Re: [meteorite-list] Collectors and dealers.

[Jeff Kuyken]

G'day Mike,
 
Have a look at Mike Farmer's page! He has even just added a 
nice Amgala piece to it. Just a word of caution though. You may need to put a 
bucket in front of the keyboard to collect the drool! ;-)
 
http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection.htm
 
Cheers,
 
Jeff
 
 
 
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From: 
Mike / 
flattoprocks 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:16 
PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collectors 
and dealers.

Hello list, I do not post very often. I would 
guess that 90% of the meteorite people on the list rarely if ever post. 
Anyway I was wondering if the dealers at the top of the meteorite world 
still have time to collect meteorites? Do you collect each new fall and or 
find that you sell? Is it more fun to sell a new meteorite or to add it to 
your collection? 
 I am fairly new at collecting and selling 
meteorites. Each time I see or find something that is new or different I 
tend to collect it. I just added a Canyon Diablo to my collection that has a 
hole through it. It would be very easy to sell it and make a few bucks, but 
I would rather keep it in my collection. I found a Gold Basin that shows 
flow lines and has a rollover lip, I could sell it for a dollar a gram, but 
I would rather collect it.
 I guess I am wondering if anyone is 
collecting meteorites or just selling them. I would like to hear about the 
really cool one you put in your personal collection, maybe even see a 
picture. I had a friend give me a 2 kilo Gibeon (the best I have ever seen) 
as a gift. I would not sell the piece for $100.00 per gram. I also had a 
friend give me a 14.5 gram iron from AZ, I would not sell it for $100.00 per 
gram either. Am I the only collector out there?
Mike Miller  //  E-Bay  
flattoprocks

[meteorite-list] *** EBAY AD *** IMB rivers of melt 200 g, low price !!!! DELETE IF NO INTEREST

[Michel Franco]

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=kayunwar&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50

Dear list

I have listed a nice slice of  Saharan IMB. I had to borrow the "Rivers of
melt" expression to one of our co-lister as it seems to apply very well to
this specimen.

More about that nice meteorite (s)  at www.caillou-noir.com/ElArouss.html.

Just have a look if you do not bid. And thank you for bidding high too.

Best regards.

Michel FRANCO
Caillou Noir www.caillou-noir.com
BP 16, 100 Chemin des Campènes
74400 Les Praz de Chamonix FRANCE


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RE: [meteorite-list] Mystery Lights Observed Over England

[mark ford]

Title: Nachricht









 

 

Living in England myself (on the south
coast), I have been an amateur astronomer for 20 years (on and off) I can tell
you our skies are pretty quiet!

 

I saw a bat once… and that’s about
it.

 

What amazes me is that so many people seem
to see major fireballs etc! do they sit there and
stare up all night, every night???

 

 

(Maybe I should try taking the lense cap off my telescope)… J

 

 

MF

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Rosemary Hackney
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 31 March 2004 02:53
To: Bernhard "Rendelius"
Rems; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
Mystery Lights Observed Over England

 



I saw a Black Helicopter today. No
sound. No darkness.. No leader. No companions.





 





Rosie







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From: Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems 





To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Sent: Tuesday,
March 30, 2004 2:23 PM





Subject: RE:
[meteorite-list] Mystery Lights Observed Over England





 





Well, I can only talk about my
personal experience.. I have seen several extremely (!) bright meteorites -
amongst them one that was reddish/blueish/whiteish, one that was pale and
exploded into may sparks, one that was as green as bruning copper. I have
observed weather balloons, I have seen Mir with a tail of objects following, I
have seen head on meteorites, I have seen meteor showers,If this person has
been an amateur astronomer for a long time, he won't be unable to identify
landing lights of an aeroplane, 

[meteorite-list] Back from the Sahara

[meteoriteshow]

Hello to everyone & evreybody!
 
I've been off for more than a month, for a trip 
in the Sahara Desert, where I was expecting to find some new meteorites... We 
were three cars leaving from France, and after a few days needed to reach our 
"target", we started moving around and started by finding some neolithic stone 
tools and fulgurites. But the strewnfield of meteorites was still some hundreds 
of km further, when one of the other cars had a mechanical breakdown. Too much 
electronic devices in this car, and we could not find any solution to make it 
run again. One solution only was possible: to make a U-turn, towing that car 
back to the ferry in Tunis. It took us more than a week, and we finally managed 
to bring it back.
But then, what is the result of that trip? No 
meteorite as you can imagine... Or maybe one stone that is doubtfull and that I 
brought back, but I have not much hope. I'll show it soon to the MNHN in Paris. 
But some beautiful neolithic stone tools, such as arrow heads, axes, grinding 
bowls & grinders, etc... and also a nice batch of fulgurites. I'll show some 
on our website as soon as possible, but even before that, should some of you be 
interested in getting some pics, you can e-mail us and I'll come back to you! I 
will also put some pictures of the expedition on line.
 
Anyway, this experience shows that meteorites are 
not that easy to find. Even when one knows where to go, he's never sure to reach 
the place. He's not even sure to find any when reaching the place. We were quite 
lucky the previous times we went hunting in the Sahara, and this time I guess we 
were quite lucky to bring back the faulty car, as we had to cross some dunes on 
our way,which was not an easy job for my friend who was towing 
it...
 
So, sorry for not being able to show some new 
meteorites this time, but we'll go again as soon as possible, hoping that we'll 
be more successful! In the meantime, we wait for our new classified meteorites 
to be published in the Meteoritical Bulletin, including one ureilite and a nice 
tiny impact melt that we found in November 2002, and we'll let you know as soon 
as they will appear in MB #88.
 
All the best to you!
 
 
Frédéric Beroudwww.meteoriteshow.comIMCA 
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Re: [meteorite-list] H2900 Eucrite

[Jim Strope]

I have to agree 100%.   I, for one, am getting really discouraged with all
this BS arguing on this list.

I make it a practice NEVER to recommend this list to new collectors that I
come in contact with.  That is a pretty sad commentary.

Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV  26038

http://www.catchafallingstar.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:43 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] H2900 Eucrite


> Hey Mike,
>
> Considering I wrote this to Dean, I feel impelled to reply to you for your
> uneccessary reply.
>
> Mike, these are two completely different situations. Dean posted his
> material to the list for SALE, alluding to the fact that it might be
Lunar.
> We announced to the List that we found a small stone that could be a Lunar
> but WERE NOT offering it for sale and that it will be sent to the lab
before
> offering any.
>
> Go back and READ the posting before you spout off again. This is just
> another attempt by you to start some of your typical childish ranting.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> IMCA 2185
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] H2900 Eucrite
>
>
> > Adam, you mean like a couple of days ago you alluded that you "might"
have
> a
> > Lunar meteorite purchased in a batch of Amgala. Now you are slamming
Dean
> > for alluding that he might have a Lunar meteorite.
> > Man, you need to practice what you preach.
> > Mike Farmer
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:09 PM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] H2900 Eucrite
> >
> >
> > > Dear Dean and List Members,
> > >
> > > Dean, we posted the comparison picture of NWA 1929-Howardite and the
new
> > > Polymict Eucrite (H2900) because a List member suggested your new
> Eucrite
> > > was paired to the Howardite. Look back in the thread to see the post.
We
> > did
> > > this so collectors would not think they were buying a Howardite paired
> to
> > > NWA 1929 when in fact they were buying a Eucrite.
> > >
> > > In your original AD posting, you alluded that your new stone may be
> Lunar
> > by
> > > writing that a nomad said it was lunar. This is not doing collectors
> > > justice. This is definitely where it is prudent to get at least an
> initial
> > > lab analysis.  Speaking of labs, we pay for just about all of the
> > > classification work ourselves since the labs and scientists we work
with
> > do
> > > not get grant money.  No tax payers dollars are used in our
> classification
> > > work. We, of course, submit the proper type samples as required. This
is
> > how
> > > we are able to get classifications done quickly if we choose to
> > prioritize.
> > >
> > > Dean, you did the same thing with Bensour. You advertised to the list
> that
> > > you, "...had a new Achondrite for sale that showed up in your latest
> > > shipment from Morocco." We informed you privately that it was a new
fall
> > and
> > > that it was not an Achondrite but an "LL" and that you should wait to
> sell
> > > any as your customers would be upset if they did not get an
Achondrite.
> We
> > > said that we would have lab results in two days but you took this as
an
> > > opportunity to go straight to eBay the next day ahead of
classification
> > and
> > > announced a "New Fall". We were helping you to not look incompetent
and
> > this
> > > is how we are repaid.
> > >
> > > I agree with everything Rob pointed out. He points out that you go
> against
> > > everything you claim to be "...a meteorite dealer
> > > who you know that you can trust." If you were so trustworthy and were
> > > concerned for collectors, you would not write something might be one
> thing
> > > when, in fact, you knew it was something else. We saw the material you
> are
> > > selling from your partner in Morocco.  We were only interested in the
> main
> > > mass so we left the ~1 kilo stone behind that you are now selling.
You
> > sent
> > > an image to Adam asking what it was and he told you it was a Eucrite
> > before
> > > you began selling it.  To say it might be Lunar is misleading and
> > > irresponsible.  Why get collector's hopes up when you knew it was just
a
> > > Eucrite?  This just shows your lack of respect for collectors,
dealer's
> > > advice and science alike.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Greg Hupe
> > > The Hupe Collection
> > > IMCA 2185
> > >
> > >
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[meteorite-list] Sale, Really Cool Meteorite

[David Gregory]

 
- Original Message - 
From: David 
Gregory 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:37 PM
Subject: Really Cool Meteorite

Dear List
 
  I buy a lot of 
meteorite material from Dean at incredibly low prices. Dean has an incredible 
ability to get great material for which we should all be thankful, at VERY low 
prices. When I buy material that I feel is of scientific value then I pass 20+ 
grams or 20% to the many institutions that classify my material. Dean has 
thousands of meteorites that need to be triaged by the collecting community. We 
get them s cheap that to spare 20+ grams or 20% to have them classified 
helps us and the scientists. We can't ask Dean to do the impossible. [ meaning 
classify thousands of stones ]. Let Dean provide this valuable service of 
providing affordable material, and those of us who have been fortunate enough to 
obtain this material will do our best to classify it now or in the future when 
the researchers have more microprobe time. Dean keeps detailed records so 
distribution should we find something great won't be a problem, and the buyers 
can be notified that they have something great.[ Which has already happened, 
which will make them buy more, which increases exposure 
to Sahara material ]. So let Dean do what he does best, and we in 
turn can have the fun of getting them researched, which is were the fun and 
excitement is.If Dean had the time to classify them. The cost to us would go up 
many fold. Buying from Dean is as close as any of us will ever be to buying them 
as if we were in the Moroccan market place. Hoping to get a super rare one for 
peanuts. Many thanks Dean   Best regards David 
Gregory

Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Lights Observed Over England

[GeoZay]

>>Living in England myself (on the south coast), I have been an amateur astronomer for 20 years (on and off) I can tell you our skies are pretty quiet!<<
I have a daughter living I believe in your area right now...Newquay. 
>>I saw a bat onceâ and thatâs about it.<<
Every evening often before I start, I would see bats flying over head. I rather enjoyed it. Once I had a large owl fly right over the length of my body about a foot or two above me. Scared the poo-poo out of me. Didn't see him coming. For a flash of a moment...that was a UFO. :O) He landed in the tops of a tree and sat there gawking at me for about five minutes.

 >>What amazes me is that so many people seem to see major fireballs etc! do they sit there and stare up all night, every night???<<
Well...I pretty much use to do that when the hours of moonlight wasn't bright, except I laid there. Some nights got pretty long with little activity. Only twice did I see a fireball that had associated sonic booms. Neither broke up, so I'm quite confident a rather large piece made it to the ground. 
>>(Maybe I should try taking the lense cap off my telescope)â <<
The years before I did meteor work, I use to stay up all night photographing galaxies and what have you. During most of that time, my eyes were glued to a guiding eyepiece. Only seen a couple fireballs during those nights. Had little opportunity to note anything really unusual. It was only after I started meteor work,  that I was getting a real "feel" of what's in the sky. There was absolutely nothing that hinted ET was involved. I actually enjoyed watching others who sometimes accompany me, see "Unusual" lights. They weren't to me, but they were to them. Sometimes I would break out the large binoculars so they can see for themselves what I already knew. 
George Zay

RE: [meteorite-list] Collectors and dealers.

[mark ford]

Jeannie,

Well put, I think that however much bickering goes on between dealers, they all have 
one thing in common, they love meteorites! It's not the sort of thing you can really 
buy and sell without becoming emotionally involved with.

I think you could safely say that pretty well all dealers started as collectors (& 
maybe a few dealers also became later collectors), its really like a trading game, you 
buy/sell trade up until you get bigger and better specimens, like the board game 
'monopoly'  btw - isn't 'Park Lane' a fall? :)

 And it is VERY addictive! Gold fever has nothing over meteorite fever!!

Best regards,
Mark Ford




-Original Message-
From: Jeannie Devon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 31 March 2004 08:38
To: Mike / flattoprocks; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Collectors and dealers.

Hi Mike,
 
I sell meteorites in my store and my husband always kids me that it's only to support 
my own habit!  I would not really call myself a meteorite "dealer" in the true sense 
of the word, but rather a meteorite retailer! Whenever I buy several of the same fall, 
I can never really bear to part with all of them and one or two end up "disappearing" 
into my personal collection.  Some of my favorites are a gorgeous half stone of Camel 
Donga, a Sikhote Alin shaped just like a bullet, a small but fantastic piece of 
Willamette, and a 125 pound Gibeon with a huge cavity in it the size of a grapefruit 
that they will have to pry from my cold dead hands!  : )   That one is currently at a 
local childrens' science museum on loan because I felt too guilty about keeping it all 
to myself!
 
And of course I have several meteorites that were given to me as gifts from very 
special people which I would not part with for anything!
 
I have found that the best part about being a buyer/seller/collector is that you may 
think you have the perfect sample of some particular meteorite so you keep it in your 
collection.  Then, you come across one that is even better, so you sell the other one 
and upgrade your sample.  After a while the size of your collection doesn't increase 
as quickly, but its quality and your appreciation for it increases.  As a matter of 
fact, I recently purchased a nice end cut of Toluca from you which will upgrade my 
current piece.  So I will sell my old one, and so on and so on.
 
I think that some dealers end up having to think too much about their bottom line, and 
what other dealers are doing, and they don't have the luxury of just plain loving a 
meteorite for what it is.  I am glad that meteorites are not my bread and butter.  I 
don't feel compelled to attach a dollar figure to them, and I think that collecting 
helps keep me in touch with what I love about them.  I hope you enjoy being a 
dealer, and don't stop collecting what you love!
 
Regards,
Jeannie
www.thenaturesource.com
Anchorage, Alaska
- Original Message - 
From: Mike / flattoprocks 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:16 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collectors and dealers.

Hello list, I do not post very often. I would guess that 90% of the meteorite people 
on the list rarely if ever post. Anyway I was wondering if the dealers at the top of 
the meteorite world still have time to collect meteorites? Do you collect each new 
fall and or find that you sell? Is it more fun to sell a new meteorite or to add it to 
your collection? 
 I am fairly new at collecting and selling meteorites. Each time I see or find 
something that is new or different I tend to collect it. I just added a Canyon Diablo 
to my collection that has a hole through it. It would be very easy to sell it and make 
a few bucks, but I would rather keep it in my collection. I found a Gold Basin that 
shows flow lines and has a rollover lip, I could sell it for a dollar a gram, but I 
would rather collect it.
 I guess I am wondering if anyone is collecting meteorites or just selling them. I 
would like to hear about the really cool one you put in your personal collection, 
maybe even see a picture. I had a friend give me a 2 kilo Gibeon (the best I have ever 
seen) as a gift. I would not sell the piece for $100.00 per gram. I also had a friend 
give me a 14.5 gram iron from AZ, I would not sell it for $100.00 per gram either. Am 
I the only collector out there?
Mike Miller  //  E-Bay  flattoprocks

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Re: [meteorite-list] Travis a and b, Fredericksburg

[Jamie Stephens]

Thomas Kingery wrote:

Does anyone have info on Travis County   and/or Fredericksburg
meteorites.  [...]
Here's a great bit from Art Ehlmann:

  http://www.meteor.co.nz/aug96_1.html

--Jamie Stephens



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Re: [meteorite-list] Collectors and dealers.

[Tom Randall - KB2SMS]

Mike / flattoprocks wrote:

Hello list, I do not post very often. I would guess that 90% of the 
meteorite people on the list rarely if ever post. Anyway I was 
wondering if the dealers at the top of the meteorite world still have 
time to collect meteorites? Do you collect each new fall and or find 
that you sell? Is it more fun to sell a new meteorite or to add it to 
your collection?
 I am fairly new at collecting and selling meteorites. Each time I see 
or find something that is new or different I tend to collect it. I 
just added a Canyon Diablo to my collection that has a hole through 
it. It would be very easy to sell it and make a few bucks, but I would 
rather keep it in my collection. I found a Gold Basin that shows flow 
lines and has a rollover lip, I could sell it for a dollar a gram, but 
I would rather collect it.
 I guess I am wondering if anyone is collecting meteorites or just 
selling them. I would like to hear about the really cool one you put 
in your personal collection, maybe even see a picture. I had a friend 
give me a 2 kilo Gibeon (the best I have ever seen) as a gift. I would 
not sell the piece for $100.00 per gram. I also had a friend give me a 
14.5 gram iron from AZ, I would not sell it for $100.00 per gram 
either. Am I the only collector out there?
Mike Miller  //  E-Bay  flattoprocks


Hi Mike,
  I rarely post myself. I'm a collector only, I have only 45 in my 
collection currently, the lastest being a CV3 from Eric Olson. I've 
bought from quite a few from here on the list, not everyone yet but 
eventually!  Everyone has been great. Mine are all small specimens, 
ranging from a 9mg DAG 400 to a 416 gram Canyon Diablo. A few photos of 
mine are on my web site as well as my meteorite collection list:

http://home.hvc.rr.com/kb2sms

Regards!

Tom Randall

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[meteorite-list] Sighning off

[Michael Farmer]

Well, it has happened, I am tired of dealing with 
some of the people on this list. Reading the lies and crap they post gets my 
blood boiling and then I fight back, which pisses more people off. I have better 
things to focus on in my life right now than listen to people hassle each other 
to make a profit. 
Alot of people here seem to believe everything they 
hear and it makes me sick. 
I have enjoyed this list, and will be back some 
day, but for now I am history. I like to think that I have provided alot to the 
list and I certainly have gained alot from it. But the Matteo's of the world are 
spreading here and I want no part of listening to them. 
Michael Farmer
unsubscribing right now. 

Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Park Forest, New 'Rites & Wrong (Park Forest) comic

[ken newton]

Where did the idea for this comic come from?
Hi John and All,
I cannot speak for the originators of the comic, but if you go to the 
archives
and read the reports posted to the list from the dealers
perhaps your question may be answered. It appears that
some encountered less pleasant situations.
http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2003-April/date.html#start
(see: "Park Forest - The Pulling of Teeth  Part I & II )
Best,
Ken Newton
http://www.IMCA.cc
http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs1.html

John Sinclair wrote:

Hi Mark,

Where did the idea for this comic come from?

I spent 7 days in and around Park Forest last year and found the entire
community to be very friendly. 
 



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[meteorite-list] Ensisheim-2004

[Zelimir Gabelica]

Hello List,

This message to confirm to many of you who recently inquired about our
current meteorite show status,  that "Ensisheim-Meteorite
2004" , the 5th in a row, will well be held, as usually, during the
third week-end of June 2004.

We recently encountered various problems to finalize the appropriate
circular but now it is done end ready to be sent to anybody wishing to
receive all details. 
Please just ask me off list, if interested. 

The circular (English version) was also sent to Joel Schiff who kindly
accepted to include it as "link" on its web site of “Meteorite”
(www.meteor.co.nz) and you could read
it very soon. The French version is also about to be available at the
Ensisheim site:
www.ville-ensisheim.fr.

I confirm having received your various inquiries about the show and also
some firm table reservations in the recent past. 
However, we had here nasty virus problems and during the last couple of
weeks, I had unfortunately lost many of my former mail messages.!
I am afraid having also lost in this operation some of your requirements
about table reservations. ...
However, I almost recovered most of that information but still wish to
encourage all of you who sent me inquiries, to renew your wishes in a
short message so that I have again a new mailing list. 
I really apologize for that unexpected inconvenience.

The anouncement of the show will also appear as a short letter in the
next issue of "Meteorite". For those of you willing to know
more about the show right now, I am enclosing heredown a copy of this
letter, possibly in a slightly longer version than the one Joel can
accept to publish. I hope this can help some of you.

Should you wish to receive any further information or ask any specific
question, feel free to send me all your requirements or questions by
mail.
I also hope that some of you (from so fare away) could "make
it" this year.!
If so, please let me know so that I can arrange your specific stay for
the best. 
All of you are, as usually, warmly welcome!

With all my best wishes

Zelimir
--
copy of the short letter:

Meteorite show “Ensisheim 2004”

“Ensisheim-Meteorite 2004”, the 5th international show and exhibit on

extraterrestrial objects, will again take place the week preceding the
Ste 
Marie-aux-Mines mineral show, namely on June 19 and 20, 2004. 

The 2003 edition featured Mars and Moon meteorites through an outstanding

exhibit of many premium lunar and Mars main masses brought by Bruno and
Carine 
and our “lunatic” friend Norbert Classen. The show was attended by about
2000 
visitors, while 28 dealers/exhibitors from 13 countries filled the 55
tables of 
the Regency Palace by an ever growing amount of meteorites of almost all
types. 
As a last minute attraction, P. Rochette offered a free determination of

unknown meteorite types by measuring their magnetic properties. 

In 2004, we will celebrate the 20est Anniversary of the Ensisheim
meteorite 
guardians founding. Most of the 69 known French meteorites will be
featured 
through a specific exhibit and 3 lectures (Ph. Thomas, P.M. Pelé and J.C.

Lefebvre), emphasizing many historical falls and, in particular,
Chassigny and 
the Rochechouart astrobleme. We expect again seeing a lot of recent
falls, 
famous finds and a bunch of exotic achondrites from the “nearby” hot
deserts, 
brought by at least a dozen of hunters: a guarantee for competitive
prices? A 
representative participation of dealers from Eastern Europe and, in
particular, 
Russia, is announced, with a consequent offer of many unusual meteorites
in 
perspective. Extra-show funny times, always spontaneously generated by
most 
attendees, will, by no means, add to the success of the show and that is

probably the reason why folks from very far away (Nick Gessler, Bob Haag,
Oscar 
Turone or Wilton Carvalho, to cite a few) decided co come again. Admiring
the 
main mass of a brand new fall (a surprise!) or chatting with Bernd Pauli,

Dieter Heinlein or Dominique Padirac, are all reasons for you to come and

enjoy. For more information, mail me or consult the latest circular at
the web 
site of “Meteorite”
(www.meteor.co.nz)
Zelimir Gabelica, Organizer of “Ensisheim-2004” 
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Université de Haute Alsace
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[meteorite-list] Stone Identification help !

[www.Meteoryt.net]

Hello List
Yesterday I received verry verry strange specimen. This is 13g endpiece of something 
what
looking like achondrite. Verry fresh achondrite. I need to know Your opinion about this
specimen.

Photos of this specimen I download to my page www.polandmet.com in menu click on
. Strange specimen

Or here directly to this page http://www.polandmet.com/_met_strange.htm

This sample comes from big around 1kg stone, but I not see it yet. I want to know if 
this
can be meteorite or not. For me it is, but I can be wrong. This is really one of the 
best
samples I ever received.

Thanks for Your opinions


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Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: REALLY COOL METEORITE

[dean bessey]

Adam, how stupid do you think that everybody is? Do
you really think that my joke that the nomads call
everythng, even rusty H5s, lunar that people would
believe that I was trying to sell something as Lunar?
If you actually thought that there could have been
confusion in that metter you would have mentioned it
yesterday when you were trying to make sure nobody
believed that I had a howardite. You were comparing
howardites and eucrites - not eucrites and lunars. Why
did your speel change today to lunar all of a sudden?
I had no recent updates to my sale that changed
anything.
The reason that you made that posting was to try and
make people think that there was no chance that I had
a howardite and therfore interfere with my sale by
making potential customers think that there was
nothing special about my rock (Which there might not
be). This is the same strategy that you have used over
the past six months to try and interfere with all of
farmers sales. Try and belittle his rocks backing it
up with some sort of scientic issues that you just
made up. And you use all of this scientific and "Team
Lunar Rock" crap trying to make everybody believe that
you are some scientific expert and that you are the
Indiana Jones of morocco (And have way more
"adventures" in morocco than me and farmer) when all
you do is go over to Morocco and buy stuff from one
dealer over there. You sit on "Team lunar Rocks"
concrete floor and after "The Team" spreads out their
red rug (The one with the pretty flowers) and puts
"The Teams" rocks on them you pick out the ones that
you want and hand over cash. The only person who has
ever outdone you on this "My rocks are better than
your rocks" crap is the pellisons. You are second only
to the pellisons in this regard (Albiet a VERY distant
second).
You are a scumbag adam. And you are not going to drive
me and farmer out of morocco by using this strategy of
trying to interfere with our sales.
Sincerely
DEAN
PS:
Yesterday I got a quick note and for the record UCLA
has looked at a likely paired rock to mine in that
sale under a microscope with a thin section and say
that it is borderline between howardite  and eucrite
but their probe is on the brink again and they are way
backed up with hundreds of other classifications so it
will be a while before I know for sure what it is.
Getting stuff classified is not fast nowadays. So you
could well be right about it being a polymict eucrite.
So I guess that you are good. You can classify stuff
from a photo. With A little more practise and training
and you might learn to be as good as "The Teams"
ability when riding a camel. 

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[meteorite-list] Mars Global Surveyor Images - March 25-31, 2004

[Ron Baalke]

MARS GLOBAL SURVEYOR IMAGES
March 25-31, 2004

The following new images taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) on
the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are now available:

o Craters and Wind Streaks (Released 25 March 2004)
  http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/03/25/index.html

o Russell Dunes (Released 26 March 2004)
  http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/03/26/index.html

o South Polar Layers (Released 27 March 2004)
  http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/03/27/index.html

o Layered South Polar Slope (Released 28 March 2004)
  http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/03/28/index.html

o Gullies With Bright Material (Released 29 March 2004)
  http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/03/29/index.html

o Crater in Cydonia (Released 30 March 2004)
  http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/03/30/index.html

o West Candor Layers (Released 31 March 2004)
  http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/03/31/index.html


All of the Mars Global Surveyor images are archived here:

http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/index.html

Mars Global Surveyor was launched in November 1996 and has been
in Mars orbit since September 1997.   It began its primary
mapping mission on March 8, 1999.  Mars Global Surveyor is the 
first mission in a long-term program of Mars exploration known as 
the Mars Surveyor Program that is managed by JPL for NASA's Office
of Space Science, Washington, DC.  Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS)
and the California Institute of Technology built the MOC
using spare hardware from the Mars Observer mission. MSSS operates
the camera from its facilities in San Diego, CA. The Jet Propulsion
Laboratory's Mars Surveyor Operations Project operates the Mars Global
Surveyor spacecraft with its industrial partner, Lockheed Martin
Astronautics, from facilities in Pasadena, CA and Denver, CO.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Stone Identification help !

[Meteoryt.net]

I not make any tests yet becouse I receivet this sample yesterday.
Also I must say one thing. Its NOT from any desert.

> - Original Message -
> From: "www.Meteoryt.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:15 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Stone Identification help !
>
>
> > Hello List
> > Yesterday I received verry verry strange specimen. This is 13g endpiece
of
> something what
> > looking like achondrite. Verry fresh achondrite. I need to know Your
> opinion about this
> > specimen.
> >
> > Photos of this specimen I download to my page www.polandmet.com in menu
> click on
> > . Strange specimen
> >
> > Or here directly to this page http://www.polandmet.com/_met_strange.htm
> >
> > This sample comes from big around 1kg stone, but I not see it yet. I
want
> to know if this
> > can be meteorite or not. For me it is, but I can be wrong. This is
really
> one of the best
> > samples I ever received.
> >
> > Thanks for Your opinions
> >
> >
> > [ MARCIN CIMALA ][ GG 4742912 ]
> > http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.PolandMET.com   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.Gao-Guenie.com  GSM +48(607)535 195
> > ~~[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]~~
> >
> >
> >
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[meteorite-list] Sudbury Onaping query

[Charles O'Dale]

Dave:

From: Isotopic evidence for a single impact melting origin of the Sudbury
Igneous Complex, A.P. Dickin it al., "Based on the available isotopic and
geochemical data, it is suggested that the SIC resulted from a single impact
melting event that gave rise to the whole complex entirely from crustal
sources." IE: no bolide material survived the impact.

Hope this helps.

Roman:

The carbon (soot) that was found in the crater and dated to the time of
impact was an enigma as there was no life on land 1.8 billion years ago at
the time of the Sudbury impact.



[hypothesis] A biogenic origin of the carbonaceous material (soot) found in
the black Whitewater Group is theoretically caused by the
evaporation/condensation from the hot impact fireball and/or from a later
global cloud.



Chuck

http://www.ottawa.rasc.ca/astronomy/earth_craters/index.html

PS: I will be publishing an article on my exploration trip through the
Sudbury Impact structure later in the spring.


> Message: 12
> Reply-To: "Roman Jirasek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: "Roman Jirasek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Dave Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sudbury Onaping query
> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:50:59 -0500
>
> Hi Dave
>
> I see you received no posts from the list yet.
>
> The Sudbury crater was introduced to me around 5 years ago. It's
> funny because some of local people living right in the crater do not know
> they are living in a crater. The visual area is very different than what I
> am used to, so I found the place quite intriguing.
>
> I probably have no real answers for you about your question, but I did
> find out that there are reports of extra-terrestrial carbons in the black
> onaping.
> That means something burned up that was NOT from Earth, agreed?
>
> I can also tell you that I have seen many kilos of cut slabs of onaping,
and
> some have glassy inclusions, others include highly magnetic areas. You
could
> get a large slab and roll a small 1/4" round earth magnet ball to find the
> attractions.
>
> Other than the beauty of the slices and the history, I really can't help
> you.
> Did you read this part of my site? It may help a bit more, but the author
> does not
> include references unfortunately!
>
>  http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Astrobleme.html
>
> Best regards,
> Roman Jirasek
> www.meteoritelabels.com
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dave Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "metlist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:46 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Sudbury Onaping query
>
>
> > Hi,
> > this month's MAPS has an interesting article (not too technical for a
> > change!) on the The role of meteorite impact as a normal geological
> process
> > (Bevan French of the dept of mineral science at the Smithsonian).
> > Reading about  Onaping I was wondering if anyone knew whether or not
there
> > are any traces of meteoritic material in this suevite?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > dave
> >
> > IMCA #0092
> >
> >


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[meteorite-list] Mars Express Images: Claritas Fossae Tectonic Region on Mars

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEM18A57ESD_0.html

Mars Express
Claritas Fossae tectonic region on Mars
European Space Agency
March 31, 2004

[Image[
Claritas Fossae
 
These Mars Express images show Claritas Fossae, an ancient tectonic region
on Mars, west of Solis Planum, a tectonic and volcanic area south-east of the
Tharsis volcano group.
 
The images were taken by the High-Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC) on
Mars in orbit 68 from an altitude of 271 km. The images are centred at 255.7°
East and 30.9° North. North is on the left.  
 

[Image]
3D view
 
The above 3D image has been created from the nadir-channel (vertical view)
and one stereo-channel of the camera. North is again on the left. This image
requires stereoscopic glasses to view.
 
[Image]
Claritas Fossae (high-res black and white)
 
The resolution of the black and white version (available as a very
high-resolution jpeg) is about 17 metres per pixel. 

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[meteorite-list] Stones partly burried in the dessert sand

[Lars Pedersen]

Hi All
 
I have been thinking ;-)
 
Why is it that it looks like the part of a 
meteorite that sticking out of the sand seems to be better preserved, than the 
part that is burried in the sand - and is protected from the 
weather.
 
My logical sense (dont laugh :-) tells me that the 
part that is up in the air is constantly eroded by the sand blowing over it, and 
gently sandblasting it - but perhaps that is the secret ?
 
Is dessert sand cemicaly agressive ?
 
It is just something I noticed, and may not allways 
be the case ?
 
Best wishes
Lars Pedersen

[meteorite-list] High Possil Meteorite Will Be On Display

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5025115.html

Meteor on show for bicentenary
Evening Times (United Kingdom)
March 31, 2004

A METEOR discovered in High Possil will go on show at Glasgow's 
Hunterian Museum to celebrate the bicentenary of its fall to Earth.
The exhibition, 2004: A Space Oddity, features the mysterious 
black rock from outer space - one of the first to be scientifically 
verified as a meteor after its crash into a quarry on April 5 1804.

It hit the ground with a loud bang, alarming the men working there.
In 1810 the landowner gave the meteor to the Hunterian Museum.
The exhibition opens on Friday and a series of 10-minute talks
will be held at 12.45pm for the rest of April

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[meteorite-list] Spectacular Fireball Over Australia

[Ron Baalke]

http://townsvillebulletin.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,9150273%255E14787,00.html
 
Space rock hits the North
By ROBERTA MANCUSO
Townsville Bulletin (Australia)
April 1, 2004

A MYSTERY "fireball" that fell from the sky and reportedly struck the 
earth so hard it shook buildings like a mini-earthquake had North 
Queenslanders scratching their heads last night.

Everyone from police to air traffic controllers, pilots, firefighters 
and locals in areas from Townsville, Charters Towers, Winton, Cloncurry, 
Hughenden and Giru reported seeing a spectacular fireball light up the 
sky before it came crashing down in a fiery haze.

No one knew what it was but suspected it was a meteorite. And no one the 
Townsville Bulletin spoke to last night could pinpoint exactly where the 
piece of space rock apparently hit.

"It lit up most of the town and probably hit the ground somewhere in the 
Aramac direction," George Schafer of Winton said. "It actually shook 
buildings. There was a bang like you wouldn't believe.

"Whatever it was, there was a smoke trail coming off the back of it. I've 
never seen anything like it in my life.

"There was a dull light that went over the town and a minute after there 
was an explosion.

"I don't know what it was."

Dean Coffison of Hughenden said he thought it hit Winton.

"I thought someone had let off a bomb," he said.

"It was just like a big, bright flare."

Mr Coffison said he too felt the earth shake but did not hear the bang.

Sergeant Bill Edbrooke of Mount Isa police said he received several calls 
about it and it was hot gossip all over North Queensland.

"It was seen all over the place," he said.

"They said they saw a big, green glowing ball falling from the sky and 
hitting the ground."

Townsville meteorologist Andrew Cearns said he had received calls from 
firefighters as far afield as Cloncurry to as close as air traffic 
controllers in Townsville.

"We don't know much more than what we've heard," he said.

Reports had the object hitting the earth sometime between 7-8pm. 

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http://www.abc.net.au/queensland/news/200404/s1078339.htm

Qld residents spot large fireball in the sky
Australian Broadcast Corporation
April 1, 2004

Police and aviation authorities have been swamped by calls about a 
large fireball, believed to be a meteor, seen over Queensland's 
north and central west.

The object was reported about 7:00pm (AEST).

Mike Barton from Australian Search and Rescue says the crew of a 
passenger jet also witnessed the sight.

"There has been extensive reports from members of the public 
throughout North Queensland, all the way from Hinchinbrook Island 
through to Winton, on what looks like some sort of meteor
space re-entry," he said.

"Particularly south-west, down around the Winton area, they think 
it might have hit the ground because they can feel some vibrations 
and hear noise.

"A Virgin Airlines flight that was travelling up the coast, which 
was in the vicinity of Hinchinbrook Island, reported this object 
going over the top." 



http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,9148474%255E3102,00.html

Light show startles residents
news.com.au
April 1, 2004

RESIDENTS of central western Queensland were treated to a 
spectacular light show last night, when an object described as "a 
kite on fire" lit up the evening sky.

Neal Elliott, of Winton, said he noticed the sky illuminate just 
after 7pm.

"I looked up and in the north-east there was this bloody big 
fireball, like a kite on fire," he said.

"Then I heard this explosion and everyone ran out into the street 
to see what was going on because the houses were shaking."

Mr Elliott said the object left a trail of white vapour after it 
disappeared.

The weather bureau confirmed it had received calls about the bright 
light as did police stations from Longreach to Rockhampton.

The object's identity was not known last night.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Stones partly burried in the dessert sand

[Michel Franco]

Lars & List 
 
The important point is that most hor desert 
meteorites are not found in sandy areas ( like sans dunes) but in hard areas 
such as rocky fields, with most of the time clay below ( or finer soils than 
sand below the surface) ( The Dar Al Gani field is made of small 
dolomitic rocks  ( a kind of calcareous rock) lying on clay. Most of 
the saharan Hamadas are  similar. These soils keep the moisture 
when it rains and this is the cause of the weathering of the buried "half" of 
the meteorite. The upper part of the meteorite is in very dry atmosphere and 
keeps it in better state of conservation. Even if the crust is somehow blasted 
away by the sand wind action. 
 
A typical old hot desert meteorite will present: no 
crust on the upper side, and some crust , but altered on the buried side, 
sometimes this crust will be covered with caliche. 
 
Desert sand is not chemicaly agressive. Desert sand 
is almost pure silica ( Si O2). the color of the sand is given by oxydes in very 
small proportions. Often iron oxydes.  Aggresion ( and alteration ) on hot 
desert meteorites occurs when water is present. The fusion crust is not a 
propection for meteorites. It is not a sealant. Unfortunatly. 
 
I only speak about stones meteorites ( Chondrites 
and Achondrites )  I have no experience about iron meteorites, just 
found one. 
 
My 2 cents
 
Michel FRANCO
Hot desert hunter. 
 
Caillou Noir www.caillou-noir.comBP 16, 100 Chemin 
des Campènes74400 Les Praz de Chamonix FRANCE

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lars 
  Pedersen 
  To: Meteorite Mailing List 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:15 
  PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Stones partly 
  burried in the dessert sand
  
  Hi All
   
  I have been thinking ;-)
   
  Why is it that it looks like the part of a 
  meteorite that sticking out of the sand seems to be better preserved, than the 
  part that is burried in the sand - and is protected from the 
  weather.
   
  My logical sense (dont laugh :-) tells me that 
  the part that is up in the air is constantly eroded by the sand blowing over 
  it, and gently sandblasting it - but perhaps that is the secret ?
   
  Is dessert sand cemicaly agressive ?
   
  It is just something I noticed, and may not 
  allways be the case ?
   
  Best wishes
  Lars 
Pedersen

[meteorite-list] morrocan fall

[aziz habibi]

hello list
i have some from the smara amgala fall left
i will sell it with a raisonable price, email me for photo.
what was the main mass of this fall
all the best
aziz habibi

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[meteorite-list] MY NEW ESTHERVILLE

[Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!]

Hi list.I just got my new estherville slice from rob elliott today.MY GOD
IT'S HUGE!!As my wife would say:)I would never in all my collecting days
would I ever think I would ever own a piece this big.I want to thank rob
for making this available.My god what a beautiful piece.After my dispaly
case is done, I'll have a picture up on my website.

steve

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[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - March 31, 2004

[Ron Baalke]

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

SPIRIT UPDATE: Brushing the Dust Off 'Missouri' - sol 86, 
March 31, 2004

Spirit began sol 86, which ended at 2:20 p.m. PST on March 31, 
2004, by waking up and heating the panoramic mast assembly to 
complete sky and ground stares with the miniature thermal 
emission spectrometer. Spirit completed the alpha particle 
X-ray spectrometer integration on the hole made by the
rock abrasion tool and then took a 45-minute nap. 

Once Spirit woke up, it began the 6-position rock abrasion 
tool brush mosaic on the target "Missouri" on the rock called 
"Mazatzal." Once this was completed successfully, the rover's 
arm was stowed.

Spirit then rolled backwards .9 meters (2.95 feet) to 
correctly position itself to acquire mini thermal emission
spectrometer imaging of the newly brushed mosaic, and the 
previously ground hole. In addition, Spirit took sky and 
ground stares and panoramic camera images of the upcoming 
drive direction. The sol ended with mini thermal emission 
spectrometer stares at the "Columbia Hills" and an afternoon 
pass by NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter. 

Sol 87, which ends at 3:00 p.m. PST on April 1, 2004, will be 
a driving day for Spirit as it begins what could be a 
record-breaking journey toward the Columbia Hills. 



OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Opportunity 'Back in the Saddle' - sol 65, 
March 31, 2004

Opportunity resumed science operations after waking to 
Aerosmith's "Back in the Saddle" on its 65th sol, which ended 
at 2:02 a.m. PST on March 31. During the martian morning, the 
miniature thermal emission spectrometer and panoramic camera 
studied the atmosphere. "Bounce" rock was imaged by the 
panoramic camera. 

Opportunity's instrument arm was then deployed to get a close-up 
view of "Bounce" using the microscopic imager. The rock abrasion 
tool team used some of these images to identify the exact target 
for next sol's grinding operation. The Moessbauer spectrometer 
was then placed on a designated target on the rock for an 
overnight integration. 

In the afternoon, Opportunity took navigation and panoramic 
camera images and completed more miniature thermal emission 
spectrometer science. 

Next sol, the rover's rock abrasion tool will grind into Bounce.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Spectacular Fireball Over Australia

[GeoZay]

>>A MYSTERY "fireball" that fell from the sky and reportedly struck the earth so hard it shook buildings like a mini-earthquake had North Queenslanders scratching their heads last night.<<
There's a good chance that a meteorite hit the ground with this fireball, but the "shook buildings..." effect was most likely airborne sonics caused by the objects passing thru the atmosphere.
George Zay

[meteorite-list] Huge Fireball Seen Over Australia

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/01/1080544596673.html

Fireball crashes to earth in Queensland
The Age (Australia)
April 1, 2004 

Residents of the outback town of Winton saw a flash "like 50,000 
floodlights" as a huge fireball crashed to earth somewhere in 
central Queensland late yesterday. 

Authorities are trying to track down the source of a large 
fireball seen in the sky over the state's north and central west. 

Speculation has ranged from space junk to a meteorite. 

"We only know it wasn't an aircraft," a spokesman for the 
Australian Search and Rescue Organisation said. 

But in Winton Elsa Nelms and her partner Graeme East had front 
row seats for the spectacular light show, sitting on their 
verandah at dusk talking business with a friend. 

"Suddenly there was this flash, it's the only way I can 
describe it - it was so bright it was a white flash and it lit 
everything up," Ms Nelms said. 

"It was like somebody had turned on 50,000 spotlights."

"We all looked up in the sky and there was a white smoke trail 
coming from the north-east - like a firecracker smoke trail but 
it was too high to even be an aircraft." 

Ms Nelms said she had gone into her backyard to lock her dog in 
a pen when the house shook. 

"While I was putting him away there was a rumble like thunder a
long way away. 

"I missed the action up in the house but my partner said the
eaves shook and the roof rattled." 

She said the whole of Winton either saw or felt the event, with
phones ringing all over town and people coming out of their houses
to see what was going on. 

"The neighbours came over and they were white-faced," she said. 

Ms Nelms said she later spoke by phone to friends living 130km
outside Winton who had seen the flash but not felt the rumble. 

"There's probably is a big hole somewhere - but had this fallen 
on Winton we probably wouldn't be sitting here talking about it," 
Ms Nelms said. 

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http://www.abc.net.au/farnorth/news/200404/s1078372.htm

Large fireball sighted over Qld
ABC Far North QLD
April 1, 2004

Authorities will this morning investigate scores of reports about 
a large fireball seen in the sky over Queensland's north and 
central west last night.

Sightings were reported from Cairns to Emerald at about seven 
o'clock last night.

Residents at Springsure, south of Emerald have told police the 
bright object slammed into the ground somewhere nearby shaking 
homes and buildings.

Mike Barton from Australian Search and Rescue says the pilot of 
a Virgin Blue passenger jet reported the object flying over him 
at about 25,000 feet.

"There has been extensive reports from members of the public 
throughout North Queensland all the way from Hinchinbrook 
Island through to Winton, on what looks like some sort of 
meteor space re-entry," he said.

"Particularly southwest, down around the Winton area that they 
think it might have hit the ground because they can feel some 
vibrations and hear noise."

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[meteorite-list] New Mars Meteorites (DAG 1037, NWA 2046, SAU 130)

[Ron Baalke]

Below is the Meteoritical Bulletin announcing the discovery of
two new Mars meteorites: DAG 1037 and NWA 2046. NWA 2046 was
announced previously by Anthony Irving last January. Also, not 
mentioned in the Bulletin is yet another Mars meteorite which 
was recovered by Mike Farmer in January 2004: 
SAU 130.  SAU 130 weighs 116 grams and was found in Oman. 
SAU 130 is assumed paired with the other SAU Mars meteorites, which 
now includes eight numbered meteorites. So, taking into account 
pairings and prior annoucements, DAG 1037 is the only 'new' 
Mars meteorite in this group, and bumps up the Mars meteorite 
count to 31.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/snc

Ron Baalke

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THE METEORITICAL BULLETIN
Announcement 88-4, March 31, 2004
  
Sara Russell, Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Mike Zolensky, Assoc. Ed. for Northwest Africa 
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Luigi Folco, Assoc. Ed. for Africa ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 Monica Grady, Assoc. Ed. for Oman ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   Rhian Jones, Assoc. Ed. for the Americas ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   Kevin Righter, Assoc. Ed. for Antarctica 
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Jeffrey N. Grossman, Assoc. Ed. for Web ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

This is the fourth electronic announcement of new meteorites to be 
published in Meteoritical Bulletin, No. 88, 2004 July. 

Martian meteorites:

Dar al Gani 1037 Basaltic shergottite (4.0 kg, Libya) 
 [see below]
Northwest Africa 2046Basaltic shergottite (63 g, Morocco) 
 [see below]

[snip]


ANNOUNCEMENTS

Dar al Gani 1037   27d20.00' N, 16d13.00' E
   Libya
   Found 1999
   Martian meteorite (basaltic shergottite) 
Ten stones totaling 4012.43 g were found early 1999 in the sand 
desert of Dar al Gani. The biggest individual was a complete 
individual of 3090 g with perfect orientation and rather fresh 
appearance. Classification and mineralogy (A. Greshake and M. Kurz): 
an olivine-phyric shergottite with porphyritic texture; large 
chemically zoned olivine megacrysts are set into a fine-grained 
groundmass composed of pyroxene and maskelynite; minor phases include 
chromite, Ti-rich chromite, sulfides, phosphates, and small Fe-rich 
olivines; olivine megacrysts often contain melt inclusions and small 
chromites; pyroxenes are dominantly chemically zoned pigeonites, some 
contain orthopyroxene cores; olivine phenocrysts, Fa31.4-41.1, Fe/Mn 

Northwest Africa 2046
   Algeria
   Purchased 2003 September
   Martian meteorite (basaltic shergottite)
A 63g complete and partially crusted stone found near Lakhbi, Algeria 
was purchased from a Moroccan dealer in 2003 September by M. Farmer 
(Farmer).  The ellipsoidal stone has an average width of 30 mm, with 
a 1 to 3 mm thick weathering rind; the interior is very fresh and 
unweathered.  Classification and mineralogy (J. Wittke and T. Bunch, 
NAU; A. Irving and S. Kuehner, UWS): olivine-orthopyroxene-phyric 
basaltic rock.  Subhedral to euhedral, dark brown olivine phenocrysts 
(up to 2.2 mm long) are strongly zoned from cores of Fa15.7 to rims 
of Fa47.9, and subhedral to euhedral, prismatic orthopyroxene 
phenocrysts (up to 2.1 mm long) have cores as magnesian as 
Fs17.7Wo2.5, surrounded by irregularly zoned mantles with both 
pigeonite and augite, and pigeonite rims as ferroan as Fs39.0Wo12.5.  
The groundmass consists mainly of zoned pigeonite (Fs30Wo6.5 to 
Fs40Wo13) intergrown with maskelynite (zoned from cores of 
Ab25.5Or0.1 to rims of Ab36.5Or1.1) and small grains of relatively 
ferroan olivine (Fa47.6-58.1).  Accessory minerals include Ti-
chromite (Al/(Al+Cr) = 13.8-28.3), chromite, ilmenite,
Cr-ulvöspinel, pyrrhotite (commonly in parallel growth with 
ilmenite), merrillite, rare chlorapatite, and rare fayalite (which 
occurs as a reaction rim on groundmass pigeonite in contact with 
ilmenite or pyrrhotite).  Trapped melt inclusions in olivine contain 
aluminous diopside, amphibole(?), pleonaste, chromite, merrillite and 
glass.  Large, prismatic orthopyroxene phenocrysts exhibit preferred 
orientation; olivine phenocrysts are weakly oriented and tend to 
occur in clusters.  Textures and mineral compositions are similar to 
those in olivine-orthopyroxene-phyric shergottite NWA 1195, but the 
olivine cores in NWA 2046 are more magnesian (Irving et al., 2004).  
Specimens: type specimen, 12.2 g, and one polished thin section, NAU; 
one polished thin section, UWS; main mass, Strope.

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[meteorite-list] (Retro) Back On The List In 1998

[almitt]

Hi list,

I thought I might try this out. If I could get into an older system I might be able to

dig up info a little older. Back on the list in 1998 some of the topics covered were:

DAG 400 was selling for $20,000 a gram. It was only the second one on the market for
collectors to buy. (At this time was considered quite a bargain.)

Stolen Michigan Meteorite a Canyon Diablo was recovered by a US dealer who was on the
lookout. The thief attempted to sell the specimen to him.

Portales Valley that fell in June of that year was being offered for $20.00 gram with
metal rich veins.

A dealer was offering a blowout on meteorites sell. (and still is today :-)

Mars Cubes some 5,000 had been sold. The dust was painstakingly separated out so only
small fragments remained in the cubes so they wouldn't cloud over.

Ron Baalke was giving a Stardust update.

A Greenland Meteorite Hunt from a Fall last December (1997) turned up some dust
samples.

Bernd Pauli Talked about maps of Georgia tektite finds

Someone asking about any true Meteorite Hunters out there.

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[meteorite-list] Message from Mark Bostic

[Michael L Blood]

Hi All,
Received an email from Mark asking that I post the following for
him:
--
I have decided at this time that it is best I remove myself from the
Meteorite Central mailing list for the time being. This decision was not
reached simply because of my recent comic, although I would lie if that was
not part. 
 
It is now warming up outside and there is much I want to do this
spring/summer/fall. I am still working at setting up two other meteorite
talk/displays in town and setting up the foundation of a large meteorite
field program for my local meteorite club. Two things I am treating
separate, although they seem to come together in many aspects. The promoting
of meteorite interest...and the hunt for new meteorites through Nininger
like field work. 
 
It is also my desire to get my storm chasing gear together and play with the
storm watchers a little this year. A past time of mine several years ago. (I
stopped chasing before when a tornado turned almost 90 degrees and chased
me), and much of my family lives in town. The bottom line is at this time I
find the mailing list too much of a distraction, from what I need and would
like to be doing.  Should I feel different later, I will consider
subscribing at that time. Until then I will follow the archives from time to
time.
 
Mark Bostick
 
www.meteoritearticles.com
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Message from Mark Bostic

[Rosemary Hackney]

Hmmm.. Too early for April Fool's Day.

So.. I see the Idiots have won.  Now Michael Farmer and Mark Bostick are
both gone. I hope you are proud of your whining. I guess it brought about
whatever change  that you  wanted accomplished. When all else fails.. play
the Race card.. It is a sure winner...

So now.. we are deprived of Mike's expertise and Mark's ability to share
information  Because of petty bickering and jealousy.

Don't feel like it was a major accomplishment. I think Mark subscribes to my
philosophy"It is more productive to spend fleeting time on things that
are enjoyable than to argue with a sign post that has already made up its
closed mind". After all.. What have you accomplished by besting a FOOL?

Rosie


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Re: [meteorite-list] Spectacular Fireball Over Australia

[Jeff Kuyken]

G'day all,
 
I'm starting to think this was a fairly big show! I've 
received an email from someone who lives some 500km SW of Townsville and 
witnessed the event also. They even felt the booms. I might add they sent the 
email within 2 hours of the event (long before they could have read anything 
from the media) and described everything pretty well. Hopefully there could be 
some material coming out of this one. Pity it has to stay in Australia! 
;-)
 
Cheers,
 
Jeff KuykenI.M.C.A. #3085www.meteorites.com.auwww.meteoritesaustralia.com
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:07 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Spectacular 
  Fireball Over Australia
  
  >>A MYSTERY "fireball" that fell from the sky and 
reportedly struck the earth so hard it shook buildings like a 
mini-earthquake had North Queenslanders scratching their heads last 
night.<<
  There's a good chance that a meteorite hit the ground with this fireball, 
  but the "shook buildings..." effect was most likely airborne sonics caused by 
  the objects passing thru the atmosphere.
  George Zay
  

[meteorite-list] Dronino - Now Official

[Jeff Kuyken]

G'day Folks, For those who have been 
wondering Dronino is now official. See the extract released today. It also 
mentions that the sulfide inclusions are (~10 vol.%).
Cheers,
Jeff KuykenI.M.C.A. #3085www.meteorites.com.auwww.meteoritesaustralia.com
 Dronino 54o44.8΄ N; 
41o25.3΄ E
Ryazan district, RussiaFound July 
2000Iron, ataxite (ungrouped)
A 40kg iron was found by Oleg Gus’kov, Moscow 
resident, as hewas returning home from collecting mushrooms near the 
villageof Dronino in the Ryazan district. In early 2003, it was taken 
toVernad, and identified as meteoritic. In summer 2003, 
scientificexpeditions and meteorite hunters collected more than 600 
fragments(the largest is 250 kg) totaling about 3 000 kg and occurringat 
a depth of 0.2-2 m across an area of 0.5x1.5 km. Thedistribution of the 
fragments suggests that the meteorite formed anow-buried crater about 30 m 
in diameter. This crater is not reflectedin the present-day topography of 
the site. No historicalrecords exist of a meteorite fall, thus it appears 
likely that themeteorite fell earlier than the 12th century when the area 
waslargely unpopulated. Classification and mineralogy (D.Badyukov, M. 
Nazarov, Vernad; J. Wasson, UCLA): the Droninoiron is an ataxite containing 
sulfide inclusions (~10 vol.%) andconsisting of kamacite (7.0±0.5 wt% Ni and 
0.75 wt% Co) andrare taenite (26.5±0.5 wt% Ni and 0.35 wt% Co) as 
elongatedprecipitates (1-3 µm in size) which form linear and banded 
textures;sulfide inclusions (up to a few mm in size) rounded 
andelongated along the banding; accessories are chromite and Fephosphate 
(graftonite?); no phosphide was found and P is notdetectable in metal with 
EMP; INAA data: Ni 98.1, Co 5.54(mg/g), Cr 37, Cu 32, Ga <0.3, As 3.52, W 
0.38, Ir 1.68 ppm, Au0.284 (µg/g); the meteorite is most close to IVA irons 
in Ni, Irand the low P but the low Au and Ga contents distinguish 
theDronino element pattern from that of all known iron meteoritegroups. 
Dronino meteorite fragments are heavily weathered andcovered with rust 1-3 
cm thick. Sulfide nodules are surroundedby Fe hydroxides, which replace 
metal. Troilite of the nodules iscommonly replaced with unknown Fe,Ni 
sulfides. Specimens:type specimen 700 kg including the largest 250 kg piece 
Vernad.

[meteorite-list] Dronino

[joseph_town]

Hi,

I've considered Dronino since it was first offered. The original seller pulled no 
punches and pointed out how perishable it is. Boiled it in oil and recommended storing 
in oil or grease. Has anyone tried the lye treatment on it yet with positive results? 
Speaking from the viewpoint of the average collector, is it worth buying or is it as 
objectionable as Nantan?

Thanks,
Bill Kieskowski



 

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[meteorite-list] Sale: 13 kilos of Franconia

[Jack Schrader]

Hello list members!    I have 13 kilos of 
Franconia meteorites that I wish to sell quickly.  I don't have a web page, 
so if interested, please let me know via personal email how much you would like 
and make me a reasonable offer.  You all probably know by now how much the 
stone Bernard was taking offers went for.  I would rather sell it all in 
bulk,  but can let it go in smaller lots but the price would be higher that 
way.  My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED].  Thank you. 
Jack 

Re:[meteorite-list] Sighning off

[Matteo Chinellato]

Well Farmer is good you go, you have broken many people with your pompous answers, your stupiden quarrels with other members of the list, yours taken in turn in the comparisons of others. You instead feel omnipotent and to be one that it does not know where to unload its repression that it has within.
Go out Farmer, open a your list and leaves in peace who wants to speak about meteorites and not to only read your pompous answers.
 
 
 
Well, it has happened, I am tired of dealing with some of the people on this list. Reading the lies and crap they post gets my blood boiling and then I fight back, which pisses more people off. I have better things to focus on in my life right now than listen to people hassle each other to make a profit. 
Alot of people here seem to believe everything they hear and it makes me sick. 
I have enjoyed this list, and will be back some day, but for now I am history. I like to think that I have provided alot to the list and I certainly have gained alot from it. But the Matteo's of the world are spreading here and I want no part of listening to them. 
Michael Farmer
unsubscribing right now. 
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out

[Pierre-Marie PELE]

Hello to the list.

I don't want to sign out myself but I'm very afraid that all these signs out (Mike and 
Mark) will lead the list to die itself if it continues this way.

1. So we have to think out to the cause of this problem : in my opinion, it's due to 
the personal attacks and messages sent to the members. They were private messages that 
should have been sent directly to the members and not on the list.

2. The solution : My solution would be that the moderator (Hello Art !) would read 
each incoming message and refuse all the messages whose content is offensive for a 
list member. This way, we'll only get messages whose object is about meteorites and 
not about meteorite guys. 

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[meteorite-list] Texas meteorites?

[Tom aka James Knudson]

Hello List, If I has Meteorite's from A to Z, I would not ask, but I don't
so I am, : )  Can someone give me a list of Texas meteorites? I had a friend
down from Dallas this week and he now loves meteorite hunting, even after
three days of not finding a darn thing! He wants to continue hunting at
home. : )
Thanks, Tom
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Mars Meteorites (DAG 1037, NWA 2046, SAU 130)

[star-bits]

Since Mike is no longer on the list he asked me to claify the above statement.  It was 
found in Jan 2004, but not by Mike Farmer, he purchased it from the finders.

--
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> 
> Below is the Meteoritical Bulletin announcing the discovery of
> two new Mars meteorites: DAG 1037 and NWA 2046. NWA 2046 was
> announced previously by Anthony Irving last January. Also, not 
> mentioned in the Bulletin is yet another Mars meteorite which 
> was recovered by Mike Farmer in January 2004: 
> SAU 130.  SAU 130 weighs 116 grams and was found in Oman. 
> SAU 130 is assumed paired with the other SAU Mars meteorites, which 
> now includes eight numbered meteorites. So, taking into account 
> pairings and prior annoucements, DAG 1037 is the only 'new' 
> Mars meteorite in this group, and bumps up the Mars meteorite 
> count to 31.
> 
> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/snc
> 
> Ron Baalke
> 
> --
> 
> 
> THE METEORITICAL BULLETIN
> Announcement 88-4, March 31, 2004
>   
> Sara Russell, Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> Mike Zolensky, Assoc. Ed. for Northwest Africa 

>  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>   Luigi Folco, Assoc. Ed. for Africa ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>  Monica Grady, Assoc. Ed. for Oman ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>Rhian Jones, Assoc. Ed. for the Americas ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>Kevin Righter, Assoc. Ed. for Antarctica 
>  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>   Jeffrey N. Grossman, Assoc. Ed. for Web ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> 
> This is the fourth electronic announcement of new meteorites to be 
> published in Meteoritical Bulletin, No. 88, 2004 July. 
> 
> Martian meteorites:
> 
> Dar al Gani 1037 Basaltic shergottite (4.0 kg, Libya) 
>  [see below]
> Northwest Africa 2046Basaltic shergottite (63 g, Morocco) 
>  [see below]
> 
> [snip]
> 
> 
> ANNOUNCEMENTS
> 
> Dar al Gani 1037   27d20.00' N, 16d13.00' E

>Libya
>Found 1999
>Martian meteorite (basaltic shergottite) 
> Ten stones totaling 4012.43 g were found early 1999 in the sand 
> desert of Dar al Gani. The biggest individual was a complete 
> individual of 3090 g with perfect orientation and rather fresh 
> appearance. Classification and mineralogy (A. Greshake and M. Kurz): 
> an olivine-phyric shergottite with porphyritic texture; large 
> chemically zoned olivine megacrysts are set into a fine-grained 
> groundmass composed of pyroxene and maskelynite; minor phases include 
> chromite, Ti-rich chromite, sulfides, phosphates, and small Fe-rich 
> olivines; olivine megacrysts often contain melt inclusions and small 
> chromites; pyroxenes are dominantly chemically zoned pigeonites, some 
> contain orthopyroxene cores; olivine phenocrysts, Fa31.4-41.1, Fe/Mn 
> 
> Northwest Africa 2046
>Algeria
>Purchased 2003 September
>Martian meteorite (basaltic shergottite)
> A 63g complete and partially crusted stone found near Lakhbi, Algeria 

> was purchased from a Moroccan dealer in 2003 September by M. Farmer 
> (Farmer).  The ellipsoidal stone has an average width of 30 mm, with 
> a 1 to 3 mm thick weathering rind; the interior is very fresh and 
> unweathered.  Classification and mineralogy (J. Wittke and T. Bunch, 
> NAU; A. Irving and S. Kuehner, UWS): olivine-orthopyroxene-phyric 
> basaltic rock.  Subhedral to euhedral, dark brown olivine phenocrysts 
> (up to 2.2 mm long) are strongly zoned from cores of Fa15.7 to rims 
> of Fa47.9, and subhedral to euhedral, prismatic orthopyroxene 
> phenocrysts (up to 2.1 mm long) have cores as magnesian as 
> Fs17.7Wo2.5, surrounded by irregularly zoned mantles with both 
> pigeonite and augite, and pigeonite rims as ferroan as Fs39.0Wo12.5.  
> The groundmass consists mainly of zoned pigeonite (Fs30Wo6.5 to 
> Fs40Wo13) intergrown with maskelynite (zoned from cores of 
> Ab25.5Or0.1 to rims of Ab36.5Or1.1) and small grains of relatively 
> ferroan olivine (Fa47.6-58.1).  Accessory minerals include Ti-

> chromite (Al/(Al+Cr) = 13.8-28.3), chromite, ilmenite,
> Cr-ulvöspinel, pyrrhotite (commonly in parallel growth with 
> ilmenite), merrillite, rare chlorapatite, and rare fayalite (which 
> occurs as a reaction rim on groundmass pigeonite in contact with 
> ilmenite or pyrrhotite).  Trapped melt inclusions in olivine contain 
> aluminous diopside, amphibole(?), pleonaste, chromite, merrillite and 
> glass.  Large, prismatic orthopyroxene phenocrysts exhibit preferred 
> orientation; olivine phenocrysts are weakly oriented and tend to 
> occur in clusters.  Textures and mineral compositions are similar to 
> those in olivine-orthopyroxene-phyric shergottite NWA 1195, 

Re: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorites?

[Sharkkb8]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If I has Meteorite's from A to Z, I would not ask, but I don'tso I am, : )  Can someone give me a list of Texas meteorites?
Meteorites A-Z lists some 286 of them, so by the time someone organized them all into a list-reply, you might have had time to order and receive a copy.    ;-)
 
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