Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On October 20, 2017 at 11:22 AM Craig via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hitting a bridge is definitely bad form for a trucker.
>
>
> ...or a sailor.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsnZ6RjEXws
>
>
Ouch!  Did the skipper turn to port to make the mast fall overboard instead
of onto the cockpit and crew?  I think not, I think that idiot was trying
to "beat the bridge" and lost.  Badly.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 20, 2017 at 11:22 AM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hitting a bridge is definitely bad form for a trucker.


...or a sailor. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsnZ6RjEXws

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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 09:04:22 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Michelin builds tars here in the great state of Salkerlina so it ain't 
> all frogs makin em.  I don't know if they build car tars up there, but
> I know they build those monster off-road tars that are like 16ft
> diameter and won't fit in a container, so they have containers with
> open tops that they can get like 3 in.  I guess they stack them on the
> top layer on the ships, I always wonder if they have had any fall out.
> They have to route the trucks hauling them down not the most direct
> way, to fit under bridges I guess.

Hitting a bridge is definitely bad form for a trucker.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Michelin builds tars here in the great state of Salkerlina so it ain't 
all frogs makin em.  I don't know if they build car tars up there, but I 
know they build those monster off-road tars that are like 16ft diameter 
and won't fit in a container, so they have containers with open tops 
that they can get like 3 in.  I guess they stack them on the top layer 
on the ships, I always wonder if they have had any fall out.  They have 
to route the trucks hauling them down not the most direct way, to fit 
under bridges I guess.


--FT


On 10/19/17 9:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
H Maybe the Michelin frogs discontinued the practice and made 
everyone sell real michelins.  Last I knew wally and dead sam other 
brands only had warranty at their stores.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 18, 2017 at 1:18 PM
Just checked with Costco.

Bzzzt!! Wrong! Unless you buy a branded tire (Kirkland?) made 
specifically for the warehouse, the brand name tires are identical to 
the same name tire sold elsewhere. Also, the warranty booklet says 
you can have the tire repaired or replaced by any Michelin approved 
tire shop. No exclusivity to Costco.


Just to be sure I got the SKU for my tire and was able to find the 
exact same tire using the SKU on Tire Rack and elsewhere.


Nearly every online reference I saw to the subject was at least five 
years old. Even Consumer Reports dismissed it.


-D


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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Cosco containers!  Yeah their going to Costco!

--R


On 10/19/17 7:12 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I saw the one in Honolulu once I think.  Other than that the closest 
thing I see is dead sam or the trainloads of cosco containers going 
through town loaded with tons of cheep chinee junk.


None in the places I travel.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 18, 2017 at 12:58 PM
I am all too aware of this, having known about the Dead Sam’s 
Michelins from some years ago. For the money I’ll roll the dice, and 
it’s not like there aren’t Costcos darned near everywhere you go 
these days.


I am going to be asking them about this when I pick it up just for a 
current take on the situation. I’ll report back what I hear.


-D


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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The Nokians came in yesterday.  $35 to mount and balance 2, no stems.  
THey are round, built 4716, so they are about a year old.  I'm guessing 
they were cheap because they aged out.  Still should be good for 4 yrs 
or so.


They were built in RUSSIA!  I never had rooskie tars before!  Andrew 
should buy these and not his el cheapos.  THen he could support his 
cause!  (Well, I guess the cheep chinee ones were supporting mao's 
cause!)  Now he has an alternative!


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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

H Maybe the Michelin frogs discontinued the practice and made 
everyone sell real michelins.  Last I knew wally and dead sam other 
brands only had warranty at their stores.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 18, 2017 at 1:18 PM
Just checked with Costco.

Bzzzt!! Wrong! Unless you buy a branded tire (Kirkland?) made 
specifically for the warehouse, the brand name tires are identical to 
the same name tire sold elsewhere. Also, the warranty booklet says you 
can have the tire repaired or replaced by any Michelin approved tire 
shop. No exclusivity to Costco.


Just to be sure I got the SKU for my tire and was able to find the 
exact same tire using the SKU on Tire Rack and elsewhere.


Nearly every online reference I saw to the subject was at least five 
years old. Even Consumer Reports dismissed it.


-D


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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I saw the one in Honolulu once I think.  Other than that the closest 
thing I see is dead sam or the trainloads of cosco containers going 
through town loaded with tons of cheep chinee junk.


None in the places I travel.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 18, 2017 at 12:58 PM
I am all too aware of this, having known about the Dead Sam’s 
Michelins from some years ago. For the money I’ll roll the dice, and 
it’s not like there aren’t Costcos darned near everywhere you go these 
days.


I am going to be asking them about this when I pick it up just for a 
current take on the situation. I’ll report back what I hear.


-D


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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

HF Tools are weird. I bought one of their $15 4 1/2" angle grinders last week 
to have at camp. Its first job was to sharpen the blades on the bush hog. Its 
nearly as good as my Makita, other than the switch is cheezy its a very good 
grinder.HF sells really good grinding/cutting wheels too, surprisingly good 
considering its HF...
-Curt
 

On Thursday, October 19, 2017, 8:58:00 AM EDT, MG via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I had one of those from HF. It didn't even get a lug nut off of 
my daughter's car before it broke. Long cheater bar worked.

MG

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Thats a good idea, they make those torque multiplying things too, one of 
> those should work too.
> 
> -Curt
>  
> 
>    On Wednesday, October 18, 2017, 4:00:06 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> wrote:  
>  
>  Factory specs for torque on the lugnuts on my truck is 150#.
> I have started to carry a socket and a long breaker bar as I doubt I 
> could get a wheel off using the wrench that came with the truck.
> RB
> 
> On 18/10/2017 1:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I've found that the use of torque wrenches is over blown. If you rattlegun 
>> the lugnut down to 150#, the torque wrench will click over at 80# no problem.
>> I once had to take my car back to a tire retailer because I couldn't get the 
>> lugs off no matter what.
>>
>> Which reminds me, at camp last week I sharpened the blades on the bush hog. 
>> This is a 6 foot brush mower. The blades are held on by 1 1/8" carriage 
>> bolts. To get them off I use my 3/4" ratchet with a 5 foot cheater bar... 
>> Takes a lot of force...
>> -Curt
>>  
>>
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[MG via Mercedes]

I had one of those from HF. It didn't even get a lug nut off of 
my daughter's car before it broke. Long cheater bar worked.


MG

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Thats a good idea, they make those torque multiplying things too, one of those 
should work too.

-Curt
 

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017, 4:00:06 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 Factory specs for torque on the lugnuts on my truck is 150#.
I have started to carry a socket and a long breaker bar as I doubt I 
could get a wheel off using the wrench that came with the truck.

RB

On 18/10/2017 1:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I've found that the use of torque wrenches is over blown. If you rattlegun the 
lugnut down to 150#, the torque wrench will click over at 80# no problem.
I once had to take my car back to a tire retailer because I couldn't get the 
lugs off no matter what.

Which reminds me, at camp last week I sharpened the blades on the bush hog. This is a 6 
foot brush mower. The blades are held on by 1 1/8" carriage bolts. To get them off I 
use my 3/4" ratchet with a 5 foot cheater bar... Takes a lot of force...
-Curt
  




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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 20:41:16 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Thats a good idea, they make those torque multiplying things too, one
> of those should work too.

They make those torque multiplying things for big trucks, and they carry
big price tags ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:

> I've found that the use of torque wrenches is over blown. If you
> rattlegun the lugnut down to 150#, the torque wrench will click
> over at 80# no problem. 

That's not really "use of a torque wrench".  If that technique was
tried anyplace but a tire shop it would be condemned!

Use the impact wrench set to it's lowest setting to spin the nuts
until they touch the rim.  Use the torque wrench to torque them.

I guess expecting a tire shop to correctly use their tools is too
optimistic... 

As I understand, the torque limiting extension sockets really
work.  My issue is I grease the lugs, so the dry torque spec. is
way too much.  In general, I do all the tire work myself.

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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Thats a good idea, they make those torque multiplying things too, one of those 
should work too.

-Curt
 

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017, 4:00:06 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Factory specs for torque on the lugnuts on my truck is 150#.
I have started to carry a socket and a long breaker bar as I doubt I 
could get a wheel off using the wrench that came with the truck.
RB

On 18/10/2017 1:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I've found that the use of torque wrenches is over blown. If you rattlegun 
> the lugnut down to 150#, the torque wrench will click over at 80# no problem.
> I once had to take my car back to a tire retailer because I couldn't get the 
> lugs off no matter what.
>
> Which reminds me, at camp last week I sharpened the blades on the bush hog. 
> This is a 6 foot brush mower. The blades are held on by 1 1/8" carriage 
> bolts. To get them off I use my 3/4" ratchet with a 5 foot cheater bar... 
> Takes a lot of force...
> -Curt
>  
>


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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Factory specs for torque on the lugnuts on my truck is 150#.
I have started to carry a socket and a long breaker bar as I doubt I 
could get a wheel off using the wrench that came with the truck.

RB

On 18/10/2017 1:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I've found that the use of torque wrenches is over blown. If you rattlegun the 
lugnut down to 150#, the torque wrench will click over at 80# no problem.
I once had to take my car back to a tire retailer because I couldn't get the 
lugs off no matter what.

Which reminds me, at camp last week I sharpened the blades on the bush hog. This is a 6 
foot brush mower. The blades are held on by 1 1/8" carriage bolts. To get them off I 
use my 3/4" ratchet with a 5 foot cheater bar... Takes a lot of force...
-Curt
  




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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 18, 2017 at 2:24 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I would add that I was suitably impressed to see that Costco has a calibrated 
> test stand where they were checking their torque wrenches before starting the 
> day in the shop.  Rattle guns are the bane of tire changing.

What I like is when they use a rattle gun with a torque limiting extension on 
it, then check it with a clicker. If it clicks without turning the lug, they 
think it's spot on. If I had a tire shop, every rattle gun would have a 60lb 
limiting extension brazed onto it. 

Mitch. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've found that the use of torque wrenches is over blown. If you rattlegun the 
lugnut down to 150#, the torque wrench will click over at 80# no problem.
I once had to take my car back to a tire retailer because I couldn't get the 
lugs off no matter what.

Which reminds me, at camp last week I sharpened the blades on the bush hog. 
This is a 6 foot brush mower. The blades are held on by 1 1/8" carriage bolts. 
To get them off I use my 3/4" ratchet with a 5 foot cheater bar... Takes a lot 
of force...
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017, 2:24:49 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I would add that I was suitably impressed to see that Costco has a calibrated 
test stand where they were checking their torque wrenches before starting the 
day in the shop.  Rattle guns are the bane of tire changing.

-D

> On Oct 18, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just checked with Costco.
> 
> Bzzzt!! Wrong!  Unless you buy a branded tire (Kirkland?) made specifically 
> for the warehouse, the brand name tires are identical to the same name tire 
> sold elsewhere.  Also, the warranty booklet says you can have the tire 
> repaired or replaced by any Michelin approved tire shop. No exclusivity to 
> Costco.
> 
> Just to be sure I got the SKU for my tire and was able to find the exact same 
> tire using the SKU on Tire Rack and elsewhere.
> 
> Nearly every online reference I saw to the subject was at least five years 
> old.  Even Consumer Reports dismissed it.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Bear in mind that cosco, deadsams or wally land Mitchelins are not REAL 
>> mitchelins.  Only cosco will warranty yours.
>> 
>> I will not buy any tars from any of those places unless it is an emergency.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would add that I was suitably impressed to see that Costco has a calibrated 
test stand where they were checking their torque wrenches before starting the 
day in the shop.  Rattle guns are the bane of tire changing.

-D

> On Oct 18, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just checked with Costco.
> 
> Bzzzt!! Wrong!  Unless you buy a branded tire (Kirkland?) made specifically 
> for the warehouse, the brand name tires are identical to the same name tire 
> sold elsewhere.  Also, the warranty booklet says you can have the tire 
> repaired or replaced by any Michelin approved tire shop. No exclusivity to 
> Costco.
> 
> Just to be sure I got the SKU for my tire and was able to find the exact same 
> tire using the SKU on Tire Rack and elsewhere.
> 
> Nearly every online reference I saw to the subject was at least five years 
> old.  Even Consumer Reports dismissed it.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Bear in mind that cosco, deadsams or wally land Mitchelins are not REAL 
>> mitchelins.  Only cosco will warranty yours.
>> 
>> I will not buy any tars from any of those places unless it is an emergency.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just checked with Costco.

Bzzzt!! Wrong!  Unless you buy a branded tire (Kirkland?) made specifically for 
the warehouse, the brand name tires are identical to the same name tire sold 
elsewhere.  Also, the warranty booklet says you can have the tire repaired or 
replaced by any Michelin approved tire shop. No exclusivity to Costco.

Just to be sure I got the SKU for my tire and was able to find the exact same 
tire using the SKU on Tire Rack and elsewhere.

Nearly every online reference I saw to the subject was at least five years old. 
 Even Consumer Reports dismissed it.

-D

> On Oct 18, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bear in mind that cosco, deadsams or wally land Mitchelins are not REAL 
> mitchelins.  Only cosco will warranty yours.
> 
> I will not buy any tars from any of those places unless it is an emergency.


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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Sort of like the first Lowenbrau I tasted after they shifted production to
the USA.  Tasted like fortified Bud Lite.

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I am all too aware of this, having known about the Dead Sam’s Michelins
> from some years ago.  For the money I’ll roll the dice, and it’s not like
> there aren’t Costcos darned near everywhere you go these days.
>
> I am going to be asking them about this when I pick it up just for a
> current take on the situation.  I’ll report back what I hear.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Oct 18, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Bear in mind that cosco, deadsams or wally land Mitchelins are not REAL
> mitchelins.  Only cosco will warranty yours.
> >
> > I will not buy any tars from any of those places unless it is an
> emergency.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I am all too aware of this, having known about the Dead Sam’s Michelins from 
some years ago.  For the money I’ll roll the dice, and it’s not like there 
aren’t Costcos darned near everywhere you go these days.

I am going to be asking them about this when I pick it up just for a current 
take on the situation.  I’ll report back what I hear.

-D


> On Oct 18, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bear in mind that cosco, deadsams or wally land Mitchelins are not REAL 
> mitchelins.  Only cosco will warranty yours.
> 
> I will not buy any tars from any of those places unless it is an emergency.


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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Bear in mind that cosco, deadsams or wally land Mitchelins are not REAL 
mitchelins.  Only cosco will warranty yours.


I will not buy any tars from any of those places unless it is an emergency.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 18, 2017 at 12:51 PM
I had a flat on Monday morning.

Drove out of the garage, turned on to the street, noticed that the car 
seemed to be pulling to the let a bit. Pulled over, stopped, got out 
and took a look. Left front tire was flat as a board. I had driven 
close to a block on it, so I’m sure I probably trashed it. Tires that 
were on the car were expensive Michelins that had date codes from 
about 6-7 years ago, and were starting to dry rot on the edges as 
Michelins seem to be prone to doing in this climate. Too bad, as they 
had a decent amount of tread left on them. The spare was the same set 
and brand new. Still had the stickers on the tread.


Checked my Tires Plus guys for deals, nothing going there. I have been 
using Falkens on my cars of late and been quite pleased with the value 
to wear ratio, so I figured I would go that route. On a whim I looked 
at Costco. WOW! They had a Michelin deal going with $70 off a set of 
four tires and $0.01/tire installation. It ended that day, so I went 
there on the way home and bought a set of Michelin MXs for $501.00 out 
the door installed.


I would have spent near that for the Falkens, so I figured I would go 
for the Michelins.


-D


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Re: [MBZ] Tars Wuz: Polishing Glass

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I had a flat on Monday morning.

Drove out of the garage, turned on to the street, noticed that the car seemed 
to be pulling to the let a bit.  Pulled over, stopped, got out and took a look. 
 Left front tire was flat as a board.  I had driven close to a block on it, so 
I’m sure I probably trashed it.  Tires that were on the car were expensive 
Michelins that had date codes from about 6-7 years ago, and were starting to 
dry rot on the edges as Michelins seem to be prone to doing in this climate.  
Too bad, as they had a decent amount of tread left on them.  The spare was the 
same set and brand new.  Still had the stickers on the tread.

Checked my Tires Plus guys for deals, nothing going there.  I have been using 
Falkens on my cars of late and been quite pleased with the value to wear  
ratio, so I figured I would go that route.  On a whim I looked at Costco. WOW!  
They had a Michelin deal going with $70 off a set of four tires and $0.01/tire 
installation.  It ended that day, so I went there on the way home and bought a 
set of Michelin MXs for $501.00 out the door installed.

I would have spent near that for the Falkens, so I figured I would go for the 
Michelins.

-D



> On Oct 18, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> the Nokians are supposed to show up today.  Shipped from Tulsa, so Klen is 
> not too fur from somebody that sell em cheap.
> 
> Discount tar direct was a few bux higher, but they were willing to meet the 
> price.  They did not have em in stock  though, and Tulsa did.
> 
> We will see in 3-5 yrs how well they hold up.
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> October 18, 2017 at 12:29 PM
>> I’ll give it a shot when the car gets home. It’s out getting a new set of 
>> Michelins put on it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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