Re: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique
If that's the case, then sounds like the right way to do it! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Levi Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 3:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique I don't think they're power or back flushing anything. The ones I've seen and had done hook up in-line with the tranny cooler lines. I believe the tranny's really doing all the pumping. The machine just has a couple reservoirs for clean and dirty oil and you can see the nasty junk come out and the good stuff go in, and you proceed until the oil coming out looks nice and clean. Much better in my opinion that simply changing maybe 1/2 the fluid and leaving the rest old and nasty in the torque converter. (since most cars don't allow you to drain it like the Mercedes). Levi On 5/10/06, Dillon, Meade LCDR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, I'm also suspicious of the flushing. I've heard bad things about back-flushing or power flushing transmissions. They're probably correct on the difference from the manual quantity. If you didn't pay for it and no harm was done, I wouldn't worry about it. If you're paying for the fluid, I'd ask that they don't flush it next time, and I'd certainly not agree to any back flush or power flush. Very respectfully, /s/ Meade Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 287k miles '85 190D 2.2 5 spd 106k miles '85 300TD Euro 5spd 327k miles *sold* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique I'm taking the wife's Honda CRV into the dealer for an oil change (we got several free oil changes as part of the deal of purchasing vehicle). And I'm going to ask them what it would take to make the vehicle capable of running E-85. I'm going to run something past y'all that they told me last time. They changed the trannie fluid, and I noticed on the invoice that it took like 12 quarts or so (maybe more, I forget) - a lot more than I thought it should. Their explanation is that they always flush the trannie when changing fluid, and they actually use fresh trannie fluid to do the flushing. I really question this, as it seems very wasteful. In addition, he told me the capacity on the thing was more than the manual says, explaning that it's because the manual quotes capacity for simply changing the fluid without completely emptying it (torque converter, etc.). Sound fishy? Or not? Brian 83 240D 2000 Honda CRV ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique
You're right. It's just that's its regarding a Honda. But it is quite relevant, I agree. Brian On 5/10/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is this thread labeled OT??? I think it is very much ON topic! On 5/10/06, Dillon, Meade LCDR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's the case, then sounds like the right way to do it! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Levi Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 3:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique I don't think they're power or back flushing anything. The ones I've seen and had done hook up in-line with the tranny cooler lines. I believe the tranny's really doing all the pumping. The machine just has a couple reservoirs for clean and dirty oil and you can see the nasty junk come out and the good stuff go in, and you proceed until the oil coming out looks nice and clean. Much better in my opinion that simply changing maybe 1/2 the fluid and leaving the rest old and nasty in the torque converter. (since most cars don't allow you to drain it like the Mercedes). Levi On 5/10/06, Dillon, Meade LCDR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, I'm also suspicious of the flushing. I've heard bad things about back-flushing or power flushing transmissions. They're probably correct on the difference from the manual quantity. If you didn't pay for it and no harm was done, I wouldn't worry about it. If you're paying for the fluid, I'd ask that they don't flush it next time, and I'd certainly not agree to any back flush or power flush. Very respectfully, /s/ Meade Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 287k miles '85 190D 2.2 5 spd 106k miles '85 300TD Euro 5spd 327k miles *sold* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique I'm taking the wife's Honda CRV into the dealer for an oil change (we got several free oil changes as part of the deal of purchasing vehicle). And I'm going to ask them what it would take to make the vehicle capable of running E-85. I'm going to run something past y'all that they told me last time. They changed the trannie fluid, and I noticed on the invoice that it took like 12 quarts or so (maybe more, I forget) - a lot more than I thought it should. Their explanation is that they always flush the trannie when changing fluid, and they actually use fresh trannie fluid to do the flushing. I really question this, as it seems very wasteful. In addition, he told me the capacity on the thing was more than the manual says, explaning that it's because the manual quotes capacity for simply changing the fluid without completely emptying it (torque converter, etc.). Sound fishy? Or not? Brian 83 240D 2000 Honda CRV ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique
The only problem is the filter isn't being changed. If you've got crud clogging up the filter, the flush either leaves it there or pulls it on through the filter. Both are bad. I took my daughter's Pathfinder in for a 60K service one time when she was in a hurry and I couldn't fdo it. I specified I didn't want the tranny flushed, but wanted them to drop the pan and replace the filter. About a month later, she was stranded when the transmission refused to go into gear. Pulled the drain plug and found Kaleb's pepto in the pan. When I got the tranny to a rebuilder I trust, he mentioned that the pan had never been off before. Still had the sealant gunk from the factory on it. Hindsight, of course, would leave me to suspect the shop that did the 60K service flushed it with water-contaminated fluid. I want to see the seal on the transmission fluid bottles break myself now! Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 5/10/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard them talking about this on Car Talk the other day. Apparently the guys think its a great idea as it will completely swap out all the fluid in the trans. I've had it done a couple times on my Dodge Pickup truck inbetween filter changes. That truck has 187kmi on what I'm reasonably sure is the original transmission. I've had it for 135kmi anyway. -Curt
Re: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique
You do want to make sure they're still changing the filter. They USED to do it at the quick lube around here as part of the service, but now it's a Jiffy-lube and they don't want to get internal, though for an extra $60 or something they will usually do it. If I recall correctly the way they described it (which seemed ot make sense) was that they replaced the filter, and then flushed and only the clean oil from the machine was going through the filter until the flush was completed. I guess I'm assuming if that is correct that one of the oil cooler lines goes more or less directly into the filter before continuing on into the tranny?... Levi On 5/11/06, Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only problem is the filter isn't being changed. If you've got crud clogging up the filter, the flush either leaves it there or pulls it on through the filter. Both are bad. I took my daughter's Pathfinder in for a 60K service one time when she was in a hurry and I couldn't fdo it. I specified I didn't want the tranny flushed, but wanted them to drop the pan and replace the filter. About a month later, she was stranded when the transmission refused to go into gear. Pulled the drain plug and found Kaleb's pepto in the pan. When I got the tranny to a rebuilder I trust, he mentioned that the pan had never been off before. Still had the sealant gunk from the factory on it. Hindsight, of course, would leave me to suspect the shop that did the 60K service flushed it with water-contaminated fluid. I want to see the seal on the transmission fluid bottles break myself now! Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 5/10/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard them talking about this on Car Talk the other day. Apparently the guys think its a great idea as it will completely swap out all the fluid in the trans. I've had it done a couple times on my Dodge Pickup truck inbetween filter changes. That truck has 187kmi on what I'm reasonably sure is the original transmission. I've had it for 135kmi anyway. -Curt ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique
Replacing the filter first is really the way to do it. Unfortunately, what I've observed is that the lazy SOBs use the machine when they DON'T want to go to the trouble of dropping the pan and replacing the filter. Whichever way you go, make sure you understand what you're paying for before the work is done. Then, make sure it really did get done the way you wanted! The theory's all good, but in general, the only guys I've ever heard recommend the use of the flushing machines were guys that had to make payments on a brand new flushing machine. YMMV. Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 5/11/06, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You do want to make sure they're still changing the filter. They USED to do it at the quick lube around here as part of the service, but now it's a Jiffy-lube and they don't want to get internal, though for an extra $60 or something they will usually do it. If I recall correctly the way they described it (which seemed ot make sense) was that they replaced the filter, and then flushed and only the clean oil from the machine was going through the filter until the flush was completed. I guess I'm assuming if that is correct that one of the oil cooler lines goes more or less directly into the filter before continuing on into the tranny?... Levi
Re: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique
The Flex-Fuel vehicles sold in Brazil are shipped with a small second gas tank designed to contain gasoline. The winters in Brazil get cold enough to cause starting problems when running ethanol. The car's electronics automate the gasoline purge on shutdown. -Dave Walton 94S350, 99E300 On 5/10/06, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with the last post. Sounds pretty reasonable to me. As for the E85, I think it would take way too much unless it's sold as a flex-fuel vehicle. As for the flushing, my main hesitation would be how old is it? I wouldn't bother with a flush before about 60-100K miles (depending on how safe you want to be). But yes, I've had several flushes done. It depends on how bad your fluid is and how much your system holds as to how much they use. I've seen quite a few gallons go through some of my dirtier vehicles that I let go for more than 100K miles between changes. The machines I've seen you can watch the fluid go through to see when you start getting clean fluid coming out. The only thing I've noticed lately to be careful of is that some of the quick-change places aren't changing filters anymore, and that's inexcusable to me... And yeah, the manual could definitely be listing only an amount for not changing out the torque converter, etc... (not say it IS, but definitely possible)... Levi (: On 5/10/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm taking the wife's Honda CRV into the dealer for an oil change (we got several free oil changes as part of the deal of purchasing vehicle). And I'm going to ask them what it would take to make the vehicle capable of running E-85. I'm going to run something past y'all that they told me last time. They changed the trannie fluid, and I noticed on the invoice that it took like 12 quarts or so (maybe more, I forget) - a lot more than I thought it should. Their explanation is that they always flush the trannie when changing fluid, and they actually use fresh trannie fluid to do the flushing. I really question this, as it seems very wasteful. In addition, he told me the capacity on the thing was more than the manual says, explaning that it's because the manual quotes capacity for simply changing the fluid without completely emptying it (torque converter, etc.). Sound fishy? Or not? Brian 83 240D 2000 Honda CRV ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique
I agree with the last post. Sounds pretty reasonable to me. As for the E85, I think it would take way too much unless it's sold as a flex-fuel vehicle. As for the flushing, my main hesitation would be how old is it? I wouldn't bother with a flush before about 60-100K miles (depending on how safe you want to be). But yes, I've had several flushes done. It depends on how bad your fluid is and how much your system holds as to how much they use. I've seen quite a few gallons go through some of my dirtier vehicles that I let go for more than 100K miles between changes. The machines I've seen you can watch the fluid go through to see when you start getting clean fluid coming out. The only thing I've noticed lately to be careful of is that some of the quick-change places aren't changing filters anymore, and that's inexcusable to me... And yeah, the manual could definitely be listing only an amount for not changing out the torque converter, etc... (not say it IS, but definitely possible)... Levi (: On 5/10/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm taking the wife's Honda CRV into the dealer for an oil change (we got several free oil changes as part of the deal of purchasing vehicle). And I'm going to ask them what it would take to make the vehicle capable of running E-85. I'm going to run something past y'all that they told me last time. They changed the trannie fluid, and I noticed on the invoice that it took like 12 quarts or so (maybe more, I forget) - a lot more than I thought it should. Their explanation is that they always flush the trannie when changing fluid, and they actually use fresh trannie fluid to do the flushing. I really question this, as it seems very wasteful. In addition, he told me the capacity on the thing was more than the manual says, explaning that it's because the manual quotes capacity for simply changing the fluid without completely emptying it (torque converter, etc.). Sound fishy? Or not? Brian 83 240D 2000 Honda CRV ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique
Brian wrote: They changed the trannie fluid, and I noticed on the invoice that it took like 12 quarts or so (maybe more, I forget) - a lot more than I thought it should. Their explanation is that they always flush the trannie when changing fluid, and they actually use fresh trannie fluid to do the flushing. I really question this, as it seems very wasteful. In addition, he told me the capacity on the thing was more than the manual says, explaning that it's because the manual quotes capacity for simply changing the fluid without completely emptying it (torque converter, etc.). Brian, I used to be a Service Manager at an Oldsmobile and Honda dealership. What they are telling you is completely accurate. See, they have a machine that they hook into the cooler lines and then you start the car and the cars transmission cycles through the clean fluid including the torque converter. The old fluid goes through one line into the machine while the new fluid goes through the other line. It is really a great invention. We had two of these machines - one for the GM cars that held 16 quarts and a smaller machine for the Hondas I think the Honda machine held 12 quarts. The capacity of the Honda IS more than the manual says because if you drop the pan, you will only remove about half the fluid in the tranny. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 1992 Olds 98 122K still for sale $1500
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Levi wrote: As for the flushing, my main hesitation would be how old is it? I wouldn't bother with a flush before about 60-100K miles (depending on how safe you want to be). DON'T wait 60-100K miles on a Honda. That may be true on some cars, but not on a Honda. I saw way too many of these cars with transmission problems when the transmission service had not been done. I NEVER saw one Honda with transmission problems when the owner had serviced the transmission every 30-50K miles. It is not worth it. It's $100 every 30-50,000 miles. That is cheap insurance to avoid a $2000 tranny. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL
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That's probably true. I'm pretty sure I wait longer than I should. I just waited until around 110K on my Subaru when it would occasionally not go into gear until I let off the throttle under certain conditions. Then did the same thing at around 220K on it. Still working just like it should. Not to say that every tranny will. I WILL say that I tried switching to Redline Full synthetic ATF at that first tranny flush. It did NOT work there. The tranny slipped like mad, barely moved at all. Had to go reflush it with regular ATF... Did My wife's Subaru around 100K when the AWD was binding. The center diff(or rather an electrically controlled, tranny fluid powered multi-clutch pack) just didn't want to completely disengage around corners. I figured we had a big bill coming to rebuild the clutch pack. Sure enough, a tranny flush fixed it just fine (or at least it has been for the last 30-40K miles...) I was REALLY hoping, it was going to fix my thunking shifts in my 83' 300D, but no luck. I suppose I'm going to have to go vacuum hunting to try and fix that one... Levi (: On 5/10/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Levi wrote: As for the flushing, my main hesitation would be how old is it? I wouldn't bother with a flush before about 60-100K miles (depending on how safe you want to be). DON'T wait 60-100K miles on a Honda. That may be true on some cars, but not on a Honda. I saw way too many of these cars with transmission problems when the transmission service had not been done. I NEVER saw one Honda with transmission problems when the owner had serviced the transmission every 30-50K miles. It is not worth it. It's $100 every 30-50,000 miles. That is cheap insurance to avoid a $2000 tranny. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique
Brian, I'm also suspicious of the flushing. I've heard bad things about back-flushing or power flushing transmissions. They're probably correct on the difference from the manual quantity. If you didn't pay for it and no harm was done, I wouldn't worry about it. If you're paying for the fluid, I'd ask that they don't flush it next time, and I'd certainly not agree to any back flush or power flush. Very respectfully, /s/ Meade Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 287k miles '85 190D 2.2 5 spd 106k miles '85 300TD Euro 5spd 327k miles *sold* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique I'm taking the wife's Honda CRV into the dealer for an oil change (we got several free oil changes as part of the deal of purchasing vehicle). And I'm going to ask them what it would take to make the vehicle capable of running E-85. I'm going to run something past y'all that they told me last time. They changed the trannie fluid, and I noticed on the invoice that it took like 12 quarts or so (maybe more, I forget) - a lot more than I thought it should. Their explanation is that they always flush the trannie when changing fluid, and they actually use fresh trannie fluid to do the flushing. I really question this, as it seems very wasteful. In addition, he told me the capacity on the thing was more than the manual says, explaning that it's because the manual quotes capacity for simply changing the fluid without completely emptying it (torque converter, etc.). Sound fishy? Or not? Brian 83 240D 2000 Honda CRV ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique
I don't think they're power or back flushing anything. The ones I've seen and had done hook up in-line with the tranny cooler lines. I believe the tranny's really doing all the pumping. The machine just has a couple reservoirs for clean and dirty oil and you can see the nasty junk come out and the good stuff go in, and you proceed until the oil coming out looks nice and clean. Much better in my opinion that simply changing maybe 1/2 the fluid and leaving the rest old and nasty in the torque converter. (since most cars don't allow you to drain it like the Mercedes). Levi On 5/10/06, Dillon, Meade LCDR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, I'm also suspicious of the flushing. I've heard bad things about back-flushing or power flushing transmissions. They're probably correct on the difference from the manual quantity. If you didn't pay for it and no harm was done, I wouldn't worry about it. If you're paying for the fluid, I'd ask that they don't flush it next time, and I'd certainly not agree to any back flush or power flush. Very respectfully, /s/ Meade Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 287k miles '85 190D 2.2 5 spd 106k miles '85 300TD Euro 5spd 327k miles *sold* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique I'm taking the wife's Honda CRV into the dealer for an oil change (we got several free oil changes as part of the deal of purchasing vehicle). And I'm going to ask them what it would take to make the vehicle capable of running E-85. I'm going to run something past y'all that they told me last time. They changed the trannie fluid, and I noticed on the invoice that it took like 12 quarts or so (maybe more, I forget) - a lot more than I thought it should. Their explanation is that they always flush the trannie when changing fluid, and they actually use fresh trannie fluid to do the flushing. I really question this, as it seems very wasteful. In addition, he told me the capacity on the thing was more than the manual says, explaning that it's because the manual quotes capacity for simply changing the fluid without completely emptying it (torque converter, etc.). Sound fishy? Or not? Brian 83 240D 2000 Honda CRV ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique
I heard them talking about this on Car Talk the other day. Apparently the guys think its a great idea as it will completely swap out all the fluid in the trans. I've had it done a couple times on my Dodge Pickup truck inbetween filter changes. That truck has 187kmi on what I'm reasonably sure is the original transmission. I've had it for 135kmi anyway. -Curt Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:25:47 -0700 From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Zoltan Finks wrote: Their explanation is that they always flush the trannie when changing fluid, and they actually use fresh trannie fluid to do the flushing. I've heard of that practice. I don't know of the relative merits of it, but it seems to be pretty commonly done. Often its done through the cooler lines. In addition, he told me the capacity on the thing was more than the manual says, explaning that it's because the manual quotes capacity for simply changing the fluid without completely emptying it (torque converter, etc.). That might be true. Most cars lack drain plugs on the torque converter, so you can never completely drain them without disassembly. That's one of the stated reasons for doing a flush with fresh fluid. David Brodbeck '83 300D Turbo - New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed May 10 20:04:56 2006 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.239]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FduvX-0001fY-Hj for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:04:56 + Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i22so20463wra for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:04:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EjJl79RNSl67ys80ByzslV4C4tg+pstCD4y/4P2i7IHMgiwqFs0oVKb8hKDdw/lvPM/HC/np9ewD3ZpsmtQADZQdkfr6Frr5ZEKyRfblJnm5VRTowoWt+kiKEjBOx9Frodbkznxe5+gdXikwxjivm4ZKlLwrW+3JkD8TSaXrDUc= Received: by 10.54.138.3 with SMTP id l3mr1190423wrd; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.81.19 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:04:51 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] copy of window sticker! X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:04:56 - I don't have the sticker for the first and LAST new car I ever purchased - = a 1976 silver Chevette with red vinyl interior, bought in 12/75. I just abou= t caused the salesman to faint when I agreed to pay the sticker price without even trying to bargain him down. He was so grateful that he voluntarily threw in free undercoating; the final tab was $3,672.00. I learned later from my then-BIL that it is quite acceptable to negotiate the price of a new car. Double-tripledy DOH!! But I must have had good karma from the deal, because that car was so reliable and cheap to run that we were able to purchase a Mercedes in 1982. Mind you, that was a 1973 basic 280 that only cost $4,700.00. On 5/10/06, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, can't produce it as I gave the paperwork to the fellow who bought it from us. Have a reasonably good memory however, so I believe I am correct. Not worth arguing about. Just thought it was an interesting comparison. Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] copy of window sticker! I dont see how that is even possible. I have the window sticker from my '90 6.2 burb and its only 20k. R A Bennell wrote: Ah well, bear in mind
Re: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique
Great info. Thanks all! Brian On 5/10/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard them talking about this on Car Talk the other day. Apparently the guys think its a great idea as it will completely swap out all the fluid in the trans. I've had it done a couple times on my Dodge Pickup truck inbetween filter changes. That truck has 187kmi on what I'm reasonably sure is the original transmission. I've had it for 135kmi anyway. -Curt Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:25:47 -0700 From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Trannie Flush Technique To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Zoltan Finks wrote: Their explanation is that they always flush the trannie when changing fluid, and they actually use fresh trannie fluid to do the flushing. I've heard of that practice. I don't know of the relative merits of it, but it seems to be pretty commonly done. Often its done through the cooler lines. In addition, he told me the capacity on the thing was more than the manual says, explaning that it's because the manual quotes capacity for simply changing the fluid without completely emptying it (torque converter, etc.). That might be true. Most cars lack drain plugs on the torque converter, so you can never completely drain them without disassembly. That's one of the stated reasons for doing a flush with fresh fluid. David Brodbeck '83 300D Turbo - New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
