Re: [MBZ] dies in gear
Original to the car at the time I got the 300D. Right now the car is parked on a slope until I get dry day to pull it out to a flat area and jack up again. While it was on the stands, I slid the transmission into gear both with brake on and without. Reverse did spin up but Drive was less willing to stay running. To move the car out of the street I popped it into gear without brake application so I could get a meter or so movement before it crapped out. All gears would engage when in position, but probably it was just Low gear, which was the only functional position prior to getting bushings installed. I just replaced large fuel filter (NAPA with HENGST) and will see if that aids in running. clay On Apr 12, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Curly McLain wrote: It is possible for the TC to weld itself together. Have you tried putting it in gear without foot on brake, so it is free to roll when the engine wants to turn the tran input shaft? Is this the original trans or did you put in a different one? jack up the rear end an put it in gear without brakes. D and R. Does it go through all the gears as you run the speed up to 70 on the speedo? Does it kill the engine? What happens when you brake the tires to a stop? But it is not stuck in gear, it is overwhelmed when put in gear. The more I research, the more I suspect the stator is mess up, as it would be making the turbine spin up with more gumption that would overcome the inertial resistance to movement. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dies in gear
Well, no fuel would make it low on power. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dies in gear
I am used to the goofy oil filter. Same as it was in Gump. The fuel filter I took out was a garbage FLAPS paper thing. The HENGST is fabric/felt and really closed cell. It took a long time to absorb fuel on insertion, while the FLAPS junk gushed itself empty. I am sort of unhappy I sold all the W115 shop manuals a few years ago. clay On Apr 12, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Those Germans do love to stuff things in, eh? That 300D is probably the worst case up to when they put plastic covers on everything to make the engine compartment pretty. Changing oil is pure pain on those cars, too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dies in gear
I adjusted idle knob to lots so it would start easier. Still have to keep it up to to keep the car running happily. I have not fired it off since installing the filter. I am trying to extricate the power steering pump to deal with the leak. Dang thing is hiding between the radiator, vac pump and lower control arm. clay On Apr 12, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Well, no fuel would make it low on power. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dies in gear
Those Germans do love to stuff things in, eh? That 300D is probably the worst case up to when they put plastic covers on everything to make the engine compartment pretty. Changing oil is pure pain on those cars, too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dies in gear
clay wrote: It has a TC. The thing would only move under power at L prior to installing the linkage bushings. Now it is able to find all gears and engages within a second. Then it dies. Lugging of the engine. The vehicle does move in the appropriate direction when put into gear. Then it lugs and dies. So, it engages, spins the drive shaft enough to move wheels. It would probably spin wheels if it had remained on the jack stands in either direction. It spun wheels in reverse without lugging on the stands. I have noticed that the front half shaft is more exposed at the splines. Could it also need a transmission mount and motor mounts upgrade? Here are some websites: http://www.bing.com/search?q=mercedes+transmissions+stuck+in+gearqs=nform=QBREpq=mercedes+transmissions+stuck+in+gearsc=0-32sp=-1sk=ghc=1cvid=c8078fdbc1aa4955a4bc546bddf7e046 or click mercedes transmissions stuck in gear. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dies in gear
So if you put it in gear and when it engages you push the go peddle down all the way does it still die? If so then my vote is for a bad TC. When the internal bearings in the TC go bad the vanes from the input come into contact with the output vanes as the spacing is very close there. When that happens there is no more shear of the oil which is what acts as both an open clutch and a closed clutch to either conduct power through to the tranny at a higher RPM or let the engine idle at a stop due to the oil shearing. You might try putting it into neutral, start the engine and push it to 5-10mph before putting it into gear and see if it drives till you try to stop at which time the engine will probably die. I would not recommend towing to do this and make sure the pushing vehicle is well back before putting into gear. That would pretty much prove the TC being bad. In all this I am assuming that the go peddle is opening the injection rack all the way. Manfred Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 19:38:32 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net I am still trying to figure that out. Supposed to at least spin up the input side even with the car not in gear because the thing is directly hooked to the motor. Sticking it into gear would engage something so the spinning will output. Drive shaft does spin, differential makes wheels go around. But the engine lugs when put into gear to the point it quits. clay clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dies in gear
But it is not stuck in gear, it is overwhelmed when put in gear. The more I research, the more I suspect the stator is mess up, as it would be making the turbine spin up with more gumption that would overcome the inertial resistance to movement. clay On Apr 12, 2015, at 1:13 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: clay wrote: It has a TC. The thing would only move under power at L prior to installing the linkage bushings. Now it is able to find all gears and engages within a second. Then it dies. Lugging of the engine. The vehicle does move in the appropriate direction when put into gear. Then it lugs and dies. So, it engages, spins the drive shaft enough to move wheels. It would probably spin wheels if it had remained on the jack stands in either direction. It spun wheels in reverse without lugging on the stands. I have noticed that the front half shaft is more exposed at the splines. Could it also need a transmission mount and motor mounts upgrade? Here are some websites: http://www.bing.com/search?q=mercedes+transmissions+stuck+in+gearqs=nform=QBREpq=mercedes+transmissions+stuck+in+gearsc=0-32sp=-1sk=ghc=1cvid=c8078fdbc1aa4955a4bc546bddf7e046 or click mercedes transmissions stuck in gear. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dies in gear
It is possible for the TC to weld itself together. Have you tried putting it in gear without foot on brake, so it is free to roll when the engine wants to turn the tran input shaft? Is this the original trans or did you put in a different one? jack up the rear end an put it in gear without brakes. D and R. Does it go through all the gears as you run the speed up to 70 on the speedo? Does it kill the engine? What happens when you brake the tires to a stop? But it is not stuck in gear, it is overwhelmed when put in gear. The more I research, the more I suspect the stator is mess up, as it would be making the turbine spin up with more gumption that would overcome the inertial resistance to movement. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dies in gear
I am still trying to figure that out. Supposed to at least spin up the input side even with the car not in gear because the thing is directly hooked to the motor. Sticking it into gear would engage something so the spinning will output. Drive shaft does spin, differential makes wheels go around. But the engine lugs when put into gear to the point it quits. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Apr 11, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Max Dillon wrote: I'm far from a transmission expert, never worked on one, but I have studied their operation a bit. Purely a guess, but if the torque converter were locked up, effectively there would be no clutch, and it would die immediately when either forward or reverse was engaged. Can a torque converter fail in this manner? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dies in gear
I would guess a stuck clutch, but am not sure which one. Certainly if one of the over-running clutches is stuck the transmission will lock up (be in two forward gears at once) when attemping to roll forward. What exactly is wrong and whether or not it will fix itself if you get it to move I cannot say. Could also be a stuck band. Still should not kill the engine as the fluid couplng or torque converter allows slip at idle. Don't remember if that tranny has a torque converter or fluid coupling (torque converter I think), but I don't know why it wouldn't work the same way in forward as reverse. Even stuck brakes where the driveshaft cannot move shouldn't stall the engine. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dies in gear
On Sat, 11 Apr 2015 17:39:54 -0700 clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: While on the jack stands the reverse function was spinning the rear wheels, not under load. Under load it just dies. w115 300D What happens with it spinning the rear wheels on jackstands if you gently apply the brakes? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dies in gear
I'm far from a transmission expert, never worked on one, but I have studied their operation a bit. Purely a guess, but if the torque converter were locked up, effectively there would be no clutch, and it would die immediately when either forward or reverse was engaged. Can a torque converter fail in this manner? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dies in gear
It has a TC. The thing would only move under power at L prior to installing the linkage bushings. Now it is able to find all gears and engages within a second. Then it dies. Lugging of the engine. The vehicle does move in the appropriate direction when put into gear. Then it lugs and dies. So, it engages, spins the drive shaft enough to move wheels. It would probably spin wheels if it had remained on the jack stands in either direction. It spun wheels in reverse without lugging on the stands. I have noticed that the front half shaft is more exposed at the splines. Could it also need a transmission mount and motor mounts upgrade? clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Apr 11, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: I would guess a stuck clutch, but am not sure which one. Certainly if one of the over-running clutches is stuck the transmission will lock up (be in two forward gears at once) when attemping to roll forward. What exactly is wrong and whether or not it will fix itself if you get it to move I cannot say. Could also be a stuck band. Still should not kill the engine as the fluid couplng or torque converter allows slip at idle. Don't remember if that tranny has a torque converter or fluid coupling (torque converter I think), but I don't know why it wouldn't work the same way in forward as reverse. Even stuck brakes where the driveshaft cannot move shouldn't stall the engine. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dies in gear
I need to do a brake job, as the parking brake does not work and the front wheels are stuck a little. clay On Apr 11, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Craig wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2015 17:39:54 -0700 clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: While on the jack stands the reverse function was spinning the rear wheels, not under load. Under load it just dies. w115 300D What happens with it spinning the rear wheels on jackstands if you gently apply the brakes? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
