Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:53:37 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The well at the Ranch is 980 ft with sweet water, I've had it tested
> and it tests way cleaner than city water, without anything done to it.

Congratulations!


> The water tanks sit on the side of a little mountain behind the house
> about 400 ft altitude, so gravity water pressure is plenty good.

Indeed! 173 psi is plenty good!


> Showers are "Navy submarine style", you turn on the water, wet yourself
> down, soap up, turn off the shower head [ball valve at the head so
> settings are preserved]

I installed a thermostatic mixing valve in the feed line to our shower
to do the same and also minimize the water used to find the proper
temperature and flow. Only one knob of the shower valves is active, so
all one can do is turn it on and off.


> Many use food grade plastic tanks in steel cages at 275 gallons, which
> fit nicely in the bed of a pickup and "make a load"... 

Many people around here, where there is no water no matter how deep you
drill do exactly that. We are fortunate to have a well to supply our
hand-washing, toilet-flushing, and shower water; we buy 1 gallon jugs of
drinking water at our supermarket in Edgewood.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[Clay via Mercedes]

house I lived in while in Guatemala back in the day had a 1k gallon below 
ground tank that accepted city water during the rains, but too small for the 
dry season.  We installed a pair of 5k above ground tanks and the firetruck 
would stop by at least once a month to top them off.


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> On Mar 19, 2021, at 8:05 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Heh. Most of the houses I’ve seen tanks in have 1000 gallon tanks, and often 
> more than one. I’ve wondered what that sort of load is like on the floor in 
> the basements? That’s four tons of weight in a fairly small area.
> 
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I was thinking the water would move around a lot. I suspect "real" tanks for 
this kind of purpose have all sorts of baffles built in to prevent issues. 
Strapping just any old tank onto a utility trailer is "Shaking hands with 
danger!" Sorry, couldn't help myself. ;)
Seriously though, there is a right way and a wrong way to do things and when it 
comes to vehicles most people are as dumb as bricks...
-Curt

On Friday, March 19, 2021, 3:21:13 PM EDT, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Like flight line fuel trucks, you want to haul full or empty so the CG stays
where is belongs.

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From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 3:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

> max out with a 500 gallon trailer mounted tank [near dangerous load]

That's only about 4200#, about what a car weighs.  Any reasonable pickup
truck should be able to do better than that, assuming the water
trailer has brakes.  1000 gallons seems highly plausible to me.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Like flight line fuel trucks, you want to haul full or empty so the CG stays
where is belongs.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 3:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

> max out with a 500 gallon trailer mounted tank [near dangerous load]

That's only about 4200#, about what a car weighs.  Any reasonable pickup
truck should be able to do better than that, assuming the water
trailer has brakes.   1000 gallons seems highly plausible to me.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> max out with a 500 gallon trailer mounted tank [near dangerous load]

That's only about 4200#, about what a car weighs.  Any reasonable
pickup truck should be able to do better than that, assuming the water
trailer has brakes.   1000 gallons seems highly plausible to me.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've been thinking a lot lately about "modern time saving conveniences" and how 
many people still complain about not having any time. 

It takes me a minute and a half to hand grind my coffee beans in the morning, 
that's how I have time to think about these things.
-Curt

On Friday, March 19, 2021, 2:54:32 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Living off grid requires adjustment to your city living lifestyle. However,
with just a small change, it is worth the effort.
The well at the Ranch is 980 ft with sweet water, I've had it tested and it
tests way cleaner than city water, without anything done to it.
The water tanks sit on the side of a little mountain behind the house about
400 ft altitude, so gravity water pressure is plenty good. The 4 tanks are
5,000 each, for a capacity of 20,000 gallons possible storage. I use an
engine driven 2 inch pump to push the water up the mountain when pumping
water, and a diesel generator to provide 220 v to run the submerged well
pump, so pumping water takes a little effort to get all the machinery
operating in sequence. The tanks fill one at a time, with each one
connected to a manifold for total control of what goes in, and what comes
out. All with 2 inch ball valves.
Normal months usage, with guests, who have been "ranch trained" is around
1,500 gallons. That is normal toilet flushes, dishwashing, laundry, and
showers included.
Showers are "Navy submarine style", you turn on the water, wet yourself
down, soap up, turn off the shower head [ball valve at the head so settings
are preserved] , scrub down, flip the ball valve back on and rinse. That
system conserves a lot of water, both cold and hot.
To date, I have never emptied more than one of the tanks in a month of use,
but the other 3 remain filled as my backup reserve [it's the desert after
all, things can happen, and it's a long way to town.]

A lot of folks that live off the grid live quite well hauling water, or
paying someone to haul their water. Those that haul their own, that I've
seen, usually max out with a 500 gallon trailer mounted tank [near
dangerous load] if they have a truck heavy enough to pull and stop the
weight.  Many use food grade plastic tanks in steel cages at 275 gallons,
which fit nicely in the bed of a pickup and "make a load"... [avoid sudden
stops and turns]. Every time they go to town for supplies, they top off the
water tank and replenish that way.

Good luck, drive and load smart, you'll be OK.
Grant
  
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Living off grid requires adjustment to your city living lifestyle. However,
with just a small change, it is worth the effort.
The well at the Ranch is 980 ft with sweet water, I've had it tested and it
tests way cleaner than city water, without anything done to it.
The water tanks sit on the side of a little mountain behind the house about
400 ft altitude, so gravity water pressure is plenty good. The 4 tanks are
5,000 each, for a capacity of 20,000 gallons possible storage. I use an
engine driven 2 inch pump to push the water up the mountain when pumping
water, and a diesel generator to provide 220 v to run the submerged well
pump, so pumping water takes a little effort to get all the machinery
operating in sequence. The tanks fill one at a time, with each one
connected to a manifold for total control of what goes in, and what comes
out. All with 2 inch ball valves.
Normal months usage, with guests, who have been "ranch trained" is around
1,500 gallons. That is normal toilet flushes, dishwashing, laundry, and
showers included.
Showers are "Navy submarine style", you turn on the water, wet yourself
down, soap up, turn off the shower head [ball valve at the head so settings
are preserved] , scrub down, flip the ball valve back on and rinse. That
system conserves a lot of water, both cold and hot.
To date, I have never emptied more than one of the tanks in a month of use,
but the other 3 remain filled as my backup reserve [it's the desert after
all, things can happen, and it's a long way to town.]

A lot of folks that live off the grid live quite well hauling water, or
paying someone to haul their water. Those that haul their own, that I've
seen, usually max out with a 500 gallon trailer mounted tank [near
dangerous load] if they have a truck heavy enough to pull and stop the
weight.  Many use food grade plastic tanks in steel cages at 275 gallons,
which fit nicely in the bed of a pickup and "make a load"... [avoid sudden
stops and turns]. Every time they go to town for supplies, they top off the
water tank and replenish that way.

Good luck, drive and load smart, you'll be OK.
Grant

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 8:46 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Oops, sorry. I was assuming that you would need 1000 gallon deliveries on
> the regular. The weekly 100 gallon hauls would be just to extend that.
> -Curt
>
> On Friday, March 19, 2021, 11:41:57 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  I use somewhere on average of 3,000 gallons/month here. That's a lot
> more than I'd want to haul in a pickup truck. Of course you could
> economize somewhat, but getting down to 100g/week would take some
> extreme changes.
>
> Allan
>
> Curt Raymond  writes:
>
> > 100 gallons = 800#, a good load in a 1/2 ton pickup with it sloshing
> around.
> >
> > Start with a 1000 gallon delivery from a pro and then haul 100 gallons
> yourself
> > every week to supplement?
> >
> > And I thought hauling water 100 feet from the pond to the camp was a
> hassle.
> > Actually the worst thing there was straining and boiling. The rain
> barrel is a
> > big improvement: https://photos.app.goo.gl/bqpqkmrpLd6m3fUg7
> >
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Oops, sorry. I was assuming that you would need 1000 gallon deliveries on the 
regular. The weekly 100 gallon hauls would be just to extend that.
-Curt

On Friday, March 19, 2021, 11:41:57 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I use somewhere on average of 3,000 gallons/month here. That's a lot
more than I'd want to haul in a pickup truck. Of course you could
economize somewhat, but getting down to 100g/week would take some
extreme changes.

Allan

Curt Raymond  writes:

> 100 gallons = 800#, a good load in a 1/2 ton pickup with it sloshing around.
>
> Start with a 1000 gallon delivery from a pro and then haul 100 gallons 
> yourself
> every week to supplement?
>
> And I thought hauling water 100 feet from the pond to the camp was a hassle.
> Actually the worst thing there was straining and boiling. The rain barrel is a
> big improvement: https://photos.app.goo.gl/bqpqkmrpLd6m3fUg7
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I use somewhere on average of 3,000 gallons/month here. That's a lot
more than I'd want to haul in a pickup truck. Of course you could
economize somewhat, but getting down to 100g/week would take some
extreme changes.

Allan

Curt Raymond  writes:

> 100 gallons = 800#, a good load in a 1/2 ton pickup with it sloshing around.
>
> Start with a 1000 gallon delivery from a pro and then haul 100 gallons 
> yourself
> every week to supplement?
>
> And I thought hauling water 100 feet from the pond to the camp was a hassle.
> Actually the worst thing there was straining and boiling. The rain barrel is a
> big improvement: https://photos.app.goo.gl/bqpqkmrpLd6m3fUg7
>
> -Curt

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[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

When our well pump broke we had to have water trucked in.  2,500 gallon cistern
that is normally filled from the well.  Truck held more than that, we just had 
them dump
the rest on the lawn.

-- Jim


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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 100 gallons = 800#, a good load in a 1/2 ton pickup with it sloshing around.
Start with a 1000 gallon delivery from a pro and then haul 100 gallons yourself 
every week to supplement?
And I thought hauling water 100 feet from the pond to the camp was a hassle. 
Actually the worst thing there was straining and boiling. The rain barrel is a 
big improvement: https://photos.app.goo.gl/bqpqkmrpLd6m3fUg7

-Curt

On Friday, March 19, 2021, 11:24:50 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Yeah I've known people who didn't have utility water service and had to
haul it in. It quickly becomes a PITA especially if you're hauling it
yourself in small quantities (i.e. a tank in the bed of a pick-up
truck).

Allan

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> Honey, while you're out can you pick up some potatoes,  some beer, a 
> gallon of milk, and 500 gallons of water?  Thanks!
>
> --FT
>
> On 3/19/21 10:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Agreed.
>>
>> Trucking water is quite common in the area and is regulated by the County. 
>> The water plant where my son is an operator has a fill station for both the 
>> commercial haulers as well as private citizens who haul their own water. Not 
>> sure of the cost, but it’s no doubt cheaper than sinking a well.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>> On Mar 19, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Meade Dillon via 
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>>
>>> Although trucking in your water is a dependency, it is probably very
>>> economical compared to $100k for a well.
>>>
>>> DIY with a water tank trailer?
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yeah I've known people who didn't have utility water service and had to
haul it in. It quickly becomes a PITA especially if you're hauling it
yourself in small quantities (i.e. a tank in the bed of a pick-up
truck).

Allan

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> Honey, while you're out can you pick up some potatoes,  some beer, a 
> gallon of milk, and 500 gallons of water?  Thanks!
>
> --FT
>
> On 3/19/21 10:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Agreed.
>>
>> Trucking water is quite common in the area and is regulated by the County. 
>> The water plant where my son is an operator has a fill station for both the 
>> commercial haulers as well as private citizens who haul their own water. Not 
>> sure of the cost, but it’s no doubt cheaper than sinking a well.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>> On Mar 19, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Meade Dillon via 
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>>
>>> Although trucking in your water is a dependency, it is probably very
>>> economical compared to $100k for a well.
>>>
>>> DIY with a water tank trailer?
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>

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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

But it's a dry load

--FT

On 3/19/21 11:05 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Heh. Most of the houses I’ve seen tanks in have 1000 gallon tanks, and often 
more than one. I’ve wondered what that sort of load is like on the floor in the 
basements? That’s four tons of weight in a fairly small area.

-D


On Mar 19, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Honey, while you're out can you pick up some potatoes,  some beer, a gallon of 
milk, and 500 gallons of water?  Thanks!

--FT

On 3/19/21 10:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Agreed.

Trucking water is quite common in the area and is regulated by the County. The 
water plant where my son is an operator has a fill station for both the 
commercial haulers as well as private citizens who haul their own water. Not 
sure of the cost, but it’s no doubt cheaper than sinking a well.

-D


On Mar 19, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
wrote:

Although trucking in your water is a dependency, it is probably very
economical compared to $100k for a well.

DIY with a water tank trailer?
-
Max
Charleston SC

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Heh. Most of the houses I’ve seen tanks in have 1000 gallon tanks, and often 
more than one. I’ve wondered what that sort of load is like on the floor in the 
basements? That’s four tons of weight in a fairly small area.

-D

> On Mar 19, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Honey, while you're out can you pick up some potatoes,  some beer, a gallon 
> of milk, and 500 gallons of water?  Thanks!
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 3/19/21 10:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Agreed.
>> 
>> Trucking water is quite common in the area and is regulated by the County. 
>> The water plant where my son is an operator has a fill station for both the 
>> commercial haulers as well as private citizens who haul their own water. Not 
>> sure of the cost, but it’s no doubt cheaper than sinking a well.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 19, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Meade Dillon via 
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Although trucking in your water is a dependency, it is probably very
>>> economical compared to $100k for a well.
>>> 
>>> DIY with a water tank trailer?
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
> 
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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Honey, while you're out can you pick up some potatoes,  some beer, a 
gallon of milk, and 500 gallons of water?  Thanks!


--FT

On 3/19/21 10:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Agreed.

Trucking water is quite common in the area and is regulated by the County. The 
water plant where my son is an operator has a fill station for both the 
commercial haulers as well as private citizens who haul their own water. Not 
sure of the cost, but it’s no doubt cheaper than sinking a well.

-D


On Mar 19, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
wrote:

Although trucking in your water is a dependency, it is probably very
economical compared to $100k for a well.

DIY with a water tank trailer?
-
Max
Charleston SC


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On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 10:44:36 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Agreed.
> 
> Trucking water is quite common in the area and is regulated by the
> County. The water plant where my son is an operator has a fill station
> for both the commercial haulers as well as private citizens who haul
> their own water. Not sure of the cost, but it’s no doubt cheaper than
> sinking a well.

And maybe, if it is like here, when you do sink a well, the water is
terrible.


Craig

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed.

Trucking water is quite common in the area and is regulated by the County. The 
water plant where my son is an operator has a fill station for both the 
commercial haulers as well as private citizens who haul their own water. Not 
sure of the cost, but it’s no doubt cheaper than sinking a well.

-D

> On Mar 19, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Although trucking in your water is a dependency, it is probably very
> economical compared to $100k for a well.
> 
> DIY with a water tank trailer?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 12:14 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have a coworker that purchased 40 acres off grid in AZ several years
>> ago. He is retiring to there later this year. His water is trucked in on
>> tank trucks.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Although trucking in your water is a dependency, it is probably very
economical compared to $100k for a well.

DIY with a water tank trailer?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 12:14 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have a coworker that purchased 40 acres off grid in AZ several years
> ago. He is retiring to there later this year. His water is trucked in on
> tank trucks.
>
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[Clay via Mercedes]

Too small for SWMBA to cover.  Her deals are for mines and oil field real 
property deals.  Selling a house bewilders her.  As for effort, I can spruce up 
the place a bit.  Doing “business” is outside my bailiwick.  Tend to be a bit 
acerbic and terse when dealing with standard humans.  Best that a glad handler 
provide smooth interactions.   Recent adverse event is pointing to early onset 
mental decline.  Simpler for long distance deal having intermediary once the 
place is cleared out and minor fixes applied


clay 

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> On Mar 17, 2021, at 1:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Flat fee service if that works for you. We’ve sold a couple of homes this way 
> when we wanted to be on MLS. Around $500 for the selling broker, you 
> determine the buyer’s broker’s commission - we usually pay 2%, which no one 
> has yet to turn their nose up at. The listing broker handles all of the 
> showings, scheduling, contracts, etc., you literally do nothing but get the 
> place ready to show.
> 
> In your market if you’re willing to invest the time, I would consider FSBO if 
> you’re looking to net the maximum out of the sale. It involves a lot more 
> effort on your part, but the proceeds that you would net by doing so would be 
> considerable considering the selling price of the home.
> 
> In your market you’ll also want to list “as-is”, meaning that’s how the 
> buyers are getting the property, you’re doing nothing in the way of repairs 
> or fixing up. As hot as your market is, people will still go for it and pass 
> on any inspections or remediations if something is found that isn’t a major 
> issue, like structural or something to that effect.
> 
> If you go FSBO find a good real estate attorney to handle the transaction. 
> Money well spent. Might cost you a grand or two at most, I’m guessing. Having 
> an attorney do everything really greases the wheels and prevents any 
> dust-ups, as people are very reluctant to cause trouble when an attorney is 
> involved, especially at closing.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:28 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes what did Dan say about listing his old house? Flat fee listing service?
>> You definitely do not need the marketing help of an agent. Keep the 60k.
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 12:11 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I suggest a quiet sale, with no real estate brokers, go directly to the
>>> best title company in your area and pay no real estate broker fees, put it
>>> in your pocket instead. The title companies are the people that make it
>>> happen, with all the legal documents and whistles,  even if you use a real
>>> estate broker, you just pay them [in most cases] 6% of the sale price.
>>> 
>>> On a !,000,000+ property, that would build you a nice Mercedes garage at
>>> your new place... [Just a suggestion.]
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 9:29 AM Clay via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 There is a very soft “offer” floated this week of $1.1M prior to listing.
 Once it gets out into the MLS wilderness, then the circus begins and the
 six figure bumps kick in.  Up to SWMBA to decide if she wants three rings
 or a quiet sale
 
 Clay
 
 
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> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> If you're thinking of selling, sell now to the suckers fleeing from
> Cali. Get your money before the crash.
> 
> They are offering tens or hundreds of thousands over ask just to "avoid
> negotiations"
> 
> Allan
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 16:18:42 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> In your market if you’re willing to invest the time, I would consider
> FSBO if you’re looking to net the maximum out of the sale. It involves
> a lot more effort on your part, but the proceeds that you would net by
> doing so would be considerable considering the selling price of the
> home.

We sold our house in Los Alamos FSBO. The buyer and I walked into the
title company and they took it from there. It was quite a blessing and
much easier than having two real estate agents to be able to have him
call me and ask if he could park his car in the back of our 0.61 acre lot
a couple of weeks before closing and it was done when I said yes and our
asking to stay after closing until they moved in with him saying yes.
He commented after closing he really appreciated being able to talk
directly with me.

BTW, different areas of the country do things in exceedingly different
ways. From what Grant said, Arizona and New Mexico seem quite similar.
North Carolina, where I have been looking, is quite different and will
be a learning experience.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 They rotate plantings, potatoes are a major part of that but if you eat 
broccoli theres a good chance at least some of it comes from Aroostook county 
Maine. Broccoli is only once every 4 years though, otherwise mustard seeds 
build up and the plants are hard to get rid of. They also do peas and oats. I 
remember when I was a little lad going with my grandmother to pick peas on the 
edge of my uncle Mike's (my grandfather's brother) farm. We'd have "peas and 
beans and new potatoes" fresh peas, green beans from the garden and the tender 
first potatoes from late summer all boiled and mashed together in a bowl with a 
little milk, salt and pepper to taste.
"New potatoes" you see in the store are just small ones, the flavor of those 
early potatoes is amazing.

-Curt

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 5:23:02 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel 
 wrote:  
 
 Can you farm something besides trees? Or potatoes? 
On Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 4:39 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

 We bought the farm next door to our farm thus providing road frontage. The 
"new" farm has been actively farmed through last year and we'd like to continue 
that into the future. To help with that we're looking to merge some of the 
fields on the front of our existing farm with those of the new farm to make 
bigger fields. The farmers like bigger fields, less turning around with their 
big tractors.
The tree farm stays, that's on the backside of the existing farm.There are new 
pictures on Google for most of Maine including our farm: 
https://goo.gl/maps/xosuXYBEqEfLPMs19Its pretty easy to tell where we planted 
trees. You can also see our weird property line and where the first trees we 
planted didn't take well. Follow the field to the left and you'll find the 
pond, camp and 2 garages.We were actually at the camp when the picture was 
taken, you can see my silver pickup next to dad's Jeep at the camp. The builder 
had just finished the roof on the garage. A month later he put a car port on 
the west side that gives us 50% more space under roofing. We ordered the garage 
before we knew about the new farm...


The new house and barn are southwest of the camp:  
https://goo.gl/maps/HJFZghgjudTRsHGbA there are google street view pictures but 
they are a couple years old. 

-Curt

    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 3:57:18 PM EDT, Dwight Giles 
 wrote:  

 This is not the tree farm?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
On Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 3:36 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

 We had a lawyer do the whole transfer on the new farm. I think it cost all of 
$600. We did it all through the mail since Caribou is so far away...

-Curt

    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 3:11:52 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

 I suggest a quiet sale, with no real estate brokers, go directly to the
best title company in your area and pay no real estate broker fees, put it
in your pocket instead. The title companies are the people that make it
happen, with all the legal documents and whistles,  even if you use a real
estate broker, you just pay them [in most cases] 6% of the sale price.

On a !,000,000+ property, that would build you a nice Mercedes garage at
your new place... [Just a suggestion.]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 9:29 AM Clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> There is a very soft “offer” floated this week of $1.1M prior to listing.
> Once it gets out into the MLS wilderness, then the circus begins and the
> six figure bumps kick in.  Up to SWMBA to decide if she wants three rings
> or a quiet sale
>
> Clay
>
>
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
>
> > On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > If you're thinking of selling, sell now to the suckers fleeing from
> > Cali. Get your money before the crash.
> >
> > They are offering tens or hundreds of thousands over ask just to "avoid
> > negotiations"
> >
> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Sure, didn't you know about the herd of cats?

RB

On 17/03/2021 4:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Can you farm something besides trees? Or potatoes?

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 4:39 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


  We bought the farm next door to our farm thus providing road frontage.
The "new" farm has been actively farmed through last year and we'd like to
continue that into the future. To help with that we're looking to merge
some of the fields on the front of our existing farm with those of the new
farm to make bigger fields. The farmers like bigger fields, less turning
around with their big tractors.
The tree farm stays, that's on the backside of the existing farm.There are
new pictures on Google for most of Maine including our farm:
https://goo.gl/maps/xosuXYBEqEfLPMs19Its pretty easy to tell where we
planted trees. You can also see our weird property line and where the first
trees we planted didn't take well. Follow the field to the left and you'll
find the pond, camp and 2 garages.We were actually at the camp when the
picture was taken, you can see my silver pickup next to dad's Jeep at the
camp. The builder had just finished the roof on the garage. A month later
he put a car port on the west side that gives us 50% more space under
roofing. We ordered the garage before we knew about the new farm...


The new house and barn are southwest of the camp:
https://goo.gl/maps/HJFZghgjudTRsHGbA there are google street view
pictures but they are a couple years old.

-Curt

 On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 3:57:18 PM EDT, Dwight Giles <
dwight.gi...@gmail.com> wrote:

  This is not the tree farm?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
On Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 3:36 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

  We had a lawyer do the whole transfer on the new farm. I think it cost
all of $600. We did it all through the mail since Caribou is so far away...

-Curt

 On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 3:11:52 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

  I suggest a quiet sale, with no real estate brokers, go directly to the
best title company in your area and pay no real estate broker fees, put it
in your pocket instead. The title companies are the people that make it
happen, with all the legal documents and whistles,  even if you use a real
estate broker, you just pay them [in most cases] 6% of the sale price.

On a !,000,000+ property, that would build you a nice Mercedes garage at
your new place... [Just a suggestion.]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 9:29 AM Clay via Mercedes 
wrote:


There is a very soft “offer” floated this week of $1.1M prior to listing.
Once it gets out into the MLS wilderness, then the circus begins and the
six figure bumps kick in.  Up to SWMBA to decide if she wants three rings
or a quiet sale

Clay


inter urinas et faeces nascimur


On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

If you're thinking of selling, sell now to the suckers fleeing from
Cali. Get your money before the crash.

They are offering tens or hundreds of thousands over ask just to "avoid
negotiations"

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Can you farm something besides trees? Or potatoes?

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 4:39 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  We bought the farm next door to our farm thus providing road frontage.
> The "new" farm has been actively farmed through last year and we'd like to
> continue that into the future. To help with that we're looking to merge
> some of the fields on the front of our existing farm with those of the new
> farm to make bigger fields. The farmers like bigger fields, less turning
> around with their big tractors.
> The tree farm stays, that's on the backside of the existing farm.There are
> new pictures on Google for most of Maine including our farm:
> https://goo.gl/maps/xosuXYBEqEfLPMs19Its pretty easy to tell where we
> planted trees. You can also see our weird property line and where the first
> trees we planted didn't take well. Follow the field to the left and you'll
> find the pond, camp and 2 garages.We were actually at the camp when the
> picture was taken, you can see my silver pickup next to dad's Jeep at the
> camp. The builder had just finished the roof on the garage. A month later
> he put a car port on the west side that gives us 50% more space under
> roofing. We ordered the garage before we knew about the new farm...
>
>
> The new house and barn are southwest of the camp:
> https://goo.gl/maps/HJFZghgjudTRsHGbA there are google street view
> pictures but they are a couple years old.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 3:57:18 PM EDT, Dwight Giles <
> dwight.gi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  This is not the tree farm?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 3:36 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  We had a lawyer do the whole transfer on the new farm. I think it cost
> all of $600. We did it all through the mail since Caribou is so far away...
>
> -Curt
>
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 3:11:52 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  I suggest a quiet sale, with no real estate brokers, go directly to the
> best title company in your area and pay no real estate broker fees, put it
> in your pocket instead. The title companies are the people that make it
> happen, with all the legal documents and whistles,  even if you use a real
> estate broker, you just pay them [in most cases] 6% of the sale price.
>
> On a !,000,000+ property, that would build you a nice Mercedes garage at
> your new place... [Just a suggestion.]
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 9:29 AM Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > There is a very soft “offer” floated this week of $1.1M prior to listing.
> > Once it gets out into the MLS wilderness, then the circus begins and the
> > six figure bumps kick in.  Up to SWMBA to decide if she wants three rings
> > or a quiet sale
> >
> > Clay
> >
> >
> > inter urinas et faeces nascimur
> >
> > > On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you're thinking of selling, sell now to the suckers fleeing from
> > > Cali. Get your money before the crash.
> > >
> > > They are offering tens or hundreds of thousands over ask just to "avoid
> > > negotiations"
> > >
> > > Allan
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

And then some.  Not only does such an "education" show zero useful knowledge 
but also very poor judgement and poor work habits.  

I would hasten to add that some colleges still teach actual disciplines that 
are important in the real-world. But none of those important majors contain the 
words "comparative", "studies", or "gender."   Most of the important majors 
(except a few like genetics and computers) were major areas of study 100 years 
ago.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 10:01 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: G Mann 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

Do you mean that my 10 years of degrees and studies in the fine art of "Lesbian 
Underwater Basket Weaving" is worthless in the job market place and I will 
never be able to pay back the unforgiveable $400,000 in student loan debt from 
my job at Starbucks where my hours just got cut back to 15 hrs a week?

What will I do? Mom says I can't live in the basement and I'm not old enough to 
draw social security yet. Who will feed me?

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 10:13 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Given what's happening in "higher education" now, there may soon be a 
> time when a liberal arts degree is a mark of worthlessness, not 
> achievement.  I mean how worthless do you have to be to go tens of 
> thousands into debt to have your head poured full of useless crap?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 2:32 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate
>
> I recall when I was a kid my dad’s good friend he went to college 
> with, they were both electronics engineers, quit his job and went to 
> HVAC school for a coupla years. He worked his ass off night and day, 
> eventually had a really big business with several employees. Got tired 
> of Indiana winters so sold out for some very good money and moved to 
> Florida. They bought a plant store and landscaping business and made 
> huge money. Finally sold that and retired quite well. He must be 90-91 
> now, both he and his wife still doing well. Raised 3 or 4 kids too.
>
> Mike Rowe is all about this and makes huge sense in his efforts.
>
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 We bought the farm next door to our farm thus providing road frontage. The 
"new" farm has been actively farmed through last year and we'd like to continue 
that into the future. To help with that we're looking to merge some of the 
fields on the front of our existing farm with those of the new farm to make 
bigger fields. The farmers like bigger fields, less turning around with their 
big tractors.
The tree farm stays, that's on the backside of the existing farm.There are new 
pictures on Google for most of Maine including our farm: 
https://goo.gl/maps/xosuXYBEqEfLPMs19Its pretty easy to tell where we planted 
trees. You can also see our weird property line and where the first trees we 
planted didn't take well. Follow the field to the left and you'll find the 
pond, camp and 2 garages.We were actually at the camp when the picture was 
taken, you can see my silver pickup next to dad's Jeep at the camp. The builder 
had just finished the roof on the garage. A month later he put a car port on 
the west side that gives us 50% more space under roofing. We ordered the garage 
before we knew about the new farm...


The new house and barn are southwest of the camp:  
https://goo.gl/maps/HJFZghgjudTRsHGbA there are google street view pictures but 
they are a couple years old. 

-Curt

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 3:57:18 PM EDT, Dwight Giles 
 wrote:  
 
 This is not the tree farm?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
On Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 3:36 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

 We had a lawyer do the whole transfer on the new farm. I think it cost all of 
$600. We did it all through the mail since Caribou is so far away...

-Curt

    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 3:11:52 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

 I suggest a quiet sale, with no real estate brokers, go directly to the
best title company in your area and pay no real estate broker fees, put it
in your pocket instead. The title companies are the people that make it
happen, with all the legal documents and whistles,  even if you use a real
estate broker, you just pay them [in most cases] 6% of the sale price.

On a !,000,000+ property, that would build you a nice Mercedes garage at
your new place... [Just a suggestion.]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 9:29 AM Clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> There is a very soft “offer” floated this week of $1.1M prior to listing.
> Once it gets out into the MLS wilderness, then the circus begins and the
> six figure bumps kick in.  Up to SWMBA to decide if she wants three rings
> or a quiet sale
>
> Clay
>
>
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
>
> > On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > If you're thinking of selling, sell now to the suckers fleeing from
> > Cali. Get your money before the crash.
> >
> > They are offering tens or hundreds of thousands over ask just to "avoid
> > negotiations"
> >
> > Allan
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Flat fee service if that works for you. We’ve sold a couple of homes this way 
when we wanted to be on MLS. Around $500 for the selling broker, you determine 
the buyer’s broker’s commission - we usually pay 2%, which no one has yet to 
turn their nose up at. The listing broker handles all of the showings, 
scheduling, contracts, etc., you literally do nothing but get the place ready 
to show.

In your market if you’re willing to invest the time, I would consider FSBO if 
you’re looking to net the maximum out of the sale. It involves a lot more 
effort on your part, but the proceeds that you would net by doing so would be 
considerable considering the selling price of the home.

In your market you’ll also want to list “as-is”, meaning that’s how the buyers 
are getting the property, you’re doing nothing in the way of repairs or fixing 
up. As hot as your market is, people will still go for it and pass on any 
inspections or remediations if something is found that isn’t a major issue, 
like structural or something to that effect.

If you go FSBO find a good real estate attorney to handle the transaction. 
Money well spent. Might cost you a grand or two at most, I’m guessing. Having 
an attorney do everything really greases the wheels and prevents any dust-ups, 
as people are very reluctant to cause trouble when an attorney is involved, 
especially at closing.

-D

> On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:28 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes what did Dan say about listing his old house? Flat fee listing service?
> You definitely do not need the marketing help of an agent. Keep the 60k.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 12:11 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> I suggest a quiet sale, with no real estate brokers, go directly to the
>> best title company in your area and pay no real estate broker fees, put it
>> in your pocket instead. The title companies are the people that make it
>> happen, with all the legal documents and whistles,  even if you use a real
>> estate broker, you just pay them [in most cases] 6% of the sale price.
>> 
>> On a !,000,000+ property, that would build you a nice Mercedes garage at
>> your new place... [Just a suggestion.]
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 9:29 AM Clay via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> There is a very soft “offer” floated this week of $1.1M prior to listing.
>>> Once it gets out into the MLS wilderness, then the circus begins and the
>>> six figure bumps kick in.  Up to SWMBA to decide if she wants three rings
>>> or a quiet sale
>>> 
>>> Clay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
>>> 
 On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 If you're thinking of selling, sell now to the suckers fleeing from
 Cali. Get your money before the crash.
 
 They are offering tens or hundreds of thousands over ask just to "avoid
 negotiations"
 
 Allan
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[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

This is not the tree farm?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 3:36 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  We had a lawyer do the whole transfer on the new farm. I think it cost
> all of $600. We did it all through the mail since Caribou is so far away...
>
> -Curt
>
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 3:11:52 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  I suggest a quiet sale, with no real estate brokers, go directly to the
> best title company in your area and pay no real estate broker fees, put it
> in your pocket instead. The title companies are the people that make it
> happen, with all the legal documents and whistles,  even if you use a real
> estate broker, you just pay them [in most cases] 6% of the sale price.
>
> On a !,000,000+ property, that would build you a nice Mercedes garage at
> your new place... [Just a suggestion.]
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 9:29 AM Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > There is a very soft “offer” floated this week of $1.1M prior to listing.
> > Once it gets out into the MLS wilderness, then the circus begins and the
> > six figure bumps kick in.  Up to SWMBA to decide if she wants three rings
> > or a quiet sale
> >
> > Clay
> >
> >
> > inter urinas et faeces nascimur
> >
> > > On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you're thinking of selling, sell now to the suckers fleeing from
> > > Cali. Get your money before the crash.
> > >
> > > They are offering tens or hundreds of thousands over ask just to "avoid
> > > negotiations"
> > >
> > > Allan
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 We had a lawyer do the whole transfer on the new farm. I think it cost all of 
$600. We did it all through the mail since Caribou is so far away...

-Curt

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 3:11:52 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I suggest a quiet sale, with no real estate brokers, go directly to the
best title company in your area and pay no real estate broker fees, put it
in your pocket instead. The title companies are the people that make it
happen, with all the legal documents and whistles,  even if you use a real
estate broker, you just pay them [in most cases] 6% of the sale price.

On a !,000,000+ property, that would build you a nice Mercedes garage at
your new place... [Just a suggestion.]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 9:29 AM Clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> There is a very soft “offer” floated this week of $1.1M prior to listing.
> Once it gets out into the MLS wilderness, then the circus begins and the
> six figure bumps kick in.  Up to SWMBA to decide if she wants three rings
> or a quiet sale
>
> Clay
>
>
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
>
> > On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > If you're thinking of selling, sell now to the suckers fleeing from
> > Cali. Get your money before the crash.
> >
> > They are offering tens or hundreds of thousands over ask just to "avoid
> > negotiations"
> >
> > Allan
>
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[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes what did Dan say about listing his old house? Flat fee listing service?
You definitely do not need the marketing help of an agent. Keep the 60k.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 12:11 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I suggest a quiet sale, with no real estate brokers, go directly to the
> best title company in your area and pay no real estate broker fees, put it
> in your pocket instead. The title companies are the people that make it
> happen, with all the legal documents and whistles,  even if you use a real
> estate broker, you just pay them [in most cases] 6% of the sale price.
>
> On a !,000,000+ property, that would build you a nice Mercedes garage at
> your new place... [Just a suggestion.]
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 9:29 AM Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > There is a very soft “offer” floated this week of $1.1M prior to listing.
> > Once it gets out into the MLS wilderness, then the circus begins and the
> > six figure bumps kick in.  Up to SWMBA to decide if she wants three rings
> > or a quiet sale
> >
> > Clay
> >
> >
> > inter urinas et faeces nascimur
> >
> > > On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you're thinking of selling, sell now to the suckers fleeing from
> > > Cali. Get your money before the crash.
> > >
> > > They are offering tens or hundreds of thousands over ask just to "avoid
> > > negotiations"
> > >
> > > Allan
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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Better get ahead of this trend

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-shrinking-seattleites-moved-out-in-droves-in-2020-though-they-didnt-go-far/

--FT

On 3/17/21 12:53 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

Mo money, mo money. Make mad money then sponsor a posr-covid Maine Q that will 
rewrite the history books.

AZBob, who loves Maine, btw.

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On Mar 17, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
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Go for the money.  Prices _everywhere_ are going up, you'll need it.

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[G Mann via Mercedes]

I suggest a quiet sale, with no real estate brokers, go directly to the
best title company in your area and pay no real estate broker fees, put it
in your pocket instead. The title companies are the people that make it
happen, with all the legal documents and whistles,  even if you use a real
estate broker, you just pay them [in most cases] 6% of the sale price.

On a !,000,000+ property, that would build you a nice Mercedes garage at
your new place... [Just a suggestion.]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 9:29 AM Clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> There is a very soft “offer” floated this week of $1.1M prior to listing.
> Once it gets out into the MLS wilderness, then the circus begins and the
> six figure bumps kick in.  Up to SWMBA to decide if she wants three rings
> or a quiet sale
>
> Clay
>
>
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
>
> > On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > If you're thinking of selling, sell now to the suckers fleeing from
> > Cali. Get your money before the crash.
> >
> > They are offering tens or hundreds of thousands over ask just to "avoid
> > negotiations"
> >
> > Allan
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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Probably had a PhD in Medieval English Literature

--FT

On 3/17/21 2:05 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:


Note: Starbucks will be adding robot baristas as soon as the min wage
goes to $15, so you might want to go to trade school to learn how to
service robots.  That might conflict with your deeply-held beliefs
though, it would require showing up to work every day at a specific
time and you would need to pee in the bottle for a drugs test.  Plus
there would be performance expectations.

Heh I was in a Starbucks last year and there was a guy there repairing
one of the espresso machines. Those machines are of course the lifeblood
of the store so they can't not work. Talking with him it was clear he
was the highest paid person behind the counter.

Allan

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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Yup, the way the billing was structured if definitely incentivized them to 
cheat. I spent a significant portion of every day checking up on the call 
center to make sure we were getting what we were paying for.
-Curt

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 2:01:19 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Curt Raymond  writes:

> The call had been "answered" which we paid the call center a fee for,
> but they wouldn't be connected to a tech for 10 minutes. The call
> center wanted you to hang up and call back so they could get paid the
> connection fee again...

Yes you have to be careful with incentives. You will get for you pay
for, but you have to verify that it's really what you wanted.

Allan

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Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> Note: Starbucks will be adding robot baristas as soon as the min wage
> goes to $15, so you might want to go to trade school to learn how to
> service robots.  That might conflict with your deeply-held beliefs
> though, it would require showing up to work every day at a specific
> time and you would need to pee in the bottle for a drugs test.  Plus
> there would be performance expectations.

Heh I was in a Starbucks last year and there was a guy there repairing
one of the espresso machines. Those machines are of course the lifeblood
of the store so they can't not work. Talking with him it was clear he
was the highest paid person behind the counter.

Allan

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[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Curt Raymond  writes:

> The call had been "answered" which we paid the call center a fee for,
> but they wouldn't be connected to a tech for 10 minutes. The call
> center wanted you to hang up and call back so they could get paid the
> connection fee again...

Yes you have to be careful with incentives. You will get for you pay
for, but you have to verify that it's really what you wanted.

Allan

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[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Mo money, mo money. Make mad money then sponsor a posr-covid Maine Q that will 
rewrite the history books. 

AZBob, who loves Maine, btw. 

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> On Mar 17, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Go for the money.  Prices _everywhere_ are going up, you'll need it.
> 
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[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Go for the money.  Prices _everywhere_ are going up, you'll need it.

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[Clay via Mercedes]

There is a very soft “offer” floated this week of $1.1M prior to listing.  Once 
it gets out into the MLS wilderness, then the circus begins and the six figure 
bumps kick in.  Up to SWMBA to decide if she wants three rings or a quiet sale

Clay


inter urinas et faeces nascimur

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you're thinking of selling, sell now to the suckers fleeing from
> Cali. Get your money before the crash.
> 
> They are offering tens or hundreds of thousands over ask just to "avoid
> negotiations"
> 
> Allan

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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I have a coworker that purchased 40 acres off grid in AZ several years ago. He 
is retiring to there later this year. His water is trucked in on tank trucks.


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[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

You can see pretty clearly how the precip varies with altitude. Flagstaff
looks a lot like the Black Hills despite being much further South.

https://wrcc.dri.edu/Climate/precip_freq_map_show.php?simg=az100y6.gif

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 9:38 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
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> It must only rain in AZ and NM when I'm trying to fly over them .
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 10:50 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > OK Don via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> > > Does it ever rain in Arizona?
> >
> > I was just reading up on the Flagstaff climate, apparently they have a
> > monsoon season of sorts but otherwise it's pretty arid.
> >
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Grant. That pretty well matches up with what I’m hearing for a similar 
setup around Flagstaff. Youngest son says most of the city’s wells in the area 
are between 1,000 and 1,500 feet deep. One of the wells they have in the San 
Francisco mountains has a 36” casing! Imagine what it took to sink that one!

-D

> On Mar 17, 2021, at 10:28 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Welcome to Arizona, where "Whiskey is for drinking and Water is for
> fighting."
> 
> I have a well at the Ranch. It is 998 ft deep, with good water. Cost for
> the well, with pump and water tanks,  was just shy of $90,000. I look at it
> by comparing the monthly water bill for a city home, over 30 years, just
> all paid up front.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 7:15 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Correct. There is a monsoon season in the area and it’s quite real. Just
>> as with other arid parts of the country, these often result in flash
>> flooding and related fun. This is why it’s important to pay attention to
>> FEMA flood maps when looking at raw land, especially in the open meadows.
>> Water tends to run down the sides of the nearby mountains and end up in the
>> meadows, although it disperses rapidly. That’s of little comfort when the
>> initial blast is 3-4 feet of water in a matter of minutes.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:49 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK Don via Mercedes  writes:
>>> 
 Does it ever rain in Arizona?
>>> 
>>> I was just reading up on the Flagstaff climate, apparently they have a
>>> monsoon season of sorts but otherwise it's pretty arid.
>>> 
>>> Allan
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Winter is the wet season in the southwest.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 12:38 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> It must only rain in AZ and NM when I'm trying to fly over them .
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 10:50 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> > OK Don via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> > > Does it ever rain in Arizona?
> >
> > I was just reading up on the Flagstaff climate, apparently they have a
> > monsoon season of sorts but otherwise it's pretty arid.
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[G Mann via Mercedes]

Welcome to Arizona, where "Whiskey is for drinking and Water is for
fighting."

I have a well at the Ranch. It is 998 ft deep, with good water. Cost for
the well, with pump and water tanks,  was just shy of $90,000. I look at it
by comparing the monthly water bill for a city home, over 30 years, just
all paid up front.


On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 7:15 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Correct. There is a monsoon season in the area and it’s quite real. Just
> as with other arid parts of the country, these often result in flash
> flooding and related fun. This is why it’s important to pay attention to
> FEMA flood maps when looking at raw land, especially in the open meadows.
> Water tends to run down the sides of the nearby mountains and end up in the
> meadows, although it disperses rapidly. That’s of little comfort when the
> initial blast is 3-4 feet of water in a matter of minutes.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:49 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > OK Don via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> >> Does it ever rain in Arizona?
> >
> > I was just reading up on the Flagstaff climate, apparently they have a
> > monsoon season of sorts but otherwise it's pretty arid.
> >
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Correct. There is a monsoon season in the area and it’s quite real. Just as 
with other arid parts of the country, these often result in flash flooding and 
related fun. This is why it’s important to pay attention to FEMA flood maps 
when looking at raw land, especially in the open meadows. Water tends to run 
down the sides of the nearby mountains and end up in the meadows, although it 
disperses rapidly. That’s of little comfort when the initial blast is 3-4 feet 
of water in a matter of minutes.

-D

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:49 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK Don via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Does it ever rain in Arizona?
> 
> I was just reading up on the Flagstaff climate, apparently they have a
> monsoon season of sorts but otherwise it's pretty arid.
> 
> Allan
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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

You need to go back and get your masters to add Q to the L studies, that 
will take a year and another $30k, you should then be able to find a job 
with Uber or Lyft (after you buy a car) where you could make at least 
$100/wk.  You can supplement that income with part-time gigs as an 
Antifa provocateur, just keep an eye out on Craigslist for notices of 
when you might be needed.  Some travel might be required, Portland is 
popular this time of year, Seattle should be getting busier soon.


Note: Starbucks will be adding robot baristas as soon as the min wage 
goes to $15, so you might want to go to trade school to learn how to 
service robots.  That might conflict with your deeply-held beliefs 
though, it would require showing up to work every day at a specific time 
and you would need to pee in the bottle for a drugs test.  Plus there 
would be performance expectations.


--FT

On 3/17/21 10:00 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Do you mean that my 10 years of degrees and studies in the fine art of
"Lesbian Underwater Basket Weaving" is worthless in the job market place
and I will never be able to pay back the unforgiveable $400,000 in student
loan debt from my job at Starbucks where my hours just got cut back to 15
hrs a week?

What will I do? Mom says I can't live in the basement and I'm not old
enough to draw social security yet. Who will feed me?

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 10:13 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Given what's happening in "higher education" now, there may soon be a time
when a liberal arts degree is a mark of worthlessness, not achievement.  I
mean how worthless do you have to be to go tens of thousands into debt to
have your head poured full of useless crap?

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I recall when I was a kid my dad’s good friend he went to college with,
they were both electronics engineers, quit his job and went to HVAC school
for a coupla years. He worked his ass off night and day, eventually had a
really big business with several employees. Got tired of Indiana winters so
sold out for some very good money and moved to Florida. They bought a plant
store and landscaping business and made huge money. Finally sold that and
retired quite well. He must be 90-91 now, both he and his wife still doing
well. Raised 3 or 4 kids too.

Mike Rowe is all about this and makes huge sense in his efforts.

--FT


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[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yes your degrees are worthless! You suck!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2021, at 10:01 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Do you mean that my 10 years of degrees and studies in the fine art of
> "Lesbian Underwater Basket Weaving" is worthless in the job market place
> and I will never be able to pay back the unforgiveable $400,000 in student
> loan debt from my job at Starbucks where my hours just got cut back to 15
> hrs a week?
> 
> What will I do? Mom says I can't live in the basement and I'm not old
> enough to draw social security yet. Who will feed me?
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 10:13 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Given what's happening in "higher education" now, there may soon be a time
>> when a liberal arts degree is a mark of worthlessness, not achievement.  I
>> mean how worthless do you have to be to go tens of thousands into debt to
>> have your head poured full of useless crap?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 2:32 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate
>> 
>> I recall when I was a kid my dad’s good friend he went to college with,
>> they were both electronics engineers, quit his job and went to HVAC school
>> for a coupla years. He worked his ass off night and day, eventually had a
>> really big business with several employees. Got tired of Indiana winters so
>> sold out for some very good money and moved to Florida. They bought a plant
>> store and landscaping business and made huge money. Finally sold that and
>> retired quite well. He must be 90-91 now, both he and his wife still doing
>> well. Raised 3 or 4 kids too.
>> 
>> Mike Rowe is all about this and makes huge sense in his efforts.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
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[G Mann via Mercedes]

Do you mean that my 10 years of degrees and studies in the fine art of
"Lesbian Underwater Basket Weaving" is worthless in the job market place
and I will never be able to pay back the unforgiveable $400,000 in student
loan debt from my job at Starbucks where my hours just got cut back to 15
hrs a week?

What will I do? Mom says I can't live in the basement and I'm not old
enough to draw social security yet. Who will feed me?

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 10:13 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Given what's happening in "higher education" now, there may soon be a time
> when a liberal arts degree is a mark of worthlessness, not achievement.  I
> mean how worthless do you have to be to go tens of thousands into debt to
> have your head poured full of useless crap?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 2:32 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate
>
> I recall when I was a kid my dad’s good friend he went to college with,
> they were both electronics engineers, quit his job and went to HVAC school
> for a coupla years. He worked his ass off night and day, eventually had a
> really big business with several employees. Got tired of Indiana winters so
> sold out for some very good money and moved to Florida. They bought a plant
> store and landscaping business and made huge money. Finally sold that and
> retired quite well. He must be 90-91 now, both he and his wife still doing
> well. Raised 3 or 4 kids too.
>
> Mike Rowe is all about this and makes huge sense in his efforts.
>
> --FT
>
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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Just in time to participate in the Summer of Love II

--FT

On 3/16/21 11:44 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:

Talking with realtors to off load the SEA home.  This place has lost its mind.  
I am being told that inventory is so tight I should expect bidding wars and 
escalations of $200-300K over asking.  I just got home last week and already 
two agents want to tour and give me market analysis.  I did not contact them, I 
think my phone is listening when I was talking to a neighbor

Clay


inter urinas et faeces nascimur


On Mar 16, 2021, at 3:37 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete area last night:

13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales

-58.6% change in inventory in the last year

15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year

It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood skyrocket. What was a 
$300k home last year is now listing and going under contract in 2-3 days for 
over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.

-D

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[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

A liberal arts degree is worthless nowadays. They force feed you crap like 
gender studies and indoctrinate you with liberalism. In the past, I mean 100 
years ago, you’d come out of an undergraduate institution an educated person, 
versed in the classics, philosophy, history, art and the sciences. A liberal 
arts degree was never really intended to prepare you for a profession- you 
either went to trade school or got an advanced degree such as JD, MD etc for 
that. It was meant to make you a polished, educated and well rounded person. 
That’s just not the case anymore. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2021, at 1:13 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Given what's happening in "higher education" now, there may soon be a time 
> when a liberal arts degree is a mark of worthlessness, not achievement.  I 
> mean how worthless do you have to be to go tens of thousands into debt to 
> have your head poured full of useless crap?   
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 2:32 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate
> 
> I recall when I was a kid my dad’s good friend he went to college with, they 
> were both electronics engineers, quit his job and went to HVAC school for a 
> coupla years. He worked his ass off night and day, eventually had a really 
> big business with several employees. Got tired of Indiana winters so sold out 
> for some very good money and moved to Florida. They bought a plant store and 
> landscaping business and made huge money. Finally sold that and retired quite 
> well. He must be 90-91 now, both he and his wife still doing well. Raised 3 
> or 4 kids too. 
> 
> Mike Rowe is all about this and makes huge sense in his efforts. 
> 
> --FT
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Doesn't it just. We refinanced last year to 3.125% and my mortgage provider 
keeps offering me 2.5%. I haven't done the math but I suspect the fees would 
result in little actual savings for me.
I'm amazed at people that won't even try to work on stuff. "I don't know how" 
to me means "its time time to learn something."

-Curt

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 12:44:39 AM EDT, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Three cheers for Mike Rowe.  Frankly, I could never afford a house if I had to 
pay someone else to do repairs.  Fortunately I learned a great deal from my dad 
and uncles.  Maybe the most important lesson was "figure it out."

Talking real estate and loans, I bought several houses while in the military 
with frequent moves.  My mortgage rates were in the 8-16% range.  Current rates 
smell like the subprime crash, all over again.

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Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 1:18 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Curt Raymond 
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 My snowmobile trail groomer apprentice is under 30, works in HVAC, owns a 
duplex, drives a nice diesel Chevy and buys a new snowmobile every 5 years. Kid 
has an excellent debt to income ratio and is doing really well with no student 
loans. He's probably going to put in a mini-split for me in a couple months.
HVAC is another excellent choice, especially commercial where "Fix it right 
now!" is backed with money.
-Curt

    On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 1:05:01 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 A good friend's son became a HVAC guy.. he has been doing it for 12 years and 
has a solid 6 figure income and all the work he can do every day.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 9:58 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Or automate them.
> I talked to a kid online a year or so ago who was "Thinking about some  
>kind of office job." Good luck kid, there aren't any filing or typing 
>jobs  anymore. The secretary is nearly an obsolete job title.I advised 
>going to  trade school and learning how to do something that people actually 
>needed.
> If I could go back in time to 18 year old me I'd tell him to become a  
>commercial electrician. The guys who wire power into datacenters are 
>making  bank right now.
> -Curt
>
>    On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 12:52:31 PM EDT, Allan Streib via 
>Mercedes   wrote:
>
>  Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Yes telecommuting is making a lot of people realize they could live 
> > somewhere cheaper.
>
> Unfortunately their employers will eventually figure out that 
> telecommuting will mean they can hire someone cheaper as well.
>
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 From what I've seen the problem is that companies seem to think they can just 
throw all the work to an outsourcer and get quality results back. To get a 
quality product a bunch of your cost savings are going to be eaten up in 
managing the outsourcing company.
I actually did that for a little while, we had outsourced some support to 
Canada. I had a realtime view of wait times which were usually under a minute 
but then I got complaints from customers (I was doing escalation support) about 
long waits. It turned out the call center would put every caller into 10 
minutes of limbo. The call had been "answered" which we paid the call center a 
fee for, but they wouldn't be connected to a tech for 10 minutes. The call 
center wanted you to hang up and call back so they could get paid the 
connection fee again...

-Curt

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 11:56:55 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  writes:

> Much of the offshored work in software and other industries has been
> very poor quality and not as easily offshored as originally
> thought. This is why tech companies fight for immigration visas to
> bring people to the US.

That is true, and I have experienced it, but fundamentally the
programmers in India or Asia are just as smart as the ones in San
Francisco. Sooner or later they will figure out what standard of quality
will get them paid.

Allan

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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 We've gone through this at work, they offshored a bunch of stuff to China, the 
results were disasterous, nothing usable came out of it.
Same thing in the Ukraine until they made the office there not an outsource 
company but actual employees of our company, quality improved dramatically 
although not at the same cost savings...
-Curt

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 10:53:05 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I think there has already been some discussion on this, but perhaps it was
another forum.

Much of the offshored work in software and other industries has been very
poor quality and not as easily offshored as originally thought. This is why
tech companies fight for immigration visas to bring people to the US.

Anyway not a panacea by any means for corporations seeking to lower costs.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 7:36 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> >> Yes telecommuting is making a lot of people realize they could live
> somewhere cheaper.
>
> >Unfortunately their employers will eventually figure out that
> telecommuting will mean they can hire someone cheaper as well.
>
> Yup. Sooner or later corporations will figure out an employee can
> telecommute from India or Vietnam and those office jobs are gone like the
> wind.
>
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Sit back and enjoy the ride, buddy. You’re firmly in the driver’s seat.

-D

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:44 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Talking with realtors to off load the SEA home.  This place has lost its 
> mind.  I am being told that inventory is so tight I should expect bidding 
> wars and escalations of $200-300K over asking.  I just got home last week and 
> already two agents want to tour and give me market analysis.  I did not 
> contact them, I think my phone is listening when I was talking to a neighbor
> 
> Clay
> 
> 
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
> 
>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 3:37 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete area last 
>> night:
>> 
>> 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
>> 
>> -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
>> 
>> 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
>> 
>> It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood skyrocket. What was 
>> a $300k home last year is now listing and going under contract in 2-3 days 
>> for over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.
>> 
>> -D
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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Given what's happening in "higher education" now, there may soon be a time when 
a liberal arts degree is a mark of worthlessness, not achievement.  I mean how 
worthless do you have to be to go tens of thousands into debt to have your head 
poured full of useless crap?   

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 2:32 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Crazy Real Estate

I recall when I was a kid my dad’s good friend he went to college with, they 
were both electronics engineers, quit his job and went to HVAC school for a 
coupla years. He worked his ass off night and day, eventually had a really big 
business with several employees. Got tired of Indiana winters so sold out for 
some very good money and moved to Florida. They bought a plant store and 
landscaping business and made huge money. Finally sold that and retired quite 
well. He must be 90-91 now, both he and his wife still doing well. Raised 3 or 
4 kids too. 

Mike Rowe is all about this and makes huge sense in his efforts. 

--FT


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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Three cheers for Mike Rowe.  Frankly, I could never afford a house if I had to 
pay someone else to do repairs.  Fortunately I learned a great deal from my dad 
and uncles.  Maybe the most important lesson was "figure it out."

Talking real estate and loans, I bought several houses while in the military 
with frequent moves.  My mortgage rates were in the 8-16% range.  Current rates 
smell like the subprime crash, all over again.

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Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 1:18 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Curt Raymond 
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 My snowmobile trail groomer apprentice is under 30, works in HVAC, owns a 
duplex, drives a nice diesel Chevy and buys a new snowmobile every 5 years. Kid 
has an excellent debt to income ratio and is doing really well with no student 
loans. He's probably going to put in a mini-split for me in a couple months.
HVAC is another excellent choice, especially commercial where "Fix it right 
now!" is backed with money.
-Curt

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 1:05:01 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 A good friend's son became a HVAC guy.. he has been doing it for 12 years and 
has a solid 6 figure income and all the work he can do every day.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 9:58 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Or automate them.
> I talked to a kid online a year or so ago who was "Thinking about some  
>kind of office job." Good luck kid, there aren't any filing or typing 
>jobs  anymore. The secretary is nearly an obsolete job title.I advised 
>going to  trade school and learning how to do something that people actually 
>needed.
> If I could go back in time to 18 year old me I'd tell him to become a  
>commercial electrician. The guys who wire power into datacenters are 
>making  bank right now.
> -Curt
>
>On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 12:52:31 PM EDT, Allan Streib via 
>Mercedes   wrote:
>
>  Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Yes telecommuting is making a lot of people realize they could live 
> > somewhere cheaper.
>
> Unfortunately their employers will eventually figure out that 
> telecommuting will mean they can hire someone cheaper as well.
>
> Allan
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[OK Don via Mercedes]

It must only rain in AZ and NM when I'm trying to fly over them .

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 10:50 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> OK Don via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Does it ever rain in Arizona?
>
> I was just reading up on the Flagstaff climate, apparently they have a
> monsoon season of sorts but otherwise it's pretty arid.
>
> Allan
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

“Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
Von Braun
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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

If you're thinking of selling, sell now to the suckers fleeing from
Cali. Get your money before the crash.

They are offering tens or hundreds of thousands over ask just to "avoid
negotiations"

Allan

Clay via Mercedes  writes:

> Talking with realtors to off load the SEA home.  This place has lost its 
> mind.  I am being told that inventory is so tight I should expect bidding 
> wars and escalations of $200-300K over asking.  I just got home last week and 
> already two agents want to tour and give me market analysis.  I did not 
> contact them, I think my phone is listening when I was talking to a neighbor
>
> Clay
>
>
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
>
>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 3:37 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete area last 
>> night:
>> 
>> 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
>> 
>> -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
>> 
>> 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
>> 
>> It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood skyrocket. What was 
>> a $300k home last year is now listing and going under contract in 2-3 days 
>> for over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.
>> 
>> -D
>

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[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  writes:

> Much of the offshored work in software and other industries has been
> very poor quality and not as easily offshored as originally
> thought. This is why tech companies fight for immigration visas to
> bring people to the US.

That is true, and I have experienced it, but fundamentally the
programmers in India or Asia are just as smart as the ones in San
Francisco. Sooner or later they will figure out what standard of quality
will get them paid.

Allan

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[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

OK Don via Mercedes  writes:

> Does it ever rain in Arizona?

I was just reading up on the Flagstaff climate, apparently they have a
monsoon season of sorts but otherwise it's pretty arid.

Allan

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[Clay via Mercedes]

Talking with realtors to off load the SEA home.  This place has lost its mind.  
I am being told that inventory is so tight I should expect bidding wars and 
escalations of $200-300K over asking.  I just got home last week and already 
two agents want to tour and give me market analysis.  I did not contact them, I 
think my phone is listening when I was talking to a neighbor

Clay


inter urinas et faeces nascimur

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 3:37 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete area last 
> night:
> 
> 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
> 
> -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
> 
> 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
> 
> It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood skyrocket. What was 
> a $300k home last year is now listing and going under contract in 2-3 days 
> for over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.
> 
> -D

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[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I think there has already been some discussion on this, but perhaps it was
another forum.

Much of the offshored work in software and other industries has been very
poor quality and not as easily offshored as originally thought. This is why
tech companies fight for immigration visas to bring people to the US.

Anyway not a panacea by any means for corporations seeking to lower costs.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 7:36 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> >> Yes telecommuting is making a lot of people realize they could live
> somewhere cheaper.
>
> >Unfortunately their employers will eventually figure out that
> telecommuting will mean they can hire someone cheaper as well.
>
> Yup. Sooner or later corporations will figure out an employee can
> telecommute from India or Vietnam and those office jobs are gone like the
> wind.
>
> Rick
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>> Yes telecommuting is making a lot of people realize they could live 
>> somewhere cheaper.

>Unfortunately their employers will eventually figure out that telecommuting 
>will mean they can hire someone cheaper as well.

Yup. Sooner or later corporations will figure out an employee can telecommute 
from India or Vietnam and those office jobs are gone like the wind.

Rick
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[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Flagstaff is at 7,000 feet

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 6:56 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Does it ever rain in Arizona?
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 8:21 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > We will join you on the group buy in Flagstaff.
> >
> > On the north end of the south island in NZ, there is no accessible
> > groundwater. Fortunately, they get a lot of rain. Every house is built
> on a
> > giant concrete foundation which is waterproofed to store the rainwater,
> > which is filtered a bit and channeled in from the roof.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 5:00 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yabbut I’ve served on a board for many years, I don’t think I want to
> any
> > > more. I bailed from mine after almost 10 years because I got tired of
> > > dealing with petty stuff and idiots.
> > >
> > > Just think - the CC could require Mercedes ownership!
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > > > On Mar 16, 2021, at 7:50 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We could be our own HOA.
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > >> On Mar 16, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Flagstaff? Holy. The prices there are stupid, just stupid. Even raw
> > > land is stupid, running around $100k/acre or more if it’s got
> utilities.
> > > I’m in no hurry. We’ll bide our time and wait until the economy tanks
> and
> > > interest rates start increasing.
> > > >>
> > > >> I will say that if I could convince Mrs. Dan to live off grid the
> > > options open up substantially. There is a huge disparity between land
> > costs
> > > for off grid properties and those with utilities. Between the sun and
> > wind,
> > > renewable energy there is quite realistic. Water is the big issue, as
> > wells
> > > are around 1,000’ deep and it costs around $80k (yes, that’s $80,000!)
> to
> > > drill one. Cisterns, or large tanks where you get your water trucked
> in,
> > > are far more common. I’ve even seen some really nice $1,000,000 homes
> > that
> > > have cisterns because of their location.
> > > >>
> > > >> Mrs. Dan, a former employee of the Federal Home Loan Bank, keeps
> > > talking about buying land and subdividing. Maybe you and Mrs. Bob would
> > be
> > > interested in being neighbors?
> > > >>
> > > >> And Grant, just out of curiosity, what part of AZ are you in, and
> how
> > > do you get your water?
> > > >>
> > > >> -D
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 5:03 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would have loved to move out of the heat in Phoenix while I’ve
> been
> > > working from home for the last year, but my job requires me to always
> be
> > > within 90 minutes of the plant site while on duty. Otherwise, I
> would’ve
> > > been out of here like a scalded dog.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Now I just need all of these California mofos to quit buying up all
> > > the houses in the land in Arizona. It’s to the point now where I can
> > barely
> > > afford anything. Dan knows my pain, because he has been looking in
> > > Flagstaff.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> AZBob
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>>
> > > > On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > >  Pretty much — what with working remotely even in high-paying jobs
> > > people can live anywhere with decent broadband and an airport. And it’s
> > > warmer and cheaper here and less gooberment interferences although they
> > > seem to want more of that for reasons unclear.
> > > 
> > >  The winter slow time never happened here this year, it’s been busy
> > > since a year ago, lots of NE plates on cars and people who drive and
> act
> > > like @$$h0le$
> > > 
> > >  --FT
> > >  Sent from iPhone
> > > 
> > > > On Mar 16, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > People fleeing lockdown states?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> > > >
> > > >> Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete
> > area
> > > last night:
> > > >>
> > > >> 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
> > > >>
> > > >> -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
> > > >>
> > > >> 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
> > > >>
> > > >> It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood
> > skyrocket.
> > > What was a $300k home last year is now listing and going under contract
> > in
> > > 2-3 days for over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.
> > > >>
> > > >> -D
> > > >
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[G Mann via Mercedes]

Arizona has rain, we just measure it differently.
A 10 inch rain means the raindrops were 10 inches apart.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 7:12 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 20:55:55 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Does it ever rain in Arizona?
>
> Occasionally, just like New Mexico ...
>
>
> Craig
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I remember being in Phoenix in February and it was pouring in the streets
were flooded.


On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 10:12 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 20:55:55 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Does it ever rain in Arizona?
>
> Occasionally, just like New Mexico ...
>
>
> Craig
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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 20:55:55 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Does it ever rain in Arizona?

Occasionally, just like New Mexico ...


Craig

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[OK Don via Mercedes]

Does it ever rain in Arizona?

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 8:21 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> We will join you on the group buy in Flagstaff.
>
> On the north end of the south island in NZ, there is no accessible
> groundwater. Fortunately, they get a lot of rain. Every house is built on a
> giant concrete foundation which is waterproofed to store the rainwater,
> which is filtered a bit and channeled in from the roof.
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 5:00 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Yabbut I’ve served on a board for many years, I don’t think I want to any
> > more. I bailed from mine after almost 10 years because I got tired of
> > dealing with petty stuff and idiots.
> >
> > Just think - the CC could require Mercedes ownership!
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Mar 16, 2021, at 7:50 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > We could be our own HOA.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Mar 16, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Flagstaff? Holy. The prices there are stupid, just stupid. Even raw
> > land is stupid, running around $100k/acre or more if it’s got utilities.
> > I’m in no hurry. We’ll bide our time and wait until the economy tanks and
> > interest rates start increasing.
> > >>
> > >> I will say that if I could convince Mrs. Dan to live off grid the
> > options open up substantially. There is a huge disparity between land
> costs
> > for off grid properties and those with utilities. Between the sun and
> wind,
> > renewable energy there is quite realistic. Water is the big issue, as
> wells
> > are around 1,000’ deep and it costs around $80k (yes, that’s $80,000!) to
> > drill one. Cisterns, or large tanks where you get your water trucked in,
> > are far more common. I’ve even seen some really nice $1,000,000 homes
> that
> > have cisterns because of their location.
> > >>
> > >> Mrs. Dan, a former employee of the Federal Home Loan Bank, keeps
> > talking about buying land and subdividing. Maybe you and Mrs. Bob would
> be
> > interested in being neighbors?
> > >>
> > >> And Grant, just out of curiosity, what part of AZ are you in, and how
> > do you get your water?
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> > >>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 5:03 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I would have loved to move out of the heat in Phoenix while I’ve been
> > working from home for the last year, but my job requires me to always be
> > within 90 minutes of the plant site while on duty. Otherwise, I would’ve
> > been out of here like a scalded dog.
> > >>>
> > >>> Now I just need all of these California mofos to quit buying up all
> > the houses in the land in Arizona. It’s to the point now where I can
> barely
> > afford anything. Dan knows my pain, because he has been looking in
> > Flagstaff.
> > >>>
> > >>> AZBob
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > > On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  Pretty much — what with working remotely even in high-paying jobs
> > people can live anywhere with decent broadband and an airport. And it’s
> > warmer and cheaper here and less gooberment interferences although they
> > seem to want more of that for reasons unclear.
> > 
> >  The winter slow time never happened here this year, it’s been busy
> > since a year ago, lots of NE plates on cars and people who drive and act
> > like @$$h0le$
> > 
> >  --FT
> >  Sent from iPhone
> > 
> > > On Mar 16, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > People fleeing lockdown states?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> > >
> > >> Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete
> area
> > last night:
> > >>
> > >> 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
> > >>
> > >> -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
> > >>
> > >> 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
> > >>
> > >> It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood
> skyrocket.
> > What was a $300k home last year is now listing and going under contract
> in
> > 2-3 days for over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >
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[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

We will join you on the group buy in Flagstaff.

On the north end of the south island in NZ, there is no accessible
groundwater. Fortunately, they get a lot of rain. Every house is built on a
giant concrete foundation which is waterproofed to store the rainwater,
which is filtered a bit and channeled in from the roof.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 5:00 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yabbut I’ve served on a board for many years, I don’t think I want to any
> more. I bailed from mine after almost 10 years because I got tired of
> dealing with petty stuff and idiots.
>
> Just think - the CC could require Mercedes ownership!
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 16, 2021, at 7:50 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > We could be our own HOA.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 16, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Flagstaff? Holy. The prices there are stupid, just stupid. Even raw
> land is stupid, running around $100k/acre or more if it’s got utilities.
> I’m in no hurry. We’ll bide our time and wait until the economy tanks and
> interest rates start increasing.
> >>
> >> I will say that if I could convince Mrs. Dan to live off grid the
> options open up substantially. There is a huge disparity between land costs
> for off grid properties and those with utilities. Between the sun and wind,
> renewable energy there is quite realistic. Water is the big issue, as wells
> are around 1,000’ deep and it costs around $80k (yes, that’s $80,000!) to
> drill one. Cisterns, or large tanks where you get your water trucked in,
> are far more common. I’ve even seen some really nice $1,000,000 homes that
> have cisterns because of their location.
> >>
> >> Mrs. Dan, a former employee of the Federal Home Loan Bank, keeps
> talking about buying land and subdividing. Maybe you and Mrs. Bob would be
> interested in being neighbors?
> >>
> >> And Grant, just out of curiosity, what part of AZ are you in, and how
> do you get your water?
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 5:03 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I would have loved to move out of the heat in Phoenix while I’ve been
> working from home for the last year, but my job requires me to always be
> within 90 minutes of the plant site while on duty. Otherwise, I would’ve
> been out of here like a scalded dog.
> >>>
> >>> Now I just need all of these California mofos to quit buying up all
> the houses in the land in Arizona. It’s to the point now where I can barely
> afford anything. Dan knows my pain, because he has been looking in
> Flagstaff.
> >>>
> >>> AZBob
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> > On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Pretty much — what with working remotely even in high-paying jobs
> people can live anywhere with decent broadband and an airport. And it’s
> warmer and cheaper here and less gooberment interferences although they
> seem to want more of that for reasons unclear.
> 
>  The winter slow time never happened here this year, it’s been busy
> since a year ago, lots of NE plates on cars and people who drive and act
> like @$$h0le$
> 
>  --FT
>  Sent from iPhone
> 
> > On Mar 16, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > People fleeing lockdown states?
> >
> >
> > Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> >> Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete area
> last night:
> >>
> >> 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
> >>
> >> -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
> >>
> >> 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
> >>
> >> It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood skyrocket.
> What was a $300k home last year is now listing and going under contract in
> 2-3 days for over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.
> >>
> >> -D
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yabbut I’ve served on a board for many years, I don’t think I want to any more. 
I bailed from mine after almost 10 years because I got tired of dealing with 
petty stuff and idiots.

Just think - the CC could require Mercedes ownership!

-D

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 7:50 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> We could be our own HOA. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Flagstaff? Holy. The prices there are stupid, just stupid. Even raw land is 
>> stupid, running around $100k/acre or more if it’s got utilities. I’m in no 
>> hurry. We’ll bide our time and wait until the economy tanks and interest 
>> rates start increasing.
>> 
>> I will say that if I could convince Mrs. Dan to live off grid the options 
>> open up substantially. There is a huge disparity between land costs for off 
>> grid properties and those with utilities. Between the sun and wind, 
>> renewable energy there is quite realistic. Water is the big issue, as wells 
>> are around 1,000’ deep and it costs around $80k (yes, that’s $80,000!) to 
>> drill one. Cisterns, or large tanks where you get your water trucked in, are 
>> far more common. I’ve even seen some really nice $1,000,000 homes that have 
>> cisterns because of their location.
>> 
>> Mrs. Dan, a former employee of the Federal Home Loan Bank, keeps talking 
>> about buying land and subdividing. Maybe you and Mrs. Bob would be 
>> interested in being neighbors?
>> 
>> And Grant, just out of curiosity, what part of AZ are you in, and how do you 
>> get your water?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 5:03 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would have loved to move out of the heat in Phoenix while I’ve been 
>>> working from home for the last year, but my job requires me to always be 
>>> within 90 minutes of the plant site while on duty. Otherwise, I would’ve 
>>> been out of here like a scalded dog. 
>>> 
>>> Now I just need all of these California mofos to quit buying up all the 
>>> houses in the land in Arizona. It’s to the point now where I can barely 
>>> afford anything. Dan knows my pain, because he has been looking in 
>>> Flagstaff.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Pretty much — what with working remotely even in high-paying jobs people 
 can live anywhere with decent broadband and an airport. And it’s warmer 
 and cheaper here and less gooberment interferences although they seem to 
 want more of that for reasons unclear. 
 
 The winter slow time never happened here this year, it’s been busy since a 
 year ago, lots of NE plates on cars and people who drive and act like 
 @$$h0le$
 
 --FT
 Sent from iPhone
 
> On Mar 16, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> People fleeing lockdown states?
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete area last 
>> night:
>> 
>> 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
>> 
>> -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
>> 
>> 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
>> 
>> It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood skyrocket. What 
>> was a $300k home last year is now listing and going under contract in 
>> 2-3 days for over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.
>> 
>> -D
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[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

We could be our own HOA. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Flagstaff? Holy. The prices there are stupid, just stupid. Even raw land is 
> stupid, running around $100k/acre or more if it’s got utilities. I’m in no 
> hurry. We’ll bide our time and wait until the economy tanks and interest 
> rates start increasing.
> 
> I will say that if I could convince Mrs. Dan to live off grid the options 
> open up substantially. There is a huge disparity between land costs for off 
> grid properties and those with utilities. Between the sun and wind, renewable 
> energy there is quite realistic. Water is the big issue, as wells are around 
> 1,000’ deep and it costs around $80k (yes, that’s $80,000!) to drill one. 
> Cisterns, or large tanks where you get your water trucked in, are far more 
> common. I’ve even seen some really nice $1,000,000 homes that have cisterns 
> because of their location.
> 
> Mrs. Dan, a former employee of the Federal Home Loan Bank, keeps talking 
> about buying land and subdividing. Maybe you and Mrs. Bob would be interested 
> in being neighbors?
> 
> And Grant, just out of curiosity, what part of AZ are you in, and how do you 
> get your water?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 5:03 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I would have loved to move out of the heat in Phoenix while I’ve been 
>> working from home for the last year, but my job requires me to always be 
>> within 90 minutes of the plant site while on duty. Otherwise, I would’ve 
>> been out of here like a scalded dog. 
>> 
>> Now I just need all of these California mofos to quit buying up all the 
>> houses in the land in Arizona. It’s to the point now where I can barely 
>> afford anything. Dan knows my pain, because he has been looking in Flagstaff.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pretty much — what with working remotely even in high-paying jobs people 
>>> can live anywhere with decent broadband and an airport. And it’s warmer and 
>>> cheaper here and less gooberment interferences although they seem to want 
>>> more of that for reasons unclear. 
>>> 
>>> The winter slow time never happened here this year, it’s been busy since a 
>>> year ago, lots of NE plates on cars and people who drive and act like 
>>> @$$h0le$
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 16, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 People fleeing lockdown states?
 
 
 Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
 
> Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete area last 
> night:
> 
> 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
> 
> -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
> 
> 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
> 
> It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood skyrocket. What 
> was a $300k home last year is now listing and going under contract in 2-3 
> days for over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.
> 
> -D
 
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Flagstaff? Holy. The prices there are stupid, just stupid. Even raw land is 
stupid, running around $100k/acre or more if it’s got utilities. I’m in no 
hurry. We’ll bide our time and wait until the economy tanks and interest rates 
start increasing.

I will say that if I could convince Mrs. Dan to live off grid the options open 
up substantially. There is a huge disparity between land costs for off grid 
properties and those with utilities. Between the sun and wind, renewable energy 
there is quite realistic. Water is the big issue, as wells are around 1,000’ 
deep and it costs around $80k (yes, that’s $80,000!) to drill one. Cisterns, or 
large tanks where you get your water trucked in, are far more common. I’ve even 
seen some really nice $1,000,000 homes that have cisterns because of their 
location.

Mrs. Dan, a former employee of the Federal Home Loan Bank, keeps talking about 
buying land and subdividing. Maybe you and Mrs. Bob would be interested in 
being neighbors?

And Grant, just out of curiosity, what part of AZ are you in, and how do you 
get your water?

-D

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 5:03 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I would have loved to move out of the heat in Phoenix while I’ve been working 
> from home for the last year, but my job requires me to always be within 90 
> minutes of the plant site while on duty. Otherwise, I would’ve been out of 
> here like a scalded dog. 
> 
> Now I just need all of these California mofos to quit buying up all the 
> houses in the land in Arizona. It’s to the point now where I can barely 
> afford anything. Dan knows my pain, because he has been looking in Flagstaff.
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Pretty much — what with working remotely even in high-paying jobs people 
>> can live anywhere with decent broadband and an airport. And it’s warmer and 
>> cheaper here and less gooberment interferences although they seem to want 
>> more of that for reasons unclear. 
>> 
>> The winter slow time never happened here this year, it’s been busy since a 
>> year ago, lots of NE plates on cars and people who drive and act like 
>> @$$h0le$
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> People fleeing lockdown states?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
>>> 
 Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete area last 
 night:
 
 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
 
 -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
 
 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
 
 It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood skyrocket. What 
 was a $300k home last year is now listing and going under contract in 2-3 
 days for over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.
 
 -D
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[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I would have loved to move out of the heat in Phoenix while I’ve been working 
from home for the last year, but my job requires me to always be within 90 
minutes of the plant site while on duty. Otherwise, I would’ve been out of here 
like a scalded dog. 

Now I just need all of these California mofos to quit buying up all the houses 
in the land in Arizona. It’s to the point now where I can barely afford 
anything. Dan knows my pain, because he has been looking in Flagstaff.

AZBob

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Pretty much — what with working remotely even in high-paying jobs people can 
> live anywhere with decent broadband and an airport. And it’s warmer and 
> cheaper here and less gooberment interferences although they seem to want 
> more of that for reasons unclear. 
> 
> The winter slow time never happened here this year, it’s been busy since a 
> year ago, lots of NE plates on cars and people who drive and act like @$$h0le$
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> People fleeing lockdown states?
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete area last 
>>> night:
>>> 
>>> 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
>>> 
>>> -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
>>> 
>>> 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
>>> 
>>> It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood skyrocket. What 
>>> was a $300k home last year is now listing and going under contract in 2-3 
>>> days for over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.
>>> 
>>> -D
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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Pretty much — what with working remotely even in high-paying jobs people can 
live anywhere with decent broadband and an airport. And it’s warmer and cheaper 
here and less gooberment interferences although they seem to want more of that 
for reasons unclear. 

The winter slow time never happened here this year, it’s been busy since a year 
ago, lots of NE plates on cars and people who drive and act like @$$h0le$

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> People fleeing lockdown states?
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete area last 
>> night:
>> 
>> 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
>> 
>> -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
>> 
>> 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
>> 
>> It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood skyrocket. What was 
>> a $300k home last year is now listing and going under contract in 2-3 days 
>> for over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.
>> 
>> -D
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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I recall when I was a kid my dad’s good friend he went to college with, they 
were both electronics engineers, quit his job and went to HVAC school for a 
coupla years. He worked his ass off night and day, eventually had a really big 
business with several employees. Got tired of Indiana winters so sold out for 
some very good money and moved to Florida. They bought a plant store and 
landscaping business and made huge money. Finally sold that and retired quite 
well. He must be 90-91 now, both he and his wife still doing well. Raised 3 or 
4 kids too. 

Mike Rowe is all about this and makes huge sense in his efforts. 

--FT
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> On Mar 16, 2021, at 1:05 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A good friend's son became a HVAC guy.. he has been doing it for 12 years
> and has a solid 6 figure income and all the work he can do every day.
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 9:58 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Or automate them.
>> I talked to a kid online a year or so ago who was "Thinking about some
>> kind of office job." Good luck kid, there aren't any filing or typing jobs
>> anymore. The secretary is nearly an obsolete job title.I advised going to
>> trade school and learning how to do something that people actually needed.
>> If I could go back in time to 18 year old me I'd tell him to become a
>> commercial electrician. The guys who wire power into datacenters are making
>> bank right now.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 12:52:31 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> Yes telecommuting is making a lot of people realize they could live
>>> somewhere cheaper.
>> 
>> Unfortunately their employers will eventually figure out that
>> telecommuting will mean they can hire someone cheaper as well.
>> 
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 My snowmobile trail groomer apprentice is under 30, works in HVAC, owns a 
duplex, drives a nice diesel Chevy and buys a new snowmobile every 5 years. Kid 
has an excellent debt to income ratio and is doing really well with no student 
loans. He's probably going to put in a mini-split for me in a couple months.
HVAC is another excellent choice, especially commercial where "Fix it right 
now!" is backed with money.
-Curt

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 1:05:01 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 A good friend's son became a HVAC guy.. he has been doing it for 12 years
and has a solid 6 figure income and all the work he can do every day.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 9:58 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Or automate them.
> I talked to a kid online a year or so ago who was "Thinking about some
> kind of office job." Good luck kid, there aren't any filing or typing jobs
> anymore. The secretary is nearly an obsolete job title.I advised going to
> trade school and learning how to do something that people actually needed.
> If I could go back in time to 18 year old me I'd tell him to become a
> commercial electrician. The guys who wire power into datacenters are making
> bank right now.
> -Curt
>
>    On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 12:52:31 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>  Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Yes telecommuting is making a lot of people realize they could live
> > somewhere cheaper.
>
> Unfortunately their employers will eventually figure out that
> telecommuting will mean they can hire someone cheaper as well.
>
> Allan
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Or plumber. My eldest kicked around in dead-end jobs for 10 years until we got 
on his case and told him he would end his life living in a van down by the 
river if he didn’t find a decent means of employment. He looked at plumbing and 
electrical, and ended up going to trade school for plumbing.

Two more years and he’ll have his journeyman’s license and will be able to 
write his own ticket. He’s doing well working for a large plumbing company as 
an apprentice while moonlighting around the neighborhood on the weekends 
installing faucets and fixing leaks for the neighbors, who are more than happy 
to pay him well for his time.

I am comfortable that if I existed this existence today he would be able to 
provide for himself more than adequately.

The trades are where it’s at, and always have been.

-D

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 12:58 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Or automate them.
> I talked to a kid online a year or so ago who was "Thinking about some kind 
> of office job." Good luck kid, there aren't any filing or typing jobs 
> anymore. The secretary is nearly an obsolete job title.I advised going to 
> trade school and learning how to do something that people actually needed. If 
> I could go back in time to 18 year old me I'd tell him to become a commercial 
> electrician. The guys who wire power into datacenters are making bank right 
> now.
> -Curt
> 
>On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 12:52:31 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Yes telecommuting is making a lot of people realize they could live
>> somewhere cheaper.
> 
> Unfortunately their employers will eventually figure out that
> telecommuting will mean they can hire someone cheaper as well.
> 
> Allan
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[G Mann via Mercedes]

A good friend's son became a HVAC guy.. he has been doing it for 12 years
and has a solid 6 figure income and all the work he can do every day.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 9:58 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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>  Or automate them.
> I talked to a kid online a year or so ago who was "Thinking about some
> kind of office job." Good luck kid, there aren't any filing or typing jobs
> anymore. The secretary is nearly an obsolete job title.I advised going to
> trade school and learning how to do something that people actually needed.
> If I could go back in time to 18 year old me I'd tell him to become a
> commercial electrician. The guys who wire power into datacenters are making
> bank right now.
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 12:52:31 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>  Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Yes telecommuting is making a lot of people realize they could live
> > somewhere cheaper.
>
> Unfortunately their employers will eventually figure out that
> telecommuting will mean they can hire someone cheaper as well.
>
> Allan
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[G Mann via Mercedes]

People are fleeing California to Arizona in huge numbers, and have been for
10 years now. They are driving real estate prices to what was considered
insane levels just 10 years ago, because the house they sold to leave CA
buys anything they want in AZ, plus .

Reasons for leaving CA are manifold, high taxes, government control of
almost everything, etc etc etc..
By Arizona standards, they are not good citizens, having moved with all the
social program baggage of CA.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 9:50 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> People fleeing lockdown states?
>
>
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete area last
> night:
> >
> > 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
> >
> > -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
> >
> > 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
> >
> > It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood skyrocket. What
> was a $300k home last year is now listing and going under contract in 2-3
> days for over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.
> >
> > -D
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Or automate them.
I talked to a kid online a year or so ago who was "Thinking about some kind of 
office job." Good luck kid, there aren't any filing or typing jobs anymore. The 
secretary is nearly an obsolete job title.I advised going to trade school and 
learning how to do something that people actually needed. If I could go back in 
time to 18 year old me I'd tell him to become a commercial electrician. The 
guys who wire power into datacenters are making bank right now.
-Curt

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 12:52:31 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  writes:

> Yes telecommuting is making a lot of people realize they could live
> somewhere cheaper.

Unfortunately their employers will eventually figure out that
telecommuting will mean they can hire someone cheaper as well.

Allan

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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Chasing coronavirus?
-Curt

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 12:50:38 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 People fleeing lockdown states?


Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete area last 
> night:
>
> 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
>
> -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
>
> 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
>
> It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood skyrocket. What was 
> a $300k home last year is now listing and going under contract in 2-3 days 
> for over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.
>
> -D

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Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  writes:

> Yes telecommuting is making a lot of people realize they could live
> somewhere cheaper.

Unfortunately their employers will eventually figure out that
telecommuting will mean they can hire someone cheaper as well.

Allan

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[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

People fleeing lockdown states?


Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete area last 
> night:
>
> 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
>
> -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
>
> 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
>
> It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood skyrocket. What was 
> a $300k home last year is now listing and going under contract in 2-3 days 
> for over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.
>
> -D

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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Lost my last kitty so the pepper plants are struggling.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 11:38 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You won't be the first or the last.  I'll sell you my vast estate, you
> can raise cat poop peppers.
>
> Pack your baggage in carpet bags, that will go over well with the natives
>
> --FT
>
> On 3/16/21 11:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > /Lotsa Yankees moving down here getting out of their northern
> > hellholes. Unfortunately they bring their same attitudes with them
> > with the same results. I don’t know where they’ll move on to after
> > screwing this place up/.
> >
> > We are planning on moving down to Charleston - with trucks full of
> > northern "baggage" - but might reconsider if you make us a serious
> > offer.  Cash or bitcoin only.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 7:25 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
> > It’s like that around here too. Lotsa Yankees moving down here
> > getting out of their northern hellholes. Unfortunately they bring
> > their same attitudes with them with the same results. I don’t know
> > where they’ll move on to after screwing this place up.
> >
> > I need to get my place on the market.
> >
> > Yankees — more profitable than cotton and easier to pick
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> > > On Mar 16, 2021, at 6:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete
> > area last night:
> > >
> > > 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
> > >
> > > -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
> > >
> > > 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
> > >
> > > It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood
> > skyrocket. What was a $300k home last year is now listing and
> > going under contract in 2-3 days for over $400k. A great market if
> > you’re selling.
> > >
> > > -D
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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

You won't be the first or the last.  I'll sell you my vast estate, you 
can raise cat poop peppers.


Pack your baggage in carpet bags, that will go over well with the natives

--FT

On 3/16/21 11:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
/Lotsa Yankees moving down here getting out of their northern 
hellholes. Unfortunately they bring their same attitudes with them 
with the same results. I don’t know where they’ll move on to after 
screwing this place up/.


We are planning on moving down to Charleston - with trucks full of 
northern "baggage" - but might reconsider if you make us a serious 
offer.  Cash or bitcoin only.


On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 7:25 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


It’s like that around here too. Lotsa Yankees moving down here
getting out of their northern hellholes. Unfortunately they bring
their same attitudes with them with the same results. I don’t know
where they’ll move on to after screwing this place up.

I need to get my place on the market.

Yankees — more profitable than cotton and easier to pick

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 6:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete
area last night:
>
> 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
>
> -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
>
> 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
>
> It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood
skyrocket. What was a $300k home last year is now listing and
going under contract in 2-3 days for over $400k. A great market if
you’re selling.
>
> -D
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

*Lotsa Yankees moving down here getting out of their northern hellholes.
Unfortunately they bring their same attitudes with them with the same
results. I don’t know where they’ll move on to after screwing this place up*.


We are planning on moving down to Charleston - with trucks full of northern
"baggage" - but might reconsider if you make us a serious offer.  Cash or
bitcoin only.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 7:25 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> It’s like that around here too. Lotsa Yankees moving down here getting out
> of their northern hellholes. Unfortunately they bring their same attitudes
> with them with the same results. I don’t know where they’ll move on to
> after screwing this place up.
>
> I need to get my place on the market.
>
> Yankees — more profitable than cotton and easier to pick
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Mar 16, 2021, at 6:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete area
> last night:
> >
> > 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
> >
> > -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
> >
> > 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
> >
> > It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood skyrocket. What
> was a $300k home last year is now listing and going under contract in 2-3
> days for over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.
> >
> > -D
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Yes telecommuting is making a lot of people realize they could live
somewhere cheaper. Then they all show up there together with all the money
they got from selling their old places, and bid against each other in the
new place. Even so, it ends up being lots cheaper for them. I view it as a
long overdue regional cultural attitude and financial resource
redistribution program for America. Good for everyone to see how the other
half live. But a lot of it is just a bubble based upon cheap interest
rates. Time to get the back yard finished and cash in. But then we would
need to figure out where to go.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 4:25 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It’s like that around here too. Lotsa Yankees moving down here getting out
> of their northern hellholes. Unfortunately they bring their same attitudes
> with them with the same results. I don’t know where they’ll move on to
> after screwing this place up.
>
> I need to get my place on the market.
>
> Yankees — more profitable than cotton and easier to pick
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Mar 16, 2021, at 6:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete area
> last night:
> >
> > 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
> >
> > -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
> >
> > 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
> >
> > It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood skyrocket. What
> was a $300k home last year is now listing and going under contract in 2-3
> days for over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.
> >
> > -D
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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

It’s like that around here too. Lotsa Yankees moving down here getting out of 
their northern hellholes. Unfortunately they bring their same attitudes with 
them with the same results. I don’t know where they’ll move on to after 
screwing this place up. 

I need to get my place on the market. 

Yankees — more profitable than cotton and easier to pick

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 6:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just looked at some real estate figures for the Tampa St. Pete area last 
> night:
> 
> 13.4% increase over the last year in closed sales
> 
> -58.6% change in inventory in the last year
> 
> 15.4% increase in median sale price in the last year
> 
> It’s crazy. We’re seeing home prices in our neighborhood skyrocket. What was 
> a $300k home last year is now listing and going under contract in 2-3 days 
> for over $400k. A great market if you’re selling.
> 
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