Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Tim C]

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> cheap, reliable, and will not cost a fortune (or effort) to maintain in
> the DC area, nor likely be a target for miscreants.  He asserted $5k would
> buy something.  [How he arrives at that figure, having no money of his


Mazda Protege, Ford Focus, Nissan *.  With the advent of CL anything in the
$2000 to $4000 range could be okay, as long as you get something small for
parking.

Sorry, nothing to sell.  When we had the van in DC we had serious problems
parking, since it wouldn't go into a deck. :/

Best,
-Tim
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Dan Penoff]

I would suggest a Ford Focus. You can get a good example from the mid to late 
2000s in that range of dollars.

They are cheap to maintain, easy to fix when necessary, and economical to 
operate.

I have two if them, a 2004 wagon and a 2005 sedan. The wagon has about 159,000 
and the sedan around 175,000. Both have been relatively trouble free during my 
ownership.

Dan

On Nov 29, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Rich Thomas 
 wrote:

> The boy, who is in medical school in DC, asserts that starting next summer he 
> will need some sort of basic urban transportation device to get to his 
> various off-site locations in which he will be doing medical edumacashun 
> kinds of things.  I guess various hospitals in the DC area.  I still have his 
> 300SD here but he says that is too much trouble and he has no time or 
> inclination to fool with it.  IOW he need something that is cheap, reliable, 
> and will not cost a fortune (or effort) to maintain in the DC area, nor 
> likely be a target for miscreants.  He asserted $5k would buy something.  
> [How he arrives at that figure, having no money of his own to contribute at 
> this point, is a mystery, but whatever...]
> 
> I am thinking of a basic cheap japmobile of some sort, but I suppose anything 
> would do.  He has a bike, but going various distances night and day, rain and 
> shine, hot and cold, etc a car seems to be indicated.
> 
> So the challenge for y'all is to come up with some ideas for something that 
> would fit the bill.  And if anyone has or knows of something that might be 
> available in 6 months or so that would comply with the specifications, feel 
> free to offer.  I did not win the lottery drawing last night, so I am a bit 
> constrained on the budget for this adventure.
> 
> --R
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Randy Bennell]

On 29/11/2012 9:42 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
The boy, who is in medical school in DC, asserts that starting next 
summer he will need some sort of basic urban transportation device to 
get to his various off-site locations in which he will be doing 
medical edumacashun kinds of things.  I guess various hospitals in the 
DC area.  I still have his 300SD here but he says that is too much 
trouble and he has no time or inclination to fool with it.  IOW he 
need something that is cheap, reliable, and will not cost a fortune 
(or effort) to maintain in the DC area, nor likely be a target for 
miscreants.  He asserted $5k would buy something.  [How he arrives at 
that figure, having no money of his own to contribute at this point, 
is a mystery, but whatever...]


I am thinking of a basic cheap japmobile of some sort, but I suppose 
anything would do.  He has a bike, but going various distances night 
and day, rain and shine, hot and cold, etc a car seems to be 
indicated.


So the challenge for y'all is to come up with some ideas for something 
that would fit the bill.  And if anyone has or knows of something that 
might be available in 6 months or so that would comply with the 
specifications, feel free to offer.  I did not win the lottery drawing 
last night, so I am a bit constrained on the budget for this adventure.


--R

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What stage of his training is he at?
If near the end, it might be wise to lease or buy a new small car.
You carry the cost for the first year or so and then he takes over.
I know most of us on the list are not true believers in new vehicle 
purchases but it is probably the best way to almost guarantee he has no 
issues.


My elder son moved 1300 miles away this past summer. He had been driving 
a 2000 Nissan Maxima that his brother and I maintained for him. We were 
afraid he would spend way more than the car was worth quite quickly if 
he had to have every little problem addressed in garages so we 
encouraged him to swap it for something newer. He chose, with no input 
from me, a brand new Mazda 3. He is earning enough to cover the costs so 
I could hardly argue, but I would likely have recommended a Honda Civic.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Dan Penoff]

We have a 2005 Mazda 6 in the stable that just hit 100k. It's been very 
reliable and fairly cheap to maintain.

I would buy another Mazda without question.

Dan

On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 29/11/2012 9:42 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
>> The boy, who is in medical school in DC, asserts that starting next summer 
>> he will need some sort of basic urban transportation device to get to his 
>> various off-site locations in which he will be doing medical edumacashun 
>> kinds of things.  I guess various hospitals in the DC area.  I still have 
>> his 300SD here but he says that is too much trouble and he has no time or 
>> inclination to fool with it.  IOW he need something that is cheap, reliable, 
>> and will not cost a fortune (or effort) to maintain in the DC area, nor 
>> likely be a target for miscreants.  He asserted $5k would buy something.  
>> [How he arrives at that figure, having no money of his own to contribute at 
>> this point, is a mystery, but whatever...]
>> 
>> I am thinking of a basic cheap japmobile of some sort, but I suppose 
>> anything would do.  He has a bike, but going various distances night and 
>> day, rain and shine, hot and cold, etc a car seems to be indicated.
>> 
>> So the challenge for y'all is to come up with some ideas for something that 
>> would fit the bill.  And if anyone has or knows of something that might be 
>> available in 6 months or so that would comply with the specifications, feel 
>> free to offer.  I did not win the lottery drawing last night, so I am a bit 
>> constrained on the budget for this adventure.
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> ___
> 
> What stage of his training is he at?
> If near the end, it might be wise to lease or buy a new small car.
> You carry the cost for the first year or so and then he takes over.
> I know most of us on the list are not true believers in new vehicle purchases 
> but it is probably the best way to almost guarantee he has no issues.
> 
> My elder son moved 1300 miles away this past summer. He had been driving a 
> 2000 Nissan Maxima that his brother and I maintained for him. We were afraid 
> he would spend way more than the car was worth quite quickly if he had to 
> have every little problem addressed in garages so we encouraged him to swap 
> it for something newer. He chose, with no input from me, a brand new Mazda 3. 
> He is earning enough to cover the costs so I could hardly argue, but I would 
> likely have recommended a Honda Civic.
> 
> Randy
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[andrew strasfogel]

What's wrong with a krautmobile?  I have one that suits every one of
his needs other than price, and I am sure the list will make up the
difference between my asking and your offering price

Andrew
1985 300TD for keeps
1983 300TD "to a good home at the right price.  Blows ICE cold air
24/7 in the dead of winter"


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> We have a 2005 Mazda 6 in the stable that just hit 100k. It's been very 
> reliable and fairly cheap to maintain.
>
> I would buy another Mazda without question.
>
> Dan
>
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>
>> On 29/11/2012 9:42 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
>>> The boy, who is in medical school in DC, asserts that starting next summer 
>>> he will need some sort of basic urban transportation device to get to his 
>>> various off-site locations in which he will be doing medical edumacashun 
>>> kinds of things.  I guess various hospitals in the DC area.  I still have 
>>> his 300SD here but he says that is too much trouble and he has no time or 
>>> inclination to fool with it.  IOW he need something that is cheap, 
>>> reliable, and will not cost a fortune (or effort) to maintain in the DC 
>>> area, nor likely be a target for miscreants.  He asserted $5k would buy 
>>> something.  [How he arrives at that figure, having no money of his own to 
>>> contribute at this point, is a mystery, but whatever...]
>>>
>>> I am thinking of a basic cheap japmobile of some sort, but I suppose 
>>> anything would do.  He has a bike, but going various distances night and 
>>> day, rain and shine, hot and cold, etc a car seems to be indicated.
>>>
>>> So the challenge for y'all is to come up with some ideas for something that 
>>> would fit the bill.  And if anyone has or knows of something that might be 
>>> available in 6 months or so that would comply with the specifications, feel 
>>> free to offer.  I did not win the lottery drawing last night, so I am a bit 
>>> constrained on the budget for this adventure.
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>> ___
>>
>> What stage of his training is he at?
>> If near the end, it might be wise to lease or buy a new small car.
>> You carry the cost for the first year or so and then he takes over.
>> I know most of us on the list are not true believers in new vehicle 
>> purchases but it is probably the best way to almost guarantee he has no 
>> issues.
>>
>> My elder son moved 1300 miles away this past summer. He had been driving a 
>> 2000 Nissan Maxima that his brother and I maintained for him. We were afraid 
>> he would spend way more than the car was worth quite quickly if he had to 
>> have every little problem addressed in garages so we encouraged him to swap 
>> it for something newer. He chose, with no input from me, a brand new Mazda 
>> 3. He is earning enough to cover the costs so I could hardly argue, but I 
>> would likely have recommended a Honda Civic.
>>
>> Randy
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Rich Thomas]

I appreciate all the suggestions.

Andrew, perhaps we could arrange a long-term rental sort of deal in 
which you agree to maintain, provide substitute transpo on short notice, 
etc.  I think you live fairly close by so it would not take you long to 
go pick him up and deliver him to his destination, early, late, 
whenever, should the transpo device fail.


--R

On 11/29/12 2:14 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

What's wrong with a krautmobile?  I have one that suits every one of
his needs other than price, and I am sure the list will make up the
difference between my asking and your offering price

Andrew
1985 300TD for keeps
1983 300TD "to a good home at the right price.  Blows ICE cold air
24/7 in the dead of winter"


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

We have a 2005 Mazda 6 in the stable that just hit 100k. It's been very 
reliable and fairly cheap to maintain.

I would buy another Mazda without question.

Dan

On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:


On 29/11/2012 9:42 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

The boy, who is in medical school in DC, asserts that starting next summer he 
will need some sort of basic urban transportation device to get to his various 
off-site locations in which he will be doing medical edumacashun kinds of 
things.  I guess various hospitals in the DC area.  I still have his 300SD here 
but he says that is too much trouble and he has no time or inclination to fool 
with it.  IOW he need something that is cheap, reliable, and will not cost a 
fortune (or effort) to maintain in the DC area, nor likely be a target for 
miscreants.  He asserted $5k would buy something.  [How he arrives at that 
figure, having no money of his own to contribute at this point, is a mystery, 
but whatever...]

I am thinking of a basic cheap japmobile of some sort, but I suppose anything 
would do.  He has a bike, but going various distances night and day, rain and 
shine, hot and cold, etc a car seems to be indicated.

So the challenge for y'all is to come up with some ideas for something that 
would fit the bill.  And if anyone has or knows of something that might be 
available in 6 months or so that would comply with the specifications, feel 
free to offer.  I did not win the lottery drawing last night, so I am a bit 
constrained on the budget for this adventure.

--R

___

What stage of his training is he at?
If near the end, it might be wise to lease or buy a new small car.
You carry the cost for the first year or so and then he takes over.
I know most of us on the list are not true believers in new vehicle purchases 
but it is probably the best way to almost guarantee he has no issues.

My elder son moved 1300 miles away this past summer. He had been driving a 2000 
Nissan Maxima that his brother and I maintained for him. We were afraid he 
would spend way more than the car was worth quite quickly if he had to have 
every little problem addressed in garages so we encouraged him to swap it for 
something newer. He chose, with no input from me, a brand new Mazda 3. He is 
earning enough to cover the costs so I could hardly argue, but I would likely 
have recommended a Honda Civic.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:

I appreciate all the suggestions.

Andrew, perhaps we could arrange a long-term rental sort of deal in 
which you agree to maintain, provide substitute transpo on short notice, 
etc.  I think you live fairly close by so it would not take you long to 
go pick him up and deliver him to his destination, early, late, 
whenever, should the transpo device fail.


I've occasionally seen claims of $99-199 per month Leaf leases, and there are 
still a few 2012 on the dealer lots.


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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[andrew strasfogel]

You mean livery service?

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Rich Thomas
 wrote:
> I appreciate all the suggestions.
>
> Andrew, perhaps we could arrange a long-term rental sort of deal in which
> you agree to maintain, provide substitute transpo on short notice, etc.  I
> think you live fairly close by so it would not take you long to go pick him
> up and deliver him to his destination, early, late, whenever, should the
> transpo device fail.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 11/29/12 2:14 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>>
>> What's wrong with a krautmobile?  I have one that suits every one of
>> his needs other than price, and I am sure the list will make up the
>> difference between my asking and your offering price
>>
>> Andrew
>> 1985 300TD for keeps
>> 1983 300TD "to a good home at the right price.  Blows ICE cold air
>> 24/7 in the dead of winter"
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>>>
>>> We have a 2005 Mazda 6 in the stable that just hit 100k. It's been very
>>> reliable and fairly cheap to maintain.
>>>
>>> I would buy another Mazda without question.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>>>
 On 29/11/2012 9:42 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
>
> The boy, who is in medical school in DC, asserts that starting next
> summer he will need some sort of basic urban transportation device to get 
> to
> his various off-site locations in which he will be doing medical 
> edumacashun
> kinds of things.  I guess various hospitals in the DC area.  I still have
> his 300SD here but he says that is too much trouble and he has no time or
> inclination to fool with it.  IOW he need something that is cheap, 
> reliable,
> and will not cost a fortune (or effort) to maintain in the DC area, nor
> likely be a target for miscreants.  He asserted $5k would buy something.
> [How he arrives at that figure, having no money of his own to contribute 
> at
> this point, is a mystery, but whatever...]
>
> I am thinking of a basic cheap japmobile of some sort, but I suppose
> anything would do.  He has a bike, but going various distances night and
> day, rain and shine, hot and cold, etc a car seems to be indicated.
>
> So the challenge for y'all is to come up with some ideas for something
> that would fit the bill.  And if anyone has or knows of something that 
> might
> be available in 6 months or so that would comply with the specifications,
> feel free to offer.  I did not win the lottery drawing last night, so I 
> am a
> bit constrained on the budget for this adventure.
>
> --R
>
> ___

 What stage of his training is he at?
 If near the end, it might be wise to lease or buy a new small car.
 You carry the cost for the first year or so and then he takes over.
 I know most of us on the list are not true believers in new vehicle
 purchases but it is probably the best way to almost guarantee he has no
 issues.

 My elder son moved 1300 miles away this past summer. He had been driving
 a 2000 Nissan Maxima that his brother and I maintained for him. We were
 afraid he would spend way more than the car was worth quite quickly if he
 had to have every little problem addressed in garages so we encouraged him
 to swap it for something newer. He chose, with no input from me, a brand 
 new
 Mazda 3. He is earning enough to cover the costs so I could hardly argue,
 but I would likely have recommended a Honda Civic.

 Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Donald Snook]

Rich wrote: "So the challenge for y'all is to come up with some ideas for 
something that would fit the bill.  And if anyone has or knows of something 
that might be available in 6 months or so that would comply with the 
specifications, feel free to offer.  I did not win the lottery drawing last 
night, so I am a bit constrained on the budget for this adventure."

For me, I would agree that a Camry, Accord, Altima, Sentra, etc. would fit your 
description, I think once those cars get a lot of miles on them, they start to 
have problems that might not be that easy/cheap to maintain.

I would suggest a cheap $2000 American car.  Really.  An older Buick.  ANY GM 
car with the 3.8L V6.   They would be cheap to maintain, cheap to own and even 
cheaper to insure.  OR, a Ford Taurus from about 2002 to 2006.   They are 
unbeatable for basic reliable transportation.  There are zillions of them out 
there, parts are cheap, lots of people work on them.  I would hate driving  one 
because they are so boring, but they are good cheap transportation.

Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Allan Streib]

Agree with the Focus idea, we have an '02 and it has had only normal
maintenance needs and a few inexpensive repairs since we've owned it.
It's at about 160K miles now.

Allan

Dan Penoff  writes:

> I would suggest a Ford Focus. You can get a good example from the mid to late 
> 2000s in that range of dollars.
>
> They are cheap to maintain, easy to fix when necessary, and economical to 
> operate.
>
> I have two if them, a 2004 wagon and a 2005 sedan. The wagon has about 
> 159,000 and the sedan around 175,000. Both have been relatively trouble free 
> during my ownership.
>
> Dan

-- 
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Dieselhead]

Easy:Give him is choice:

1. Two feet, possibly mit shoes
2.   Hybrid Pedipowered organic green urban vehicle   (embraced by 
the siyerrra club, pita, animal liberation army, mao, che, the castro 
brothers, hugo, and many other tip cup dictators.)
3.   Rusted out 240D powered by homebrew BioD.  This also doubles as 
the fry oil collection device.

4.  Rusted out 115 220D or 240D.  (See above)


I thought the gummit spent bejillions of greenies to build rabid 
transit around DC?  Or was that only baston?




The boy, who is in medical school in DC, asserts that starting next 
summer he will need some sort of basic urban transportation device 
to get to his various off-site locations in which he will be doing 
medical edumacashun kinds of things.  I guess various hospitals in 
the DC area.  I still have his 300SD here but he says that is too 
much trouble and he has no time or inclination to fool with it.  IOW 
he need something that is cheap, reliable, and will not cost a 
fortune (or effort) to maintain in the DC area, nor likely be a 
target for miscreants.  He asserted $5k would buy something.  [How 
he arrives at that figure, having no money of his own to contribute 
at this point, is a mystery, but whatever...]


I am thinking of a basic cheap japmobile of some sort, but I suppose 
anything would do.  He has a bike, but going various distances night 
and day, rain and shine, hot and cold, etc a car seems to be 
indicated.


So the challenge for y'all is to come up with some ideas for 
something that would fit the bill.  And if anyone has or knows of 
something that might be available in 6 months or so that would 
comply with the specifications, feel free to offer.  I did not win 
the lottery drawing last night, so I am a bit constrained on the 
budget for this adventure.


--R



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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[OK Don]

Ditto - I don't know how it runs in the middle of the night, but my
daughter did NOT want a car when she lived in DC. She used the public
transportation all the time. We parked the cars and rode the busses and
subways when we visited - no problems.

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Easy:Give him is choice:
>
> 1. Two feet, possibly mit shoes
> 2.   Hybrid Pedipowered organic green urban vehicle   (embraced by the
> siyerrra club, pita, animal liberation army, mao, che, the castro brothers,
> hugo, and many other tip cup dictators.)
> 3.   Rusted out 240D powered by homebrew BioD.  This also doubles as the
> fry oil collection device.
> 4.  Rusted out 115 220D or 240D.  (See above)
>
>
> I thought the gummit spent bejillions of greenies to build rabid transit
> around DC?  Or was that only baston?
>
>
>
>
>  The boy, who is in medical school in DC, asserts that starting next
>> summer he will need some sort of basic urban transportation device to get
>> to his various off-site locations in which he will be doing medical
>> edumacashun kinds of things.  I guess various hospitals in the DC area.  I
>> still have his 300SD here but he says that is too much trouble and he has
>> no time or inclination to fool with it.  IOW he need something that is
>> cheap, reliable, and will not cost a fortune (or effort) to maintain in the
>> DC area, nor likely be a target for miscreants.  He asserted $5k would buy
>> something.  [How he arrives at that figure, having no money of his own to
>> contribute at this point, is a mystery, but whatever...]
>>
>> I am thinking of a basic cheap japmobile of some sort, but I suppose
>> anything would do.  He has a bike, but going various distances night and
>> day, rain and shine, hot and cold, etc a car seems to be indicated.
>>
>> So the challenge for y'all is to come up with some ideas for something
>> that would fit the bill.  And if anyone has or knows of something that
>> might be available in 6 months or so that would comply with the
>> specifications, feel free to offer.  I did not win the lottery drawing last
>> night, so I am a bit constrained on the budget for this adventure.
>>
>> --R
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Rich Thomas]

Well the problem I believe is that the public transpo might not go to 
the places he needs to go at the times he would need to go there, in a 
"safe" and timely fashion.  He actually has little interest in a car 
other than for this purpose as described below.  He has been getting 
around by shank's mare, a bike, and the Metro, and he is content with 
that, mostly.


But I take your point.

--R

On 11/29/12 7:30 PM, OK Don wrote:

Ditto - I don't know how it runs in the middle of the night, but my
daughter did NOT want a car when she lived in DC. She used the public
transportation all the time. We parked the cars and rode the busses and
subways when we visited - no problems.

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


Easy:Give him is choice:

1. Two feet, possibly mit shoes
2.   Hybrid Pedipowered organic green urban vehicle   (embraced by the
siyerrra club, pita, animal liberation army, mao, che, the castro brothers,
hugo, and many other tip cup dictators.)
3.   Rusted out 240D powered by homebrew BioD.  This also doubles as the
fry oil collection device.
4.  Rusted out 115 220D or 240D.  (See above)


I thought the gummit spent bejillions of greenies to build rabid transit
around DC?  Or was that only baston?




  The boy, who is in medical school in DC, asserts that starting next

summer he will need some sort of basic urban transportation device to get
to his various off-site locations in which he will be doing medical
edumacashun kinds of things.  I guess various hospitals in the DC area.  I
still have his 300SD here but he says that is too much trouble and he has
no time or inclination to fool with it.  IOW he need something that is
cheap, reliable, and will not cost a fortune (or effort) to maintain in the
DC area, nor likely be a target for miscreants.  He asserted $5k would buy
something.  [How he arrives at that figure, having no money of his own to
contribute at this point, is a mystery, but whatever...]

I am thinking of a basic cheap japmobile of some sort, but I suppose
anything would do.  He has a bike, but going various distances night and
day, rain and shine, hot and cold, etc a car seems to be indicated.

So the challenge for y'all is to come up with some ideas for something
that would fit the bill.  And if anyone has or knows of something that
might be available in 6 months or so that would comply with the
specifications, feel free to offer.  I did not win the lottery drawing last
night, so I am a bit constrained on the budget for this adventure.

--R



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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Dieselhead]

Well the problem I believe is that the public transpo might not go 
to the places he needs to go at the times he would need to go there, 
in a "safe" and timely fashion.  He actually has little interest in 
a car other than for this purpose as described below.  He has been 
getting around by shank's mare, a bike, and the Metro, and he is 
content with that, mostly.


But I take your point.

--R

On 11/29/12 7:30 PM, OK Don wrote:

Ditto - I don't know how it runs in the middle of the night, but my
daughter did NOT want a car when she lived in DC. She used the public
transportation all the time. We parked the cars and rode the busses and
subways when we visited - no problems.

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


Easy:Give him is choice:

1. Two feet, possibly mit shoes
2.   Hybrid Pedipowered organic green urban vehicle   (embraced by the
siyerrra club, pita, animal liberation army, mao, che, the castro brothers,
hugo, and many other tip cup dictators.)
3.   Rusted out 240D powered by homebrew BioD.  This also doubles as the
fry oil collection device.
4.  Rusted out 115 220D or 240D.  (See above)


OK, then omit the homebrew bioD.  Let him buy fuel.

A focus or other mazda might be a good fifth choice.  Mazda is pretty 
much as relaible as a toada, but with out the arrogant stealership 
and self righteous owners, and generally at a lower price.


You might pick up a impala or taurus or buik for pretty good money. 
they are transport appliances.


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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Allan Streib]

Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> writes:

> You might pick up a impala or taurus or buik for pretty good money. 
> they are transport appliances.

Best place to look for a low-mileage Buick is probably an estate sale,
unless the estate sale is happening because a geriatric driver crashed
his Buick.

Buick Century: named for the average age of its owners.

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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Rick Knoble]

On Nov 29, 2012, at 11:17 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:

> Best place to look for a low-mileage Buick is probably an estate sale,


They are very popular with urban crowd also. They like to install Wilton's 
favorite wheels on them. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Craig]

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:37:23 -0600 Rick Knoble 
wrote:

> On Nov 29, 2012, at 11:17 PM, "Allan Streib" 
> wrote:
> 
> > Best place to look for a low-mileage Buick is probably an estate sale,
> 
> 
> They are very popular with urban crowd also. They like to install
> Wilton's favorite wheels on them. 

Speaking of which, I saw a car today with 245/30ZR20 tires on it. It
looked rather odd. The outer diameter was about what I have on our '95
E320, 205/55R16, and what would have been stock, 195/65R15


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:
Well the problem I believe is that the public transpo might not go to 
the places he needs to go at the times he would need to go there, in a 
"safe" and timely fashion.  He actually has little interest in a car 
other than for this purpose as described below.  He has been getting 
around by shank's mare, a bike, and the Metro, and he is content with 
that, mostly.




I can remember, years ago, somebody racing across DC on a bike against Don 
Garlits in a car. The cyclist won.


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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Benz Hogs]

I do that here in Chicago all the time during rush hour.  Pass a line of 
20 cars waiting for a stop light or stop sign.  Maybe 3-5 pass me before 
the next stop, especially when I can get behind a larger vehicle and 
draft at 28-35mph.


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
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On 11/30/2012 5:07 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Rich Thomas wrote:

Well the problem I believe is that the public transpo might not go to
the places he needs to go at the times he would need to go there, in a
"safe" and timely fashion.  He actually has little interest in a car
other than for this purpose as described below.  He has been getting
around by shank's mare, a bike, and the Metro, and he is content with
that, mostly.



I can remember, years ago, somebody racing across DC on a bike against
Don Garlits in a car. The cyclist won.



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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Tim C]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

>
> I can remember, years ago, somebody racing across DC on a bike against Don
> Garlits in a car. The cyclist won.


It gets cold in DC, at least for someone coming from the Carolinas.
 They've got Capital Bikeshare but after you've been working for 16 hours
you probably aren't fit to deal with it.

IMO, as a person who has trouble parking, a classic American sedan is too
big to drive in DC.

I liked my '94 Mazda well enough, and the '02 Focus was okay.  Maybe he
could use a small pickup, might be a way to kill two birds with one stone
if you have need of a pickup... :)

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Nov 29, 2012 2:42 PM, "Donald Snook"  wrote:
>
> An older Buick.  ANY GM car with
>the 3.8L V6.

Except '97-'00 with the problematic intake manifolds, right?

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Randy Bennell]

On 30/11/2012 11:25 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Nov 29, 2012 2:42 PM, "Donald Snook"  wrote:

An older Buick.  ANY GM car with
the 3.8L V6.

Except '97-'00 with the problematic intake manifolds, right?

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Donald Snook]

Alex wrote: "Except '97-'00 with the problematic intake manifolds, right?"

I cannot imagine that there is one on the road with the original intake.  Most 
of them failed years ago.  But, yes, that is the one problem with that engine 
and only for those years.

Now, here is a great car and its CHEAP.

http://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/3444307744.html

A water pump isn't even that hard to put on these cars.   I had a 1990 Lesabre. 
 I sold it to my neighbor a few years ago.  It has over 225,000 miles on it 
now.  He loves it.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Randy Bennell]

Is there any easy way to tell if it has had the intake done? Is the 
replacement different in some manner than the original>


How are they for rust? I have a friend who had a couple of these in the 
past and he complained about rust in the bottom of the doors if I recall 
correctly.
Also had issues with the chrome plating on the aluminum wheels causing 
issues. Would come loose and flake and then the tires would lose air.


Randy

On 30/11/2012 2:00 PM, Donald Snook wrote:

Alex wrote: "Except '97-'00 with the problematic intake manifolds, right?"

I cannot imagine that there is one on the road with the original intake.  Most 
of them failed years ago.  But, yes, that is the one problem with that engine 
and only for those years.

Now, here is a great car and its CHEAP.

http://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/3444307744.html

A water pump isn't even that hard to put on these cars.   I had a 1990 Lesabre. 
 I sold it to my neighbor a few years ago.  It has over 225,000 miles on it 
now.  He loves it.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Rich Thomas]

When you get tired of your Camry let me know.   That does look like a 
good deal, but I am thinking that everything else will start failing on 
something that old.


--R

On 11/30/12 3:00 PM, Donald Snook wrote:

Alex wrote: "Except '97-'00 with the problematic intake manifolds, right?"

I cannot imagine that there is one on the road with the original intake.  Most 
of them failed years ago.  But, yes, that is the one problem with that engine 
and only for those years.

Now, here is a great car and its CHEAP.

http://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/3444307744.html

A water pump isn't even that hard to put on these cars.   I had a 1990 Lesabre. 
 I sold it to my neighbor a few years ago.  It has over 225,000 miles on it 
now.  He loves it.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[andrew strasfogel]

If he only needs wheels intermittently one of the car sharing services
such as Zipcars might be more cost effective,.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Alex Chamberlain
 wrote:
> On Nov 29, 2012 2:42 PM, "Donald Snook"  wrote:
>>
>> An older Buick.  ANY GM car with
>>the 3.8L V6.
>
> Except '97-'00 with the problematic intake manifolds, right?
>
> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Rich Thomas]

I liked your offer for livery service for when the TD was not up to the 
task.  My guess is he will be going around at odd hours on various days 
for various lengths of time, so having his own ride is probably the best 
idea.


I took a look at CL this morning, and there were 2 or 3 not bad looking 
8-10 yr old Foci in decent neighborhoods, and a coupla Buicks, for not a 
lot of money.  Surprisingly not that many ricers. I'm thinking about the 
Foci given the rave reviews for them.


--R
On 12/1/12 4:04 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

If he only needs wheels intermittently one of the car sharing services
such as Zipcars might be more cost effective,.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Alex Chamberlain
 wrote:

On Nov 29, 2012 2:42 PM, "Donald Snook"  wrote:

An older Buick.  ANY GM car with
the 3.8L V6.

Except '97-'00 with the problematic intake manifolds, right?

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[andrew strasfogel]

I though Foci was an Italian chocolate hazelnut treat.

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Rich Thomas
 wrote:
> I liked your offer for livery service for when the TD was not up to the
> task.  My guess is he will be going around at odd hours on various days for
> various lengths of time, so having his own ride is probably the best idea.
>
> I took a look at CL this morning, and there were 2 or 3 not bad looking 8-10
> yr old Foci in decent neighborhoods, and a coupla Buicks, for not a lot of
> money.  Surprisingly not that many ricers. I'm thinking about the Foci given
> the rave reviews for them.
>
> --R
> On 12/1/12 4:04 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>>
>> If he only needs wheels intermittently one of the car sharing services
>> such as Zipcars might be more cost effective,.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Alex Chamberlain
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2012 2:42 PM, "Donald Snook"  wrote:

 An older Buick.  ANY GM car with
 the 3.8L V6.
>>>
>>> Except '97-'00 with the problematic intake manifolds, right?
>>>
>>> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Rick Knoble]

> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 18:07:56 -0500
> From: richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy
> 
> 
> I took a look at CL this morning, and there were 2 or 3 not bad looking 
> 8-10 yr old Foci in decent neighborhoods, and a coupla Buicks, for not a 
> lot of money.  Surprisingly not that many ricers. I'm thinking about the 
> Foci given the rave reviews for them.

I usually look here to see how well a car holds up. 

http://www.carcomplaints.com/

http://www.carcomplaints.com/Ford/Focus/

I can vouch that the 2003 is a POS. 2006 Looks pretty good.

Rick
  
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Dan Penoff]

The "Key stuck in the ignition" was a known issue that Ford won't acknowledge.  
Much like the failed lock cylinder in a 123, the key and ignition cylinder 
freeze up, and there's not a lot that can be done short of replacement.  From 
my research this was an issue from 2001 through 2004-5.

Neither of my cars have experienced it, but they were both dealer maintained 
prior to our ownership, so if it happened it was dealt with.

Only other issue I saw a lot of and have experienced myself in my 2004 ZTW is 
the CEL glowing ever so slightly.  It's a problem with the controller in the 
instrument cluster, but doesn't affect the function of the light.  The easy fix 
is to simply ignore it.  Ford will replace the whole cluster to fix the problem 
if you take it in to the dealership.  This is also one of those "known 
problems" that they refuse to address if it's out of warranty.

A lot of (good) changes took place in MY 2005, so given the choice, I would 
stick to a 2005 or newer.

Dan


On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

> 
>> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 18:07:56 -0500
>> From: richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy
>> 
>> 
>> I took a look at CL this morning, and there were 2 or 3 not bad looking 
>> 8-10 yr old Foci in decent neighborhoods, and a coupla Buicks, for not a 
>> lot of money.  Surprisingly not that many ricers. I'm thinking about the 
>> Foci given the rave reviews for them.
> 
> I usually look here to see how well a car holds up. 
> 
> http://www.carcomplaints.com/
> 
> http://www.carcomplaints.com/Ford/Focus/
> 
> I can vouch that the 2003 is a POS. 2006 Looks pretty good.
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Donald Snook]

Randy wrote: "Is there any easy way to tell if it has had the intake done? Is 
the replacement different in some manner than the original.  How are they for 
rust? I have a friend who had a couple of these in the past and he complained 
about rust in the bottom of the doors if I recall correctly. Also had issues 
with the chrome plating on the aluminum wheels causing issues. Would come loose 
and flake and then the tires would lose air."

The first replacement part was plastic (as was the original), but it had 
slightly different shape and there was a metal ring that was supposed to keep 
it from getting hot and warping cracking.  So, if you find one with a plastic 
intake, it could be original or it could be the new design.  The best way to be 
safe is if the intake is aluminum, then you are good to go.  It is either the 
older design or the newest design to replace the replacement plastic intake.

So, if its plastic - be VERY careful.  If its aluminum, you are good.  As far 
as rusting, I have LOTS of GM cars and not a single one has rust issues.  BUT, 
we don't get that much salt in Missouri and Kansas and I was my car very 
frequently especially in the winter to prevent this.


Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Gerry Archer]

From: richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
I took a look at CL this morning, and there were 2 or 3 not bad looking
8-10 yr old Foci in decent neighborhoods, and a coupla Buicks, for not a
lot of money.  Surprisingly not that many ricers. I'm thinking about the
Foci given the rave reviews for them.


The local dealer is offering leases for new Toyota Corollas for $159 per 
month.  That amounts to about $6000 over the usual 36 month lease.  It's 
pretty well established that rice burners; especially Toyotas; don't have 
major repair issues compared to many other cars.
Not sure how the post-lease buyout works, but it would undoubtedly be 
cheaper than buying a new car.
If your son is starting third year med school, that would see him through 
graduation and his internship.  If he is starting a 4 year residency, he 
could do the buy-out for the fourth year.

Just a thought.
Gerry
'83 300D and 240D 



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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Allan Streib]

Dan Penoff  writes:

> The "Key stuck in the ignition" was a known issue that Ford won't
> acknowledge.

Yeah we had that happen with our '02 Focus. Forgot about that.  Not
stuck in the cylinder but cylinder jammed, would not turn.  Had to have
car towed to dealer.  Somehow they were able to fix it without taking
explosives to the lock cylinder... so it must not be as robust as the MB
setup.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Allan Streib]

Watch the mileage limits.  Leases are generally not the best deal for
the consumer.  But they might make sense under certain circumstances.

Gerry Archer  writes:

> The local dealer is offering leases for new Toyota Corollas for $159 per 
> month.  That amounts to about $6000 over the usual 36 month lease.  It's 
> pretty well established that rice burners; especially Toyotas; don't have 
> major repair issues compared to many other cars.
> Not sure how the post-lease buyout works, but it would undoubtedly be 
> cheaper than buying a new car.
> If your son is starting third year med school, that would see him through 
> graduation and his internship.  If he is starting a 4 year residency, he 
> could do the buy-out for the fourth year.
> Just a thought.
> Gerry
> '83 300D and 240D 
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Dan Penoff]

>From the research I did there appears to be some sort of a kit you can order 
>from the stealership that has all the pieces required to fix it. Never had to 
>do it with either of mine, so I can't speak from experience.

I did the fuel filter on my wagon today.  What  PITA.  Mainly because Ford uses 
these rinky-dink weird plastic clips for the unions between the solid lines and 
the fuel filter - sort of a hose clamp arrangement that doesn't require a clamp 
in the sense that we are familiar with.

They are far from intuitive when it comes to figuring out how to release them.  
Had I not watched a YouTube video of someone doing the work prior to trying it 
myself I probably would have broken them.  The worst part is that Ford 
positions a couple of the clips/clamps so they are turned away from the outside 
of the car, so releasing them is a real bitch.

Thankfully I knew what it took and had a dental pick that is "U" shaped and 
allowed me to get at the clip and release it without too much trouble.

It was still a pain in the ass.  I should have checked with the dealer on the 
cost to do it.  Might have been easier to have them do it.

Dan


On Dec 2, 2012, at 6:10 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> Dan Penoff  writes:
> 
>> The "Key stuck in the ignition" was a known issue that Ford won't
>> acknowledge.
> 
> Yeah we had that happen with our '02 Focus. Forgot about that.  Not
> stuck in the cylinder but cylinder jammed, would not turn.  Had to have
> car towed to dealer.  Somehow they were able to fix it without taking
> explosives to the lock cylinder... so it must not be as robust as the MB
> setup.
> 
> Allan
> 
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Dan Penoff]

I would think if all he's doing is running around DC between home and hospitals 
it's unlikely that he would rack up lots of miles.  That being said, some of 
the low cost entry leases have really low mileage limits, too, so it's 
certainly something you want to look at carefully if you go that route.

Dan


On Dec 2, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> Watch the mileage limits.  Leases are generally not the best deal for
> the consumer.  But they might make sense under certain circumstances.
> 
> Gerry Archer  writes:
> 
>> The local dealer is offering leases for new Toyota Corollas for $159 per 
>> month.  That amounts to about $6000 over the usual 36 month lease.  It's 
>> pretty well established that rice burners; especially Toyotas; don't have 
>> major repair issues compared to many other cars.
>> Not sure how the post-lease buyout works, but it would undoubtedly be 
>> cheaper than buying a new car.
>> If your son is starting third year med school, that would see him through 
>> graduation and his internship.  If he is starting a 4 year residency, he 
>> could do the buy-out for the fourth year.
>> Just a thought.
>> Gerry
>> '83 300D and 240D 
>> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Mitch Haley]

Dan Penoff wrote:


Thankfully I knew what it took and had a dental pick that is "U" shaped and 
allowed me to get at the clip and release it without too much trouble.


Does it take one of these?

http://www.harborfreight.com/4-piece-fuel-and-auto-trans-line-disconnect-tool-set-96834.html

http://www.harborfreight.com/6-piece-fuel-line-and-a-c-quick-disconnect-tool-97576.html

http://www.harborfreight.com/3-piece-quick-disconnect-tool-set-38732.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[WILTON]

Anything to make the user hafta go to the stealer, huh?

Wilton

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Dan Penoff wrote:

Thankfully I knew what it took and had a dental pick that is "U" shaped 
and allowed me to get at the clip and release it without too much 
trouble.


Does it take one of these?

http://www.harborfreight.com/4-piece-fuel-and-auto-trans-line-disconnect-tool-set-96834.html

http://www.harborfreight.com/6-piece-fuel-line-and-a-c-quick-disconnect-tool-97576.html

http://www.harborfreight.com/3-piece-quick-disconnect-tool-set-38732.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT -- a car for the boy

[Dan Penoff]

No, but I know what those are for.

It doesn't take a special tool.  It's a "U" shaped white plastic clip that 
locks into the body of a connector, for lack of a better description.  Here is 
an eBay auction for some:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Fuel-Line-Retainer-Clips-For-5-16-Fuel-line-25-/160620674369

You can't pry on the large tab, you have to get into the body of the connector 
and release the "legs" to get them out. It appears that they lock in the 
retaining ring that is formed in the metal lines on the fuel lines and filter.  
The connectors have O rings inside of them to seal the lines - the clips appear 
to keep the line or filter pipe from sliding out of the connector.

Here is a picture of the clips and connector:

http://www.2carpros.com/questions/ford-ranger-2003-ford-ranger-fuel-filter-replacement

Dan



On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> Dan Penoff wrote:
> 
>> Thankfully I knew what it took and had a dental pick that is "U" shaped and 
>> allowed me to get at the clip and release it without too much trouble.
> 
> Does it take one of these?
> 
> http://www.harborfreight.com/4-piece-fuel-and-auto-trans-line-disconnect-tool-set-96834.html
> 
> http://www.harborfreight.com/6-piece-fuel-line-and-a-c-quick-disconnect-tool-97576.html
> 
> http://www.harborfreight.com/3-piece-quick-disconnect-tool-set-38732.html
> 
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