Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
Hmmm... given the current high price of diesel fuel, I wonder what veggie
oil in bulk is selling for at Costco??
Will have to check it out next time I'm there -
;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
Johnny - I appreciate that information. I ran too low once while in a
hurry
to make a dental appointment. I parked my sputtering car in front of a
grocery and almost went the veggie oil route, but there was a diesel
station
just one block away so I got fuel there. I might keep a gal of veggie oil
in the trunk just in case. My low fuel light, which comes on with initial
key turn, has never come on - even at 500+ miles on a tank. I am guessing
it could be a gunk in the tank problem as EM sat neglected - even with
the
weather stripping out - for about 9 months prior to my son rescuing it.
BillR
Jacksonville FL
1981 300SD 'EM' 273k miles
-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] my 190D
On Apr 3, 2006, at 7:37 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
Yeah its a 2.2l 5spd. I was a bit ahead of myself saying 40mpg, it
was more like 38.
-Curt
A slight miscalculation just like this caused my car to sputter.
Luckily I was in front of the only supermarket in our town. I went in and
bought 2- 1/2gals of veggie oil and poured it in the tank (~$7, much
cheaper than a tow or roadside assistance). I then immediately drove the
20+
miles to the nearest diesel pump and filled up.
I must say that the engine quieted down, was smoother and the
exhaust smelled nothing like it had before. Even after the tank was full
of
#2 some of these benefits (quiet and smooth) were still evident.
I've had varying experiences when running out of fuel with different
cars. One 190D would just stop running with no prior symptoms other than
the
low fuel light, which lit for mere seconds. One of our coupes would feel
as
if you were running into gusts of wind, then eventually slow way down and
barely move for quite a few miles with the pedal to the floor. With my
most
used 300TD the light would light and it would allow me to drive close to
30
mi before it sputtered, then within 1-2 mi it would cease to run dropping
cylinders until it shut down.
I intentionally run them out on occasion to facilitate cleaning/
changing the in-tank screen or if I need to change a fuel line by the
tank.
Its good to detect this behavior prior to making decisions when low on
fuel.
Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
About the same or maybe a little less than diesel.
Just be ready to do some engine work in about 15K miles if you don't
plan on doing any sort of heating of the oil... (from what I've heard)
Levi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmmm... given the current high price of diesel fuel, I wonder what veggie
oil in bulk is selling for at Costco??
Will have to check it out next time I'm there -
;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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- Original Message -
From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
Johnny - I appreciate that information. I ran too low once while in a
hurry
to make a dental appointment. I parked my sputtering car in front of a
grocery and almost went the veggie oil route, but there was a diesel
station
just one block away so I got fuel there. I might keep a gal of veggie oil
in the trunk just in case. My low fuel light, which comes on with initial
key turn, has never come on - even at 500+ miles on a tank. I am guessing
it could be a gunk in the tank problem as EM sat neglected - even with
the
weather stripping out - for about 9 months prior to my son rescuing it.
BillR
Jacksonville FL
1981 300SD 'EM' 273k miles
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of John Berryman
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:47 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] my 190D
On Apr 3, 2006, at 7:37 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
Yeah its a 2.2l 5spd. I was a bit ahead of myself saying 40mpg, it
was more like 38.
-Curt
A slight miscalculation just like this caused my car to sputter.
Luckily I was in front of the only supermarket in our town. I went in and
bought 2- 1/2gals of veggie oil and poured it in the tank (~$7, much
cheaper than a tow or roadside assistance). I then immediately drove the
20+
miles to the nearest diesel pump and filled up.
I must say that the engine quieted down, was smoother and the
exhaust smelled nothing like it had before. Even after the tank was full
of
#2 some of these benefits (quiet and smooth) were still evident.
I've had varying experiences when running out of fuel with different
cars. One 190D would just stop running with no prior symptoms other than
the
low fuel light, which lit for mere seconds. One of our coupes would feel
as
if you were running into gusts of wind, then eventually slow way down and
barely move for quite a few miles with the pedal to the floor. With my
most
used 300TD the light would light and it would allow me to drive close to
30
mi before it sputtered, then within 1-2 mi it would cease to run dropping
cylinders until it shut down.
I intentionally run them out on occasion to facilitate cleaning/
changing the in-tank screen or if I need to change a fuel line by the
tank.
Its good to detect this behavior prior to making decisions when low on
fuel.
Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
Thanks Levi - good to know. Of course, the windshield washer reservoir is
heated - a used one would have the makings of an excellent preheater. ;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
About the same or maybe a little less than diesel.
Just be ready to do some engine work in about 15K miles if you don't
plan on doing any sort of heating of the oil... (from what I've heard)
Levi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmmm... given the current high price of diesel fuel, I wonder what veggie
oil in bulk is selling for at Costco??
Will have to check it out next time I'm there -
;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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- Original Message -
From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
Johnny - I appreciate that information. I ran too low once while in a
hurry
to make a dental appointment. I parked my sputtering car in front of a
grocery and almost went the veggie oil route, but there was a diesel
station
just one block away so I got fuel there. I might keep a gal of veggie
oil
in the trunk just in case. My low fuel light, which comes on with
initial
key turn, has never come on - even at 500+ miles on a tank. I am
guessing
it could be a gunk in the tank problem as EM sat neglected - even with
the
weather stripping out - for about 9 months prior to my son rescuing it.
BillR
Jacksonville FL
1981 300SD 'EM' 273k miles
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of John Berryman
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:47 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] my 190D
On Apr 3, 2006, at 7:37 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
Yeah its a 2.2l 5spd. I was a bit ahead of myself saying 40mpg, it
was more like 38.
-Curt
A slight miscalculation just like this caused my car to sputter.
Luckily I was in front of the only supermarket in our town. I went in and
bought 2- 1/2gals of veggie oil and poured it in the tank (~$7, much
cheaper than a tow or roadside assistance). I then immediately drove the
20+
miles to the nearest diesel pump and filled up.
I must say that the engine quieted down, was smoother and the
exhaust smelled nothing like it had before. Even after the tank was full
of
#2 some of these benefits (quiet and smooth) were still evident.
I've had varying experiences when running out of fuel with different
cars. One 190D would just stop running with no prior symptoms other than
the
low fuel light, which lit for mere seconds. One of our coupes would feel
as
if you were running into gusts of wind, then eventually slow way down and
barely move for quite a few miles with the pedal to the floor. With my
most
used 300TD the light would light and it would allow me to drive close to
30
mi before it sputtered, then within 1-2 mi it would cease to run dropping
cylinders until it shut down.
I intentionally run them out on occasion to facilitate cleaning/
changing the in-tank screen or if I need to change a fuel line by the
tank.
Its good to detect this behavior prior to making decisions when low on
fuel.
Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
BZZZT wrongwhat work will you need to do in 15k?? The car will runb fine on veggie oil like that. The OM603 has a fuel heater built in. If you'd like to point us to actual FACTS that would be appreciated! Go ahead and throw it in! You'll like it! Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD
Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
About $2.90/gallon (includes taxes) at our local Costco. It made sense for a
while, but not right now.
CM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm... given the current high price of diesel fuel,
I wonder what veggie
oil in bulk is selling for at Costco??
Will have to check it out next time I'm there -
;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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- Original Message -
From: BillR
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
Johnny - I appreciate that information. I ran too low once while in a
hurry
to make a dental appointment. I parked my sputtering car in front of a
grocery and almost went the veggie oil route, but there was a diesel
station
just one block away so I got fuel there. I might keep a gal of veggie oil
in the trunk just in case. My low fuel light, which comes on with initial
key turn, has never come on - even at 500+ miles on a tank. I am guessing
it could be a gunk in the tank problem as EM sat neglected - even with
the
weather stripping out - for about 9 months prior to my son rescuing it.
BillR
Jacksonville FL
1981 300SD 'EM' 273k miles
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Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] my 190D
On Apr 3, 2006, at 7:37 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
Yeah its a 2.2l 5spd. I was a bit ahead of myself saying 40mpg, it
was more like 38.
-Curt
A slight miscalculation just like this caused my car to sputter.
Luckily I was in front of the only supermarket in our town. I went in and
bought 2- 1/2gals of veggie oil and poured it in the tank (~$7, much
cheaper than a tow or roadside assistance). I then immediately drove the
20+
miles to the nearest diesel pump and filled up.
I must say that the engine quieted down, was smoother and the
exhaust smelled nothing like it had before. Even after the tank was full
of
#2 some of these benefits (quiet and smooth) were still evident.
I've had varying experiences when running out of fuel with different
cars. One 190D would just stop running with no prior symptoms other than
the
low fuel light, which lit for mere seconds. One of our coupes would feel
as
if you were running into gusts of wind, then eventually slow way down and
barely move for quite a few miles with the pedal to the floor. With my
most
used 300TD the light would light and it would allow me to drive close to
30
mi before it sputtered, then within 1-2 mi it would cease to run dropping
cylinders until it shut down.
I intentionally run them out on occasion to facilitate cleaning/
changing the in-tank screen or if I need to change a fuel line by the
tank.
Its good to detect this behavior prior to making decisions when low on
fuel.
Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
I didn't realize at first that this was a 91' However, I still wouldn't have guessed that the fuel was being heated. Though I doubt even if it is being heated that it will be to about 180F? If it's heated Somewhat you might get away with it on the Benz. I'm simply referring to posts I've seen on other forums from some guy who swore up and down that the old Benz (like 80-85 300D's) didn't need any heating. He was in Florida, so everything was pretty warm. Well, about 15K miles later he was pissed off cause he had major coking problems and it messed up the rings. Or at least that's more or less what I *think* I read. Feel free to try it yourself and prove me wrong, I'd LOVE to not have to worry about it! (: If you can point me to anyone who has more than say 20K miles and is running STRAIGHT 100% veggie with NO HEATING whatsoever, I'd LOVE to read it! Levi (: Jeff Zedic wrote: BZZZT wrongwhat work will you need to do in 15k?? The car will runb fine on veggie oil like that. The OM603 has a fuel heater built in. If you'd like to point us to actual FACTS that would be appreciated! Go ahead and throw it in! You'll like it! Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
I'll agree with that. Blends (i.e. NOT 100% veggie) are much more likely to not have any issues long-term. That said, I've still heard that it's a bit iffy and if anyone has real long-term data from it. Still, I use a greasecar kit so I start and stop on diesel and only run veg when heated. That said, I would be fairly likely to try a 50% blend for a while. Whereas I would not run 100% veg(unheated) any farther than I had to. Levi (: 83' 300D Christopher McCann wrote: If the mix is not too rich with oil and you run some BioD every once and a while to clean out the gumming (or Diesel Purge), I don't THINK there should be any problem. Chris Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BZZZT wrongwhat work will you need to do in 15k?? The car will runb fine on veggie oil like that. The OM603 has a fuel heater built in. If you'd like to point us to actual FACTS that would be appreciated! Go ahead and throw it in! You'll like it! Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1cent;/min. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
There's a guy in Wales UK that has been running 100% veggie for years with no probs. In some places in Germany you will have great difficulty finding oil as it's much cheaper than diesel. You may be confusing this with BioD issues with hoses perhaps? Keep in mind that a lot of people are diddling with stuff they no nothing about and are possibly causing their own problems. Maybe he was advised to do the old trucker thing of regularly adding ATF to his tank. That'll coke you up. Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD
Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
This guy doesn't have any sort of injector heaters or anything? If so, that's great. Most anyone I've heard of in other countries are at least using some sort of heat at or near the injector pump. The Mercedes are about the best there are from what I've heard, but that cold oil on cold engines tends to build up from everything I've heard. I forget which list it was on, but someone had official test results from a while ago that pretty much showed that vegoil killed every engine they ran it in, just in varying lengths of time depending on the engine. However, they weren't heating it at all. I haven't heard of ATF coking you up though. I've heard that actually CLEANS things out, not vice-versa... Levi Jeff Zedic wrote: There's a guy in Wales UK that has been running 100% veggie for years with no probs. In some places in Germany you will have great difficulty finding oil as it's much cheaper than diesel. You may be confusing this with BioD issues with hoses perhaps? Keep in mind that a lot of people are diddling with stuff they no nothing about and are possibly causing their own problems. Maybe he was advised to do the old trucker thing of regularly adding ATF to his tank. That'll coke you up. Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
The biggest problem with straight veggie oil without heat in cold weather is that it is so thick the injector pump can't pump it through the injectors. We all know liquids don't compress so something has to give. Usually it is the drive gear or shaft on the injector pump. MBZ engines use very robust injector pumps comared to the VW's and other so they tend to hold up much better. That said, I have run several thousand miles on a 75%VO to25% diesel blend in the 240D that I recently sold(I belive it is still going...Mac?) with no adverse reactions at all. The worst thing is that it takes you forever to get anywhere because everywhere you go there are people that just need to know why the exhaust on your car smells so good. Mike - Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel This guy doesn't have any sort of injector heaters or anything? If so, that's great. Most anyone I've heard of in other countries are at least using some sort of heat at or near the injector pump. The Mercedes are about the best there are from what I've heard, but that cold oil on cold engines tends to build up from everything I've heard. I forget which list it was on, but someone had official test results from a while ago that pretty much showed that vegoil killed every engine they ran it in, just in varying lengths of time depending on the engine. However, they weren't heating it at all. I haven't heard of ATF coking you up though. I've heard that actually CLEANS things out, not vice-versa... Levi Jeff Zedic wrote: There's a guy in Wales UK that has been running 100% veggie for years with no probs. In some places in Germany you will have great difficulty finding oil as it's much cheaper than diesel. You may be confusing this with BioD issues with hoses perhaps? Keep in mind that a lot of people are diddling with stuff they no nothing about and are possibly causing their own problems. Maybe he was advised to do the old trucker thing of regularly adding ATF to his tank. That'll coke you up. Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
. I know that's an issue with burning motor oil (except for ashless 2-cycle oil.) [...] Content analysis details: (-4.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description -- -- -3.3 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] 1.2 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:25:46 - Levi Smith wrote: I haven't heard of ATF coking you up though. I've heard that actually CLEANS things out, not vice-versa... I think the problem with ATF is potential ash buildup. I know that's an issue with burning motor oil (except for ashless 2-cycle oil.) David Brodbeck '83 300D Turbo
Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
Levi Smith wrote: This guy doesn't have any sort of injector heaters or anything? If so, that's great. Most anyone I've heard of in other countries are at least using some sort of heat at or near the injector pump. The Mercedes are about the best there are from what I've heard, but that cold oil on cold engines tends to build up from everything I've heard. I forget which list it was on, but someone had official test results from a while ago that pretty much showed that vegoil killed every engine they ran it in, just in varying lengths of time depending on the engine. However, they weren't heating it at all. I haven't heard of ATF coking you up though. I've heard that actually CLEANS things out, not vice-versa... You need to do a little more research! Mercedes has issued a TSB forbidding the use of ATF as a fuel additive. They tested it extensively and forbade it's use because it causes injector coking! Used briefly, it may do some other good (it increases combustion temperature and is an excellent fuel system solvent) and then normal operation on untreated fuel will usually disperse the minor coking one application is likely to cause. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
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I started running WVO using a single tank Elsbett kit on my S350 at 150k miles. At 180k I replaced the head gasket and a bent rod. Things were a little dirty inside, but nothing major. No where near coking up the rings or anything like that. I don't quite fit your profile because I only run 100% WVO during the summer ( 45F), I thin with kerosene during the winter, and the oil is heated before it hits the injector pump. I switched to 100% last week. This morning the car started a little rough at 35F and took a few minutes to smooth out. I should have plugged it in overnight. Overall, my results have been good thus far, however I would not recommend this for everyone. -Dave Walton 94S350, 99E300 On 4/4/06, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't realize at first that this was a 91' However, I still wouldn't have guessed that the fuel was being heated. Though I doubt even if it is being heated that it will be to about 180F? If it's heated Somewhat you might get away with it on the Benz. I'm simply referring to posts I've seen on other forums from some guy who swore up and down that the old Benz (like 80-85 300D's) didn't need any heating. He was in Florida, so everything was pretty warm. Well, about 15K miles later he was pissed off cause he had major coking problems and it messed up the rings. Or at least that's more or less what I *think* I read. Feel free to try it yourself and prove me wrong, I'd LOVE to not have to worry about it! (: If you can point me to anyone who has more than say 20K miles and is running STRAIGHT 100% veggie with NO HEATING whatsoever, I'd LOVE to read it! Levi (: Jeff Zedic wrote: BZZZT wrongwhat work will you need to do in 15k?? The car will runb fine on veggie oil like that. The OM603 has a fuel heater built in. If you'd like to point us to actual FACTS that would be appreciated! Go ahead and throw it in! You'll like it! Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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That's probably why I've never heard it, most any time I've heard it mentioned was just as you stated, a once in a while to clean things up. Generally I just fill my new fuel filter up before with ATF before putting it back on. Though I've heard maybe one or two people talk of running on used ATF, and now if I ever have that opportunity I may rethink it... (: Thanks! Levi (: Marshall Booth wrote: Levi Smith wrote: This guy doesn't have any sort of injector heaters or anything? If so, that's great. Most anyone I've heard of in other countries are at least using some sort of heat at or near the injector pump. The Mercedes are about the best there are from what I've heard, but that cold oil on cold engines tends to build up from everything I've heard. I forget which list it was on, but someone had official test results from a while ago that pretty much showed that vegoil killed every engine they ran it in, just in varying lengths of time depending on the engine. However, they weren't heating it at all. I haven't heard of ATF coking you up though. I've heard that actually CLEANS things out, not vice-versa... You need to do a little more research! Mercedes has issued a TSB forbidding the use of ATF as a fuel additive. They tested it extensively and forbade it's use because it causes injector coking! Used briefly, it may do some other good (it increases combustion temperature and is an excellent fuel system solvent) and then normal operation on untreated fuel will usually disperse the minor coking one application is likely to cause. Marshall
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Exactly, you're doing heating. You may not be heating the tank, but you are at least getting that veg warm before it's injected into your engine. I've heard of a fair amount of people saying that the single tank elsbett works well. That said, there is the obvious problem as has been stated of it simply being too cold for vegoil to flow period. I.e. you certainly aren't going to be using partially hydrogenated oil at anywhere near freezing... (without a system to heat it before running on it) Since it is entirely solid by then. Levi (: dave walton wrote: I started running WVO using a single tank Elsbett kit on my S350 at 150k miles. At 180k I replaced the head gasket and a bent rod. Things were a little dirty inside, but nothing major. No where near coking up the rings or anything like that. I don't quite fit your profile because I only run 100% WVO during the summer ( 45F), I thin with kerosene during the winter, and the oil is heated before it hits the injector pump. I switched to 100% last week. This morning the car started a little rough at 35F and took a few minutes to smooth out. I should have plugged it in overnight. Overall, my results have been good thus far, however I would not recommend this for everyone. -Dave Walton 94S350, 99E300 On 4/4/06, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't realize at first that this was a 91' However, I still wouldn't have guessed that the fuel was being heated. Though I doubt even if it is being heated that it will be to about 180F? If it's heated Somewhat you might get away with it on the Benz. I'm simply referring to posts I've seen on other forums from some guy who swore up and down that the old Benz (like 80-85 300D's) didn't need any heating. He was in Florida, so everything was pretty warm. Well, about 15K miles later he was pissed off cause he had major coking problems and it messed up the rings. Or at least that's more or less what I *think* I read. Feel free to try it yourself and prove me wrong, I'd LOVE to not have to worry about it! (: If you can point me to anyone who has more than say 20K miles and is running STRAIGHT 100% veggie with NO HEATING whatsoever, I'd LOVE to read it! Levi (: Jeff Zedic wrote: BZZZT wrongwhat work will you need to do in 15k?? The car will runb fine on veggie oil like that. The OM603 has a fuel heater built in. If you'd like to point us to actual FACTS that would be appreciated! Go ahead and throw it in! You'll like it! Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I ran the 240D on a mix of alot of things, including filtered used ATF (in a mix, not heated, in the summer), but not long enough to conclude anything. Chris Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's probably why I've never heard it, most any time I've heard it mentioned was just as you stated, a once in a while to clean things up. Generally I just fill my new fuel filter up before with ATF before putting it back on. Though I've heard maybe one or two people talk of running on used ATF, and now if I ever have that opportunity I may rethink it... (: Thanks! Levi (: Marshall Booth wrote: Levi Smith wrote: This guy doesn't have any sort of injector heaters or anything? If so, that's great. Most anyone I've heard of in other countries are at least using some sort of heat at or near the injector pump. The Mercedes are about the best there are from what I've heard, but that cold oil on cold engines tends to build up from everything I've heard. I forget which list it was on, but someone had official test results from a while ago that pretty much showed that vegoil killed every engine they ran it in, just in varying lengths of time depending on the engine. However, they weren't heating it at all. I haven't heard of ATF coking you up though. I've heard that actually CLEANS things out, not vice-versa... You need to do a little more research! Mercedes has issued a TSB forbidding the use of ATF as a fuel additive. They tested it extensively and forbade it's use because it causes injector coking! Used briefly, it may do some other good (it increases combustion temperature and is an excellent fuel system solvent) and then normal operation on untreated fuel will usually disperse the minor coking one application is likely to cause. Marshall ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1cent;/min. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Apr 04 17:58:15 2006 Received: from nproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.182.188]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FQpnC-0005M8-3H for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:58:14 + Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g2so1396540nfe for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:58:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tXXoJfsNdXlcRktjrX3r6j6wBB9kadWL/d0OncoyqmedueKU81bwsAxNLTWqdw8CER8N9TNRvAL48dkKtOyylPHdvS/Dn3Qzf7RiRuczEscDe1dys610qAFLIL1yorZvarH8mhIp9D8BOen+CkVEn6mGfJF7ha08yuNI1/q9OEk= Received: by 10.49.10.19 with SMTP id n19mr634472nfi; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.242.14 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:58:11 -0400 From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:58:15 - I really like Canola oil. In Europe they call it Rapeseed oil. I get it fro= m a local vegetarian restaurant that uses it to cook falafel. When I go to suck it out of their dumpster, it still flows even when it is below freezin= g outside. -Dave Walton 94S350, 99E300 On 4/4/06, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly
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located? What size is it? THANKS! Chris dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started running WVO using a single tank Elsbett kit on my S350 at 150k miles. At 180k I replaced the head gasket and a bent rod. Things were a little dirty inside, but nothing major. No where near coking up the rings or anything like that. I don't quite fit your profile because I only run 100% WVO during the summer ( 45F), I thin with kerosene during the winter, and the oil is heated before it hits the injector pump. I switched to 100% last week. This morning the car started a little rough at 35F and took a few minutes to smooth out. I should have plugged it in overnight. Overall, my results have been good thus far, however I would not recommend this for everyone. -Dave Walton 94S350, 99E300 On 4/4/06, Levi Smith wrote: I didn't realize at first that this was a 91' However, I still wouldn't have guessed that the fuel was being heated. Though I doubt even if it is being heated that it will be to about 180F? If it's heated Somewhat you might get away with it on the Benz. I'm simply referring to posts I've seen on other forums from some guy who swore up and down that the old Benz (like 80-85 300D's) didn't need any heating. He was in Florida, so everything was pretty warm. Well, about 15K miles later he was pissed off cause he had major coking problems and it messed up the rings. Or at least that's more or less what I *think* I read. Feel free to try it yourself and prove me wrong, I'd LOVE to not have to worry about it! (: If you can point me to anyone who has more than say 20K miles and is running STRAIGHT 100% veggie with NO HEATING whatsoever, I'd LOVE to read it! Levi (: Jeff Zedic wrote: BZZZT wrongwhat work will you need to do in 15k?? The car will runb fine on veggie oil like that. The OM603 has a fuel heater built in. If you'd like to point us to actual FACTS that would be appreciated! Go ahead and throw it in! You'll like it! Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Apr 04 20:53:58 2006 Received: from fed1rmmtao09.cox.net ([68.230.241.30]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FQsXG-0005Tc-NU for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:53:58 + Received: from barcode ([72.197.61.80]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:53:54 -0400 From: Gerald R. Flintrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:53:52 -0700 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Importance: Normal X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:53:59 - Here
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Huh. Midtown KCMO Costco is about $2.90/gallon and D2 is about $2.599, last
time I tanked up.
Chris
Gerald R. Flintrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here at the Oceanside, CA
Costco, soybean oil goes for $12.50 for 35lbs
(4.65 gallons). That's $2.69 per gallon. It runs just great in 300SDs and a
95 E300D. Very quiet, smooth and no pblms starting (so far).
Today, #2 was $2.76/gallon at the local Mohsen station, and $3.06 nearer the
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Hmmm... given the current high price of diesel fuel, I wonder what veggie
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Let me get this straight: I can run pure veggie oil in lieu of diesel when
the weather is warm here in D.C. with no adverse consequences??
1983 300TD
On 4/4/06, Gerald R. Flintrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here at the Oceanside, CA Costco, soybean oil goes for $12.50 for 35lbs
(4.65 gallons). That's $2.69 per gallon. It runs just great in 300SDs and
a
95 E300D. Very quiet, smooth and no pblms starting (so far).
Today, #2 was $2.76/gallon at the local Mohsen station, and $3.06 nearer
the
I-5.
Jerry
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Hmmm... given the current high price of diesel fuel, I wonder what veggie
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Will have to check it out next time I'm there -
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Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
YES AND NO. Yes, for a while. No, not for long. At the very minimum it needs
to be diluted with D2 or K1 to lower viscosity. THere is not alot of info on
running a mix, so nobody knows the long term effects. You are FAR better off
buying a VO kit. I would not do it any other way.
Chris
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me get this straight: I can
run pure veggie oil in lieu of diesel when
the weather is warm here in D.C. with no adverse consequences??
1983 300TD
On 4/4/06, Gerald R. Flintrop wrote:
Here at the Oceanside, CA Costco, soybean oil goes for $12.50 for 35lbs
(4.65 gallons). That's $2.69 per gallon. It runs just great in 300SDs and
a
95 E300D. Very quiet, smooth and no pblms starting (so far).
Today, #2 was $2.76/gallon at the local Mohsen station, and $3.06 nearer
the
I-5.
Jerry
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Hmmm... given the current high price of diesel fuel, I wonder what veggie
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Subject: [MBZ] VIN JF1SG65636G734626
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Can someone do a Carfax on this VIN?
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Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel
Johnny - I appreciate that information. I ran too low once while in a hurry to make a dental appointment. I parked my sputtering car in front of a grocery and almost went the veggie oil route, but there was a diesel station just one block away so I got fuel there. I might keep a gal of veggie oil in the trunk just in case. My low fuel light, which comes on with initial key turn, has never come on - even at 500+ miles on a tank. I am guessing it could be a gunk in the tank problem as EM sat neglected - even with the weather stripping out - for about 9 months prior to my son rescuing it. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 'EM' 273k miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Berryman Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] my 190D On Apr 3, 2006, at 7:37 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Yeah its a 2.2l 5spd. I was a bit ahead of myself saying 40mpg, it was more like 38. -Curt A slight miscalculation just like this caused my car to sputter. Luckily I was in front of the only supermarket in our town. I went in and bought 2- 1/2gals of veggie oil and poured it in the tank (~$7, much cheaper than a tow or roadside assistance). I then immediately drove the 20+ miles to the nearest diesel pump and filled up. I must say that the engine quieted down, was smoother and the exhaust smelled nothing like it had before. Even after the tank was full of #2 some of these benefits (quiet and smooth) were still evident. I've had varying experiences when running out of fuel with different cars. One 190D would just stop running with no prior symptoms other than the low fuel light, which lit for mere seconds. One of our coupes would feel as if you were running into gusts of wind, then eventually slow way down and barely move for quite a few miles with the pedal to the floor. With my most used 300TD the light would light and it would allow me to drive close to 30 mi before it sputtered, then within 1-2 mi it would cease to run dropping cylinders until it shut down. I intentionally run them out on occasion to facilitate cleaning/ changing the in-tank screen or if I need to change a fuel line by the tank. Its good to detect this behavior prior to making decisions when low on fuel. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
