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And with the cost ofthe pump impellers being very low, I suggest replacing them yearly until you gain a feel for how fast they wear depending on the type and frequency of use they get, the kind of water they are used in (water with lots of sand stirred up tends to damage the impeller over time) and other factors. IIRC the impellers are approximately $10-$15 making them a real deal when it comes to boats. There's the saying that /*a boat is a hole surrounded by water that people pour money into*/. Very appropriate IMO... There's another that goes t/*he 2 happiest days in a boat owners life are the day he buys the boat and the day he sells it.*/ Then there's the affliction of bigger-boat-itis ;-) Happy boating - LarryT 91 300D On 6/24/2013 9:38 PM, MG wrote: Randy, You probably know all this but just in case. I don't know if that outdrive has a water pump with a rubber impeller in it but if it does be very careful to watch the temp gauge when you first get it into the water. Run the engine but stay right by the dock. If the boat hasn't been used for a couple of years the paddles on the impeller in the outdrive could break off. Running the engine on the water hose doesn't show the self destruction because of the water pressure from the hose. If it has come apart make sure you get all the pieces of rubber out of the water channel in the outdrive. Count them to make sure. BTDT. Any piece left in there can cause blockage and high engine temps and require taking the foot off again. Manfred Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:39:11 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca When I put it in the water and give it a good test run, if I discover some expensive problem, I will be hard pressed to continue repairs unless I can find a cheap used part and the install is not too difficult. That might just be throwing good money after bad. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 24/06/2013 8:38 PM, MG wrote: Randy, You probably know all this but just in case. I don't know if that outdrive has a water pump with a rubber impeller in it but if it does be very careful to watch the temp gauge when you first get it into the water. Run the engine but stay right by the dock. If the boat hasn't been used for a couple of years the paddles on the impeller in the outdrive could break off. Running the engine on the water hose doesn't show the self destruction because of the water pressure from the hose. If it has come apart make sure you get all the pieces of rubber out of the water channel in the outdrive. Count them to make sure. BTDT. Any piece left in there can cause blockage and high engine temps and require taking the foot off again. Manfred Yes, with these old OMC drives the motor cannot really be run on a hose unless one has the adapter doodad that goes on the pivot assembly. I don't have that so I removed the outdrive and ran the garden hose into the hose from the intermediate housing into the engine. Works fine that way but does not let one try the outdrive shift functions etc. The other way would be to drop the lower unit into a big tub of water. Somewhat difficult to do but I might yet try that. The impeller on these old OMC drives is quite different from the Mercruiser drives. It is larger in diameter for one thing. I am told that the OMC impeller tends to last much longer than the Mercruiser ones but I have no personal experience with either. I have a new water pump kit but have not installed it. I wanted to see if the unit was operable before doing much more work on it. I will watch the flow and make sure I don't toast the engine as it seems to be good. I have an issue that has shown up however and I don't know if it spells doom or not. The upper oil resevoir in the leg appears to be leaking oil. That may just be seals but I believe they may be a big job to change out. I have a friend who ran a marina for 30 plus years so I will speak to him and see what he thinks before I start tearing into it. It is not leaking too bad so I may gamble and throw it in the lake long enough to test it before doing much more. I did have some good news last evening. I determined that the bilge blower and pump do work. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy Bennell wrote: Yes, with these old OMC drives the motor cannot really be run on a hose unless one has the adapter doodad that goes on the pivot assembly. I don't have that so I removed the outdrive and ran the garden hose into the hose from the intermediate housing into the engine. Works fine that way but does not let one try the outdrive shift functions etc. The other way would be to drop the lower unit into a big tub of water. Somewhat difficult to do but I might yet try that. If you do the tub of water trick and shift it into gear, does it become a big empty tub when the prop starts spinning? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 25/06/2013 10:34 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: Yes, with these old OMC drives the motor cannot really be run on a hose unless one has the adapter doodad that goes on the pivot assembly. I don't have that so I removed the outdrive and ran the garden hose into the hose from the intermediate housing into the engine. Works fine that way but does not let one try the outdrive shift functions etc. The other way would be to drop the lower unit into a big tub of water. Somewhat difficult to do but I might yet try that. If you do the tub of water trick and shift it into gear, does it become a big empty tub when the prop starts spinning? Mitch. ___ In a word YES. You can blow a lot of water out of a tub pretty quickly with a prop that size. I should think it would be alright at idle and I mostly want to know if it will shift into forward and reverse. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The boat that I am currently working on is just something I need to be rid of. It is a 1973 18 foot Starcraft Holiday. I got it with the idea of fixing it up for my own use but then got another one very shortly after so this one became surplus. I offered it for sale a couple of times as is, with no success so decided I should improve it a little so that it might be more desirable. It had to have a new transom seal in order to put it in the water and try it out. The old one was so cracked, it would have sunk. I have installed the seal and now need to check out a couple of electrical issues and then should be ready to test it in the water. The bilge pump and the blower are not working and I don't know if they need to be replaced or if the wiring is faulty at the moment. May find out this evening. If I ultimately cannot sell it for what I want, then I could part it out and more than break even except for my labour. The engine runs fine on the garden hose, and is the 3.0, 4 cylinder GM engine that has been used for ever and ever so it should bring several hundred $. The outdrive and prop look reasonably good but I have yet to try it out so the outdrive is an unknown at the moment. If it works ok then it is worth several hundred $ as well. The trailer it sits on is worth close to a thousand $. I would need to clean it up a little with some new paint but the wheels and tires are good and I just put new lights on it. The aluminum hull will bring a good $ at the scrap yard if I strip the drivetrain and the plywood floor out so it is pretty well all aluminum when they weigh it. So, at the end of the day if I give up on selling it intact, I should not lose money. However, as I said, I like the boat. It has a pleasing shape and the hull is pretty decent. Starcraft made good boats back in the day. There are lots of them still going. It mainly needs new seats and carpet to look better. And, it is an OMC outdrive which of course is a bit obsolete. Some of the parts are becoming harder to find and there are not so many mechanics interested in working on them. They were good drives and there are lots of them still going but they have not been made in something like 25 years. That is the downside and the main reason that I acquired another boat and elected to devote my efforts to it as the keeper. The other boat is 20 foot aluminum Lund and has a Mercruiser outdrive so the parts are more available even though it too, is old and not all that valuable. I like the shape of the Starcraft better and have considered swapping the drivetrain from the Lund to the Starcraft and then dispsosing of the Lund hull but it is really more work than it is worth. I would not be creating something of value that would justify my time. I don't use a boat enough to justify a big dollar investment. I just like the idea of having it available since we have the cottage at the lake. My son has a 16 foot aluminum Alumacraft with an outboard motor that we use for fishing. It is not as comfortable as a cruiser however as it has only a side console with a smaller windshield that offers some protection to the driver and no canvas top. Randy On 21/06/2013 10:51 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote: The letters that make up the word BOAT stand for Break Out Another Thousand! Also known as a hole in the water that keeps swallowing your money. Yes, I am a boat owner. I have a newer boat, so I paid my money upfront. Do you know the two happiest days in a boat owners life? The first one is a day he buys it, and the second one is the day he sells it! Hopefully, we'll Have the time to get our boat on the water this year. Kevin in Laporte Colorado Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Well, I know you have a yard full of old MB's that might yield parts but even so, I am not prepared to agree with you. I am currently working on a free boat that I got in the late summer of 2010. So far, I have about $500 in it in parts and no idea how much time and I have yet to have it in the water. I keep finding more things wrong with it. Most recent is that the trim won't go up. I don't need the boat and I just want to re-sell it but it has no value as it is unless I want to part it out and take the hull to the scrap dealer, which I am reluctant to do, because I like the boat. It has a nice shape to it and I think it would be a shame to destroy it. So, the bottom line, is that I will not really break even on this poor old boat but I will preserve it for a while. No such thing as a cheap boat either. Randy who cannot resist a bargain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You're too far along to give up on it now. It sounds like a good boat. Hopefully, it either ends up being better than your other boat or you can get your money back out of it. If I had to pay for all of my labor on my projects, I would be the biggest loser. Usually, I do projects for fun, any money made would be a bonus. GOOD LUCK!!! Kevin in LaPorte, CO On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: The boat that I am currently working on is just something I need to be rid of. It is a 1973 18 foot Starcraft Holiday. I got it with the idea of fixing it up for my own use but then got another one very shortly after so this one became surplus. I offered it for sale a couple of times as is, with no success so decided I should improve it a little so that it might be more desirable. It had to have a new transom seal in order to put it in the water and try it out. The old one was so cracked, it would have sunk. I have installed the seal and now need to check out a couple of electrical issues and then should be ready to test it in the water. The bilge pump and the blower are not working and I don't know if they need to be replaced or if the wiring is faulty at the moment. May find out this evening. If I ultimately cannot sell it for what I want, then I could part it out and more than break even except for my labour. The engine runs fine on the garden hose, and is the 3.0, 4 cylinder GM engine that has been used for ever and ever so it should bring several hundred $. The outdrive and prop look reasonably good but I have yet to try it out so the outdrive is an unknown at the moment. If it works ok then it is worth several hundred $ as well. The trailer it sits on is worth close to a thousand $. I would need to clean it up a little with some new paint but the wheels and tires are good and I just put new lights on it. The aluminum hull will bring a good $ at the scrap yard if I strip the drivetrain and the plywood floor out so it is pretty well all aluminum when they weigh it. So, at the end of the day if I give up on selling it intact, I should not lose money. However, as I said, I like the boat. It has a pleasing shape and the hull is pretty decent. Starcraft made good boats back in the day. There are lots of them still going. It mainly needs new seats and carpet to look better. And, it is an OMC outdrive which of course is a bit obsolete. Some of the parts are becoming harder to find and there are not so many mechanics interested in working on them. They were good drives and there are lots of them still going but they have not been made in something like 25 years. That is the downside and the main reason that I acquired another boat and elected to devote my efforts to it as the keeper. The other boat is 20 foot aluminum Lund and has a Mercruiser outdrive so the parts are more available even though it too, is old and not all that valuable. I like the shape of the Starcraft better and have considered swapping the drivetrain from the Lund to the Starcraft and then dispsosing of the Lund hull but it is really more work than it is worth. I would not be creating something of value that would justify my time. I don't use a boat enough to justify a big dollar investment. I just like the idea of having it available since we have the cottage at the lake. My son has a 16 foot aluminum Alumacraft with an outboard motor that we use for fishing. It is not as comfortable as a cruiser however as it has only a side console with a smaller windshield that offers some protection to the driver and no canvas top. Randy On 21/06/2013 10:51 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote: The letters that make up the word BOAT stand for Break Out Another Thousand! Also known as a hole in the water that keeps swallowing your money. Yes, I am a boat owner. I have a newer boat, so I paid my money upfront. Do you know the two happiest days in a boat owners life? The first one is a day he buys it, and the second one is the day he sells it! Hopefully, we'll Have the time to get our boat on the water this year. Kevin in Laporte Colorado Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Well, I know you have a yard full of old MB's that might yield parts but even so, I am not prepared to agree with you. I am currently working on a free boat that I got in the late summer of 2010. So far, I have about $500 in it in parts and no idea how much time and I have yet to have it in the water. I keep finding more things wrong with it. Most recent is that the trim won't go up. I don't need the boat and I just want to re-sell it but it has no value as it is unless I want to part it out and take the hull to the scrap dealer, which I am reluctant to do, because I like the boat. It has a nice shape to it and I think it would be a shame to destroy it. So, the
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I have to say that I enjoy working on things like the boat. Unfortunately, I want to do more to it than I can justify if I am just going to sell it. A fellow I know is interested but he is not looking for a perfect boat. He just wants something cheap to go fishing with in an area where it may get scratched and banged up. It would be a bit of a shame to let it get roughed up, but it is 40 years old and not exactly a collectors item so it is unlikely to be treated as such. When I put it in the water and give it a good test run, if I discover some expensive problem, I will be hard pressed to continue repairs unless I can find a cheap used part and the install is not too difficult. That might just be throwing good money after bad. I have my fingers crossed and should soon know. It is almost ready to try. Unfortunately, the rivers close by are all running high at the moment and the authorities have closed all of the launch ramps. If I want to test it, I will have to haul it a fair way out of town. If I do that, I may just haul it back out to the cottage. If it runs well, I will bring it back for a fellow who has expressed interest so he can try it. If it does not work well, i will just leave it at the cottage for now. Randy On 24/06/2013 4:26 PM, Kevin Allen Kraly wrote: You're too far along to give up on it now. It sounds like a good boat. Hopefully, it either ends up being better than your other boat or you can get your money back out of it. If I had to pay for all of my labor on my projects, I would be the biggest loser. Usually, I do projects for fun, any money made would be a bonus. GOOD LUCK!!! Kevin in LaPorte, CO On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: The boat that I am currently working on is just something I need to be rid of. It is a 1973 18 foot Starcraft Holiday. I got it with the idea of fixing it up for my own use but then got another one very shortly after so this one became surplus. I offered it for sale a couple of times as is, with no success so decided I should improve it a little so that it might be more desirable. It had to have a new transom seal in order to put it in the water and try it out. The old one was so cracked, it would have sunk. I have installed the seal and now need to check out a couple of electrical issues and then should be ready to test it in the water. The bilge pump and the blower are not working and I don't know if they need to be replaced or if the wiring is faulty at the moment. May find out this evening. If I ultimately cannot sell it for what I want, then I could part it out and more than break even except for my labour. The engine runs fine on the garden hose, and is the 3.0, 4 cylinder GM engine that has been used for ever and ever so it should bring several hundred $. The outdrive and prop look reasonably good but I have yet to try it out so the outdrive is an unknown at the moment. If it works ok then it is worth several hundred $ as well. The trailer it sits on is worth close to a thousand $. I would need to clean it up a little with some new paint but the wheels and tires are good and I just put new lights on it. The aluminum hull will bring a good $ at the scrap yard if I strip the drivetrain and the plywood floor out so it is pretty well all aluminum when they weigh it. So, at the end of the day if I give up on selling it intact, I should not lose money. However, as I said, I like the boat. It has a pleasing shape and the hull is pretty decent. Starcraft made good boats back in the day. There are lots of them still going. It mainly needs new seats and carpet to look better. And, it is an OMC outdrive which of course is a bit obsolete. Some of the parts are becoming harder to find and there are not so many mechanics interested in working on them. They were good drives and there are lots of them still going but they have not been made in something like 25 years. That is the downside and the main reason that I acquired another boat and elected to devote my efforts to it as the keeper. The other boat is 20 foot aluminum Lund and has a Mercruiser outdrive so the parts are more available even though it too, is old and not all that valuable. I like the shape of the Starcraft better and have considered swapping the drivetrain from the Lund to the Starcraft and then dispsosing of the Lund hull but it is really more work than it is worth. I would not be creating something of value that would justify my time. I don't use a boat enough to justify a big dollar investment. I just like the idea of having it available since we have the cottage at the lake. My son has a 16 foot aluminum Alumacraft with an outboard motor that we use for fishing. It is not as comfortable as a cruiser however as it has only a side console with a smaller windshield that offers some protection to the driver and no canvas top. Randy On 21/06/2013 10:51 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote: The letters
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Randy, You probably know all this but just in case. I don't know if that outdrive has a water pump with a rubber impeller in it but if it does be very careful to watch the temp gauge when you first get it into the water. Run the engine but stay right by the dock. If the boat hasn't been used for a couple of years the paddles on the impeller in the outdrive could break off. Running the engine on the water hose doesn't show the self destruction because of the water pressure from the hose. If it has come apart make sure you get all the pieces of rubber out of the water channel in the outdrive. Count them to make sure. BTDT. Any piece left in there can cause blockage and high engine temps and require taking the foot off again. Manfred Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:39:11 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca When I put it in the water and give it a good test run, if I discover some expensive problem, I will be hard pressed to continue repairs unless I can find a cheap used part and the install is not too difficult. That might just be throwing good money after bad. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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my father in law had an old Starcraft I/O with the 80HP Renault engine. A couple years ago, I bought this old '69 17' Glasply with the Renault 80HP I/O in it complete with the crank operated outdrive tilting mechanism. I didn't know it at the time, but it had rot in the seat frames. I stayed with my plan to fix it up since the hull and floor/stringers were sound as well as the engine/outdrive. Other than the shifting linkage whose cable was held on with a hose clamp rather than a nut which I corrected, it didn't take much other than new seats and carpet. I never put it on the water since no one else wanted to take the risk. I got my money out of it and moved up to a better, larger boat that could occommodate 4 adults and pull a skier (me). Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've got room in the front and the back for foam, and it's goin' in before it goes out again! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300Sd 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would personally be very interested in seeing how well that would work. I currently have a couple of aluminum boats with 2 stroke outboard motors. I would like to get an inboard outboard but have been shying away from the larger engines due to fuel costs. There are 120 to 140 horse 4 cylinder versions out there and I wonder how well a MB diesel would handle the boat if used as a replacement. I am guessing the engine would be heavier and obviously a 240D does not put out similar horsepower but diesels have good torque and I wonder if that would help to offset the loss of HP. Unfortunately, I don't know a whole lot about the gearing etc of the existing setups. I am assuming that the gas motor would run something like 4 to 5K rpm at or close to full throttle. I am assuming the diesel would not be happy at that rpm so one would have to regear in some manner to keep the rpm of the prop in the range it expects. Lots of these boats are capable of pretty good speed on the water. I don't really care about going all that fast. It has to get on plane but 20 mph would be fine instead of 40 mph. Would love to hear from anyone with direct experience and or good insight. I'm not an engineer and I may be way off on some of my thoughts on this. One advantage would of course be reduced concern about fuel vapour and the possibility of explosion and fire. Gas inboards some times do that. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hendrik Fay Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Boats One would have thought that by now the Diesel crowd would have suggested an OM something would be ideal for a boat. Just don't go up any hills in it. Hendrik with no boat Jim Cathey wrote: What a shame about your boat motor, Jim! Are you planning to repower it or just give up on it? Plan to fix it, whatever's wrong. Repower is a distant second, new motors are U-gly. (And north of $6k.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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240D does not put out similar horsepower but diesels have good torque and I wonder if that would help to offset the loss of HP. I suspect that the torque (acceleration) vs HP (speed) thing is less useful for boats, so that one would miss any horsepower that weren't there. Don't small boats spend a whole lot of their time at or near top speed? gas motor would run ~ 4 to 5K rpm at or close to full throttle. Mine does. Around 4400 RPM at speed on the lake. I am assuming the diesel would not be happy at that rpm The MB diesels run up there, but would probably be happier somewhat slower. so one would have to regear in some manner to keep the rpm of the prop in the range it expects. On my boat that was done with prop selection. The pitch of the prop is in effect the final 'road gear'. I got both carburetors off my motor. No sign of gunk in them in spite of not having run since '91. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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with 2 stroke outboard motors. I would like to get an inboard outboard Why? You'd lose a lot of space to the motor that is now hanging off the back of the transom. That's one thing I really like about our outboard boat, lots of interior space for its size. The squared open bow can seat something like five in a pinch, and there's no motor in back to take up valuable cooler space. Modern pointy-toed open bow boats are lucky to hold two up front. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am assuming the diesel would not be happy at that rpm The MB diesels run up there, but would probably be happier somewhat slower. MB 61x diesels have a redline around 5000 RPM. My understanding is that they were built to cruise on the Autobahn with one's foot to the floor all day long. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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MB 4 cyl engines with cast iron heads (OM 621, 615, 616) all run down the road at rpm between 4 and 5k. The mode of operation is pretty much floor it until you need to slow down or stop. Modifying these engines for marine use has been done, but requires some engineering and manufacturing. At 10:58 AM 7/25/2008, you wrote: I would personally be very interested in seeing how well that would work. I currently have a couple of aluminum boats with 2 stroke outboard motors. I would like to get an inboard outboard but have been shying away from the larger engines due to fuel costs. There are 120 to 140 horse 4 cylinder versions out there and I wonder how well a MB diesel would handle the boat if used as a replacement. I am guessing the engine would be heavier and obviously a 240D does not put out similar horsepower but diesels have good torque and I wonder if that would help to offset the loss of HP. Unfortunately, I don't know a whole lot about the gearing etc of the existing setups. I am assuming that the gas motor would run something like 4 to 5K rpm at or close to full throttle. I am assuming the diesel would not be happy at that rpm so one would have to regear in some manner to keep the rpm of the prop in the range it expects. Lots of these boats are capable of pretty good speed on the water. I don't really care about going all that fast. It has to get on plane but 20 mph would be fine instead of 40 mph. Would love to hear from anyone with direct experience and or good insight. I'm not an engineer and I may be way off on some of my thoughts on this. One advantage would of course be reduced concern about fuel vapour and the possibility of explosion and fire. Gas inboards some times do that. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hendrik Fay Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Boats One would have thought that by now the Diesel crowd would have suggested an OM something would be ideal for a boat. Just don't go up any hills in it. Hendrik with no boat Jim Cathey wrote: What a shame about your boat motor, Jim! Are you planning to repower it or just give up on it? Plan to fix it, whatever's wrong. Repower is a distant second, new motors are U-gly. (And north of $6k.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Partly looking for better fuel economy on a bigger boat. Older 2 strokes are dirty and inefficient on fuel. Newer 4 stroke or injected 2 stroke outboards are expensive. My alternative is to try an I/O with one of the smaller motors. Then I start thinking about diesel. No real idea if that is sound thinking - just something I have always wanted to try. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:11 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Boats with 2 stroke outboard motors. I would like to get an inboard outboard Why? You'd lose a lot of space to the motor that is now hanging off the back of the transom. That's one thing I really like about our outboard boat, lots of interior space for its size. The squared open bow can seat something like five in a pinch, and there's no motor in back to take up valuable cooler space. Modern pointy-toed open bow boats are lucky to hold two up front. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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To start with, one would need some form of adaptor to mate the engine to the drive system. Then usually, marine engines have water jacketed exhaust manifolds. I assume that may be to keep the engine compartment cool as much as to cool the engine since the engine is usually housed in a small box. Most I/O's would have raw water cooling systems rather than a closed system but one could do a closed system I guess - more common on salt water vessels. I only operate in fresh water lake with reasonably cool water so not much of a corrosion issue. Could mount the fuel tank in the bow to even out the weight a bit. Prop selection would essentially be changing gearing I guess. Still wonder if 240D engine has sufficient umph to make it work. As I said earlier, not too concerned about top speed. So long as it would get on plane things should be acceptable. Problem might be the length of time and distance it would take to get on plane, especially if the boat was loaded down with people etc. Don't think it would be a ski boat. Back in the late 60's (or early 70's) my father in law had an old Starcraft I/O with the 80HP Renault engine. I remember being in that boat with several other people and trying to get it to plane. We ran a long way with all of us up by the windshield trying to shift enough weight forward to get it on plane. It finally did, and then would remain on plane so long as one did not slow the engine speed. The main issue was that the boat leaked quite badly and there was no doubt quite a bit of water in the bilge that added a lot of weight and of course shifted to the stern as soon as one took off and the bow lifted. It was so bad when they quit running it that it had to be parked nearest the shore. It would settle to the bottom over night. The boat was aluminum and there were cracks in the hull down about the water line where the formed in spray rails were. He gave it to my wife and I and I sold it a year or so later to someone who repaired it. That was about the time that I went back to university and as such did not have the financial ability to hang on to it and repair it (which was the initial intention when he gave it to us). Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:48 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Boats MB 4 cyl engines with cast iron heads (OM 621, 615, 616) all run down the road at rpm between 4 and 5k. The mode of operation is pretty much floor it until you need to slow down or stop. Modifying these engines for marine use has been done, but requires some engineering and manufacturing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A mistaken assumption, the OM engines are limited to something like 5500rpm and are quite content to wail away at that speed all day long. When I used to commute with my 240D there were many occasions we'd hit 495N and rise up to maximum speed (86mph?) and hold there for 20 minutes until my exit. Never felt like I'd have any worry about doing that all day... -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:58:36 -0500 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Boats To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I am assuming that the gas motor would run something like 4 to 5K rpm at or close to full throttle. I am assuming the diesel would not be happy at that rpm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Diesel thinking makes sense for the reasons you mentioned. While MB makes marine Diesels, they are rare as hen's teeth in Norte America. I am only cautioning about the conversion costs. At 12:06 PM 7/25/2008, you wrote: Partly looking for better fuel economy on a bigger boat. Older 2 strokes are dirty and inefficient on fuel. Newer 4 stroke or injected 2 stroke outboards are expensive. My alternative is to try an I/O with one of the smaller motors. Then I start thinking about diesel. No real idea if that is sound thinking - just something I have always wanted to try. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:11 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Boats with 2 stroke outboard motors. I would like to get an inboard outboard Why? You'd lose a lot of space to the motor that is now hanging off the back of the transom. That's one thing I really like about our outboard boat, lots of interior space for its size. The squared open bow can seat something like five in a pinch, and there's no motor in back to take up valuable cooler space. Modern pointy-toed open bow boats are lucky to hold two up front. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've got a bunch of the packing peanuts lying around along with some styrofoam and even some air pouches from packaging. I GUERANTEE that it won't go down ever again unless the hull is compromised! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Na, Cathey never buys nothin' new :D! By repowering, I was thinking along the lines of a used motor rather than fixing that one. Hopefully, it can be fix rather than being totally fried. On the subject of boats, I had quite an outing with my RC boat last time on the water a couple days ago while on the lake with the real boat! It's a 36 nitro-powered boat that can go 35MPH. It was only the second time out with it, so the engine isn't broken in yet. First, it died in the middle of the lake and had to be retrieved and restarted which went pretty well. I got it up and running again and headed out onto the open water. It was really going FAST! Before I knew it, it hit a wave, caught air, flipped over and immediately began to sink! We raced over to it with the motorboat, and I jumped into the water to retrieve it. With some direction, I swam over and grabbed it just as the bow was about to go under! It has now been dubbed The Titanic! Luckily, the fuel supply to the engine was cut off before the water came in which would have hydrolocked it immediately! I think it's going to be fine since everything but the throttle servo still works. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One would have thought that by now the Diesel crowd would have suggested an OM something would be ideal for a boat. Just don't go up any hills in it. Hendrik with no boat Jim Cathey wrote: What a shame about your boat motor, Jim! Are you planning to repower it or just give up on it? Plan to fix it, whatever's wrong. Repower is a distant second, new motors are U-gly. (And north of $6k.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kevin Kraly wrote: I swam over and grabbed it just as the bow was about to go under! You got room for a block of EPS or EPP foam under the forward decking? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One would have thought that by now the Diesel crowd would have suggested an OM something would be ideal for a boat. Just don't go up any hills in it. I can just see that goodyear blimp powerhead perched on top of the little neck of the outboard Merc! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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grabbed it just as the bow was about to go under! It has now been dubbed The Titanic! Time for some packing peanuts stuffed into the works! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually, MB Diesels are often seen in high end sail boats - especially those built in Europe. Volvo is also popular - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Boats One would have thought that by now the Diesel crowd would have suggested an OM something would be ideal for a boat. Just don't go up any hills in it. Hendrik with no boat Jim Cathey wrote: What a shame about your boat motor, Jim! Are you planning to repower it or just give up on it? Plan to fix it, whatever's wrong. Repower is a distant second, new motors are U-gly. (And north of $6k.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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...new motors are U-gly. I was at the boat parts place today, and they had a late-60's Fiberform boat there. Small, a nice tidy little boat, and in pretty good shape. It reminded me somewhat of what I remember of the boat my family had before this one. But it was shiny, and the chrome was still decent. Looked nice, something to be proud of. Except for that brand-new ugly-as-a-basketball-shoe Evinrude 40 squatting on the back. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What a shame about your boat motor, Jim! Are you planning to repower it or just give up on it? Plan to fix it, whatever's wrong. Repower is a distant second, new motors are U-gly. (And north of $6k.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Do you want to know the two happiest days for a boat owner? The day the boat was purchased, and the day it was SOLD! Actually, I do have a great time on our 21' 220HP Mercruiser I/O deck boat, but I wouldn't buy it if I had to do it all over again. I would buy a nice, used, pre-depreciated model rather than taking the hit myself. What a shame about your boat motor, Jim! Are you planning to repower it or just give up on it? Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There was an article in the paper about all the nice large boats that are being repossessed. With that glut on the market, one should be able to find a nice hole in the water into which cash will flow. Here we have five boats and some PWC that should sell for pennies. http://www.murphyauctions.net/kenmore08jul.html clay On 20 Jul 2008, at 23:15, Kevin Kraly wrote: Do you want to know the two happiest days for a boat owner? The day the boat was purchased, and the day it was SOLD! Actually, I do have a great time on our 21' 220HP Mercruiser I/O deck boat, but I wouldn't buy it if I had to do it all over again. I would buy a nice, used, pre-depreciated model rather than taking the hit myself. What a shame about your boat motor, Jim! Are you planning to repower it or just give up on it? Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You haven't heard? A boat is a hole in the water that you pour money into. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 7/20/08 6:41 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Boats What kind of boat? It's a '74 fiberform, 18.5' open-bow tri-hull. Nice lake boat. In total disgrace because the 850 Merc engine puked and died the second day into the vacation, and will barely run. I was unable to disassemble the motor enough to liberate the carburetors, so it's back home sitting on the trailer. Stinking boats. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.5.2/1562 - Release Date: 7/19/2008 2:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Did a search on this subject several months ago, but dropped the project .. Nanni Diesels did convert Mercedes diesel to marine application Mercedes OM636, marine conversion from the 170D sedan produced after ww2 . 38 mpg The sad results, but not final to my liking, is as we all know the USA is anti-diesel ... other parts of the world are suppliers ... found a local place in MD connected to Nanni Diesel maybe they can make the final word on this question ... http://www.waterwaymarine.com/services.php? http://www.west-4x4.demon.co.uk/om636/170D.html http://www.west-4x4.demon.co.uk/om636/ http://www.nannidiesel.com/ http://www.practical-sailor.com/newspics/charts/84Questions4.pdf Bill 1981 300 TD carbucks wrote: I, too, would love to replace my ailing Mercruiser 140 (GM four cylinder iron duke engine) with an MB five cylinder diesel. Anyone been there, done that? Martin 84 300SD 300 000 miles 85 300SD 300 000 km John Berryman wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 3:44 PM, R A Bennell wrote: Give me your opinions please. Randy B You will need the parts to marinize whatever engine you chose. If you find a source for drive adapters and plumbing/manifolds let me know as I plan on replacing a ford 6 with MB turbodiesel in my 22' Caulkins Craft BarTender. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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On Mar 16, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Potter, Tom E wrote: Not at all. A turbocharger emits a very high-frequency sound. Even higher than a turbine engine. Remember, these turbochargers turn over 100k rpm. BTW, I also worked on gas turbine engines (ADJ-1, USN), and I found the turbochargers more of a hearing problem. Tom Potter I already lost half my hearing at an Aerosmith concert many, many moons ago. I am serious about putting a 617.952 in my Bartender. Are you aware of any MB marine engines/parts? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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I knew I'd find it again: http://www.coastalboatsales.com/jfraley/gallery/scubaboo?page=1 Lots and lots of pages, so keep looking, there's plenty of marinized MB diesel photos to drool over. On 3/16/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 16, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Potter, Tom E wrote: Not at all. A turbocharger emits a very high-frequency sound. Even higher than a turbine engine. Remember, these turbochargers turn over 100k rpm. BTW, I also worked on gas turbine engines (ADJ-1, USN), and I found the turbochargers more of a hearing problem. Tom Potter I already lost half my hearing at an Aerosmith concert many, many moons ago. I am serious about putting a 617.952 in my Bartender. Are you aware of any MB marine engines/parts? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (212k) '84 300D (211k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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I think there was an article in the Star a few years ago about the M-B engines used in marine applications. For marine applications, you will need to reconfigure the cooling system and the exhaust system, primarily. I would use a keel cooler for the cooling system. The water-cooled exhaust is primarily to keep the heat out of the engine compartment. Finding a water-cooled exhaust for the OM617 might be problematic, though I am sure someone has done this before. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Berryman Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Boats On Mar 16, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Potter, Tom E wrote: Not at all. A turbocharger emits a very high-frequency sound. Even higher than a turbine engine. Remember, these turbochargers turn over 100k rpm. BTW, I also worked on gas turbine engines (ADJ-1, USN), and I found the turbochargers more of a hearing problem. Tom Potter I already lost half my hearing at an Aerosmith concert many, many moons ago. I am serious about putting a 617.952 in my Bartender. Are you aware of any MB marine engines/parts? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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On Mar 17, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Potter, Tom E wrote: For marine applications, you will need to reconfigure the cooling system and the exhaust system, primarily. I would use a keel cooler for the cooling system. The water-cooled exhaust is primarily to keep the heat out of the engine compartment. Finding a water-cooled exhaust for the OM617 might be problematic, though I am sure someone has done this before. Tom Potter I'm aware of what needs to be done, I was a marine mechanic for many years. Its the availability of parts specifically for that engine that I'm unsure of. The Ford in the boat drives the gearbox from the front of the crank. I'd love to put a BW Velvet-Drive behind the MB engine and get the correct prop for rotation change. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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Zeitgeist wrote: I've always thought the combination of gasolene and wood construction sounded like a bad idea, so diesel just made sense to me. The VW engine would produce ~52hp at maybe 3200rpm, or maybe less--I forget. 52 hp at 4800 rpm, for the non-turbo 1.6L. The 1.5L puts out 48 hp at 5000 rpm. David Brodbeck '83 300D Turbo
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Sheesh, clearly it's been a long time since I handled those engines. It's simply amazing that the slightly larger 1.9L tdi engines are able to produce their peak torque at ~1900 rpm. I really miss my '96 Passat tdi. On 3/15/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 52 hp at 4800 rpm, for the non-turbo 1.6L. The 1.5L puts out 48 hp at 5000 rpm. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (211k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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I, too, would love to replace my ailing Mercruiser 140 (GM four cylinder iron duke engine) with an MB five cylinder diesel. Anyone been there, done that? Martin 84 300SD 300 000 miles 85 300SD 300 000 km John Berryman wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 3:44 PM, R A Bennell wrote: Give me your opinions please. Randy B You will need the parts to marinize whatever engine you chose. If you find a source for drive adapters and plumbing/manifolds let me know as I plan on replacing a ford 6 with MB turbodiesel in my 22' Caulkins Craft BarTender. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Are you sure you aren't confusing turbo engines with turbine engines here? On 3/16/06, Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turbos can destroy your hearing. -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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Not at all. A turbocharger emits a very high-frequency sound. Even higher than a turbine engine. Remember, these turbochargers turn over 100k rpm. BTW, I also worked on gas turbine engines (ADJ-1, USN), and I found the turbochargers more of a hearing problem. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LT Don Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Boats Are you sure you aren't confusing turbo engines with turbine engines here? On 3/16/06, Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turbos can destroy your hearing. -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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When I entered the Coast Guard, I had just finished up four years in college as a music major and then one year working as a musician. Had great hearing. Within the next couple of years, R-1820 recip engines then took out my low freqs, and turbine helicopters took out the high freqs. Music doesn't sound like it once did. On 3/16/06, Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not at all. A turbocharger emits a very high-frequency sound. Even higher than a turbine engine. Remember, these turbochargers turn over 100k rpm. BTW, I also worked on gas turbine engines (ADJ-1, USN), and I found the turbochargers more of a hearing problem. -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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That might require a bit more conversion John. The article I read indicates that the builder used a belt drive to power the shaft and essentially created his own cooling system using an agricultural diaphram pump. The info is a bit sparse but he appears to have wrapped copper pipe around the manifold for cooling and says it works fine. Really a very basic boat in one way but quite different in another. Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Berryman Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Boats On Mar 15, 2006, at 3:44 PM, R A Bennell wrote: Give me your opinions please. Randy B You will need the parts to marinize whatever engine you chose. If you find a source for drive adapters and plumbing/manifolds let me know as I plan on replacing a ford 6 with MB turbodiesel in my 22' Caulkins Craft BarTender. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___
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Somewhere there's a great website with a very detailed photo-log one guy's efforts to re-power his boat with twin marinized OM617 turbo engines. Hopefully someone around here has the link. On 3/16/06, carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I, too, would love to replace my ailing Mercruiser 140 (GM four cylinder iron duke engine) with an MB five cylinder diesel. Anyone been there, done that? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (212k) '84 300D (211k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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I think a company called Pathfinder Marine used to market a kit to install a VW diesel engine in a boat. Since they're relatively inexpensive, robust and plentiful, they'd be an interesting choice. I think the later 1.6L NA w/hyd lifters would be ideal. On 3/15/06, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on here read Wooden Boat magazine? Most recent issue has an interesting article on a boat designed by Atkins (if I recall correctly) called in his plans, Rescue Minor. It is an interesting hull configuration that will run in about 6 inches of water. The original design (from a long while back obviously) called for a 4 cylinder engine. The author of the article/builder in this case modified the design substantially (using strip and epoxy for curves in place of plywood with sharper corners) and installed a modern 3 cylinder Kubota diesel engine. My reason for bringing this up, apart from the fact that it is an interesting article and I would be happy to chat with anyone who has or will read the article to try and pick their brains, is to seek some advice on an alternate engine source if I were to build one of these things. What would be a good modern engine to drop in if one did not wish to spend the kind of money required to purchase a new Kubota type engine. The fuel economy on it is apparently great - about 1/2 gallon per hour at 17 mph loaded or empty. It might not justify the cost of the engine in my case given how much I might use it. I might be happier to acquire a cheap used engine of some sort. An MB diesel would likely be too heavy. Most modern small car engines are rather complex what with the FI computers etc. One wonders how successful a transplant into a boat might be. So that would leave one looking for an older small 4 cylinder car engine maybe and the carbed versions are becoming much more scarce. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (211k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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Interesting, as I had not really thought about a VW diesel. I was really thinking more along the lines of a gasoline engine. It need not be a high reving thing. An old Chevette engine would likely do if I could find one that was intact. It only needs something like 25 HP at 2000 RPM if memory serves correct. I don't have the article in front of me. The hull shape is such that more power won't really help much in terms of speed. Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zeitgeist Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:35 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Boats I think a company called Pathfinder Marine used to market a kit to install a VW diesel engine in a boat. Since they're relatively inexpensive, robust and plentiful, they'd be an interesting choice. I think the later 1.6L NA w/hyd lifters would be ideal. On 3/15/06, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on here read Wooden Boat magazine? Most recent issue has an interesting article on a boat designed by Atkins (if I recall correctly) called in his plans, Rescue Minor. It is an interesting hull configuration that will run in about 6 inches of water. The original design (from a long while back obviously) called for a 4 cylinder engine. The author of the article/builder in this case modified the design substantially (using strip and epoxy for curves in place of plywood with sharper corners) and installed a modern 3 cylinder Kubota diesel engine. My reason for bringing this up, apart from the fact that it is an interesting article and I would be happy to chat with anyone who has or will read the article to try and pick their brains, is to seek some advice on an alternate engine source if I were to build one of these things. What would be a good modern engine to drop in if one did not wish to spend the kind of money required to purchase a new Kubota type engine. The fuel economy on it is apparently great - about 1/2 gallon per hour at 17 mph loaded or empty. It might not justify the cost of the engine in my case given how much I might use it. I might be happier to acquire a cheap used engine of some sort. An MB diesel would likely be too heavy. Most modern small car engines are rather complex what with the FI computers etc. One wonders how successful a transplant into a boat might be. So that would leave one looking for an older small 4 cylinder car engine maybe and the carbed versions are becoming much more scarce. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (211k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) ___
