that's enjoyable, not to expensive, one
>  without too much neglect, something to be the fun car.  Do you think I
> have the "sickness?"  Seriously, any suggestions on what years/models that
> aren't too pricy, lots of bang for the buck?
>
> Kevin, Mercedes Diesel-less in LaPorte, Colorado, moving back to
> Hillsboro, Oregon next Friday
>
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Jaime Kopchinski]

I have no idea, but I'm sure you could just call a dealer and find out.

On Monday, September 9, 2013, Mitch Haley wrote:

> Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
>
>> You can still get genuine body parts from MB for the W124...
>>
>
> Do they have 90-93 300D right fenders?
> Last I knew, they didn't have 190D turbo right fenders.
>
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sep 9, 2013 7:43 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
>
> Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
>>
>> You can still get genuine body parts from MB for the W124...
>
>
> Do they have 90-93 300D right fenders?

Aw, just get a regular one and cut the slots with a Sawzall.

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Mitch Haley]

Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
You can still get genuine body parts from MB for the W124... 


Do they have 90-93 300D right fenders?
Last I knew, they didn't have 190D turbo right fenders.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Dwight Giles]

My body shop just got two new front fenders for my 300CD from MB.. Rusty
had said earlier  he could still get them.  now I have to find sunroof
cable & tube for it.
On Sep 9, 2013 8:45 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski"  wrote:

> You can still get genuine body parts from MB for the W124... I bought a
> hood and fender for mine at one point.  W123 too, last time I looked... I
> need a fender for my 83 300D.  I really have to get around to ordering
> that.
>
> Jaime
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:36 PM, clay  wrote:
>
> > Make what?  The part or the car?
> >
> > Right now, the prime owner does not give a rip, as he will be rid of the
> > car long before it craps out.  The second owner, who will have purchased,
> > not leased the car, will be footing a large repair and replacement bill
> to
> > keep the car going.
> >
> > SWMBA purchased a 95 civic from the dealer in 97.  Just back from lease,
> > no problems with the car.  Dang well should not have any on a two year
> old
> > car.  Drove it for five years and in that time things took to
> > deteriorating.  Nothing big, just aging out and wearing down.  She sold
> it
> > after purchasing the E300 as an eight year old car.  The repairs to that
> > car filled a folder before we bought.  We added significantly to the
> folder
> > in the next ten years.  I think we paid as much to repair, as we did to
> > purchase over that decade.
> >
> > There are a number of low quality aftermarket parts to keep the car
> going.
> >  Trying to get a quality body repair is nigh impossible, as there are no
> OE
> > parts.  Aftermarket is dirt cheap and garbage that does not fit, so your
> > labor cost to modify to fit is plain waste.
> >
> > clay
> >
> > On Sep 7, 2013, at 6:24 AM, MG wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah but who is going to make them.
> > >
> > > Manfred
> > >
> > > Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 20:46:02 -0400
> > > From: "Scott Ritchey" 
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe MBUSA needs to rethink this?  In my mind, the Mercedes reputation
> > for
> > > longevity and parts availability was a big part of what made them
> > special.
> > > If Mercedes plans to become just another ordinary car but at twice the
> > > price, I think their business model needs work.
> > >
> > > Scott
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Jaime Kopchinski]

You can still get genuine body parts from MB for the W124... I bought a
hood and fender for mine at one point.  W123 too, last time I looked... I
need a fender for my 83 300D.  I really have to get around to ordering that.

Jaime



On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:36 PM, clay  wrote:

> Make what?  The part or the car?
>
> Right now, the prime owner does not give a rip, as he will be rid of the
> car long before it craps out.  The second owner, who will have purchased,
> not leased the car, will be footing a large repair and replacement bill to
> keep the car going.
>
> SWMBA purchased a 95 civic from the dealer in 97.  Just back from lease,
> no problems with the car.  Dang well should not have any on a two year old
> car.  Drove it for five years and in that time things took to
> deteriorating.  Nothing big, just aging out and wearing down.  She sold it
> after purchasing the E300 as an eight year old car.  The repairs to that
> car filled a folder before we bought.  We added significantly to the folder
> in the next ten years.  I think we paid as much to repair, as we did to
> purchase over that decade.
>
> There are a number of low quality aftermarket parts to keep the car going.
>  Trying to get a quality body repair is nigh impossible, as there are no OE
> parts.  Aftermarket is dirt cheap and garbage that does not fit, so your
> labor cost to modify to fit is plain waste.
>
> clay
>
> On Sep 7, 2013, at 6:24 AM, MG wrote:
>
> > Yeah but who is going to make them.
> >
> > Manfred
> >
> > Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 20:46:02 -0400
> > From: "Scott Ritchey" 
> >
> >
> > Maybe MBUSA needs to rethink this?  In my mind, the Mercedes reputation
> for
> > longevity and parts availability was a big part of what made them
> special.
> > If Mercedes plans to become just another ordinary car but at twice the
> > price, I think their business model needs work.
> >
> > Scott
> >
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Curt Raymond]

I was pondering the other day what kind of person would lease a pickup truck, I 
saw a commercial that had some great deal, cheap, cheap.
Its gotta be the wanna-bes. I can't imagine what the buyout cost would be if 
you showed up with a truck that had really been worked for 3 years...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 19:35:32 -0400
From: Larry T 
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I might be wrong, but IMO many of the new MBs we see on the road are 
leasevehicles which will be turned in at the end of 3 or 4 years.  I 
think many people look at monthly payments and nothing else - and often 
get screwed because their eyes glaze over when the salesman gives them 
the required disclosure of the vehicles value when the lease is up.  
That's when they learn they are on the hook for thousands of $$s to the 
lease company!  Ka-Ching! -- more money to the finance company!

I hadn't heard MGs comments about the MB Classic Centers becoming more 
selective in what vehicles they consider Classic!  at one time I saw a 
advert saying something about "always being able to get parts for 
all/any model MB - no matter the age" - or something to that effect.    
It is very sad to hear the 123 and 124 will not have a long-term part 
supply through MB.  they helped me when I needed a small grommet on the 
AT control rod for the W123.

I hope someone steps up and fills the space!

Larryt
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Dan Penoff]

Uh, yeah, like a $7,000 brake booster for a Ponton?  I'm sure they'll be making 
plenty of those

Dan


On Sep 9, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Larry T wrote:

> I might be wrong, but IMO many of the new MBs we see on the road are 
> leasevehicles which will be turned in at the end of 3 or 4 years.  I think 
> many people look at monthly payments and nothing else - and often get screwed 
> because their eyes glaze over when the salesman gives them the required 
> disclosure of the vehicles value when the lease is up.  That's when they 
> learn they are on the hook for thousands of $$s to the lease company!  
> Ka-Ching! -- more money to the finance company!
> 
> I hadn't heard MGs comments about the MB Classic Centers becoming more 
> selective in what vehicles they consider Classic!  at one time I saw a advert 
> saying something about "always being able to get parts for all/any model MB - 
> no matter the age" - or something to that effect.It is very sad to hear 
> the 123 and 124 will not have a long-term part supply through MB.  they 
> helped me when I needed a small grommet on the AT control rod for the W123.
> 
> I hope someone steps up and fills the space!
> 
> Larryt
> 


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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Larry T]

I might be wrong, but IMO many of the new MBs we see on the road are 
leasevehicles which will be turned in at the end of 3 or 4 years.  I 
think many people look at monthly payments and nothing else - and often 
get screwed because their eyes glaze over when the salesman gives them 
the required disclosure of the vehicles value when the lease is up.  
That's when they learn they are on the hook for thousands of $$s to the 
lease company!  Ka-Ching! -- more money to the finance company!


I hadn't heard MGs comments about the MB Classic Centers becoming more 
selective in what vehicles they consider Classic!  at one time I saw a 
advert saying something about "always being able to get parts for 
all/any model MB - no matter the age" - or something to that effect.
It is very sad to hear the 123 and 124 will not have a long-term part 
supply through MB.  they helped me when I needed a small grommet on the 
AT control rod for the W123.


I hope someone steps up and fills the space!

Larryt

On 9/7/2013 9:39 AM, MG wrote:
No. I think the plan is that there is no sense in stocking parts if 
the people will then have to buy new cars when they can't keep the old 
ones in good order. They probably learned that from the American auto 
companies. MB probably doesn't realize that they would have to lower 
the prices a lot to get more sales. They haven't figured out yet that 
they would sell more parts if they didn't charge 3 or 4 times list.


Manfred

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 21:32:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: m...@voyager.net

So there's no point in stocking parts because there are so many cars that
need the parts?
Makes as much sense as the mayor of Stuttgart wanting to ban motor
vehicles two days a week.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel parts NLA

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sep 8, 2013 9:40 PM, "Hendrik and Fay"  wrote:
>.
> Guess it's all part of the shift from
> being a maker of fine auto mobiles to
> being a supplier of plastic junk to
> feed someones ego.

That happened in 1993, when the last 124 badged 300E (not E320) rolled off
the line.

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel parts NLA

[Hendrik and Fay]

I seem to remember a couple of years ago reading that Daimler was trying 
to stop businesses in the EU from selling genuine Merc parts, can't 
remember the exact details but if they won't let others sell parts and 
they don't sell parts, then their older mainstream cars will be pretty 
much worthless.
Guess it's all part of the shift from being a maker of fine auto mobiles 
to being a supplier of plastic junk to feed someones ego.


Hendrik
who can still get parts

On 06/09/13 22:39, MG wrote:
Sadder part is that Mercedes, according to Tom Hansen at the Classic 
center, is no longer going to support or supply parts for a lot of the 
older cars once the stock on hand runs out. These include the w123, 
w124, w126  and at that point I forget the rest but there was a long 
list. The justification is that Mercedes does not consider them as 
classics as there were too many made. When they set the classic center 
up they were only thinking of the few more rare cars. Sports models 
and such.


Very sad,
Manfred




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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Mitch Haley]

clay wrote:


There are a number of low quality aftermarket parts to keep the car going.  
Trying to get a quality body repair is nigh impossible, as there are no OE 
parts.  Aftermarket is dirt cheap and garbage that does not fit


How many of the parts you speak of are available in "CAPA Certified" form?
IME, CAPA parts for domestic cars are as dimensionally correct, if not of equal 
strength material.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[MG]

There are still a couple around if you want to pay $80 or more 
for one.


Manfred

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 21:51:24 -0400
From: John Reames 

Rear door checks. (W123) (SOL)

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[MG]

So do you happen to have the lower 12" or so of the left rear 
body of an 80-84 TD. From the wheel well to the tail light.


Or does anyone for that matter.

Manfred



Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 10:29:38 -0500
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 

I guess I got a gold mine of nla parts.

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[clay]

Make what?  The part or the car?

Right now, the prime owner does not give a rip, as he will be rid of the car 
long before it craps out.  The second owner, who will have purchased, not 
leased the car, will be footing a large repair and replacement bill to keep the 
car going.

SWMBA purchased a 95 civic from the dealer in 97.  Just back from lease, no 
problems with the car.  Dang well should not have any on a two year old car.  
Drove it for five years and in that time things took to deteriorating.  Nothing 
big, just aging out and wearing down.  She sold it after purchasing the E300 as 
an eight year old car.  The repairs to that car filled a folder before we 
bought.  We added significantly to the folder in the next ten years.  I think 
we paid as much to repair, as we did to purchase over that decade.

There are a number of low quality aftermarket parts to keep the car going.  
Trying to get a quality body repair is nigh impossible, as there are no OE 
parts.  Aftermarket is dirt cheap and garbage that does not fit, so your labor 
cost to modify to fit is plain waste.

clay

On Sep 7, 2013, at 6:24 AM, MG wrote:

> Yeah but who is going to make them.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 20:46:02 -0400
> From: "Scott Ritchey" 
> 
> 
> Maybe MBUSA needs to rethink this?  In my mind, the Mercedes reputation for
> longevity and parts availability was a big part of what made them special.
> If Mercedes plans to become just another ordinary car but at twice the
> price, I think their business model needs work.
> 
> Scott
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Gary Hurst]

you might just!


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> I guess I got a gold mine of nla parts.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 6, 2013, at 8:51 PM, John Reames  wrote:
>
> > Rear door checks. (W123) (SOL)
> >
> > --
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> > jream...@verizon.net
> > Home: +14106646986
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> >
> > On Sep 6, 2013, at 19:17, MG  wrote:
> >
> >> Really? Try to get a dashboard for a W123 since they are all starting
> to crack. Mercedes doesn't have them neither does anyone else. I need two
> for a w123. Not available and no plans to make any more. Try getting the
> spare tire holder for a TD. One of those parts that rusts out at the bottom
> along with the floor plate there. The floor plate you can still get but not
> the spare tire holder. As the parts run out at MB for any of those cars
> that's the end. Unless the aftermarket suppliers step up and produce them.
> I can't remember how many parts I have tried to get for my 123s the last
> year only to be told over and over that they will no longer be available.
> Yes you can still get the common repair stuff due to after market. Soon
> however you won't find them at MB. AS far as that goes I just bought an
> accelerator linkage bracket for the firewall on the 123. Got it from MB, no
> MB number or star on it. Think about that for a bit.
> >>
> >> My thought is that someone up there at MB came along and decided that
> there were to many of those cars, E-class, and if they keep producing parts
> a lot of people would keep driving them. On the other hand if those people
> can't get the parts then they would have to junk them and buy a new
> Mercedes. More money, always follow the money to find out why.
> >>
> >> Manfred
> >>
> >> From: Dan Penoff 
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >>
> >> If that is the case, why are they designating cars as "classics"?
> >>
> >> IIRC, they just identified the W140 chassis as "classic" earlier this
> year.
> >>
> >> I would think that with the volume of W123 and W124 models out there
> that third party parts suppliers are doing a good job keeping up with what
> is needed.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I guess I got a gold mine of nla parts.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2013, at 8:51 PM, John Reames  wrote:

> Rear door checks. (W123) (SOL)
> 
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> Home: +14106646986
> Mobile: +14437915905
> 
> On Sep 6, 2013, at 19:17, MG  wrote:
> 
>> Really? Try to get a dashboard for a W123 since they are all starting to 
>> crack. Mercedes doesn't have them neither does anyone else. I need two for a 
>> w123. Not available and no plans to make any more. Try getting the spare 
>> tire holder for a TD. One of those parts that rusts out at the bottom along 
>> with the floor plate there. The floor plate you can still get but not the 
>> spare tire holder. As the parts run out at MB for any of those cars that's 
>> the end. Unless the aftermarket suppliers step up and produce them. I can't 
>> remember how many parts I have tried to get for my 123s the last year only 
>> to be told over and over that they will no longer be available. Yes you can 
>> still get the common repair stuff due to after market. Soon however you 
>> won't find them at MB. AS far as that goes I just bought an accelerator 
>> linkage bracket for the firewall on the 123. Got it from MB, no MB number or 
>> star on it. Think about that for a bit.
>> 
>> My thought is that someone up there at MB came along and decided that there 
>> were to many of those cars, E-class, and if they keep producing parts a lot 
>> of people would keep driving them. On the other hand if those people can't 
>> get the parts then they would have to junk them and buy a new Mercedes. More 
>> money, always follow the money to find out why.
>> 
>> Manfred
>> 
>> From: Dan Penoff 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> 
>> If that is the case, why are they designating cars as "classics"?
>> 
>> IIRC, they just identified the W140 chassis as "classic" earlier this year.
>> 
>> I would think that with the volume of W123 and W124 models out there that 
>> third party parts suppliers are doing a good job keeping up with what is 
>> needed.
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Gary Hurst]

this is the same argument of how journey used to be a great band in their
early years but then became crap.  the problem is when the "good" sells
10,000 albums and the bad sells 10,000,000 albums.  today's "bad" mercedes
sells a lot more than the old "good" mercedes.  they are monumentally
successful.

they are giving "the people" what they want, just like walmart and the
chinese are.  those like us who don't like it don't even matter in the
slightest as we weren't going to buy a new benz anyway.


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 1:35 AM, clay  wrote:

> That is a marketing disaster and pretty short sighted of them.  I guess
> they really mean "classic" and not just your old benz from now on.   Might
> end up with no parts for the R107, as they made far too many of those and
> for much too long.  With the new attitude of screw you for buying an older
> car, what do they expect will be a "collector" car?  SLR?
>
> I got into a discussion on MBCA forum about the new S.  I noted it is a
> throw away car, as it will have no legs.  Too expensive and too many
> subsystems failing over time for anybody to purchase it after they sell it
> CPO.  The W140 is a classic now.  Bet they draw down the stock of spares
> quick, as the S600 will just end up in PnP for being too expensive to keep
> on the road.
>
> Damn, this marque is going down hill fast.
>
> clay
>
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2013, at 6:09 AM, MG wrote:
>
> > Sadder part is that Mercedes, according to Tom Hansen at the Classic
> center, is no longer going to support or supply parts for a lot of the
> older cars once the stock on hand runs out. These include the w123, w124,
> w126  and at that point I forget the rest but there was a long list. The
> justification is that Mercedes does not consider them as classics as there
> were too many made. When they set the classic center up they were only
> thinking of the few more rare cars. Sports models and such.
> >
> > Very sad,
> > Manfred
> >
> >
> > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:40:23 -0400
> > From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > This makes me sad. I want to get my 220D roadworthy again:(
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >
> > > > OEM parts have grown sparse.  i don't remember the specifics but
> i've often
> > > > been surprised at what is and is not still available for the few
> 114/115
> > > > customers that remain
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Dan Penoff]

Being a W140 owner I watch the traffic in the area for S600s.

If you desire this sort of car they can be had cheap, even really nice 
examples.  The key is to do your due diligence and get a PPI or have records 
that show the wiring harness and AC were dealt with in the past.

Amazingly, despite the reputation they have for being significant cash vacuum 
cleaners, they're really no worse than the W140 with an M119.  The systems are 
much the same and if they have made it this far without issues are fairly 
robust.

I think a lot of the reputation they have for reliability (or lack thereof) is 
anecdotal.  Granted, they'll beat you up at every gas pump, but if you lust for 
this sort of thing they're really not that bad.

Dan


On Sep 7, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

> A coupla years ago there was a towing yard that had an S600 they were going 
> to auction.  I went just for grins and got there about 2 min late, they had 
> sold it for $2k.  It actually looked half decent for a dopermobile, was 
> black/black and a bit beat but nothing too outrageous, and some guy said it 
> ran.  I figured it would be worth a lot more that that in parts or just to 
> drive the hell out of it until it broke bad.  Some goober with a used car lot 
> in "that" part of town bought it, probably sold it to another gangsta.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 9/7/13 1:35 AM, clay wrote:
>> Bet they draw down the stock of spares quick, as the S600 will just end up 
>> in PnP for being too expensive to keep on the road.
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Rich Thomas]

A coupla years ago there was a towing yard that had an S600 they were 
going to auction.  I went just for grins and got there about 2 min late, 
they had sold it for $2k.  It actually looked half decent for a 
dopermobile, was black/black and a bit beat but nothing too outrageous, 
and some guy said it ran.  I figured it would be worth a lot more that 
that in parts or just to drive the hell out of it until it broke bad.  
Some goober with a used car lot in "that" part of town bought it, 
probably sold it to another gangsta.


--R

On 9/7/13 1:35 AM, clay wrote:

Bet they draw down the stock of spares quick, as the S600 will just end up in 
PnP for being too expensive to keep on the road.



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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Peter Frederick]

Damage already done, MB was infected with "American junk Auto" disease  
when they merged with Chrysler.  Not only that, but the vast majority  
of their "sales" are now leases, and since no one owns them anymore,  
there are no owners to require longevity.  Cars only need last through  
the initial lease period.


The long availability of parts is a result of German law --  
manufacturers are required to provide parts for 20 years after they  
cease production of any model, but after that it's market.  Europeans  
tended to keep cars for a very long time up to the 2000s, they were  
very expensive relative to American cars and didn't get the extended  
use cars do here.  That's changed, however, with people junking cars  
more and driving more.


Funny thing is that 'disposable' cars these days last much longer than  
the stuff made in the 80's!


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[MG]

No. I think the plan is that there is no sense in stocking parts 
if the people will then have to buy new cars when they can't keep 
the old ones in good order. They probably learned that from the 
American auto companies. MB probably doesn't realize that they 
would have to lower the prices a lot to get more sales. They 
haven't figured out yet that they would sell more parts if they 
didn't charge 3 or 4 times list.


Manfred

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 21:32:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: m...@voyager.net

So there's no point in stocking parts because there are so many 
cars that

need the parts?
Makes as much sense as the mayor of Stuttgart wanting to ban motor
vehicles two days a week.

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[MG]

Yeah but who is going to make them.

Manfred

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 20:46:02 -0400
From: "Scott Ritchey" 


Maybe MBUSA needs to rethink this?  In my mind, the Mercedes 
reputation for
longevity and parts availability was a big part of what made them 
special.
If Mercedes plans to become just another ordinary car but at 
twice the

price, I think their business model needs work.

Scott

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[clay]

That is a marketing disaster and pretty short sighted of them.  I guess they 
really mean "classic" and not just your old benz from now on.   Might end up 
with no parts for the R107, as they made far too many of those and for much too 
long.  With the new attitude of screw you for buying an older car, what do they 
expect will be a "collector" car?  SLR?

I got into a discussion on MBCA forum about the new S.  I noted it is a throw 
away car, as it will have no legs.  Too expensive and too many subsystems 
failing over time for anybody to purchase it after they sell it CPO.  The W140 
is a classic now.  Bet they draw down the stock of spares quick, as the S600 
will just end up in PnP for being too expensive to keep on the road.

Damn, this marque is going down hill fast.

clay



On Sep 6, 2013, at 6:09 AM, MG wrote:

> Sadder part is that Mercedes, according to Tom Hansen at the Classic center, 
> is no longer going to support or supply parts for a lot of the older cars 
> once the stock on hand runs out. These include the w123, w124, w126  and at 
> that point I forget the rest but there was a long list. The justification is 
> that Mercedes does not consider them as classics as there were too many made. 
> When they set the classic center up they were only thinking of the few more 
> rare cars. Sports models and such.
> 
> Very sad,
> Manfred
> 
> 
> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:40:23 -0400
> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> 
> 
> This makes me sad. I want to get my 220D roadworthy again:(
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> 
> > > OEM parts have grown sparse.  i don't remember the specifics but i've 
> > > often
> > > been surprised at what is and is not still available for the few 114/115
> > > customers that remain
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[John Reames]

Rear door checks. (W123) (SOL)

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On Sep 6, 2013, at 19:17, MG  wrote:

> Really? Try to get a dashboard for a W123 since they are all starting to 
> crack. Mercedes doesn't have them neither does anyone else. I need two for a 
> w123. Not available and no plans to make any more. Try getting the spare tire 
> holder for a TD. One of those parts that rusts out at the bottom along with 
> the floor plate there. The floor plate you can still get but not the spare 
> tire holder. As the parts run out at MB for any of those cars that's the end. 
> Unless the aftermarket suppliers step up and produce them. I can't remember 
> how many parts I have tried to get for my 123s the last year only to be told 
> over and over that they will no longer be available. Yes you can still get 
> the common repair stuff due to after market. Soon however you won't find them 
> at MB. AS far as that goes I just bought an accelerator linkage bracket for 
> the firewall on the 123. Got it from MB, no MB number or star on it. Think 
> about that for a bit.
> 
> My thought is that someone up there at MB came along and decided that there 
> were to many of those cars, E-class, and if they keep producing parts a lot 
> of people would keep driving them. On the other hand if those people can't 
> get the parts then they would have to junk them and buy a new Mercedes. More 
> money, always follow the money to find out why.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> From: Dan Penoff 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> 
> If that is the case, why are they designating cars as "classics"?
> 
> IIRC, they just identified the W140 chassis as "classic" earlier this year.
> 
> I would think that with the volume of W123 and W124 models out there that 
> third party parts suppliers are doing a good job keeping up with what is 
> needed.
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[mlh]

>
> Maybe MBUSA needs to rethink this?  In my mind, the Mercedes reputation
> for
> longevity and parts availability was a big part of what made them special.
> If Mercedes plans to become just another ordinary car but at twice the
> price, I think their business model needs work.

So there's no point in stocking parts because there are so many cars that
need the parts?
Makes as much sense as the mayor of Stuttgart wanting to ban motor
vehicles two days a week.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[WILTON]

'Bought the 350SDL in '95 based on the reputation of reliability, 
dependability and longevity of the OM 603.  'Didn't know 'til a year later 
that they'd recently screwed it up.


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From: "Scott Ritchey" 

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Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel




Maybe MBUSA needs to rethink this?  In my mind, the Mercedes reputation 
for

longevity and parts availability was a big part of what made them special.
If Mercedes plans to become just another ordinary car but at twice the
price, I think their business model needs work.

Scott

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of MG
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 9:10 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

Sadder part is that Mercedes, according to Tom
Hansen at the Classic center, is no longer going
to support or supply parts for a lot of the older
cars once the stock on hand runs out. These
include the w123, w124, w126  and at that point I
forget the rest but there was a long list. The
justification is that Mercedes does not consider
them as classics as there were too many made. When
they set the classic center up they were only
thinking of the few more rare cars. Sports models
and such.

Very sad,
Manfred





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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Scott Ritchey]

Maybe MBUSA needs to rethink this?  In my mind, the Mercedes reputation for
longevity and parts availability was a big part of what made them special.
If Mercedes plans to become just another ordinary car but at twice the
price, I think their business model needs work.

Scott

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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

Sadder part is that Mercedes, according to Tom 
Hansen at the Classic center, is no longer going 
to support or supply parts for a lot of the older 
cars once the stock on hand runs out. These 
include the w123, w124, w126  and at that point I 
forget the rest but there was a long list. The 
justification is that Mercedes does not consider 
them as classics as there were too many made. When 
they set the classic center up they were only 
thinking of the few more rare cars. Sports models 
and such.

Very sad,
Manfred





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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[MG]

Really? Try to get a dashboard for a W123 since they are all 
starting to crack. Mercedes doesn't have them neither does anyone 
else. I need two for a w123. Not available and no plans to make 
any more. Try getting the spare tire holder for a TD. One of 
those parts that rusts out at the bottom along with the floor 
plate there. The floor plate you can still get but not the spare 
tire holder. As the parts run out at MB for any of those cars 
that's the end. Unless the aftermarket suppliers step up and 
produce them. I can't remember how many parts I have tried to get 
for my 123s the last year only to be told over and over that they 
will no longer be available. Yes you can still get the common 
repair stuff due to after market. Soon however you won't find 
them at MB. AS far as that goes I just bought an accelerator 
linkage bracket for the firewall on the 123. Got it from MB, no 
MB number or star on it. Think about that for a bit.


My thought is that someone up there at MB came along and decided 
that there were to many of those cars, E-class, and if they keep 
producing parts a lot of people would keep driving them. On the 
other hand if those people can't get the parts then they would 
have to junk them and buy a new Mercedes. More money, always 
follow the money to find out why.


Manfred

From: Dan Penoff 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 

If that is the case, why are they designating cars as "classics"?

IIRC, they just identified the W140 chassis as "classic" earlier 
this year.


I would think that with the volume of W123 and W124 models out 
there that third party parts suppliers are doing a good job 
keeping up with what is needed.


Dan

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Dan Penoff]

If that is the case, why are they designating cars as "classics"?

IIRC, they just identified the W140 chassis as "classic" earlier this year.

I would think that with the volume of W123 and W124 models out there that third 
party parts suppliers are doing a good job keeping up with what is needed.

Dan

On Sep 6, 2013, at 9:10 AM, MG  wrote:

> Sadder part is that Mercedes, according to Tom Hansen at the Classic center, 
> is no longer going to support or supply parts for a lot of the older cars 
> once the stock on hand runs out. These include the w123, w124, w126  and at 
> that point I forget the rest but there was a long list. The justification is 
> that Mercedes does not consider them as classics as there were too many made. 
> When they set the classic center up they were only thinking of the few more 
> rare cars. Sports models and such.
> 
> Very sad,
> Manfred
> 
> 
> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:40:23 -0400
> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> 
> 
> This makes me sad. I want to get my 220D roadworthy again:(
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> 
> > > OEM parts have grown sparse.  i don't remember the specifics but i've 
> > > often
> > > been surprised at what is and is not still available for the few 114/115
> > > customers that remain
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[MG]

Sadder part is that Mercedes, according to Tom 
Hansen at the Classic center, is no longer going 
to support or supply parts for a lot of the older 
cars once the stock on hand runs out. These 
include the w123, w124, w126  and at that point I 
forget the rest but there was a long list. The 
justification is that Mercedes does not consider 
them as classics as there were too many made. When 
they set the classic center up they were only 
thinking of the few more rare cars. Sports models 
and such.


Very sad,
Manfred


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:40:23 -0400
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com


This makes me sad. I want to get my 220D 
roadworthy again:(


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Gary Hurst 
 wrote:


> > OEM parts have grown sparse.  i don't 
remember the specifics but i've often
> > been surprised at what is and is not still 
available for the few 114/115

> > customers that remain

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[clay]

What all is missing?  Bound to be able to scrounge much of it at PnP.  I have a 
few things left on the parts shelf that nobody on fleaBay wanted

clay

On Sep 5, 2013, at 6:40 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

> This makes me sad. I want to get my 220D roadworthy again:(
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> 
>> OEM parts have grown sparse.  i don't remember the specifics but i've often
>> been surprised at what is and is not still available for the few 114/115
>> customers that remain
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 04/09/2013 10:19 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>>> 
 i like 115s the best, but you aren't going to get any parts support.  i
 really love W123 300TDs but they have gotten super expensive (if you can
 find a decent one cheap, jump all over it, but i don't think you'd be able
 to).  i'm gonna recommend a 123 300CD if you can find a nice one
 reasonably
 priced or otherwise something like an 87 300TD.
>>> What am I going to have trouble getting for the 115 Gary? -1976 300D
>>> 
>>> So far, I have not needed much but I have not had any trouble getting what
>>> I have needed.
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sep 4, 2013 7:53 PM, "Peter Frederick"  wrote:
>
> Mine is an 87 300D, and if you can
> find one in good shape

My '87 300D may be on the market soon, but I'm not sure it would qualify as
"good shape."  Maybe by the craigslist meaning of "good."

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Jaime Kopchinski]

His W115 is in my garage right now.  It started with a coolant leak, now
I'm going to service the trans and rebuild the injectors too.

Radiator was resealed and cleaned up for $95 by a local radiator shop in
less than 24 hours.  Finding service like that really makes me happy.


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> i am really hazy on the details.  mostly it's just from gesek complaining
> that i send BK nice parts and offer him crap, which seems to be on account
> of his car beign 115 and jaime having a 123
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:40 PM,  wrote:
>
> > This makes me sad. I want to get my 220D roadworthy again:(
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >
> > > OEM parts have grown sparse.  i don't remember the specifics but i've
> > often
> > > been surprised at what is and is not still available for the few
> 114/115
> > > customers that remain
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Randy Bennell 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 04/09/2013 10:19 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> i like 115s the best, but you aren't going to get any parts support.
>  i
> > >>> really love W123 300TDs but they have gotten super expensive (if you
> > can
> > >>> find a decent one cheap, jump all over it, but i don't think you'd be
> > able
> > >>> to).  i'm gonna recommend a 123 300CD if you can find a nice one
> > >>> reasonably
> > >>> priced or otherwise something like an 87 300TD.
> > >> What am I going to have trouble getting for the 115 Gary? -1976 300D
> > >>
> > >> So far, I have not needed much but I have not had any trouble getting
> > what
> > >> I have needed.
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Gary Hurst]

i am really hazy on the details.  mostly it's just from gesek complaining
that i send BK nice parts and offer him crap, which seems to be on account
of his car beign 115 and jaime having a 123


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:40 PM,  wrote:

> This makes me sad. I want to get my 220D roadworthy again:(
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > OEM parts have grown sparse.  i don't remember the specifics but i've
> often
> > been surprised at what is and is not still available for the few 114/115
> > customers that remain
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Randy Bennell 
> wrote:
> >
> >> On 04/09/2013 10:19 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> >>
> >>> i like 115s the best, but you aren't going to get any parts support.  i
> >>> really love W123 300TDs but they have gotten super expensive (if you
> can
> >>> find a decent one cheap, jump all over it, but i don't think you'd be
> able
> >>> to).  i'm gonna recommend a 123 300CD if you can find a nice one
> >>> reasonably
> >>> priced or otherwise something like an 87 300TD.
> >> What am I going to have trouble getting for the 115 Gary? -1976 300D
> >>
> >> So far, I have not needed much but I have not had any trouble getting
> what
> >> I have needed.
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[dseretakis]

This makes me sad. I want to get my 220D roadworthy again:(

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> OEM parts have grown sparse.  i don't remember the specifics but i've often
> been surprised at what is and is not still available for the few 114/115
> customers that remain
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
> 
>> On 04/09/2013 10:19 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>> 
>>> i like 115s the best, but you aren't going to get any parts support.  i
>>> really love W123 300TDs but they have gotten super expensive (if you can
>>> find a decent one cheap, jump all over it, but i don't think you'd be able
>>> to).  i'm gonna recommend a 123 300CD if you can find a nice one
>>> reasonably
>>> priced or otherwise something like an 87 300TD.
>> What am I going to have trouble getting for the 115 Gary? -1976 300D
>> 
>> So far, I have not needed much but I have not had any trouble getting what
>> I have needed.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[clay]

I am guessing that the parts that are shared with the R107 are the ones you can 
still get.  Just does not seem to be a market for the other parts.   I had to 
fake my own carpet since nobody provides it for a reasonable cost.  The rest 
comes from PnP or Dr. Fatty


clay 

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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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On Sep 5, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

> OEM parts have grown sparse.  i don't remember the specifics but i've often
> been surprised at what is and is not still available for the few 114/115
> customers that remain
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
> 
>> On 04/09/2013 10:19 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>> 
>>> i like 115s the best, but you aren't going to get any parts support.  i
>>> really love W123 300TDs but they have gotten super expensive (if you can
>>> find a decent one cheap, jump all over it, but i don't think you'd be able
>>> to).  i'm gonna recommend a 123 300CD if you can find a nice one
>>> reasonably
>>> priced or otherwise something like an 87 300TD.
>>> 
>> What am I going to have trouble getting for the 115 Gary? -1976 300D
>> 
>> So far, I have not needed much but I have not had any trouble getting what
>> I have needed.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Gary Hurst]

OEM parts have grown sparse.  i don't remember the specifics but i've often
been surprised at what is and is not still available for the few 114/115
customers that remain


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 04/09/2013 10:19 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> i like 115s the best, but you aren't going to get any parts support.  i
>> really love W123 300TDs but they have gotten super expensive (if you can
>> find a decent one cheap, jump all over it, but i don't think you'd be able
>> to).  i'm gonna recommend a 123 300CD if you can find a nice one
>> reasonably
>> priced or otherwise something like an 87 300TD.
>>
> What am I going to have trouble getting for the 115 Gary? -1976 300D
>
> So far, I have not needed much but I have not had any trouble getting what
> I have needed.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Randy Bennell]

On 04/09/2013 10:19 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

i like 115s the best, but you aren't going to get any parts support.  i
really love W123 300TDs but they have gotten super expensive (if you can
find a decent one cheap, jump all over it, but i don't think you'd be able
to).  i'm gonna recommend a 123 300CD if you can find a nice one reasonably
priced or otherwise something like an 87 300TD.

What am I going to have trouble getting for the 115 Gary? -1976 300D

So far, I have not needed much but I have not had any trouble getting 
what I have needed.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Mitch Haley]

Kevin Kraly wrote:
Just thought I would try to add some Mercedes content to the list.  In a 
couple weeks, I'm going to start looking in earnest for my next rattly 
Mercedes.  Will it be a W115 220D, 240D or 300D, W116 300SD, W123 240D 
or 300D sedan, coupe or wagon, turbo or NA, W124 1987 300D or a 1990-93 
300D 2.5T, W126 SD or SDL? 


You just missed out on Clay's 1995 W124 with OM606.
Maybe he'll sell you his 450SL instead.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[clay]

I will not be selling.  SWMBA may put it on the market once I have a massive 
myocardial infarction.  

clay

On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> Kevin Kraly wrote:
>> Just thought I would try to add some Mercedes content to the list.  In a 
>> couple weeks, I'm going to start looking in earnest for my next rattly 
>> Mercedes.  Will it be a W115 220D, 240D or 300D, W116 300SD, W123 240D or 
>> 300D sedan, coupe or wagon, turbo or NA, W124 1987 300D or a 1990-93 300D 
>> 2.5T, W126 SD or SDL? 
> 
> You just missed out on Clay's 1995 W124 with OM606.
> Maybe he'll sell you his 450SL instead.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[clay]

Depends on how much you desire Classic car or modern.  I really prefer the 
classics of the 70's.  Maybe the SDL


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








On Sep 4, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote:

> Just thought I would try to add some Mercedes content to the list.  In a 
> couple weeks, I'm going to start looking in earnest for my next rattly 
> Mercedes.  Will it be a W115 220D, 240D or 300D, W116 300SD, W123 240D or 
> 300D sedan, coupe or wagon, turbo or NA, W124 1987 300D or a 1990-93 300D 
> 2.5T, W126 SD or SDL?  I've even seen a couple W201's out there.  I like the 
> 300tD's, but they either seem to be priced way too high even with issues, or 
> the rear SLS is shot or removed completely.  I wouldn't mind a 300CD NA or 
> the extra power of a Turbbo Diesel since I liked the two NA models I owned. 
> I'm looking for one that's enjoyable, not to expensive, one  without too much 
> neglect, something to be the fun car.  Do you think I have the "sickness?"  
> Seriously, any suggestions on what years/models that aren't too pricy, lots 
> of bang for the buck?
> 
> Kevin, Mercedes Diesel-less in LaPorte, Colorado, moving back to Hillsboro, 
> Oregon next Friday 
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Dwight Giles]

Well my preterence would be one of each. The best car I have ever owned in
50  years including 5 MBs is my 124 300D 2.5. I have put 100k miles on it
and spent very little on repairs. I love the looks of my 300CDT but the 124
is the real driver.  I commute 300 miles a week.
My .02
Dwight
On Sep 4, 2013 10:42 PM, "Kevin Kraly"  wrote:

> Just thought I would try to add some Mercedes content to the list.  In a
> couple weeks, I'm going to start looking in earnest for my next rattly
> Mercedes.  Will it be a W115 220D, 240D or 300D, W116 300SD, W123 240D or
> 300D sedan, coupe or wagon, turbo or NA, W124 1987 300D or a 1990-93 300D
> 2.5T, W126 SD or SDL?  I've even seen a couple W201's out there.  I like
> the 300tD's, but they either seem to be priced way too high even with
> issues, or the rear SLS is shot or removed completely.  I wouldn't mind a
> 300CD NA or the extra power of a Turbbo Diesel since I liked the two NA
> models I owned. I'm looking for one that's enjoyable, not to expensive, one
>  without too much neglect, something to be the fun car.  Do you think I
> have the "sickness?"  Seriously, any suggestions on what years/models that
> aren't too pricy, lots of bang for the buck?
>
> Kevin, Mercedes Diesel-less in LaPorte, Colorado, moving back to
> Hillsboro, Oregon next Friday
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Craig]

On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 19:42:20 -0700 "Kevin Kraly" 
wrote:

> Do you think I have the "sickness?"

Yup. You're hopeless


> Seriously, any suggestions on what years/models that aren't too pricy,
> lots of bang for the buck?

You put out quite a list there, Kevin. Those cars are very different from
each other. I don't have any suggestions on which ones you should look at.


> Kevin, Mercedes Diesel-less in LaPorte, Colorado, moving back to
> Hillsboro, Oregon next Friday 

Congratulations on moving back to Oregon.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Gary Hurst]

i know a kyle kraly!


i like 115s the best, but you aren't going to get any parts support.  i
really love W123 300TDs but they have gotten super expensive (if you can
find a decent one cheap, jump all over it, but i don't think you'd be able
to).  i'm gonna recommend a 123 300CD if you can find a nice one reasonably
priced or otherwise something like an 87 300TD.


On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Kevin Kraly  wrote:

> Just thought I would try to add some Mercedes content to the list.  In a
> couple weeks, I'm going to start looking in earnest for my next rattly
> Mercedes.  Will it be a W115 220D, 240D or 300D, W116 300SD, W123 240D or
> 300D sedan, coupe or wagon, turbo or NA, W124 1987 300D or a 1990-93 300D
> 2.5T, W126 SD or SDL?  I've even seen a couple W201's out there.  I like
> the 300tD's, but they either seem to be priced way too high even with
> issues, or the rear SLS is shot or removed completely.  I wouldn't mind a
> 300CD NA or the extra power of a Turbbo Diesel since I liked the two NA
> models I owned. I'm looking for one that's enjoyable, not to expensive, one
>  without too much neglect, something to be the fun car.  Do you think I
> have the "sickness?"  Seriously, any suggestions on what years/models that
> aren't too pricy, lots of bang for the buck?
>
> Kevin, Mercedes Diesel-less in LaPorte, Colorado, moving back to
> Hillsboro, Oregon next Friday
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Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel

[Peter Frederick]

Mine is an 87 300D, and if you can find one in good shape they are  
great cars.  I like them better than the W123s.


However, the 5 cylinder is a better deal, since the milage goes up to  
well over 30 mpg on the highway (I get around 29).


SDLs are wonderful cars, the SD isn't bad but lacks power in  
comparison.  Hard to find a good one anymore though.


Peter

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