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I have used ConnectBot occasionally on an Xperia Neo. The screen is very small and ConnectBot works best in portrait mode making the characters even smaller. But it works. I just downloaded PaderSync SSH Trial and I think I will buy the full version. It has a semi transparent keyboard with easy access to Ctrl, Alt, etc keys (in contrast to ConnectBot) and works in landscape mode giving larger characters. So it feels a few notches more usable than ConnectBot (after 5 minutes of using, on a small screen, without hardware keyboard, ...). It also claims to do scp... / Raimo On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 06:21:01PM -0600, Nick Templeton wrote: I use ConnectBot to SSH into servers on my Google/Samsung Nexus S 4G running CyanogenMod with the Hacker's Keyboard. It works great in a pinch, but I wouldn't want to spend all day using it to admin a server. -Nick On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Marcos Ariel Laufer mar...@ipversion4.com wrote: Hello list, This might not be OpenBSD specific, but maybe users can share their experiences with smartphones an managing OpenBSD servers. So far, my smartphone has been a very usefull tool to manage my OpenBSD servers. Currently i am using a Palm Treo 680 with some lousy ssh application to access my servers, it is usefull, but this is getting pretty ancient, doesn't have wifi for exaple, and i would like that feature on a smartphone. I also love the touch screen. What newer smartphones do you recommend for using also as a tool for managing OpenBSD servers (maybe windogs too) ? What experiences had you had with smartphones and OpenBSD managing? Best regards, Marcos -- / Raimo Niskanen, Erlang/OTP, Ericsson AB
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On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:09:51AM +0100, Raimo Niskanen wrote: : I just downloaded PaderSync SSH Trial and I think I will buy the : keyboard, ...). It also claims to do scp... Sorry, sftp, not scp. / Raimo : -- / Raimo Niskanen, Erlang/OTP, Ericsson AB
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I just downloaded PaderSync SSH Trial and I think I will buy the full version. I got it before it was a paid app whilst still in testing. It seems very good and handles large keys well enough. The only objection I've got is the menus and dialogs can be a bit wordy but it does seem to work fine. It has a semi transparent keyboard with easy access to Ctrl, Alt, etc keys (in contrast to ConnectBot) and works in landscape mode giving larger characters. BlackBerrys have a physical keyboard so we've got to use the transparent onscreen kb just for bits like control and alt keys (emacs is fun on a BB) keyboard, ...). It also claims to do scp... yeah sftp telnet and maybe smb. an nfs client would be grand.
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:23:33 +0100 Raimo Niskanen wrote: Sorry, sftp, When I looked, I couldn't find an open source sftp for Android but andftp works well. I'm very careful with what I let the almost constantly full of exploits phone have access to (a network being as strong as it's weakest link). For routine daily changes to a web pages price whilst out, I use a dedicated empty chroot that the server then picks up files from, checking them before use. -- Kc
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Kevin Chadwick [ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk] wrote: I'm very careful with what I let the almost constantly full of exploits phone have access to (a network being as strong as it's weakest link). There were rumors in the last 20 years of firmware being loaded on phones to provide an anonymous, remote tap point for and by various sophisticated individuals. Now Google brings it to everyone, no sophistication required :)
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Nokia 5230 Software 51.0.002 SSH client: PuTTY for Symbian OS http://s2putty.sourceforge.net/ http://s2putty.sourceforge.net/download.html putty_s60v3_1.5.2.zip putty_s60v3_1.5.2.sisx no fun but works. Mode: Input a line, send. bye, Marcus h...@osvaldobarrera.com.ar (Hugo Osvaldo Barrera), 2012.02.20 (Mon) 06:00 (CET): On 2012-02-18 20:06, Marcos Ariel Laufer wrote: Hello list, This might not be OpenBSD specific, but maybe users can share their experiences with smartphones an managing OpenBSD servers. So far, my smartphone has been a very usefull tool to manage my OpenBSD servers. Currently i am using a Palm Treo 680 with some lousy ssh application to access my servers, it is usefull, but this is getting pretty ancient, doesn't have wifi for exaple, and i would like that feature on a smartphone. I also love the touch screen. What newer smartphones do you recommend for using also as a tool for managing OpenBSD servers (maybe windogs too) ? What experiences had you had with smartphones and OpenBSD managing? Best regards, Marcos I use a Nokia N900 for this. It's a real GNU/Linux, so you you get ssh out-of-the-box, and there's other stuff you might occasionally use (like rsync). It also has a pretty good hardware keyboard, which I feel is a must in order to use ssh comfortably, and makes the real difference. I log into OpenBSD servers on a daily basis (well, just two servers actually), and it's pretty good. -- Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
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I've worked with several different OS and phone brands (Nokia/Symbian, iPhone, HTC/Android). The one I feel more comfortable is the Nokia N900 it runs Maemo 5, is a Debian like Linux, you can use it as a normal Linux machine. Maybe another phones running Maemo could bring a similar experience. The cons... I Really don't know if Nokia is going to continue supporting Maemo. Good Luck! On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:13 AM, MERIGHI Marcus mcmer-open...@tor.at wrote: Nokia 5230 Software 51.0.002 SSH client: PuTTY for Symbian OS http://s2putty.sourceforge.net/ http://s2putty.sourceforge.net/download.html putty_s60v3_1.5.2.zip putty_s60v3_1.5.2.sisx no fun but works. Mode: Input a line, send. bye, Marcus h...@osvaldobarrera.com.ar (Hugo Osvaldo Barrera), 2012.02.20 (Mon) 06:00 (CET): On 2012-02-18 20:06, Marcos Ariel Laufer wrote: Hello list, This might not be OpenBSD specific, but maybe users can share their experiences with smartphones an managing OpenBSD servers. So far, my smartphone has been a very usefull tool to manage my OpenBSD servers. Currently i am using a Palm Treo 680 with some lousy ssh application to access my servers, it is usefull, but this is getting pretty ancient, doesn't have wifi for exaple, and i would like that feature on a smartphone. I also love the touch screen. What newer smartphones do you recommend for using also as a tool for managing OpenBSD servers (maybe windogs too) ? What experiences had you had with smartphones and OpenBSD managing? Best regards, Marcos I use a Nokia N900 for this. It's a real GNU/Linux, so you you get ssh out-of-the-box, and there's other stuff you might occasionally use (like rsync). It also has a pretty good hardware keyboard, which I feel is a must in order to use ssh comfortably, and makes the real difference. I log into OpenBSD servers on a daily basis (well, just two servers actually), and it's pretty good. -- Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
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On Feb 20 10:19:48, Daniel mora wrote: I've worked with several different OS and phone brands (Nokia/Symbian, iPhone, HTC/Android). The one I feel more comfortable is the Nokia N900 it runs Maemo 5, is a Debian like Linux, you can use it as a normal Linux machine. Maybe another phones running Maemo could bring a similar experience. The cons... I Really don't know if Nokia is going to continue supporting Maemo. Correction: I Really don't know if Nokia is going to continue
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On Feb 20, 2012, at 8:49, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote: On Feb 20 10:19:48, Daniel mora wrote: I've worked with several different OS and phone brands (Nokia/Symbian, iPhone, HTC/Android). The one I feel more comfortable is the Nokia N900 it runs Maemo 5, is a Debian like Linux, you can use it as a normal Linux machine. Maybe another phones running Maemo could bring a similar experience. The cons... I Really don't know if Nokia is going to continue supporting Maemo. Correction: I Really don't know if Nokia is going to continue Nokia already said they'd kill Maemo and Symbian. I've heard the n900 has some stability issues. Any truth to this?
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With custom kernel settings (Swappolube) at least for me Yes -- Phantom reboots. Sorry Jan my mistake. I Really don't know if Nokia is going to continue Another issue is the No Sim Card Inserted, some people fix this with a piece of paper between the slider and the Sim card. Or if under warranty you can get a new one. I hope this helps... On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Johan Beisser j...@caustic.org wrote: On Feb 20, 2012, at 8:49, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote: On Feb 20 10:19:48, Daniel mora wrote: I've worked with several different OS and phone brands (Nokia/Symbian, iPhone, HTC/Android). The one I feel more comfortable is the Nokia N900 it runs Maemo 5, is a Debian like Linux, you can use it as a normal Linux machine. Maybe another phones running Maemo could bring a similar experience. The cons... I Really don't know if Nokia is going to continue supporting Maemo. Correction: I Really don't know if Nokia is going to continue Nokia already said they'd kill Maemo and Symbian. I've heard the n900 has some stability issues. Any truth to this?
Re: smartphones and managing openbsd servers
I use ConnectBot to SSH into servers on my Google/Samsung Nexus S 4G running CyanogenMod with the Hacker's Keyboard. It works great in a pinch, but I wouldn't want to spend all day using it to admin a server. -Nick On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Marcos Ariel Laufer mar...@ipversion4.com wrote: Hello list, This might not be OpenBSD specific, but maybe users can share their experiences with smartphones an managing OpenBSD servers. So far, my smartphone has been a very usefull tool to manage my OpenBSD servers. Currently i am using a Palm Treo 680 with some lousy ssh application to access my servers, it is usefull, but this is getting pretty ancient, doesn't have wifi for exaple, and i would like that feature on a smartphone. I also love the touch screen. What newer smartphones do you recommend for using also as a tool for managing OpenBSD servers (maybe windogs too) ? What experiences had you had with smartphones and OpenBSD managing? Best regards, Marcos
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Hello Marcos, What newer smartphones do you recommend for using also as a tool for managing OpenBSD servers (maybe windogs too) ? What experiences had you had with smartphones and OpenBSD managing? I use iSSH on an iPhone. But only in an emergency when I don't have anything else. I wouldn't make regular use of it. (ie, twice in the last year) Luke
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What newer smartphones do you recommend for using also as a tool for managing OpenBSD servers (maybe windogs too) ? What experiences had you had with smartphones and OpenBSD managing? BlackBerry has built in VPN and you can also buy a few different SSH and SFTP apps.
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On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Luke Tymowski l...@veldt.ca wrote: I use iSSH on an iPhone. But only in an emergency when I don't have anything else. I wouldn't make regular use of it. (ie, twice in the last year) I've grown to like Panic's Prompt, and found it does really well with tmux, etc as well. On the iPad, it's almost a pleasure to use. It works really well off of the iPhone as well. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/prompt/id421507115?mt=8
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On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Anonymous cri...@ecn.org wrote: BlackBerry has built in VPN and you can also buy a few different SSH and SFTP apps. If you're cheap, there's also BBSSH. While it's not perfect, it is under active -if slow- development. As of November 2011, the developer claims there's an scp client coming as well. When I still had a Blackberry, I pretty actively used the app for emergency work. My only real complaint was the small type. http://bbssh.org/
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I often use successfully Irris connect to access my BSD's boxes on android smartphones it is easy to use, even with the virtual keyboard. From: Johan Beisser j...@caustic.org Sent: Sun Feb 19 21:49:54 CET 2012 To: Luke Tymowski l...@veldt.ca Subject: Re: smartphones and managing openbsd servers On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Luke Tymowski l...@veldt.ca wrote: I use iSSH on an iPhone. But only in an emergency when I don't have anything else. I wouldn't make regular use of it. (ie, twice in the last year) I've grown to like Panic's Prompt, and found it does really well with tmux, etc as well. On the iPad, it's almost a pleasure to use. It works really well off of the iPhone as well. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/prompt/id421507115?mt=8 Cordialement Francois Pussault 3701 - 8 rue Marcel Pagnol 31100 ToulouseB FranceB +33 6 17 230 820 B +33 5 34 365 269 fpussa...@contactoffice.fr
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HTC Desire Z (physical qwerty keyboard) with CyanogenMod. Dropbear is the standard ssh client in cm 7, works good. //Johan Ryberg Den 19 feb 2012 18:14 skrev Anonymous cri...@ecn.org: What newer smartphones do you recommend for using also as a tool for managing OpenBSD servers (maybe windogs too) ? What experiences had you had with smartphones and OpenBSD managing? BlackBerry has built in VPN and you can also buy a few different SSH and SFTP apps.
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On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Marcos Ariel Laufer mar...@ipversion4.com wrote: What newer smartphones do you recommend for using also as a tool for managing OpenBSD servers (maybe windogs too) ? What experiences had you had with smartphones and OpenBSD managing? Your experience really depends on a few things: the phone network's bandwidth, CPU speed, and the ability to read the returned output without strain. Everything else is just extras and features. Bandwidth and lag can make your session unusable. Almost all modern smartphones have WiFi capability built in, which helps reduce your data rate during the SSH session, and decreases lag. That throughput will also make a big difference in receiving data from the server. In my experience if there's any amount of retransmission happening due to packet loss, the clients hang up abruptly. So, ideally, the client will emulate a modern terminal well enough to use tmux or screen really well. Most modern phones have more than enough CPU power to handle SSH. The problem is that few have the ability to offload the crypto from the CPU, and so SSH chews up already precious battery time. To help offset typing lag some clients permit you to queue a longer string to send to the session. The advantage of this is that fewer packets are sent, and the block of data can be sent out as (hopefully) a single chunk. I believe some Android Market clients support this feature, and I know at least one SSH client on blackberry has it, and at least two of the clients on iOS (iPhone/iPad) have the ability to assign shortcuts. Phone form-factor is a major issue you should consider. I know a few people who regularly use their phones for SSH, and are unwilling to up a physical keyboard. Slider and flip configurations permit you to use most of the screen real estate for your session, but the overall market is moving toward the touchscreen candybar configuration. Because of this, the SSH client has to be able to either 'shadow' the keyboard, allowing you to look through it, or permit you to hide the keyboard and read scrollback easily. As far as what's superior? None of them are really any better than the others. What works for you will matter more. Most modern smartphones are roughly the same, just with a different level of hype or features people want.* - jb * although, I'll be damned if I could find a GSM/LTE, CDMA and wifi capable Android phone with a physical keyboard that didn't utterly suck. I settled on an iPhone 4s, with a decent SSH client.
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On 2012-02-19 22.33, Johan Beisser wrote: On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Marcos Ariel Laufer mar...@ipversion4.com wrote: What newer smartphones do you recommend for using also as a tool for managing OpenBSD servers (maybe windogs too) ? What experiences had you had with smartphones and OpenBSD managing? snip Phone form-factor is a major issue you should consider. I know a few people who regularly use their phones for SSH, and are unwilling to up a physical keyboard. Slider and flip configurations permit you to use most of the screen real estate for your session, but the overall market is moving toward the touchscreen candybar configuration. Because of this, the SSH client has to be able to either 'shadow' the keyboard, allowing you to look through it, or permit you to hide the keyboard and read scrollback easily. As far as what's superior? None of them are really any better than the others. What works for you will matter more. Most modern smartphones are roughly the same, just with a different level of hype or features people want.* - jb * although, I'll be damned if I could find a GSM/LTE, CDMA and wifi capable Android phone with a physical keyboard that didn't utterly suck. I settled on an iPhone 4s, with a decent SSH client. I'm also using an iPhone 4S and have tried a couple of ssh clients: * SSH2GO is basically crap. Crashes on connect to some servers, works decently with others but random crashes are to be expected, whenever you need them the least (which is always). * Prompt from Panic, Inc is really good on the other hand. Works well, seems stable, has good emulation, is mostly intuitive to use and has sane defaults. Works even better on an iPad, of course. But the best part is, I also bought a small, portable Bluetooth keyboard, similar in size to the 4S. Bought it on a whim, but it turned out to be an excellent piece of hardware: http://www.zoweetek.com/product_show.asp?id=381 (Though mine's got swedish layout.) Works perfectly with the iPhone out of the box, and changes the task of running an ssh client from only-in-absolute-emergencies to being almost a pleasure. It's always in the inner pocket of my jacket now, just in case. The keyboard makes all the difference, and I now rarely feel the need to carry a laptop when I'm away from the office, because I can always get to - and use - a shell from anywhere. When the phone detects that I've turned on the keyboard, it automatically removes the screen keyboard, and the resulting screen real estate becomes fairly decent (in landscape mode). Unfortunately that particular model keyboard is said not to work with Android, at least without 3rd party drivers. Can't comment on that though, since I don't have access to any Android devices. Regards, /Benny -- internetlabbet.se / work: +46 8 551 124 80 / Words must Benny Lofgren/ mobile: +46 70 718 11 90 / be weighed, / fax:+46 8 551 124 89/not counted. /email: benny -at- internetlabbet.se
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On 2012-02-18 20:06, Marcos Ariel Laufer wrote: Hello list, This might not be OpenBSD specific, but maybe users can share their experiences with smartphones an managing OpenBSD servers. So far, my smartphone has been a very usefull tool to manage my OpenBSD servers. Currently i am using a Palm Treo 680 with some lousy ssh application to access my servers, it is usefull, but this is getting pretty ancient, doesn't have wifi for exaple, and i would like that feature on a smartphone. I also love the touch screen. What newer smartphones do you recommend for using also as a tool for managing OpenBSD servers (maybe windogs too) ? What experiences had you had with smartphones and OpenBSD managing? Best regards, Marcos I use a Nokia N900 for this. It's a real GNU/Linux, so you you get ssh out-of-the-box, and there's other stuff you might occasionally use (like rsync). It also has a pretty good hardware keyboard, which I feel is a must in order to use ssh comfortably, and makes the real difference. I log into OpenBSD servers on a daily basis (well, just two servers actually), and it's pretty good. -- Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
smartphones and managing openbsd servers
Hello list, This might not be OpenBSD specific, but maybe users can share their experiences with smartphones an managing OpenBSD servers. So far, my smartphone has been a very usefull tool to manage my OpenBSD servers. Currently i am using a Palm Treo 680 with some lousy ssh application to access my servers, it is usefull, but this is getting pretty ancient, doesn't have wifi for exaple, and i would like that feature on a smartphone. I also love the touch screen. What newer smartphones do you recommend for using also as a tool for managing OpenBSD servers (maybe windogs too) ? What experiences had you had with smartphones and OpenBSD managing? Best regards, Marcos
