Re: dhcpclient diff (new options)

2006-04-19 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Nick Guenther wrote:

 On 4/18/06, Joseph C. Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ted Unangst wrote:
  
   another time, somebody should delete all this atom + 1 shit.  any
   computer that runs on electricity should be able to handle the strain.
 
  Okay, so I have to ask.
 
  Why would anyone do something that lame anyway?
 
 Well, if you write something like:
 if(*str == 'c')
  {
  //in here it's redundant to have strcmp check the first character,
 since you already know it's a c
   if(strcmp(str+1, har)) //if str == char
  {
   //eggs...
  }
//spam...
   }
 
 It just cuts down the number of branches in the code... but it's

No, no, no, it increases the number of branches.

 hardly worth it, it makes it to much more difficult to read.

I would say, not worth it.

-Otto



inet6(4)

2006-04-19 Thread Brian
I am working on some IPv4  IPv6 Interoperability stuff, and I hit a brick wall
trying to get an IPv6 UDP server to receive IPv4 packets.  It looks like that
piece was taken out per inet6(4):

OpenBSD does not route IPv4 traffic to an AF_INET6 socket.  The particu-
 lar behavior in RFC 2553 is intentionally omitted for security reasons
 presented above.  If both IPv4 and IPv6 traffic need to be accepted, lis-
 ten to two sockets.

So if I want to add IPv6 functionality to an existing app, I would convert the
current IPv4 stuff to use getaddrinfo, and I would just open two sockets by
walking the link list provided by getaddrinfo, right?  I wouldn't try to
receive IPv4 traffic on an IPv6 socket for openBSD.

Now, I have done a cursory review of docs via google for converting IPv4 apps
to IPv6, but I haven't looked at the security issues with coding for both. 
Besides searching securityfocus, is there another site I should be reading for
IPv6?  Is KAME still relevant to the openBSD implementation?

Cheers,

Brian
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Re: Sun X2100

2006-04-19 Thread Srebrenko Sehic
Look at: 
http://www.armorlogic.com/openbsd_information_server_compatibility_list.html?action=detailid=x2100

The only *real* issue left is the nvidia network card puking under
major load, but that might have been solved by the last commit (past
3.9-STABLE) by [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't got my hands on this box again to 
test
though.



Re: Server Compatibility List

2006-04-19 Thread Srebrenko Sehic
On 4/19/06, Jonathan Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That is totally out of date for 3.9, everything except the x4200 should
 be fine.

Yes. Especially the HP hardware, since most of the problems were
caused by missing PCI bridges that should be fixed now.

As soon as I get my 3.9 CDs from Wim, we'll retest some of the boxes.



problems with carp and vlans

2006-04-19 Thread Lars Weste
Hi, 

I have some problems with carp and vlans, at least I think so. 
I found this: 
http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/cvs/2005-04/0996.html
so my assumption may be wrong, as I use openbsd 3.8.

I have four physical 
interfaces in my two firewalls, one for pfsync, one to the Internet, DMZ 
and LAN. At the LAN interface seven VLAN interfaces are configured. The 
Internet and DMZ interfaces are on em(4) and the pfsync and LAN vlans on 
a bge(4) interface. 

When I remove one of the Internet or DMZ cables, all Interfaces on both 
firewalls behave as expected, the Interface where the cable is removed, 
goes to state INIT, the others become backup. When I do this with the LAN 
interface, then all carp interfaces for the seven vlans go to master 
state, but the two remaining carp interfaces for the Internet and DMZ 
stay in backup mode.

my configuration on both hosts:
net.inet.carp.preempt=1
net.inet.carp.allow=1
net.inet.carp.arpbalance=0


hostname.carp0
!ifconfig em0 up
vhid 1 carpdev em0 172.16.0.1 172.16.0.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 up

hostname.carp1
!ifconfig em1 up
vhid 1 carpdev em1 172.16.1.1 172.16.1.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 up


hostname.carp2 
!ifconfig bge0 up
!ifconfig vlan0 create
!ifconfig vlan0 vlan 3 vlandev bge0 up
vhid 1 carpdev vlan0 192.168.0.1 192.168.1.255 netmask 255.255.254.0 up

hostname.carp3 up to hostname.carp9 (only the vlan interface numbers and 
ip addresses are different)
!ifconfig vlan1 create
!ifconfig vlan1 vlan 4 vlandev bge0 up
vhid 1 carpdev vlan0 192.168.2.1 192.168.3.255 netmask 255.255.254.0 up


I also tried to use the em interfaces for the vlan devices, with the same 
result, the interfaces do not stay in sync. assume the following: i 
remove a cable from the backup host from the carp interfaces, doesn't 
matter which one. The carp interface goes into init state, then i plug it 
back in, and the interface goes into backup state. but with a chance of 
about 1 of 5 the interface changes its state from backup to master, but 
the other interfaces stay in backup mode. The second host has all 
interfaces as master but the one as backup where at the first host the 
corresponding interface is in master mode.


I also tried with different vhid's on all interfaces, but with no 
different results. Anybody knows how to keep the carp interfaces on the 
vlan devices in same state with the carp interfaces bound to the physical 
interfaces? Any hint would be greatly appreciated.


lars

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timeout panics

2006-04-19 Thread David Gwynne
I committed a change this morning that should cause a misuses of a  
kernel api to generate panics rather than weird side effects. If  
anyone gets a panic with the message timeout_set: already queued  
can you submit a bug report via bugs@ or sendbug as soon as possible.  
I know I shouldn't have to ask, but can you please ensure you have a  
dmesg and a trace of the stack from ddb as part of the bug report?


Cheers,
dlg



Re: a little success in vnc over openvpn

2006-04-19 Thread OS rider
Tim Donahue wrote:

Perhaps this is easier than using a redirect statement in pf.conf. 

Set `sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding=1` on both servers if it not already 
set.

vncviewer 192.168.1.122

Tim Donahue


  

i am sorry , you are right .
according to man openvpn  ,
 example 3 : openvpn --remote june.kg --dev tun1 --ifconfig 10.4.0.1
10.4.0.2
--tls-client --ca tmp-ca.crt --cert client.crt --key client.key
--reneg-sec 60 --verb 5
makes vncviewer 192.168.1.122 enable .

surely i do not need rdr in pf.conf .
so i again rewote vnc over openvpn in http://nakajin.dyndns.org/pikara.html
thanks lots . takesima



Re: PCMCIA USB 2.0

2006-04-19 Thread David Gwynne

have you submitted a bug report?

On 18/04/2006, at 11:00 PM, Jared Solomon wrote:


Erm, that's not true.  I picked up one at Beelzebub Buy and it crashes
my openBSD 3.8 machine.

On 4/17/06, David Gwynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

i hope you mean cardbus and not pcmcia. there is such a thing as a
pcmcia usb host controller, but it is usb 1 only, and we don't have a
driver for it. if someone wants to give me one i might work on that
in the future though (i want usb on my sparc).

as for usb2 carbus controllers, anything you pick up will probably
work. try to avoid the cards that do firewire and stuff as well as
usb. your best bet is a straight usb card.

dlg

On 18/04/2006, at 5:53 AM, Dan Smythe wrote:


Since my laptop only has a USB 1 on it, I was thinking
about getting a PCMCIA USB 2.0 adapter. I looked on
the hardware list, but couldn't find a list of
supported models. Any suggestions?
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Re: Multi Firewalls Admin

2006-04-19 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 12:47:31AM +0200, xanadu wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have to remote admin 54 OpenBSD firewalls.
 What tools can help me for that (Monitoring, Updates or PF broadcasts, 
 getting firewalls logs, automate processes, ...), is there all in one ?

It's usually better to assemble something from the individual best
components. Some possible choices:
- centralized syslog server(s) running syslog-ng, stock syslogd,
  or whatever syslogd best suits your needs, taking into account
  that the network being traversed is untrusted (i.e. some VPN
  solution makes sense);
- automated log monitoring using, for instance, sec
  (sysutils/sec)[1] or one of the other packages (swatch,
  logsurfer, ...);
- automated network monitoring using, for instance, nagios[2]
  (or mon, or ...);
- some custom scripting to handle pflog, or just keep it on the
  host until needed - or just don't log it;
- distributing configuration and binaries using rdist (in base,
  and works well, but uses a lot of bandwidth), rsync, or
  something all-in like cfengine; or a simple FTP server; most
  choices here allow you to run scripts;
- remote login using sshd, possibly augmented using something
  that will run a command on N hosts;
- something more exotic, like using a single AFS-mounted image
  for all of the firewalls, and telling the various syslogd
  processes to log to the proper place.

Additionally, cron and/or /etc/{daily,weekly,monthly}.local is your
friend. Some custom scripting will be desired; use a Bourne shell, Perl,
Python, or whatever suits you.

Take into account that any package you do not need to install, is one
more package you don't have to depend on. Especially for a firewall,
the stock install is likely to be sufficient.

Joachim

[1] Sec is very powerful, but the documentation is a little lacking in
examples and writing a good ruleset will take time. OTOH, it is more
flexible, more powerful, and writing a good ruleset always takes time. I
have some working configurations for you, should you decide to take this
route.
Whatever you choose, it is vitally important that you *do* see anything
you have not mentioned in the configuration file. Those tend to be the
most 'interesting'.
[2] Nagios is quite useful, and makes pretty pictures. Good for showing
people.



Re: Best WAN Adaper?

2006-04-19 Thread Toni Mueller
Hello,

On Sat, 15.04.2006 at 16:22:31 -0400, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't know about the DS3 one as I am still looking for that myself, 
 ...
 As for the DS3, if you get an answer on that one, please share with us!

these seem to have mostly vanished from the planet. The only ones which
were supported at some time in the past, and which I'm aware of, are
SBE's, but they don't give any guarantees. Other cards which might be
good could be those from ImageStream, but they don't support OpenBSD,
nor do they offer reasonable docs (last I looked).

Anyway, if someone of you comes across good E3 cards, please drop me a
note.  Otherwise, try to persuade your carrier to give you Ethernet.


Best,
--Toni++



Re: Sun X2100

2006-04-19 Thread Laurence Tratt
On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 07:19:07PM -0400, stan wrote:

 I'm considering purchasing a Sun X2100 to use a an OpenBSD based firewall.

 Any hardware issues I should be aware of?

 What have been peoples experince with these (or similar) machines?

Although it's not directly OpenBSD related, you'll probably want to flash
the BIOS with the latest version, as Sun still seem to be shipping machines
with the comically broken first version of the BIOS. Just to give you an
idea of how bad it is: USB keyboards don't work reliably (and this is a
machine without a PS/2 slot don't forget), and at least one BIOS screen says
something like press Shift-F1 but misses the f in shift. Quality
control were probably having an off day.

Mercifully the BIOS update you can get from SUN is installable in an OS
independent fashion, and after that the machine (and OpenBSD) seem to run
fine.


Laurie
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Re: PPPoA and OpenBSD

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Walrond
On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 07:03:36PM +1000, Dave Harrison wrote:
 Stuart Henderson wrote:
  On 2006/04/09 17:43, Dave Harrison wrote:
  I'm searching high and low for some documentation on setting up a
  PPPoA link (yes, it's for the UK and it's definitely PPPoA _not_
  PPPoE) under OpenBSD
  
  in-tree: ueagle(4) otherwise: iirc there are some USB Speedtouch
  drivers
 
 Is it not possible to configure in a way similar to a ppp  PPPoE
 setup ??
 
 I have a modem that I'm connecting to via ethernet, then it plugs into
 the phone line.
 
 Can I drive PPPoA with the ppp daemon ??

If you're using a ADSL router which you plug your OpenBSD box into via
ethernet I see two ways of connecting. Either get your ADSL modem to do
the PPPoA connection, or make your OpenBSD box do PPPoE and your ADSL
modem to do a bridge connection using ATM. I've posted on the list of
how I get my OpenBSD box to do the PPP connection (last month if you
look though the archives for PPPoA).

I may as well turn last months email into html since it seems to be a
common question and there's little on the subject using Google.


Dan



Re: Best WAN Adaper?

2006-04-19 Thread tony sarendal
On 19/04/06, Toni Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 On Sat, 15.04.2006 at 16:22:31 -0400, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  I don't know about the DS3 one as I am still looking for that myself,
  ...
  As for the DS3, if you get an answer on that one, please share with us!

 these seem to have mostly vanished from the planet. The only ones which
 were supported at some time in the past, and which I'm aware of, are
 SBE's, but they don't give any guarantees. Other cards which might be
 good could be those from ImageStream, but they don't support OpenBSD,
 nor do they offer reasonable docs (last I looked).

 Anyway, if someone of you comes across good E3 cards, please drop me a
 note.  Otherwise, try to persuade your carrier to give you Ethernet.



What about using Ethernet to T3/E3 converters instead ?
That way you don't need funky cards in the openbsd box.

I haven't had a closer look at the different vendors of those as we used
Lucent and Nortel Ethernet over SDH equipment (of varying quality) at the
telco I used to work at, but there are man companies out there selling
this stuff. If you can find something which can run as a repeater go for
that.

/Tony

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Re: Ethical question on misc suggestion

2006-04-19 Thread Jeff Quast
On 4/18/06, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I guess

 I don't know

 I know

 I don't know

 I don't know

 Regards,

 Daniel

It could also be summarized as above.



pfw (was: Multi Firewalls Admin)

2006-04-19 Thread Martin Schröder
On 2006-04-19 10:43:43 +1000, Johan Allard wrote:
 If you check out http://www.allard.nu/pfw/, it's most likely going to  
 be the closest thing for you. It can do PF broadcasts (installing a  
 ruleset on multiple firewalls at once), examining logs on remote  
 firewalls and do basic monitoring of your firewalls as well.

Any chance of it becoming a port?

Best
Martin
-- 
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Re: pfw (was: Multi Firewalls Admin)

2006-04-19 Thread Alexander Belikov
MS On 2006-04-19 10:43:43 +1000, Johan Allard wrote:
 If you check out http://www.allard.nu/pfw/, it's most likely going to  
 be the closest thing for you. It can do PF broadcasts (installing a  
 ruleset on multiple firewalls at once), examining logs on remote  
 firewalls and do basic monitoring of your firewalls as well.

MS Any chance of it becoming a port?
try to write the same to ports@openbsd.org

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Re: PCMCIA USB 2.0

2006-04-19 Thread Jared Solomon
No.  I couldn't keep the machine  up enough to get any change in the
dmesg on it and decided that it was my fault for picking up a random
piece-of-crap bit of hardware at Beelzebub Buy.

If there is interest, I could fire up ye olde beast and attempt it. 
But, my hacking skills and OpenBSD usage is low, so I don't know if my
bug report would be in a helpful format.

On 4/19/06, David Gwynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 have you submitted a bug report?

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Re: Ethical question on misc suggestion

2006-04-19 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 06:18:45PM -0400, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
 At the risk of been flame big time, and that's fine, I would however 
 suggest that questions on misc@ follow the same criteria as the support 
 for the OS it's self.
 
 Meaning, a new release come out, then support on the oldest is drop and 
 only the last two are supported.
 
 Shouldn't support or question on misc@ follow the same policy.
 
 If one can't give himself/herself the pain to upgrade, I sure don't see 
 why anyone else should give themselves the pain to support it either!

Well, doesn't reality more-or-less reflect this already? The first
sentence in a reply to such a post usually contains the word 'upgrade'
(or 'update').

I'd put this in the same category as the RTFM questions - they can be
answered quickly, effectively, and in such a way that the poster does
his homework next time.

Joachim



Re: fs block-number (soft) error - uncorrectable/corrected?

2006-04-19 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 08:04:22PM -0700, patrick ~ wrote:
 Hi,
 
 This is the second time I've been seeing this type of
 an error:
 
 Mar 27 01:30:47 box /bsd: wd0f:   reading fsbn 3967732 of 3967732-3967735 (wd0
 bn 9723412; cn 9646 tn 3 sn 55), retrying
 Mar 27 01:30:48 box /bsd: wd0: soft error (corrected)
 --
 Apr 17 01:30:34 box /bsd: wd0f:  uncorrectable data error reading fsbn 3655388
 of 3655388-3655391 (wd0 bn 9411068; cn 9336 tn 6 sn 2), retrying
 Apr 17 01:30:36 box /bsd: wd0: soft error (corrected)
 
 
 wd0f is my /usr partition.
 
 
 How serious is this?  Should I start looking into a
 hard-disk replacement?  Obviously I'm making a back-up
 of data files I would like to keep.

This usually indicates a disk on its way out. Replace the disk; it's
highly unlikely that your data is worth so little that a new disk is out
of the question.

Joachim



VPN server and winxp client

2006-04-19 Thread wolk
Hello 
I want to create simply vpn server with native windows xp vpn client. What 
is the simply way to create this solution with openbsd?

Jacek 


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System poczty na jablko.one.pl



bluefish or other web design tools

2006-04-19 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
i'm trying to migrate my web development to openbsd from winxp where i use
dreamweaver. i want to have similar functionality to dreamweaver: a WYSIWYG
interface, SFTP file transfers and code coloring. is this too much to ask for?

i have installed the bluefish package on a post-3.9 current machine and that
works fine, but i can't figure out how to use SFTP to transfer site files to and
from a remote server. the bluefish-1.0p1.tgz package for 3.8 doesn't install its
dependencies correctly, so i haven't tried it on 3.8-release.

any other suggestions for website development software?

cheers,
jake



upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Jasper Bal
After nummerous advices on the list that I should upgrade, I decided to 
try remote upgrading.


At the folowing step:

Reboot on the new kernel: This might be a tempting step to skip, but it 
should be done now, as usually, the new kernel will run old userland 
apps (such as the soon to be important reboot!), but often a new 
userland will NOT work on the old kernel.


something went wrong. I issued a reboot. And when the system came back 
up, SSH didn't recognize any of my passwords. All the services seem to 
be running though. I even have unchrooted access through FTP. I'm in 
wheel group but have no access as root with FTP. Already checked 
ftpusers, but root is hashed (yes, I know this is wrong). Either I 
forgot the password, or something has changed.


Any hints? Did I do something wrong? Is there a fix? Or do I have to 
travel 400 km?


Regards,
Jasper



Re: VPN server and winxp client

2006-04-19 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
 Original message 
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:59:55 +0200
From: wolk [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Subject: VPN server and winxp client  
To: misc@openbsd.org

Hello 
I want to create simply vpn server with native windows xp vpn client. What 
is the simply way to create this solution with openbsd?

Jacek 


--
System poczty na jablko.one.pl


search the archives for this, it's been discussed ad nauseum.

there are 2 such native winxp solutions, one being to use ipseccmd.exe to
establish a tunnel directly with openbsd's isakmpd and the other uses the VPN
style network connection and works over L2TP/PPP/IPSec. the latter one is much
more complicated to setup and requires using and L2TP server, PPP interfaces and
redirects.



Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Oliver Peter
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 04:22:06PM +0200, Jasper Bal wrote:
 After nummerous advices on the list that I should upgrade, I decided to 
 try remote upgrading.

AFAIK you're running an 3.6 system, right? Did you directly go from
3.6 to 3.9?
 
 Reboot on the new kernel: This might be a tempting step to skip, but it 
 should be done now, as usually, the new kernel will run old userland 
 apps (such as the soon to be important reboot!), but often a new 
 userland will NOT work on the old kernel.

That's right.
 
 something went wrong. I issued a reboot. And when the system came back 
 up, SSH didn't recognize any of my passwords. All the services seem to 
 be running though. I even have unchrooted access through FTP. I'm in 
 wheel group but have no access as root with FTP. 

root isn't able to login via ftp. Generic.

 Any hints? Did I do something wrong? Is there a fix? Or do I have to 
 travel 400 km?

Have you got a chance to connect via a serial terminal?

Please give us further informations how you did the update.
old version, new version, source update, generic kernel etc.

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Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Nick Holland

Jasper Bal wrote:
After nummerous advices on the list that I should upgrade, I decided to 
try remote upgrading.


there is reason we suggest practicing on an identical LOCAL box first!


At the folowing step:

Reboot on the new kernel: This might be a tempting step to skip, but it 
should be done now, as usually, the new kernel will run old userland 
apps (such as the soon to be important reboot!), but often a new 
userland will NOT work on the old kernel.


something went wrong. I issued a reboot. And when the system came back 
up, SSH didn't recognize any of my passwords. All the services seem to 
be running though. I even have unchrooted access through FTP. I'm in 
wheel group but have no access as root with FTP. Already checked 
ftpusers, but root is hashed (yes, I know this is wrong). Either I 
forgot the password, or something has changed.


Any hints? Did I do something wrong? Is there a fix? Or do I have to 
travel 400 km?


Well, assuming there is a human being on the other end that you share a
common language with, I doubt you need to travel.

You provide basically no information about what you did, what you started
with or where you tried to go, so you aren't going to get a certain answer
here.  However, the only time something like that happened to me is when I
tried to take a system from 3.1 to 3.5 or similar by remote.  Being the
system was completely wrong by that point, I did a remote reinstall,
including unpacking etcXX.tgz (which you will note, you are told not to do)
which clobbered my existing passwd file (which I expected), but I forgot to
change the password before reboot.  I ended up with a completely functional
system with no root password, and sshd is smart enough to keep people out
of root if there is no pw.  Oops.

That's assuming ssh is really responding to you.
If you are just getting slapped away, rather than getting a login prompt,
it could be a problem with your PF configuration, most likely one that was
going to bite you on reboot anyway, reboot or not.  Can you log in as any
other user via ssh?  Got sudo set up?

With FTP access to the box, your only hope is a configuration error
you can exploit.  Hopefully, that's not gonna happen.

Most likely, you will just have someone local force the box for you:
   http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#LostPW

and then log in (or have them disable PF or ...).  You can also look at
/var/log/authlog for clues as to why you can't log in as you wish now.

Nick.



Re: bluefish or other web design tools

2006-04-19 Thread Marcus Popp
Hi Jacob,

On 2006-04-19T09:15, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote:
...
 any other suggestions for website development software?

have a look at quanta it's a kde web-dev tool.
http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/

hth,

Marcus.



Re: bluefish or other web design tools

2006-04-19 Thread Marcus Popp
On 2006-04-19T14:54, Marcus Popp wrote:
 Hi Jacob,
 
 On 2006-04-19T09:15, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote:
 ...
  any other suggestions for website development software?
 
 have a look at quanta it's a kde web-dev tool.
 http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/
 
 hth,
 
 Marcus.

it's in the kdewebdev package.

Marcus



Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Jasper Bal

Oliver Peter schreef:

On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 04:22:06PM +0200, Jasper Bal wrote:
  
After nummerous advices on the list that I should upgrade, I decided to 
try remote upgrading.



AFAIK you're running an 3.6 system, right? Did you directly go from
3.6 to 3.9?
  

3.6 to 3.7
 
  
root isn't able to login via ftp. Generic.
  

I changed that.
  
Any hints? Did I do something wrong? Is there a fix? Or do I have to 
travel 400 km?



Have you got a chance to connect via a serial terminal?
  

No.

Please give us further informations how you did the update.
old version, new version, source update, generic kernel etc

I was running 3.6 stable.
I removed my packages.
I removed the g++ compiler.
I downloaded the install files for 3.7.
I replaced bsd and bsd.rd.
I installed new firmware.
Then I issued a reboot.

The rest is history.

MvG
Jasper



Re: bluefish or other web design tools

2006-04-19 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
 Original message 
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:39:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Subject: Re: bluefish or other web design tools  
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], misc@openbsd.org


--- Jacob Yocom-Piatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 i'm trying to migrate my web development to openbsd from winxp where
 i use dreamweaver. i want to have similar functionality to
dreamweaver: a
 WYSIWYG interface, SFTP file transfers and code coloring. is this too
much to ask for?
 
 i have installed the bluefish package on a post-3.9 current machine
 and that works fine, but i can't figure out how to use SFTP to
transfer site
 files to and from a remote server.

sftp is like ssh and scp: use the command line.  Can you be more
specific on how this is failing you?


it isn't that it's failing me so much as i don't appear to have the same option
as i do under dreamweaver in this regard. you can check out/in a site using SFTP
under dreamweaver when you're working on a webserver that is remote. this way,
you needn't make manual use of SFTP to upload individual files or get the most
recent files you've checked in. i'm not too keen on having to manually do these
transfers since it wastes time.

also, there a number of packages and configuration changes i've made to the
webserver that the code is supposed to run on, making it inconvenient to
replicate such a setup on the local machine where i'm coding.

####
# workstation## webserver  #
# running bluefish   ## w/ extra packages and  #
### configuration  #
  ##



Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Jasper Bal

Nick Holland schreef:


and then log in (or have them disable PF or ...).  You can also look at
/var/log/authlog for clues as to why you can't log in as you wish now.

Nick.



Thanks Nick. Look what I found in authlog:

Apr 19 16:09:17 Speculum sshd[15678]: User jabal not allowed because 
shell /usr/local/bin/tcsh does not exist


This is probably stupid, but I removed the tcsh pkg. I did think about 
possible difficulties logging in without, but i didn't think long enough.


All my users use tcsh. Root uses csh. If I could only remember the 
password...


Jasper



Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2006/04/19 16:22, Jasper Bal wrote:
 something went wrong. I issued a reboot. And when the system came back 
 up, SSH didn't recognize any of my passwords. All the services seem to 
 be running though. I even have unchrooted access through FTP. I'm in 
 wheel group but have no access as root with FTP.

Can you upload a ~/.ssh/authorized_keys for some user in wheel?



Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Jasper Bal

Stuart Henderson schreef:

On 2006/04/19 16:22, Jasper Bal wrote:
  
something went wrong. I issued a reboot. And when the system came back 
up, SSH didn't recognize any of my passwords. All the services seem to 
be running though. I even have unchrooted access through FTP. I'm in 
wheel group but have no access as root with FTP.



Can you upload a ~/.ssh/authorized_keys for some user in wheel?
  
Yes I can. Will connecting trough RSA/DSA not give the same problem with 
tcsh? See my response to Nick Holland.


Jasper



Re: bluefish or other web design tools

2006-04-19 Thread Peter
--- Jacob Yocom-Piatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 i'm trying to migrate my web development to openbsd from winxp where
 i use dreamweaver. i want to have similar functionality to
dreamweaver: a
 WYSIWYG interface, SFTP file transfers and code coloring. is this too
much to ask for?
 
 i have installed the bluefish package on a post-3.9 current machine
 and that works fine, but i can't figure out how to use SFTP to
transfer site
 files to and from a remote server.

sftp is like ssh and scp: use the command line.  Can you be more
specific on how this is failing you?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 



Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2006/04/19 17:20, Jasper Bal wrote:
 Can you upload a ~/.ssh/authorized_keys for some user in wheel?
   
 Yes I can. Will connecting trough RSA/DSA not give the same problem with 
 tcsh? See my response to Nick Holland.

Ah yes, it will, sorry..



Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Pete Vickers
if you can read /var/log/authlog, you are in wheel (unless you've  
changed perms on it). So just use scp to copy ksh to /usr/local/bin/ 
tcsh...


/Pete


On 19. apr. 2006, at 17.15, Jasper Bal wrote:


Nick Holland schreef:


and then log in (or have them disable PF or ...).  You can also  
look at
/var/log/authlog for clues as to why you can't log in as you wish  
now.


Nick.



Thanks Nick. Look what I found in authlog:

Apr 19 16:09:17 Speculum sshd[15678]: User jabal not allowed  
because shell /usr/local/bin/tcsh does not exist


This is probably stupid, but I removed the tcsh pkg. I did think  
about possible difficulties logging in without, but i didn't think  
long enough.


All my users use tcsh. Root uses csh. If I could only remember the  
password...


Jasper




Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread L. V. Lammert

At 05:20 PM 4/19/2006 +0200, Jasper Bal wrote:
 Will connecting trough RSA/DSA not give the same problem with tcsh? See 
my response to Nick Holland.


How about ftp'ing up another copy of csh named tcsh? Might get you running, ..

Lee



Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 05:36:37PM +0200, Pete Vickers wrote:
| if you can read /var/log/authlog, you are in wheel (unless you've
| changed perms on it). So just use scp to copy ksh to /usr/local/bin/
| tcsh...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] $ id
uid=864(weerd) gid=864(weerd) groups=864(weerd), 0(wheel), 5(operator),
9(wsrc), 69(network), 117(dialer)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] $ touch /usr/local/bin/tcsh
touch: /usr/local/bin/tcsh: Permission denied
[EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ls -ld /usr/local/bin/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  13824 Mar 21 18:38 /usr/local/bin/

I may be in wheel, but wheel has no write permissions on
/usr/local/bin, so that doens't help much.

Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd

--
[++-]+++.+++[---].+++[+
+++-].++[-]+.--.[-]
 http://www.weirdnet.nl/

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Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 05:36:37PM +0200, Pete Vickers wrote:
 if you can read /var/log/authlog, you are in wheel (unless you've  
 changed perms on it). So just use scp to copy ksh to /usr/local/bin/ 
 tcsh...

But you don't have write permission on that directory, at least, not on
my machine.

Joachim



Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 04:22:06PM +0200, Jasper Bal wrote:
 After nummerous advices on the list that I should upgrade, I decided to 
 try remote upgrading.
 
 At the folowing step:
 
 Reboot on the new kernel: This might be a tempting step to skip, but it 
 should be done now, as usually, the new kernel will run old userland 
 apps (such as the soon to be important reboot!), but often a new 
 userland will NOT work on the old kernel.
 
 something went wrong. I issued a reboot. And when the system came back 
 up, SSH didn't recognize any of my passwords. All the services seem to 
 be running though. I even have unchrooted access through FTP. I'm in 
 wheel group but have no access as root with FTP. Already checked 
 ftpusers, but root is hashed (yes, I know this is wrong). Either I 
 forgot the password, or something has changed.
 
 Any hints? Did I do something wrong? Is there a fix? Or do I have to 
 travel 400 km?

Is sendmail listening to incoming connections? If so, you might have a
chance to exploit it to gain (more/root) access. I can't help you here,
but securityfocus.com does claim to have a PoC:
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/17192/info. No idea if it works,
though, and OpenBSD's security enhancements are unlikely to be very
helpful here. Of course, that's sort of the point...

The one other security problem is only useful if you can get scp to try
to work with strange filenames, and that's not very likely, is it?

Since you have syslog access (further upthread - via FTP, I presume),
what does the system say when you try to log in as root (over FTP? over
SSH?)?

Joachim



Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Jeff Quast
On 4/19/06, Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 05:36:37PM +0200, Pete Vickers wrote:
  if you can read /var/log/authlog, you are in wheel (unless you've
  changed perms on it). So just use scp to copy ksh to /usr/local/bin/
  tcsh...

 But you don't have write permission on that directory, at least, not on
 my machine.

Joachim

Maybe I'm missing something, no access to a unix right now, but how
about the ssh option for a command?, the ssh manpage says

 If command is specified, it is executed on the remote host instead of a
 login shell.

and

 When the user's identity has been accepted by the server, the server ei-
 ther executes the given command, or logs into the machine and gives the
 user a normal shell on the remote machine.

maybe with an .authorized_keys file, you could invoke /bin/sh directly.

ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] '/bin/sh'

auth may still deny it, the login shell not-existing, but its worth a shot...



Re: bluefish or other web design tools

2006-04-19 Thread Stuart Henderson
 i'm not too keen on having to manually do these transfers since it wastes 
 time.

How about rsync?

 also, there a number of packages and configuration changes i've made to the
 webserver that the code is supposed to run on, making it inconvenient to
 replicate such a setup on the local machine where i'm coding.

Doing this would be a good exercise since you can document it at
the same time, facilitating recovery if you have a problem with the
webserver.



Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2006/04/19 13:10, Jeff Quast wrote:
 Maybe I'm missing something, no access to a unix right now, but how
 about the ssh option for a command?, the ssh manpage says

I checked this earlier - it doesn't work (at least on current OpenSSH;
I didn't check older versions).

user ... not allowed because shell /bin/... does not exist



Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Jeff Quast
just throwing out an idea, again i havn't openbsd available to me atm,
how about replacing a crontab for a fix via ftp? a netcat
bindshell-style program for back-door entry.

I'm thinking, though, since crontab is setuid, that you may not have
permission to overwrite a crontab file (be it your own) over ftp.

On 4/19/06, Stuart Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 2006/04/19 13:10, Jeff Quast wrote:
  Maybe I'm missing something, no access to a unix right now, but how
  about the ssh option for a command?, the ssh manpage says

 I checked this earlier - it doesn't work (at least on current OpenSSH;
 I didn't check older versions).

 user ... not allowed because shell /bin/... does not exist



Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Joakim Aronius
* Joachim Schipper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 04:22:06PM +0200, Jasper Bal wrote:
  Any hints? Did I do something wrong? Is there a fix? Or do I have to 
  travel 400 km?
 
 Is sendmail listening to incoming connections? If so, you might have a
 chance to exploit it to gain (more/root) access. I can't help you here,
 but securityfocus.com does claim to have a PoC:
 http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/17192/info. No idea if it works,
 though, and OpenBSD's security enhancements are unlikely to be very
 helpful here. Of course, that's sort of the point...

Yeah, I think we all would be better of runnig a less secure OS. Then we could 
hack it when we screw up like this. I bet you got this tip from som Linux forum 
(couldn't help that :)

Almost everyone that have used remote/headless machines for some time have 
locked themselves out for stupid reasons; upgrade, changing pf rules etc. (been 
there :P ) It really helps having two machines sharing a serial cable when 
something like this happens..

I would say that all sugestion so far in this thread are examples of actions 
that a secure OS should prevent.

Good luck anyway, hope it works out.

/Joakim

 
 The one other security problem is only useful if you can get scp to try
 to work with strange filenames, and that's not very likely, is it?
 
 Since you have syslog access (further upthread - via FTP, I presume),
 what does the system say when you try to log in as root (over FTP? over
 SSH?)?
 
   Joachim



Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Michael Wilsker

Howdy,

You might also want to check that you unpacked the base file set 
correctly (using tar xzpf).   If you didn't preserve the setuid file 
modes in /usr/libexec/auth for example, the system's ability to 
process password based logins would be pretty well crippled.If 
this is the case, unpacking the fileset(s) again using the correct 
tar options will fix it.


Regards,

 -- Mikey




On Wednesday 19 April 2006 19:27, Stuart Henderson wrote:
 On 2006/04/19 13:10, Jeff Quast wrote:
  Maybe I'm missing something, no access to a unix right now, but how
  about the ssh option for a command?, the ssh manpage says

 I checked this earlier - it doesn't work (at least on current OpenSSH;
 I didn't check older versions).

 user ... not allowed because shell /bin/... does not exist




Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 04:59:32PM +0200, Jasper Bal wrote:
 Any hints? Did I do something wrong? Is there a fix? Or do I have to 
 travel 400 km?
[...]
 I replaced bsd and bsd.rd.

Made the obligatory backup copy (/obsd)? This could save you a train
ticket -- just tell someone near the box to boot it with the old kernel.

Ciao,
Kili



Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 05:36:37PM +0200, Pete Vickers wrote:
 if you can read /var/log/authlog, you are in wheel (unless you've  
 changed perms on it). So just use scp to copy ksh to /usr/local/bin/ 
 tcsh...

The above is exactly what we in germany call Gefrickel.

$ ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] chsh -s /bin/ksh

Ciao,
Kili



rc.conf.local update_motd=NO

2006-04-19 Thread Eduardo Alvarenga
Hi there,

--
--- rc.orig 2006-04-19 15:43:13.869242320 -0300
+++ rc  2006-04-19 15:45:43.632474848 -0300
@@ -491,6 +491,7 @@
 if [ ! -f /etc/motd ]; then
install -c -o root -g wheel -m 664 /dev/null /etc/motd
 fi
+if [ X${update_motd} != XNO ]; then
 T=`mktemp /tmp/_motd.XX`
 if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then
sysctl -n kern.version | sed 1q  $T
@@ -499,6 +500,7 @@
cmp -s $T /etc/motd || cp $T /etc/motd
rm -f $T
 fi
+fi

 if [ -f /var/account/acct ]; then
echo 'turning on accounting';   accton /var/account/acct
--

Some companies ask sysadmins to put a specific message of the day for
many purposes, this patch might become handy in such situations.

It is useful, at least for me.

Regards,

--
Eduardo Alvarenga



Re: upgrade halted

2006-04-19 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 11:28:37AM -0700, Michael Wilsker wrote:
 You might also want to check that you unpacked the base file set 
 correctly (using tar xzpf).

Well, tell me an idiot, but if I read the OPs mail, he just replaced
the kernel and the firmware -- nothing else yet.

Ciao,
Kili



i just have to share this with you guys...

2006-04-19 Thread Joe Advisor
load averages:  0.78,  0.76,  0.75
 14:00:32
61 processes:  51 idle, 9 zombie, 1 on processor
CPU0 states:  0.6% user,  0.0% nice,  3.0% system, 
0.0% interrupt, 96.4% idle
CPU1 states:  0.2% user,  0.0% nice,  1.2% system, 
0.0% interrupt, 98.6% idle
CPU2 states:  0.2% user,  0.0% nice,  1.0% system, 
0.0% interrupt, 98.8% idle
CPU3 states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  2.4% system, 
0.0% interrupt, 97.6% idle
CPU4 states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system, 
0.0% interrupt,  100% idle
CPU5 states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.6% system, 
0.0% interrupt, 99.4% idle
CPU6 states:  0.4% user,  0.0% nice,  0.2% system, 
0.0% interrupt, 99.4% idle
CPU7 states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system, 
0.0% interrupt,  100% idle
Memory: Real: 130M/640M act/tot  Free: 3290M  Swap:
0K/512M used/tot

  PID USERNAME PRI NICE  SIZE   RES STATEWAIT
TIMECPU COMMAND
 3501 root  100   25M   15M sleep/2  nanosl  
8:30  2.15% perl
30343 _squid 20 5076K 7516K sleep/0  poll
0:02  0.00% squid
10251 _pflogd40  464K  444K sleep/0  bpf 
0:00  0.00% pflogd
11953 root   20 2200K 3632K sleep/0  select  
0:01  0.00% httpd
 9056 root   20 1452K 2288K sleep/0  select  
0:00  0.00% sendmail
16001 root   20  548K  924K idle select  
0:02  0.00% cron
  680 _syslogd   20  340K  840K sleep/0  poll
0:00  0.00% syslogd
20672 root  100   95M   81M sleep/0  nanosl  
0:00  0.00% perl
 9326 support   180  536K  576K sleep/0  pause   
0:00  0.00% ksh
 7664 named  20 3228K 4052K sleep/0  select  
0:00  0.00% named
11355 root   20  564K 1796K idle select  
0:00  0.00% sshd
27492 root   20  988K 1304K sleep/0  select  
0:00  0.00% nmbd
1 root  100  448K  392K idle wait
0:00  0.00% init
 2862 root   20  308K  732K idle netio   
0:00  0.00% syslogd
20860 root   20  312K  844K idle select  
0:00  0.00% inetd




OpenBSD 3.8-stable (GENERIC.MP) #1: Tue Jan 17
04:13:56 EST 2006
real mem = 4226850816 (4127784K)
avail mem = 3632709632 (3547568K)
using 22937 buffers containing 422891520 bytes
(412980K) of memory
mainbus0 (root)
mainbus0: Intel MP Specification (Version 1.4) (AMD   
  HAMMER  )
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 885, 2606.31 MHz
cpu0:
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW
cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way
D-cache, 1MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache
cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB
entries fully associative
cpu0: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB
entries fully associative
cpu0: apic clock running at 200454612Hz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu1: AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 885, 2605.91 MHz
cpu1:
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW
cpu1: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way
D-cache, 1MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache
cpu1: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB
entries fully associative
cpu1: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB
entries fully associative
cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor)
cpu2: AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 885, 2605.91 MHz
cpu2:
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW
cpu2: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way
D-cache, 1MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache
cpu2: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB
entries fully associative
cpu2: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB
entries fully associative
cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 3 (application processor)
cpu3: AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 885, 2605.91 MHz
cpu3:
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW
cpu3: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way
D-cache, 1MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache
cpu3: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB
entries fully associative
cpu3: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB
entries fully associative
cpu4 at mainbus0: apid 4 (application processor)
cpu4: AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 885, 2605.91 MHz
cpu4:
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW
cpu4: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way
D-cache, 1MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache
cpu4: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB
entries fully associative
cpu4: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB
entries fully associative
cpu5 at mainbus0: apid 5 (application processor)
cpu5: AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 885, 2605.91 MHz
cpu5:

Re: rc.conf.local update_motd=NO

2006-04-19 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 03:50:45PM -0300, Eduardo Alvarenga wrote:
 Some companies ask sysadmins to put a specific message of the day for
 many purposes, this patch might become handy in such situations.

Did you read motd(5)?



Re: i just have to share this with you guys...

2006-04-19 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 11:00:59AM -0700, Joe Advisor wrote:
 load averages:  0.78,  0.76,  0.75
  14:00:32
 61 processes:  51 idle, 9 zombie, 1 on processor
 CPU0 states:  0.6% user,  0.0% nice,  3.0% system, 

 CPU7 states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system, 
 0.0% interrupt,  100% idle
 Memory: Real: 130M/640M act/tot  Free: 3290M  Swap:
 0K/512M used/tot

 OpenBSD 3.8-stable (GENERIC.MP) #1: Tue Jan 17
 04:13:56 EST 2006

 cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB
 entries fully associative
 cpu0: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB
 entries fully associative
 cpu0: apic clock running at 200454612Hz

 hifn0 at pci1 dev 4 function 0 Hifn 7955/7954 rev
 0x00: LZS 3DES ARC4 MD5 SHA1 RNG AES PK, 32KB dram,
 apic 8 int 16 (irq 11)

Don't you think that hifn(4) is slightly... redundant?

Otherwise, neat toy. Where do I get one, and do you know any banks that
don't lock their vaults at night around here? ;-)

Seriously, though - what are you going to throw that much power at?

Joachim



Re: rc.conf.local update_motd=NO

2006-04-19 Thread Eduardo Alvarenga
 Just leave the first two lines of motd intact, add you local motd after
 the two first lines, and your message will not be touched.

The patch prevents rc from adding these two lines into the motd file.
What I want is to not show information about the system and *JUST* my
personal motd, for security purposes and to follow the company's
policy.

All I am asking is that if it is possible to commit upstream, It might
become very handy and IMHO has minimal impact -- and of course should
be disabled or even hidden from users by default.

And yes, I have read motd(5).


Regards,

--
Eduardo Alvarenga



Re: Via EPIA boards

2006-04-19 Thread Damian Gerow
Thus spake Timo Schoeler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [18/04/06 08:33]:
: hm. somehow missing ECC et al. keeps me from deploying such systems on
: a regular basis... even when they're 'only' x86.

The systems, as much as I love 'em, are missing a few crucial 'features':

1) Proper RAID support
2) 3+ NIC support
3) 802.11 support
4) ECC memory

Though you can have, with a PCI slot, RAID, *or* 3+ NIC, *or* 802.11, you
can't get 'em all.  It would also be nice if their DP line eventually hit
the market...



Problem with Intel 2200BG and PC-engines WRAP

2006-04-19 Thread Risto Varanka
Hello,

I am trying to use the Intel 2200BG mini-PCI WLAN card with the PC Engines 
WRAP.1E-2 board (http://www.pcengines.ch/wrap.htm). My problem is that the card 
seems not to be recognized by the kernel/iwi driver - no iwi device appears 
when booting/in dmesg. I wonder if anybody has experience in using this 
particular hardware combination?

This is with OpenBSD 3.8 (stable) and Flashdist 20050612. My kernel config is a 
NET4801 (originally for Soekris boards but works fine on this one) with slight 
modification to include the line for the iwi device. I am installing the 2.3 
version of the 2200BG firmware files on the WRAP box:

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wsrc6472 Apr 14 00:52 etc/firmware/iwi-boot
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  wsrc  191142 Apr 14 00:52 etc/firmware/iwi-bss
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  wsrc  185660 Apr 14 00:52 etc/firmware/iwi-ibss
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  wsrc   12007 Apr 14 00:52 etc/firmware/iwi-license
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  wsrc  187836 Apr 14 00:52 etc/firmware/iwi-monitor
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wsrc   16334 Apr 14 00:52 etc/firmware/iwi-ucode-bss
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wsrc   16312 Apr 14 00:52 etc/firmware/iwi-ucode-ibss
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wsrc   16344 Apr 14 00:52 etc/firmware/iwi-ucode-monitor

Full kernel config below and console output while booting:

# OpenBSD config for networking on the Soekris Engineering
# net4801 embedded systems-
# [EMAIL PROTECTED]

machine i386# architecture, used by config; REQUIRED

#option NTP # hooks supporting the Network Time Protocol

option  DDB # in-kernel debugger
#option DDB_SAFE_CONSOLE # allow break into ddb during boot
#makeoptionsDEBUG=-g  # compile full symbol table
#makeoptionsPROF=-pg  # build profiled kernel
#option GPROF   # kernel profiling, kgmon(8)
option  DIAGNOSTIC  # internal consistency checks
option  KTRACE  # system call tracing, a la ktrace(1)
#option KMEMSTATS   # collect malloc(9) statistics

option  CRYPTO  # Cryptographic framework

option  FFS # UFS
option  MFS # Memory FS
#option FFS_SOFTUPDATES # Soft updates

option  TCP_SACK# Selective Acknowledgements for TCP
#option TCP_FACK# Forward Acknowledgements for TCP
option  TCP_SIGNATURE   # TCP MD5 Signatures, for BGP routing sessions

option  FDESC   # /dev/fd
option  FIFO# FIFOs; RECOMMENDED
option  KERNFS  # /kern
#option NULLFS  # loopback file system
option  PROCFS  # /proc
#option UMAPFS  # NULLFS + uid and gid remapping

option  INET# IP + ICMP + TCP + UDP
option  ALTQ# ALTQ base
#option ALTQ_NOPCC  # We don't have Pentium features on 486
# NOPCC may be necessary if the Geode's TSC is really as buggy as it sounds
#option INET6   # IPv6 (needs INET)
#option PULLDOWN_TEST   # use m_pulldown for IPv6 packet parsing
option  IPSEC   # IPsec
#option PPP_BSDCOMP # PPP BSD compression
#option PPP_DEFLATE

option  BOOT_CONFIG # add support for boot -c

#option I486_CPU
option  I586_CPU
#option I686_CPU

option  USER_PCICONF# user-space PCI configuration

#option KGDB# Remote debugger support; exclusive of DDB
#option KGDB_DEVNAME=\pccom\,KGDBADDR=0x2f8,KGDBRATE=9600

#option DUMMY_NOPS  # speed hack; recommended

# Work around -current breakage
option  PTRACE

maxusers32  # estimated number of users

config  bsd root on wd0a

mainbus0 at root

cpu0at mainbus0
bios0   at mainbus0
apm0at bios0 flags 0x   # flags 0x0101 to force protocol version 1.1
pcibios0 at bios0 flags 0x  # use 0x30 for a total verbose

isa0at mainbus0
isa0at pcib?
pci*at mainbus0

ohci*   at pci? # Open Host Controller
usb*at ohci?

#
# The MediaGX (Geode) uses a PIT clock at standard frequency so there is
# no special setting here like there is for the Elan SC520
#

option  PCCOMCONSOLE
option  CONSPEED=19200

option  PCIVERBOSE

uhub*   at usb? # USB Hubs
uhub*   at uhub?# USB Hubs
umodem* at uhub?# USB Modems/Serial
ucom*   at umodem?
#ubsa*  at uhub?# Belkin serial adapter
#ucom*  at ubsa?
#uftdi* at uhub?# FTDI FT8U100AX serial adapter
#ucom*  at uftdi?
#uplcom* at uhub?   # I/O DATA USB-RSAQ2 serial adapter
#ucom*  at uplcom?
#umct*  at uhub?# MCT USB-RS232 serial adapter
#ucom*  at umct?
#uaudio* at uhub?   # USB Audio
#umidi* at uhub?
#ulpt*  at uhub?# USB Printers
#umass* at uhub?# USB Mass Storage devices

Soekris running squil? Openbsd laptop

2006-04-19 Thread Pieter Baele
Hi,

I want to add a little box to my small network to learn about IDS
systems. Should a soekris 4501 be enough for such a task?
The logging can be done on a separate system.

Soekris/wrap boards are best known for their firewall/router or ap
possibilities, but what other things can they be useful for? What do you
use?

Last question: I am searching a cheap laptop capable of running Openbsd.
Weight, speed doesn't interest me, I only need a light wm (fluxbox or
icewm), some good editors and wifi. Any recommandations? I like the
Via-CPU systems, but the'are difficult buying here in Belgium/Europe
and I don't know if they run *BSD?

--
PieterB
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GNU/Linux User #310384 (Gentoo)
Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PGP (keyserver.net) 0x68881F36
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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had 
a name of signature.asc]



Re: Sguil soekris, openbsd laptop

2006-04-19 Thread Jason Dixon

On Apr 19, 2006, at 4:15 PM, Pieter Baele wrote:


Hi,

I want to add a little box to my small network to learn about IDS
systems. Should a soekris 4501 be enough for such a task?
The logging can be done on a separate system.


No, Soekris systems are not your best choice for this.  IDS systems  
use large amounts of CPU, which would quickly bog down the  
underpowered processor on these boxes.



Soekris/wrap boards are best known for their firewall/router or ap
possibilities, but what other things can they be useful for? What  
do you

use?


Personally, I use them for low-volume Firewall and VPN appliances.   
I'm not crazy about the sis chips on these, so I prefer stuff like  
the A-Series 19 servers from Iron Systems for high[er]-volume activity.


P.S.  This is really not a tech@ question, it should be on [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
Redirecting as such.


--
Jason Dixon
DixonGroup Consulting
http://www.dixongroup.net



install sets as packages

2006-04-19 Thread Will H. Backman
As no answer came up after a little searching on google and the openbsd
FAQ...
Would there be a benefit to use the pkg_ tools to install and manage the
install sets?  The pkg_ tools seem to be a fairly elegent system.
So if money and time and developers grew on trees, would it be a
reasonable goal?  Just a simple design question.

Yes, the installer works, so why fix what isn't broke.
Yes, I'm a regular user asking other people to do work. (actually, I'm
not asking for anything except knowledge).
Yes, the package management system may not fit on the install floppy.
I sure hope I didn't miss the FAQ entry that already answers this
question.

-- Will



Re: Set up root partition as read only.

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel A. Ramaley
On Friday 14 April 2006 22:17, you wrote:
To increase the security level of my OpenBSD system I have defined at
/etc/fstab that the root partition should be read only.

That won't increase your security level much, but if you really want to 
make / read-only, there is more involved. (I recently did this on a 
machine with a flash drive instead of a standard hard drive in order to 
save wear on the flash.) To start with, read and understand /etc/rc and 
mfs(8). Convert /dev and /var to be on memory file systems (pay 
attention to -P in mfs(8)). Then edit /etc/rc and comment out the lines 
that mount /, /usr, and /var, and the lines that 
rewrite /etc/resolv.conf.

If you need more information than this, Google is your friend. I also 
have a more detailed HOWTO-style document that i wrote that i would be 
willing to share off-list, though you might learn more if you do your 
own research instead.


Dan RamaleyDial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540Des Moines IA 50311 USA



Re: install sets as packages

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Ouellet

Will H. Backman wrote:

Would there be a benefit to use the pkg_ tools to install and manage the
install sets?


I fail to see the point of it really. The install set is done at install 
time, or to add it if you miss it at the install.


Plus packages tools is there to take care of dependency, etc. To remove 
all applications and add new one, or upgraded one.


The install set are for the system and if there is upgrade to it, it's a 
patch.


You wouldn't want someone to do:

sudo pkg_delete etc39.tgz

or

sudo pkg_delete base39.tgz

for example would you?

If so, I wonder how you would still use the server?



Re: install sets as packages

2006-04-19 Thread Theo de Raadt
Would there be a benefit to use the pkg_ tools to install and manage the
install sets?

Good luck fitting the pkg_tools and perl onto the install floppies.



Re: HP DX2000?

2006-04-19 Thread Chris Cappuccio
the chances of a plain jane, old celeron box not being supported are pretty
slim

Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anybody running OpenBSD on a HP DX2000 who can share results?
 
 A cheap microtower Celeron w/PATA, happens to be what the client has to spare,
 I'm hoping there are no hidden gotchas.  I don't need X.
 
 Tried NYCBUG's dmesgd, no results.
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Kevin

-- 
The map is not the territory; the word is not the thing defined.



Re: i just have to share this with you guys...

2006-04-19 Thread Nick Nauwelaerts
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:00:59 -0700 (PDT)
Joe Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 CPU0 states:  0.6% user,  0.0% nice,  3.0% system, 
 0.0% interrupt, 96.4% idle
 CPU1 states:  0.2% user,  0.0% nice,  1.2% system, 
 0.0% interrupt, 98.6% idle
 CPU2 states:  0.2% user,  0.0% nice,  1.0% system, 
 0.0% interrupt, 98.8% idle
 CPU3 states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  2.4% system, 
 0.0% interrupt, 97.6% idle
 CPU4 states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system, 
 0.0% interrupt,  100% idle
 CPU5 states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.6% system, 
 0.0% interrupt, 99.4% idle
 CPU6 states:  0.4% user,  0.0% nice,  0.2% system, 
 0.0% interrupt, 99.4% idle
 CPU7 states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system, 
 0.0% interrupt,  100% idle
 Memory: Real: 130M/640M act/tot  Free: 3290M  Swap:
 0K/512M used/tot

Nice, my 4 socket dual core opteron (hp bl45p) panics whenever I try to
scp something to it. And because it doesn't have much in video hardware
save java-web based stuff I can't even get a decent trace out of it.

// nick



Re: pppoe

2006-04-19 Thread Brendan Grossman
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Arnaud Bergeron
 Sent: Wednesday, 19 April 2006 9:57 AM
 To: misc@openbsd.org
 Cc: Brendan Grossman
 Subject: Re: pppoe
 
 On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 11:52:47AM +0930, Brendan Grossman wrote:
  Hi everyone
 
  To bring up a pppoe connection, I use ppp -ddial provider
 
  But how do I take it down?
 
  Also how do I remove old tunx devices?
 
  # ifconfig
  tun0: flags=8051UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 1492
  inet 219.90.xxx.xxx -- 203.2.124.224 netmask 0x
  Opened by PID 71830
  tun1: flags=8010POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST mtu 1500
  tun2: flags=8010POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST mtu 1500
  inet 219.90.xxx.xxx -- 219.90.174.215 netmask 0x
 
  What the? How do I get rid of the others? tun0 seems to be 
 only in use 
  there.
 
 It seems strange to me that you have this problem because I 
 once had a setup similar to yours (under 3.4-3.5-3.6) and 
 never had this problem.
  Maybe you did not do something right, maybe it's a bug but 
 without showing more info one can only guess.
 
 The info required here would be the version you are running, 
 your ppp.conf file (sanitized to remove passwords, of course) 
 and your linkup and linkdown script if they contain anything.
 
 On another topic, if you are running 3.7 or higher, you could 
 give the in-kernel pppoe a try, unless, of course, you have 
 already tried and some wierd thing your provider is doing 
 prevents it from working.

Hi Arnaud,

Running 3.8-stable

# linkup
MYADDR:
 ! sh -c /sbin/pfctl -e -F all -f /etc/pf.conf

No linkdown

# ppp.conf
default:
 set log Phase Chat IPCP CCP tun command
 set redial 15 0
 set reconnect 15 1
isp:
 set device !/usr/sbin/pppoe -i bce0
 disable acfcomp protocomp
 deny acfcomp
 set mtu max 1492
 set speed sync
 enable lqr
 set lqrperiod 5
 set cd 5
 set dial
 set login
 set timeout 0
 set authname [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 set authkey 
 add! default HISADDR
 #enable dns
 enable mssfixup

Cheers
Brendan



Problem authenticating OpenBSD to a Windows 2003 Server

2006-04-19 Thread Didier Caamaño
Greetings:

I have a small Windows network and I'm trying to implement an OpenBSD box to
be my file server and print server. What I'm trying to accomplish is:
configure Samba to publish the share directories so the users can store their
files there but at the same time authenticate the users against the Domain
Controller, pulling the account information from AD and not having to manually
add that info with smbpasswd.

Kerberos, as far as I know, is working fine, at least it tries to connect to
the realm, but then it gives a Password Incorrect Message. I know many of you
will respond that I am typing the password incorrectly, first I thought that
too, but then I went and tried the account in a windows client and it worked.

If it is of any help, I downloaded and installed Samba with LDAP support and
created the computer account in the Windows AD.

This is my krb5.conf file

[libdefaults]
# Set the realm of this host here
default_realm = DOMAIN.COM
ticket_lifetime = 6
clockskew = 300

[realms]
DOMAIN.COM = {
kdc = 10.0.0.1
kdc = 10.0.0.1:88
admin_server = 10.0.0.1:749
}

[domain_realm]
.domain.com = DOMAIN.COM
domain.com = DOMAIN.COM


and this is the command I'm issuing in order to get tickets from the KDC (the
domain controller)

Code:

# kinit [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s Password:
kinit: Password incorrect


Any help or hint of how I might connect to kerberos will be appreciated,
probably there's something I'm doing wrong or I'm missing. Thank you all in
advance.



Didier Caamaqo

Director Departamento Informatica

Sociedad Comercial Electrocenter Ltda.

Correo Electrsnico: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Telifono: 02 - 584 - 7039



Re: Problem authenticating OpenBSD to a Windows 2003 Server

2006-04-19 Thread Maxim Bourmistrov
As Kerberos - The Definitive Guide by O'Reilly states:
...  as long as the users have DES keys enabled in AD, they will be able to 
kinit to the Windows DC without a problem ...

On Wednesday 19 April 2006 23:41, Didier Caamaqo wrote:
 Greetings:
 
 I have a small Windows network and I'm trying to implement an OpenBSD box to
 be my file server and print server. What I'm trying to accomplish is:
 configure Samba to publish the share directories so the users can store their
 files there but at the same time authenticate the users against the Domain
 Controller, pulling the account information from AD and not having to manually
 add that info with smbpasswd.
 
 Kerberos, as far as I know, is working fine, at least it tries to connect to
 the realm, but then it gives a Password Incorrect Message. I know many of you
 will respond that I am typing the password incorrectly, first I thought that
 too, but then I went and tried the account in a windows client and it worked.
 
 If it is of any help, I downloaded and installed Samba with LDAP support and
 created the computer account in the Windows AD.
 
 This is my krb5.conf file
 
 [libdefaults]
 # Set the realm of this host here
 default_realm = DOMAIN.COM
 ticket_lifetime = 6
 clockskew = 300
 
 [realms]
 DOMAIN.COM = {
 kdc = 10.0.0.1
 kdc = 10.0.0.1:88
 admin_server = 10.0.0.1:749
 }
 
 [domain_realm]
 .domain.com = DOMAIN.COM
 domain.com = DOMAIN.COM
 
 
 and this is the command I'm issuing in order to get tickets from the KDC (the
 domain controller)
 
 Code:
 
 # kinit [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s Password:
 kinit: Password incorrect
 
 
 Any help or hint of how I might connect to kerberos will be appreciated,
 probably there's something I'm doing wrong or I'm missing. Thank you all in
 advance.
 
 
 
 Didier Caamaqo
 
 Director Departamento Informatica
 
 Sociedad Comercial Electrocenter Ltda.
 
 Correo Electrsnico: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Telifono: 02 - 584 - 7039



Re: i just have to share this with you guys...

2006-04-19 Thread Steve Shockley

Nick Nauwelaerts wrote:

Nice, my 4 socket dual core opteron (hp bl45p) panics whenever I try to
scp something to it. And because it doesn't have much in video hardware
save java-web based stuff I can't even get a decent trace out of it.


Sure you can, just ssh into the ilo and connect to the serial console.

http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/DocumentIndex.jsp?contentType=SupportManuallocale=en_USdocIndexId=179166taskId=101prodTypeId=15351prodSeriesId=397989

or

http://tinyurl.com/4jzzd

Look for Integrated Lights-Out Virtual Serial Port configuration and 
operation HOWTO, it's a PDF, sorry.




GoDaddy.com Donates $10K to Open Source Development Project

2006-04-19 Thread Melameth, Daniel D.
Congratulations to the team...


'Bob Parsons, GoDaddy.com Founder and CEO commented, ''OpenSSH and the
work of the OpenBSD project volunteers are integral to online security.
Go Daddy is pleased to be able to help them continue their great
contributions to the Internet community. At Go Daddy, we use OpenSSH
extensively to manage our large and rapidly expanding technical
infrastructure. Our engineering staff relies on it on a constant basis.
Go Daddy is very grateful and we want to show our appreciation to this
extremely vital organization.'''

http://www.thehostingnews.com/article2217.html



Re: Via EPIA board/box

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel A. Ramaley
On Saturday 15 April 2006 20:03, Steve B wrote:
 I've seen a number of posts on various OBSD
 related sites about these Via EPIA boards and their various benefits
 - low power, hardware crypto, etc. They look like a nice replacement
 for my old board so I've been looking around at logicsupply.com,
 idotpc.com and mini-itx.com. There are probably other sites so if
 you've got them please share g.

I've recently ordered a couple machines from www.solarpc.com. If you 
want the machine to be almost silent, then i suggest either getting one 
of the machines with a fanless CPU, or getting one with a fan in a 2U 
case and then replacing the 40mm fan with a 40 to 60mm adapter and an 
undervolted 60mm fan; the 40mm fan that comes with the CPU is rated to 
be very quiet but if you are moderately intolerant of noise then the 
default fan really won't seem quiet. Other than having to replace the 
fan as described, i have been very happy with the machines. They run 
OpenBSD very well. I even installed the x.org packages on one just for 
the heck of it (it was my first time trying to run X on OpenBSD) and X 
supported the built-in graphics without any manual configuration.


Dan RamaleyDial Center 118, Drake University
Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave
+1 515 271-4540Des Moines IA 50311 USA



Re: GoDaddy.com Donates $10K to Open Source Development Project

2006-04-19 Thread Greg Thomas
On 4/19/06, Melameth, Daniel D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Congratulations to the team...


 'Bob Parsons, GoDaddy.com Founder and CEO commented, ''OpenSSH and the
 work of the OpenBSD project volunteers are integral to online security.
 Go Daddy is pleased to be able to help them continue their great
 contributions to the Internet community. At Go Daddy, we use OpenSSH
 extensively to manage our large and rapidly expanding technical
 infrastructure. Our engineering staff relies on it on a constant basis.
 Go Daddy is very grateful and we want to show our appreciation to this
 extremely vital organization.'''


That's awesome news.  And all the more pathetic that the
$353,000,000,000 company I work for can't be bothered to donate a
dime.

Greg



Re: GoDaddy.com Donates $10K to Open Source Development Project

2006-04-19 Thread Nick Guenther
On 4/19/06, Melameth, Daniel D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Congratulations to the team...

 http://www.thehostingnews.com/article2217.html

Hmm? Hopefully it seems that Mozilla's donation has kicked off a
scrambling of companies to buy bragging rights about donating to
OpenBSD. Yay?

-Nick



Re: GoDaddy.com Donates $10K to Open Source Development Project

2006-04-19 Thread Theo de Raadt
  Congratulations to the team...
 
  http://www.thehostingnews.com/article2217.html
 
 Hmm? Hopefully it seems that Mozilla's donation has kicked off a
 scrambling of companies to buy bragging rights about donating to
 OpenBSD. Yay?

A few things with a few vendors and larger company-users are moving
ahead.

All the Linux companies have said no.

As some of you have heard before, Sun has said no because they
consider OpenSSH to be a competitor to OpenSSH.  Just can't make
some of this stuff up

Some people have been helping me talk to quite a few vendors, and
while a few things are moving ahead some of the results are
quite disgusting.



Re: GoDaddy.com Donates $10K to Open Source Development Project

2006-04-19 Thread Melameth, Daniel D.
Nick Guenther wrote:
 On 4/19/06, Melameth, Daniel D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Congratulations to the team...
  
  http://www.thehostingnews.com/article2217.html
 
 Hmm? Hopefully it seems that Mozilla's donation has kicked off a
 scrambling of companies to buy bragging rights about donating to
 OpenBSD. Yay?

Hopefully you're right.  IMHO, the PR alone--and related patronization
from open source savvy consumers that believe in supporting open source
friendly companies--would make the 10 grand a bargain and provide for an
ROI most businesses only dream of.



Re: GoDaddy.com Donates $10K to Open Source Development Project

2006-04-19 Thread Nick Guenther
On 4/19/06, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A few things with a few vendors and larger company-users are moving
 ahead.

 All the Linux companies have said no.

 As some of you have heard before, Sun has said no because they
 consider OpenSSH to be a competitor to OpenSSH.  Just can't make
 some of this stuff up

Do you mean SunSSH or is that actually the truth?

 Some people have been helping me talk to quite a few vendors, and
 while a few things are moving ahead some of the results are
 quite disgusting.

Sounds depressing. I'm really not what sure to say. I could cheer you
on, but I'm sure it wouldn't come out right so I'm just going to not.

-Nick



Re: GoDaddy.com Donates $10K to Open Source Development Project

2006-04-19 Thread Theo de Raadt
  As some of you have heard before, Sun has said no because they
  consider OpenSSH to be a competitor to OpenSSH.  Just can't make
  some of this stuff up
 
 Do you mean SunSSH or is that actually the truth?

Oops:

As some of you have heard before, Sun has said no because they
consider OpenSSH to be a competitor to SunSSH (which is based on
older OpenSSH code, but with pre-auth privsep disabled, meaning
perhaps 30,000 lines of code run as root, at connection time).

  Some people have been helping me talk to quite a few vendors, and
  while a few things are moving ahead some of the results are
  quite disgusting.
 
 Sounds depressing. I'm really not what sure to say. I could cheer you
 on, but I'm sure it wouldn't come out right so I'm just going to not.

Don't cheer us on.  Help us -- by contacting vendors directly.



Re: Via EPIA board/box

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Ouellet

On Saturday 15 April 2006 20:03, Steve B wrote:
I've seen a number of posts on various OBSD
related sites about these Via EPIA boards and their various benefits
- low power, hardware crypto, etc. They look like a nice replacement
for my old board so I've been looking around at logicsupply.com,
idotpc.com and mini-itx.com. There are probably other sites so if
you've got them please share g.


I don't know if they are good or not, but just came across this today. 
Actually just a few minutes ago. I don't know more then this.


http://www.liantec.com/

But the EMB-3640 and the EMB-5840 sure does look small and low AC power, 
needed, but sure look like you can get a lots of CPU power in some model.


I know I will read more on this one.

Just doing what you asked, passing it around, but that's all I can say 
about it.




Re: rc.conf.local update_motd=NO

2006-04-19 Thread Lars Hansson
On Thursday 20 April 2006 03:42, Eduardo Alvarenga wrote:
  Just leave the first two lines of motd intact, add you local motd after
  the two first lines, and your message will not be touched.

 The patch prevents rc from adding these two lines into the motd file.
 What I want is to not show information about the system and *JUST* my
 personal motd, for security purposes and to follow the company's
 policy.

What security purposes? You have local users who you dont trust to know the 
operating system? Users who cant run uname?


Lars Hansson