Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
Hi, On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.orgwrote: On 2009-08-13, Nice Daemon nicedae...@googlemail.com wrote: inet xx.yyy.253.225 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 255.255.255.255 (this is carp IP in upstream VLAN, AFTER your hint) that's definitely wrong, you ended up setting your broadcast address to 255.255.255.255 instead of setting the netmask. most likely you got bitten by the different syntax between ifconfig(8) and hostname.if(5). I use the format inet 11.22.33.44/28 in hostname.if which I find much easier to work with. okay, now I've tried to use the CIDR notation (which I usually use anyways, but not in this case, mainly due to historical reasons or because I never did that on any OS before). This now works and gives me the correct netmask of 255.255.255.240 (set before) or /28. However, the man page of hostname.if(5) states: STATIC ADDRESS CONFIGURATION The following three hostname.* formats are valid for configuring network interfaces with static addresses: Regular IPv4 network setup: inet [alias] addr netmask broadcast_addr options dest dest_addr So, inet 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0 NONE should be equal to inet 192.168.1.1/24 NONE However, this was exactly NOT the case in my setup. Here, stating 255.255.255.255 on the 'netmask' value led to a /8 (or 0xff00) address and broadcast set to 255.255.255.255, for whatever reason. Thanks, Joe
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
Hi, On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.dewrote: * Nice Daemon nicedae...@googlemail.com [2009-08-13 17:00]: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote: * Nice Daemon nicedae...@googlemail.com [2009-08-13 16:33]: inet xx.yyy.253.225 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 255.255.255.255 (this is carp IP in upstream VLAN, AFTER your hint) it might be after my hint, but you didn't follow my advice. I did. apparently not. I was tempted to upload a screenshot (harder to manipulate by me than simple ASCII output) and sending a link as a proof that it exactly happened as stated in the email written five minutes ago. I *was* tempted. inet xx.yyy.253.225 netmask 0xff00 this is /8 aka 255.0.0.0. Very obviously, yes. All /etc/hostname.carpN have the appropriate, namely this: they don't get magically re-parsed at runtime tho. I never told that I assumed this. ifconfig gives me the output I posted, however. and ifconfig tells the truth, of course. Of couse. However, the logic chain of hostname.if(5)'s behaviour is still not closed. Nevertheless the issue is solved for me (I was being forced to act like this, as can be read below). But, and this is very unfortunate, I was again (the fourth time) affirmed that the OpenBSD folks have some problems. First, the very harsh atmosphere that prevails on the mailing lists. Second, that coders (like you, Henning) feel like 'Gods', untouchable (I never had any intention in this) and 'above all others', which leads to the above mentioned tone or harsh atmosphere. Third, your advice -- to call it a such -- did not help, it was just an email sent by you like a broadcast ``I'm still here and folks, listen to me!'', just like the behaviour of a child suffering from ADHD. Fourth, the assumption that ``bugs don't exist in the OpenBSD universe''. This is a very nice, however foot-shooting assumption. Concluding from all this, I *had* planned to purchase both two 4.5 release sets (as one load balancer will be based on 4.5) as well as 4.6 sets (and the following ones, for the updates). Furthermore, I wanted to do this for every single machine being deployed from now in form of a donation (we had planned to provide OpenBSD root servers in the next few monts, besides servers running NetBSD, FreeBSD, CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSolaris, etc.), that is send the money, but don't get a set (which would just produce more waste). However, I have the very strong feeling inside my head that I don't want to do this. I don't want to pay people (the OpenBSD guys) to insult me or legion of other people. And I don't want to support a project in any ways by running, selling, or propagating their product (in this case, OpenBSD). It's the same as with Coca Cola -- why should I support a company shooting employees and their families in South America? This feeling gets stronger and stronger every time something like this happens to me or to other people (what can be seen on a fairly regular basis lurking on the list). The solution to this would be very easy: Be nice. Best regards, Joe (saving some money, maybe giving it to other projects instead. You seem to have enough.) -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting - Hamburg Amsterdam
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Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
On 2009/08/14 08:20, Nice Daemon wrote: Hi, On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.orgwrote: On 2009-08-13, Nice Daemon nicedae...@googlemail.com wrote: inet xx.yyy.253.225 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 255.255.255.255 (this is carp IP in upstream VLAN, AFTER your hint) that's definitely wrong, you ended up setting your broadcast address to 255.255.255.255 instead of setting the netmask. most likely you got bitten by the different syntax between ifconfig(8) and hostname.if(5). I use the format inet 11.22.33.44/28 in hostname.if which I find much easier to work with. okay, now I've tried to use the CIDR notation (which I usually use anyways, but not in this case, mainly due to historical reasons or because I never did that on any OS before). This now works and gives me the correct netmask of 255.255.255.240 (set before) or /28. However, the man page of hostname.if(5) states: STATIC ADDRESS CONFIGURATION The following three hostname.* formats are valid for configuring network interfaces with static addresses: Regular IPv4 network setup: inet [alias] addr netmask broadcast_addr options dest dest_addr So, inet 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0 NONE should be equal to inet 192.168.1.1/24 NONE if you're using that format, you need to have it like I wrote, without NONE. just inet 192.168.1.1/24. However, this was exactly NOT the case in my setup. Here, stating 255.255.255.255 on the 'netmask' value led to a /8 (or 0xff00) address and broadcast set to 255.255.255.255, for whatever reason. I think you'll need to show the exact line if you want to find out why. (Or add some set -x to the netstart shell script and watch how it runs..)
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
First, the very harsh atmosphere that prevails on the mailing lists. You know, you have an option available to you regarding this. You could come to the conclusion that you are not entitled and stop posting, and it will work out better in the long term. I did not read anything more you said.
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
Hi Theo :D On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.orgwrote: First, the very harsh atmosphere that prevails on the mailing lists. You know, you have an option available to you regarding this. I know. Thanks for this redundant hint. One word: ADHD. You could come to the conclusion that you are not entitled and stop posting, and it will work out better in the long term. Thanks for tho wise spake, our enlightened god! (What will not work out in the long term is barking at people and expect them to send you money. This topic is not new, as the archives show: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2007-11/0347.html (this is a long one and also cares about the tone and donations and many many more.) I did not read anything more you said. Well, Theo, you lie. You did read the entire email as you'd be the only human being on the planet in case you did not (there's a word for it: curiosity). You just don't have the balls. Joe
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
Can you please leave?
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.orgwrote: Can you please leave? Can you please force me?
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
Can you please leave? Can you please force me? Honestly are you really that stupid to not understand when your welcome? No, I'm certainly not stupid. I'm just *re*acting (to remind you; in case you are actually able to *read*, you should already know it). People (Henning, Theo) started to bark at me when I asked for help. They didn't provide any help, they just needed someone to throw their words at. Seems like they have a severe need for psycho analysis (but hey, this is well-known throughout the net for Theo!). I don't think that this is normal behaviour, and I don't think that people appreciate it being treated like this. It seems (for years and years) that this is your (OpenBSD's developers/communities/whatever) attitude, so be it. But don't think that people being insulted will actually give donations to you or pay money to buy a CD/DVD set. They will (at max) use your software and never return anything back to you (the project) because they know, out of their own memories, because they read the list or because they read about this on other places, that you will insult them. You are the kids that nobody wants to play with. That nobody wants to fall in love with, that will die alone. Unloved. But it would be so easy to change: Just say 'hi!' instead of 'what do you motherfucking prick want?!'. :) Do you think anybody likes to help a prick like you? The OpenBSD mailing list is the only place I don't seem to be welcome. And guess what: I can live with it. Proudly. Joe -- :wq Claudio
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
No, I'm certainly not stupid. I'm just *re*acting (to remind you; in case you are actually able to *read*, you should already know it). People (Henning, Theo) started to bark at me when I asked for help. They didn't provide any help, they just needed someone to throw their words at. Seems like they have a severe need for psycho analysis We really are not interested in the story of your life. But don't think that people being insulted will actually give donations to you or pay money to buy a CD/DVD set So you presume. Yet people do so every day. Someone did so 3 minutes after your post, perhaps to balance out the karma of the universe. There are people out there who are able to live their lives without feeling entitled. People who realize that the people who do the work in their own environment can act however they want in their own environment. And if you don't like it, boo hoo, mr. anonymous. You probably rape children in your spare time, and here you are, yelling at us for violating your perceived entitlement. Now, again, please leave. If you wish to stop being regarded as a prick, only you can help yourself now.
Re: rwhod on 4.5
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 05:31:43PM -0400, Hugo Villeneuve wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 04:12:27PM -0400, stan wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 05:54:37PM +0530, Siju George wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:33 PM, stanst...@panix.com wrote: We are in the process of upgrading a number of machines from 4.2 to 4.5. upgrades are supported fromrelease to release so 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 OK, so I am sloppy with my wording. This is not actually an upgrade, but we are instead building replacement machines, and moving over the config files. So it's not an _upgrade_ as such issue, but a diffrenece in observed behavior between 4.2, and 4.5. The 4.5 rwhod doesn't even send anything on the network, that makes it very hard for other daemon to gather your info. Claudio seem to have made a fix for 4.6. I don't run a rwhod on a regular basis but the one I compiled from the 4.6 source does send reports on the network. If you have the source tree. cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/rwhod cvs up -rOPENBSD_4_6 -PAd make obj make clean make depend make make install (You might want to test /usr/src/usr.sbin/rwhod/obj/rwhod before the make install just to see if it resolve your issue.) Thanks for the help on this. -- One of the main causes of the fall of the roman empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs.
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Nice Daemonnicedae...@googlemail.com wrote: ... No, I'm certainly not stupid. I'm just *re*acting (to remind you; in case you are actually able to *read*, you should already know it). People (Henning, Theo) started to bark at me when I asked for help. They didn't provide any help, they just needed someone to throw their words at. They told you your config was wrong and pointed at what you did provide (ifconfig output) to show that. I made the mistake of checking with you off-list and helping you find what was wrong. Answer: your hostname.carp0 was wrong. It didn't match any of the templates or examples in the hostname.if(5) manpage. So, your assertion that your config was correct was based on an incorrect belief. I don't think that this is normal behaviour, and I don't think that people appreciate it being treated like this. I don't appreciate helping someone only to have them *continue* to rant and fail to describe for the archive what the problem and solution were (so much for looking out for other random users). Saying huh, I guess I misread that manpage would be nice. Some would apologize, and I think the better of them for it. Instead, you'll not even mention that you got your answer but rather piss in the teapot and have the gall to complain about other people's attitudes. (For those wondering: if you leave off the 'inet' or 'inet6' prefix, the parsing of a hostname.if(5) line is probably not what you expect. Also, if you want to supply options you must either give *both* a netmask and broadcast field (possibly NONE) or neither.) But don't think that people being insulted will actually give donations to you or pay money to buy a CD/DVD set. They will (at max) use your software and never return anything back to you (the project) because they know, out of their own memories, because they read the list or because they read about this on other places, that you will insult them. I would rather work with Theo for the rest of my life then deal with another email from you. He's honest. Philip Guenther
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
No, I'm certainly not stupid. I'm just *re*acting (to remind you; in case you are actually able to *read*, you should already know it). People (Henning, Theo) started to bark at me when I asked for help. They didn't provide any help, they just needed someone to throw their words at. Seems like they have a severe need for psycho analysis We really are not interested in the story of your life. It's not my story, it's *your* story. How many millions of people laughed at you already, on slashdot etc.? But don't think that people being insulted will actually give donations to you or pay money to buy a CD/DVD set So you presume. Yet people do so every day. Someone did so 3 minutes after your post, perhaps to balance out the karma of the universe. Oh, 'someone'. Maybe it was DARPA? There are people out there who are able to live their lives without feeling entitled. People who realize that the people who do the work in their own environment can act however they want in their own environment. And if you don't like it, boo hoo, mr. anonymous. You still don't get it: Why don't you give away T-Shirts, CD/DVD sets etc for free, as it's your 'environment', totally out of this universe. Your electricity bill pays itself, so why do you try to sell your stuff? Most interestingly, the Ubuntu guys conquered many many computers (I know that you don't want that, but this is an *example*. Maybe you know what an *example* is, lil' Theo?) just by being 'nice'. They had a friendly attitude. You probably rape children in your spare time, This is obviously the point you enjoy to tell the world for the nth time that you're totally insane. Why don't you tell people that they're reincarnations of Adolf Hitler? and here you are, yelling at us for violating your perceived entitlement. It's not *my* 'perceived entitlement'. It's a global one. I'd really like to watch you in real life. I bet that it's a hard life being recognized by people to have the fear that in the next moment you get beaten out the shit out of you -- because your brain is obviously not able to understand discussions or spoken language, but as pain is understood even by the most primitive life forms it should be able you climb up to the level to receive it. Not understand, but receive. Now, again, please leave. If you wish to stop being regarded as a prick, only you can help yourself now. That's the enourmous advantage that I have over you: That you are a prick is well-known all over the net. Peace!
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Nice Daemon nicedae...@googlemail.com wrote:
You probably rape children in your spare time,
This is obviously the point you enjoy to tell the world for the nth time
that you're totally insane.
Why don't you tell people that they're reincarnations of Adolf Hitler?
Congratulations! Your are the proud winner of this thread!
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Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:31:38 +0200, Nice Daemon wrote: The OpenBSD mailing list is the only place I don't seem to be welcome. Some people are desperate for market share... What don't you understand about the oft expressed project aims of having an operating system for its developers? The fact that it is publically shared is just good luck for those who find it useful and have the nous to learn about it. Nobody forces you to use it and your noise looks like a crafted troll session by someone who is neither nice nor a dmon nor clueful enough to read the documentation and understand it. Take your whining elsewhere Loser. *** NOTE *** Please DO NOT CC me. I am subscribed to the list. Mail to the sender address that does not originate at the list server is tarpitted. The reply-to: address is provided for those who feel compelled to reply off list. Thankyou. Rod/ --- This life is not the real thing. It is not even in Beta. If it was, then OpenBSD would already have a man page for it.
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Philip Guenther guent...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Nice Daemonnicedae...@googlemail.com wrote: ... No, I'm certainly not stupid. I'm just *re*acting (to remind you; in case you are actually able to *read*, you should already know it). People (Henning, Theo) started to bark at me when I asked for help. They didn't provide any help, they just needed someone to throw their words at. They told you your config was wrong and pointed at what you did provide (ifconfig output) to show that. Henning barked. The ifconfig output was provided before (in the third message of the thread). I made the mistake of checking with you off-list and helping you find what was wrong. Answer: your hostname.carp0 was wrong. It didn't match any of the templates or examples in the hostname.if(5) manpage. So, your assertion that your config was correct was based on an incorrect belief. That is correct. But the point is: Even before you pointed me to this -- and I thank you very much, again, as I did in my email to you -- I was barked at (by Henning). This is the point, just check the archives or your MUA. I don't think that this is normal behaviour, and I don't think that people appreciate it being treated like this. I don't appreciate helping someone only to have them *continue* to rant I appreciate your help. You were the only one that was talking on a normal level. and fail to describe for the archive what the problem and solution were (so much for looking out for other random users). Saying huh, I guess I misread that manpage would be nice. I would certainly have done that in case there was no insulting before. But it was. Would you say 'Hey, sorry for being late' when you come to a date after you got nuked by the guy waiting for you? No. Some would apologize, and I think the better of them for it. True. But what about the fact that it'd be so easy even to avoid the *need* of apologies? Again: I didn't start. This may sound childish, but it's the level this list operates on. Instead, you'll not even mention that you got your answer but rather piss in the teapot and have the gall to complain about other people's attitudes. (For those wondering: if you leave off the 'inet' or 'inet6' prefix, the parsing of a hostname.if(5) line is probably not what you expect. Also, if you want to supply options you must either give *both* a netmask and broadcast field (possibly NONE) or neither.) But don't think that people being insulted will actually give donations to you or pay money to buy a CD/DVD set. They will (at max) use your software and never return anything back to you (the project) because they know, out of their own memories, because they read the list or because they read about this on other places, that you will insult them. I would rather work with Theo for the rest of my life then deal with another email from you. He's honest. I'm also honest -- honest in saying what pisses me off. I really like your opinion and your ability to do 'normal conversations'. However, this last sentence proves me wrong. You're huffy now. I can understand it, but it leads you (and Theo) in the wrong direction. Theo thinks that his developers do it for him. Maybe he doesn't realize it himself, but in his egomanie this is the root. Rather, the developers do it for fun, for the project and not to kiss Theo's ass, however much he wishes this would be the case. Another time, the world laughs at you. Best, Joe Philip Guenther
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Rod Whitworth glis...@witworx.com wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:31:38 +0200, Nice Daemon wrote: The OpenBSD mailing list is the only place I don't seem to be welcome. Some people are desperate for market share... What don't you understand about the oft expressed project aims of having an operating system for its developers? The fact that it is publically shared is just good luck for those who find it useful and have the nous to learn about it. Who pays the bills, or is asked for donations? To they talk to themselves? Nobody forces you to use it and your noise looks like a crafted troll session by someone who is neither nice nor a dmon nor clueful enough to read the documentation and understand it. Take your whining elsewhere Loser. *** NOTE *** Please DO NOT CC me. I am subscribed to the list. Mail to the sender address that does not originate at the list server is tarpitted. The reply-to: address is provided for those who feel compelled to reply off list. Thankyou. Rod/ --- This life is not the real thing. It is not even in Beta. If it was, then OpenBSD would already have a man page for it.
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Mattieu Baptiste mattie...@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Nice Daemon nicedae...@googlemail.com
wrote:
You probably rape children in your spare time,
This is obviously the point you enjoy to tell the world for the nth time
that you're totally insane.
Why don't you tell people that they're reincarnations of Adolf Hitler?
Congratulations! Your are the proud winner of this thread!
This was intended. Ever heard of rhetorics? Theo started, again, with
stating that 'you fuck children'.
http://catb.org/esr/jargon/html/G/Godwins-Law.html
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Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
Nice Daemon wrote: No, I'm certainly not stupid. Invariably the mark of someone who IS stupid. Longer version. If I am not stupid then I can say something intelligent to make the point. If the only thing I can come up with it to say I am not stupid, then that implies at least a total lack of imagination. This is from Microsoft Outlook and I am too lazy to wrap lines properly. Further, this thread is certainly not worth the minimal effort that that would require. I am stupid, most likely, but I am not THAT stupid.
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
* Nice Daemon nicedae...@googlemail.com [2009-08-14 08:48]: Second, that coders (like you, Henning) feel like 'Gods', untouchable (I never had any intention in this) and 'above all others', which leads to the above mentioned tone or harsh atmosphere. I could just have decided to not help you. You'd still be looking for the issue (unless somebody else gave you the same hint). I not only code this shit, I massively use it every day. I know that shit. And sorry, ifconfig does not fucking lie showing the netmask. bugs in openbsd? exist. but not printing a fucking netmask. what you consider harsh tone was very efficiently pointing you to the problem, without useless chatter (like this mail). -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting - Hamburg Amsterdam
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Tony Aberenthy t...@servacorp.com wrote: Nice Daemon wrote: No, I'm certainly not stupid. Invariably the mark of someone who IS stupid. Longer version. If I am not stupid then I can say something intelligent to make the point. The point was that Henning started insulting. If the only thing I can come up with it to say I am not stupid, then that implies at least a total lack of imagination. This is from Microsoft Outlook and I am too lazy to wrap lines properly. Further, this thread is certainly not worth the minimal effort that that would require. I am stupid, most likely, but I am not THAT stupid.
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The point is that you are a crybaby.
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
The point is that you are a crybaby. Yeah, and you have the biggest and strongest and most beautiful dick on the planet, and you spray tons of sperm on every female around. Ah, yeah, and onto your nieces and nephews, as you told to fuck children. OMG
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.dewrote: * Nice Daemon nicedae...@googlemail.com [2009-08-14 08:48]: Second, that coders (like you, Henning) feel like 'Gods', untouchable (I never had any intention in this) and 'above all others', which leads to the above mentioned tone or harsh atmosphere. I could just have decided to not help you. You'd still be looking for the issue (unless somebody else gave you the same hint). I'm very sorry do disappoint you, but I'd have found it (on my own). But it's nice of you to underestimate other people, as it fits in your role model. I don't mind. I not only code this shit, I massively use it every day. I know both of those facts. But none legitimates to be rude. Or is Woody Allen rude? He's probably much more important and much better known than you. No pun intended here! I know that shit. And sorry, ifconfig does not fucking lie showing the netmask. Perfect. bugs in openbsd? exist. but not printing a fucking netmask. what you consider harsh tone was very efficiently pointing you to the problem, without useless chatter (like this mail). 'Efficiency' means that you (as Theo does, too, as he wrote) just rape a female when you want to have kids. That is really efficient. So, girls, beware! -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting - Hamburg Amsterdam
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
No. The point is that you are stupid. Pretending to be otherwise is extremely insulting to my intelligence. Please stop insulting my intelligence. -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of Nice Daemon Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 5:55 AM To: t...@servacorp.com. Cc: Claudio Jeker; misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface? On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Tony Aberenthy t...@servacorp.com wrote: Nice Daemon wrote: No, I'm certainly not stupid. Invariably the mark of someone who IS stupid. Longer version. If I am not stupid then I can say something intelligent to make the point. The point was that Henning started insulting. If the only thing I can come up with it to say I am not stupid, then that implies at least a total lack of imagination. This is from Microsoft Outlook and I am too lazy to wrap lines properly. Further, this thread is certainly not worth the minimal effort that that would require. I am stupid, most likely, but I am not THAT stupid.
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Nice Daemonnicedae...@googlemail.com wrote: You are the kids that nobody wants to play with. That nobody wants to fall in love with, that will die alone. Unloved. But it would be so easy to change: Just say 'hi!' instead of 'what do you motherfucking prick want?!'. :) Nice, What you say is not true. Five - Six years ago when I cam to this list I knew nothing. Seeing me struggle one kind soul from this list sent me two of the OpenBSD books which I was not able to afford without me asking any one. Henning and other developers have helped me implement a lot of things hence and of course their answers were to the point. it is true there are a few on this list who dont care and is only interested in showing off but it is not true about Henning and others who you mention in your mail. Following this thread what i understand is that you didn't do what was told and you got upset about what you perceived as harsh tone when it was only people trying to help you. Now please dont say *nobody* I love this list with its shortcomings but there isn't one thing I haven't got help about from this list. Thanks --Siju
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
No. The point is that you are stupid. Pretending to be otherwise is extremely insulting to my intelligence. Please stop insulting my intelligence. You demonstrate being not able to read. People who are not able to read hardly carry any intelligence. -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of Nice Daemon Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 5:55 AM To: t...@servacorp.com. Cc: Claudio Jeker; misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface? On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Tony Aberenthy t...@servacorp.com wrote: Nice Daemon wrote: No, I'm certainly not stupid. Invariably the mark of someone who IS stupid. Longer version. If I am not stupid then I can say something intelligent to make the point. The point was that Henning started insulting. If the only thing I can come up with it to say I am not stupid, then that implies at least a total lack of imagination. This is from Microsoft Outlook and I am too lazy to wrap lines properly. Further, this thread is certainly not worth the minimal effort that that would require. I am stupid, most likely, but I am not THAT stupid.
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
I can read. The point is that it takes only a minimal amount of abiity in that regard to realize that you are 1. stupid 2. crybaby 3. seemingly devoid of any capacity for rational thought Nobody want to thoroughly research all your drivel to make any kind of point, minor or major. I am getting old and senile, but you seem to be the dumbest most irrelevant twerp I have ever encountered. I can read your statements sufficiently to infer that your ancestors were also incapable of carrying any intelligence. _ From: Nice Daemon [mailto:nicedae...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 6:17 AM To: t...@servacorp.com Cc: Claudio Jeker; misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface? No. The point is that you are stupid. Pretending to be otherwise is extremely insulting to my intelligence. Please stop insulting my intelligence. You demonstrate being not able to read. People who are not able to read hardly carry any intelligence. -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of Nice Daemon Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 5:55 AM To: t...@servacorp.com. Cc: Claudio Jeker; misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface? On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Tony Aberenthy t...@servacorp.com wrote: Nice Daemon wrote: No, I'm certainly not stupid. Invariably the mark of someone who IS stupid. Longer version. If I am not stupid then I can say something intelligent to make the point. The point was that Henning started insulting. If the only thing I can come up with it to say I am not stupid, then that implies at least a total lack of imagination. This is from Microsoft Outlook and I am too lazy to wrap lines properly. Further, this thread is certainly not worth the minimal effort that that would require. I am stupid, most likely, but I am not THAT stupid.
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
I'm very sorry do disappoint you, but I'd have found it (on my own). But it's nice of you to underestimate other people, as it fits in your role model. I don't mind. Then why didn't you? (find it on your own) The developers seem to have a rather precise idea of their own Competence and the limits thereof. You seem to think that somehow everybody else should cater to Your ignorance and incompetence. You seem even more stupid than the Microsofties.
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:55:03PM +0200, Nice Daemon wrote: The point was that Henning started insulting. If you were truly upset you would have just gone away. Instead, you chose to stay here and troll. You try to sound like a martyr but just come off as an infant. Go cry somewhere else, baby. -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net/
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
* Nice Daemon nicedae...@googlemail.com [2009-08-14 13:08]: The point was that Henning started insulting. I didn't. -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting - Hamburg Amsterdam
Re: Precision about interface address determination in pf.conf(5)
* Olivier Mehani sht...@ssji.net [2009-08-14 14:45]: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 05:31:39PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: I'm suspecting that syntax b (interface)b in pf.conf only resolves to the IPv4 addresses of the interface. wrong. Right, thanks for this terse answer Henning (: I investigated further, and found the cause of my problems to lie in the fact that I was mentionning the address family in the rules. Here are relevant excerpts of my pf.conf ext_if=sis0 ... block all ... pass in on $ext_if proto tcp from any to ($ext_if) \ port ssh flags S/SA keep state did you have an inet in there? otherwise it is the same rule as the one you present as solution below. pass in on $ext_if inet6 proto tcp from any to ($ext_if) \ port ssh flags S/SA keep state The (almost) duplication is due to my previously using a tunnel provided by SixXS, thus having an additional interface only for IPv6. My ISP now provides native IPv6, so I just s/sixxs_if/ext_if/g my configuration file (yes, that's my way of bluntly copying). To solve my problem, I replaced the duplicated rules by a single similar one which does not specify any address family: pass in on $ext_if proto tcp from any to ($ext_if) \ port ssh flags S/SA keep state This now works like a charm. What I don't understand, though, is why it wasn't working with the original set of rules, as they look very similar to me, and I would have expected them to achieve the same behavior, if not as efficiently. What am I missing? from the excerpts you show it is impossible to tell, that should (and I am sure: would) have just worked. the rule is like this: a pf rule applies to both inet and inet6, unless: -it is explictely limited to one af by using the inet/inet6 passwords -from and/or to are explicitely of one address family, i. e. an ip. pass # covers both pass inet # inet only pass inet6 # ipvcrap only pass from (someinterface) # both pass from (someinterface) to 127.0.0.1 # inet only -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting - Hamburg Amsterdam [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
apache1.3 without jail and PHP cannot execute some system binaries..why?
Hello, I have a script that is being called from the web , it invokes the system() function and I try to test running some system commands to see if they are properly invoked. Apache is running without jail (-d) due to special needs. mv and cp do not display any output (this do not execute), while cat and ls do. If I run the script via the command line all of the commands display ouput (even if its the usage help info of each command) . I have tried running the commands with the absolute path, and without. The permissions and ownerhsip for /bin are all the same and are system defaults. What could be wrong? Andres
Re: apache1.3 without jail and PHP cannot execute some system binaries..why?
On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 09:59 -0500, Andres Salazar wrote: Apache is running without jail (-d) due to special needs. You mean -u, right?
Re: apache1.3 without jail and PHP cannot execute some system binaries..why?
At 09:59 AM 8/14/2009 -0500, Andres Salazar wrote: Hello, mv and cp do not display any output (this do not execute), while cat and ls do. Probably because the scripts get launched with the UID/GID of Apache, and you don't have write permission to the directory as that user/group. Test it by runing the script AS the user/group that's running Apache. Lee
Re: apache1.3 without jail and PHP cannot execute some system binaries..why?
Yes, iam sorry typo I meant i disabled chroot with -u i went over the php.ini and there is nothing listed in disable_functions Please advise. thanks
Re: apache1.3 without jail and PHP cannot execute some system binaries..why?
I have also tried using the user www and executing the script.. it works fine.. It just doesnt work via the web. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Andres Salazarndrsslz...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, iam sorry typo I meant i disabled chroot with -u i went over the php.ini and there is nothing listed in disable_functions Please advise. thanks
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Re: apache1.3 without jail and PHP cannot execute some system binaries..why?
ls -la /bin pretty much says that the permissions and ownership are the same for mv, cp, cat, ls I dont think its a permission/ownerhsip issue. Please advise. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:18 AM,# ls -la total 14192 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel1024 Aug 4 11:58 . drwxr-xr-x 14 root wheel 512 Aug 4 11:59 .. -r-xr-xr-x 2 root bin 82636 Aug 4 11:58 [ -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 99020 Aug 4 11:58 cat -r-xr-xr-x 3 root bin180940 Aug 4 11:58 chgrp -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 99020 Aug 4 11:58 chio -r-xr-xr-x 3 root bin180940 Aug 4 11:58 chmod -r-xr-xr-x 5 root bin123596 Aug 4 11:58 cksum -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin111308 Aug 4 11:58 cp -r-xr-xr-x 3 root bin271052 Aug 4 11:58 cpio -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin291532 Aug 4 11:58 csh -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin103116 Aug 4 11:58 date -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 90828 Aug 4 11:58 dd -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 94924 Aug 4 11:58 df -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 82636 Aug 4 11:58 domainname -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 78540 Aug 4 11:58 echo -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin168652 Aug 4 11:58 ed -r-xr-xr-x 2 root bin209612 Aug 4 11:58 eject -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin119500 Aug 4 11:58 expr -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 82636 Aug 4 11:58 hostname -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 82636 Aug 4 11:58 kill -r-xr-xr-x 3 root bin332492 Aug 4 11:58 ksh -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 82636 Aug 4 11:58 ln -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin180940 Aug 4 11:58 ls -r-xr-xr-x 5 root bin123596 Aug 4 11:58 md5 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 99020 Aug 4 11:58 mkdir -r-xr-xr-x 2 root bin209612 Aug 4 11:58 mt -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin164556 Aug 4 11:58 mv -r-xr-xr-x 3 root bin271052 Aug 4 11:58 pax -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin201420 Aug 4 11:58 ps -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 82636 Aug 4 11:58 pwd -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin221900 Aug 4 11:58 rcp -r-xr-xr-x 3 root bin332492 Aug 4 11:58 rksh -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin180940 Aug 4 11:58 rm -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 86732 Aug 4 11:58 rmail -r-xr-xr-x 5 root bin123596 Aug 4 11:58 rmd160 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 99020 Aug 4 11:58 rmdir -r-xr-xr-x 3 root bin332492 Aug 4 11:58 sh -r-xr-xr-x 5 root bin123596 Aug 4 11:58 sha1 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 99020 Aug 4 11:58 sleep -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin115404 Aug 4 11:58 stty -r-xr-xr-x 5 root bin123596 Aug 4 11:58 sum -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 82636 Aug 4 11:58 sync -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin352972 Aug 4 11:58 systrace -r-xr-xr-x 3 root bin271052 Aug 4 11:58 tar -r-xr-xr-x 2 root bin 82636 Aug 4 11:58 test
Re: apache1.3 without jail and PHP cannot execute some system binaries..why?
Set httpd.conf with only 1 process, and execute the .php, then follow the httpd process with a ktrace. 2009/8/14 Andres Salazar ndrsslz...@gmail.com: I have also tried using the user www and executing the script.. it works fine.. It just doesnt work via the web. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Andres Salazarndrsslz...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, iam sorry typo I meant i disabled chroot with -u i went over the php.ini and there is nothing listed in disable_functions Please advise. thanks
Re: apache1.3 without jail and PHP cannot execute some system binaries..why?
At 11:30 AM 8/14/2009 -0500, Andres Salazar wrote: ls -la /bin pretty much says that the permissions and ownership are the same for mv, cp, cat, ls I dont think its a permission/ownerhsip issue. You missed the point - permissions ARE an issue when you're running as www or apache! To change a file in a directory as UID=nobody, you would have to have 777 permissions, which you probably don't (hopefully). TEST the script AS the UID/GID used by httpd - you will find the permission problems. Lee
Re: apache1.3 without jail and PHP cannot execute some system binaries..why?
Hello, On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 09:59:41AM -0500, Andres Salazar wrote: I have a script that is being called from the web , it invokes the system() function and I try to test running some system commands to see if they are properly invoked. mv and cp do not display any output (this do not execute), while cat and ls do. If I run the script via the command line all of the commands display ouput (even if its the usage help info of each command) . Maybe just a stupid thought, but could it be that cp and mv, for some particular reason linked to that setup, output to stderr, while ls and cat output to stdout. That would assume that system() only catches stdout (to be checked), but could be a problem a stream redirection. I just checked and confirmed that usage help and error messages (e.g. in case of right problem) of cp are output on stderr. -- Olivier Mehani sht...@ssji.net PGP fingerprint: 4435 CF6A 7C8D DD9B E2DE F5F9 F012 A6E2 98C6 6655 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
Re: apache1.3 without jail and PHP cannot execute some system binaries..why?
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 01:39:22PM -0300, Gonzalo Lionel Rodriguez wrote: Set httpd.conf with only 1 process, and execute the .php, then follow the httpd process with a ktrace. It's easier to do ktrace -di httpd -X -Otto 2009/8/14 Andres Salazar ndrsslz...@gmail.com: I have also tried using the user www and executing the script.. it works fine.. It just doesnt work via the web. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Andres Salazarndrsslz...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, iam sorry typo I meant i disabled chroot with -u i went over the php.ini and there is nothing listed in disable_functions Please advise. thanks
Re: LaCie
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 13:53 -0300, Marcos Laufer wrote: Hello, has anyone had any experience with LaCie Raid and Storage very Feng shui ~BAS I'm the kind of Mac-using sociopath that looks at an external NAS and asks: 'What kind of RAID array defines me as a person?'
NFS remote mount causes panic when trying to create a directory
I am running a laptop with the August 9th snap. When I am work, I run an NFS mount so that I can remotely mount CDs and directories to some Solaris 10 boxes in our lab. After I ssh to the remote server, I can successfully mount /home on my local box and install software. Yesterday, and again today, I needed to make a directory, and mistakenly attempted to mkdir from the remote machine on the NFS share. This locked up my local box to the point where I had to use the power button to get back up and running. I am able to re-create the issue, and luckily got a hold of a console cable to record the panic: vrele: bad ref count: 0xd696e5e4, type VDIR, use 0, write 0, hold 1, flags (VBIOONFREELIST) tag VT_UFS, ino 6080270, on dev 0, 7 flags 0x0, effnlink 3, nlink 3 mode 040755, owner 0, group 0, size 1024 not locked panic: vrele: ref cnt Stopped at Debugger+0x4: leave RUN AT LEAST 'trace' AND 'ps' AND INCLUDE OUTPUT WHEN REPORTING THIS PANIC! DO NOT EVEN BOTHER REPORTING THIS WITHOUT INCLUDING THAT INFORMATION! ddb trace Debugger(0,d696e5e4,d6a70578,d696e5e4,d6a70578) at Debugger+0x4 panic(d071fb3f,d696e5e4,d6a70578,0,d6965000) at panic+0x55 vrele(d696e5e4,dbf46bec,d6965078,d6a70578) at vrele+0xa2 nfsrv_mkdir(d6965000,d1c85b80,d6a70578,dbf46e2c,1) at nfsrv_mkdir+0x3f8 nfssvc_nfsd(d1aff1e0,34,4,0,d6af12f8) at nfssvc_nfsd+0x21c sys_nfssvc(d6a70578,dbf46f68,dbf46f58,3c00020c,4) at sys_nfssvc+0x17c syscall() at syscall+0x24e --- syscall (number 155) --- 0x1c000cdd: ddb ps PID PPID PGRPUID S FLAGS WAIT COMMAND 13109 1 13109 0 3 0x40180 selectsendmail 15402 30475 15402 0 3 0x4082 selectssh 21533 1 21533 0 3 0x4082 ttyin getty 30990 1 30990 0 3 0x4082 ttyin getty 26367 1 26367 0 3 0x4082 ttyin getty 330 1330 0 3 0x4082 ttyin getty 30475 1 30475 0 3 0x4082 pause ksh 31362 1 31362 0 3 0x4082 ttyin ksh 13440 1 13440 0 30x80 selectcron 14045 1 14045 0 30x80 selectsshd 4021 1 4021 0 3 0x180 selectinetd 23081 26646 26646 0 30x80 nfsd nfsd 2475 26646 26646 0 30x80 nfsd nfsd *24041 26646 26646 0 7 0nfsd 10562 26646 26646 0 30x80 nfsd nfsd 26646 1 26646 0 30x80 netconnfsd 3116 1 3116 0 30x80 selectmountd 15609 12667 12667 74 3 0x180 bpf pflogd 17305 1 17305 28 3 0x180 poll portmap 12667 1 12667 0 30x80 netio pflogd 3261 5481 5481 73 2 0x180syslogd 5481 1 5481 0 30x88 netio syslogd 17 0 0 0 30x100200 bored crypto 16 0 0 0 30x100200 aiodoned aiodoned 15 0 0 0 20x100200update 14 0 0 0 30x100200 cleaner cleaner 13 0 0 0 30x100200 reaperreaper 12 0 0 0 30x100200 pgdaemon pagedaemon 11 0 0 0 30x100200 pftm pfpurge 10 0 0 0 30x100200 usbevtusb3 9 0 0 0 30x100200 usbevtusb2 8 0 0 0 30x100200 usbevtusb1 7 0 0 0 30x100200 usbtskusbtask 6 0 0 0 30x100200 usbevtusb0 5 0 0 0 30x100200 acpi_idle acpi0 4 0 0 0 30x100200 bored syswq 3 0 0 0 3 0x40100200idle0 2 0 0 0 30x100200 kmalloc kmthread 1 0 1 0 3 0x4080 wait init 0 -1 0 0 3 0x80200 scheduler swapper ddb Here is a copy of my /etc/exports: # See exports(5) for more information. Be very careful: misconfiguration # of this file can result in your filesystems being readable by the world. /cdrom -alldirs -ro -network=10.10.11 -mask=255.255.255.0 /cdrom -alldirs -ro -network=10.20.11 -mask=255.255.255.0 /home -alldirs -ro -network=10.10.11 -mask=255.255.255.0 /home -alldirs -ro -network=10.20.11 -mask=255.255.255.0 My best guess is that since they are not mounted read/write, that NFS is crashing. The other issue might be that Solaris 10 is trying to force the issue, and OpenBSD isn't having any of it. I thought I'd report it since it shouldn't panic just to tell me that I'm an idiot for trying to create a
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VoIP
Hello! i am starting to learn VoIP reading a book on such regards. I wonder if it is possible so implement VoIP with OpenBSD? What are the available pci telephony cards ? Thanks in advance.
Re: aucat: dividing signal strengths of inputs?
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:52:28AM +0200, Jan Stary wrote: First off, thanks to alex@ for all the work being put into aucat. OpenBSD 4.5 is the first operating system where I can easily do multitrack recording in base. My situation is this: aucat -l is running, and I play two different copies of an album in two mplayers: a ripped vinyl and a CD reissue, pausing one and the other, listening to the difference. In the moment I paused the first mplayer and launched the second one, I noticed that the signal is much weaker. First, I took that to be one of the differences in the two versions, but then, when I decided which one sounded better and quit the other mplayer, the signal got stronger again. Does aucat somehow 'divide' the signal strengths when playing multiple inputs (even when some are paused)? Similarly to sox(1) mixing files? yes, by default aucat divides the dynamic range (ie the strenght) by the number of streams, which means that when a new stream is added (even if it plays silence) dynamic ranges of other streams are reduced. Similarly when a stream is terminated, its dynamic range is given to other streams. Trying the same with more than two clients (such as, five paused mplayers and one playing, then quiting the paused ones; doesn't need to be mplayer, happens with any other client) seems to confirm this, but I didn't find anything about it in aucat(1). What is the relation of 'aucat -v' to this? the -v option can be used to ``reserve'' a part of the dynamic range for future streams, so that dynamic ranges of existing streams don't have to be reduced when new streams are added. reducing the volume by 18 units doubles the number of streams that fit in the output dynamic range, but adds ~6dB attenuation per stream, example: -v 127 - 1 stream (default) -v 109 - 2 streams -v 91 - 4 streams -v 73 - 8 streams ... -- Alexandre
Re: Bind ntpd on certain interface?
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:08 -0600, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: The point is that you are a crybaby. and he can't follow simple instructions.
Re: VoIP
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Friedrich Locke friedrich.lo...@gmail.comwrote: Hello! i am starting to learn VoIP reading a book on such regards. I wonder if it is possible so implement VoIP with OpenBSD? It would be lovely to have a FreeSWITCH port for OpenBSD or at least be able to get it compiled on OpenBSD.
Re: VoIP
On 2009-08-14, Friedrich Locke friedrich.lo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! i am starting to learn VoIP reading a book on such regards. I wonder if it is possible so implement VoIP with OpenBSD? yes, we have a few relevant ports, mostly under /usr/ports/telephony but some others. starting points from ports/packages in no particular order: gnugk, asterisk, openh323, kamailio, ekiga, pjsua, telepathy, ... What are the available pci telephony cards ? afaik none are supported under OpenBSD, you'll need to use some other gateway device, either your own (there are plenty of SIP/POTS or SIP/ISDN gateways that work fine) or that of an external service provider. On 2009-08-14, Luis F Urrea lfur...@gmail.com wrote: It would be lovely to have a FreeSWITCH port for OpenBSD or at least be able to get it compiled on OpenBSD. it's not a very clean codebase for use as a port (loads of third-party libraries in the source distribution or pulled in by wget and there's not an easy way to use external copies of these, i.e. those ones from packages which we'd prefer to use). there's a WIP port passed around amalgamating a couple of people's work, but imho there's still quite a bit to be done.
Child Foundation News - Children of Prision
Dear Friend, This month we are pleased to share stories from the lives of children in Afghanistan and Iran with you. Each and every gift that you send, whether it is $20 or more, makes an impact in the life of a child and we hope that it will enrich your life as well. If you choose to become a sponsor, you will find it very rewarding. You may develop a relationship with your sponsored child, exchange letters, photos or send gifts. Every six months, sponsors receive an update on their child's progress. Sponsors may even travel to meet their child in his or her native country and see how their contribution has helped their child firsthand. As President Barack Obama said, There is nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our character than to give our all. Learn more about sponsorship A Letter From Afghanistan The following heartfelt letter was recently sent from a nine year old Afghan boy to his sponsor, after he heard the news about her current health problems. Despite his own hardships. he is grateful to his sponsor for helping him and he fondly thinks of her as a mother. Dear Mother, I send a warm greeting to you from the bottom of my heart. I pray that you become healthy as soon as possible. When I heard about your illness, I became so sad. I felt as if my own mother is sick. In fact, you did everything a mother could do. God help you as you helped me. I feel so sad because I couldn't come to see you. So, I sent a letter with a scarf for you. I hope you like it. Sincerely, Gholamali Children of Prision Visit Day Camp On June 7, 2009, Child Foundation hosted a lunch and day camp event for several children age 7 and under that live in jail with their mothers in Iran. The children were accompanied by officers of the women's ward to spend the afternoon at the Mo'allem Educational Camp near the city of Urumia. These children live with their mothers in jail because their fathers have died, disappeared or have been imprisioned, and also because there are no potential guardians to take care of them. One of the kids was a three year old boy who had grown up in the prision area. The sight of the world outside the prision astounded him as he stepped out and boarded the minibus. Looking through the window of the bus, he watched the street filled with people and cars in such amazement that he would not respond to repeated calls. As soon as the bus pulled up to the camp, two of the children lept off the bus and started running around the lawn. At the camp, the children played games, listened to stories and participated in a competition to win prizes. Next, it was lunch time which included steamed rice with broiled chicken, relish, fresh fruits, and chocolate. The children loved their meals. When the lunch was being served, one of the girls put a dish behind her back and said I'll take this meal to my mother which touched us deeply. Following the lunch, packages of meals and fresh fruits were distributed to the children. In the late afternoon, the children enjoyed face painting. All of the children were in high spirits after having spent the day playing at the camp. By 4:00 pm when it was time to leave, the children had jumped around so much that they fell asleep soon after they boarded the bus. Child Foundation Donates to Local Charities On August 1, 2009, Child Foundation presented two $1,000 donation checks at the Iranian Festival in Portland, OR to local organizations Minds Matter and Friends of Children. Both of these organizations are committed to supporting children's education in the Portland area. Child Foundation Sponsors GirlStrength Event On July 25, 2009, Child Foundation was a sponsor for the GirlStrength program event in Portland, OR. GirlStrength is a new program offered through the Portland Police Bureau that empowers girls to be strong and confident through self-defense and safety training. Did You Know? Did you know that your $100 donation to a child could become $200 without any additional cost to you? Many companies match the generosity of their employees with their own donation. Companies such as Microsoft, AtT, and Google have chosen to donate to Child Foundation. If your company has a matching gift program, it is easy to start increasing your gift. Learn more about matching gift funds. Volunteers Needed Are you interested in becoming a volunteer? Volunteering is a great way to serve children in need. Child Foundation volunteers are eligible to earn a Presidential Service Award. Learn more about volunteering. We have duties to ourselves, our nation and the world, duties that we do not grudgingly accept, but rather seize gladly firm in the knowledge that there is nothing so satisfying to the spirit than to give our all. -President Barack Obama ***A MEMORIAL FUND FOR MR. ABDOLKARIM MOSTOWFI*** Child Foundation dedicated a memorial fund to Mr. Abdolkarim Mostowfi, a longtime supporter. Thanks to the
