Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Kaleb, I think the optical tachometer was $40 or so.  Looks like this is
regular price.

http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=tachomet
er&Submit=Go

-Max 

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
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Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 10:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] idle speed

I did not see that one, how much was it?

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
> Harbor Freight's new sale catalog arrived this past week.  One of the 
> neat toys is an optical hand-held tachometer.  I wonder how useful 
> that would be for measuring / adjusting idle speed?
>
> Rich, did you figure out how to measure RPM via the diagnostic socket 
> yet?
>
> -Max
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 7:23 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: [MBZ] idle speed
>
> This winter my idle speed after a cold start seems to be a little too 
> low.  The whole car shakes at idle on a cold morning.  With just a 
> slight throttle, maybe an additional 50 RPM or so, everything is
normal.
>
> I did replace my motor mounts last fall, could this have altered the 
> idle speed at all, i.e. if the motor is now sitting a little higher on

> the new mounts could the accelerator linkage need some adjustment?
>
> Once the engine has warmed up, the shaking at idle is much reduced.
>
> Allan
> --
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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Allan Streib]

Page 9, top right if it's the same catalog I got today.  $40.

"Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:

> I did not see that one, how much was it?
>
> Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
>> Harbor Freight's new sale catalog arrived this past week.  One of the
>> neat toys is an optical hand-held tachometer.  I wonder how useful
>> that would be for measuring / adjusting idle speed?
>>
>> Rich, did you figure out how to measure RPM via the diagnostic socket
>> yet?
>>
>> -Max

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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

nothing electronic with the 617 turbos.

Dieselhead wrote:
Everything postwar for sure up to 123 OM616 240D and the NA 300D. The 
123 turbos and newer have the electronic gizmos.





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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

on the side of the IP, loosen locknut, turn the screw.

Allan Streib wrote:

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:00 -0800, "Jim Cathey"  wrote:
  

This winter my idle speed after a cold start seems to be a little too
low.  The whole car shakes at idle on a cold morning.  With just a
slight throttle, maybe an additional 50 RPM or so, everything is 
normal.
  

So turn it up a tetch.  That's one handy thing of the
115 diesels, etc., that dash-mount idle speed knob.



So how do I don that on an OM617, exactly?  Where's the idle adjustment?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

well all the earlier diesels, 116 had it also, that was the last.

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

Which US cars besides the 115 and the NA 123 cars had that?  I've
unplugged the idle control device on my '87 and I'd love to back-fit an
idle control knob.

-Max 


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Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] idle speed

  
This winter my idle speed after a cold start seems to be a little too 
low.  The whole car shakes at idle on a cold morning.  With just a 
slight throttle, maybe an additional 50 RPM or so, everything is 
normal.



So turn it up a tetch.  That's one handy thing of the
115 diesels, etc., that dash-mount idle speed knob.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I did not see that one, how much was it?

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

Harbor Freight's new sale catalog arrived this past week.  One of the
neat toys is an optical hand-held tachometer.  I wonder how useful that
would be for measuring / adjusting idle speed?

Rich, did you figure out how to measure RPM via the diagnostic socket
yet?

-Max

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 7:23 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] idle speed

This winter my idle speed after a cold start seems to be a little too
low.  The whole car shakes at idle on a cold morning.  With just a
slight throttle, maybe an additional 50 RPM or so, everything is normal.

I did replace my motor mounts last fall, could this have altered the
idle speed at all, i.e. if the motor is now sitting a little higher on
the new mounts could the accelerator linkage need some adjustment?

Once the engine has warmed up, the shaking at idle is much reduced.

Allan
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1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Yes and the 123 240D's as well-at least the early ones. .

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852
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On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:00 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] idle speed

> This winter my idle speed after a cold start seems to be a little too
> low.  The whole car shakes at idle on a cold morning.  With just a
> slight throttle, maybe an additional 50 RPM or so, everything is 
> normal.

So turn it up a tetch.  That's one handy thing of the
115 diesels, etc., that dash-mount idle speed knob.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Peter Hertzing]

I agree to a point.  We have a programable tstat and set it to drop at night
to 60 degrees from the usual 68.  That has saved us about 20% on our bill in
a decently insulated 50 year old home with new windows.  I certainlyl dont'
think it works to heat the house in the morning - drop it for the day turn
it up for the evening then drop for the ngiht, to many hot cold cycles.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 3:53 PM, R A Bennell  wrote:

> I have read that it takes more energy to raise the temperature than it does
> to maintain it. We are looking at
> adding electric heat to the cottage and mother gripes about the cost of
> electricity. I have talked to her about the
> issue and told her that she will have to leave them alone but I wonder if
> she will be able to restrain herself.
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Allan Streib
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:52 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] idle speed
>
>
>  On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:48 -0600, "R A Bennell"  wrote:
>
> > My mother is funny. She constantly turns the thermostat up and down
> > rather than just leave it alone. In our house, we essentially never
> > touch the thermostat this time of year. We don't have the the fancy
> > programmable one either. We just leave it alone. The temperature stays
> > pretty constant.
>
> I bought a programmable thermostat last fall ('08).  I set it up to
> raise and lower the temperature setting according to our usual
> work/school patterns.  My gas usage increased.  I went back to the
> manual and we only change it if we're going to be away for more
> than a day.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[R A Bennell]

I have read that it takes more energy to raise the temperature than it does to 
maintain it. We are looking at
adding electric heat to the cottage and mother gripes about the cost of 
electricity. I have talked to her about the
issue and told her that she will have to leave them alone but I wonder if she 
will be able to restrain herself.

Randy

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Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] idle speed


On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:48 -0600, "R A Bennell"  wrote:

> My mother is funny. She constantly turns the thermostat up and down
> rather than just leave it alone. In our house, we essentially never
> touch the thermostat this time of year. We don't have the the fancy
> programmable one either. We just leave it alone. The temperature stays
> pretty constant.

I bought a programmable thermostat last fall ('08).  I set it up to
raise and lower the temperature setting according to our usual
work/school patterns.  My gas usage increased.  I went back to the
manual and we only change it if we're going to be away for more
than a day.

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Allan Streib]

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:48 -0600, "R A Bennell"  wrote:

> My mother is funny. She constantly turns the thermostat up and down
> rather than just leave it alone. In our house, we essentially never
> touch the thermostat this time of year. We don't have the the fancy
> programmable one either. We just leave it alone. The temperature stays
> pretty constant.

I bought a programmable thermostat last fall ('08).  I set it up to
raise and lower the temperature setting according to our usual
work/school patterns.  My gas usage increased.  I went back to the
manual and we only change it if we're going to be away for more
than a day.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[R A Bennell]

Probably just an effort to "modernize" like everything else. Manual chokes on 
cars were common until ?? Honda still
had them in about the early 80's. People expect things to progress and for most 
people, not having a choke or an
idle speed control is a sign of progress. They don't want to have to control 
anything. They want automation - even
if they don't know how to use it.

My mother is funny. She constantly turns the thermostat up and down rather than 
just leave it alone. In our house,
we essentially never touch the thermostat this time of year. We don't have the 
the fancy programmable one either.
We just leave it alone. The temperature stays pretty constant. We have noticed 
that the thermostat appears to be
somewhat affected by the dining room light over the table. It has 7 60W bulbs 
in it and I think it produces enough
heat to make the thermostat think the house is warm enough. If we leave the 
light on in the evening then it gets
cool upstairs.

Randy who went off on a tangent here

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Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] idle speed


Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
> Mitch, that's curious that the 300SD had it, with a turbo OM617.  Must
> have been the only application, or did any of the 123 turbo cars have
> it?

I think MBUSA figured out around 1980 that their customers were too stupid to
use it properly, and the S123 turbo didn't come out until 1981. Either that or
it wasn't absolutely necessary on the 1980 big cam engines, so MBUSA dropped it
to save money.

I'd like a dash knob rheostat on the OM60x cars with ELR.

Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Mitch Haley]

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

Mitch, that's curious that the 300SD had it, with a turbo OM617.  Must
have been the only application, or did any of the 123 turbo cars have
it?


I think MBUSA figured out around 1980 that their customers were too stupid to 
use it properly, and the S123 turbo didn't come out until 1981. Either that or 
it wasn't absolutely necessary on the 1980 big cam engines, so MBUSA dropped it 
to save money.


I'd like a dash knob rheostat on the OM60x cars with ELR.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Rich Thomas]

My 79 TD has a knob on the dash for adjusting idle speed, not sure how 
much it adjusts now.


--R

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

Mitch, that's curious that the 300SD had it, with a turbo OM617.  Must
have been the only application, or did any of the 123 turbo cars have
it?

I had an '85 grey market 123.190 (NA) which had it.

-Max 


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] idle speed

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
  
Which US cars besides the 115 and the NA 123 cars had that?  I've 
unplugged the idle control device on my '87 and I'd love to back-fit 
an idle control knob.



The '78 and '79 300SD had it, but I don't think the 1980 did, and I know
the
W126 didn't.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[LWB250]

I had a 79 300TD that had one.

Dan



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 wrote:

> From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 
> 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] idle speed
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 1:11 PM
> Mitch, that's curious that the 300SD
> had it, with a turbo OM617.  Must
> have been the only application, or did any of the 123 turbo
> cars have
> it?
> 
> I had an '85 grey market 123.190 (NA) which had it.
> 
> -Max 
> 
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> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:03 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] idle speed
> 
> Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
> > Which US cars besides the 115 and the NA 123 cars had
> that?  I've 
> > unplugged the idle control device on my '87 and I'd
> love to back-fit 
> > an idle control knob.
> 
> The '78 and '79 300SD had it, but I don't think the 1980
> did, and I know
> the
> W126 didn't.
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Mitch, that's curious that the 300SD had it, with a turbo OM617.  Must
have been the only application, or did any of the 123 turbo cars have
it?

I had an '85 grey market 123.190 (NA) which had it.

-Max 

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Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
> Which US cars besides the 115 and the NA 123 cars had that?  I've 
> unplugged the idle control device on my '87 and I'd love to back-fit 
> an idle control knob.

The '78 and '79 300SD had it, but I don't think the 1980 did, and I know
the
W126 didn't.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Mitch Haley]

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

Which US cars besides the 115 and the NA 123 cars had that?  I've
unplugged the idle control device on my '87 and I'd love to back-fit an
idle control knob.


The '78 and '79 300SD had it, but I don't think the 1980 did, and I know the 
W126 didn't.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Allan Streib]

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:13 -0500, "Dillon, Meade M CIV 
SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310"  wrote:

> Depends on which injection pump you have.  Procedure 07.1-100 shows
> screw stop for MW pump and 5mm set screw with locking nut (at back of
> pump, near top) for M/RSF pump (which I think is what you have).  Same
> procedure also says to check and adjust all the linkages first.  I've
> already deleted the original post, so send me you email address again
> and I'll send you a copy of the procedure.
>
> Even my '87 has this idle speed adjuster.

That would be great, if you have the linkage adjustment procedure I'd
love a copy of that as well.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Depends on which injection pump you have.  Procedure 07.1-100 shows
screw stop for MW pump and 5mm set screw with locking nut (at back of
pump, near top) for M/RSF pump (which I think is what you have).  Same
procedure also says to check and adjust all the linkages first.  I've
already deleted the original post, so send me you email address again
and I'll send you a copy of the procedure.

Even my '87 has this idle speed adjuster.

-Max

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Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] idle speed

> So how do I don that on an OM617, exactly?  Where's the idle 
> adjustment?

I believe it's a screw stop on the throttle lever on the IP.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Dieselhead]

Everything postwar for sure up to 123 OM616 240D and the NA 300D. 
The 123 turbos and newer have the electronic gizmos.




Which US cars besides the 115 and the NA 123 cars had that?


I think all their earlier diesels did, back to 1936 or whatever.
Probably nothing since.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Jim Cathey]

So how do I don that on an OM617, exactly?  Where's the idle 
adjustment?


I believe it's a screw stop on the throttle lever on the IP.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Jim Cathey]

Which US cars besides the 115 and the NA 123 cars had that?


I think all their earlier diesels did, back to 1936 or whatever.
Probably nothing since.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Allan Streib]

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:00 -0800, "Jim Cathey"  wrote:
> > This winter my idle speed after a cold start seems to be a little too
> > low.  The whole car shakes at idle on a cold morning.  With just a
> > slight throttle, maybe an additional 50 RPM or so, everything is 
> > normal.
> 
> So turn it up a tetch.  That's one handy thing of the
> 115 diesels, etc., that dash-mount idle speed knob.

So how do I don that on an OM617, exactly?  Where's the idle adjustment?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Which US cars besides the 115 and the NA 123 cars had that?  I've
unplugged the idle control device on my '87 and I'd love to back-fit an
idle control knob.

-Max 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] idle speed

> This winter my idle speed after a cold start seems to be a little too 
> low.  The whole car shakes at idle on a cold morning.  With just a 
> slight throttle, maybe an additional 50 RPM or so, everything is 
> normal.

So turn it up a tetch.  That's one handy thing of the
115 diesels, etc., that dash-mount idle speed knob.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Jim Cathey]

This winter my idle speed after a cold start seems to be a little too
low.  The whole car shakes at idle on a cold morning.  With just a
slight throttle, maybe an additional 50 RPM or so, everything is 
normal.


So turn it up a tetch.  That's one handy thing of the
115 diesels, etc., that dash-mount idle speed knob.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Rich Thomas]

No it has not been pleasant enough to be outside fooling with cars.  
Maybe when it warms up a bit.  Though the mamabenz seems to still be 
balky even after the new glow stick, I gotta check that out again.  I 
should probably just change them all out.


--R

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

Harbor Freight's new sale catalog arrived this past week.  One of the
neat toys is an optical hand-held tachometer.  I wonder how useful that
would be for measuring / adjusting idle speed?

Rich, did you figure out how to measure RPM via the diagnostic socket
yet?

-Max

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Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 7:23 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] idle speed

This winter my idle speed after a cold start seems to be a little too
low.  The whole car shakes at idle on a cold morning.  With just a
slight throttle, maybe an additional 50 RPM or so, everything is normal.

I did replace my motor mounts last fall, could this have altered the
idle speed at all, i.e. if the motor is now sitting a little higher on
the new mounts could the accelerator linkage need some adjustment?

Once the engine has warmed up, the shaking at idle is much reduced.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Harbor Freight's new sale catalog arrived this past week.  One of the
neat toys is an optical hand-held tachometer.  I wonder how useful that
would be for measuring / adjusting idle speed?

Rich, did you figure out how to measure RPM via the diagnostic socket
yet?

-Max

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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] idle speed

This winter my idle speed after a cold start seems to be a little too
low.  The whole car shakes at idle on a cold morning.  With just a
slight throttle, maybe an additional 50 RPM or so, everything is normal.

I did replace my motor mounts last fall, could this have altered the
idle speed at all, i.e. if the motor is now sitting a little higher on
the new mounts could the accelerator linkage need some adjustment?

Once the engine has warmed up, the shaking at idle is much reduced.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] idle speed

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

You could adjust all the linkages by the factory manual, but I suspect
that you may need to adjust the idle speed on the injection pump.  I
think you need a 5mm box wrench to do the job.

-Max 

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 7:23 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] idle speed

This winter my idle speed after a cold start seems to be a little too
low.  The whole car shakes at idle on a cold morning.  With just a
slight throttle, maybe an additional 50 RPM or so, everything is normal.

I did replace my motor mounts last fall, could this have altered the
idle speed at all, i.e. if the motor is now sitting a little higher on
the new mounts could the accelerator linkage need some adjustment?

Once the engine has warmed up, the shaking at idle is much reduced.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Idle Speed Too Fast

[Loren Faeth]

you sure there is no vacuum leak?  Basically, the IP and governor are 
not serviceable items, except on a multi-tens of thousands of dollars 
IP test stand.


Before you pull the pull and condemn the IP, make sure you have 
eliminated all other possibilities.


I would remove the vacuum line and inspect every m of it, then put it 
back with NEW seals and try it again.  If the steel line is rubbing, 
it can wear through.  It can also rust through, although old diesels 
usually keep the engine compartment well lubricated, so rust is 
generally not an issue on that line.


Is there any other source of oil into the intake?  Excessive 
blowby?  anything that is combustible that can get into the intake is 
used as fuel.



At 10:24 PM 9/21/2009, you wrote:

Loren and Kaleb,
I disconnected all linkages at the IP and intake, and backed out all 
the adjustment screws, and am still unable to reduce the idle 
speed.  It seems to be only controlled by the vacuum line and the 
governor.  There must be a direct control of the governor somewhere, 
I just can't locate it.

Thanks,
Bruce




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Re: [MBZ] Idle Speed Too Fast

[B Dike]

Loren and Kaleb,
I disconnected all linkages at the IP and intake, and backed out all the 
adjustment screws, and am still unable to reduce the idle speed.  It seems to 
be only controlled by the vacuum line and the governor.  There must be a direct 
control of the governor somewhere, I just can't locate it.
Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] Idle Speed Too Fast

[Curt Raymond]

Not to mention the shock things on the manual trans models. On my 240D when the 
shock warmed up it would stick. The pedal would be hard to push and then would 
get stuck at mid throttle...

I had to spend a bunch of time under the hood disconnecting bits and seeing how 
it moved with this or that bit disconnected.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:49:16 -0500
From: Loren Faeth 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Idle Speed Too Fast
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You SURE it is set too fast?
I'd bet a sticky or out of adjustment linkage or dirt/crud under the 
footfeed pedal.
UNhook the linkages, and see how slow it will idle.
There is a whole series adjustments for the swing tube diesel 
linkages including limiting the RPM at top speed.  The OM621 has it 
in detail, and I think the 616 book does too.

I have seen bound up bellcranks on the exhaust side of the engine, 
crud under the pedal.  Rusty pedal hinges frm crud under the pedal, 
bunched up floormats and other stuff all cause stuck throttle//idle too fast.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Idle Speed Too Fast

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

have you loosened the lock nut and turned the adjuster screw on the 
passenger side at the intake?


B Dike wrote:

Hi All,
 
My 74 240D idle speed is too fast.  The idle speed control knob and throttle arms can increase speed but not reduce it because the vacuum-operated governor overrides it.  How do I reduce the idle speed setting on the governor?
 
Thanks,

Bruce


  
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Re: [MBZ] Idle Speed Too Fast

[Peter Frederick]

Check to make sure the vacuum line is in good shape and not full of  
oil, and that the "throttle" valve in the intake is working.  Loss of  
vacuum due to a leaking or broken line will cause the governor to add  
fuel


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Idle Speed Too Fast

[Loren Faeth]

You SURE it is set too fast?
I'd bet a sticky or out of adjustment linkage or dirt/crud under the 
footfeed pedal.

UNhook the linkages, and see how slow it will idle.
There is a whole series adjustments for the swing tube diesel 
linkages including limiting the RPM at top speed.  The OM621 has it 
in detail, and I think the 616 book does too.


I have seen bound up bellcranks on the exhaust side of the engine, 
crud under the pedal.  Rusty pedal hinges frm crud under the pedal, 
bunched up floormats and other stuff all cause stuck throttle//idle too fast.




At 03:18 PM 9/21/2009, you wrote:

Hi All,

My 74 240D idle speed is too fast.  The idle speed control knob and 
throttle arms can increase speed but not reduce it because the 
vacuum-operated governor overrides it.  How do I reduce the idle 
speed setting on the governor?


Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] Idle Speed Control Motor

[Dave Wakin]

I had an 87 420sel that had a high idle. I was able to temporally fix the 
problem by cleaning the idle control valve and lubing it with Mobil 1, but 
that only worked for a few weeks, and I ended up replacing it with a used 
one.


At the time I was having problems I did quite a bit of research on the 
issue, and it seemed that if it was high idle, the idle control valve was at 
fault. Low idle was usually caused by the idle control module, located in 
the passenger footwell.


Another possibility for abnormal idle can be the overload control module, 
which is located by the fuse box under the hood. It has a 10amp fuse that 
can go bad, as well as the entire module. I believe other symptoms of this 
being bad though is the abs light flashing when you first start the car.


This is from memory about 3 years ago, and applied to my 420sel. Your car 
may be different.


Dave Wakin

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Hello,
I have my 1990 300SE back in the shop. It stalls when idling, especially 
after warming up, usually at intersections, etc. The repair shop tells me 
I need an Idle Speed Control Motor ($420) - installed for $510 - and an 
EGR valve. The EGR valve is no problem for me. But the ISCM is a new one 
on me. Is the ISCM different than the Idle Control Valve? Would it make 
sense to get an ISCM from a salvage yard - or should I get a new one? Is 
it something I could do myself?

Thanks,
Les
New Hampshire
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:44:38 -0700
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:05:31 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I usually shift around 3500rpm the pip is like 5500 or so. I could feel
the rev limiter doing its thing and all of a sudden the car coughed and
spit out a big old cloud of black smoke. Wait a tic, is this what
Italian Tuneups are really all about?


Yes, that's what they're really all about.

Even better is to climb a long grade at full throttle at redline.


Craig



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:36:15 -0500
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Subject: [MBZ] inline filter
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Folks,

I'm running mostly WVO in my 82 300TD and i've found that i can wash
the inline filters out with dishwashing detergent and hot
water backwashing them .. and allow them to dry thoroughly
and they are like new

the same can be done with the intank filters

xx rick hawkins
www.javacycles.com
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andrew strasfogel wrote:

I change the inline fuel filter at least 3X yearly due to
clogging, and at
least annually for the main filter, regardless of mileage. Cheap
fixes.


The only time you should need to do that is if you routinely buy
seriously contaminated fuel OR the is debris in the tank that needs
to be cleaned out.

Marshall
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:40:32 -0600
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This was sent to us, I checked the link, and it is correct! I printed it
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Re: [MBZ] Idle Speed Control Motor

[Jim Cathey]

EGR valve is no problem for me. But the ISCM is a new one on me. Is 
the ISCM different than the Idle Control Valve?


No, same thing.  They wear and get sticky, especially since they live
in a rather harsh place.

Would it make sense to get an ISCM from a salvage yard - or should I 
get a new one? Is it something I could do myself?


That's the sort of thing I do.  Works surprisingly often, too.  However
keep in mind that the thing is electrically-controlled, and middle-aged
MB's are notorious for having electrical problems.  I'd want more
assurance that it was not the control path acting up due to bad
connections, etc, before ponying up big bucks for the new motor.
At the very least I'd try going through the connections to this
device first.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Idle Speed Control Motor

[M.Afzaal.Khan]

Les,   remove and  give the ICV  a good cleaning by spraying .
normally the cleaning rectifies the fault.
Its a real  simple job
mak
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Subject: [MBZ] Idle Speed Control Motor



Hello,
I have my 1990 300SE back in the shop. It stalls when idling, especially 
after warming up, usually at intersections, etc. The repair shop tells me 
I need an Idle Speed Control Motor ($420) - installed for $510 - and an 
EGR valve. The EGR valve is no problem for me. But the ISCM is a new one 
on me. Is the ISCM different than the Idle Control Valve? Would it make 
sense to get an ISCM from a salvage yard - or should I get a new one? Is 
it something I could do myself?

Thanks,
Les
New Hampshire
Sleds
1990 300SE
1987 Porsche 944
Toyota Highlander

Farm Tractors
1941 John Deere LA
1952 Ford 8N

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3. [Fwd: 2006 tax return One time tax credit] (Kaleb C. Striplin)
4. Re: E300D no start (Redghost)
5. Mid November CL (Redghost)
6. Re: Mid November CL (Hendrik Riessen)
7. test (Luther)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:44:38 -0700
From: Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:05:31 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
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I usually shift around 3500rpm the pip is like 5500 or so. I could feel
the rev limiter doing its thing and all of a sudden the car coughed and
spit out a big old cloud of black smoke. Wait a tic, is this what
Italian Tuneups are really all about?


Yes, that's what they're really all about.

Even better is to climb a long grade at full throttle at redline.


Craig



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:36:15 -0500
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Subject: [MBZ] inline filter
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Folks,

I'm running mostly WVO in my 82 300TD and i've found that i can wash
the inline filters out with dishwashing detergent and hot
water backwashing them .. and allow them to dry thoroughly
and they are like new

the same can be done with the intank filters

xx rick hawkins
www.javacycles.com
www.javaphoto.com
On Nov 14, 2006, at 8:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



andrew strasfogel wrote:

I change the inline fuel filter at least 3X yearly due to
clogging, and at
least annually for the main filter, regardless of mileage. Cheap
fixes.


The only time you should need to do that is if you routinely buy
seriously contaminated fuel OR the is debris in the tank that needs
to be cleaned out.

Marshall
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:40:32 -0600
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] [Fwd: 2006 tax return One time tax credit]
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Subject: 2006 tax return One time tax credit
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:58:41 -0600
From: J&M Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

This was sent to us, I checked the link, and it is correct! I printed it
and put it in my Tax file. Every penny helps!
Marilyn L


2006 tax return One time tax credit

http://money.CNN.Com/2006/05/25/news/telephonetax_refund/index.htm


A SPECIAL ONE TIME TAX CREDIT ON YOUR 2006 TAX RETURN

When it comes time to prepare and file your 2006 tax return, make sure
you don't overlook the federal excise tax refund credit.

You claim the credit on line 71 of your form 1040. A similar line will
be available if you file the short form 1040A.

If you have family or friends who no longer file a tax return AND they
have their own land phone in their home and have been paying a phone
bill for years, make sure they know about this form 1040EZ-T.

What is this all about? Well the federal excise tax has been charge to
you on your phone bill for years. It is an old tax that was assess

Re: [MBZ] Idle Speed Control Motor

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Buy one from Rusty, would be a heck of alot cheaper.  Takes about 5 
minutes to change it.


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Hello,
I have my 1990 300SE back in the shop. It stalls when idling, especially after 
warming up, usually at intersections, etc. The repair shop tells me I need an 
Idle Speed Control Motor ($420) - installed for $510 - and an EGR valve. The 
EGR valve is no problem for me. But the ISCM is a new one on me. Is the ISCM 
different than the Idle Control Valve? Would it make sense to get an ISCM from 
a salvage yard - or should I get a new one? Is it something I could do myself?
Thanks,
Les
New Hampshire
Sleds
1990 300SE
1987 Porsche 944
Toyota Highlander

Farm Tractors
1941 John Deere LA
1952 Ford 8N

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1. Re: Taking it to the pips (Craig McCluskey)
2. inline filter (Rick Hawkins)
3. [Fwd: 2006 tax return One time tax credit] (Kaleb C. Striplin)
4. Re: E300D no start (Redghost)
5. Mid November CL (Redghost)
6. Re: Mid November CL (Hendrik Riessen)
7. test (Luther)
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:44:38 -0700
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:05:31 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I usually shift around 3500rpm the pip is like 5500 or so. I could feel
the rev limiter doing its thing and all of a sudden the car coughed and
spit out a big old cloud of black smoke. Wait a tic, is this what
Italian Tuneups are really all about?



Yes, that's what they're really all about.

Even better is to climb a long grade at full throttle at redline.


Craig



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:36:15 -0500
From: Rick Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] inline filter
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Folks,

I'm running mostly WVO in my 82 300TD and i've found that i can wash 
the inline filters out with dishwashing detergent and hot 
water backwashing them .. and allow them to dry thoroughly 
and they are like new


the same can be done with the intank filters

xx rick hawkins
www.javacycles.com
www.javaphoto.com
On Nov 14, 2006, at 8:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



andrew strasfogel wrote:

I change the inline fuel filter at least 3X yearly due to 
clogging, and at
least annually for the main filter, regardless of mileage. Cheap 
fixes.


The only time you should need to do that is if you routinely buy 
seriously contaminated fuel OR the is debris in the tank that needs 
to be cleaned out.


Marshall
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:40:32 -0600
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] [Fwd: 2006 tax return One time tax credit]
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 Original Message 
Subject: 2006 tax return One time tax credit
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:58:41 -0600
From: J&M Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

This was sent to us, I checked the link, and it is correct! I printed it
and put it in my Tax file. Every penny helps!
Marilyn L


2006 tax return One time tax credit

http://money.CNN.Com/2006/05/25/news/telephonetax_refund/index.htm


A SPECIAL ONE TIME TAX CREDIT ON YOUR 2006 TAX RETURN

When it comes time to prepare and file your 2006 tax return, make sure
you don't overlook the federal excise tax refund credit.

You claim the credit on line 71 of your form 1040. A similar line will
be available if you file the short form 1040A.

If you have family or friends who no longer file a tax return AND they
have their own land phone in their home and have been paying a phone
bill for years, make sure they know about this form 1040EZ-T.

What is this all about? Well the federal excise tax has been charge to
you on your phone bill for years. It is an old tax that was assessed
on your toll calls based on how far the call was being made and how
much time you talked on that call.

When phone companies began to offer flat fee ph

Re: [MBZ] Idle speed changing

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 10/13/2006 6:01:48 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

My '79  non turbo 300D idle speed sometimes surges for no apparent reason
. It in  fact happenen once when I was watching the engine and there was
nothing to  explain the cause - eg aircon/linkage play/ fan come on  etc
. I can  only think than something in the transmission is causing a load
change on  the engine? Any ideas ??
Peter



Maybe a dollop of blowby oil is collecting in your intake and when it gets  
big enough it rolls on into one or more combustion chambers.  same with the  
vacuum pump. a cracked diaphragm could be feeding oil to the intake.
 
Regards,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 263 K miles 
98 ML 320, 146 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] Idle Speed 91 W124

[LarryT]

Thanks Marshall -
   I guess in the absence of the special electronic devices I will warm the 
engine to operating temp (~80C),  turn on the ancilliary equipment - then 
adjust the idle to a smooth speed without going too high.  I'm sure I can do 
this by ear without a problem --


   Thanks again for the link to the instructions - I have the manual on CD 
but I'm a little slow finding the section I need -


Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs

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Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Idle Speed 91 W124



LarryT wrote:

Howdy -
Somewhere, but I can't recall exactly *where* (perhaps S Ritters Bible?) 
I
read that there's something in the engine compartment that controls the 
idle

speed of my '91 300D 2.5T - or perhaps my memory is wrong and it doesn't
apply to the middle year W124's?

I'd like to bump up my idle speed slightly - maybe 50 to 100 rpm - so it
idles a little smoother with the AC on - but need to know how to go about
changing it.  I'm a little gun-shy about changing stuff on this W124 - 
even
though I thought I was getting the simplicity of a diesel, I ended up 
with

an very complex machine - with the computer interfaces on this car some
things cannot be done like they were on my 240D -


http://mb.braingears.com/124_DISC1/Program/Engine/602_603/07.1-2053.pdf

page 4 illustrates the only adjustment available for your engine.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Idle Speed 91 W124

[Marshall Booth]

LarryT wrote:

Howdy -
Somewhere, but I can't recall exactly *where* (perhaps S Ritters Bible?) I 
read that there's something in the engine compartment that controls the idle 
speed of my '91 300D 2.5T - or perhaps my memory is wrong and it doesn't 
apply to the middle year W124's?


I'd like to bump up my idle speed slightly - maybe 50 to 100 rpm - so it 
idles a little smoother with the AC on - but need to know how to go about 
changing it.  I'm a little gun-shy about changing stuff on this W124 - even 
though I thought I was getting the simplicity of a diesel, I ended up with 
an very complex machine - with the computer interfaces on this car some 
things cannot be done like they were on my 240D -


http://mb.braingears.com/124_DISC1/Program/Engine/602_603/07.1-2053.pdf

page 4 illustrates the only adjustment available for your engine.

Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] idle speed to low?

[redghost]

Hans,

I just went through a GP ordeal with my e300d and found that the intake 
gets all caked up with soot.  The stuff was about an inch thick all 
around restricting air by almost half.  Remove the intake and have it 
cleaned out.  Maybe soak it and use a soft brush to allow more air to 
the engine.  Idle is 600 and fairly smooth.


On Saturday, February 25, 2006, at 09:01 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote:

My E300D idles at ~600 RPM and this seems a little low. Annoying 
vibration

that smoothens out at ~700 RPM, but I can't get there.
What is the normal RPM ? I understand there is something but don't know
where that changes the idle speed when unplugged.
I am a total idiot when it comes to the 124's.
Thanks for any pointers.
--
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'82 300SD, '95 E300D
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Re: [MBZ] idle speed to low?

[Marshall Booth]

Hans Neureiter wrote:

My E300D idles at ~600 RPM and this seems a little low. Annoying vibration
that smoothens out at ~700 RPM, but I can't get there.
What is the normal RPM ? I understand there is something but don't know
where that changes the idle speed when unplugged.
I am a total idiot when it comes to the 124's.


The adjustment of idle for the OM606.91 engine is NOT clearly outlined 
in the manual. The most usual failure is of the electric idle actuator 
and or it's circuitry. This can result from the overvoltage relay fuse 
blowing (other things go out as well) or the relay contacts being 
intermittent, but more usually from the connections to the idle speed 
actuator or less often the actuator itself failing.


It's poorly covered in section 7.1-2053 of the engine manual

http://mb.braingears.com/124_DISC1/Program/Engine/605_606/07.1-2005.pdf
http://mb.braingears.com/124_DISC1/Program/Engine/605_606/07.1-2053.pdf

Basically, if you disconnect the idle actuator the engine speed (engine 
warmed up) should be adjusted to about 570-590 rpm and then when the 
actuator is plugged back in, the engine speed should increase to about 
620-650 rpm. If the engine isn't smooth at 620-650, then something else 
is wrong - maybe bad motor mounts or maybe one or more injectors has 
coked up or has worn.


Marshall
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