Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Peter Frederick]

Many large corporations with proprietary software will not upgrade  
since their software (for things like maintenance scheduling, parts  
ordering, and personnel management) will NOT run on Vista or Win 7.   
It took the company I consult for until three years ago to upgrade  
from Win 2000, I don't anticipate a migration to Win 7 any time soon.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Tim C]

Wow, Redmond magazine?  For a pre-release 'no-one will want to downgrade'
seems a bit premature...

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Loren Faeth wrote:

> Personally, the more I use OSX, the more i like it.  No 64 bit migration
> problems.  It has always been 64 bit.


I thought OSX ran 32b except for apps running in cocoa or whatever it's
called?  Isn't one of the big features of snow leopard a 64b kernel?

Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[LarryT]

The Toshiba Laptop I bought in late march has Vista Ultimate.  I have been 
trying to install my copy of XP Home wince early April when I decided the 
"improvements' MS made when creating Vista made it impossible for me to live 
with Vista.  Since then I have been progresively moved up the Help Chain 
getting more and more experienced (and less and less knowledgable) 
"experts".  None seem to know how to install XP onto a SATA Hard drive - 
even the *new* 500GB HD I bought specifically for this purpose.


Absolutely no luck in getting XP running on a SATA HD - so don;t believe the 
salespeople who tell you XP can be installed easily. Even using nLight to 
integrate the drivers into the XP install discs have not worked.  Will try 
it again just to be sure.  I'm pretty computer literate but when they start 
offering instructions it's like they are speaking another language - one 
*they* don't understand either


I installed Vista in my new HD hoping it would be easier to work with if it 
were installed with *my* specific wants considered from the get-go.  No such 
luck -


I finally found out how to install XP as a second OS - but it's not very 
easy to work with


Not much fun so I've gone back to my Acer with XP Home

Good luck -
LarryT  91 300D

"How come the proposed
'univ health care'
excludes congress?"
- Original Message - 
From: "Loren Faeth" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:16 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW


According to Redmond Magazine today, M$ will allow buyers of "higher end" 
versions of Win 7 to downgrade to XP at no extra charge.


By Doug Barney
Editor in Chief, Redmond magazine

Windows 7: You Can 
Go Back
When Vista came out, many new users clamored for the right to move back to 
XP. Unfortunately, going back wasn't always easy and wasn't usually free. 
With that lesson in mind, Microsoft 
just announced 
that new Windows 7 customers will have a year-and-a-half to move back down 
to XP or even Vista (however, the plan only applies to high-end versions 
of Windows 7).


While this is a nice gesture, I think downgraders will be few and far 
between -- maybe just those who depend on that random app that Windows 7 
chokes on. What would make you want or need to go back to XP? And would 
there ever be a reason to move from Windows 7 to Vista? Answers readily 
read at dbar...@redmondmag.com.


http://redmondmag.com/blogs/doug-barney/2009/06/windows-7-you-can-go-back.aspx

Personally, the more I use OSX, the more i like it.  No 64 bit migration 
problems.  It has always been 64 bit.



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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Barry Stark]

Larry -
That seems strange to me as my 3 year old Dell desktop has a 320Gb SATA hard
drive and I just recently purchased an OEM copy of XP pro and installed it
without incident. Could it have something to do with the laptop BIOS somehow
not being compatible with XP or driver problems?

Barry

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:24 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

The Toshiba Laptop I bought in late march has Vista Ultimate.  I have been 
trying to install my copy of XP Home wince early April when I decided the 
"improvements' MS made when creating Vista made it impossible for me to live

with Vista.  Since then I have been progresively moved up the Help Chain 
getting more and more experienced (and less and less knowledgable) 
"experts".  None seem to know how to install XP onto a SATA Hard drive - 
even the *new* 500GB HD I bought specifically for this purpose.

Absolutely no luck in getting XP running on a SATA HD - so don;t believe the

salespeople who tell you XP can be installed easily. Even using nLight to 
integrate the drivers into the XP install discs have not worked.  Will try 
it again just to be sure.  I'm pretty computer literate but when they start 
offering instructions it's like they are speaking another language - one 
*they* don't understand either

I installed Vista in my new HD hoping it would be easier to work with if it 
were installed with *my* specific wants considered from the get-go.  No such

luck -

I finally found out how to install XP as a second OS - but it's not very 
easy to work with

Not much fun so I've gone back to my Acer with XP Home

Good luck -
LarryT  91 300D

"How come the proposed
 'univ health care'
excludes congress?"
- Original Message - 
From: "Loren Faeth" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:16 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW


> According to Redmond Magazine today, M$ will allow buyers of "higher end" 
> versions of Win 7 to downgrade to XP at no extra charge.
>
> By Doug Barney
> Editor in Chief, Redmond magazine
>
> <http://www.1105newsletters.com/t.do?id=2828309:1060387>Windows 7: You Can

> Go Back
> When Vista came out, many new users clamored for the right to move back to

> XP. Unfortunately, going back wasn't always easy and wasn't usually free. 
> With that lesson in mind, Microsoft 
> <http://www.1105newsletters.com/t.do?id=2828310:1060387>just announced 
> that new Windows 7 customers will have a year-and-a-half to move back down

> to XP or even Vista (however, the plan only applies to high-end versions 
> of Windows 7).
>
> While this is a nice gesture, I think downgraders will be few and far 
> between -- maybe just those who depend on that random app that Windows 7 
> chokes on. What would make you want or need to go back to XP? And would 
> there ever be a reason to move from Windows 7 to Vista? Answers readily 
> read at dbar...@redmondmag.com.
>
>
http://redmondmag.com/blogs/doug-barney/2009/06/windows-7-you-can-go-back.as
px
>
> Personally, the more I use OSX, the more i like it.  No 64 bit migration 
> problems.  It has always been 64 bit.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[LWB250]

Now that I think about this it sounds bogus.  We were using HP desktops 
downgraded to XP a year ago that had SATA drives in them.

Have you low level formatted the drive and started from scratch?

Dan

--- On Sat, 6/20/09, Barry Stark  wrote:

> From: Barry Stark 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7  FWIW
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 3:58 PM
> Larry -
> That seems strange to me as my 3 year old Dell desktop has
> a 320Gb SATA hard
> drive and I just recently purchased an OEM copy of XP pro
> and installed it
> without incident. Could it have something to do with the
> laptop BIOS somehow
> not being compatible with XP or driver problems?
> 
> Barry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of LarryT
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:24 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW
> 
> The Toshiba Laptop I bought in late march has Vista
> Ultimate.  I have been 
> trying to install my copy of XP Home wince early April when
> I decided the 
> "improvements' MS made when creating Vista made it
> impossible for me to live
> 
> with Vista.  Since then I have been progresively moved
> up the Help Chain 
> getting more and more experienced (and less and less
> knowledgable) 
> "experts".  None seem to know how to install XP onto a
> SATA Hard drive - 
> even the *new* 500GB HD I bought specifically for this
> purpose.
> 
> Absolutely no luck in getting XP running on a SATA HD - so
> don;t believe the
> 
> salespeople who tell you XP can be installed easily. Even
> using nLight to 
> integrate the drivers into the XP install discs have not
> worked.  Will try 
> it again just to be sure.  I'm pretty computer
> literate but when they start 
> offering instructions it's like they are speaking another
> language - one 
> *they* don't understand either
> 
> I installed Vista in my new HD hoping it would be easier to
> work with if it 
> were installed with *my* specific wants considered from the
> get-go.  No such
> 
> luck -
> 
> I finally found out how to install XP as a second OS - but
> it's not very 
> easy to work with
> 
> Not much fun so I've gone back to my Acer with XP Home
> 
> Good luck -
> LarryT  91 300D
> 
> "How come the proposed
>  'univ health care'
> excludes congress?"
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Loren Faeth" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:16 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW
> 
> 
> > According to Redmond Magazine today, M$ will allow
> buyers of "higher end" 
> > versions of Win 7 to downgrade to XP at no extra
> charge.
> >
> > By Doug Barney
> > Editor in Chief, Redmond magazine
> >
> > <http://www.1105newsletters.com/t.do?id=2828309:1060387>Windows
> 7: You Can
> 
> > Go Back
> > When Vista came out, many new users clamored for the
> right to move back to
> 
> > XP. Unfortunately, going back wasn't always easy and
> wasn't usually free. 
> > With that lesson in mind, Microsoft 
> > <http://www.1105newsletters.com/t.do?id=2828310:1060387>just
> announced 
> > that new Windows 7 customers will have a
> year-and-a-half to move back down
> 
> > to XP or even Vista (however, the plan only applies to
> high-end versions 
> > of Windows 7).
> >
> > While this is a nice gesture, I think downgraders will
> be few and far 
> > between -- maybe just those who depend on that random
> app that Windows 7 
> > chokes on. What would make you want or need to go back
> to XP? And would 
> > there ever be a reason to move from Windows 7 to
> Vista? Answers readily 
> > read at dbar...@redmondmag.com.
> >
> >
> http://redmondmag.com/blogs/doug-barney/2009/06/windows-7-you-can-go-back.as
> px
> >
> > Personally, the more I use OSX, the more i like
> it.  No 64 bit migration 
> > problems.  It has always been 64 bit.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[LWB250]

Get a Mac and run whatever Windows operating system you want XP, Vista, 
etc., using BootCamp or a virtual machine like Parallels or Virtual Box (free!)

I just set up XP under BootCamp on the youngest's 17" C2D iMac, as his XBox is 
in the shop and he had some Windows games he wanted to play.

MacDan


--- On Sat, 6/20/09, LarryT  wrote:

> From: LarryT 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7  FWIW
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 3:24 PM
> The Toshiba Laptop I bought in late
> march has Vista Ultimate.  I have been trying to
> install my copy of XP Home wince early April when I decided
> the "improvements' MS made when creating Vista made it
> impossible for me to live with Vista.  Since then I
> have been progresively moved up the Help Chain getting more
> and more experienced (and less and less knowledgable)
> "experts".  None seem to know how to install XP onto a
> SATA Hard drive - even the *new* 500GB HD I bought
> specifically for this purpose.
> 
> Absolutely no luck in getting XP running on a SATA HD - so
> don;t believe the salespeople who tell you XP can be
> installed easily. Even using nLight to integrate the drivers
> into the XP install discs have not worked.  Will try it
> again just to be sure.  I'm pretty computer literate
> but when they start offering instructions it's like they are
> speaking another language - one *they* don't understand
> either
> 
> I installed Vista in my new HD hoping it would be easier to
> work with if it were installed with *my* specific wants
> considered from the get-go.  No such luck -
> 
> I finally found out how to install XP as a second OS - but
> it's not very easy to work with
> 
> Not much fun so I've gone back to my Acer with XP Home
> 
> Good luck -
> LarryT  91 300D
> 
> "How come the proposed
> 'univ health care'
> excludes congress?"
> - Original Message - From: "Loren Faeth" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:16 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW
> 
> 
> > According to Redmond Magazine today, M$ will allow
> buyers of "higher end" versions of Win 7 to downgrade to XP
> at no extra charge.
> > 
> > By Doug Barney
> > Editor in Chief, Redmond magazine
> > 
> > <http://www.1105newsletters.com/t.do?id=2828309:1060387>Windows
> 7: You Can Go Back
> > When Vista came out, many new users clamored for the
> right to move back to XP. Unfortunately, going back wasn't
> always easy and wasn't usually free. With that lesson in
> mind, Microsoft <http://www.1105newsletters.com/t.do?id=2828310:1060387>just
> announced that new Windows 7 customers will have a
> year-and-a-half to move back down to XP or even Vista
> (however, the plan only applies to high-end versions of
> Windows 7).
> > 
> > While this is a nice gesture, I think downgraders will
> be few and far between -- maybe just those who depend on
> that random app that Windows 7 chokes on. What would make
> you want or need to go back to XP? And would there ever be a
> reason to move from Windows 7 to Vista? Answers readily read
> at dbar...@redmondmag.com.
> > 
> > http://redmondmag.com/blogs/doug-barney/2009/06/windows-7-you-can-go-back.aspx
> > 
> > Personally, the more I use OSX, the more i like
> it.  No 64 bit migration problems.  It has always
> been 64 bit.
> > 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[dave walton]

If they are using a non-standard drive controller, you are screwed
until they come out with drivers for XP.

What model laptop?

-Dave Walton

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:24 PM, LarryT wrote:
> The Toshiba Laptop I bought in late march has Vista Ultimate.  I have been
> trying to install my copy of XP Home wince early April when I decided the
> "improvements' MS made when creating Vista made it impossible for me to live
> with Vista.  Since then I have been progresively moved up the Help Chain
> getting more and more experienced (and less and less knowledgable)
> "experts".  None seem to know how to install XP onto a SATA Hard drive -
> even the *new* 500GB HD I bought specifically for this purpose.
>
> Absolutely no luck in getting XP running on a SATA HD - so don;t believe the
> salespeople who tell you XP can be installed easily. Even using nLight to
> integrate the drivers into the XP install discs have not worked.  Will try
> it again just to be sure.  I'm pretty computer literate but when they start
> offering instructions it's like they are speaking another language - one
> *they* don't understand either
>
> I installed Vista in my new HD hoping it would be easier to work with if it
> were installed with *my* specific wants considered from the get-go.  No such
> luck -
>
> I finally found out how to install XP as a second OS - but it's not very
> easy to work with
>
> Not much fun so I've gone back to my Acer with XP Home
>
> Good luck -
> LarryT  91 300D
>
> "How come the proposed
> 'univ health care'
> excludes congress?"
> - Original Message - From: "Loren Faeth" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:16 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW
>
>
>> According to Redmond Magazine today, M$ will allow buyers of "higher end"
>> versions of Win 7 to downgrade to XP at no extra charge.
>>
>> By Doug Barney
>> Editor in Chief, Redmond magazine
>>
>> Windows 7: You Can
>> Go Back
>> When Vista came out, many new users clamored for the right to move back to
>> XP. Unfortunately, going back wasn't always easy and wasn't usually free.
>> With that lesson in mind, Microsoft
>> just announced that
>> new Windows 7 customers will have a year-and-a-half to move back down to XP
>> or even Vista (however, the plan only applies to high-end versions of
>> Windows 7).
>>
>> While this is a nice gesture, I think downgraders will be few and far
>> between -- maybe just those who depend on that random app that Windows 7
>> chokes on. What would make you want or need to go back to XP? And would
>> there ever be a reason to move from Windows 7 to Vista? Answers readily read
>> at dbar...@redmondmag.com.
>>
>>
>> http://redmondmag.com/blogs/doug-barney/2009/06/windows-7-you-can-go-back.aspx
>>
>> Personally, the more I use OSX, the more i like it.  No 64 bit migration
>> problems.  It has always been 64 bit.
>>
>>
>> Loren Faeth -- next part --
>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[E M]

I'm pretty much a computer idiot.  This is my second pc, a HP running
Vista.  All before were Macs.  It's been a real pain trying to pull stuff
off the old PC, granded, it is OLD.  I'm thinking, next comp, to go back to
something like an iMac 24", maybe run something like Ubunto or XT for a
second very occasional OS, and keep the drive pretty much empty and free.
I'll keep most of my stuff on external drives, and just by more of them as
needed as they're so cheap, and makes going between comps easy in the
future.

Ed
300E, computer dope, and not ashamed to admit it.

2009/6/20 LWB250 

>
> Get a Mac and run whatever Windows operating system you want XP, Vista,
> etc., using BootCamp or a virtual machine like Parallels or Virtual Box
> (free!)
>
> I just set up XP under BootCamp on the youngest's 17" C2D iMac, as his XBox
> is in the shop and he had some Windows games he wanted to play.
>
> MacDan
>
>
> --- On Sat, 6/20/09, LarryT  wrote:
>
> > From: LarryT 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7  FWIW
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 3:24 PM
> > The Toshiba Laptop I bought in late
> > march has Vista Ultimate.  I have been trying to
> > install my copy of XP Home wince early April when I decided
> > the "improvements' MS made when creating Vista made it
> > impossible for me to live with Vista.  Since then I
> > have been progresively moved up the Help Chain getting more
> > and more experienced (and less and less knowledgable)
> > "experts".  None seem to know how to install XP onto a
> > SATA Hard drive - even the *new* 500GB HD I bought
> > specifically for this purpose.
> >
> > Absolutely no luck in getting XP running on a SATA HD - so
> > don;t believe the salespeople who tell you XP can be
> > installed easily. Even using nLight to integrate the drivers
> > into the XP install discs have not worked.  Will try it
> > again just to be sure.  I'm pretty computer literate
> > but when they start offering instructions it's like they are
> > speaking another language - one *they* don't understand
> > either
> >
> > I installed Vista in my new HD hoping it would be easier to
> > work with if it were installed with *my* specific wants
> > considered from the get-go.  No such luck -
> >
> > I finally found out how to install XP as a second OS - but
> > it's not very easy to work with
> >
> > Not much fun so I've gone back to my Acer with XP Home
> >
> > Good luck -
> > LarryT  91 300D
> >
> > "How come the proposed
> > 'univ health care'
> > excludes congress?"
> > - Original Message - From: "Loren Faeth" <
> lfa...@leadingchange.com>
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:16 PM
> > Subject: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW
> >
> >
> > > According to Redmond Magazine today, M$ will allow
> > buyers of "higher end" versions of Win 7 to downgrade to XP
> > at no extra charge.
> > >
> > > By Doug Barney
> > > Editor in Chief, Redmond magazine
> > >
> > > <http://www.1105newsletters.com/t.do?id=2828309:1060387>Windows
> > 7: You Can Go Back
> > > When Vista came out, many new users clamored for the
> > right to move back to XP. Unfortunately, going back wasn't
> > always easy and wasn't usually free. With that lesson in
> > mind, Microsoft <http://www.1105newsletters.com/t.do?id=2828310:1060387
> >just
> > announced that new Windows 7 customers will have a
> > year-and-a-half to move back down to XP or even Vista
> > (however, the plan only applies to high-end versions of
> > Windows 7).
> > >
> > > While this is a nice gesture, I think downgraders will
> > be few and far between -- maybe just those who depend on
> > that random app that Windows 7 chokes on. What would make
> > you want or need to go back to XP? And would there ever be a
> > reason to move from Windows 7 to Vista? Answers readily read
> > at dbar...@redmondmag.com.
> > >
> > >
> http://redmondmag.com/blogs/doug-barney/2009/06/windows-7-you-can-go-back.aspx
> > >
> > > Personally, the more I use OSX, the more i like
> > it.  No 64 bit migration problems.  It has always
> > been 64 bit.
> > >
> > >
> > > Loren Faeth -- next part --
> > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[LarryT]

OK, here's what happened -

I have tried everything.  Formated a new HD (after trying the old HD), but 
Win did not recognize *either* drive present.   I used the both drives in an 
ext enclosure without problem.  Did a full format and tried again - same 
problem.  checked the BIOS instructions and there is *no* switch for OS - no 
mention of anything OS related.  I did a LOT of research while 
looking...hoping it would be that easy.


Toshiba is no help at all.  I went to Intel to find the proper HD Driver and 
then used nLite to integrate the driver into my XP install discs.  Still did 
not recognize the HD - same problem, no change..  Maybe Intel gave me the 
wrong driver?  Anything is possible.


I am slowly getting used to using Vista - it is slow and cumbersome - "used 
to" is not the same as "liking it".


I'm beginning to think I have what Dave Walton referred to << non-standard 
drive controller, you are screwed
until they come out with drivers for XP.>>  Why would they develop drivers 
for XP?  MS doesn't even support it anymore.


It's a Toshiba Qosmio F45 Laptop.  It's not a bad machine - 500GB HD and 2 
GB RAM but Vista is like an anchor around its neck.


Part of the problem is MS wrote the backdate to XP specifically hard to do. 
When drivers are needed you must press F6 (no problem so far) but then you 
must install the HD Drivers from a *floppy* drive.  How many people have 
floppy drives?  A USB will not work nor will a CD.  Only a floppy.


Tell me MS didn't do that on purpose?  They are so friggin arragant that 
they decide what OS I must use - no matter what I want.  Then they put 
roadblocks up to prevent using what I'm happy with, and educated on.


Just found out  yesterday Vista Ultimate is not compatible with my full 
versions of Roxio or Nero!  2 more programs (that were not cheap) I would 
have to buy *new* versions of if I wanted to be where I was before buying 
this POS.


As I work to get my Acer (with XP) back up to speed after being repaired, I 
plan to save all of my stuff, wipe the disc and install Vista to it's "out 
of box" state - then sell it on eBay.  Maybe this won't be a total loss. 
Luckily I can use my SATA ext. enclosure to cut/copy/paste anything needed 
to my Acer.  The biggest problem is the SATA 50GB HD will not fit in my 
Acer - it has ATA conns. I can use it as an ext storage device but that's it 
for now.


Next time I need a laptop I will look at Macs as suggested - as long as they 
run Win PC software or have an equivilent.  I refuse to buy new SW just 
because a sw designer adds some bells and whisltles.  Especially after 
spending hours reading a manual that looks like a dictionary.  Don't need to 
go thru that pain again.


Not even going to consider Win7 next year - too irritated with the way I was 
treated - no matter how good it is supposed to be.


Thx for letting me vent .

LarryT


"How come the proposed
'univ health care'
excludes congress?"
- Original Message ----- 
From: "LWB250" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW



Now that I think about this it sounds bogus.  We were using HP desktops 
downgraded to XP a year ago that had SATA drives in them.


Have you low level formatted the drive and started from scratch?

Dan

--- On Sat, 6/20/09, Barry Stark  wrote:


From: Barry Stark 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7  FWIW
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 3:58 PM
Larry -
That seems strange to me as my 3 year old Dell desktop has
a 320Gb SATA hard
drive and I just recently purchased an OEM copy of XP pro
and installed it
without incident. Could it have something to do with the
laptop BIOS somehow
not being compatible with XP or driver problems?

Barry

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:24 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

The Toshiba Laptop I bought in late march has Vista
Ultimate. I have been
trying to install my copy of XP Home wince early April when
I decided the
"improvements' MS made when creating Vista made it
impossible for me to live

with Vista. Since then I have been progresively moved
up the Help Chain
getting more and more experienced (and less and less
knowledgable)
"experts". None seem to know how to install XP onto a
SATA Hard drive -
even the *new* 500GB HD I bought specifically for this
purpose.

Absolutely no luck in getting XP running on a SATA HD - so
don;t believe the

salespeople who tell you XP can be installed easily. Even
using nLight to
integrate the drivers into the XP install discs have not
worked. Will try
it again just to be sure. I'm pretty computer
literate but when they start
of

Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[E M]

I haven't tried this yet Larry, but being a computer guy, maybe it's
something you use, or are familiar with.  I'm not really into spending big
bucks on software either, only to have it redundant in a few months, or
requiring more expensive updates.

As I've said, I always used Macs in the past, had a couple PCs now, but
after using Firefox for several years, and on different platforms, I like
the free open source stuff.  Maybe I'm just getting cheap in my old age, but
gotta save where I can for porsche parts. lol.  Have a look at this and let
us know what you think??

http://www.openoffice.org/product/

I'm fiddling with old HDs in an external box later tonight.  All small steps
towards my master plan of getting everything onto external drives, then
switching over to new computers in the future hopefully wont' be the pain it
has been with these last couple!!

Ed
300E

2009/6/20 LarryT 

> OK, here's what happened -
>
> I have tried everything.  Formated a new HD (after trying the old HD), but
> Win did not recognize *either* drive present.   I used the both drives in an
> ext enclosure without problem.  Did a full format and tried again - same
> problem.  checked the BIOS instructions and there is *no* switch for OS - no
> mention of anything OS related.  I did a LOT of research while
> looking...hoping it would be that easy.
>
> Toshiba is no help at all.  I went to Intel to find the proper HD Driver
> and then used nLite to integrate the driver into my XP install discs.  Still
> did not recognize the HD - same problem, no change..  Maybe Intel gave me
> the wrong driver?  Anything is possible.
>
> I am slowly getting used to using Vista - it is slow and cumbersome - "used
> to" is not the same as "liking it".
>
> I'm beginning to think I have what Dave Walton referred to << non-standard
> drive controller, you are screwed
> until they come out with drivers for XP.>>  Why would they develop drivers
> for XP?  MS doesn't even support it anymore.
>
> It's a Toshiba Qosmio F45 Laptop.  It's not a bad machine - 500GB HD and 2
> GB RAM but Vista is like an anchor around its neck.
>
> Part of the problem is MS wrote the backdate to XP specifically hard to do.
> When drivers are needed you must press F6 (no problem so far) but then you
> must install the HD Drivers from a *floppy* drive.  How many people have
> floppy drives?  A USB will not work nor will a CD.  Only a floppy.
>
> Tell me MS didn't do that on purpose?  They are so friggin arragant that
> they decide what OS I must use - no matter what I want.  Then they put
> roadblocks up to prevent using what I'm happy with, and educated on.
>
> Just found out  yesterday Vista Ultimate is not compatible with my full
> versions of Roxio or Nero!  2 more programs (that were not cheap) I would
> have to buy *new* versions of if I wanted to be where I was before buying
> this POS.
>
> As I work to get my Acer (with XP) back up to speed after being repaired, I
> plan to save all of my stuff, wipe the disc and install Vista to it's "out
> of box" state - then sell it on eBay.  Maybe this won't be a total loss.
> Luckily I can use my SATA ext. enclosure to cut/copy/paste anything needed
> to my Acer.  The biggest problem is the SATA 50GB HD will not fit in my Acer
> - it has ATA conns. I can use it as an ext storage device but that's it for
> now.
>
> Next time I need a laptop I will look at Macs as suggested - as long as
> they run Win PC software or have an equivilent.  I refuse to buy new SW just
> because a sw designer adds some bells and whisltles.  Especially after
> spending hours reading a manual that looks like a dictionary.  Don't need to
> go thru that pain again.
>
> Not even going to consider Win7 next year - too irritated with the way I
> was treated - no matter how good it is supposed to be.
>
> Thx for letting me vent .
>
> LarryT
>
>
> "How come the proposed
> 'univ health care'
> excludes congress?"
> - Original Message - From: "LWB250" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW
>
>
>
> Now that I think about this it sounds bogus.  We were using HP desktops
> downgraded to XP a year ago that had SATA drives in them.
>
> Have you low level formatted the drive and started from scratch?
>
> Dan
>
> --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Barry Stark  wrote:
>
>  From: Barry Stark 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7  FWIW
>> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
>> Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 3:58 PM
>> Larry -
>> That seems strange to me as

Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[dave walton]

Microsoft has extended support for XP to sometime in 2014 last I checked.
A USB floppy will work so that you can load drivers via F6 when
booting the XP install CD - unless their USB controller is
non-standard as well.
DeepBurner.com has free burning software that will replace some of the
functionality of Nero.
I suspect Vista will be orphaned like Win98-ME was. Unfortunately
Microsoft has said there will be no upgrade path from XP to Win7. Go
figure.

-Dave Walton


On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 6:05 PM, LarryT wrote:
> OK, here's what happened -
>
> I have tried everything.  Formated a new HD (after trying the old HD), but
> Win did not recognize *either* drive present.   I used the both drives in an
> ext enclosure without problem.  Did a full format and tried again - same
> problem.  checked the BIOS instructions and there is *no* switch for OS - no
> mention of anything OS related.  I did a LOT of research while
> looking...hoping it would be that easy.
>
> Toshiba is no help at all.  I went to Intel to find the proper HD Driver and
> then used nLite to integrate the driver into my XP install discs.  Still did
> not recognize the HD - same problem, no change..  Maybe Intel gave me the
> wrong driver?  Anything is possible.
>
> I am slowly getting used to using Vista - it is slow and cumbersome - "used
> to" is not the same as "liking it".
>
> I'm beginning to think I have what Dave Walton referred to << non-standard
> drive controller, you are screwed
> until they come out with drivers for XP.>>  Why would they develop drivers
> for XP?  MS doesn't even support it anymore.
>
> It's a Toshiba Qosmio F45 Laptop.  It's not a bad machine - 500GB HD and 2
> GB RAM but Vista is like an anchor around its neck.
>
> Part of the problem is MS wrote the backdate to XP specifically hard to do.
> When drivers are needed you must press F6 (no problem so far) but then you
> must install the HD Drivers from a *floppy* drive.  How many people have
> floppy drives?  A USB will not work nor will a CD.  Only a floppy.
>
> Tell me MS didn't do that on purpose?  They are so friggin arragant that
> they decide what OS I must use - no matter what I want.  Then they put
> roadblocks up to prevent using what I'm happy with, and educated on.
>
> Just found out  yesterday Vista Ultimate is not compatible with my full
> versions of Roxio or Nero!  2 more programs (that were not cheap) I would
> have to buy *new* versions of if I wanted to be where I was before buying
> this POS.
>
> As I work to get my Acer (with XP) back up to speed after being repaired, I
> plan to save all of my stuff, wipe the disc and install Vista to it's "out
> of box" state - then sell it on eBay.  Maybe this won't be a total loss.
> Luckily I can use my SATA ext. enclosure to cut/copy/paste anything needed
> to my Acer.  The biggest problem is the SATA 50GB HD will not fit in my Acer
> - it has ATA conns. I can use it as an ext storage device but that's it for
> now.
>
> Next time I need a laptop I will look at Macs as suggested - as long as they
> run Win PC software or have an equivilent.  I refuse to buy new SW just
> because a sw designer adds some bells and whisltles.  Especially after
> spending hours reading a manual that looks like a dictionary.  Don't need to
> go thru that pain again.
>
> Not even going to consider Win7 next year - too irritated with the way I was
> treated - no matter how good it is supposed to be.
>
> Thx for letting me vent .
>
> LarryT
>
>
> "How come the proposed
> 'univ health care'
> excludes congress?"
> - Original Message - From: "LWB250" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW
>
>
>
> Now that I think about this it sounds bogus.  We were using HP desktops
> downgraded to XP a year ago that had SATA drives in them.
>
> Have you low level formatted the drive and started from scratch?
>
> Dan
>
> --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Barry Stark  wrote:
>
>> From: Barry Stark 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7  FWIW
>> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
>> Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 3:58 PM
>> Larry -
>> That seems strange to me as my 3 year old Dell desktop has
>> a 320Gb SATA hard
>> drive and I just recently purchased an OEM copy of XP pro
>> and installed it
>> without incident. Could it have something to do with the
>> laptop BIOS somehow
>> not being compatible with XP or driver problems?
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mercedes-boun...@okie

Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[LarryT]

Those programs are widely available free on the net - search "OpenSource" & 
you will likely be amazed at how many programs are available.  From a 
lookalike MS Office Suite to Access, Design Programs (like AutoCadd) and 
others.


OpenSource is proving very popular  -- it's updated from time to time and 
will always be free.  I'm becoming more & more of a fan as my MS Office97 
Pro Suite becomes less functional due to other hardware/software issues. 
But one of the IT people at work gave me a copy and I figured I'd get all I 
could from it before I had to learn something new.


But I learned on Office 97  and am happy working with it for the time being.

Good idea - glad you found it -

LarryT

"How come the proposed
'univ health care'
excludes congress?"

- Original Message - 
From: "E M" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW



I haven't tried this yet Larry, but being a computer guy, maybe it's
something you use, or are familiar with.  I'm not really into spending big
bucks on software either, only to have it redundant in a few months, or
requiring more expensive updates.

As I've said, I always used Macs in the past, had a couple PCs now, but
after using Firefox for several years, and on different platforms, I like
the free open source stuff.  Maybe I'm just getting cheap in my old age, 
but
gotta save where I can for porsche parts. lol.  Have a look at this and 
let

us know what you think??

http://www.openoffice.org/product/

I'm fiddling with old HDs in an external box later tonight.  All small 
steps

towards my master plan of getting everything onto external drives, then
switching over to new computers in the future hopefully wont' be the pain 
it

has been with these last couple!!

Ed
300E

2009/6/20 LarryT 


OK, here's what happened -

I have tried everything.  Formated a new HD (after trying the old HD), 
but
Win did not recognize *either* drive present.   I used the both drives in 
an

ext enclosure without problem.  Did a full format and tried again - same
problem.  checked the BIOS instructions and there is *no* switch for OS - 
no

mention of anything OS related.  I did a LOT of research while
looking...hoping it would be that easy.

Toshiba is no help at all.  I went to Intel to find the proper HD Driver
and then used nLite to integrate the driver into my XP install discs. 
Still

did not recognize the HD - same problem, no change..  Maybe Intel gave me
the wrong driver?  Anything is possible.

I am slowly getting used to using Vista - it is slow and cumbersome - 
"used

to" is not the same as "liking it".

I'm beginning to think I have what Dave Walton referred to << 
non-standard

drive controller, you are screwed
until they come out with drivers for XP.>>  Why would they develop 
drivers

for XP?  MS doesn't even support it anymore.

It's a Toshiba Qosmio F45 Laptop.  It's not a bad machine - 500GB HD and 
2

GB RAM but Vista is like an anchor around its neck.

Part of the problem is MS wrote the backdate to XP specifically hard to 
do.
When drivers are needed you must press F6 (no problem so far) but then 
you

must install the HD Drivers from a *floppy* drive.  How many people have
floppy drives?  A USB will not work nor will a CD.  Only a floppy.

Tell me MS didn't do that on purpose?  They are so friggin arragant that
they decide what OS I must use - no matter what I want.  Then they put
roadblocks up to prevent using what I'm happy with, and educated on.

Just found out  yesterday Vista Ultimate is not compatible with my full
versions of Roxio or Nero!  2 more programs (that were not cheap) I would
have to buy *new* versions of if I wanted to be where I was before buying
this POS.

As I work to get my Acer (with XP) back up to speed after being repaired, 
I
plan to save all of my stuff, wipe the disc and install Vista to it's 
"out

of box" state - then sell it on eBay.  Maybe this won't be a total loss.
Luckily I can use my SATA ext. enclosure to cut/copy/paste anything 
needed
to my Acer.  The biggest problem is the SATA 50GB HD will not fit in my 
Acer
- it has ATA conns. I can use it as an ext storage device but that's it 
for

now.

Next time I need a laptop I will look at Macs as suggested - as long as
they run Win PC software or have an equivilent.  I refuse to buy new SW 
just

because a sw designer adds some bells and whisltles.  Especially after
spending hours reading a manual that looks like a dictionary.  Don't need 
to

go thru that pain again.

Not even going to consider Win7 next year - too irritated with the way I
was treated - no matter how good it is supposed to be.

Thx for letting me vent .....

LarryT


"How come the proposed
'univ health care'
excludes congress?&quo

Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Russ Williams]

Larry,

Try installing the hard drive in your external enclosure. Then hook it up
to the lappy and boot up your XP CD see if it sees the hard drive.
If it does then do the install. External drive enclosures have their own 
SATA
controller. If you are LUCKY and this works then reinstall the hard 
drive into

lappy.
Now your second round of head bashing will come.
Did Toshiba write XP drivers for that system? If not you are going to 
have a lot

more FUN. Vista Drivers WILL NOT work on XP.

BTW there are USB Floppy Drives out there. The last one I bought was 30 
bucks.


I used the above method on a Gateway lappy that had the same problem you 
have

been running into. The Gateway did have the XP drivers so it was fairly easy
after the OS was installed.

Good Luck
Russ W. (I HATE VISTA too)

LarryT wrote:

OK, here's what happened -

I have tried everything.  Formated a new HD (after trying the old HD), 
but Win did not recognize *either* drive present.   I used the both 
drives in an ext enclosure without problem.  Did a full format and 
tried again - same problem.  checked the BIOS instructions and there 
is *no* switch for OS - no mention of anything OS related.  I did a 
LOT of research while looking...hoping it would be that easy.


Toshiba is no help at all.  I went to Intel to find the proper HD 
Driver and then used nLite to integrate the driver into my XP install 
discs.  Still did not recognize the HD - same problem, no change..  
Maybe Intel gave me the wrong driver?  Anything is possible.


I am slowly getting used to using Vista - it is slow and cumbersome - 
"used to" is not the same as "liking it".


I'm beginning to think I have what Dave Walton referred to << 
non-standard drive controller, you are screwed
until they come out with drivers for XP.>>  Why would they develop 
drivers for XP?  MS doesn't even support it anymore.


It's a Toshiba Qosmio F45 Laptop.  It's not a bad machine - 500GB HD 
and 2 GB RAM but Vista is like an anchor around its neck.


Part of the problem is MS wrote the backdate to XP specifically hard 
to do. When drivers are needed you must press F6 (no problem so far) 
but then you must install the HD Drivers from a *floppy* drive.  How 
many people have floppy drives?  A USB will not work nor will a CD.  
Only a floppy.


Tell me MS didn't do that on purpose?  They are so friggin arragant 
that they decide what OS I must use - no matter what I want.  Then 
they put roadblocks up to prevent using what I'm happy with, and 
educated on.


Just found out  yesterday Vista Ultimate is not compatible with my 
full versions of Roxio or Nero!  2 more programs (that were not cheap) 
I would have to buy *new* versions of if I wanted to be where I was 
before buying this POS.


As I work to get my Acer (with XP) back up to speed after being 
repaired, I plan to save all of my stuff, wipe the disc and install 
Vista to it's "out of box" state - then sell it on eBay.  Maybe this 
won't be a total loss. Luckily I can use my SATA ext. enclosure to 
cut/copy/paste anything needed to my Acer.  The biggest problem is the 
SATA 50GB HD will not fit in my Acer - it has ATA conns. I can use it 
as an ext storage device but that's it for now.


Next time I need a laptop I will look at Macs as suggested - as long 
as they run Win PC software or have an equivilent.  I refuse to buy 
new SW just because a sw designer adds some bells and whisltles.  
Especially after spending hours reading a manual that looks like a 
dictionary.  Don't need to go thru that pain again.


Not even going to consider Win7 next year - too irritated with the way 
I was treated - no matter how good it is supposed to be.


Thx for letting me vent .

LarryT


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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Allan Streib]

LWB250  writes:

> Have you low level formatted the drive and started from scratch?

I don't think there's really any such thing as a "low level" format
anymore on modern hard drives is there?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Peter Frederick]

Not really, but you can re-partition it and create a new file system.

Low level formatting has been a thing of the past for at least 20  
years now.  All modern drives have one surface used as a servo signal  
for the heads to locate the tracks -- that head cannot write to the  
disk.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Mitch Haley]

Any chance a slipstreamed SP3 CD would install to it?

The symptoms are different than what I've been getting with my 1TB drive.
I installed SP1 onto the drive (it formatted to 127GB), then upgraded XP to SP3, 
and used Linux to redo the partitions. I then tried to use my factory restore 
disk to install Vista on another partition, but instead of asking me which 
partition, it just threw out the partition table, reformatted, and installed. 
Say goodbye to the XP installation, and even the partition that XP was installed 
on.


I fixed the partitions again after the Vista install, but XP SP1 can't install 
because it doesn't recognize the disk as partitioned.
Today I slipstreamed a XP-SP3 CD. Hopefully I can install THAT on a blank 
partition of my 1TB drive tomorrow.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 23:13:00 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> 
> I then tried to use my factory restore  disk to install Vista on another
> partition, but instead of asking me which partition, it just threw out
> the partition table, reformatted, and installed.  Say goodbye to the XP
> installation, and even the partition that XP was installed  on.

Yeah, factory restore disks make it "just like it came from the factory,"
which isn't what you want.


> I fixed the partitions again after the Vista install, but XP SP1 can't
> install because it doesn't recognize the disk as partitioned.
> Today I slipstreamed a XP-SP3 CD. Hopefully I can install THAT on a
> blank partition of my 1TB drive tomorrow.

What does "slipstreaming" a CD mean?

FWIW, when I got a second disk for my work Dell laptop and wanted to have
the main disk as Linux and the second one (in a removable drive bay) as
WinXP, I had to shut the computer down, take the computer apart, remove
the first disk, install the second disk, boot the computer and install XP
on the second disk, shut the computer down, swap disks, put the second
disk in the removable drive bay, plug it in, and reboot the computer (to
Linux). M$ doesn't make it easy or play well with others.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Mitch Haley]

Craig McCluskey wrote:


What does "slipstreaming" a CD mean?


Rebuilding a prior version install CD with a later service pack update built in.
http://www.howtohaven.com/system/slipstream-xp-service-pack-3.shtml

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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Loren Faeth]

Problem is that the older OS must be installed first for a dual boot 
system using 2 M$ os's.  That means you need a "real" Wissta install cd.


One possible workaround is with wista installed, run a linux install 
cd and do the partitition stuff then install XP from within the linux 
install utility.  Red hat used to let you do that in the NT4/2000 
days.  Maybe some of the linux wizzkids can chime in and give current details.


Slipstreaming can be used to add any patch to an XP/2003/2008 
install, and presumably Wissta.  It is a good tool to know



At 10:13 PM 6/20/2009, you wrote:


Any chance a slipstreamed SP3 CD would install to it?

The symptoms are different than what I've been getting with my 1TB drive.
I installed SP1 onto the drive (it formatted to 127GB), then 
upgraded XP to SP3, and used Linux to redo the partitions. I then 
tried to use my factory restore disk to install Vista on another 
partition, but instead of asking me which partition, it just threw 
out the partition table, reformatted, and installed. Say goodbye to 
the XP installation, and even the partition that XP was installed on.


I fixed the partitions again after the Vista install, but XP SP1 
can't install because it doesn't recognize the disk as partitioned.
Today I slipstreamed a XP-SP3 CD. Hopefully I can install THAT on a 
blank partition of my 1TB drive tomorrow.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[LarryT]

Hi Russ,
   Thanks for the help!  I'll give it a try.  But I think the problem you 
mention about having the proper HD Driver is something I have yet to 
conquer.   Toshiba's website says they do *not* provide HD Drivers - they 
then direct people to the motherboard maker (Intel for me) to find a driver. 
I followed the instructions at Intel and downloaded the driver they say is 
the correct one.  XP didn't communicate with the HD though.  So, either the 
driver provided did not work for XP as advertised or they gave me the wrong 
driver.


   I'm trying to remember if I tried to install XP in the Ext Encl - I've 
tried so many things they all blend together after a while.  But it's no big 
deal to try again.  Either XP will see the HD in the encl and allow 
installation or it won't.  I find it odd that the ext encl has appropriate 
drivers for the HD but the lappy cannot use them!  I guess there's more 
involved.  Also, the ext encl (made by BlackX - which is very nice) has a 
pressing need for drivers - intel probably didn't forsee a need for XP 
drivers thinking all would love Vista! Ot they were told by MS to go in that 
direction.  LOL -   that would be typical of MS operations - ie to put as 
many roadblocks in place as possible..


   Maybe I'll spring for a USB floppy - I have tons of floppies and no way 
to read them except in my desktop - Hmm $30 eh?  Hard drives cost less than 
that! Haha!


   Oh well, at least you've given me something to consider - much more than 
the Microsoft Techies can do - they seem to see what I'd like to try and 
then say, "Yeah, try that."  The MS technical dept is not very impressive. I 
guess the Indian Universities didn't teach MS technical assistance. ;-\


Take care -
LarryT  91 300D

"How come the proposed
'universal health care'
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW



Larry,

Try installing the hard drive in your external enclosure. Then hook it up
to the lappy and boot up your XP CD see if it sees the hard drive.
If it does then do the install. External drive enclosures have their own 
SATA
controller. If you are LUCKY and this works then reinstall the hard drive 
into

lappy.
Now your second round of head bashing will come.
Did Toshiba write XP drivers for that system? If not you are going to have 
a lot

more FUN. Vista Drivers WILL NOT work on XP.

BTW there are USB Floppy Drives out there. The last one I bought was 30 
bucks.


I used the above method on a Gateway lappy that had the same problem you 
have
been running into. The Gateway did have the XP drivers so it was fairly 
easy

after the OS was installed.

Good Luck
Russ W. (I HATE VISTA too)

LarryT wrote:

OK, here's what happened -

I have tried everything.  Formated a new HD (after trying the old HD), 
but Win did not recognize *either* drive present.   I used the both 
drives in an ext enclosure without problem.  Did a full format and tried 
again - same problem.  checked the BIOS instructions and there is *no* 
switch for OS - no mention of anything OS related.  I did a LOT of 
research while looking...hoping it would be that easy.


Toshiba is no help at all.  I went to Intel to find the proper HD Driver 
and then used nLite to integrate the driver into my XP install discs. 
Still did not recognize the HD - same problem, no change..  Maybe Intel 
gave me the wrong driver?  Anything is possible.


I am slowly getting used to using Vista - it is slow and cumbersome - 
"used to" is not the same as "liking it".


I'm beginning to think I have what Dave Walton referred to << 
non-standard drive controller, you are screwed
until they come out with drivers for XP.>>  Why would they develop 
drivers for XP?  MS doesn't even support it anymore.


It's a Toshiba Qosmio F45 Laptop.  It's not a bad machine - 500GB HD and 
2 GB RAM but Vista is like an anchor around its neck.


Part of the problem is MS wrote the backdate to XP specifically hard to 
do. When drivers are needed you must press F6 (no problem so far) but 
then you must install the HD Drivers from a *floppy* drive.  How many 
people have floppy drives?  A USB will not work nor will a CD.  Only a 
floppy.


Tell me MS didn't do that on purpose?  They are so friggin arragant that 
they decide what OS I must use - no matter what I want.  Then they put 
roadblocks up to prevent using what I'm happy with, and educated on.


Just found out  yesterday Vista Ultimate is not compatible with my full 
versions of Roxio or Nero!  2 more programs (that were not cheap) I would 
have to buy *new* versions of if I wanted to be where I was before buying 
this POS.


As I work to get my Acer (with XP) back up to speed after being repaired, 

Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[LarryT]

Don't think so.  But a full format (which I did) on a 500GB drive takes a 
lng time! ;-)


LarryT

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Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW



LWB250  writes:


Have you low level formatted the drive and started from scratch?


I don't think there's really any such thing as a "low level" format
anymore on modern hard drives is there?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[LarryT]

Hi Mitch - so you are saying SP3 contains the drivers and SP1 does not? 
Hmmm...my XP Home is a base version - I always downloaded the SPs but of 
course they went with the bad drive.


So, I would use nLite to create new CDs of XP with SP3?  (I'm thinking as I 
type)  Do I need to include SP1&2 or can I skip them and go with SP3?  Yeah, 
this sounds workable -


Can I skip slipstreaming SP1&2?
Thx -
LarryT

"How come the proposed
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Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW




Any chance a slipstreamed SP3 CD would install to it?

The symptoms are different than what I've been getting with my 1TB drive.
I installed SP1 onto the drive (it formatted to 127GB), then upgraded XP 
to SP3, and used Linux to redo the partitions. I then tried to use my 
factory restore disk to install Vista on another partition, but instead of 
asking me which partition, it just threw out the partition table, 
reformatted, and installed. Say goodbye to the XP installation, and even 
the partition that XP was installed on.


I fixed the partitions again after the Vista install, but XP SP1 can't 
install because it doesn't recognize the disk as partitioned.
Today I slipstreamed a XP-SP3 CD. Hopefully I can install THAT on a blank 
partition of my 1TB drive tomorrow.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[LarryT]

craig asked <>>

By using software such as nLite (www.nlite.com) the installation disc (XP 
Home for me) is copied into a working folder, then the files desired (HD 
Drivers in my case) to be added are included in the same working folder and 
the new files are integrated with the installation files.  Then the contents 
of the folder are burned to a new CD.


Sounds too good to be true, huh?

LarryT


"How come the proposed
'universal health care'
excludes congress?"
- Original Message - 
From: "Craig McCluskey" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW



On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 23:13:00 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:



I then tried to use my factory restore  disk to install Vista on another
partition, but instead of asking me which partition, it just threw out
the partition table, reformatted, and installed.  Say goodbye to the XP
installation, and even the partition that XP was installed  on.


Yeah, factory restore disks make it "just like it came from the factory,"
which isn't what you want.



I fixed the partitions again after the Vista install, but XP SP1 can't
install because it doesn't recognize the disk as partitioned.
Today I slipstreamed a XP-SP3 CD. Hopefully I can install THAT on a
blank partition of my 1TB drive tomorrow.


What does "slipstreaming" a CD mean?

FWIW, when I got a second disk for my work Dell laptop and wanted to have
the main disk as Linux and the second one (in a removable drive bay) as
WinXP, I had to shut the computer down, take the computer apart, remove
the first disk, install the second disk, boot the computer and install XP
on the second disk, shut the computer down, swap disks, put the second
disk in the removable drive bay, plug it in, and reboot the computer (to
Linux). M$ doesn't make it easy or play well with others.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Mitch Haley]

Loren Faeth wrote:
Problem is that the older OS must be installed first for a dual boot 
system using 2 M$ os's.  That means you need a "real" Wissta install cd.


I hope to get around it thusly:

1. Partition 25GB, 25GB, 50GB and 850GB. (done)

2. Install wista on the 50GB. (done)

3. Make wista partition inactive.

4. Install XP-SP3 on a 25GB.

5. Make wista partition active again.

6. Install Mepis/Redhat/whatever on the other 25GB and hope its boot manager can 
sort things out.


7. If all the above works, put all data on the 850GB.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Mitch Haley]

LarryT wrote:
Hi Mitch - so you are saying SP3 contains the drivers and SP1 does not? 


I'm saying SP3 (and I believe SP2) can handle a hard drive > 130GB. I don't know 
if that's part of your problem or not.




Can I skip slipstreaming SP1&2?


As far as I know, if you download the full SP3, which was 200+MB, and slipstream 
it to an install disk, the result is a full install disk with all updates 
through SP3.



I don't know about nLite, I think that software automated the slipstream process 
or most of it. I just did it manually with the instructions here.

http://www.howtohaven.com/system/slipstream-xp-service-pack-3.shtml
After I send this, I'm going to disconnect my existing XP and Vista drives, and 
try to install the slipstreamed XP on my new 1TB disk.


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[LarryT]

Thx Mitch - you wrote << SP3 (and I believe SP2) can handle a hard drive >>
I don't believe it's a size problem - the SATA driver is the problem

Pls keep me informed of your progress - I'm going to ry to DL SP3

Thx -

LarryT

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW



LarryT wrote:

Hi Mitch - so you are saying SP3 contains the drivers and SP1 does not?


I'm saying SP3 (and I believe SP2) can handle a hard drive > 130GB. I 
don't know if that's part of your problem or not.




Can I skip slipstreaming SP1&2?


As far as I know, if you download the full SP3, which was 200+MB, and 
slipstream it to an install disk, the result is a full install disk with 
all updates through SP3.



I don't know about nLite, I think that software automated the slipstream 
process or most of it. I just did it manually with the instructions here.

http://www.howtohaven.com/system/slipstream-xp-service-pack-3.shtml
After I send this, I'm going to disconnect my existing XP and Vista 
drives, and try to install the slipstreamed XP on my new 1TB disk.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Mitch Haley]

Mitch Haley wrote:

Loren Faeth wrote:
Problem is that the older OS must be installed first for a dual boot 
system using 2 M$ os's.  That means you need a "real" Wissta install cd.


I hope to get around it thusly:

1. Partition 25GB, 25GB, 50GB and 850GB. (done)

2. Install wista on the 50GB. (done)

3. Make wista partition inactive.

4. Install XP-SP3 on a 25GB.


It failed right here, and in a way I didn't expect.
The slipstreamed SP3 install disk refused to recognize my product ID code, which 
had worked fine the last three times I installed XP on this computer without 
SP3. Now I need the service pack in order to recognize the huge hard drive.


I'm about ready to buy Norton Ghost (or look for a freeware equivalent) and make 
a copy of my existing XP drive to put on the new drive.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[LarryT]

Hi Mitch -
   Preparing to try SP3 - while looking for SP3, I came across this link 
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950722 where it tells of MS Key recognition 
problems.  But I hope I'll find a way around it.   See what you think --


LarryT


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Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW



LarryT wrote:

Hi Mitch - so you are saying SP3 contains the drivers and SP1 does not?


I'm saying SP3 (and I believe SP2) can handle a hard drive > 130GB. I 
don't know if that's part of your problem or not.




Can I skip slipstreaming SP1&2?


As far as I know, if you download the full SP3, which was 200+MB, and 
slipstream it to an install disk, the result is a full install disk with 
all updates through SP3.



I don't know about nLite, I think that software automated the slipstream 
process or most of it. I just did it manually with the instructions here.

http://www.howtohaven.com/system/slipstream-xp-service-pack-3.shtml
After I send this, I'm going to disconnect my existing XP and Vista 
drives, and try to install the slipstreamed XP on my new 1TB disk.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:34:01 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> I'm about ready to buy Norton Ghost (or look for a freeware equivalent)
> and make  a copy of my existing XP drive to put on the new drive.

With Linux, you could use the dd comand.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[E M]

Hey Larry,

Just wanted to say, tried the suggesting you and Wilton used, to swap files
from and old HD over to my new pc.  Was a snap.  Stuck the drive from the
old pc running Win 98 into an external, plugged it into my newish Vista
machine, and few mins later, all done.  I spent hours messing with memory
sticks, trying to find drivers for old 1.0 USB connects, etc.

Great idea, so thanks again to you and Wilton.  Wonder if I can drop all the
old HDs from my Macs into the external, and dump the mp3 movies from those
drives, onto a pc machine?  One way to find out. lol

Ed
300E

2009/6/21 LarryT 

> Hi Mitch -
>   Preparing to try SP3 - while looking for SP3, I came across this link
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950722 where it tells of MS Key
> recognition problems.  But I hope I'll find a way around it.   See what you
> think --
>
> LarryT
>
>
> "How come the proposed
> 'universal health care'
> excludes congress?"
>
> - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW
>
>
>  LarryT wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mitch - so you are saying SP3 contains the drivers and SP1 does not?
>>>
>>
>> I'm saying SP3 (and I believe SP2) can handle a hard drive > 130GB. I
>> don't know if that's part of your problem or not.
>>
>>
>>  Can I skip slipstreaming SP1&2?
>>>
>>
>> As far as I know, if you download the full SP3, which was 200+MB, and
>> slipstream it to an install disk, the result is a full install disk with all
>> updates through SP3.
>>
>>
>> I don't know about nLite, I think that software automated the slipstream
>> process or most of it. I just did it manually with the instructions here.
>> http://www.howtohaven.com/system/slipstream-xp-service-pack-3.shtml
>> After I send this, I'm going to disconnect my existing XP and Vista
>> drives, and try to install the slipstreamed XP on my new 1TB disk.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Peter Frederick]

Yes, you can.  The Mac will recognize a PC drive and happily copy  
files over.  It can also format drives for PC's, either format.


One of the multitude of reasons I have a Mac.

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[E M]

Hi Peter, problem is, I'm going the other day, old Mac to new PC.  I've
always used Mac's, so have a bunch of old ones.  This is my second PC.  My
thoughts were, get everything onto on comp, then dump it on an external
drive, so it's easy to just plug into whatever comp comes along next, which
will probably be an iMac.

Transferring the info from really old PC's to the new one was a snap, but
the new PC, running Vista doesnt' want to read the old Mac's HD's.  Oh well,
I'll just keep the old Mac HDs for when I get another Mac, and do as I've
done here today, and transfer them to the new Mac, then onto an external
drive.

Ed
300E

2009/6/21 Peter Frederick 

> Yes, you can.  The Mac will recognize a PC drive and happily copy files
> over.  It can also format drives for PC's, either format.
>
> One of the multitude of reasons I have a Mac.
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Mitch Haley]

LarryT wrote:

Hi Mitch -
   Preparing to try SP3 - while looking for SP3, I came across this link 
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950722 where it tells of MS Key 
recognition problems.  But I hope I'll find a way around it.   See what 
you think --


That link was what saved me, Larry. It seems you can't slipstream XP install 
files unless you are running the computer in XP. I believe there's a way to boot 
in command mode from an XP install disk, but you'd need to compile the 
slipstream on a hard drive that the XP disk can recognize. I just booted up on 
my old XP hard drive and integrated SP3 on that drive.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Peter Frederick]

Ed:

Microsoft products don't read Mac.  The trick is to get an empty  
external drive and dump the Mac data onto a PC formated drive (Drive  
Utility will format an external drive with either FAT32 or whatever  
the new extended format is).  Your Mac should happily copy files onto  
the disk (or, if they are small enough, onto a flash drive -- just  
leave it in PC format).  You should then be able to copy from the  
external drive onto the PC.


I'm setting up a Linux box using a retired computer from work -- just  
for fun!


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[E M]

Thanks Peter.  Problem is, some of these Mac's are now so old, using USB on
some of them is a problem, that's why I was just pulling the howl HD and
sticking them in an external drive to load into the newer comp.  Once I have
everything in one place and sorted, I'll then dump it all onto an exteral TB
drive or something for easy use with this or future comps.  I then plan a
big comp cleanout!! lol

Ed
300E

2009/6/21 Peter Frederick 

> Ed:
>
> Microsoft products don't read Mac.  The trick is to get an empty external
> drive and dump the Mac data onto a PC formated drive (Drive Utility will
> format an external drive with either FAT32 or whatever the new extended
> format is).  Your Mac should happily copy files onto the disk (or, if they
> are small enough, onto a flash drive -- just leave it in PC format).  You
> should then be able to copy from the external drive onto the PC.
>
> I'm setting up a Linux box using a retired computer from work -- just for
> fun!
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Curt Raymond]

*sigh* it pains me to stick up for Microsoft but nothing you've said below 
points to this being Microsoft's issue and EVERYTHING points to the Toshiba. I 
also think you've got unrealistic expectations. What you're basically wanting 
is Microsoft to support a 7 year old OS on brand new hardware with no changes...

>Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:05:52 -0400
>From: "LarryT" 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7  FWIW
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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>OK, here's what happened -

SP1 or SP2? My new Dell laptop won't even boot from an SP2 disk, it requires 
SP3...

>I have tried everything.  Formated a new HD (after trying the old HD), but 
>Win did not recognize *either* drive present.   I used the both drives in an 
>ext enclosure without problem.  Did a full format and tried again - same 
>problem.  checked the BIOS instructions and there is *no* switch for OS - no 
>mention of anything OS related.  I did a LOT of research while 
>looking...hoping it would be that easy.

Toshiba is the company sticking it to you here, why aren't you blaming them 
more?

>Toshiba is no help at all.  I went to Intel to find the proper HD Driver and 
>then used nLite to integrate the driver into my XP install discs.  Still did 
>not recognize the HD - same problem, no change..  Maybe Intel gave me the 
>wrong driver?  Anything is possible.

>I am slowly getting used to using Vista - it is slow and cumbersome - "used 
>to" is not the same as "liking it".

>I'm beginning to think I have what Dave Walton referred to << non-standard 
>drive controller, you are screwed
>until they come out with drivers for XP.>>  Why would they develop drivers 
>for XP?  MS doesn't even support it anymore.

If you want to use XP you need XP drivers for ALL your hardware. You're right 
they probably won't develop drivers for XP but that is NOT Microsoft's fault. I 
really hate how you keep trying to put this on Microsoft. Its Toshiba's fault 
for not using a standard drive controller.

>It's a Toshiba Qosmio F45 Laptop.  It's not a bad machine - 500GB HD and 2 
>GB RAM but Vista is like an anchor around its neck.

>Part of the problem is MS wrote the backdate to XP specifically hard to do. 
>When drivers are needed you must press F6 (no problem so far) but then you 
>must install the HD Drivers from a *floppy* drive.  How many people have 
>floppy drives?  A USB will not work nor will a CD.  Only a floppy.

When XP came out floppy drives were still pretty common. My HP nw8000 laptop 
had a floppy I could put in the expansion bay as did my Dell Inspiron 8500. 
With progress things change.

>Tell me MS didn't do that on purpose?  They are so friggin arragant that 
>they decide what OS I must use - no matter what I want.  Then they put 
>roadblocks up to prevent using what I'm happy with, and educated on.

MB doesn't have an add on Blu whatever it is tank for your 240D does that mean 
MB is giving roadblocks against your having cleaner emissions?

>Just found out  yesterday Vista Ultimate is not compatible with my full 
>versions of Roxio or Nero!  2 more programs (that were not cheap) I would 
>have to buy *new* versions of if I wanted to be where I was before buying 
>this POS.

You've got that one backwards, Roxio and Nero don't support VISTA. This is no 
different than any OS upgrade, newer OSs work in different ways and require new 
software, you have to pay to play.

>As I work to get my Acer (with XP) back up to speed after being repaired, I 
>plan to save all of my stuff, wipe the disc and install Vista to it's "out 
>of box" state - then sell it on eBay.  Maybe this won't be a total loss. 
>Luckily I can use my SATA ext. enclosure to cut/copy/paste anything needed 
>to my Acer.  The biggest problem is the SATA 50GB HD will not fit in my 
>Acer - it has ATA conns. I can use it as an ext storage device but that's it 
>for now.

>Next time I need a laptop I will look at Macs as suggested - as long as they 
>run Win PC software or have an equivilent.  I refuse to buy new SW just 
>because a sw designer adds some bells and whisltles.  Especially after 
>spending hours reading a manual that looks like a dictionary.  Don't need to 
>go thru that pain again.

Be prepared to basically do the same thing again a few years down the road, ALL 
of your complaints are common across COMPUTERS. Oh and the Mac will probably 
cost 2x what you've paid for the Toshiba. What you're asking is basically 
unreasonable so it should be no big surprise you're disappointed. I understa

Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Curt Raymond]

I just saw something else in this, XP HOME... Go on eBay, buy a real copy of XP 
with SP2 (or 3 preferred) and try that.
Or don't, I'll give you $100 for the Toshiba...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:24:04 -0400
From: "LarryT" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7  FWIW
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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The Toshiba Laptop I bought in late march has Vista Ultimate.  I have been 
trying to install my copy of XP Home wince early April when I decided the 
"improvements' MS made when creating Vista made it impossible for me to live 
with Vista.  Since then I have been progresively moved up the Help Chain 
getting more and more experienced (and less and less knowledgable) 
"experts".  None seem to know how to install XP onto a SATA Hard drive - 
even the *new* 500GB HD I bought specifically for this purpose.



  
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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[LarryT]

Hi Mitch -
Sounds good - glad that link helped - it was one of the few MS articles that 
was easy to read/understand/


I have a desktop running XP so it won't be a problem for me -

Take care -
LarryT


"How come the proposed
'universal health care'
excludes congress?"
- Original Message - 
From: "Mitch Haley" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW



LarryT wrote:

Hi Mitch -
   Preparing to try SP3 - while looking for SP3, I came across this link 
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950722 where it tells of MS Key 
recognition problems.  But I hope I'll find a way around it.   See what 
you think --


That link was what saved me, Larry. It seems you can't slipstream XP 
install files unless you are running the computer in XP. I believe there's 
a way to boot in command mode from an XP install disk, but you'd need to 
compile the slipstream on a hard drive that the XP disk can recognize. I 
just booted up on my old XP hard drive and integrated SP3 on that drive.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[Gary Hurst]

i paid $399 for a closeout new in box previous generation mac mini at
microcenter.  maybe that is the answer?

On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Mitch Haley wrote:
>
>> Loren Faeth wrote:
>>
>>> Problem is that the older OS must be installed first for a dual boot
>>> system using 2 M$ os's.  That means you need a "real" Wissta install cd.
>>>
>>
>> I hope to get around it thusly:
>>
>> 1. Partition 25GB, 25GB, 50GB and 850GB. (done)
>>
>> 2. Install wista on the 50GB. (done)
>>
>> 3. Make wista partition inactive.
>>
>> 4. Install XP-SP3 on a 25GB.
>>
>
> It failed right here, and in a way I didn't expect.
> The slipstreamed SP3 install disk refused to recognize my product ID code,
> which had worked fine the last three times I installed XP on this computer
> without SP3. Now I need the service pack in order to recognize the huge hard
> drive.
>
> I'm about ready to buy Norton Ghost (or look for a freeware equivalent) and
> make a copy of my existing XP drive to put on the new drive.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW

[LarryT]

You're welcome Ed -
We do have our moments. ;-)

Larry

"How come the proposed
'universal health care'
excludes congress?"

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 4:55 PM
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Hey Larry,

Just wanted to say, tried the suggesting you and Wilton used, to swap 
files

from and old HD over to my new pc.  Was a snap.  Stuck the drive from the
old pc running Win 98 into an external, plugged it into my newish Vista
machine, and few mins later, all done.  I spent hours messing with memory
sticks, trying to find drivers for old 1.0 USB connects, etc.

Great idea, so thanks again to you and Wilton.  Wonder if I can drop all 
the

old HDs from my Macs into the external, and dump the mp3 movies from those
drives, onto a pc machine?  One way to find out. lol

Ed
300E

2009/6/21 LarryT 


Hi Mitch -
  Preparing to try SP3 - while looking for SP3, I came across this link
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950722 where it tells of MS Key
recognition problems.  But I hope I'll find a way around it.   See what 
you

think --

LarryT


"How come the proposed
'universal health care'
excludes congress?"

- Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Win 7 FWIW


 LarryT wrote:



Hi Mitch - so you are saying SP3 contains the drivers and SP1 does not?



I'm saying SP3 (and I believe SP2) can handle a hard drive > 130GB. I
don't know if that's part of your problem or not.


 Can I skip slipstreaming SP1&2?




As far as I know, if you download the full SP3, which was 200+MB, and
slipstream it to an install disk, the result is a full install disk with 
all

updates through SP3.


I don't know about nLite, I think that software automated the slipstream
process or most of it. I just did it manually with the instructions 
here.

http://www.howtohaven.com/system/slipstream-xp-service-pack-3.shtml
After I send this, I'm going to disconnect my existing XP and Vista
drives, and try to install the slipstreamed XP on my new 1TB disk.

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