Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube
The cheaper the bacon, the greater the output of grease!! On 8/19/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LT Don wrote: $1.59 on sale at Fareway in Iowa. Not the grease -- ya gotta actually cook and eat the stuff to get the grease. I call it my burden for the Chris Project. If I could get a gallon for $1.59 there MIGHT be an argument to be made, but I doubt that $1.59 would generate even a qt of grease Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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At least YOU felt good about yourself. Well done! On 8/20/05, BenzBarn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I once had a bumper sticker that read: '' Nuke the gay, unborn, baby whales '' Not sure why it upset so many activists ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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99% of the lawyers give the rest a bad name. On 8/22/05, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least YOU felt good about yourself. Well done! On 8/20/05, BenzBarn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I once had a bumper sticker that read: '' Nuke the gay, unborn, baby whales '' Not sure why it upset so many activists ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com http://www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com http://www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com http://www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com http://www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Don Teresa Merriman Market Place Mexico Vacation Rentals Property Administration www.marketplacemexico.com http://www.marketplacemexico.com
Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube
It's the feathers. Damn feathers make everything stink. Probably operator error of failure to RTFM. WA state ferry system suspended their trial of BioD. Claimed it clogged the filters.Ran 148k gallons through the ship, plugged filters. Then stopped. Ran D2 for a bit. Went back to BioD. Plug filters. Stop and call in some PhD expert. Get charged bunch of cash to learn-- Biodiesel is a wonderful solvent and it cleans all the CRAP out of your poorly run engines. The process of cleaning will use many filters, but that will stop when all the turds are removed. Labor cost goes up, but then will drop drastically as the ships run smoother. Solution-- Stop using the BioD because it makes the filters plug with crud. Equivalent to not urinating because it hurts to pass a kidney stone. On Monday, August 22, 2005, at 05:36 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: Right, but I think they have hit some snags...which, hopefully, will be worked out. THen I can give them my bacon grease :-) Christopher --- redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Article in Discover Mag. two years ago claims it puts out #2, and able to refine up to petrol of low octane. Think best use was to get carbon black out of all the junk put in. the plant is not supposed to stink. The whole process makes it all clean according to marketing folks On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 08:03 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: thought of visiting the place. It was supposed to put out oil at $15/barrel...right now it's costing $80/barrel and the plant stinks so bad that the neighbors are not happy. Warren Buffett's son is a big investor in it. All I know. I thought it was a lower grade than #2... Christopher --- redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Butterball Turkey plant some place in MO is putting out #2 type fuel for internal vehicle use from the offal. The process is thermal depolymerization and the stuff coming out the end is #2 (must be bio of a sort). Would the thermal part of it have rid the feed stock of water and other crud to the point it renders rendered turkey goo as truck fuel? On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 11:10 AM, LT Don wrote: No, I think he is as serious as an injector heart attack (which isn't a bad analogy). On 8/19/05, Steve MacSween OMG, I thought that was a joke. Unrefined animal fat? Through a Bosch plunger injection pump? Not in this lifetime, even strained do death. -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery
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Hollywood plastic surgeons must have buckets of renderable fat. And some fellow will get the idea for Biodiesel of the Stars from it On Monday, August 22, 2005, at 06:57 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: The cheaper the bacon, the greater the output of grease!! On 8/19/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LT Don wrote: $1.59 on sale at Fareway in Iowa. Not the grease -- ya gotta actually cook and eat the stuff to get the grease. I call it my burden for the Chris Project. If I could get a gallon for $1.59 there MIGHT be an argument to be made, but I doubt that $1.59 would generate even a qt of grease Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube
someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hollywood plastic surgeons must have buckets of renderable fat. Wow. You mean I can run my 240d off a tankful of Joan Rivers? (SHUDDER) Mac I dunno what dat is, but it AIN'T NO BIODIESEL, DUDE
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LT Don wrote: I think bacon grease is pushing the envelope of sanity a bit too much. I seem to remember reading that animal fats were to be avoided at all costs. And has anybody checked out what bacon fat costs per gallon for pretty poor fuel?? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
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$1.59 on sale at Fareway in Iowa. Not the grease -- ya gotta actually cook and eat the stuff to get the grease. I call it my burden for the Chris Project. On 8/19/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LT Don wrote: I think bacon grease is pushing the envelope of sanity a bit too much. I seem to remember reading that animal fats were to be avoided at all costs. And has anybody checked out what bacon fat costs per gallon for pretty poor fuel?? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
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You think whale oil would work in the Benz? It is a very fine lubricant, and burns with no soot. --R
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Greenpeace!!!1 On 8/19/05, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You think whale oil would work in the Benz? It is a very fine lubricant, and burns with no soot. --R ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
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hey chris, thanks for the package, it arrived. Christopher McCann wrote: I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd smelled disgusting. Filtered it and dumped it in the tank. Also filtered a mix of used VO and bacon grease. I took a 50/50 mix of the VO-bacon grease and D2 and put it in the freezer. It gelled. Added the appropriate amount of GE 8932Q and dumped the whole lot in the tank. We are now at about 25% recylced oil in the mix. The engine is incredibly quiet. Smokes a fair amount at start up, but id fine once warm (which still amazes me). As soon as I move (close today, if they get the title right), I will order 1,000 liters of a-l sauce and start more carefully measuring my oil-diesel proportions, will also set up the large qty filter system at this time and start keeping more detailed records. Diesels are amazing...wonder what would happen if I put bacon fat in my wife's Toyota Sienna?... :-) Christopher --- LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, I'd suggest an email to Virginia Tech. LOTS of guys down there (such as my son was) looking for MS projects. On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's a great idea. There is plenty of room for very serious research in this field. trip to UMKC (U of MO @ KC)...chemistry...environmental sciences...engineering... CM --- TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A university lab might do it for free and chalk it up to research. You could even side up with a grad student and convince them it's thesis material... Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that makes sense for forensic work. Wouldn't hurt to phone the KCPD lab and ask if they do outside jobs too. If university labs do it for a little cash, why not the cops? CM ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube
LT Don wrote: $1.59 on sale at Fareway in Iowa. Not the grease -- ya gotta actually cook and eat the stuff to get the grease. I call it my burden for the Chris Project. If I could get a gallon for $1.59 there MIGHT be an argument to be made, but I doubt that $1.59 would generate even a qt of grease Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
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you are correct macswine. Steve MacSween wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC the Bosch injection pump does not rely on the lubrication qualities of the fuel. The pumps in our cars use motor oil for lubrication. That's why the reduction of sulfur is not a critical factor in Bosch pumps as it is in rotary injection pumps that use diesel fuel for lubrication. The first shop that explained the workings of the inline pump to me, said that the actual delivery pistons are lubcricated by the fuel, which makes perfect sense if you look at a cutaway view of the pump. That is why the choice of whether or not to use a fuel additive, and then if you do which additive is chosen, is so critical and sparks so much debate, as any interference with the action of those pistons affects fuel delivery volume and amount (and of course there are seals issues as well, with some lubcricants). This applies to injectors as well, of course, but you can remove/clean/rebuild injectors more easily and cheaply than messing with the pump. Mac ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube
Christopher McCann wrote: I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd smelled disgusting. Filtered it and dumped it in the tank. Also filtered a mix of used VO and bacon grease. I took a 50/50 mix of the VO-bacon grease and D2 and put it in the freezer. It gelled. Added the appropriate amount of GE 8932Q and dumped the whole lot in the tank. We are now at about 25% recylced oil in the mix. The engine is incredibly quiet. Smokes a fair amount at start up, but id fine once warm (which still amazes me). As soon as I move (close today, if they get the title right), I will order 1,000 liters of a-l sauce and start more carefully measuring my oil-diesel proportions, will also set up the large qty filter system at this time and start keeping more detailed records. Diesels are amazing...wonder what would happen if I put bacon fat in my wife's Toyota Sienna?... :-) Christopher The sulfur in any ep grease results in the the accumulation of sulfuric acid combustion by-products in the oil and GREATLY increased engine wear and corrosion. Frequent oil changes using high TBN oils can control this to some degree, but there will be sulfur acids in the exhaust emissions. When you finish with this project you might want to try to concoct remedies for cancer. I feel sure you're just as qualified and there really IS a need! Or perhaps it might be more desirable to let people with knowledge and training in the subjects find cancer cures or alternate energy sources. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)
Im not going to get sued, and even if I did they wouldnt get much. Keep on posting your results. Although I will say you will blow your engine up sooner or later. I would like to start a pool on this, i give it 2 months. Christopher McCann wrote: Dear Steve, No need for the Kevlar suit. I appreciate your comments. 1. First your concern about people taking what is said casually as if it were gospel. I make a point, more than anyone else on this list, of confessing my newbie-ness and general ignorance. I hope nobody reads one of my posts and decides it's perfectly fine to use bacon grease in their car. I already have something of a disclaimer in my signature...the AKP-Wagen is specifically named and translated as Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle. I would NEVER do this with my excellent SD. NEVER. I bought a $500 rust bucket for this. I think I have made that clear in nearly all my posts and have been asked to keep people updated, which I am doing. I respect all the feedback I get BECAUSE people like you are on the list with lots of experience. I myself have read many posts of people adding all sorts of things to their fuel (even Marshall uses motor oil as a tonic, truckers regularly add ATF to their fuel, another man on the list filtered used motor oil and put a quart per tank in his car for decades. Luther is running a 60/40 oil/diesel mix...this all fascinates me and that's why I decided to see what really happens, hence this rust bucket test vehicle. So I am a certified ignoramous, but still had the sense to NOT do this to my nice SD...so if I figured that out, I bet most people can. This is a DISCUSSION group, not an official MB here is the Black Forest engineers exact recommendation on everything list. Although, I will say, that I am all for doing everything MB says on my SD down to gleitungspaste for my sunroof, M1 for my engine, green grease for my bearings and Zerex G-05 for my coolant. We can't limit our discussion to absolute automotive truths becuase there might be an idiot on the list. The example you give from last week is an opportunity for a knowledgeable person like you to say, hey buddy, that's dangerous. 2. never heard of anyone running gear oil through their diesel fuel system. I had never heard of anyone running anything but diesel fuel through their system till I started talking to people. ATF is not motor oil, is not gear lube, is not veggie oil, is not bacon grease. Some are reported to work, maybe some don't. I'm trying to figure that out. 3. difference between used oil and garbage - well, I don't know. It's filtered, it has a relatively low flash point between diesel and veggie oil and it burns. It's not being used as a lubricant anymore, so for fuel purposes, I don't know. 4. I realize that IP's have very tight tolerances, on the level of MICRONS. The fuel does not lubricate it (and even if it did, grease certainly lubricates better), so it's a question of purity and filtering, not what exact oil it is, be it fuel or cooking. 5. the day that anything that cooked out of something else in a frying pan goes into my car, filtered, remixed diluted, or whatever, will be when social conditions have hit the Mad Max level. You may here be speaking of the bacon and not veggie oil, for example. If it's the former, fine, I agree, it's pushing the envelope. If it's the latter, then I wonder what you think, in general, on the use of vegetable oil as a diesel fuel. Perhaps you are more concerned becuase of my single tank approach rather than a double tank one. I don't know. 6. IP repair complexity. It's a 30 year old car. If it gets ruined, replace it with a $100 used one from the PP. 7. propagating questionable practices I'm not propagating anything, I'm testing. Alternative Fuel TEST vehicle...note the change to my signature. well, it seems that your main point was about newbies taking my experiments as SOP. Fine. Agreed. DISCLAIMER: DONT TRY THIS AT HOME, YOU MIGHT KILL YOURSELF OR YOUR CAR. LET CHRIS MCCANN DO IT FIRST AND WE'LL ALL HAVE A GOOD LAUGH AT HIM. okay, a bit of a flame, but if the consensus of the list is that they don't want to hear about my experiments for fear of Kaleb getting sued, I'll quit posting about it. Seriously. Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van --- Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. what is so different about gear lube than other oils - motor, ATF, etc? that makes it so bad. Nothing, inherently, that I am aware of, makes it BAD. Though I have never heard of anyone running gear oil through their diesel fuel system. Also, it obviously has different properties to ATF and oil, otherwise you would
Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube
Somebody else said it first but when I read about the gear lube I was wondering why you wanted to put water in the fuel... If it looks like chocolate milk, or worse, coffee milk its got water in it. Do you know what makes bacon into bacon? Smoke and SALT. I bet if you check it that grease is quite salty (thats what makes it tasty) and as such is definately corrosive. -Curt Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:12:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Yes, I was serious. Yes, it's a $500 rust bucket (that runs well, for the time being anyway). So: 1. what is so different about gear lube than other oils - motor, ATF, etc? that makes it so bad. You mention sulfur additive...is that going to cause a mechanical problem, or simply violate Ultra-low sulfur fuel guidelines? BTW, is the sulfur why it smells so bad (both new and used)? 2. bacon grease - filtered, simply, but hardly refined. It blends perfectly fine with diesel, so why should it cause a problem in the injection pump?...it's not like it's corrosive to metal or seals or gets cold in the pump and hardens the arteries..proportion of bacon grease to diesel is probably 1-2%. I can see obvious jelling issues in the winter if the proportion were too high. Not saying I'm right (I'm probably not), just would like some more elaboration...trying to learn, probably the hard way. Thanks, Christopher - Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
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good point, but that could be true of any used veggie oil, not just bacon grease. Christopher --- Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody else said it first but when I read about the gear lube I was wondering why you wanted to put water in the fuel... If it looks like chocolate milk, or worse, coffee milk its got water in it. Do you know what makes bacon into bacon? Smoke and SALT. I bet if you check it that grease is quite salty (thats what makes it tasty) and as such is definately corrosive. -Curt Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:12:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Yes, I was serious. Yes, it's a $500 rust bucket (that runs well, for the time being anyway). So: 1. what is so different about gear lube than other oils - motor, ATF, etc? that makes it so bad. You mention sulfur additive...is that going to cause a mechanical problem, or simply violate Ultra-low sulfur fuel guidelines? BTW, is the sulfur why it smells so bad (both new and used)? 2. bacon grease - filtered, simply, but hardly refined. It blends perfectly fine with diesel, so why should it cause a problem in the injection pump?...it's not like it's corrosive to metal or seals or gets cold in the pump and hardens the arteries..proportion of bacon grease to diesel is probably 1-2%. I can see obvious jelling issues in the winter if the proportion were too high. Not saying I'm right (I'm probably not), just would like some more elaboration...trying to learn, probably the hard way. Thanks, Christopher - Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)
ROTFLMAO Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:58 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!) Does it smell good when you drive it? From the bacon not the gear lube (that stuff smells foul even when new, burned probably worse). I am extremely concerned however that you might be inadvertantly exposing devout Jews, Muslims, vegans, PETA activists and perhaps some erudite Hollywood actors and washed-up pop singers to vaporous pork products, through inhaled (un)combusted pork by-products, thereby insuring their lives and afterlives will not be remotely happy. How can you live with yourself for this atrocity? Please do not drive the testmobile at Gitmo or AbuGraib or we will have non-stop cable news coverage for the next 6 months, with attendant ACLU rantings and forged-but-accurate reports. I don't think there are any prohibitions against dinosaur product consumption, though there is a museum here in Texas that has proof they walked side-by-side with Man, but the implication is that they were intelligently-designed Christians so I am guessing they did not have any issues with eating them (dominion over beestes and all that) or using them to propel a vehicle. In the fall you might be able to get some moose grease and try that. --R ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Thanks for the encouragement, Bill. Don't really think this is cutting edge, but would like to substantiate or disprove all the I added horse piss to my benz for 20 years and it worked just fine stories. Thanks, Christopher --- Bill Aston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would imagine that there will be critics of your lab procedures even after you succeed in turning the engineering world on its ear. Please do continue, let us know how things are going, and then consider publishing in a learned journal. I believe that Henry Ford started with such basic material. Cheers Bill Aston -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/77 - Release Date: 8/18/2005 ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
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thought of that already. The Jews considered hanging pork fat in busses to deter Muslim suicide bombers. General Pershing used lard tipped bullets in putting down a Muslim uprising in the Philippines...maybe I should write to Donald Rummy. Christopher --- Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROTFLMAO Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:58 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!) Does it smell good when you drive it? From the bacon not the gear lube (that stuff smells foul even when new, burned probably worse). I am extremely concerned however that you might be inadvertantly exposing devout Jews, Muslims, vegans, PETA activists and perhaps some erudite Hollywood actors and washed-up pop singers to vaporous pork products, through inhaled (un)combusted pork by-products, thereby insuring their lives and afterlives will not be remotely happy. How can you live with yourself for this atrocity? Please do not drive the testmobile at Gitmo or AbuGraib or we will have non-stop cable news coverage for the next 6 months, with attendant ACLU rantings and forged-but-accurate reports. I don't think there are any prohibitions against dinosaur product consumption, though there is a museum here in Texas that has proof they walked side-by-side with Man, but the implication is that they were intelligently-designed Christians so I am guessing they did not have any issues with eating them (dominion over beestes and all that) or using them to propel a vehicle. In the fall you might be able to get some moose grease and try that. --R ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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The Butterball Turkey plant some place in MO is putting out #2 type fuel for internal vehicle use from the offal. The process is thermal depolymerization and the stuff coming out the end is #2 (must be bio of a sort). Would the thermal part of it have rid the feed stock of water and other crud to the point it renders rendered turkey goo as truck fuel? On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 11:10 AM, LT Don wrote: No, I think he is as serious as an injector heart attack (which isn't a bad analogy). On 8/19/05, Steve MacSween OMG, I thought that was a joke. Unrefined animal fat? Through a Bosch plunger injection pump? Not in this lifetime, even strained do death. -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Im not going to get sued, and even if I did they wouldnt get much. Keep on posting your results. Although I will say you will blow your engine up sooner or later. I think he'll just ruin his injector pump. Actually, it's more likely he'll clog up the fuel strainer before he gets that far. I'm not nearly as adventurous, although I did use my Mercedes to dispose of a pint of lamp oil and an old quart of 10W30, last month. Both were mixed with about 15 gallons of B20. The car didn't notice. In fact, I had it emission tested while it was on that tank of fuel.
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As usual, the Onion lends some perspective: http://www.onion.com/infograph/index.php?issue=4133 The bottom bullet point makes me think of our friend Christopher.
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Marshall, Thank you for explaining the problem with the high sulfur content of gear lube. I guess that's why the new stuff smells almost as bad as the used stuff. I can see why this is a problem. Perhaps the alkalinity of the very large amount of motor oil (proportiionally) in the mix (of the oil from a-1 barrel company) will compensate for the sulfuric acid produced, but then again, maybe not, since the detergents get burned in the same combustion process. Question: Does ATF have TBN values anywhere near those of motor oil? I would think not. Thanks in advance. Will rethink the current procedure. Cancer research: I'll leave that to professionals. Alternative energy, prefer to do that myself without credentials. Don't really fancy doing marketing as a hobby since I do it all day long. see y'all on Monday. No internet at home. Christopher --- Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd smelled disgusting. Filtered it and dumped it in the tank. Also filtered a mix of used VO and bacon grease. I took a 50/50 mix of the VO-bacon grease and D2 and put it in the freezer. It gelled. Added the appropriate amount of GE 8932Q and dumped the whole lot in the tank. We are now at about 25% recylced oil in the mix. The engine is incredibly quiet. Smokes a fair amount at start up, but id fine once warm (which still amazes me). As soon as I move (close today, if they get the title right), I will order 1,000 liters of a-l sauce and start more carefully measuring my oil-diesel proportions, will also set up the large qty filter system at this time and start keeping more detailed records. Diesels are amazing...wonder what would happen if I put bacon fat in my wife's Toyota Sienna?... :-) Christopher The sulfur in any ep grease results in the the accumulation of sulfuric acid combustion by-products in the oil and GREATLY increased engine wear and corrosion. Frequent oil changes using high TBN oils can control this to some degree, but there will be sulfur acids in the exhaust emissions. When you finish with this project you might want to try to concoct remedies for cancer. I feel sure you're just as qualified and there really IS a need! Or perhaps it might be more desirable to let people with knowledge and training in the subjects find cancer cures or alternate energy sources. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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thought of visiting the place. It was supposed to put out oil at $15/barrel...right now it's costing $80/barrel and the plant stinks so bad that the neighbors are not happy. Warren Buffett's son is a big investor in it. All I know. I thought it was a lower grade than #2... Christopher --- redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Butterball Turkey plant some place in MO is putting out #2 type fuel for internal vehicle use from the offal. The process is thermal depolymerization and the stuff coming out the end is #2 (must be bio of a sort). Would the thermal part of it have rid the feed stock of water and other crud to the point it renders rendered turkey goo as truck fuel? On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 11:10 AM, LT Don wrote: No, I think he is as serious as an injector heart attack (which isn't a bad analogy). On 8/19/05, Steve MacSween OMG, I thought that was a joke. Unrefined animal fat? Through a Bosch plunger injection pump? Not in this lifetime, even strained do death. -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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keeping a close eye on the fuel strainer and both filters. When the IP croaks, you'll be the first to know. Christopher --- David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Im not going to get sued, and even if I did they wouldnt get much. Keep on posting your results. Although I will say you will blow your engine up sooner or later. I think he'll just ruin his injector pump. Actually, it's more likely he'll clog up the fuel strainer before he gets that far. I'm not nearly as adventurous, although I did use my Mercedes to dispose of a pint of lamp oil and an old quart of 10W30, last month. Both were mixed with about 15 gallons of B20. The car didn't notice. In fact, I had it emission tested while it was on that tank of fuel. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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Whateverthanol - I like it, but not using any alcohol, although if I drink enough Boulevard Wheat Beer tonight, I might try that :-) Eco-coal - Dr. Rudy Diesel did that. Didn't work too well (idiot)...then he tried benzine and blew up half his shop (idiot), then tried peanut oil and amazed the 1893 Paris world's fair... Christopher (PROFESSIONAL idiot) --- David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As usual, the Onion lends some perspective: http://www.onion.com/infograph/index.php?issue=4133 The bottom bullet point makes me think of our friend Christopher. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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To frighten y'all even more, after trashing the 240D (2 to 1 odds in the next two months), I plan on running a 560 SEL on gasogen, building a waste oil heater (http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html#mwoh) and making a biogas digester to fuel my gas log. Looked at a diesel generator tonight too...screw the grid. You know people are running HOME fuel oil furnaces on veggie oil (but probably not pig fat or gear lube)...endless possibilities BTW, who on the list does oil analysis? I'd like to have the a-l sauce tested for sulphur content, seriously. God Bless, enjoy the weekend. Christopher --- Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marshall, Thank you for explaining the problem with the high sulfur content of gear lube. I guess that's why the new stuff smells almost as bad as the used stuff. I can see why this is a problem. Perhaps the alkalinity of the very large amount of motor oil (proportiionally) in the mix (of the oil from a-1 barrel company) will compensate for the sulfuric acid produced, but then again, maybe not, since the detergents get burned in the same combustion process. Question: Does ATF have TBN values anywhere near those of motor oil? I would think not. Thanks in advance. Will rethink the current procedure. Cancer research: I'll leave that to professionals. Alternative energy, prefer to do that myself without credentials. Don't really fancy doing marketing as a hobby since I do it all day long. see y'all on Monday. No internet at home. Christopher --- Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd smelled disgusting. Filtered it and dumped it in the tank. Also filtered a mix of used VO and bacon grease. I took a 50/50 mix of the VO-bacon grease and D2 and put it in the freezer. It gelled. Added the appropriate amount of GE 8932Q and dumped the whole lot in the tank. We are now at about 25% recylced oil in the mix. The engine is incredibly quiet. Smokes a fair amount at start up, but id fine once warm (which still amazes me). As soon as I move (close today, if they get the title right), I will order 1,000 liters of a-l sauce and start more carefully measuring my oil-diesel proportions, will also set up the large qty filter system at this time and start keeping more detailed records. Diesels are amazing...wonder what would happen if I put bacon fat in my wife's Toyota Sienna?... :-) Christopher The sulfur in any ep grease results in the the accumulation of sulfuric acid combustion by-products in the oil and GREATLY increased engine wear and corrosion. Frequent oil changes using high TBN oils can control this to some degree, but there will be sulfur acids in the exhaust emissions. When you finish with this project you might want to try to concoct remedies for cancer. I feel sure you're just as qualified and there really IS a need! Or perhaps it might be more desirable to let people with knowledge and training in the subjects find cancer cures or alternate energy sources. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)
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Answerd my own question: As long as TBN is above 0.5 there is no need to change SynLube, and even if TBN becomes NEGATIVE (TAN) then only small addition of 4 to 8 oz of TBN additive that is available from SynLube,Inc. will drastically increase TBN readings (sometimes OVER 10). TBN is generally ONLY concern in some Diesel Engines that have sensitivity to oil which turns acidic. Most transmission oils are intentionally acidic as this helps with adhesion of anti-scuff additives onto gear faces and teeth. SO: 1. ATF is already acidic (bad) 2. There is a TBN additive, which could compensate (perhaps) for the sulphur in the gear lube, rendering my a-1 sauce neutral...yes? no? Feedback is truly welcome. Christopher --- Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marshall, Thank you for explaining the problem with the high sulfur content of gear lube. I guess that's why the new stuff smells almost as bad as the used stuff. I can see why this is a problem. Perhaps the alkalinity of the very large amount of motor oil (proportiionally) in the mix (of the oil from a-1 barrel company) will compensate for the sulfuric acid produced, but then again, maybe not, since the detergents get burned in the same combustion process. Question: Does ATF have TBN values anywhere near those of motor oil? I would think not. Thanks in advance. Will rethink the current procedure. Cancer research: I'll leave that to professionals. Alternative energy, prefer to do that myself without credentials. Don't really fancy doing marketing as a hobby since I do it all day long. see y'all on Monday. No internet at home. Christopher --- Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd smelled disgusting. Filtered it and dumped it in the tank. Also filtered a mix of used VO and bacon grease. I took a 50/50 mix of the VO-bacon grease and D2 and put it in the freezer. It gelled. Added the appropriate amount of GE 8932Q and dumped the whole lot in the tank. We are now at about 25% recylced oil in the mix. The engine is incredibly quiet. Smokes a fair amount at start up, but id fine once warm (which still amazes me). As soon as I move (close today, if they get the title right), I will order 1,000 liters of a-l sauce and start more carefully measuring my oil-diesel proportions, will also set up the large qty filter system at this time and start keeping more detailed records. Diesels are amazing...wonder what would happen if I put bacon fat in my wife's Toyota Sienna?... :-) Christopher The sulfur in any ep grease results in the the accumulation of sulfuric acid combustion by-products in the oil and GREATLY increased engine wear and corrosion. Frequent oil changes using high TBN oils can control this to some degree, but there will be sulfur acids in the exhaust emissions. When you finish with this project you might want to try to concoct remedies for cancer. I feel sure you're just as qualified and there really IS a need! Or perhaps it might be more desirable to let people with knowledge and training in the subjects find cancer cures or alternate energy sources. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles,
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Now remember, you can't have too many measuring tools -- always have to have these sorts of things on hand! Now you've got me started - why am I sending oil samples off to be analyzed? I got A's in qualitative analysis. I have forgotten 90% of it in the last 35 years, but it sure was fun. On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL - we had one donated to us in High School (I was in the science club) and we could never get it to work...don't really want to go that route. Would rather find a service. gonna google it now. CM -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL '81 240D '78 450SLC
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Yup! Gump has to get a fresh batch of M1 added to her IP when there is too much #2 in there. On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 02:30 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote: Macs No need for the kevlar from here A correction to the quote below... IIRC the Bosch injection pump does not rely on the lubrication qualities of the fuel. The pumps in our cars use motor oil for lubrication. That's why the reduction of sulfur is not a critical factor in Bosch pumps as it is in rotary injection pumps that use diesel fuel for lubrication. On Aug 19, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Steve MacSween wrote: The Bosch inline diesel injection pump looks from the outside like a robust piece of kit, but on the inside it works as well as it does because it's a precision instrument on the order of a Swiss watch. In particular, it relies upon the lubricating qualities, and general purity, of the diesel that runs through it. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Chris!!! You have to get some baby seal oil for the car! I understand it has incredible lubricity and will make your IP squeaking clean when hit with a club. If you have a hard time getting the seal oil, maybe the whale oil (available from your local First Nations store) will be of a high enough cetane to allow you to out run one of those lame m617 turbo models. Should both those fail, might have some slick liberal lawyer oil, extracted at great cost from right thinking persons/creche displays/terror suspects with trampled rights. On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 04:04 PM, LT Don wrote: Now don't start knocking ACLU. And don't EVEN think about putting in a Greenpeace slam! -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Article in Discover Mag. two years ago claims it puts out #2, and able to refine up to petrol of low octane. Think best use was to get carbon black out of all the junk put in. the plant is not supposed to stink. The whole process makes it all clean according to marketing folks On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 08:03 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: thought of visiting the place. It was supposed to put out oil at $15/barrel...right now it's costing $80/barrel and the plant stinks so bad that the neighbors are not happy. Warren Buffett's son is a big investor in it. All I know. I thought it was a lower grade than #2... Christopher --- redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Butterball Turkey plant some place in MO is putting out #2 type fuel for internal vehicle use from the offal. The process is thermal depolymerization and the stuff coming out the end is #2 (must be bio of a sort). Would the thermal part of it have rid the feed stock of water and other crud to the point it renders rendered turkey goo as truck fuel? On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 11:10 AM, LT Don wrote: No, I think he is as serious as an injector heart attack (which isn't a bad analogy). On 8/19/05, Steve MacSween OMG, I thought that was a joke. Unrefined animal fat? Through a Bosch plunger injection pump? Not in this lifetime, even strained do death. -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Maybe I'll get some of that stuff I get emails for, and mix it with the sperm whale oil, and the car will be much more powerful? --R redghost wrote: Right or Sperm? On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 04:48 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: You think whale oil would work in the Benz? It is a very fine lubricant, and burns with no soot. --R ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I once had a bumper sticker that read: '' Nuke the gay, unborn, baby whales '' Not sure why it upset so many activists
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It would be same as lamp oil of old. No way it would smoke, and of course it would make the car faster. You ever see how fast a whale goes? May even allow the car to convert to amphibious mode like a Bond car. Then you can get from Baja to AK without using up the tires On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 10:33 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Maybe I'll get some of that stuff I get emails for, and mix it with the sperm whale oil, and the car will be much more powerful? --R redghost wrote: Right or Sperm? On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 04:48 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: You think whale oil would work in the Benz? It is a very fine lubricant, and burns with no soot. --R -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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David Brodbeck wrote: Yeah, but Japanese and Norwegian sailors would always be trying to embed harpoons in your hood. And a watch repairman would steal your car so he could sell the contents of the fuel tank by the ounce and retire on the proceeds. They can't get sperm oil any more, and I've heard there's nothing quite as good. OTOH, how many watch repairmen are left in the world, maybe twice as many as there are typewriter repairmen?
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Save the whales. Collect one of each. On 8/20/05, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Brodbeck wrote: Yeah, but Japanese and Norwegian sailors would always be trying to embed harpoons in your hood. And a watch repairman would steal your car so he could sell the contents of the fuel tank by the ounce and retire on the proceeds. They can't get sperm oil any more, and I've heard there's nothing quite as good. OTOH, how many watch repairmen are left in the world, maybe twice as many as there are typewriter repairmen? ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com http://www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com http://www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Don Teresa Merriman Market Place Mexico Vacation Rentals Property Administration www.marketplacemexico.com http://www.marketplacemexico.com
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Chris, I'd suggest an email to Virginia Tech. LOTS of guys down there (such as my son was) looking for MS projects. On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's a great idea. There is plenty of room for very serious research in this field. trip to UMKC (U of MO @ KC)...chemistry...environmental sciences...engineering... CM --- TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A university lab might do it for free and chalk it up to research. You could even side up with a grad student and convince them it's thesis material... Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that makes sense for forensic work. Wouldn't hurt to phone the KCPD lab and ask if they do outside jobs too. If university labs do it for a little cash, why not the cops? CM ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
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I think bacon grease is pushing the envelope of sanity a bit too much. I seem to remember reading that animal fats were to be avoided at all costs.
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someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to remember reading that animal fats were to be avoided at all costs. OMG, I thought that was a joke. Unrefined animal fat? Through a Bosch plunger injection pump? Not in this lifetime, even strained do death. MAC
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No, I think he is as serious as an injector heart attack (which isn't a bad analogy). On 8/19/05, Steve MacSween OMG, I thought that was a joke. Unrefined animal fat? Through a Bosch plunger injection pump? Not in this lifetime, even strained do death. -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
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Christopher McCann wrote: I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd smelled disgusting. So you put sulphur additive gear oil, likely mixed with water if it's that color, in your fuel? With bacon skillet drippings?
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And this, boys and girls, is why he was smart enough to buy a beater Benz diesel for this project rather than experimenting on his S-Class diesel. On 8/19/05, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd smelled disgusting. So you put sulphur additive gear oil, likely mixed with water if it's that color, in your fuel? With bacon skillet drippings? ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
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You are overlooking the cholestoral issues here. Try cutting it with Lipitor perhaps. On 8/19/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. bacon grease - filtered, simply, but hardly refined. It blends perfectly fine with diesel, so why should it cause a problem in the injection pump? -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
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:-) If I keep these grease posts up, you might use them to get me committed to your institution! Christopher --- LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are overlooking the cholestoral issues here. Try cutting it with Lipitor perhaps. On 8/19/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. bacon grease - filtered, simply, but hardly refined. It blends perfectly fine with diesel, so why should it cause a problem in the injection pump? -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. what is so different about gear lube than other oils - motor, ATF, etc? that makes it so bad. Nothing, inherently, that I am aware of, makes it BAD. Though I have never heard of anyone running gear oil through their diesel fuel system. Also, it obviously has different properties to ATF and oil, otherwise you would not have a situation where some manual gearboxes can be damaged by using it, where engine oil is specified. However, you yourself described how 'used up' it was, in terms of colour and smell. IMNHO, any used lubricant does not even belong in a waste oil recycling stream (I say that advisedly, given the recent dire warnings being given to shops about contaminants in the oil they dump into their recycling tanks), let alone in the fuel supply of an automotive diesel engine. Any more than, for example, used engine oil from the car of some dim bulb who left it in for 50k miles without a change. There is a difference between used oil and garbage, right? 2. bacon grease - filtered, simply, but hardly refined. It blends perfectly fine with diesel, so why should it cause a problem in the injection pump?...it's not like it's corrosive to metal or seals or gets cold in the pump and hardens the arteries..proportion of bacon grease to diesel is probably 1-2%. I can see obvious jelling issues in the winter if the proportion were too high. Well if there's a chemist, or chemical engineer, or lubricants specialist in the house, now would be the time to stop lurking ;-). The Bosch inline diesel injection pump looks from the outside like a robust piece of kit, but on the inside it works as well as it does because it's a precision instrument on the order of a Swiss watch. In particular, it relies upon the lubricating qualities, and general purity, of the diesel that runs through it. The equipment to properly service or rebuild one is expensive and there are very, very few people really qualified to do it and/or who have a solid track record. I have been on Mercedes lists for more than a decade, and I've read countless posts from people qualified to talk about it. To say nothing of what I've heard in conversations with diesel mechanics who have decades of experience on these engines. YMMV, but the day that anything that cooked out of something else in a frying pan goes into my car, filtered, remixed, diluted, or whatever, will be when social conditions have hit the Mad Max level. Now of course you are free to do what you want with the car, it's yours and good luck with your experiments. That is not really my point. HOWEVER, my concern is wider than this issue, and comes up because I almost posted a rant a week ago on another subject. That is, that the vast, vast majority of people who read list content we never hear from or know what they take away and do with the information. On most lists, 5-10 percent of the membership contributes 90 percent of the traffic. Some people only read part of threads, or only join the list for a short time and may not even take away the collected wisdom of an entire thread. So I get uncomfortable when I hear stuff like this being discussed as though it's all harmless weekend shits and giggles, that's all. Much like the thread a week or so ago about welding up a stressed bar (anti-sway bar), then someone posting an anonymous pic of a homemade repair using some metal sleeve. There is a difference between sharing information and propagating questionable or dangerous practices, and it would be good if we all kept that in mind and put prudence before raw enthusiasm. (To say nothing of the fact that some clever legal beagle could probably hold Kaleb responsible for suggestions on this list that result in mishaps.) Ask any shop owner how many cars he has seen towed in, completely FUBAR-ed by someone who's bigmouth BiL or know-it-all neighbour, or whomever, gave him advice about how to work on it, or substitute parts, or whatever, and got him in so deep the car is now a mess. I have friends who run shops, I've seen it. Okay, end of sermon, putting on my Kevlar suit. Mac
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So all the dinosaurs were skinny? Crude oil is lean muscle mass? I'm getting confused again. Ken In a message dated 8/19/2005 1:47:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think bacon grease is pushing the envelope of sanity a bit too much. I seem to remember reading that animal fats were to be avoided at all costs.
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Macs No need for the kevlar from here A correction to the quote below... IIRC the Bosch injection pump does not rely on the lubrication qualities of the fuel. The pumps in our cars use motor oil for lubrication. That's why the reduction of sulfur is not a critical factor in Bosch pumps as it is in rotary injection pumps that use diesel fuel for lubrication. On Aug 19, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Steve MacSween wrote: The Bosch inline diesel injection pump looks from the outside like a robust piece of kit, but on the inside it works as well as it does because it's a precision instrument on the order of a Swiss watch. In particular, it relies upon the lubricating qualities, and general purity, of the diesel that runs through it.
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Mac, Forgot to sign off. Chuck Phoenix, AZ 1980 300SD On Aug 19, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote: Macs No need for the kevlar from here A correction to the quote below... IIRC the Bosch injection pump does not rely on the lubrication qualities of the fuel. The pumps in our cars use motor oil for lubrication. That's why the reduction of sulfur is not a critical factor in Bosch pumps as it is in rotary injection pumps that use diesel fuel for lubrication. On Aug 19, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Steve MacSween wrote: The Bosch inline diesel injection pump looks from the outside like a robust piece of kit, but on the inside it works as well as it does because it's a precision instrument on the order of a Swiss watch. In particular, it relies upon the lubricating qualities, and general purity, of the diesel that runs through it. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC the Bosch injection pump does not rely on the lubrication qualities of the fuel. The pumps in our cars use motor oil for lubrication. That's why the reduction of sulfur is not a critical factor in Bosch pumps as it is in rotary injection pumps that use diesel fuel for lubrication. The first shop that explained the workings of the inline pump to me, said that the actual delivery pistons are lubcricated by the fuel, which makes perfect sense if you look at a cutaway view of the pump. That is why the choice of whether or not to use a fuel additive, and then if you do which additive is chosen, is so critical and sparks so much debate, as any interference with the action of those pistons affects fuel delivery volume and amount (and of course there are seals issues as well, with some lubcricants). This applies to injectors as well, of course, but you can remove/clean/rebuild injectors more easily and cheaply than messing with the pump. Mac
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Dear Steve, No need for the Kevlar suit. I appreciate your comments. 1. First your concern about people taking what is said casually as if it were gospel. I make a point, more than anyone else on this list, of confessing my newbie-ness and general ignorance. I hope nobody reads one of my posts and decides it's perfectly fine to use bacon grease in their car. I already have something of a disclaimer in my signature...the AKP-Wagen is specifically named and translated as Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle. I would NEVER do this with my excellent SD. NEVER. I bought a $500 rust bucket for this. I think I have made that clear in nearly all my posts and have been asked to keep people updated, which I am doing. I respect all the feedback I get BECAUSE people like you are on the list with lots of experience. I myself have read many posts of people adding all sorts of things to their fuel (even Marshall uses motor oil as a tonic, truckers regularly add ATF to their fuel, another man on the list filtered used motor oil and put a quart per tank in his car for decades. Luther is running a 60/40 oil/diesel mix...this all fascinates me and that's why I decided to see what really happens, hence this rust bucket test vehicle. So I am a certified ignoramous, but still had the sense to NOT do this to my nice SD...so if I figured that out, I bet most people can. This is a DISCUSSION group, not an official MB here is the Black Forest engineers exact recommendation on everything list. Although, I will say, that I am all for doing everything MB says on my SD down to gleitungspaste for my sunroof, M1 for my engine, green grease for my bearings and Zerex G-05 for my coolant. We can't limit our discussion to absolute automotive truths becuase there might be an idiot on the list. The example you give from last week is an opportunity for a knowledgeable person like you to say, hey buddy, that's dangerous. 2. never heard of anyone running gear oil through their diesel fuel system. I had never heard of anyone running anything but diesel fuel through their system till I started talking to people. ATF is not motor oil, is not gear lube, is not veggie oil, is not bacon grease. Some are reported to work, maybe some don't. I'm trying to figure that out. 3. difference between used oil and garbage - well, I don't know. It's filtered, it has a relatively low flash point between diesel and veggie oil and it burns. It's not being used as a lubricant anymore, so for fuel purposes, I don't know. 4. I realize that IP's have very tight tolerances, on the level of MICRONS. The fuel does not lubricate it (and even if it did, grease certainly lubricates better), so it's a question of purity and filtering, not what exact oil it is, be it fuel or cooking. 5. the day that anything that cooked out of something else in a frying pan goes into my car, filtered, remixed diluted, or whatever, will be when social conditions have hit the Mad Max level. You may here be speaking of the bacon and not veggie oil, for example. If it's the former, fine, I agree, it's pushing the envelope. If it's the latter, then I wonder what you think, in general, on the use of vegetable oil as a diesel fuel. Perhaps you are more concerned becuase of my single tank approach rather than a double tank one. I don't know. 6. IP repair complexity. It's a 30 year old car. If it gets ruined, replace it with a $100 used one from the PP. 7. propagating questionable practices I'm not propagating anything, I'm testing. Alternative Fuel TEST vehicle...note the change to my signature. well, it seems that your main point was about newbies taking my experiments as SOP. Fine. Agreed. DISCLAIMER: DONT TRY THIS AT HOME, YOU MIGHT KILL YOURSELF OR YOUR CAR. LET CHRIS MCCANN DO IT FIRST AND WE'LL ALL HAVE A GOOD LAUGH AT HIM. okay, a bit of a flame, but if the consensus of the list is that they don't want to hear about my experiments for fear of Kaleb getting sued, I'll quit posting about it. Seriously. Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK. -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van --- Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. what is so different about gear lube than other oils - motor, ATF, etc? that makes it so bad. Nothing, inherently, that I am aware of, makes it BAD. Though I have never heard of anyone running gear oil through their diesel fuel system. Also, it obviously has different properties to ATF and oil, otherwise you would not have a situation where some manual gearboxes can be damaged by using it, where engine oil is specified. However, you yourself described how 'used up' it was, in terms of colour and smell. IMNHO, any used lubricant does not even belong
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Does it smell good when you drive it? From the bacon not the gear lube (that stuff smells foul even when new, burned probably worse). I am extremely concerned however that you might be inadvertantly exposing devout Jews, Muslims, vegans, PETA activists and perhaps some erudite Hollywood actors and washed-up pop singers to vaporous pork products, through inhaled (un)combusted pork by-products, thereby insuring their lives and afterlives will not be remotely happy. How can you live with yourself for this atrocity? Please do not drive the testmobile at Gitmo or AbuGraib or we will have non-stop cable news coverage for the next 6 months, with attendant ACLU rantings and forged-but-accurate reports. I don't think there are any prohibitions against dinosaur product consumption, though there is a museum here in Texas that has proof they walked side-by-side with Man, but the implication is that they were intelligently-designed Christians so I am guessing they did not have any issues with eating them (dominion over beestes and all that) or using them to propel a vehicle. In the fall you might be able to get some moose grease and try that. --R
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Start searching eBay for Mass specttometers and gas chromatagraphs -- Wonder how much it would cost to have this stuff identified with a spectrometer?... Pax, -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL '81 240D '78 450SLC
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Any half decent forensic lab will have a GS/MS that would fit the bill. How you go about getting use of it may require some undesirable steps on your part... :) Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mixed 1 part A-1 sauce (stuff from barrel remanufacturer - mostly motor oil and tranny oil, unused) with 1 part D2...blended perfectly. Then put that mix along with straight d2 in the freezer overnight...both were thicker by morning, but the a-1/d2 mix seemed a little more thicker...but if you measured the CHANGE in viscosity from room temp to freezer temp, the a-1 mix gained less viscosity than the d2 only. I can imagine that if that were extrapolated (with more data points), the a-1 mix would remain liquid at colder temps than d2 alone...sure of it. NOW - the a-1 mix created nothing strange at first, but after taking out of the freezer and letting it warm up a bit, there was a white ring forming next to the glass, which you could swhish around..the white stuff remained visible. I saved a sample, along with the sample of the odd (fat? water?) droplets from my first experiment mixing various dino oils, D2, used and unused veggie oil. Wonder how much it would cost to have this stuff identified with a spectrometer?... Pax, Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I was thinking of calling a forensic lab and asking if they send samples out to be tested. Will try to find a service. CM --- TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any half decent forensic lab will have a GS/MS that would fit the bill. How you go about getting use of it may require some undesirable steps on your part... :) Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mixed 1 part A-1 sauce (stuff from barrel remanufacturer - mostly motor oil and tranny oil, unused) with 1 part D2...blended perfectly. Then put that mix along with straight d2 in the freezer overnight...both were thicker by morning, but the a-1/d2 mix seemed a little more thicker...but if you measured the CHANGE in viscosity from room temp to freezer temp, the a-1 mix gained less viscosity than the d2 only. I can imagine that if that were extrapolated (with more data points), the a-1 mix would remain liquid at colder temps than d2 alone...sure of it. NOW - the a-1 mix created nothing strange at first, but after taking out of the freezer and letting it warm up a bit, there was a white ring forming next to the glass, which you could swhish around..the white stuff remained visible. I saved a sample, along with the sample of the odd (fat? water?) droplets from my first experiment mixing various dino oils, D2, used and unused veggie oil. Wonder how much it would cost to have this stuff identified with a spectrometer?... Pax, Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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LOL - we had one donated to us in High School (I was in the science club) and we could never get it to work...don't really want to go that route. Would rather find a service. gonna google it now. CM --- OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Start searching eBay for Mass specttometers and gas chromatagraphs -- Wonder how much it would cost to have this stuff identified with a spectrometer?... Pax, -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL '81 240D '78 450SLC ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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gas chromatography services - that was easy. http://fp.uni.edu/rrttc/mts/services.asp http://fp.uni.edu/rrttc/mts/GasChromatography.asp http://www.chem.fsu.edu/facilities/fa_sl_bass.asp#services and a bunch of others...wonder what they charge. :-/ Will keep y'all updated. CM --- Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL - we had one donated to us in High School (I was in the science club) and we could never get it to work...don't really want to go that route. Would rather find a service. gonna google it now. CM --- OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Start searching eBay for Mass specttometers and gas chromatagraphs -- Wonder how much it would cost to have this stuff identified with a spectrometer?... Pax, -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL '81 240D '78 450SLC ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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that makes sense for forensic work. Wouldn't hurt to phone the KCPD lab and ask if they do outside jobs too. If university labs do it for a little cash, why not the cops? CM --- TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, a forensic lab will do its work in-house. There's a little thing called continuity or chain-of-custody that prevents outsourcing. Some labs will do civilian work, but at a fee. It might be affordable, might not. Depends on what lab it is, if they'll do it at all. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking of calling a forensic lab and asking if they send samples out to be tested. Will try to find a service. CM ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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A university lab might do it for free and chalk it up to research. You could even side up with a grad student and convince them it's thesis material... Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that makes sense for forensic work. Wouldn't hurt to phone the KCPD lab and ask if they do outside jobs too. If university labs do it for a little cash, why not the cops? CM
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that's a great idea. There is plenty of room for very serious research in this field. trip to UMKC (U of MO @ KC)...chemistry...environmental sciences...engineering... CM --- TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A university lab might do it for free and chalk it up to research. You could even side up with a grad student and convince them it's thesis material... Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that makes sense for forensic work. Wouldn't hurt to phone the KCPD lab and ask if they do outside jobs too. If university labs do it for a little cash, why not the cops? CM ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Go to the Chem department first. That's where you'll find a GC/MS. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's a great idea. There is plenty of room for very serious research in this field. trip to UMKC (U of MO @ KC)...chemistry...environmental sciences...engineering... CM
