Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
These new disposals such as the one I am going to get have 3 stage grinding so the end result is pretty much liquefied. They even have them now that automatically inject enzyme into it to help break it down further. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 9, 2016, at 11:26 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: >> Speaking of disposals, we had one in our other house on septic but there is >> not one here. Wife wants one but I told her it would lead to having to have >> the tank pumped more often. > > Rule I have heard is that you can put anything you like into a septic > tank, so long as you have eaten it first. > > -- Jim > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Speaking of disposals, we had one in our other house on septic but there is not one here. Wife wants one but I told her it would lead to having to have the tank pumped more often. Rule I have heard is that you can put anything you like into a septic tank, so long as you have eaten it first. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
'Thought I made another one last week, but 'turns out I was wrong. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Craig via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Craig" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:30:13 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Yep, 'wondered after I sent it that could be the vac/siphon break for the DW drain. Yep, I screwed up again - jumped too quickly. No problem. I make mistakes, too. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:30:13 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes wrote: > Yep, 'wondered after I sent it that could be the vac/siphon break for > the DW drain. Yep, I screwed up again - jumped too quickly. No problem. I make mistakes, too. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Ahh, I've seen those before too, thought it was some kind of sprayer... -Curt From: Craig via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Craig Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:32:54 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > Does it look like a shallow upside down cup? I think I've seen them > before and wondered what it was. -Curt It's at the back-left of the sink in the attached picture. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Yep, 'wondered after I sent it that could be the vac/siphon break for the DW drain. Yep, I screwed up again - jumped too quickly. Soma the regular drain vents look much like that, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Craig via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Craig" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 23:19:08 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Yep, that's a drain vent. 'Installed most often immediately under cabinet top. Installed in lieu of vent stack through roof. Sorry, Wilton, it is not a drain vent. It's a vacuum breaker in the drain line of the dishwasher. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Actually those are just for the dw drain hose at the top of the loop to prevent siphoning and are independent of the "roof" vent. In my new addition I was going through various difficult contortions to try to get vents to 4 sinks and the tub and the inspector said to use "Studor" vents, which are the air admittance valves you can use in lieu of the roof vents. The "vent" is just the top of the drain line with that device installed. Our local code does not require the dw anti-siphoning vent as in the pic (as far as I know, at least the inspector said nothing about it). --R On 4/6/16 11:19 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Yep, that's a drain vent. 'Installed most often immediately under cabinet top. Installed in lieu of vent stack through roof. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Craig via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Craig" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:32:54 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Does it look like a shallow upside down cup? I think I've seen them before and wondered what it was. -Curt It's at the back-left of the sink in the attached picture. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 23:19:08 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes wrote: > Yep, that's a drain vent. 'Installed most often immediately under > cabinet top. Installed in lieu of vent stack through roof. Sorry, Wilton, it is not a drain vent. It's a vacuum breaker in the drain line of the dishwasher. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Yep, that's a drain vent. 'Installed most often immediately under cabinet top. Installed in lieu of vent stack through roof. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Craig via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Craig" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:32:54 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Does it look like a shallow upside down cup? I think I've seen them before and wondered what it was. -Curt It's at the back-left of the sink in the attached picture. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:02:45 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" wrote: > Speaking of disposals, we had one in our other house on septic but > there is not one here. Wife wants one but I told her it would lead to > having to have the tank pumped more often. That is correct, but whether the increase frequency of pumping would be objectionable is debatable. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
The "contraption" you mentioned may be a vent, or air admittance valve, which is often used in lieu of a vent pipe or stack that otherwise may need to protrude through the roof (usually). Vent to atmosphere is necessary to allow the system to drain properly and to prevent the water from being sucked (siphoned) out the trap. When venting a sink drain (not DW drain) through the roof is not practical or too costly, an air admittance (one-way) valve can be installed in a short stack usually up under the cabinet near the sink to let air in but does not allow flow out. Wilton - Original Message - From: "rogerhga--- via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk Wilton, In looking again at my connection, my under sink drain does have some contraption plumbed in after the trap which could be an anti siphon vent. My DW drain comes into the drain just after the two sink bowls and just before the trap. The plumber used a downward pointing "Y" connector which helps prevent any sink material from getting into the DW line and also provides somewhat of a more forceful water flow from the DW into the sink drain and trap, possibly helping to keep the trap cleaner (never had a kitchen sick clog). It looks funny to me (I'm not a plumber and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn last night), but again, it sure seems to work fine. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Wilton, In looking again at my connection, my under sink drain does have some contraption plumbed in after the trap which could be an anti siphon vent. My DW drain comes into the drain just after the two sink bowls and just before the trap. The plumber used a downward pointing "Y" connector which helps prevent any sink material from getting into the DW line and also provides somewhat of a more forceful water flow from the DW into the sink drain and trap, possibly helping to keep the trap cleaner (never had a kitchen sick clog). It looks funny to me (I'm not a plumber and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn last night), but again, it sure seems to work fine. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Curt, I think mine was a GE, at least I use GE filters, which you can buy in various types (taste, particulate, etc.). I had it installed inline before the main water line gets to anything, thus the whole house is filtered. I also have a filter in my refrig for water and ice. Since it's now just my wife and I (girls are gone), I only change the filters about once per year. The whole house filter has a clear housing so it's easy to visually check. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Got ya Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:52 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: > > No, angled downslope as it is now, so the water doesn't hafta change > direction immediately after entering the drain - keep the flow going > downslope like it is now. > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk > > >> That t has a little angle to it, so you are saying it needs to be opposite >> of how it is now, it currently angles up but I should move it and have it >> angle down? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:23 PM, WILTON via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> My thought, too. Swap the dishwasher drain "T" with the horizontal pipe >>> immediately above the trap; make sure the DW drain connection is on topside >>> of pipe and "headed/angled" down slope (toward the trap). >>> >>> Wilton >>> >>> ----- Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" >>> >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk >>> >>> >>>> If you look at the photo I sent earlier, it looks like I could just swap >>>> the section where the dishwasher drain goes into to the section right >>>> above the trap, just swap those 2 sections of pipe. This would lower the >>>> level of the trap a bit. Not sure that it would matter though. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:48 PM, WILTON via Mercedes >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The up loop to possible highest water level in the sink prevents water >>>>> from sink draining back into the washer in case of a defective (leaking) >>>>> valve in the dishwasher. >>>>> >>>>> Anti-siphon vent is any type of air gap in the drain line; most of the >>>>> time (an exception could be having a sink and its drain filled with water >>>>> - blocked drain and sink full of water), an effective gap is where the >>>>> dishwasher drain is connected to the drain above the trap. Some >>>>> jurisdictions require an additional, physical break (gap) in the >>>>> dishwasher drain hose ABOVE the possible highest water level in the >>>>> kitchen sink (water can not siphon (nor run/drain) from the sink back >>>>> past the air gap). (See illustrations in Goggle's "images for plumbing >>>>> dishwasher." >>>>> >>>>> If you don't have either the gap or the up loop, you've been lucky. I >>>>> hope you continue to be so. >>>>> >>>>> Wilton >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - From: "rogerhga--- via Mercedes" >>>>> >>>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>>>> Cc: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:13 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on >>>>>> mine so apparently I don't need it. >>>>>> Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. >>>>>> Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it. >>>>>> As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my >>>>>> whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode >>>>>> bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal >>>>>> expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin.. >>>>>> Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing >>>>>> issue with lots of "possible" causes and solutions. >>>>>> Roger >>>>>> Roger Hale >>>>>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. >>>>>> Monroe, Ga. >>>>>> 770-267-0850 >>>>>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com >>>>&g
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
No, angled downslope as it is now, so the water doesn't hafta change direction immediately after entering the drain - keep the flow going downslope like it is now. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk That t has a little angle to it, so you are saying it needs to be opposite of how it is now, it currently angles up but I should move it and have it angle down? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:23 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: My thought, too. Swap the dishwasher drain "T" with the horizontal pipe immediately above the trap; make sure the DW drain connection is on topside of pipe and "headed/angled" down slope (toward the trap). Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk If you look at the photo I sent earlier, it looks like I could just swap the section where the dishwasher drain goes into to the section right above the trap, just swap those 2 sections of pipe. This would lower the level of the trap a bit. Not sure that it would matter though. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:48 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: The up loop to possible highest water level in the sink prevents water from sink draining back into the washer in case of a defective (leaking) valve in the dishwasher. Anti-siphon vent is any type of air gap in the drain line; most of the time (an exception could be having a sink and its drain filled with water - blocked drain and sink full of water), an effective gap is where the dishwasher drain is connected to the drain above the trap. Some jurisdictions require an additional, physical break (gap) in the dishwasher drain hose ABOVE the possible highest water level in the kitchen sink (water can not siphon (nor run/drain) from the sink back past the air gap). (See illustrations in Goggle's "images for plumbing dishwasher." If you don't have either the gap or the up loop, you've been lucky. I hope you continue to be so. Wilton - Original Message - From: "rogerhga--- via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine so apparently I don't need it. Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it. As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin.. Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing issue with lots of "possible" causes and solutions. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
And I grew up in houses that had NO indoor plumbing. Little "outhouse" in back yard was used "as necessary" and we took baths in a laundry tub in the kitchen or a bedroom. I installed plumbing in that house for my mom in 1970, when I was 36. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk Maybe I should just cut a hole in the floor and stick the hose down there and just let it drain under the house. Many years ago we used to live in a house in the country when I was a kid and the washing machine was on a separate drain pipe that just went out back and drained into the pasture. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Wilton - do you make house calls? I'm pretty sure my DW hookup is incompatible with the plumbing codes of any country in the first, second or third worlds. On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:09 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Then, you must have an up loop to at least highest possible water level in the sink - usually touching underside of cabinet top by the sink or underside of sink at cabinet top level. Additional air gap not required here, either. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it? I have had one with and two without, never noticed any issue either way. Might be a local code issue. --R On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: Kaleb, I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of the house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water drain, while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm still running the original disposal after 17 years. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Heck the shower in my grandparent's house used to do that on the regular when I was a lad. Finally my uncle had enough and put in a new shower and actually glued the fittings together. Of all the things my grandfather was he wasn't much of a plumber... -Curt From: WILTON via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: WILTON Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk I inspected a $500 k+ house here in Goldsboro, NC, 'bout 20 years ago that had been occupied for about 5 years. At a shower in one of the 1F bathrooms, I directed my flashlight beam into the shower drain and looked directly at muddy ground under the house. Under the house, I found the drain trap and other pieces of PVC pipe that would have completed the connection just lying on top of a pier nearby. As indicated by amount of water under the house, the shower had been in regular use. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk > Maybe I should just cut a hole in the floor and stick the hose down there > and just let it drain under the house. Many years ago we used to live in a > house in the country when I was a kid and the washing machine was on a > separate drain pipe that just went out back and drained into the pasture. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Wilton - do you make house calls? I'm pretty sure my DW hookup is >> incompatible with the plumbing codes of any country in the first, second >> or >> third worlds. >> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:09 PM, WILTON via Mercedes >> >> wrote: >> >>> Then, you must have an up loop to at least highest possible water level >>> in >>> the sink - usually touching underside of cabinet top by the sink or >>> underside of sink at cabinet top level. >>> >>> Additional air gap not required here, either. >>> >>> Wilton >>> >>> - Original Message ----- From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:56 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk >>> >>> >>> If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it? I have had one with and two >>>>> without, never noticed any issue either way. Might be a local code >>>>> issue. >>>>> >>>>> --R >>>>> >>>>>> On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: >>>>>> Kaleb, >>>>>> I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. >>>>>> The >>>>>> drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the >>>>>> kitchen >>>>>> sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases >>>>>> or >>>>>> odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts >>>>>> of the >>>>>> house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water >>>>>> drain, >>>>>> while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. >>>>>> Mine >>>>>> could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which >>>>>> I'm >>>>>> happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, >>>>>> I'm >>>>>> still running the original disposal after 17 years. >>>>>> Roger >>>>>> Roger Hale >>>>>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. >>>>>> Monroe, Ga. >>>>>> 770-267-0850 >>>>>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>>
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Oh my lord. So they forgot to hook it up. Wow. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:34 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: > > I inspected a $500 k+ house here in Goldsboro, NC, 'bout 20 years ago that > had been occupied for about 5 years. At a shower in one of the 1F bathrooms, > I directed my flashlight beam into the shower drain and looked directly at > muddy ground under the house. Under the house, I found the drain trap and > other pieces of PVC pipe that would have completed the connection just lying > on top of a pier nearby. As indicated by amount of water under the house, > the shower had been in regular use. > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk > > >> Maybe I should just cut a hole in the floor and stick the hose down there >> and just let it drain under the house. Many years ago we used to live in a >> house in the country when I was a kid and the washing machine was on a >> separate drain pipe that just went out back and drained into the pasture. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Wilton - do you make house calls? I'm pretty sure my DW hookup is >>> incompatible with the plumbing codes of any country in the first, second or >>> third worlds. >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:09 PM, WILTON via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Then, you must have an up loop to at least highest possible water level in >>>> the sink - usually touching underside of cabinet top by the sink or >>>> underside of sink at cabinet top level. >>>> >>>> Additional air gap not required here, either. >>>> >>>> Wilton >>>> >>>> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>>> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:56 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk >>>> >>>> >>>> If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < >>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it? I have had one with and two >>>>>> without, never noticed any issue either way. Might be a local code >>>>>> issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> --R >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: >>>>>>> Kaleb, >>>>>>> I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The >>>>>>> drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen >>>>>>> sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or >>>>>>> odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water >>>>>>> drain, >>>>>>> while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine >>>>>>> could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm >>>>>>> happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm >>>>>>> still running the original disposal after 17 years. >>>>>>> Roger >>>>>>> Roger Hale >>>>>>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. >>>>>>> Monroe, Ga. >>>>>>> 770-267-0850 >>>>>>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>>
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Thats how the washing machine at my parents house works except it drains into a pipe that goes across the street and drains into a pasture. The pipe is clay and occasionally they'll be taking hay off the pasture and crush the end of the pipe. One year that made my parent's house flood really bad when the big spring rains came. When the water subsided we couldn't find the pipe. Eventually Dad poured a gallon of heavy cream down the drain, the cream was easy to find in the pasture. About 20 years ago Dad got a section of iron pipe that would just fit in the clay pipe, we shoved it up in there and haven't had trouble since. -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk Maybe I should just cut a hole in the floor and stick the hose down there and just let it drain under the house. Many years ago we used to live in a house in the country when I was a kid and the washing machine was on a separate drain pipe that just went out back and drained into the pasture. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Wilton - do you make house calls? I'm pretty sure my DW hookup is > incompatible with the plumbing codes of any country in the first, second or > third worlds. > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:09 PM, WILTON via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Then, you must have an up loop to at least highest possible water level in >> the sink - usually touching underside of cabinet top by the sink or >> underside of sink at cabinet top level. >> >> Additional air gap not required here, either. >> >> Wilton >> >> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk >> >> >> If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it? I have had one with and two >>>> without, never noticed any issue either way. Might be a local code issue. >>>> >>>> --R >>>> >>>>> On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: >>>>> Kaleb, >>>>> I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The >>>>> drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen >>>>> sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or >>>>> odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of the >>>>> house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water drain, >>>>> while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine >>>>> could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm >>>>> happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm >>>>> still running the original disposal after 17 years. >>>>> Roger >>>>> Roger Hale >>>>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. >>>>> Monroe, Ga. >>>>> 770-267-0850 >>>>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ok
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
I inspected a $500 k+ house here in Goldsboro, NC, 'bout 20 years ago that had been occupied for about 5 years. At a shower in one of the 1F bathrooms, I directed my flashlight beam into the shower drain and looked directly at muddy ground under the house. Under the house, I found the drain trap and other pieces of PVC pipe that would have completed the connection just lying on top of a pier nearby. As indicated by amount of water under the house, the shower had been in regular use. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk Maybe I should just cut a hole in the floor and stick the hose down there and just let it drain under the house. Many years ago we used to live in a house in the country when I was a kid and the washing machine was on a separate drain pipe that just went out back and drained into the pasture. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Wilton - do you make house calls? I'm pretty sure my DW hookup is incompatible with the plumbing codes of any country in the first, second or third worlds. On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:09 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Then, you must have an up loop to at least highest possible water level in the sink - usually touching underside of cabinet top by the sink or underside of sink at cabinet top level. Additional air gap not required here, either. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it? I have had one with and two without, never noticed any issue either way. Might be a local code issue. --R On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: Kaleb, I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of the house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water drain, while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm still running the original disposal after 17 years. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Yes that is my point. While I don't think the way it is plumbed is ideal, I don't really think it is the cause of my problem. But then again this could just be poos wanting me to install that Bosch I have sitting out in the suburban. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > This is key in deconstructing what is going on. If the install was bad you > would have had these issues in short order after putting it in service. > > Dan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I wonder why if that is the case it all the sudden started causing problems. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I think you may have found your culprit: drain issue. >>> >>> Get a copy of the installation instructions for your current dishwasher, >>> probably a download online, and find out how the drain is really supposed >>> to be installed / plumbed. You may need to have a plumber take a look. >>> >>> - >>> Max >>> Charleston SC >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> More on this drain hose routing. It appears it should have a high loop to prevent back draining I guess, so that's fine. What is a concern now to me is the way it is plumbed into the drain pipe. They have it connected to the pipe after the trap, not before it on the sink side. We do not have a garbage disposal which is where they normally attach to. Sent from my iPhone >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Does it look like a shallow upside down cup? I think I've seen them before and wondered what it was. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk It is a vent thing that goes in the countertop and the drain goes up through it to function as an anti-siphon one-way air valve to prevent dirty water from being sucked back into the DW. Had one in Houston, never seen them anywhere else. If the line is plumbed correctly there should not be anything pulling back into the DW. --R On 4/6/16 3:13 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: > Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine so > apparently I don't need it. > Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. Again, > since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it. > As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my whole > house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode bowls stay > pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal expiration times > and are still working fine. Just sayin.. > Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing issue > with lots of "possible" causes and solutions. > Roger > Roger Hale > Dinnerware Classics, Inc. > Monroe, Ga. > 770-267-0850 > www.dinnerwareclassics.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
That t has a little angle to it, so you are saying it needs to be opposite of how it is now, it currently angles up but I should move it and have it angle down? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:23 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: > > My thought, too. Swap the dishwasher drain "T" with the horizontal pipe > immediately above the trap; make sure the DW drain connection is on topside > of pipe and "headed/angled" down slope (toward the trap). > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:10 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk > > >> If you look at the photo I sent earlier, it looks like I could just swap the >> section where the dishwasher drain goes into to the section right above the >> trap, just swap those 2 sections of pipe. This would lower the level of the >> trap a bit. Not sure that it would matter though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:48 PM, WILTON via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> The up loop to possible highest water level in the sink prevents water from >>> sink draining back into the washer in case of a defective (leaking) valve >>> in the dishwasher. >>> >>> Anti-siphon vent is any type of air gap in the drain line; most of the time >>> (an exception could be having a sink and its drain filled with water - >>> blocked drain and sink full of water), an effective gap is where the >>> dishwasher drain is connected to the drain above the trap. Some >>> jurisdictions require an additional, physical break (gap) in the dishwasher >>> drain hose ABOVE the possible highest water level in the kitchen sink >>> (water can not siphon (nor run/drain) from the sink back past the air gap). >>> (See illustrations in Goggle's "images for plumbing dishwasher." >>> >>> If you don't have either the gap or the up loop, you've been lucky. I >>> hope you continue to be so. >>> >>> Wilton >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "rogerhga--- via Mercedes" >>> >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:13 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk >>> >>> >>>> Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine >>>> so apparently I don't need it. >>>> Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. >>>> Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it. >>>> As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my >>>> whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode >>>> bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal >>>> expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin.. >>>> Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing >>>> issue with lots of "possible" causes and solutions. >>>> Roger >>>> Roger Hale >>>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. >>>> Monroe, Ga. >>>> 770-267-0850 >>>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Air gaps are like antisiphon valves, determined by local codes. Darned antisiphon valves are a requirement here, and they netball the kind that if they are removed it trashes the fitting. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Apr 6, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > The air gap just depends on the plumbing codes in your area. I am not > thinking I need to move my pipes around. They are just pvc so thru should be > easy to unscrew and move > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Wilton's suggestion lead me to a blog about DW drains, and according to >> this guy, one CANNOT plumb the drain to the downstream of the P-trap. In >> addition, there must be an up-loop or an air-gap fitting between DW and >> connection to drain pipe, even if the DW already has an up-loop on the side >> of the DW. >> >> - >> Max >> Charleston SC >> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >>> Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing >>> dishwasher drain." >>> >>> I have spoken. >>> >>> Wilton >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
This is key in deconstructing what is going on. If the install was bad you would have had these issues in short order after putting it in service. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > I wonder why if that is the case it all the sudden started causing problems. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I think you may have found your culprit: drain issue. >> >> Get a copy of the installation instructions for your current dishwasher, >> probably a download online, and find out how the drain is really supposed >> to be installed / plumbed. You may need to have a plumber take a look. >> >> - >> Max >> Charleston SC >> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> More on this drain hose routing. It appears it should have a high loop to >>> prevent back draining I guess, so that's fine. What is a concern now to me >>> is the way it is plumbed into the drain pipe. They have it connected to the >>> pipe after the trap, not before it on the sink side. We do not have a >>> garbage disposal which is where they normally attach to. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Great minds think alike! See your picture with red circles of what should be swapped. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:23 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: > My thought, too. Swap the dishwasher drain "T" with the horizontal pipe > immediately above the trap; make sure the DW drain connection is on topside > of pipe and "headed/angled" down slope (toward the trap). > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:10 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk > > > If you look at the photo I sent earlier, it looks like I could just swap >> the section where the dishwasher drain goes into to the section right above >> the trap, just swap those 2 sections of pipe. This would lower the level of >> the trap a bit. Not sure that it would matter though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
My thought, too. Swap the dishwasher drain "T" with the horizontal pipe immediately above the trap; make sure the DW drain connection is on topside of pipe and "headed/angled" down slope (toward the trap). Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk If you look at the photo I sent earlier, it looks like I could just swap the section where the dishwasher drain goes into to the section right above the trap, just swap those 2 sections of pipe. This would lower the level of the trap a bit. Not sure that it would matter though. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:48 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: The up loop to possible highest water level in the sink prevents water from sink draining back into the washer in case of a defective (leaking) valve in the dishwasher. Anti-siphon vent is any type of air gap in the drain line; most of the time (an exception could be having a sink and its drain filled with water - blocked drain and sink full of water), an effective gap is where the dishwasher drain is connected to the drain above the trap. Some jurisdictions require an additional, physical break (gap) in the dishwasher drain hose ABOVE the possible highest water level in the kitchen sink (water can not siphon (nor run/drain) from the sink back past the air gap). (See illustrations in Goggle's "images for plumbing dishwasher." If you don't have either the gap or the up loop, you've been lucky. I hope you continue to be so. Wilton - Original Message - From: "rogerhga--- via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine so apparently I don't need it. Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it. As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin.. Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing issue with lots of "possible" causes and solutions. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Maybe I should just cut a hole in the floor and stick the hose down there and just let it drain under the house. Many years ago we used to live in a house in the country when I was a kid and the washing machine was on a separate drain pipe that just went out back and drained into the pasture. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Wilton - do you make house calls? I'm pretty sure my DW hookup is > incompatible with the plumbing codes of any country in the first, second or > third worlds. > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:09 PM, WILTON via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Then, you must have an up loop to at least highest possible water level in >> the sink - usually touching underside of cabinet top by the sink or >> underside of sink at cabinet top level. >> >> Additional air gap not required here, either. >> >> Wilton >> >> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk >> >> >> If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it? I have had one with and two >>>> without, never noticed any issue either way. Might be a local code issue. >>>> >>>> --R >>>> >>>>> On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: >>>>> Kaleb, >>>>> I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The >>>>> drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen >>>>> sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or >>>>> odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of the >>>>> house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water drain, >>>>> while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine >>>>> could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm >>>>> happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm >>>>> still running the original disposal after 17 years. >>>>> Roger >>>>> Roger Hale >>>>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. >>>>> Monroe, Ga. >>>>> 770-267-0850 >>>>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
If Wilton speaks in the forest and his wife is not around, he can't be wrong --R On 4/6/16 3:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: When pins drop, Wilton cannot be heard. On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: When Wilton speaks, people listen. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2016, at 12:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing dishwasher drain." I have spoken. Wilton - Original Message - From: "WILTON" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk Yep. 'Had a rental house about 30 years ago that had that problem. Tenants had never said anything about problem with dishwasher. During my inspection while they were moving, I opened the dishwasher and was "thrown" backward gagging and gasping for air and nearly throwing up from the terrible "state of affairs" inside washer. Garbage (kitchen drain pipe stuff) had backed up into the washer and rotted. 'Had a helluva time cleaning it, and, of course, plumbed the drain properly with an up loop to underside of cabinet (well above sink drain level). Wilton - Original Message - From: "Craig via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Craig" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:07:00 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes wrote: 'Should have an up loop. Yes, indeed! That or a vacuum breaker, else stuff in the drain pipe will get back in the dishwasher. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
yes absolutely do that otherwise you can get sewer vapors coming in too, which is what the trap is designed to prevent --R On 4/6/16 4:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: If you look at the photo I sent earlier, it looks like I could just swap the section where the dishwasher drain goes into to the section right above the trap, just swap those 2 sections of pipe. This would lower the level of the trap a bit. Not sure that it would matter though. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
'Been lucky at BOTH houses. Maybe we oughta "throw-in" together for a lottery ticket. ;<) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk Well I will say this, in the other house that is now our rental property the drain tube comes straight thru the side of the cabinet and runs up to the disposal. Have not had these sorts of problems there. This one goes up over the side wall of the cabinet and connects directly to the drain pipe after the trap (which some say is ok others say no) close to the bottom of the cabinet. It it quite a bit up loop I guess you would say since the have it hooked into the drain down low instead of up high into a disposal that we don't have. Speaking of disposals, we had one in our other house on septic but there is not one here. Wife wants one but I told her it would lead to having to have the tank pumped more often. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:13 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine so apparently I don't need it. Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it. As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin.. Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing issue with lots of "possible" causes and solutions. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
It is a vent thing that goes in the countertop and the drain goes up through it to function as an anti-siphon one-way air valve to prevent dirty water from being sucked back into the DW. Had one in Houston, never seen them anywhere else. If the line is plumbed correctly there should not be anything pulling back into the DW. --R On 4/6/16 3:13 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine so apparently I don't need it. Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it. As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin.. Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing issue with lots of "possible" causes and solutions. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
The air gap just depends on the plumbing codes in your area. I am not thinking I need to move my pipes around. They are just pvc so thru should be easy to unscrew and move Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Wilton's suggestion lead me to a blog about DW drains, and according to > this guy, one CANNOT plumb the drain to the downstream of the P-trap. In > addition, there must be an up-loop or an air-gap fitting between DW and > connection to drain pipe, even if the DW already has an up-loop on the side > of the DW. > > - > Max > Charleston SC > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing >> dishwasher drain." >> >> I have spoken. >> >> Wilton > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Wilton - do you make house calls? I'm pretty sure my DW hookup is incompatible with the plumbing codes of any country in the first, second or third worlds. On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:09 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: > Then, you must have an up loop to at least highest possible water level in > the sink - usually touching underside of cabinet top by the sink or > underside of sink at cabinet top level. > > Additional air gap not required here, either. > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:56 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk > > > If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it? I have had one with and two >>> without, never noticed any issue either way. Might be a local code issue. >>> >>> --R >>> >>> On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: >>>> Kaleb, >>>> I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The >>>> drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen >>>> sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or >>>> odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of the >>>> house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water drain, >>>> while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine >>>> could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm >>>> happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm >>>> still running the original disposal after 17 years. >>>> Roger >>>> Roger Hale >>>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. >>>> Monroe, Ga. >>>> 770-267-0850 >>>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
If you look at the photo I sent earlier, it looks like I could just swap the section where the dishwasher drain goes into to the section right above the trap, just swap those 2 sections of pipe. This would lower the level of the trap a bit. Not sure that it would matter though. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:48 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: > > The up loop to possible highest water level in the sink prevents water from > sink draining back into the washer in case of a defective (leaking) valve in > the dishwasher. > > Anti-siphon vent is any type of air gap in the drain line; most of the time > (an exception could be having a sink and its drain filled with water - > blocked drain and sink full of water), an effective gap is where the > dishwasher drain is connected to the drain above the trap. Some > jurisdictions require an additional, physical break (gap) in the dishwasher > drain hose ABOVE the possible highest water level in the kitchen sink (water > can not siphon (nor run/drain) from the sink back past the air gap). (See > illustrations in Goggle's "images for plumbing dishwasher." > > If you don't have either the gap or the up loop, you've been lucky. I hope > you continue to be so. > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "rogerhga--- via Mercedes" > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:13 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk > > >> Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine >> so apparently I don't need it. >> Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. >> Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it. >> As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my >> whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode >> bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal >> expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin.. >> Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing issue >> with lots of "possible" causes and solutions. >> Roger >> Roger Hale >> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. >> Monroe, Ga. >> 770-267-0850 >> www.dinnerwareclassics.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Then, you must have an up loop to at least highest possible water level in the sink - usually touching underside of cabinet top by the sink or underside of sink at cabinet top level. Additional air gap not required here, either. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it? I have had one with and two without, never noticed any issue either way. Might be a local code issue. --R On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: Kaleb, I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of the house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water drain, while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm still running the original disposal after 17 years. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Oh lord I have really started something. Here is a photo of mine. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > I think I'm going to check my DW drain installation when I get home... > > - > Max > Charleston SC > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing >> dishwasher drain." >> >> I have spoken. >> >> Wilton > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Well I will say this, in the other house that is now our rental property the drain tube comes straight thru the side of the cabinet and runs up to the disposal. Have not had these sorts of problems there. This one goes up over the side wall of the cabinet and connects directly to the drain pipe after the trap (which some say is ok others say no) close to the bottom of the cabinet. It it quite a bit up loop I guess you would say since the have it hooked into the drain down low instead of up high into a disposal that we don't have. Speaking of disposals, we had one in our other house on septic but there is not one here. Wife wants one but I told her it would lead to having to have the tank pumped more often. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:13 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine so > apparently I don't need it. > Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. Again, > since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it. > As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my whole > house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode bowls stay > pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal expiration times > and are still working fine. Just sayin.. > Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing issue > with lots of "possible" causes and solutions. > Roger > Roger Hale > Dinnerware Classics, Inc. > Monroe, Ga. > 770-267-0850 > www.dinnerwareclassics.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Oh, one CAN physically plumb it downstream of the trap - like somebody on the list already said that he saw (in his own house? 'don't remember), but it is "dangerous" to do so. For possible health and other reasons, the DW drain should discharge ABOVE the trap + up loop and/or air gap. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Meade Dillon" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk Wilton's suggestion lead me to a blog about DW drains, and according to this guy, one CANNOT plumb the drain to the downstream of the P-trap. In addition, there must be an up-loop or an air-gap fitting between DW and connection to drain pipe, even if the DW already has an up-loop on the side of the DW. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing dishwasher drain." I have spoken. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
When pins drop, Wilton cannot be heard. On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > When Wilton speaks, people listen. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 6, 2016, at 12:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing > dishwasher drain." > > > > I have spoken. > > > > Wilton > > > > - Original Message - From: "WILTON" > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk > > > > > >> Yep. > >> > >> 'Had a rental house about 30 years ago that had that problem. Tenants > had never said anything about problem with dishwasher. During my > inspection while they were moving, I opened the dishwasher and was "thrown" > backward gagging and gasping for air and nearly throwing up from the > terrible "state of affairs" inside washer. Garbage (kitchen drain pipe > stuff) had backed up into the washer and rotted. 'Had a helluva time > cleaning it, and, of course, plumbed the drain properly with an up loop to > underside of cabinet (well above sink drain level). > >> > >> Wilton > >> > >> - Original Message - From: "Craig via Mercedes" < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > >> Cc: "Craig" > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:27 PM > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk > >> > >> > >>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:07:00 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> 'Should have an up loop. > >>> > >>> Yes, indeed! That or a vacuum breaker, else stuff in the drain pipe > will > >>> get back in the dishwasher. > >>> > >>> > >>> Craig > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
When Wilton speaks, people listen. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2016, at 12:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes > wrote: > > Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing dishwasher > drain." > > I have spoken. > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "WILTON" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:45 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk > > >> Yep. >> >> 'Had a rental house about 30 years ago that had that problem. Tenants had >> never said anything about problem with dishwasher. During my inspection >> while they were moving, I opened the dishwasher and was "thrown" backward >> gagging and gasping for air and nearly throwing up from the terrible "state >> of affairs" inside washer. Garbage (kitchen drain pipe stuff) had backed up >> into the washer and rotted. 'Had a helluva time cleaning it, and, of >> course, plumbed the drain properly with an up loop to underside of cabinet >> (well above sink drain level). >> >> Wilton >> >> - Original Message - From: "Craig via Mercedes" >> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Cc: "Craig" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk >> >> >>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:07:00 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>>> 'Should have an up loop. >>> >>> Yes, indeed! That or a vacuum breaker, else stuff in the drain pipe will >>> get back in the dishwasher. >>> >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
If you mean the air gap thing no, they are not required here. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes > wrote: > > Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it? I have had one with and two without, > never noticed any issue either way. Might be a local code issue. > > --R > >> On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: >> Kaleb, >> I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The >> drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen sink >> drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or odors >> getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of the house. >> I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water drain, while >> preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine could have >> been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm happy >> with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm still >> running the original disposal after 17 years. >> Roger >> Roger Hale >> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. >> Monroe, Ga. >> 770-267-0850 >> www.dinnerwareclassics.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I wonder why if that is the case it all the sudden started causing problems. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > I think you may have found your culprit: drain issue. > > Get a copy of the installation instructions for your current dishwasher, > probably a download online, and find out how the drain is really supposed > to be installed / plumbed. You may need to have a plumber take a look. > > - > Max > Charleston SC > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> More on this drain hose routing. It appears it should have a high loop to >> prevent back draining I guess, so that's fine. What is a concern now to me >> is the way it is plumbed into the drain pipe. They have it connected to the >> pipe after the trap, not before it on the sink side. We do not have a >> garbage disposal which is where they normally attach to. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Wilton's suggestion lead me to a blog about DW drains, and according to this guy, one CANNOT plumb the drain to the downstream of the P-trap. In addition, there must be an up-loop or an air-gap fitting between DW and connection to drain pipe, even if the DW already has an up-loop on the side of the DW. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: > Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing > dishwasher drain." > > I have spoken. > > Wilton > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
The up loop to possible highest water level in the sink prevents water from sink draining back into the washer in case of a defective (leaking) valve in the dishwasher. Anti-siphon vent is any type of air gap in the drain line; most of the time (an exception could be having a sink and its drain filled with water - blocked drain and sink full of water), an effective gap is where the dishwasher drain is connected to the drain above the trap. Some jurisdictions require an additional, physical break (gap) in the dishwasher drain hose ABOVE the possible highest water level in the kitchen sink (water can not siphon (nor run/drain) from the sink back past the air gap). (See illustrations in Goggle's "images for plumbing dishwasher." If you don't have either the gap or the up loop, you've been lucky. I hope you continue to be so. Wilton - Original Message - From: "rogerhga--- via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine so apparently I don't need it. Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it. As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin.. Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing issue with lots of "possible" causes and solutions. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
I think I'm going to check my DW drain installation when I get home... - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: > Google "plumbing dish washer drain;" click on "images for plumbing > dishwasher drain." > > I have spoken. > > Wilton > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Our dishwasher and kitchen sink drain hook up with the shower drain in the basement. When the drain backed up, there was a lovely smorgasbord of food bits spewed out all over the shower pan. :(( I now need to reroute the drain pipes to correct what the a**h*le PO should never have done in the first place. On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > What do you have for a whole house filter? Our water district limes the > water pretty hard to keep the lead pipes from killing us. I'm pretty sure > there are no lead pipes headed to my house but some of the older service > areas do have them. Our water tastes fine fresh out of the tap but > deteriorates in flavor after it sits for a bit.We've got a Multipure filter > under the kitchen sink with a separate tap. It does an excellent job but > the filters are expensive. I wonder if a whole house filter, even a not so > great one, would make the Multipure filters last better.Actually we run > them way longer than the 6mos they're rated for but the water output gets > pretty slow. I figure the slower the water runs the more the filter is > catching... > -Curt > > From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: roger...@comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 3:13 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk > > Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine > so apparently I don't need it. > Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. > Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it. > As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my > whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode > bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal > expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin.. > Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing > issue with lots of "possible" causes and solutions. > Roger > Roger Hale > Dinnerware Classics, Inc. > Monroe, Ga. > 770-267-0850 > www.dinnerwareclassics.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
What do you have for a whole house filter? Our water district limes the water pretty hard to keep the lead pipes from killing us. I'm pretty sure there are no lead pipes headed to my house but some of the older service areas do have them. Our water tastes fine fresh out of the tap but deteriorates in flavor after it sits for a bit.We've got a Multipure filter under the kitchen sink with a separate tap. It does an excellent job but the filters are expensive. I wonder if a whole house filter, even a not so great one, would make the Multipure filters last better.Actually we run them way longer than the 6mos they're rated for but the water output gets pretty slow. I figure the slower the water runs the more the filter is catching... -Curt From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: roger...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine so apparently I don't need it. Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it. As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin.. Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing issue with lots of "possible" causes and solutions. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Rich, don't know what the anti siphon vent is. Everything works ok on mine so apparently I don't need it. Wilton, it seems the up loop would serve the same purpose as the trap. Again, since my unit works fine, I apparently don't need it. As I've said before, I may have just been lucky. Or it could be that my whole house water filter helps remove chemicals, etc. I know my commode bowls stay pretty clean and my water heaters (have two) are past normal expiration times and are still working fine. Just sayin.. Kaleb, let us know how your quest goes. This certainly is a perplexing issue with lots of "possible" causes and solutions. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Yep. 'Had a rental house about 30 years ago that had that problem. Tenants had never said anything about problem with dishwasher. During my inspection while they were moving, I opened the dishwasher and was "thrown" backward gagging and gasping for air and nearly throwing up from the terrible "state of affairs" inside washer. Garbage (kitchen drain pipe stuff) had backed up into the washer and rotted. 'Had a helluva time cleaning it, and, of course, plumbed the drain properly with an up loop to underside of cabinet (well above sink drain level). Wilton - Original Message - From: "Craig via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Craig" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:07:00 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes wrote: 'Should have an up loop. Yes, indeed! That or a vacuum breaker, else stuff in the drain pipe will get back in the dishwasher. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
This all makes me think our DW install is the best possible system. We're fortunate in that the DW sits directly over the drain pipe from the sink. So it drains directly down into its own trap, the drain pipe is maybe 2 feet long. The water feed pipe is also under the DW although just off to one side. Handy layout our kitchen... -Curt From: Craig via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Craig Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:07:00 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes wrote: > 'Should have an up loop. Yes, indeed! That or a vacuum breaker, else stuff in the drain pipe will get back in the dishwasher. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:07:00 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes wrote: > 'Should have an up loop. Yes, indeed! That or a vacuum breaker, else stuff in the drain pipe will get back in the dishwasher. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Do you have an anti-siphon vent on it? I have had one with and two without, never noticed any issue either way. Might be a local code issue. --R On 4/6/16 10:44 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: Kaleb, I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of the house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water drain, while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm still running the original disposal after 17 years. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
'Should have an up loop. Wilton - Original Message - From: "rogerhga--- via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk Kaleb, I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of the house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water drain, while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm still running the original disposal after 17 years. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Should be BEFORE the trap! After the trap can allow some BAD stuff to enter the dishwasher. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk More on this drain hose routing. It appears it should have a high loop to prevent back draining I guess, so that's fine. What is a concern now to me is the way it is plumbed into the drain pipe. They have it connected to the pipe after the trap, not before it on the sink side. We do not have a garbage disposal which is where they normally attach to. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Possible. One think I do notice is the drain line comes out of the dishwasher loops up and back down by design on the side of it by design. From there it's ran back up over the counter into the under sink counter to drain. It runs over the top of the divide between the 2. I wonder if this could be an issue and if a hole needs to be cut in the side so the house can come straight thru instead of up and over. I am going to get some of that dishwasher magic cleaner and run it thru first and see what happens and may even relocate the drain line before installing the Bosch. I should be able to return it since it's still in the box. At the very least I want to attempt to figure out the problem even if I do keep the Bosch so I can use it at our other house. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:09 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: Sorry about the Drano suggestion, might be too harsh. Mine has no stainless inside, all heavy plastic or coated plastic, or some such material. Is there any way to put extra water pressure into the pump to help flush it out? And also put some extra flush pressure on you drain lines? The drain lines may be backing up when full draining causing material to compact inside the large pump, hence negatively affecting it. If so, a new DW will eventually be affected by the same issue. Again, good luck, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Kaleb, I just checked my Maytag installation which works with no problems. The drain line comes out the bottom, no up loops, and goes into the kitchen sink drain "before" the trap. Therefore, the trap prevents any gases or odors getting back into the DW, just like traps work in other parts of the house. I think this straight line hookup allows faster/better water drain, while preventing material or odors from getting back into the DW. Mine could have been hooked into the garbage disposal, but was not which I'm happy with...less stuff in the disposal to cause it problems. BTW, I'm still running the original disposal after 17 years. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Its ok to plumb it in after the trap. The DW drain effectively has its own trap/ I think you may have found your culprit: drain issue. Get a copy of the installation instructions for your current dishwasher, probably a download online, and find out how the drain is really supposed to be installed / plumbed. You may need to have a plumber take a look. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: More on this drain hose routing. It appears it should have a high loop to prevent back draining I guess, so that's fine. What is a concern now to me is the way it is plumbed into the drain pipe. They have it connected to the pipe after the trap, not before it on the sink side. We do not have a garbage disposal which is where they normally attach to. > Sent from my iPhone > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 08:47:28 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" wrote: > We have not had a problem with the sink backing up. From what I read > having it connected below the trap leaves the possibility of gases > coming into the dish washer but with the loop on the side of the washer > and the high loop if I am not mistaken that would sort of act like a > trap itself leaving bit of water in the lower part of the loop. If I am > thinking correctly that is. You are. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Take the drain hose off the disposer, cut a hole in the lid of a 5 gal bucket, stick the hose in there. run a cycle. You can tell if it is pumping out at full force. You might also check the disposer to be sure it is not restricting the flow. Btw I agree it seems like it's not draining properly or is somehow not doing something but it seems like it's got to be in the big pump assembly but it does not seem to be serviceable. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2016, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: For some reason walmart did not have any dishwasher cleaner so I am currently running an empty load with baking soda and vinegar right now. I may try a citric acid wash as well. I can't imagine drano would be good for it. It has stainless steel interior so bleach is out. On 4/5/2016 11:42 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: >> Kaleb, >> How about running some Drano through the first load and then clear it out with some bleach in the second load? I still think your system is not draining / flushing completely. Just a thought, but it's still your money and your decision. Good luck, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 >> www.dinnerwareclassics.com >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
More on this drain hose routing. It appears it should have a high loop to prevent back draining I guess, so that's fine. What is a concern now to me is the way it is plumbed into the drain pipe. They have it connected to the pipe after the trap, not before it on the sink side. We do not have a garbage disposal which is where they normally attach to. That is actually good, but the volume of water may be backing up the drain pipe. Take the DW hose off and rig a way to hook a garden hose to the drain and turn the hose on full blast. Make sure it runs down the drain for a few minutes! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We have not had a problem with the sink backing up. From what I read having it connected below the trap leaves the possibility of gases coming into the dish washer but with the loop on the side of the washer and the high loop if I am not mistaken that would sort of act like a trap itself leaving bit of water in the lower part of the loop. If I am thinking correctly that is. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Shouldn't matter unless your sink drain backs up regularly. That high loop > also prevents stuff from flowing back into the DW from your drain line. > > Dan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 6, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> More on this drain hose routing. It appears it should have a high loop to >> prevent back draining I guess, so that's fine. What is a concern now to me >> is the way it is plumbed into the drain pipe. They have it connected to the >> pipe after the trap, not before it on the sink side. We do not have a >> garbage disposal which is where they normally attach to. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: >>> >>> Possible. One think I do notice is the drain line comes out of the >>> dishwasher loops up and back down by design on the side of it by design. >>> From there it's ran back up over the counter into the under sink counter to >>> drain. It runs over the top of the divide between the 2. I wonder if this >>> could be an issue and if a hole needs to be cut in the side so the house >>> can come straight thru instead of up and over. I am going to get some of >>> that dishwasher magic cleaner and run it thru first and see what happens >>> and may even relocate the drain line before installing the Bosch. I should >>> be able to return it since it's still in the box. At the very least I want >>> to attempt to figure out the problem even if I do keep the Bosch so I can >>> use it at our other house. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:09 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: Sorry about the Drano suggestion, might be too harsh. Mine has no stainless inside, all heavy plastic or coated plastic, or some such material. Is there any way to put extra water pressure into the pump to help flush it out? And also put some extra flush pressure on you drain lines? The drain lines may be backing up when full draining causing material to compact inside the large pump, hence negatively affecting it. If so, a new DW will eventually be affected by the same issue. Again, good luck, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, I just discovered that it was correct running up high and over. My new concept is it being connected to the drain pipe below the trap, not above it. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > It runs up and over for a reason. That creates a siphon so that when the DW > drains all of the water will be pulled out of the line and into the garbage > disposal/drain. > > Do NOT run it straight through! > > Dan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 6, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Possible. One think I do notice is the drain line comes out of the >> dishwasher loops up and back down by design on the side of it by design. >> From there it's ran back up over the counter into the under sink counter to >> drain. It runs over the top of the divide between the 2. I wonder if this >> could be an issue and if a hole needs to be cut in the side so the house can >> come straight thru instead of up and over. I am going to get some of that >> dishwasher magic cleaner and run it thru first and see what happens and may >> even relocate the drain line before installing the Bosch. I should be able >> to return it since it's still in the box. At the very least I want to >> attempt to figure out the problem even if I do keep the Bosch so I can use >> it at our other house. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:09 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry about the Drano suggestion, might be too harsh. Mine has no stainless >>> inside, all heavy plastic or coated plastic, or some such material. Is >>> there any way to put extra water pressure into the pump to help flush it >>> out? And also put some extra flush pressure on you drain lines? The drain >>> lines may be backing up when full draining causing material to compact >>> inside the large pump, hence negatively affecting it. If so, a new DW will >>> eventually be affected by the same issue. >>> Again, good luck, >>> Roger >>> Roger Hale >>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. >>> Monroe, Ga. >>> 770-267-0850 >>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Shouldn't matter unless your sink drain backs up regularly. That high loop also prevents stuff from flowing back into the DW from your drain line. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Apr 6, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > More on this drain hose routing. It appears it should have a high loop to > prevent back draining I guess, so that's fine. What is a concern now to me is > the way it is plumbed into the drain pipe. They have it connected to the pipe > after the trap, not before it on the sink side. We do not have a garbage > disposal which is where they normally attach to. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: >> >> Possible. One think I do notice is the drain line comes out of the >> dishwasher loops up and back down by design on the side of it by design. >> From there it's ran back up over the counter into the under sink counter to >> drain. It runs over the top of the divide between the 2. I wonder if this >> could be an issue and if a hole needs to be cut in the side so the house can >> come straight thru instead of up and over. I am going to get some of that >> dishwasher magic cleaner and run it thru first and see what happens and may >> even relocate the drain line before installing the Bosch. I should be able >> to return it since it's still in the box. At the very least I want to >> attempt to figure out the problem even if I do keep the Bosch so I can use >> it at our other house. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:09 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry about the Drano suggestion, might be too harsh. Mine has no stainless >>> inside, all heavy plastic or coated plastic, or some such material. Is >>> there any way to put extra water pressure into the pump to help flush it >>> out? And also put some extra flush pressure on you drain lines? The drain >>> lines may be backing up when full draining causing material to compact >>> inside the large pump, hence negatively affecting it. If so, a new DW will >>> eventually be affected by the same issue. >>> Again, good luck, >>> Roger >>> Roger Hale >>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. >>> Monroe, Ga. >>> 770-267-0850 >>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
I think you may have found your culprit: drain issue. Get a copy of the installation instructions for your current dishwasher, probably a download online, and find out how the drain is really supposed to be installed / plumbed. You may need to have a plumber take a look. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > More on this drain hose routing. It appears it should have a high loop to > prevent back draining I guess, so that's fine. What is a concern now to me > is the way it is plumbed into the drain pipe. They have it connected to the > pipe after the trap, not before it on the sink side. We do not have a > garbage disposal which is where they normally attach to. > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
More on this drain hose routing. It appears it should have a high loop to prevent back draining I guess, so that's fine. What is a concern now to me is the way it is plumbed into the drain pipe. They have it connected to the pipe after the trap, not before it on the sink side. We do not have a garbage disposal which is where they normally attach to. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > > Possible. One think I do notice is the drain line comes out of the dishwasher > loops up and back down by design on the side of it by design. From there it's > ran back up over the counter into the under sink counter to drain. It runs > over the top of the divide between the 2. I wonder if this could be an issue > and if a hole needs to be cut in the side so the house can come straight thru > instead of up and over. I am going to get some of that dishwasher magic > cleaner and run it thru first and see what happens and may even relocate the > drain line before installing the Bosch. I should be able to return it since > it's still in the box. At the very least I want to attempt to figure out the > problem even if I do keep the Bosch so I can use it at our other house. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:09 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Sorry about the Drano suggestion, might be too harsh. Mine has no stainless >> inside, all heavy plastic or coated plastic, or some such material. Is there >> any way to put extra water pressure into the pump to help flush it out? And >> also put some extra flush pressure on you drain lines? The drain lines may >> be backing up when full draining causing material to compact inside the >> large pump, hence negatively affecting it. If so, a new DW will eventually >> be affected by the same issue. >> Again, good luck, >> Roger >> Roger Hale >> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. >> Monroe, Ga. >> 770-267-0850 >> www.dinnerwareclassics.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It runs up and over for a reason. That creates a siphon so that when the DW drains all of the water will be pulled out of the line and into the garbage disposal/drain. Do NOT run it straight through! Dan Sent from my iPad > On Apr 6, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Possible. One think I do notice is the drain line comes out of the dishwasher > loops up and back down by design on the side of it by design. From there it's > ran back up over the counter into the under sink counter to drain. It runs > over the top of the divide between the 2. I wonder if this could be an issue > and if a hole needs to be cut in the side so the house can come straight thru > instead of up and over. I am going to get some of that dishwasher magic > cleaner and run it thru first and see what happens and may even relocate the > drain line before installing the Bosch. I should be able to return it since > it's still in the box. At the very least I want to attempt to figure out the > problem even if I do keep the Bosch so I can use it at our other house. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:09 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Sorry about the Drano suggestion, might be too harsh. Mine has no stainless >> inside, all heavy plastic or coated plastic, or some such material. Is there >> any way to put extra water pressure into the pump to help flush it out? And >> also put some extra flush pressure on you drain lines? The drain lines may >> be backing up when full draining causing material to compact inside the >> large pump, hence negatively affecting it. If so, a new DW will eventually >> be affected by the same issue. >> Again, good luck, >> Roger >> Roger Hale >> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. >> Monroe, Ga. >> 770-267-0850 >> www.dinnerwareclassics.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Possible. One think I do notice is the drain line comes out of the dishwasher loops up and back down by design on the side of it by design. From there it's ran back up over the counter into the under sink counter to drain. It runs over the top of the divide between the 2. I wonder if this could be an issue and if a hole needs to be cut in the side so the house can come straight thru instead of up and over. I am going to get some of that dishwasher magic cleaner and run it thru first and see what happens and may even relocate the drain line before installing the Bosch. I should be able to return it since it's still in the box. At the very least I want to attempt to figure out the problem even if I do keep the Bosch so I can use it at our other house. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:09 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > Sorry about the Drano suggestion, might be too harsh. Mine has no stainless > inside, all heavy plastic or coated plastic, or some such material. Is there > any way to put extra water pressure into the pump to help flush it out? And > also put some extra flush pressure on you drain lines? The drain lines may be > backing up when full draining causing material to compact inside the large > pump, hence negatively affecting it. If so, a new DW will eventually be > affected by the same issue. > Again, good luck, > Roger > Roger Hale > Dinnerware Classics, Inc. > Monroe, Ga. > 770-267-0850 > www.dinnerwareclassics.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Sorry about the Drano suggestion, might be too harsh. Mine has no stainless inside, all heavy plastic or coated plastic, or some such material. Is there any way to put extra water pressure into the pump to help flush it out? And also put some extra flush pressure on you drain lines? The drain lines may be backing up when full draining causing material to compact inside the large pump, hence negatively affecting it. If so, a new DW will eventually be affected by the same issue. Again, good luck, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Btw I agree it seems like it's not draining properly or is somehow not doing something but it seems like it's got to be in the big pump assembly but it does not seem to be serviceable. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 5, 2016, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > For some reason walmart did not have any dishwasher cleaner so I am currently > running an empty load with baking soda and vinegar right now. I may try a > citric acid wash as well. I can't imagine drano would be good for it. It > has stainless steel interior so bleach is out. > >> On 4/5/2016 11:42 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: >> Kaleb, >> How about running some Drano through the first load and then clear it out >> with some bleach in the second load? I still think your system is not >> draining / flushing completely. Just a thought, but it's still your money >> and your decision. >> Good luck, >> Roger >> Roger Hale >> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. >> Monroe, Ga. >> 770-267-0850 >> www.dinnerwareclassics.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
For some reason walmart did not have any dishwasher cleaner so I am currently running an empty load with baking soda and vinegar right now. I may try a citric acid wash as well. I can't imagine drano would be good for it. It has stainless steel interior so bleach is out. On 4/5/2016 11:42 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: Kaleb, How about running some Drano through the first load and then clear it out with some bleach in the second load? I still think your system is not draining / flushing completely. Just a thought, but it's still your money and your decision. Good luck, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Kaleb, How about running some Drano through the first load and then clear it out with some bleach in the second load? I still think your system is not draining / flushing completely. Just a thought, but it's still your money and your decision. Good luck, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
I'm probably going to try running a couple of doses of that dishwasher cleaning stuff thru the maytag to see what happens before installing the Bosch, and hopefully I can use it in the other house later down the road or take the Bosch back before Unpacking it (unlikely). For $500 more I could have got the model with the built in water softener. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes > wrote: > > me too, I'll shoulder that burden > > --R > >> On 4/5/16 6:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> I forgot to add this all rest on poos, he says they are great >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: >>> >>> Well I am loading up a Bosch as we speak >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: I believe that is the case, but with your negotiation skills... --R > On 4/5/16 5:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > I am fixing to walk into the appliance place and I notice they sell both > Bosch and Miele. I think the Miele are supposed to be the best but a lot > more expensive. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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me too, I'll shoulder that burden --R On 4/5/16 6:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I forgot to add this all rest on poos, he says they are great Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well I am loading up a Bosch as we speak Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: I believe that is the case, but with your negotiation skills... --R On 4/5/16 5:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I am fixing to walk into the appliance place and I notice they sell both Bosch and Miele. I think the Miele are supposed to be the best but a lot more expensive. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I forgot to add this all rest on poos, he says they are great Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > > Well I am loading up a Bosch as we speak > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I believe that is the case, but with your negotiation skills... >> >> --R >> >>> On 4/5/16 5:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> I am fixing to walk into the appliance place and I notice they sell both >>> Bosch and Miele. I think the Miele are supposed to be the best but a lot >>> more expensive. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
Well I am loading up a Bosch as we speak Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes > wrote: > > I believe that is the case, but with your negotiation skills... > > --R > >> On 4/5/16 5:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> I am fixing to walk into the appliance place and I notice they sell both >> Bosch and Miele. I think the Miele are supposed to be the best but a lot >> more expensive. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet even more dishwasher talk
I believe that is the case, but with your negotiation skills... --R On 4/5/16 5:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I am fixing to walk into the appliance place and I notice they sell both Bosch and Miele. I think the Miele are supposed to be the best but a lot more expensive. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
